The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer : WETA : October 19, 2009 7:00pm-8:00pm EDT; The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer

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>> Lehrer: GOOD EVENING. I'M JIM LEHRER. ON THE NEWSHOUR THIS MDAY, THE LEAD STO: AN OFFICIAL DECLARATION OF TAINTEDALLOTS IN THEFGHAN ELECTIONS. MAARET WARNER REPORTS. THEN, TER THE OTHER NEWS OF THE DAY, JUDY WOODRUFFOOKS AT PAKISTAN'S OFFENSIVE AGAST INSURGENTS; HEIDI CULLEN REPTS ON SCITISTS IN GREENLAND TRING GLOBAL WARMING MORE THAN 100,0 YEARS AGO.

>> WHAT YOU SEE RE IS A PIECE ICE FROM THE CMATE CHANGE BETWEEN THE LAST GLACIER ANTHE PRESENT CLIMATE. IT CONTAINS A LOT O TINY BUBBLES FROM THE AGED ATMOSPHERE

>> >> Lehrer: RAY SUAREZ INTEIEWS THE SPECIAL ENVOY TOUDAN ABOUT U.S. POLICY SHIFT. EOPLE IN DARFUR CONTINUE TO LIVE IN CONDITIONS AT ARE DIRE AND UCCEPTABLE. WE MUSWORK EVERY DAY TO CHANGE THOSE CONDITIONS ON T GROUND.

>> Lehrer: ANDEFFREY BROWN LOOKS AT T SPAT BETWEEN TH WHITE HOUSE AND X NEWS. MAR FUNDING FOR THE NEWSHOUR WITH JIM LEHRER IS PVIDED BY:

>> WHATHE WORLD NEEDS NOW IS ENERGY. THE ENERGY TO GET THECONOMY HUMMING AGAIN. THE ENERGY TO TACKLE CLLENGES LIKE CLITE CHANGE. WHAT ITHAT ENERGY CAME FROM AN ENERGY COMPANY? EVERY DAY, CVRON INVESTS $62 MILLION INEOPLE, IN IDEAS-- SEEKING, TEACHING, BUILDIN FUELING GROWTH AROUND THE RLD TO MOVE US A AHEAD. THIS IS THE WER OF HUMAN ENER. CHEVRO AND WITHHE ONGOING SUPPORT OF THESE INSTITUTIONS AND FOUNDATIONS. AND... THIS PROGRAM W MADE POSSIBLE BYHE CORPORATION FOR PUBLIC BROADCASTING. AND BY CONTRIBUTIONS TO YO PBS STATION FROMIEWERS LIKE YOU. ANK YOU. >>ehrer: INVESTIGATORS TODAY CONFIRMED AFGHANISTAN'S PRESIDENTI ELECTION WAS RIFE WITH FRAUD. THE FIINGS BY A U.N.-BACKED GROUP COULD FOE A RUNOFF, BUT IT WAS UNCLEAR PRESINT KARZAI WOULD GO ALONG. IT W EQUALLY UNCLEAR HOW THE CONFUSION WILL AECT U.S. POLICY. MARGARETARNER HAS OUR LEAD STORY REPORT. IN AUDITY THE ECTORAL COMPLAINTS COMMISSIONECLARED THAT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS VOTES FOR PREDENT KARZAI WERE TAINTED D MUST BE THROWN OUT.

>> THE COMPLAINTS WERE PUT FORWARD FOR A REAS BECAUSE OPLE BELIEVED IRREGULITIES TOOK PCE. AND IN THE AUDIT AND REUNT DID FIND NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OFFRAUD. WHAT I PROVED TO US THAT OUR INSTINCT, THE INTUION BASED ON THO INITIAL INVESTATIONS PROVED TRUE.

>> Warne AN INDEPENDENT ELECON MONITORING GROUP, DEMOCRACY INTERNATNAL, CALCULAT THAT THEUDIT FINDINGS WOULD PUSH PRESIDENT KARZAI BELOW THE 50% MARK. THAT WOULD SET UP A RUN-OFF BETWEEN KARZAI AND SECOND-PCE FINISHER A DULL A, A FORMER FOREIGN MINIER. GOT JUST OER31% IT WAS ESMATED BY THE AGENCY. T A NEW VOTE WAS FAR FROM CERTAIN. THE INDEPENDENT ELECTION COMMISSION AN AHAN BODY DID NOT SAY IF ITILL ACCEPT E AUDIT COMMISSION'SEPORT AND ORDER A RUN-OFF. KARZAI DID NOT SPEAK PUBLICL BUHE REPORTED WAS QUESTIONINABOUT THE FRNESS OF THE VOTE AUDIT. HIS CAMPAIGN SPOKMAN INSISTED IT'S TOO SOON TO ME ANY DECISIO BASED ON THE FRAUD FINDINGS.

>> WHAT HAS BEEN PUBLISHEDS A RESULT DS NOT GI ANY INDICATION OF WH IMPACT THIS IS GNG TO HAVE ON THE RESUS OF THE ELECTION. SO WE'REN NO POTION TO REACT TO A PIECE OF COMEX, COMPLICATED INFORMATION. >>arner: A SPOKEAN FOR DULLAH, ABDULH SAID THERE MUST BE ARUN ON. ON NATNAL PUBLIC RADIO TH CANDIDATE MSELF LEFT OPEN THE DOOR TO JOINING UNITY GOVERNMENT WITH KARZAI.

>> IILL G NOT INTOHE DETAILS OF IT BEFO I VE THE MANDATE FROM THE PEOE. THIS LOOKS LIKE THE LAST CHANCE F AFGHANISTAN. IF WE CANNOT GET IT RIGHT, THEN THEEOPLE OF AFGHANISTAN WILL BE DISPOINTED. OUR FRIENDS OUND THE WORLD WILL BE DISAPPOINTED.

>> Warner:ESOLVING THE AFGHAN ELECTIOIS IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTA IN WASHINGTON AS PRESENT OBAMA CONSIDERS SENDING MORE TROOPS. ON SUNDAY WHE HOUSE CHF OF STAF RM EMANUEL SAID IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIB TO MA THATECISION UNTIL IT'S CLEAR THERE IS IS A CREDIBLE AFGHAN GOVERNMENT TO BE A U.S. PARTNER. SECRETARY OF STATE HILLARY CLINTON, WHO HASPOKEN TO PRESIDENT KARZAI AND ABDULLAH BY PHONE, SAID SHE EXCTS KARZAITO PBLICLY ANNOUNCE S INTENTIONS TOMORROW

>> WE VE CONTINUED TO UR THAT EVERYONE FOLLOW THE CONSTITUON AND THE LEGAL OCESS WHICH IS IMPORTANT FOR THE PEOPLE OF AFGHANISN AND THEIR LEADERSTOXEMPLIFY A COMMITMENT TO THE ORRLY RUNNING OFLECTIONS GOING FORWARD. I AM VERYOPEFUL THAT WE WILL SEE A RESOLUTION IN LINE WITH THE CONSTITUONAL ORDERIN THNEXT SEVERALAYS.

>> Warner: TO HELP MAKE THAT POINT BEHI THE SCENES, SENAR JOHN KERRY MADEN PLANNED RETURN TO AFGHANISTAN TODAY FROM PAKISTAN. KERRY HAD BEN IN KABUL YESTERDAY ALONG WIT OTHER INTERNATIONAL ENVOYS URGING KARZAI TO ACCEPT THE AUDIT FINDINGS

>> WE HAVE TOOUCH AT STAKE HERE. OUR OOPS ARE ON THE LINE WE HAVE PEOPLE IN HARM'S WAY IN TS COUNTRY. AND THEY'RE MAKING GREAT SACRIFICES WE HE A RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE CTAIN THAT THE GOVERNMENT HERE IS AULL PARTR IN OUR EFFORTS BE ABLE TO BE AS EFFECVE AS WE CAN BE. >>arner: IF THERE IS AUN-OFF AFGHAN AND U.N. OFFICIA SAY IT WOULD HAVE TO BE HELDY EAY NOVEMBER BEFORE THE HAH AFGHAN WINTER SETS IN. BUT GIVEN TH SECURITY AND LOGISTIC ISSUES INVOED IT REMAINS UNCLEAR I A NEW AND MOREREDIBLE VOTE CAN B ORGANID TT QUICKLY.

>> Lehrer: WE HAVE AN TERVIEW WITH AN

>> Lehrer: WE HAVE AN TERVIEW WITH AN GHAN ELECTION COMPLAINTS COMMIIONER ABOUT THE RECOUNT. THAT'S ON OUR WEB SITE newshour.pbs.org. Vt

>> Lehrer: IN OTHER NE TODAY, THE HEAD OF IRAN'S POWERFU REVOTIONARY GUARD SERVED A NOTICE. HE PROMISED A "CRUING RESPONSE" TER A BOMBING THAT LLED FIVE TOP COMMANDERS. 37 OTHERS DI IN THE SUICIDE TACK ON SUNDAY. IT HIT THE COMMANDS AS THEY VISITED DISTRICT NEAR THE PAKISTANI BORDER. A SUNNI MUSLIM GROUPPPOSED TO IRAN'S SITE RULERS CLAIMED RESPONSIBILITY. THE REVOLUTIONARY GUARD'S COMMANDING GENERAL SAITHE GROUHAD HELP FROM THE U.S. AND OTHERS.

>> TODAY EDENCE WAS SUBMITTED BY ONE OTHE COUNTRY'S INTEIGENCE ORGANIZATIS SHOWING THAT THE MILITIA'S GROUP IS DIRECTLY LINKED TO TH INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES OFMERICA AND BRITAIN AND UNFORTUNATELY TH INTELLIGENCE AGENCIE PAKISTAN. E BOMBER IS UNDER THEIR SUPPORAND UNDOUBTEDLY OPERATIONS HE CARES OUT AR UNDER EIR ORDER AND PLANNING. >>ehrer: THE U.S., BRITAIN, AND PAKIST ALL CONDEMNED THE BOMBING AND DEED ANY INVOLVEMEN NUCLR TALKS WITH IRAN CONVENED VIENNA, AUSTRIA, TODAY. THE HEAD OF E U.N. NUCLEAR AGENCY, MOHAMM EL BARADEI, SAID THE INITIAL MEENG WENT WELL AND WOULD CONTINUE TOMORROW. OFFICIALS FROM IN, THE U.S., FRANCE, AND RUSSIA WERIN ATTENDANCE. EARLIER, IRAN'S STATRUN TV SAID THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIWILL NOT GIVE UP S STOCK OF ENRICH URANIUM. FEDERAL PROSECUTORS THE U.S. WILL NO LONGER GAFTER PEOPLE WHO COMPLYITH STATE LAWS ON MEDIL USE OF MARIJUANA. THE AMA ADNISTRATION FORMALLY SPELLED OUT THE POLY TODAY. IT'S A BREAK WH THE BUSH-ERA POLICY OF ENFORCING DERAL LAWS AGAINST POT, REGARDLESOF STATE STATUTES 14TATES CURRENTLY PERMIT SOME USE OF MARIJUANA F MEDICAL PURPOSES. AUTHORITIES IN COLORADO GATHED IDENCE TODAY FOR POSSIBLE IMINAL CHARGES IN THE "BALLO BOY" HOAX. IT INVOLVED THE FLIGHTF A RUNAWAY BALLOON LA WEEK AND THE FALSE PORTS THAT A SIX- YEAR-OLD WAS ON BOARD. THE LOCAL SHERIFF SAID SUNY THE Y'S PARENTS CONCOCTED THE WHOLE THING TO PMOTE A POSSIBLE RLITY TELEVISION OW. ON WALL STREET, STKS HIT NEW HIGHS FOTHE YEAR, AFTER THE LATEST REPORTS ON COORATE OFITS RAISED HOPES. THE DOJONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE GAINED 96 POINTS TCLOSE AT 10,092. THE SDAQ ROSE 19 POINTS TO CLOSE AT 2176. AND STILL TO COME THE NEWSHO TONIGHT, ANCIEN CLIMATE HISTORY; SUDAN SATEGY; AND A WAR WORDS. THAT FOLLOWS THE PAKISTAN OFFENSIVE AGAINST E TALIBAN AND ALAEDA. JUDY WOODRUFHAS THE STORY.

>> Woodruff: FIGHTINBETWEEN E PAKISTAN ARMY AND INSURGEN IS NOW IN ITS THIRD DAY IN T RUGGED HILLS OF SOUTH WAZIRISTAN, A REGION THAT BORDS AFGHANISTAN. ME 30,000 PAKISTANI TROOPS HA TAKEN ON MORE THAN 10,000 MILITANTS. PAKISTAN'S AIRORCE IS ALSO BOMBG INSURGENT POSITIONS. MORE THAN 10000 CIVILIANS HAVE FL THE COMBAT. FOR MORE OTHE MILITARY CAMPAIGN, WEO TO RETIRED PAKISTANI LIEUTENA GENERAL TAT MASOOD. HE'S WRITTEN EENSIVELY ABOUT SERITY AND POLITICAL ISSUES IN PAKISTAN. AND ROBERT GRENIER WAS HEAOF THE C.I.A.'SOUNTERTERRORISM CENTER AND CHIEF OF ATION IN ISLAMABA HE HELPED PLAN THE COVERT OPATION TO OUST THE TALIBAN AND -QAEDA FROM AFGHANISTAN AFTER TH9/11 ATTACKS. HE'S NOW CHAMAN OF ERG PARTNE, A FINANCIAL CONSULTING COMPANY. GENTLEN, THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING WITH US. GENERAL MASOTO YOU FRST, WHAT IS IT THAT THEAKISTANIS ARE TRYING TO ACCPLISH? WHAT DO THEY WANTO DO HERE?

>> AS YOU KNOW FST THEY WANT TO REOCCUPY THE TERRITORY WHICH THEY HAVE LOST TO THE TALIBAN. D THE GOVERNMENT HAS COROL OVER THAT AREA. THE TALIBAN HASBECOME VERY ASSEIVE. THEY MORE OR LESS CONOL MOST OF IT. SO I THK WHAT THE PAKTAN GOVEMENT IS TRYING TOO AFR HAVING SOFNED THE TARGETS AND TRYING TO SORT OF REALLY MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE NO ETS AND TRY POINTS LEFT FOM WHERE TY COU ESCAPE WT THEY'RE TRYING T DOOW IS TO LAUNCH A MAJOR OFNSIVE, WHICH THEY HAVE DONE. MORE OR LESS WITH FULL STNGTH. THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'R EITHER ELIMINATED OR CAURED AND THEY' ALSO HAVE BEENARGETING TRAINING CAS. THEY HAVELSO BEEN TARGETING THEIR LEADERSHIP. SO IT'S AERY MAJOR OFFENSIVE. SOMETHING VERY DIFRENT TO WHAT HAS BEEN IN THE PAS THIS IS A VERY SERIOUS MATTER BECAUSE WAZIRISTAN IS REALLY THE CENTER OF AVITY OF A, YOU KNOW WHATE HAVE BEEN HEING ABOUT THE MITANTS IN PAKISTAN.

>> Woodruff: ROB GRENIER, WHAT DOE KNOW ABOUT HOW IT'S BEEN GOING ON FAR? WE'RE ONLY GETTG LIMITED RERTS THIS POIN THERE'S RY LITTLE INDEPENDENT POINTING COMING OUT FROM WAZIRTAN. THE MILITA THUS FARAS BEEN SAYING THAT THE CASUALTIES AND THE FIGHTING HAS BN SURISINGLY LIGHT THUS FAR. BUT I TNK BEFORE LON WE'RE GOING TO SEE HEAVY FIGHTING.

>> Woodruff: AND IS IT YOUR UNDERSTAING THAT THEY'RE GOING AFTERLL THE TALIBAN IN THAT AREA? PART OF TH TALIBAN? WHAT IYOUR UNDERSTANDING?

>> WELL, EVEN IF WE'RE TALNG ABOUT ONLY THEAKISTANI LIBAN, THA I AN ORGANIZATIONADE UP OF A NUMBER OFIFFERENT GROUPS THAT ARE COMBING THEIR EFFORTS AND TRNG TO ORDINATE THEIR ACTIVITIES. THIS, HOWEVER, IS THE MAR PARTF THE PAKISTI TALIBA D BY AN INDIDUAL BY THE NAME OF MASOOD. HE AND A NUMBER MILITANTS WHO ARE LOYAL TO M, OF COURSE, ARE HOL UP IN THAT NORTHERN PART OF SOUTH WAZIRISTAN. WHAT AFFEC WE'LL BE SEEING NOW IS WITH THE PAKISTANI MILITARY COMING IN, OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE TRBE W MAY HAVE NO PARTICULAR GRIEF WILL ALESCE AROUND HIM AND TRY TO RESIST THE AL QAEDA.

>> Woodruff: TO HELPS UNDERSTAND, GENERALASOOD, IS THE GOAL HERE TO PUSH THEM OUT PERMANENY AND TO SY THERE AND HOLD THE AA OR IS IT JUST TO T THEM OUT AND THEN

>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.T HAPPENS. ACTUAL THE WHOLEIM IS T REOCCUPYHE TERRITORY D TO HAVE NOW TO ASSERT THE GUNMAN... OVERHAT AREA. THEY'RE TRYINGO SINGLE OUT THAT MAJO TRIBE WHICH IS RESISTING PAKISTAN AND ALSO TO SEE TO IT THAT IT IS ISOLATED BECAUSE WE DO NOWANT THAT ALL THE TRIBES SHOULD JOIN HAS TOGETHER AND COLLECTIVELY... IT'S A VERY LICATE MOVE IN THE SENSE THATHEY'RE TRYING T ISATE THEM. WHETHEWE'LL SUCCEED IN THAT IS AERY BIG QUESTION.

>> Woodruff: HOW LONG IS THIS GOINGO TAKE? AND THE QUESTI ONE KEE HEARING, ROBERTRENIER,S, IS THE PAKIANI MILITARY UP TO THIS... UP TO THE TA?

>> WL, THIS YAKE SOME WEEKS. THAT HAS BEEN THE TIMATE THAT HAS COME FOM THE KISTAN MILITARY. I THINK IT'S PBABLY ACRATE. THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A QUICOPERATION. BUT WHEN W ASK WHETHER THE PAKISTANI MILITA IS UP TO IT, YES, I THINK THAT THEY CAN WIN A TACTICAL VICORY. I THINK THEY CAN OCCUPY THE TERRITORY INITIALLY. BUWHAT I THINK IS RQUIRED HE IS, IF WE'RE TO SOLVE THIS PBLEM, IS A CLASSIC KIND OF INSURGENCCAMPAIGN WHERE THEY NOT ONLY GO IN AND TAKE THE TERRIRY BUT THEY HOLD AND BUILD AERWARDS. THAT WOULD BE UNPRECEDENTED.

>> Woodruff: THAS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THEYRE TRYING TO DO. >>BSOLUTELY. THE MILITARY IS OY APART OF THE OPERATION. WE'LL AL USE OTHER ELEMENTS OF NATIONAL POR. THEY TRY TO ESTABLISH AN ADMINISTRAON THERE EVENTUALLY. E MILITARY WILL CONTINUE TO HOLD SUCH TIMESIVILIAN INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN PUT PLACE. IT WILL BE A LONG-DRAWN PROCESS. EN FURTHERMORE THE WINTER IS TTING IN. IT BECOMES MUCH MRE DIICULT. WHAT THEWILL TRY TO DOS TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL OPERATION B THE END OF DCEMBER. AND EN MEANWHILE THE CIVILIAN ADMINISTRATI STTS MOVI AND THEN DRAW THE PEOPLE TOWARDS THEIR SIDE SO THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THEY ISOLATE THEN THE REAL LEADERS WHO HA BEEN OPPOSING E GOVERNMENT AND HE BEEN FIGHTI IT.

>> Woodruff: B THAT IS A MUCH MORE COMPLICAD TASK THAN SIMPLY GTING IN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

>> IS A MUCH MORE COMPLICATED TASK. IT'S GNG TO REQUIRE SOME AL SUSTAINMENT O EFFORT. WE SHOULD REMEMBER THAT EVEN IN RECENT HSTORY, THE PAKISTANI ARM IS MOVING INTO THAT AREA NOT UNPRECEDENTED. THEY HAD TO GO IN THE SOHERN PART OF SOUTH WAZIRISTAN IN 2002005 D LATER IN 2005 IACTUALLY VITED SOUTH WAZIRISTA AND RECEIVED A BRIEFINBY THE POLITICAL AGENCY THER THE NIOR GOVERNMENT REPRESENTATIVE THERE WHAT HE DESCRIBE, THE PLAN THAT WAS UERWAY AT THE TIME WAS PRESELY WHATGENERAL TAT HAS DESCBED JUST NOW. THEY HAVE NOT SUSTAINED TAT IN THE PAST. WE HOPE TH WILL IN THE FUTURE. >>oodruff: WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CILIAN POPULATION, METHING LIKE 100,0 PEOPLE ARE FLEEING TH AREA. WHAT IS THE MILITARY'SRACK RECORD WITH REGARD TO CIVILIANS? HOW ARE THEY INTERACTING WH THE CIVILIAN POPATION?

>> THEY'RE TRYING TO BE AT EIR BEST WITH THEM. YOU SEE THE REAL BATTLE IS TH THE CIVILIAN POPULATION. THE'S NO WAY THAT WE COULD WIN. WHAT WE E TRYING TO DO IS IN FACTHEY ARE BEINGINTERNALLY SPLACED FOR THR OWNAFETY, IN FACT. BECAUSWHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE TO REOCPY THE TERRITORY, THEN YOHAVE TO FIGHT A CONVTIONAL WAR. AND IN A CONVENTIONAL WAR, THE WOULD BE A LOT OF CAALTIES. SO THEY'RE ENCOURAGING OPLE LEAVE. ASHE POPULATION-- IT'S A POPULATED AREA-- THEY'RE MAKING SURE THAT THOSEPEOPLE WHO MOVE, THEY ARE TAKEN CARE OF. THE MILITARY ITSE PLAYS A VERY MAJOROLE IN THAT. APART FROM THAT THE CIVILIAN ADMINISTRATION AND THEUNITED NATIONS AGENCS ARELSO COMING IN TOHELP THE REFUGE.

>> Woodruff: ITHERE ANY EVIDEN YET, ROBERT GRENI, WHETHER THAT IS WORKINOR NOT? AS THEY WOD LIKEOR IT TO WORK?

>> I THINK IT'S TOO SOON TO TE. WE CERTAINLY DO SEE....

>> Woodruf WE'RE ONLY IN THE IRD DAY.

>> THAS RIGHT. SIGNIFICANT NUMBEROF CIVILIANS HAVE ALREA FLED THE AREA. THAT SENSE I THINK THAT THE GENERAL IS RIGHT THAT WE HOPE THAT THAT WILL TEND TO SUPPRESS T NUMBER OF CIVILIAN KASS CASUALTIES WE GHT OTHERWISEXPECT.

>> THERE WAS ANOTHER MOR OPERATION THGH NOT IN THE TRIBAL BELT BUT AACENT ON TH IN THE SWA DIVISION IN WHH A MUCH LARGER NUMBER OF POLATIONS MOVED OUT AND WERE DISPLACE KISTAN DID A REMARKABLE JOB IN AATTER OF ABOUT TWO MONTHS. THEY REALLYED THEM, CLOTHED TH AND PUT THEM IN TNTS. AND THEN TOOK THEM BK INTO AT. SO I THINK THEY HA SUFFIENT EXPERIENCE OF TH. THEY ALSO HAVE AN EXPERIENCE WITH A VERY MAJOR EARTHQUAKE WHICH TOOK PLACE I 2005. SO I THINK L THESE TINGS COMBED, PAKISTAN FLLY COGNIZANOF THE MAJOR CHALLENGE THAT IT FAS BECAUSE OF THE INTERNAL DISPLACEMENT OF PEOPLE.

>> Woodruff: WHAT'S AT STAKE IN THISPERATION FOR THE PAKISTANI GOVERNNT? AT DOES IT MEAN IF THEY CCEED AND IF THEY DON'T SUCCEED?

>> WL, AGAIN YOU CAN DEFINE SUCCESS IN DIFFERENT WS. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANAS WE SAID BEFORE FOR THEMO FOLLOW UP, A TACTICAL VICTO WITH A MUCH MORE LNG LASTING STRATEGIC VICTORY. IF THEY FAIL TO DO THAT, IF WE INEAD FALL INTO THE SAME PATTERN THAT WE'VE SEEN INHE PAST, THINK THEY'RE JUST GOING TO ENCOURAGE MILITANCY NOONLY IN THE TRIBAL AREAS BUT ALSO ELSEWHERE IN PAKISTAN

>> Woodrf: DO YOU SEE IT THE SA WAY IN TERMS OF WHAT' AT STAKE? I THINK IT'S HE CAN DREAMLY CRUCIAL THAT WE WIN. IT'SOT JUST A QUESTIONOF WINNING MILITARY BUTN E STRAGIC SENSE. AT MEANS WE GUINELY WIN THE HEARTSND MINDS OF PEOPLE AND MAKE SURE THAT THE TALIBAN DOT COME BACK.

>> Woodruf IF SOMEONE ASKS YOU TO MEASURE, HOW WIHEY MEURE SUCCESS, WH WOULD YOU SAY?

>> I WOULD SA THAT THE MEASURE OF SUCCESS WLD DEPEND AS TO WTHER THERE IS TURANG QUILT AND PEACE WHICH HAD RETURNEDO THE PCE AND SOMEING WHAT IT WAS YEARS BEFORE 9/11 OR EVEN BEFORE JIHAD BECAUSE TH AREA HAS BEENO DISTURBED. THE CUMULATIVE EFFECT O SEVERAL INTERNIONAL FACTORS. IT WILL ALSO DEPEND VERY MUCH ON HOW TE SITUATION IN AFGHANISN REMAINS.

>> Wdruff: LIEUTENAN GENERAL TALA MASOOD AND ROBERT GRENIER, THANKYOU BOTH.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> Lehr: TEACHERS CAN FIND A LEON PLAN ON THE GEOGRAPHY AND HISTORY PAKISTAN ON OUR EDUCATION GE, AT newshour.pbs.org.

>> Lehr: NEXT TONIGHT, BORING DEEP INTGREENLAND TO UNDERSTAND CLIMATE HISTO. THE STORY COMES FROM HEIDI CULLEN, CLIMATOLOGIST AND CORRESPONDENFOR CLIMATE CENTRAL, A NONPARTIS RESEARCH OUP FOR JOURNALISTS AND SCIENTISTS.

>> Reporter: FARN THE NORTH OF GREENLAN A TEAM OF CLIMATE SCIENTISTS OM 14 NATIS INCLUDING THE U.S. HAS JUST COMPLETED ITS FIRST SEASON OF ILLING A 1.6 MILE CORE OF SOLID ICE

>> WHAT WE SEE HERE IS A PIECE OFCE FROM THE CMATE CHANGE BETWEENTHE M.R.S.A.GLARBL AND THE PRESENT CLIMATE. IT'S ABOUT 11,000 YEARS D. IT CONTAINS BUBBLES OF THE ANCIEN ATMOSPHE.

>> Rerter: J.P.IS A FIELD OPERATIO MANAGER FOR THE NORTH GREENLAND ICE DRILLING PROJECT. THE POJECT'S TIMATE GOAL TO UNCK THE CLIMATE HISTORY TRAPPED INSIDE THOSE TINY BUBBLES.

>> T BEAUTIFUL THING ABOUT AN ICE CORE IS IT'S GOT ALL THESE DIFFERENT INDITORS, COOSITION, TEMPERATURE, MEAN OCEAN TEMPERATUR DUST. ALL THESE KINDS OF INDICATORS ARE ON EXACY T SAME TIME SCAL

>> Reporter: A SENTIST AT THE SKRIPZ INSTITUTION OF OCEANOGRAPHY IS RKINGITH SCIENTISTS TO RECONSUCT ALL THOSE INDICATORS IN E HOPES OF LEARNING MORE AUT A PERIOD IN CLIMATE HISTORY KNOWN AS THE EMIAN. IT SRTED ABOUT 130,000 YEARS AGO AND WE KW IT LASTED OUT 15,000 YEARS BEFORE THE EARTH PLUNGED BK INTO ANCE E.

>> WE ARE TRYING TOET A RECORD OF THE LA TIME THAT THE EARTH WAS WARM THAN DAY. IT'S AN ANALOG FOR WHAT OUR FUTURE LOOKS LIKE UNDER GLOBAL WARMING. Reporter: DURING THAT PERIOD, TEMPERATURES WERE SOMEWHERE BETWEE5 AND DEGRS FAHRENHEIT WARMER THAN TODAY, A SNARIO TH CLIMATE MODELS SUGST COULD HAPPEN AGAIN BY THE E OF THE CENTURY PRESENT TREN CONTIN.

>> IT'S A VERY, VERY REALISTIC SCENARIO FOR FROM WHAT WE Y EXPERIENCE IN TH NEXT 10 TO 200 YEARS.

>> GEINGLDER AND OLDER. GETTING BA TO THE FUTURE.

>> Rorter: 30 FEET BELOW THE SURFACE THIS HUGE TRENC CARVED FROM THE SNOW IS WHERE THISCE CORE RESEAR BEGINS.

>> T NEWEST THING WE HAVE NOW THAT NOBODY ELSE HAS TRIED IS THE VERY SOPHISTICATED ANALYTICAL SYSTEM. IT'S CALLED CONTUOUSLOW ANALYSIS. IN THE FIELD YO CUT A SLAB O THE ICE CORE, A THIN ROD OF ICE FOLLOWINTHE LENGTH OF THE ICE. YOU TILT THAT VERTICAY. YOU LT IT ON A HOT PATE FROM ONE END. THENS IT MELTS DO YOU THE ANALYSIS. MILLY METER MILLY MER. YOU CAN HEAR THE BUBBL CONG OUT OF THE ICE.

>> Reporter: THEAMPLES ARE ALSO CUT, BAGGED, AND BOXED UP AND THEN SHIPPED TO RESEARCH CENTS AROUND THE WORLD.

>> WE CALL IT T POST OFFICE.

>> Reporr: THE LOGISTICSF ICE CORE DRILNG ARE FAR FROM SIMPLE.

>> IT'S COMPLICATED. I HATE COMPLICATION I LIKE TO THINGS TO RUN SMOOTHLY.

>> Reporter: THE OPERATION STARTS IN A SMALL TOWN ON GREENLAND'S WESTOAST.

>> MY FIRST SEASON WAS IN 1980. SO THAT'S 29 YEARS AGO. THAT WAS A MARRIAGE FOR LIFE.

>> Reporter:KEEPING THE ERATION RUNNIN SMOOTHLY IS HIS WIFE AND FELLOW SCIENTIST, THE PROJECT LEADER.

>> I WAS MOSTLY COORDINAR OF E PROJECT. TRYING T GET THE SAMPLES TO THE SCIENTISTSND THE AIRPLANES TO COME.

>> Reporter:HE AIRPLANES COME COURTESY OF E 109th AIR LIFT WING OF THE NEW YORK AIR FORCE NATIONAL GUARD.

>> APPROACH.

>> Repter: AND PILOTS KE GEORGE ALLSTO >>E'RE THE ONLY UT IN THE WORLD THAT SPECIALIZED THIS SPECIALIZED RCRAFT, THE C-130 ON SKIS, WHICH ALLOWUS TO SUPPORT THECIENTIFIC EFFORTS. I CAN TAKE THESE LARARYNU... LARGEARY PLAINS A LAND THEM SKIS.

>> Reporr: GETTING TO THE CAMP IS PARTF TH CHALLENGE.

>> IT'S ALWAYSLIGHT. WHEN YOU FIRST GETERE IT MAY BE A LTLE HARD TO SLEEP. IT TAKES A COUPLE OF NIGHTS TO T USED TO IT. BUT THEN YOUET SO TIRED FROM WORKND FROM NOT SLEEPING THE NIGHTS BEFORE THAT IT NO LONGER BECOMES PROBLEM.

>> Reporter: HE IS A SCIENTIS AT THE UNIVSITY OF COLORADO.

>> IT'S A VERY SIMPLE LIFE. IT'S KIND OF LIKE A FRONER OUTPOST. WE SEP IN MTLY IN THOSE RED STRUCTURESHAT YOU S BEND ME. THEY'RE CALLED WEATHPORTS. >>eporter: WHILE THE FIELD CAMP MAY LOOK LI A FRONTIER OUTPOST ON THE SURFACE, HE AND OTHERS ARE ENGAGED IN VERY SOPHISTICATED SCIENTIST RESEARCHUNDERGROUND.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS THA WE SEE IN THE ICE COR IS A RONG CORRELATION BETWEEN CARBON DIOXI LEVELS AND TEMPATURES. SO AT TIMESF WARM TEMPERATURES, CARBON DIIDE IS IHIGH. AT TIMES OF COLD TEMPERATURES, CARBON DIOXIDE LOW WHICH, YOU KNOW, REINFORCES WHAT SCIENTISTS HAVE BEEN SHOWING RECENTLY THA RBON DIOXIDE DOESAUSE WARMING.

>> Reporter: AND THA WARNG LES TO MELTING. THE GREEAND ICE SHEETS CONTAINS ENOUGH E TO RAISE THE GLOBAL SEAEVEL B 23 FEET, A WORST CASE SCENARIO ASSOCIATEDITH GBAL WARMING. SATELLITE DATA SHOWS THAT GREENLANS RESERVOIR OF ICE HAS PLUMMETED IN RECENTEARS ABOUT 340 BILLION TONS OF ICE MELT IN 2007 ALE ABOUT THE SA AS SAN FRANCISAY DRAINING COMPLETELY EVERWEEK FOR A YEAR. SCNTISTS HOPE THIS NEW ICE CO WILL TELL THEM HOMUCH OF GREENLAND'S ICE MELTED DURING THE PERIO WHEN GLOBAL SEA LEVEWAS 13 T 20 FEET HIGHER A FINDING THAT CLD BE CRUCIAL IN DETERMINING HOW MUCH ANDOW QUICKLY SEA LEVEL COULD RISE OVER TH NEXT SEVERAL CENTURIES.

>> WE OW FROM ALL THE OTHER ICE DRIL THAT WE FIND ICE FROM THAT PEOD IN THEICE RE. THAT TELLSS THAT EVEN THOUG IT WAS WARMER ER GREENLAND ITAS WARM ENOUGH FOR THE ICE TO DISINTEGRATE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S DEBATEA LOT. HOW MU WARMING WE WI NEED IN THE FUTE BEFORE TH ICE WILL TOTALLY DISAPPEAR BEFORE WE GO BEYOND THE TIPPING POINT. >>eporter: NOW THAT THIS DRL SEASON HAS COME TO AN END THE SCIENTISTS AREEADING HOMEHERE THEY WILL CONTIN WORKING TONLOCK THE CLIMATE HISTORTRAPPED INSE THE TINY BUT TELLING BUBBLES.

>> Lehrer: YOU CAN FIND OUT RE ABOUT THSCIENTISTS IN GREENLAND AND WATCH ANNTERVIEW WITH ONEF THE C-130 PILOTS. JUST FOLLOW A LINK FROM OUR B SITE, newsur.pbs.org, TO "CMATE CENTRAL."

>> Lehrer: NOW, TRNG DIFFERENT WAYSO BRING PEACE TO DARFUR. RAY SUAREZ HAS THAT STORY.

>> Suare AFTER NEARLY SEVEN YEARS OF CONFLICT IN DARFUR, AT LEAST 300,000 KILLED AND TWO MILLION MO DISPLACED. THE OBAMA ADMINTRATION TODAY UNVEILED A NEW POLICY SAYING IT WANTETO END WHAT ITALLS GENODE IN DARFUR. IN A STEMENT ISSUEBY THE ESIDENTND IN AN ANNOUNCE AL BY HIS SECRETARY OF STATE, E ADMINISTRATION SAID IT WOULD PURSUE A NEW REGIME OF ENGAGEMENT WITH THE GOVERNMENT INHARTOUM INSTEAD OF CONTINUING AOLICY OF ISOLATN.

>> WE ARLOOKING TO ACHIEVE RESULTS THROUGH BROEN GAEMENT AND FRANK DIAGUE. BUT WORDS ALONE ARE NOT ENOUGH. ASSESSME OF PROGRESS AND DECISIONS REGARNG INCENTIVES AND DISINCENTIVESWILL BE BASED ON VERIFILE CHANGES IN CONDITIONSN THE GROUND. BACK FIGHTING BY ANY PAR WILL BE T WITH CREDIBLE PRESSURE IN THE FORM OF DISINCENTIVES, LERAGE BY OUR GOVERNMENT AND OUR INTERNATIOL PARTNERS.

>> Suarez: THE ADMINISTRATN HOS TO END THE DARFUR CONFLICT. IT ALSO HOPES TO IMEMENT THE 2005EACE TREATY MEA TO END A SEPARATEIVIL WAR TWEEN NORTH AND SOUTH SUDAN. ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS ALS SAID THE U.S.WANTS TO ENSURE SUDAN DOESOT BECOME A SAFE HAVEN FOR INTERNATIOL TERRORISGROUPS. SUDAN WAS ONCE HOME TO OSAMA N LADEN AND WAS BOMBEDN 1998 FOOWING QAEDA ATTACKON U.S. EMBASSIES IN AFRICA. THE GOVERNMENT OF SUDAN RESPONDED CAUTIOUSLY SAYING THE PROPOSAL HAD PITIVE INTS WHILE BRISTLINAT THE E OF THE TERM NOCIDE. SEETARY CLINTON WAS JOINED TODAY BY THE.S.MBASSADOR TO THE UNIT NATIONSUSAN RICE AND THE ADMINISATION'S SPIAL ENVOY FOR SUDAN, MAJOR GENERAL SCOTT GRAN. THE TWO REPORTEDL HAD CSHED ER SUDAN POLICY POR TO TODAY'S ANUNCEMENT WITH GRACEN FAVORING ENGAGEMENTND RICE ADVOCATING HARDER LINE.

>> TRE WILL BE SIGFICANT COEQUENCES FOR PARTIES THAT BACK SLIDE OR SILY STDSTILL. ALL PARTIES WILL BE HELD TO ACCOUNT. ESIDENT OBAMA'S SAN STRATEGY IS SMART, UGH, AND BALANCED. IT TAKES A CLEAR VIEW OF HISTORY, WHICH REMINDS US THA FOR ARS PATHS T PEACE HA BEEN LITTERED WITH BROKEN PROMISES AND UNFULFILLED COMMITMENTS BY E GOVERNMENT OF SUDAN.

>> Suarez:HAT GOVERNMENT IS LE BY OMAR ELBE SHEER WHO WAS INVITED BY THE I.C.C.FOR CRIMES AINSTHUMANITY AND WAR CRIMES. THE I.C.C.BASHIR ORESTRATEDSON OWE SIDE IN DAUR. HE SPOKE WITH THE NEWSUR THIS SMER.

>> WE THINK THAT THE I.C.C. IS A TOOL T TRORIZE COUNTRIES THAT THE WESTHINKS ARE DIISOBEDIENT. THE AFRICAN POSITIO BY COENSUS IS NOT TO COOPERATE WITH THIS CSE AND ITAS REACHED A CONCLION THAT TIS COURSE IS DIRECTED AGNST THE COUNTRIES OF T THIRD WORLD AT THE TUNE OF MECOLONIALISM. >>uarez: HAS THE INTERNATIONAL CRINAL COURT COLICATED MATTERS OR GIVEN EM MORAL CLARITY?

>> I TNK THAT THE INTERNIONAL CRIMINAL COURT HAS PROVIDED A TOOL, A INT OF LEVERAGE IT'S INTDUCED A LEVEL OF ACCOTABILITY AND CONSEQUEN WHH DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE.

>> Suar: JOHN PENDERGAST HEADS ENOUGH, AN ANTGENOCIDE PROJECT OF THE CTER FOR AMERICAN PROESS.

>> IF E OBAMA ADMINISTRATION DON'T STAND UP FOR THOSE ORGANIZATIONS, IF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION DOE'T STAND UP FOR T VILLAGE THAT ARE BEING ATTACKED ON AAILY BAS, THEN THE INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT'S ACTION WILL HAVE ACTUALL MADE MATTERS WORSE. BUT IF THERE IS SUPPORT FOR THE INRNATIONALRIMINAL COT'S STAND FOR ACCOUNTABILITYE CAN ACTUALLY SEE HE TINK MORE PROGRESS THAN WE ULD HAVETHERWISE HAD THERE BENO CONQUENCE FOR THE COMMISSION OF CRIMES AGAINST HUMITY.

>> Srez: AND HE HAD A MEASUR REACTION.

>> IF THE OBAMAED ADMINISTTION IS WILLING TO IMPOSE A CT ON THOS THAT WOULD COMMITGENOCIDE TO MAININ POWER, THEN I THINK WE CAN HAVE A CHANCE OF FLUENCING THE BEHAVIOR OF THOSE TH ARE WILLING TO DO THESE KINDS OF THINGS. IF THERE INO COST, IF THERE'S NO CONQUENCE,HEN WE'RE GOING TO SEE AETURN TO R THRGHOUT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY WITHIN THE YEAR ON PRESIDENT OBAMA'S WATCH.

>> Suaz: THE PRESIDE HAS AUTHIZED A RENEWAL OF SANCTIONS AINST KHARTOUM TO BE IMPLEMENTED LATER THI WEEK. ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO HELPED COME UP WI THE NEW POLICY IS RETIRED GENERAL SCOT GRACEN. HE SERVES AS SPECIAL ENVOY TO SUDAN AND JOINS US NOW WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUC

>> Suare WHAT'S DFERENT ABOUT NOW WITH THE ANNOUNCEMENT THIS RNING?

>> T DIFFERENCE IS HOW WE DO IT. WE'RE ING TO ENSURE THAT EVERY AGREEMENT,EVERY DECISION THAT IS MADE HAS A MEASURAB BENCHMARK, A MILESTONE. WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THES THE BEST WE CAN TO JUDGETHEM IN AN OBJECTI WAY. THEY'LL BE MEETING EVERY QUARTER AT THE DEPUTY COMMITTEE LEVE WERETHE DEPUTYS FROM EACCABINET COME TOGETHER AND TAKE GOOD LOOK AT WHAT PGRESS HAS BEEN MADE. IF THERE IS PROGRESS, WE HAV A LISTF INCENTIVES. IF WE HAVE SN AN ACTION OR BACK SLIDING, TH WE CAN PLY THE APPROPRIATE MEASURED ESSURES TO ENSURE WE GET THE CHANGE WE NEED FOR THE SUDANESE PEOPLE.

>> Suaz: LIKE WHAT? WHAT WOULD BE THE CONSEQUENCES FOR THE INACTION ONTHE PART OF THE SUDAN HE'S?

>> THEIRS A WIDE VARIETY OF THINGS. MOST OTHESE ARE IN THE LIST THAT WWOULD LOOK VERY CAFULLY AND CHOOSE THE ONES THAT ARE APPROPRIATE. ONES THAT WILL ACHIEVE THE DESIRED EFFE. IT'S DIFFILT TO GO INTO IT HYPOTHETICALLY BUT CERTAINLY WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND DISCSED A WIDE RANGE OF OPTIONS THAT WILL PRODUCE THE DESIRED RESUS.

>> Suarez: YOU COULDN'T GIV ME AN EXAMPLE OF EVEN THE TYPES OFHINGS THAT WE'D BE TALKING OUT? BECAUSE THIS PARTICULAR GOVERNMENT HAS SO FAR SEEED IMPERVIOUS TAMERICAN PRESRE.

>> SURE. THE PRESSURES INCLUDE THOSE THAT AREOLITICAL, ECONOMIC, AND YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY ARE. THE INNTIVES ARE THE SAME. THEY CAN BE ONTHEECONOMIC FRONT AND ON THE POLITICAL FRONT. WILL PUT INTO EFFECT THOSE MEASURES THAT WILL ENSURE THE SUN EASE PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO MOVE FOARD WITH A PEE.

>> Suarez: HAVE ANY OF YOUR DEALINGS THUS FAR WITH THE SUDANESE GOVERNMENT GIVEYOU Y INDICATION THAT THEY ARE SUSCEPTIBLE TO THIKIND OF PRESSURE? CONGREMAN DONALD PAYNE SAID IN THE LAST COLE OF DAYS, I THINK THE ONLY THING THE GOVERNMENT OF SUDAN UNDERSTANDS IS BLUNTNESS AN POWER.

>> WE BELIEVE THTHERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE ANK DIOGUE ANDTHROUGH THE FRANK DIOGUE COME UP WITH AGREEMENTS. AND THROUGH THESE AGREEMENTS COME UP WITH A BENCHMARKS AND MILESTONES. WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF POSITIV THINGS HAPPEN IN THE LAS FEW MONTHS. THINGS TT YOU MIGHT NOT GET TO SEE BACK HERE THE UNITED STATES. WE'VE SEEN AND SUPPT WHAT THE GOVERNMENTF SUDAN IS DOINWITH ITS RELATIONSHIP WITH CHA WE'V SEEN AN ENGAGEMT BETWEEN CHAD AND SUN THAT MIGHT HELP END T PROXY WAR WHERE CHAAN REBELSERE PPORTED BY SUDAN AND THREATENED. AND REBELS SUPPORT BY... WE NEED TO GETHAT STOPPED BECAUSTHAT IS VERY DIUPTIVE TO DARFUR. SUDAN D CHAD ARE EMBAED RIGHT NOW ON EFFORTS TOTOP THAT PROXYAR. IN THE STH, WE HAD 12 ITEMS THAT WE UNRESOLVED BACK WHE THE OBAMA ADMINISTTION CAME TO OFFICE. GHT NOW WE HAVE ONLY TWO REINING. GRANTED THEY'RE THE TOUGHEST TWO. THE CENSUS AND THE REFENDUM. WE'VE MADE PRRESS ON TEN. WEE IN THE PROCESS OF IMPLEMENTI THOSE ALONG WITH THE PARTIES OF THE NORTH A THSOUTH.

>> Suarez: IT'S WIDELY REPORTED THAT THERE'S BROAD DISAGREEMENT INSIDE THE ADMINISTRAON AND THAT YOU LOST THE ARGENT IN THIS W APPROACH TO SUDAN.

>> THERE'S NO WINNERS AND LOSERS. IF THERE WAS A DEBATE THERE'S NO ARGUMENT ABOUTHAT. BUT CERTAINLY WOULD NOT CHARACTERIZEIT AS ALL AT BEIN DISIVE. I CHARACTERIZE IT AS BEING AN HONEST DEBATE THAT RESULTED A STRATEGY THAT CSIDERS ALL ASPECTS. IN REALITY IT GIV US ALL THE LATIDE WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AN GIVES US L THE IDANCE WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT AERICA'S INTERESTS E PROTECTEAS WE WORK IN THIS COUNTRY. THIS IS A VERY TOH CHALLENGE. THE TIME LINES ARE SHORT WE HE A NATIONAL ELECTION IN APRIL OF 2010 AND THE REFERENDUM ONLY 15 MONTHS AY. THIS STRATEGY GIVEUS THE TOOLS WE NEED TO FULFILL THE TIME LINE AND IT GIVES US THE STRATEGY WNEED TOENSURE AT WE GET THE NEEDE PRRESS. AND THAT CAME AFTER VIGOROU DEBATE. BUT IT WASN'T CRACKS. IT WASN'T FIGHTG. CERTAINL E PEOPLE THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THISTRATEGY WORKED HD TO ENSURE THAT WAS COMPREHENSIVE AND INTEGRATED AND I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE ALL UNIT AND WE VE BEEN UNITED SINCE WE CAME UP WITH THIS POLICY. I SUPPORT IT FLY. I'VE GOT T TELL YOU AT THE PRESIDENT AND SEETARY CLINT OFTEN HAVE BEEN JUST ABSOLUTELY SUPERB IN GIVINGS THEESOURCES, IN VING US THE SUPPORT THAT WE NE TO CARRY T THIS MANDATE IN SUDAN.

>> Suarez: THE SANESE GOVERNMENT HAS HAD THE BACKING OF THE CHINESE ON THE U.N. SECURITYOUNCIL. WE HAVE NOW.. NEWOUND OIL WEALTH POURING IN THE COUNTRY. SO FAR THEY'VE FLOUTED INTERNATIOL REQUESTS TO STOP THE KILLING ANTHE DYING IN DARF. WHAT LEVERAGE DOESHE U.S. HAVE AT THIS STAGE OF THE GAME?

>> AT THETRATEGIC LEVEL CHINA AND THE UNITED STATES SHARE THE SAME OJECTIVES. THEY NEEA COUNTRYHAT IS ABLE AND SECURITY. . AND SECURE, IN ORDE TO MEET THEIR ECONOMIC OBJECTIVES. WE WANT A COUNTRY THAT STAB AND SECURE FOR THE SUDANESE PEOE TO BE ABLE TO FULFILL THEIR DREAMS ESPECIALLY FOR T NEXT GERATION. AND SO BY WORKING AT THE STTEGIC LEVEL AND DOWN, I THINWE CAN REACH EAS WHERE CHINA AND THE UNITEDTATES CAN BEN THE SAME SHEET OF MUSIC. WE ALSHAVE A GUP OFNVOYS THAT GETS TOGETHER RESULTING FROM THE P WE W CALL OURSELVES THEE-6. 'S ENVOYS FROM THE FIVE NATIONS THAT INCLUDE CNA AND SSIA, FRANCE, THE U.K., THE UNITED STATES AND THE EUROPEAN UNION. GETHER WE MEET ALONG WITH SOMETIMES ENVO FROM THE OTHER NATIO. 'S THROUGH THIS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GET CONSENSUS, THAT WE'RE LE TO IRODUCE MEASURES INTO OUR GOVEMENT, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO ENSURE THAT BI-LATERAL RELATIO TAKE PLACE WITH THE CONTEXT OF A MULTILATERALANDATE. CHINA HAS BEEN VERY EFUL. AMBASSADOR FROM CHINA HAS BEEN EXLLENT IN TERMS OF SUPPORNG WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DOO BRING AN ENDTO THE CONFLICT IN DARFUR. HE'S BEETO KHTOUM. HE'S WORKED IN JUBA. HE'S BEEN CHAD. 'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL IN HELPING US RESOLVEHOSE ISSUES TT ARE IN LINE WI OUR STRATEGY. Suarez: AREN'T CIVILIANS STILL DYING DARFUR?

>> CIVIANS ARE STILL DYING BUT NOT AT THE TE THEY WERE BEFORE. ANY DEATH IS UNACCEPTABLE. AND RE THAN THAT THERE'S PEOP LIVING IN DARFUR IN UNACCEABLE AND DARK CONDITIONS. THAT'S WHY I GET UP EVERY DAY AND PRAY THAT I N DO THE VERY BESI CAN FOR THE PEOPLE THATRE LIVING TODAY IN TUATIONS WHERE WOMEN ARE AFRAID TO GO OUTSE AND LLECT FIREWOOD FOR FEAR TH'LL BE RAPED. CHILDR WHO CAME TO THE CAMP AS ADOSCENTS ARE NOWOUNG MEN AND YOUNG WOMEN. ALL TH'VE KNOWN IS LIVING IN THE CAMP AND LIVING OFF OF HANDOUTSROM HUMANITARIAN ASSISTANCE. THHAS GOT TO CHANGE. THEY NEED TO HAVESECURITY. THEY NEED TO HAVE STABILITY. THEY NEED TO HAV THEI HUMAN RIGHTS RESTORED. THEY NEED TO HAVE DIGNY. THEY NEED TO HAVE THEPTION TO VOLUNTARI RETURN ON THEIR HOMES OR PLACES THATHEY CHOOSE TO LIVE. WE'R WORKING VERY HRD TO DO THAT BY WORKINON SECURITY, BY WORKING ON POLITICAL TRSFORMATION, BY WORKING O RESTITION AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND JUSTICE AND MAKING SURE THAT THE LIVES FOR THE NEXT GENETION IS A WAY LOT DIFFERENT THAN THE LIVEFOR THE WHO CURRENTLY LIVE THESE CAMPS.

>> Suarez: GENERAL SCOTT GRACEN, THANKSOR JOINI US.

>> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> Lrer: NOW, THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATI TAKES ON FOX NE. JEFFREBROWN HAS OUR MEDIA STORY. Brown: IN RECENT DAYS, THE SIMMERING FEUD BETWEEN T WHITE HOUSE AND FOXEWS HAS BECOME A ALL-OUT WAR OF WORDS. A WEEK AGO APPEARING ON A CNN DIA WATCH PROGRAM, WHITE HOUSE COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR ANITA DUNN MADE NEWS WHEN SHE CHARACRIZED FOX AS A QUOT, WING OF THE REPUBLIC PARTY. I MEAN THE REATY OF IT IS THATOX NEWS OFTEN ORATES ALMOST AS EITHER THE RESEARCH ARM OR T COMMUNICATIONS ARM OF THE RUBLICAN PARTY. Brown: IN "TIME" MAGAZINE SHE MADE A SIMILA CLAIM SAYING ITS ONION JOURNALIS MASK RAIDING ASEWS. THEY ARE BOOSTING THEIR AUDIENCE BUT THATOESN'T MEAN WE ARE GOING TO SIT CK. HER WORDS CAMEAFTER MONTHS OF POUNDING AND HARSH RHETORIC FROM HOSTS LIKEGLEN BECK.

>> THE WOMAN ON TH TAPE IS ANITA DU.

>> Brown: TAKG THE OBAM ADMINISTRATION TO TASK ON EVERYTHING FROM ITS HEALTH CARE PROPOSAL TO THE PRIDENT'S INVOLVEMENT IN CHICAGO'S BID FOR THE OLYMPICS. IS WEEK BECK RFERRED TO DUNN AS, QUOTE, A WOMAN WHO IS TRYING TO CRASH FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND MOCKINGLY SAID HE HAD INSTALLED AED PHONE TO TAKEER CALL ANY TIME.

>> WE HAVE RED ONE AT THE WHITE HOUSE WHEREIF RUSSIA DISOMETHING, YOU KNOW, TH COULD PICK IT UP AND THE PRESIDENT COULD SAY,HAT ARE YOU DOING? WE'RGOING TO BMB YOU. TH THEY WOULD TALK THINGS OUT. WELL, WE HE INSTALLED THIS TELEPHON THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE IT. THE PEOPLE NOW IN ANITA DUNN'S FICE IN THE WHITE HOUSE

>> Bro: ONE FOX NEWS OFFICIAL MICHAEL CLEMENT HAS ACCUSED THE WHITE HOUSE OF UNFAIRLY... WITH E REPOERS WITHHE PUNDITS WHOM HE LIKENS TTHE OP-ED OF THE NEWSPAPER. THE SPARNG GOES BACK TO JU WHEN THE PRESINT HIMSELF WEIGHED IN ON AN INTERVIEW ON C-NBC.

>> I'VE GOT ONE TELEVISN STATION ENTIRELY DEVOTED TO ATCKING MY ADMINISTRATION. I MEAN, THAT'S ARy PRETTY....

>> I ASSUME YU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOX.

>> THAT'S A PRETTY BI MEGAPHONE. YOU'D BE HARD-PRESSEIF YOU WATCHED THE ENTIREAY TOIND A POSITIVE STORYBOUT ME ON THAT FRONT I THINK THAT ULTIMATY M SPONSIBILITY IS TO PROVIDE THE BEST POSSIBLE DISION- MANG ON BEHALF OF THE AMERIC PEOPLE AT A TIME WHE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF BIG PROBLEMS

>> Brown: IN PTEMBER THE PRESIDENT DID SWEEP OF SUNDAY MORNI TALK SHOWS TO EVERYONE EXCEP FOXHICH LED TO THIS FROM FOX ANCHOR CHRIS WALLACE.

>> THEARE THE BIGGEST BUNCH OF CRY BABIES I VE DEALT WITH IN MY 30 YEARS IN WASHINGTON.

>> Brown: YESTERDAY ITE HOUSE CHIEF OFTAFF RHM EMANUEL WEIGHED IN WITH THIS

>> IT'S NOT SO MUCH A CONFLICT WITH FOX NEWS. BUT UNLIKE IUPPOSE THE WAY TO LOOK AT IT AND E WAY TH ESIDENT LOOKS AT IT A THE WAY WE LOOKT IT. IT'SOT A NEWS ORGANIZATION SO MCH AS IT H A PERSPECTIVE. THAT'S A DIFFERENT TE. MORE IMPORTANT IT'S NOT THE CNNs AND THE OTHERIN THE WORLD BASICALLY LEDN FOLLOWING FOX IF THAT... WHAT THERE TRYING TO D IS A LEGITIMATE NEWS GANIZATION IN THEENSE OF BOTH SIS IN A SENSE OF VALUE OPINION.

>> Brown: INHE 24-HOUR NEWS CYCLE NOAY TAUNT SEEMS TO BE IN SIGHT. WE TAKE A CLER LOOK NOW WITH TOM ROSENSTIEL DICTOR OF THE PRECT FOR EXCELLENCE IN JONALISM, A RESEAR GANIZATION AND JANE HALL A MEDIA PROFESR AT AMERICAN UNIVERSITY. SHE WAS UNTIL RECENTL A CONTRIBU TORE A WKLY MEDIA WATCH PROGRA ON FOX NWS. WELCOME TO BH YOU. TOM, YOU'VE BEEN WATCHINTHIS RELATIONSHIPOR A LONG TIME. GO FROM BAD TO WOR. WHAT'SOING ON? WHAT DO YOU SEE?

>> WELL, THIS IS NOT WHAT WIOUT PRECEDENT. THE BUSH ADMINISTRATI HIT PRETTY HARD AINST OF ALL THINGS T "NEW YORK TIMES" PARTICULARLY I THE FIRST TERM OF THE ADNISTRATION. I THINK PART OFHAT'S GOING ON HERE IS A SENIOR FEELINGN THE PART OF POPLE, SOME PEOPLE IN THEHITE HOUSE THAT FOX IS... OPERATES BY A DIFFERENT M.O. THAN AT LEAST CNN. ANA PART OF IT IS THAT I THINK THEY WANTO PEEL AWAY SOME OF THE PEOPLE W WATCH FOX. WHEN THEY SAY THAT IT' AN ARM OR AING OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, WE VE TO REMEMBER TH MORE THAN 30% OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC N IDENTIFIES THEMSELV AS INDEPENDENTS. AND THE REPUBLIC PARTY ITSELF NOT AS BIG A MAGNET AS ITNCE WAS. IF YOU CANEEL SOME OF THOSE INDEPENDENT VOTERS AWAY FRO BELIEVG FOX AND DPARAGE FO THAT MAY HVE SOME LITICAL BENEFIT FOR THE WHITE HOUSE AT A TIME WHE ITS NUMBERARE DROPPING.

>> Brown: JANEALL I REFERRED TO MIAEL CLEMENTELAIMING AT THE WHITE HOUSE IS COUSING THE OPINION FROM THE NEWSIVISION. FOX HAS THOUGH DEFINED ITSELF AND GROWN ROUGH THESE TALK SHOW HTS, CORRECT? >>ES, IT HAS. I WAS BILL O'RLLY FOR A NG TIME. I WAS ON OUR MEDIA SHOWOR NY YEARS. I INK THAT YOUO NEED TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEENAJOR RRETT WHO IS A WHITE HOUSE REPORT AND CHRIS WALLACE WH S A SUNDAY SHOW D GLEN BECKAND HANNITY. I THINK PERSONALLY IF I RE ADVISING THE WHITE HOUSE TT YOU CALLOUT GLEN BECK I TINK REONABLY FOR SAYING OBAMA'S A RACIST, FOR SAYING OMA IS GOING TO TAKE AWAYOUR FREEDO. I BELIEVE THAT'S DANGEROUS TALK AND THEY SHLD BE CALLED OUT.

>> Brown: THAT'S CROSSINGHE LINE.

>> TO MYIND THAT CROSSES THE LINE. BUT I THINK OBAMA DID HIMSELF GOOD BY GOING ON O'REILLY BEFORE THE ECTION. I THINK OBAMA RUNS THE RSK, THEY RUN THEISK OF LOOKING SMALL, LOOKI AS IF THEY CARE THAT MUCH AND ALL IT'S GOING TO DO ISRIVE UP THE RATINGS FORALK SHOW HOSTS BEUSE EY HAVE CADRE OF PEOPLE WHO BELIEV WHAT THERE SAYING. GLEN BECK HAS A STRONG CADRE. WHEN HE DOES THAT WHOLE SCHTICK, THAT DOESN' HELP OBAMA. I DON'T THINK IT GETS MO INDEPENDENTS. IT ONLY HELPSFOX NEWS' PUNDITS DRIVE UP THE RATINGS. I DON'T THINK IT ACCPLISHES MUCH.

>> Brown: TOM, YOUSAID THERE MIGHT BE REASONABLE SEE THATHE WHITE HOUSE THAT THEY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.

>> THEIR NUMBERS A DROPPING. YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE ENVIRONMT. YOU WANT TO CHGE THE NDSCAPE. YOU ALSOAVE A SITUATION WHERE YOU' HAD A FEW STORIES THAT SORT OF H THEIR ORIGINS OR FIRSTOT VOICE ON FOX. THE VAN JONES STY. A ITE HOUSE OFFICIA ULTIMATELY HAD TO SEP DOWN. THE ACORN STORY. I THINK THEY WANTED TO TRY AND PUT A STOP TO AT. THE OTHER THING HERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT VARIOUS CONSTITUENCIES WHEN YOU'REHE WHITE HOUSE TH YOU'RE TRYING TO PUMMEL AND WORK. THE OTHER MEDI ARE ONE OF THEM CASUAL VIEWERS OF FOX ARE ANOTHER ONE. PRESUMABLY PART OF THEIR CALCULATION THAT PEOPLE WHO ARDIE-HARD FANS OF O'REILLY ARE HANNITY ARE NOT GOING TO BE WON OVERY THE OBAMA WHITE HOUSE. YOU DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THEM.

>> Bwn: CAN I STOP YOU THOUGH. THE THER MEDIA" PART. EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE BEUSE THAT'S THE ECHO CHAMBETHAT WE TALK ABOUT A LOT HERE.

>> SOMETHING MAY HAPN IN ONE PIECE OF THE MEDIA WORLD AND IT COULD B THAT KND OF TALK. BUT TH IT GETS OUT.

>> YEAH. WE, PART OF THAT HO CHAMBER ARE EV JOURNALTS WITHIN FOX WHO SEE THEMSELVES AS PART WHAT JANE DESCRIBES AS YOU KNOW, THE OER PART OF FOX WHO, IF THEY ASPIRE TO CERTAIN SORTS OF JOUALISTIC NORMS, YOU KNOW, M NOT WANT TO... MAY NT TO DISTANCE THEMSELVES FROM SE OF THE PROGRAMMING ON FOX. YOU CAN HAVE A SUBE IMPACT ON FKS LIKE THAT. THERE IS AN ECHO CHAMBER I MEAN THE MEDIA ARE ALL IN THE SAME METAPHORICAL ROOM. THEY ALL ARE INFLUENCED BY THE SAME MESSAGES, YOU KNOW. WE HAVE AN OLD SAYING IN THE NEWS BUSINESS THAT YOUE ONLY AS GOOD AS THE DUMBEST G AT THE PRESS CONFERCE. BEUSE EVERYONE IS GOING TO ASSUME THAT YOU ALL ASKHAT MB QUESTION.

>> I THINK WHAELSE IS GOIN ON IS THE BY FUR INDICAON IN THE MEDIA. MS-NBC HAS FINCED ITSELF AS THE ANTI-FO THEY HVESAID BICALLY WE'RE GOING TOAVE OUROSTS KEI OBERMAN, WE'RE GOINGO HAVE THOSE HOSTS, THEY GOT INTO SOME DISPUTE EVEN WITHI NBC OUT HAVING THEIR HOFS BE THEIR NEWS ANCHORS TO CONVENTION COVERAGE. THEY HAVE FAIONED THEMSVES ANTHEIR HOSTS AS WRE GOING TO BE THE ALTEATIVE. WE'RE GOING TO GO TER THE PEOPLE THAT WE THINK ARE, YOU KNOW,IBELING OBAMA. CNN IS YING T PLAY IT DOW THMIDDLE. WE HAVE A CLIMATE TODAY WHERE OPINN IS WHAT DRIVES THE NEWS. MUCH MORE THAN IUSED TO. TO CANPEAK HISTORICALLY TO THIS. WE HAVE I THINK A VERY UNUSUAL SITUATION WHER THERE'S NOT A T OF PERCENTAGE, IF YOU LOOK AT WHOA GS THE MO ATTENTN. DOING JUST THE FACTS, MA'AM. YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF JOURNALISM I THINK AOT OF PEOPLE VALUE BUT THE RATINGS ARE DRIVEN B CHAITHROWINGAL NOW WE HAVE ONE CHNEL THAT IS FASHIONING ITSELF WH PUNDITONE WAY AND ANOTHER ANOTHER WAY. CNN IS TRYING TO PL IT STIGHT. FOX HAVING THE HIGHEST RATINGS I THINK THEY'V HAD IN ALL THE YEARS TH'VE HAD WH THEY'VE BEEN DOING ABOUT OBAMA.

>> Brown: GO AAD.

>> I WAS JUS GOING TO SAY THAT THAT IS NOT OUT OF THE ORDINARY. WHEN A PARTY IS OUT OF POWER, IT'S TICAL FOR THE OPINION DIA REPRESTING THE DIMPOWERED TO RISE UP. I MEAN THENATION BENEFITED IN TERM OF CIRCULATION WHEN A RY LIBERAL MAGAZINE WEN BUSH WAS IN POWER. E AMERICAN SPECTATOR ON TH OTHER HAND, A VERY CONSERVATIVE MAGAZINE RELY THRIVED EN BILL CLINTON WAS IN OICE. THIS IS A SOMEWHAT NEW PHENOMENON THAVE A CABLE CHANNEL OR TWO CABLE CHANNELS DECIDE THAT THEY'RE GOINTO OPERATE RY MUCH IN THAT REALM AND SORT O BECOME THE VOICE OF T ANR AND THE FRUSTRATN AND THE OUTRAGE AND THE NSE IMPOTENCE THAT THE FAR EDS OF A PAY MAY FE WHEN THE HER GUYS HAVE ALL THE CHOI.

>> Brown: WE JUST HAVE A MINUTE HERE. IEFLY. YOU THOUGHTHAT IN IS CASE E PRESIDENTHOULD... HE SHOULDN'T AVOID FOX, RIGHT?

>> I THINK HE SULDN'T AVOID FOX. I THINK HE DID WELL FOR HIMSF ON O'REILLY. I INK YOU GO BACK WHERE YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TOET A FAIRHOT ON ANY OF THESE NETWOR. I THINK YOU R THE RIS JUST AS WHEN THE WHITE HOUSE SAID SE US THOSE EMAILS. EMAIL US. I THINK U LOOK WEAK IF YOU, KNOW, PEOPLE ARE SAYING U CAN TALK TO... YO CAN'T TALK TO US. HOW CAN U TALK TO THE PRESIDENT OF IRAN? IT'S TOO GD AARGET, TOO FAT A TARGET.

>> Brown: YOU SEE... DOES HISTORYUGGEST AN ALTERNATIVE TO JOOWN SOMETHING.

>> HIORY SUGGESTS WHEN YOU'RE THE PREDENT YOU CAN CUT PEOPLE OFF A TURN THEM BACK ON. THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION D THIS WITH THE "NEW YORK TIS". D OTHERS. NO ONE IS GOING TO NOT TALK TO U IF YOU'RE THE PRESIDENT. YOU REAL HAVE THE... YOU'RE IN THE CAPTAIN'SEAT.

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