The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer : WETA : October 16, 2009 7:00pm-8:00pm EDT; The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer

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>> Lehrer: GOOD EVENG. I'M JILEHRER. ONHE NEWSHOUR THIS FRIDAY, THE LEAD STORY FRAUD IN THE AFAN ELECTIONSAY FORCE A NEW ROUND OF VOTING. UDY WOODRUFF HAS OUR COVERAG THENAFTER THE OTHER NEWS OF THE DAY, MARGET WARNER TALKS TO A FORMER CI OFFICER WHO CHAIRED AN AFGHANISTAN LICY REIEW FOR THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION; JEFFREY BROWN LOOKS ABIG LOSSES AND BIG PRITS AT BIG BANKS MARK SELDS AND MICHAEL GERSON ANAYZE THE NEWS OF THE WEEK; RAY SUAREZ TS AN UPDATE ON THE POWER STRUGGLE IHONDURAS; AND TOM BEARDEN TELLSHE STORY OF A LORADO ARMY BASE HIT HARD BY WAR CASUALTIES. >>NE OF THE THINGS THAT COMES WITH SIX YES IN IRAQ AND EIGHT YEARS INFGHANISTAN IS WE'VE ALLOST SOMEBODY. EVERNE HAS LOST A FRIEND. MAJOR FUNDI FOR THE NEWSHOUR WITH JIM HRER IS PROVIDED BY: ( HARD ROCK GUITAR RIF PLAYING ♪ ♪

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>> Woodruf THE "POST" STORY CAME ON A DAYF FURTHER VIOLENCE ITHE COUNTRY. UR AFGHANS, AT LEAST TWO OF HEM CIVILIANS, WERE KILLED I GHAZNI PROVINCE, AFTER A JOI INTERNATIONAL AFGN FORCE LAUNCHED A RAID OF SERAL HOMES WHERE MILITAS WERE SUSPECTED HIDING. >>HE INSURGENTS DON'T HAVE Y RESPECT FOR THE VILIANS IN THE EA, BECAUSE THEY REGULARLY P THEM IN HARM. AND IN THICASE, UNFORTUNATELY, THERWERE DEATHS, BUT YOU HAVE SEEN AT AGAIN AND AGAIN ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

>> Woodruff: MEWHILE, THE U.S. MILITARY ANNOUNCED THE ATHS OF FOUR AMERICAN TROS IN A BOMBING YESRDAY, BRINGING THE NBER OF U.S. FORCES KILLED THIS MON TO 25. THAVIOLENCE COMES AGAINST THE BACKDROP OAFGHANISTAN'S ONGOING POLITIL INSTABILITY. TODAY'S "WASHINGTON PO" STORY CITED ANONYMOUS OFFICIALOURCES WHO CLAIMED THE COUNTRS ELECTORAL COMPLAINTCOMMISSION HAD ACHED WHAT THEY CALLED A "STUNNING" CONCLUSION THOSE SOURCES SAID, WITH FRAUDULENT BALLOTS DISCOUNTD, PRESIDENT HAMID KARZAS VOTE TALLY WOULD FALL FROM 55%O 47%, TRIGGERING A RUNOFAGAINST HIS CLOSEST COMPETIR. THAT'S FORMER AFGHAN FOIGN AFFAIRS MINISR, ABDULLAH ABDUAH.

>> MY PFERENCE IS GOING FOR A SECOND ROUND. WE ARE READY, AND I VE NOT DISMTLED THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF OURAMPAIGN, THOUGH THE CAMPAIGN WILL DIFFERENT THIS ME.

>> Woodff: THE TIMING OF ANY RUNOFF ELECTION IS UNCLEAR THE U.S. AND ITS NATO AIES WANT VOTING TTAKE PLACE IN EARLY NOVBER TO AVOID THE HARSH AFGHAN WINTER. BUT THE AFAN AMBASSADOR TO THE U.S. HAS SAID TH MAY BE IMPOSSIB. SECRETARY OF STATE HILLA CLINTON TOLD CNN A NEW ECTION COD BE CARRIED OUT SOON, BUT

>> IT GOT OSE TOS 50 PLUS 1 ERCENT SO I THINK E CAN CONCLUDE THATHE LIKELIHOOD OF HIM WINNG A SECOND ROUND ISROBABLY PRETTY HIGH.

>> Woodruff: THE NAL REPORT FR THE ELECTORAL COMMISSION COULD COME OUT AS EARLY A TOMORROW. AND FOR MORE ON WHERTHINGS AND, WE HAVE ONE OF THE WRITERS OF THAT "WASHITON POST" STORY. KAREN DEYOUNG IS THE SENIOR DIPLOMATIC CRESPONDENT. SHE JOI US NOW FROM THE PER'S NEWSROOM. KAREN, THANKOU FOR TALKING TH US.

>> THANK OU, JUDY.

>> Woouff: YOU CITE SOURCES WH KNOWLEDGE FOR WHAT THELECTORAL COMPLAINTS COMMISSION AS FINDING THE RELTS STUING. WHAT EXACY DID THEY FIND?

>> WHAT THEYOUND WAS THAT FROMHEIR SAMPLI, AND THEY DIDN'T LOOK AT ALL THE -- VOTES,THEY TOOK WHAT THEY CONSIDERED A REPRESENTATIVE MPLE THAT PRESIDENTARZAI WHO THE NATNAL ELECTORAL COMMISSION HAD FOUND RELIMINARILY RECEIVED 54% OF THE VOTE ACALLY HAD RECEIVED ONLY ABOUT 47%, SOMEWHE IN THE HIGH 40s. AND THAT WOULDRIGGER AS YOUAID INOUR PIECE A RUNOFF BETWEEN H AND HIS -- AND HIS SECRETARY -- HE SECOND IN THE RACE, ABDLAH, ABDULLAH.

>> Woodruff: SAS YOU SAY, THIS WAS JUST A SAMPLING OF LLOT,SO HOW CNCERN CAN THEY BE OF THESE RESULTS.

>> WELL, PRESIDENT KARZAI AND THE OTHER ACTORS IN AFGHANISTAALL AGREED TO THIS COMPLAINTS COMMISSION. THE AGREED TO THE W IN WHICH THEYERE GOING TO SAMPLE THE VOTES. THEY DID ABOUT 3300 POLLI STATIONS. ONLYHOSE IN WHICHIT WAS REPORTED AT 100 PERCENT OF ELIGIBLE VOTERS VOTED, OR 95% OF ALL OF THOSE WHO VOTED, VOTED R ONE CANDIDATE. D THEY TOOK THOSE ANDHEY EXTRAPOLATED ON A LARGER PALLET. AND MOST OF THE COMAINTS, ANMOST OF WHAT THEY FOUND TO BE FRAUDULENTOTES THAT HEY THREW OUT HADONE TO PRESIDE KARZAI.

>> Woodruff: BUKAREN, WHY HAVEN'T THEY ANUNCED THIS YET?

>> WELL, THEY ARE T SCHEDULED TO ANOUNCE IT UNTIL TOMORROW. THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO NALIZE THEIR RESULTS TODAY, COMMUNICATE THETO THE GOVERNMENT AND THEY ARE SUPSED TO OFFICILY DLARE THEM TOMORROW. NOW PRESIDE KARZAI'S SPOKESMAN HAS AEADY COME UT TODAY AND CHARGED THAT THE COMPLAINTS COMMISSION WAS POLITICALLY MANILATED AND TREFORE HE WILL CONSIDER ANY RESULT THAT THEY ANNOUNCE, A POLITICAL RESULT. AND WILL ANSWER IN KIN HE HAS NEER SAID TH HE ULD ACCEPT OR REJECTHE SULTS OF THE COMPLATS COMISSION.

>> Woodruff: SO WHAT'S THE EXPECTATION? IS ITXPECTED THAT HE GNG TO GO ALONG WITH T SECOND ROUND, WITH T RUNOFF?

>> I DON'T THINKNYBODY KNOWS RIT NOW. THERE IS A LOT OF DIUSSION OING ON BETWEEN THE GHAN ELECTORAL COMMISSIO AND THE COMPLAINTS PANEL THAT'S GOING TO IUE ITS REPOR TOMOOW. THE ELECTORAL CMMISSION SUPPOSEDLY IS QSTIONING THE WAY THE COMPLAINTS COMMISSION D THEIR WORK. AND SING THAT IT'S CONCLUSIONS ARE NOT LEGITIMATE. YOU KNOW, ONE COULD SAY THAT THIS WILLLL END VERY BADLY. ONE COULD ALSO SAY, AND I THINK THIS IS WHAT E OBAMA ADMINISTTION IS HOPING, THAT THIS IS DEMOCRACY AT WORK. THIS IS POLITICALAGGLING AND THAT THEY HOFULLY WILL COME OUT WITH A SOLUTION TH WILL ALLOW THE PROCESS IN AFGHANISTAN TO MOVE FORWARD.

>> NOW I DID SE ONE-STORY THAT QUOTES THFGHAN AMBASSADOR TO THE UNITED STATES WHO IS PART THE KARZAI GOVNMENT AS SAYING THEY DO EXPT A RUNOFF. >>E DID SAY THAT. HE SAID THAT ON THURSDAY IN SPEECH. AND THATAS VIEWED, AGN BYHE OBAMA PPLE, AS SOMETHINGvk RELATIVELY OPMISTIC BECAUSE OF HIS CLOSENESS TO KARZAI, AND LED THEM BELIEVE THAT KARZAI, WHATEVER POLITICAL MAUVERING MAY BE GOING ON RIGHT NOW WOULD IN THE END ACCEPT THE RUFF.

>> KAREN, WHAT ABOUT T TIMING OF THIS? HOW QUICKLCOULD THEY GET THIS DONE? ALSO SAW IT REPORTED THAT BALLOTS HAVE ALREA BEEN PRINTEUP.

>> RIGHT. TH HAVE BEEN ANTICIPATING THIS FOR SOME TIME THE UNITED NAONS HAS BEEN RUNNING THE ELECTIONS ALG WI THE AFGHAN GOVNMENT. BAOTS WERE PRINTEDITH KARZAI'S NAME AND ABDULLAH'S NAME IN LDON A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. THEY'VE BEEN SHIPP TO KABUL. THE INK FOR THE INDELIBL INK ON THE FINGERS HAS BEEN ASEMBLED. THE POING PACKAGES ARE BEI PUT TOGETHER. THE AFGHAN CONSTITUTION REIRES THAT ANY RUNO BE LD WITHIN TWOEEKS OF THE CERTIFED RESULTS. THE AMERICANAND THIRO ALES HAD AGREED SOME TIME AGO THAT IT WLD HAVE TO BE BEFORE THE FIRST WK IN NOVEMBER WAS OVERR IT WOULD BE TO FAR INTO E WTER.

>> Woouff: AND AGAIN ALL THIS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO THE OBAMA ADMINISATION AS THE PRIDENTS ENGAGED IN A STRATEGIC REVIEW, MAKIN A DECISION ABOUT WHETHER T SEND AND HOW MANY MORE TROOPS TO SEND.

>> WELL, I THINK THAT IT COULD GO EITHER WAYOR THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATIN. I THINK THEYARE PRETTY MUCH IN AGREEMENT TH THE CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES TH KARZAI AT LEAST PRELIMINARILYLAIMING VICTORY THAT HASEEN DISPUTED, IS NOT A GOOD SIGN THAT THIS WULD RESULT IN A GERNMENT THAT IS NOT CONSIDERED LEGITIMA, CERTAINLYY MANY AFGHANS. AND ALSO BY MANY OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN AFGHANISTAN. THERE ARE L ITS OF RISKS HAVING A RUNOFF. THERE COULD BE MORE FRAUD ALLEGED. IT COULD, THE COUNTING COULD DRAG ON. ANY NUMB OF BAD THINGS COULD HAPPEN. BUT I THINK ON BANCE AT THIS POINT, THE ADMINISTRATION COIDERS THAT THE ST POP OPTION -- POSSIBLE OPTION. THEY DO EXPECT THAT KARZAI WOULD WIN AND THEN HE WOULD THEN TA OVER IN A MUCH MORE LEGITIMATE POSION AS A PARTNER FOTHEIR POLICY IN AFANISTAN THAN HE IS NOW.

>> Woodruff: AND WHEARD SECRETA OF STATE CLINTON SAY AT A MOMENT AGO, THAT THEY SAY THE LIKE LEEHOOD OF KARZAI WINNING IN A SECOND ROUND.

>> I THINK THAT THAT IS PRETTY SURE. ABDULLAH WAS GVEN 28% IN THE ELIMINARY RESUS THAT THE ELECTORAL COMMISSION ANNOUNCED ST MONTH.

>> Wdruff: KAREN DEYOUNG OF THE "WASHINGTONOST", TNKS VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> Lehre WE'LL HAVE MORE ON AFGHANISTAN LATER IN THE PROGRAM. IN OTR NEWS TODAY, A SUICIDE BOMBING ON A LICE STATION IN PAKISTAN KILLED AT LEAS13 PEOPLE. IT WAS THE LATEST IN STRING OF ATTACKS ACROSS THCOUNTRY TAGETING GOVERNMENT SITES NEWSHOUR CORSPONDENT KWAME LMAN NARRATES OUR REPORT.

>> Holman: THE DOUBLE SUIDE BOMBING HIT THE HVILY PROTECTEDOLICE STATION IN PAKISTAN'S MAIN CITY IN HE ORTHWEST, PESHAWAR. THREE SUICIDE BBERS-- ONE OF THEM A WOMAN-- LAUNCHETHE ATTAK AT THE MAIN GATE. THBLAST DESTROYED PART OF THE OLICE STATION, AND LEFT A GAPING HO IN THE MOSQUE NEXT TO IT. ( translated ): I WASUTSIDE OF MY OFFICE AT THE TIM I HRD ONLY THE SOUND OF THE BLAST. I KNEW STRAIGHAWAY THAT A AST HAD TAKEN PLACE. SAW THERE WAS SMOKE AND DUST EVERYWHERE. AFR THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. >Holman: TODAY'S ATTACK WAS ONE IN A SERIESWEEPING THE COUNTRYN THE PAST 11 DAYS, MANY BELIEVED TO BE THE WO OF THE TALIBAN THEY HAVE INCLUDED HS ON SECURITY FORCES INAHORE, ARMY HEQUARTERS IN RAWALPINDI, AND THE OFFICES OF THE U.N. OD AGENCY IN ISLAMABAD. IN TOTAL, MORTHAN 150 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILD IN THE RISING OLENCE. THE TALIBAN HAVE SAIIT IS DESIGNED TO A AS A WARNING AGAINST THE PAKISTI ARMY'S EXPECTED GROUND FENSIVE GAINST MILITANTS IN SOUTH WAZIRISN, THE TALIBAN'S STRONGHOLD NEARHE BORDER WITH AFANISTAN. THAT OFFENSIVE, AN THE GROWING VIOLENCE, DREW PAKISTAN'TOP POLITIL AND MILITARY LEADERS TO A MEING IN ISLAMABAD TODAY. IN A STATENT AFTER THE MEETING,RIME MINISTER GILANI'S OFFICE VOWEDO "WEED OUT" TERRIST ELEMENTS.

>> Lehrer: A SUICIDE BOMBIN ALSO HIT MOSQUE IN IRAQ, NORTHWEST OF BAGHDA THE BOMBER ONED FIRE ON SUNNI WOHIPPERS GATHERED FOR FRIDAY PRAYERS IN TAL AF. HEILLED 15 PEOPLE BEFORE DETONATING HIS EXPSIVES. 95 OTHERWERE WOUNDED IN THE ATTACK. S. HEALTH OFFICIALS WARNED T H1N1 "SWINE" FLUIRUS IS HITTING HDER AND EARLIER THAN EXPECTED. THE CENTERS FOR DIASE CONTROL AND PREVENTIOREPORTED FLU ACTIVITY IS NOW WIDESPREAIN 41 STATES. IN ATLANTA, THE HEAD THE C.D.C. SAID MORE CHILDN HAVE DIED IN THE SPAOF A FEW WEEKS THAN TYPICALLY D IN AN ENTIRE FLSEASON.

>> THERE ARE NOW A TOTAL O86 CHILDREN UNR 18 WHO'VE DIED FROM THE H1N1 INFENZA VIRUS. ABOUTALF OF THE DEATHS WE'VE SEEN IN CHILDREN SINCE SEPTEER 1 HAVE BEEN OCCUING IN TEENS BETWEEN THE AGES OF 12 D 17. THESE ARE VERY SOBERI STATISTICS AND, UNFORTUNATEL THEY ARE LILY TO INCREASE.

>> Lehrer: FEDERAL HEAL OFFICIALS ALSO WAED OF A DELAY IN PRUCTION OF THE SWINE FLU VACCINE. 40 MILON DOSES WERE EXPECTED TO BE READY BY THE END OF OCTOBER. BUT NOW, ONLY S MANY AS 30 MILLION WILL BDISPERSED BY THE THE U. BUDGET DEFICIT FOR 2009 SOARED TO A RECORD HH $1.42 TRILLION. IT'S THE HIEST SINCE WORLD WAR II. GOVERNMENT DA RELEAS TODAY ATTRIBUTED MUCH OF TO A DR IN TAX REVENUE AND TO A RI IN GOVERNMEN SPENDING RING THE RECESSN. UNDER THE OBAMA ADMINIRATION WAR COSTS HAVE BEEN INCLUDEDN THE BUDGET. THE BU ADMINISATION EXUDED THEM FROM OFFICAL FICIT PROJECTIONS. A RALLY ON WL STREET THAT STARTED MID-WEEK CAME TON END TODAY. STOCKS FELL ON DISAPPNTING EARNING REPORTS FROM BK OF AMERICA AND GENERAL ELERIC. THE DOWONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE LOST 67 POINTS TO CLE AT 9,996. THE NASDAQ LL 16 POINTS TO CLOSE AVE 2,156. FOR THE WEEK, THE DOWAINED MORE THA1%; THE NASDAQ ROSE EIT TENTHS OF A PERCENT. AUTHORITIES IN COLORADO ID TODAY THERE WAS NO IDENCE THE BIG COLORADO BALLOON IIDENT WAS A HOA THE SILVER HELIUM BALLN TRAVELED 50 MILES OR TWO HOURS YESTERDAY,ND WAS BELIEVED TO HAVE A SIX-YEAR-OLD BOY ON BOARD. THAT PROMPTEA MASSIVE RESCUE EFFORT BEFORE HEAS FOUND HIDING IN HIFAMILY'S GARAGE. LAST NIGHT, THE BOTOLD CNN, "WE DID THIS F A SHOW", BUT TODAY, H FATHER INSISTED HIS SOWAS JUST CONFUSED BY THE QUESTION. STILL TO COME ON THE WSHOUR TONIGHT: THE LATEST BANK STATENTS; SHIELDS AND GSON; HONDURAS UPDATE; AND FORT CARSON'S FALLE THAT FOLLOWS MO ON AFGHANISTAN,ND WE GO TO MARGARET WARNER FOR THA

>> Warn: WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA UNVEILED HIS FIRST STRATEGY OR AFGHANISTAN AND PAKTAN LAST MARCH, UCE RIEDEL WAS THERE. HE'D CHAIRED THE HIGLEVEL REVI THAT RECOMMENDED A BROAD COUNTER-IURGENCY CAMPAIGN IN THE REGION AGAINST AL QAEA. RIEDEL'S SPENT A LITIME STUDYING THAT TERRORIST GUP AND ITS ROOTS, ROUGH THREE DECADES T THE CIA, WITH POSNGS TO TOP JOBS AT THE PENTAGON AND THE NATIOAL SECURITY COUNL. LAST YEA HE RELEASED A BOOK, "E SEARCH FOR AL QAEDA: ITS LEADERSHIP, IDEOGY AND FUTURE." SPOKE WITH HIM TODAY AT THE BROINGS INSTITUTION, WHERE HE A SENIOR FELLOW.

>> BRUCRIEDEL, THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US.

>> PLEASURE.

>> Warner: YOU CHAIREDTHE INTERAGENCY COMMITTEE TH LEATHE FIRSTBAMAFGHAN PAKISTAN SATEGY. APPEARNOW AFGHANIST MAY BE GOINGO A RUNOFF ELECTION. DO YOU THINK THAT IS A GOO THING OR DOES FURTER COMPLITE THINGS.

>> I TNK ON THE WHOLE IT IS GOOD THING. BEUSE THE SECOND ROUND OFFERS E OPPORTUNITY TO T LEGITIMACY INTO E AFGHAN PITICAL SYSTEM. BUT IT'S GOT TO BE A SECD ROUNDHAT FIXE THE MISTAKES OF THE FIRST ROU. NO MORE GHOST POLLING TATIONS. NO MO FRAUD, NO MORE CORPTION. AND THAT MANS THE U.N. D INRNATIONAL COMMUNITY NEEDS TO BEAR MORE INVOLVED IN THIS RUNOFF ELECTION TN IT WAS IN NDLING THE FIRST ELECTI. Warner: NOW HOW DOES, MEANWHILE, THE INTEIFIED VIOLENCE IN PISTAN, HOW DOES THAT FURTHER COMPLICATE THE PICTU FOR THE PRESIDENT?

>> WELL, THE SITUATION IN PAKISTANTODAY IS EXTREMELY VOLATILE, VERYCOMBUSTIBLE AND VERYLUID. THE GOOD NS IS THATHE KISTANI PEOPLE SEEM TO HAVE FINALLYRECOGNIZED THAT THE JIHADISTS ARE THREAT TO THEIR FREEDOMS. AND THE GOOD NEWS IS ASO HAT THE PISTANI ARMY NOW TAKING ON T JIHADISTS IN A REAL WAY. IT'S CRITICAL WHEN THE PAKISTANIS FALLY DOING THESE THGS THAT WE SEND THE SIGNAL OF RESOLVE AND DETMINATION ACROSS THE BORDER. >YOU MEAN IN AFGNISTAN?

>> EXACTLY.

>> YOU WERE AT T CIA WHEN THE CIA ARMED BO THE AFGHANUJAHEDIN AND FOREGN FIGHTERS TO OUST THE SOVIETS IN THE 0s. WHAT DID YOU LEARN IN THAT PEOD ABOUT AFGHANISTAN THAT IS SORT SPECIAL AND PARTULAR ABOUT AFANISTAN THAT YOU THINK SHOULD GUIDE THE PRESIDENT'S THINKING, U.S. INKING NOW AS IT IS REVIING THE STRATEGY. > IT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION. RARELY IN ONE LIFETIME DO YOU GET TO FIGHT THE SAME WAFROM TWO SIDES TH'S WHAT WE'VEONE. WE FOHT AN INSURGENCY AGAST THE SOVIETS IN T 1980s BLLIANTLY FROM A SAFE HAVEIN PAKISTAN. NOW WE FACE AN INSURGENCY IN AFGHANIST FUELED BY A SAFE HAVEN IN PAKTAN. THE ONE THING WE KNOW FROM THESE TWO WAR AS LONG AS THE ENEMY HAS A SAFE HAVEN IN PAKISTANYOU CAN TO THE DEFEAT THM.

>> Warner: T WHAT ABOUT AFGHANISTAN ITSELF? I MEAN THE ARE HISTORIANS AND EXPERTS O S BOTH BY HISTORY AND GEOGRHY AND CULTUREHEY JU REGARD ANY FOREIGNER AS AN INVADER AND THEY WILL ALWAYS ULTIMATELY REPEL TT INVADER. ARE NOWN THAT SITTION OURLVES?

>> THERES A LOT OF TALK ABOUT GRAYARD OF EMPIRES THAT AFGHANISTAN IS INETABLY A PLACE WHERE EVERYONE FAILS. WELL, FIR OF ALL IT'S BAD HISTORY. ALEXANDER THE GREAT DIDN'T FAIL IN AFGHANISTAN. HE CATED KANDAHAR. T BRITISH DIDN'T FAIL IN AFGHANIST, THEY GOT A PROTECTORATE WHI IS WHAT THEY WANTED. THE SOETS DID FAIL BECSE THEY FACED A NATIONALIST UISING OF VRTUALLY EVERY AFGHAN. E DON'T FA THAT. WE FACE AN UPRISINGMONG A MINORITYOF PASHTUNS, IS IS NOT A HOPELESS CSE YET. >>arner: IF THE REAL ENEMY AS THE ESIDENT SAYS IS AL QAEDA, AS WE ALL KNOW MOST OF THE AL QADA LEADERSHIP IS NOW IN PAKISTAN. SO WHYS IT -- IS IT STILL IMPORTANT TO HAVE A HUGE EFFORT IN AFGHANISTA

>> U KNOW, I THK WE NEED TOBE CAREFUL HERE. WDON'T KNOW WHERE THE MOST IMPORTANT AL QAE LEADERSHIP IS. ANNE WHO TELLS YOTHEY KNOW WHERE A QAEDA IS SHOULD ANSWER THE QUESTION ERE IS OSAMA BIN LADEN. SO BEFORWE THROW AROU THINGS SAYING EY ARE ALL IN PKISTAN, LET'S BEARIN MIND THE LMITS OF WHA WE OW. WHAWE KNOW IS THAT TH HAVE TRADITIALLY OPERATED IN THE BORDERLANDSETWEEN AFGHANISTAN AND PAKISTAN, ING BACK AND FORTH. AFANISTAN REMAINS IMPORTANT TOHEM. IF FOR NOTHING ELSE AS A SYMBOL. IF THEY CAN DEFEAT US IN AFGHANISTAN, THEY WILL TRUMPET THAT THISIS THE SECOND SPERPOWER THAT THEY'VE FEATED IN THE SAME PLACE. IT WILL VE ENORMO RONANCE THROUGHOUT THE ISLAMIC WLD.

>> Wner: SO ARE YOU CONVINCED THAT IF THE U.S. HALESS OF A PRESCE IN AFGHISTAN, ND IF THE TALIBAN WERE -- ONE THAT THE TALIBANOULD BE RESURGENT, LET'S JUST STARWITH THAT. DO YOU THINKO?

>> I THINK THE EVIDCE IS THERE. THE TALIBAN S STAD ONE OF THE MOST REMARKABLE MILITARY COMACKS IN MODERN HISTORY ITHE LAST SEVEN YEARS. WHY? BECAUSE WE MISMAGED THIS WAR. E FAILED TO PRODUCE ENOUGH RESOURCES INTO IT. WE DIDN'T PUT ENOH TROOPS, ENOUGHONEY INTO IT.

>> rner: AND THEN WHAT IS THE NATURE, DO YOU THINK TODAY, OFHE RELATIONSHIP ACTUALLY BETWEEN THE LIBAN AND AL QAEDA?

>> I THINK THE RETIONSHIP BEWEEN THESEWO CONTINUES TO BEONE OF A STRONG BOND. ARTICULARLY AMONG THE TOP LEADERS. MULLAH OMAR AND BIN LADEN. BI LADEN CONTINUES TO SWEAR ALLEANCE TO MULLAH OMAR ON A PERIODIC BASIS. IF YOU OK AT THESE TW WHAT REMARKABLE ABOUT THEIR RELATIONSHIPSOT FRICTION, BUT THEY IN 13 YEARTHEY'VE HUNG TGETHER. NOW THEY THI THEY ARE ON THE VERG OF VICTY IN GHANISTAN AND PAKISTAN. THEY'RTO THE GOING TO BREAK APART NOW.

>> NOW IN YO BOOK,YOU SAID THAT AFGHASTAN IN PARTICULAR IS VERY IORTANT TO AL QUITE AND NOT JUST FOR THE SOR OF PUBLIC RELATIONS REASOTHAT YOU STATED EARLIER. PLAIN THAT.

>> AFGHANISN IS THE PLACE WHERE BIN LADEN ZAWAHIRI AND MANY THE OTHER TOP PEOPLE IAL QUITE -- AL QAEDAAD THEIR FORMATIVE EXPEENCE. THIS IS WHE THEY BEGAN TO INK ABOUT POLITICS ABOUT LIFE. IT WAS IN THE STRUGGLE AGAINST THE SOVIET UNION A CONFLICT WHI THEY BELIEVE THEWERE THE CRITICAL DCISIVEPLAYERN, AND THE AGENT OF GOD. FOR THEM AFGHANISTAN IS THE BLEEDG PLACE WHERE THEY DESTROYTHEIR ENEMIES.

>> Warner: MEANI WHERE THEY MAKE BLEED.

>> EXACTL Warner: NOW IN THE STRATEG REVIEW, AND ALSO IN YOUR BOOK, YOU AOCATED AND ADVOTE MASSIVE INVESTMENT IN DEVELOPMENT, IN ECOMIC SECURITY, IN GOVERNANCE. THERE ARE AIN MANY WHO SAY FGHANISTAN'S NEVER HAD A STRONG CENTRAL GOVERNMEN A STRONG FUNCTIONING OPERION LIKE THAT. D IT'S REALLY A FOOL'S ERRAND FOR US TO GET MIRED IN THAT. AFGHANISTAN SHOULDN'T BE MEASURED AGAINST THE STANDARDS O THE UNITED ATES OR WESTERN EUROPET SHOULD BEEASURED AGAINST THETANDARDS OF TH REGION IT WORKS IN. WE DON'T VE TOBUILD A MODERN STATE IN AFGHANISTAN TO IMPROVE IT. SIMPLY BUILDING ROADS SO THAT FMERS CAN GET TIR CROPS TOARKET WILL FUNDAMENTAY CHANGE THE DYNAMICOF THIS COUNTRY.

>> AND IF YOUOMPARE WHAT WEAVE BEEN DOING AD WHAT YOU THINK SHOULD DO IN AV BAN STAND WI SAY WHAT THE SOVIETS DIDTHEY DID SME INFRTRUCTURE BUILDING. WHY DID THAT GO TO AWRY?

>> THE SOVTS WHILE THEY DID MAKE SOME INVESTMES IN INFRASTRUCTURE, BASILLY TOOK AN ATTITUDE OF WE'RE GOING TO DRIVE THE POPULATION OUT OF THE COUNY. THEY FORCED A THIRD OF GHANSNTO REFUGEE STRATUS IN AFGHANISTAN AND IN PAKISTAN AND IRAN. THEY CARPET BOMB CITIES LIKE KANDAHAR. TO COMPARE THESE TWO I TO COMPE NOT APPLES AND ORANGES, BUT STEEL AND SAND. THIS JT NOT AT ALL COARABLE IN TERM OF THE WAY WE'RE OPERATING VERSUS THE WAY THE SOVIETS WERE OPERATG.

>> Warner: AND DO YOU INK THAT THE ITED STATES HAS ANY KIND OF MORAL OBLIGATION TO STAYN AFGHANISTAN UNTIL IT'S SET RIGH >WELL, WE'VE CEAINLY ASKEA LOT OF THE AFGHAN OPLE OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS. WE ASKED THEM TOIGHT THE SOVIET UNI. WE'VE ASKED THEM SIN 2001 TOELP USIGHT AL QAEDA AND THE TALIN. YES, I THINKWE DO HAVE SOME MORAL OBLIGION HERE. BUTABOVE ALL, IT'S O NATIONAL SECURITY INTERES TO DO THIS. THE THREAT TO THE UNED STATES THAT WAS POSED BY AL QAEDA REMAINS SERIOUS AND DANGEROUS. WE JUST HAVE SEEN THISALL THAT AL QAEDA WAS TRYING TO CARRY OUT ANOTHER MAS CUALTY ATTACK IN THE UNIT STATES BYECRUITING AFGHANMERICAN TO DO SOME KIND OF DAMAGE. THE POINT RE IS THAT AL QAEDA SAW IN HIM AN OPPTUNITY TO STRIKE AGAIN INDE THE UTED STATES OF AMERICA.

>> Warner: AND YOU DON'T THINK THAT ACTUALLY OU BEININ AFGHANISTAN MAKES THAT KIND OF THI MORE LIKELY?

>> NO, I DON'T. I THINK AS LONG AS AL QAED AS ITS PRCIPAL SONGHOLD, SAFE HAVEN ALG THE BORDER BETWEEAFGHANISTAN AND PASTAN, THAT POSES THE EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO THE UNITED STES.

>> Wner: BRUCE RIEDEL, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> Lehrer: WE WL HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATIONS ABOUT AHANISTAN D U.S. POLICY IN THE DAYS AHEAD. NEXTWHAT'S BEHIND SOME BIG PROFITS-- AND BIG LOSS-- FOR THE BANKS ON WALL STREE FFREY BROWN HAS THE STORY.

>> Brown: IRECENT DAYS, MAJOR BANKS HAVE REPORTED THEIR TRD- QUARTER EARNGS, AND IT'S A XED PICTURE. SEVERAL, INUDING GOLDMAN SACHS ANJ.P. MORGAN CHASE, REPORTED CONSIDERABLE PROTS, WHILE OTHERS CONTIN TO BE HURT BY LO LOSSES AND OTHER PROBLEMS IN THE BROADER ECOMY. NOTABLE AMONG THE LATTER GUP IS BANK OF AMERICA, WCH IS ALSO PLAGUEBY THE CONTINUING FALLOUT FM ITS ACQUISITION OF MERRILL LYNCH LATE LAST YR. JOINI US FOR AN UPDATE IS CLAYTON ROSE, SENIOR LECTURER ATARVARD BUSINESS SCHOOL. LET'START WITH BANK OF AMERICA. IN WH WAYS IS IT FEELING THECONOMY'S CONTINUING PROBLEMS?

>> THE PRIRY PROBLEM THAT THEY HAVE ISHAT THEIR ASSETS, THEIR LOANS ARE TIED TO THE CONMER. AND AS LONG A THE CONSUMER IS BTH UNEMPLOYED AT A MUCH GHER RATE THAN WE WOULD AL LIKE, AND ASONG AS THEY CONTINUE TO NOT RCHASE THINGS AND TO SHED DEBT, THEN FIRMS THAT HAVE A CLOSE TIE TO THEIR FORTUNES LIKE BANK OF AMERICAARE GOING TO CONTINUE SUFFER IN TERMS OF EARNINGS.

>> A B OF A IS PARTICULAR VULNERABLEABLE IN THAT AREA?

>> THEYRE. A SUBSTTIAL PORTION OF THEIR ASSETS ARE RELATED TO LOANS BOTH MORTGAES, HOME-EQUI LOANS AND CREDIT CARD LOANS. THAT ARE VERY TIED TO THE CONSUMER. Reporter: NOW IN THE MEANTIME THE BANKS EXECUTIVES AND NOW THE LAWYERS ARE STILL UNDER SOMETHING OF A CLOUD OVER THE MERRILL ACQUISITION. TELL US WHAT HAS HAPPENED JUST IN THELAST COUPLEOF DAY

>> WEL, THE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUTHERE, INVEST REE -- JEFFREY, OR THE ISE AT QUESTIOHERE IS SHOULD BANK OF AMERICA HAVE DISCLOSED IN THE FOURTQUARTER OF 2008 A YEAAGO, THAT THE LOSSES THAT MERRILL WAS SUFFENG DURG THE FOURTH QUART WERE MUCH HIGHER THAN ANTICIPATED AND DISCLOSE THAT TO THE SREHOLDERS AND BANK OF AMERICA BFORE THE VOTE WAS TAKEN TO FORMALIZE THE SALE OF MERRILL TO BA OF AMERICA. BACK OF AMERICA CHOSE NOT TO DISCLOSE THOSE LOSSES BEFORE THE VOTE WAS TAKEN. AND THAT'S THE ISSU WHETHER THEY SHOULD HE DONE THAT. AND WHETH THERE WAS SOME EITHER VIOLATN OF LAW OR ISADVANTAGING THE SHAREHOLDERS THERE. IN THE LAST FEW DA, BANK OF AMERICA HAS REVERSED THE POSITION THAT THEY H HAD. ANDHAT IS THAT THEY SAID THATHEY WEREOPERATING, THEIR EXUTIVE, UNDER TH GUIDAN AND ADVICE OF THEIR LAWRS. BUT THAT THEWERE NOT WILLING REVEAL WHAT IT IS THEIR LAWYERS H TOLD THEM BECAUSE OF T ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILI. AND FO WHATEV PAICULAR REANS, BANK OF AMERICA HAS RERSED THAT POSITI AND ISOW GOINGTO ALLOW TH AUTHORIES BOTH IN CONGRESS AND I BELIEVE IN THEEW YORK ATTORNEYENERAL'S OFFICE TO RIEW THE ADVICE THAT THEIR ATTORNEYS HAD GIVEN THEM.

>> ALL RIT. NOW IF WE BROADEN OUT THE PICTURE A BITAS I SAID, SOMBANKS, NOTABLY GOLDMAN SACHS ARE MAKINGUGE PROFITS. NOW HOW DOES THAT VE WITH WHAT YOU WERE JUST SAYING ABOUT THE PROBLEMS AT B OF A WITH CONSUER LOANS, MORTGAGE LENDING. EXPLIN THE DISNNECT THERE?

>> A OD QUESON. THE WALLTREET AND THE FINANCIAL INSTRY IN GENERAL DONOT ALL ERATE IN THE SAME SECTOR. BANK OF AMERICA AS WE'VE DIUSSED IS MORE HIGHLY FOCUSED O THE COUMER SIDE OF THE BUSINE THAN THEIR SSETS ARE MUCH MORE SENSITIVE TO THE FORTUNES OF THE COUMER. OTHERIRMS, GOLDMAN SACHS IS THE EXAMPLE YOU'VE USED, HAVE DIFFERENT BUSINESS MODEL AND ARE TIED EITHER TO TRADING THEIR OWN CAPITAL AND OR ARE TIED TO E BUSINS SECTOR. ITHE CASE OF A COMPANY LIKE GOLDMAN SACH MUCH OF THE EARNINGS THAT THEY HAVE GENERATED IN THIQUARTERN PARTICULAR RELATES TO TWO TNGS. ONE IS TRADING FOR THE OWN ACCOUNT, USI THEIR OWN CAPITAL AS WELL AS TRADING FOR EIR CLIENTS, INSTITUTIONAL INVESTORS AMONG OTHERS, AND THAT IS NOT TIEDTO THE CONSUR AT ALL. IN FACT THAT'S TIED TO THE VOLATILITY,THE MOVEMENTN THE BOND MARKET AND IN E STOCK MARKET, AND AN UPWD TREND IN THO MARKETS ALSO TEDS TO FUEL EARNINGS HISTORICALLY. AND AS WEL, THESE FIRMS HAVHAD ASSETS ON THEIR BALANCEHEETS THAT A YEAR GO WHEN WE WERE INHE DEPTHS OFHE CRISIS THEY WERE WRITINGDOWN VERY AGGRESSIVELY AS THERISIS SEEMS TO HAVE SUBSIDED HERE. AND THOSE ASSET VALUES HAVE BEEN BUOYED, THEY'VE BEEN RIDI THEM UP A BIT STHEY ALSO GET A TAILWIND ROVERING SOME OF THE VALUE OF THE ASSETS TH WERE ON THEIR BALAE SHEET. SO WHILE THEY'REALL PART OF THE SAME FINANCI SECTOR HEY ARE REALLY OPATING IN DIFFERENT RTS OF THE BUSINESS.

>> AN LET ME JUSTSK YOU IN OUR LAST MINUTEERE, DO, IS THAT TEMPORARY PHENOMENON OR OU SE A KIND OF LONG-TERM SITUATION OF MORE HAVEs, HAVE NOTS, SOME FIRMS DOI WELL, OTHER PERHAPS NO

>> I CERTAINLY THINTHERE WILL BEAVEs AND HAV NOTS WHICH IS PART OF A MARK SYSTEM GENERALLYUT WE ARE IN A VERY UNIQUE PIOD. I THINK TAT THOSE FMS HAT HAVE THEIR FORTUNES TIED TTHE CONSUMER LIKE BANK OFMERICA ARE GOING TO HAVEO WAIT FOR THE ECOMY REALLY SBILIZE AND START GROWING AAIN, IN PARTICULAR TO BEGIN TO SEE UNEMPLOYMEN SUBSIDE AND FALL. AN THAT MAY NOT HAPPEN UNTIL SOME ARGUE THE FIRST QUARTER OR WELLNTO THE SECOND QUARTER OF NEXT YEAR. OTHER FIRMS LIKE GOLDMAN, JPMORGAN AND THOSE THAT HAVE FFERENT MIX OF BUSINESSES, I THINWILL LIKELY DO BETT. INDDITION I THINK THA THOSE FIRMS THAT ARE, AT THE MOMENT, THE EXTRAORDINARY VE RECEIVED EXTRAORDINARY GOVERNMENT ASSITANCE LIKE CITI AND BANK OF ARICA ARE GOING BE HELD BACK IN THEIRBILITY TO MPETE EFFECTIVELY AGAINST THO FIRMS TH ARE NOT UNDER VERNMENT ASSISTANCETHE MOMENT.

>> ALL RHT, CLAON ROSE OF HARVARD BUSINSS SCHOOL, THKS VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, JEFFREY AND TO THE ANALYSIS OSHIELDS AND GERSN. THAT'S SYNDICATED CUMNIST MARSHIELDS AND "WASHINGTON PO" COLUMNIST MICHAEL GERSON. DAVID BROOKS IS OFF TONIT. MAR IS IT ON THE SAME SUBJECT, IS IT FAIR TO SA THAT LOT OFAVERAGE AMERICANS AR REALLY UP SET ABOUT THE HUGE PROFITS AND THEUGE COMPENSATIONHAT IS ALREADY BUN TOETURN TO WALL STREET DO THEY DESERVE TO BE UP SET?

>> THEY DESERVE TO BEP SET. WALL STREET HAS EARNED THE AGE AND THE FUR OF ODE AMERICANS. TWO FIRMS, CITIGROUP A ERRILL LYNCH, LAST YEAR LOST $54 BILLION. AMERICAN TAXPAYER, FIRIGHTERS AND NURSES, AND TEACHERS AND HAIRDRESSERS CAE UP WITH THE MONEY. THEY KNETHAT IT WAS IMPORTANTO KEEP THEM IN BUSINESS. CAME UP WITH $55 BILLIO AS TH ARE LOSING $ BILLION AND BORROWI $55 BILLION FROM THEAMERICAN PEOE TO KEEP THEIR DOORS OPEN, THEY AWARD $9 BILLION IN BUSES TO THEIR OWN PEOE IS THAT A SENSEOF OUTRAGE. IS IT JUSTIFIED? AT THASAME TIME, JIM AS ,000 AMERICANS EVERY DAY ARE LOSING THR ALTH INSURANCE. WHEN FIVE AND A HALF MILLI AMERICANS AROUT OF WORK FOR RE THAN SIX MONTHAND WEAN'T EVEN GET THE CONGRESS, THE NATE IN THIS CASE, TO EXTEND UNEMPLOYMEN BENEFITS TO THESE FOLKS? WITH 424 AMECANS EVERY HOUR HAVING EIR HOMES REPOSSESSED. YEAH, THERIS A SENSE OF RAGE A IT IS TOTALLY JUSTIFIED.

>> Lehrer: TOTAY JUSTIFIED, MICEL?

>> WELL, IT'S CERTAINL THERE. YOU KNOW, IS HARD TO ARGUE WITH THAT SORT OF ATTITUDE. AND MANY AMERICANS FEEL IT LEFT, GHT AND CENTER THIS IS NO A PARTICULLY IEA LLING ISSUETHAT PEOPLE EEL THERE IS A DIFFERENT SET OF RULESOR THE WEALTHY ANDOR THE MIDDLE CLASS. I THINK THAT'S TRUE. HE FACT IS THAT A LOT OF EXECUTIVE CPENSATION ON WALL STET AND OTHER PLACE IS DONE THROUGH BONUSES AND STOCK OPTIONS. IT'S NOT DONE WITH SARIES. THAT'S THE WAY THE COMPETE FOR WORKERS AND YOKNOW, KEEP OPLE IN JOBS. THAT'S THE WAYALL STREET WORKS. AND YOU KNOW, A LOT OF AMERINS ARE ANGRY BUT A SIGNIFICANT NUER ARE HAPPY WHEN TH SEE THE MARKET OVER 10,000, WHICHS ALSO HELPING SOME OF THESE FIRMS ASWELL. ANDOU KNOW, IHINK IFYOU LOOK AT THE FACTS, THE MPENSATION STRATEGIES OF BANKS IN THE RESEAR DON'T REALLYORRELATE VERY WELLITH THE PEORMANCE OF THE BANKS. IT NOT THE KEY FTOR. GREED INOT THE MAIN FACTOR HERE, BUT IT IS CERTAINLY A CAUSE FOA LOT OF RESENTMENT.

>> Lehrer: DO YOSEE THAT RESTMENT -- RESENTMENT WANING OR IS IT GOING TO CONDITION TO BE THERE UNTIL -- CONTINUE TO BE ERE UNTIL THIS WLE THING, I DONE MEAN THE WHOLE THING, B MUCH OF THE ONOMY COVERS. AS LONG PEOPLE ARE STIL HURTING OUT THERE THEY A GOG TO SEE THESE HELINE, REPORTS AND GET UP S. >THERE IS A DIVERSION RIGHT NOW, OR A DVISION IN AMECA BETWEEN THOSE BENEFITTING FROTHE FACT THAT THE ECONOMY AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS IS COMING BACK TO SOME EXTENT. BUT UNEMPLOYMENT IS VERY HIG BUSINESS SART-UPS ARE VERY LOW. E REAL ECONOMY OUT THERE IS LAGGING BEHIND OUR, THE ECONOMY AT THE HEIGH AND I THINK THAT IS GNG TO CAUSE SOME TENSION.

>> Lehrer: Y AGREE WITH THAT, TOO, DO YOU YOU NOT, MARK. IN SOME STRATAS OF THE ECONOMY, NOTHING IS ANGING. CEPT IT IS EITHER REMAINING FLAT OR IT'S NEGATE WHILE AT THE TOP IT'S DOING VERY WEL IT'S SOCIALISM FOR THE RICH. I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THE PEOPL HAVING THEIR HSES REPOSSESSED ARNOT T BIG TO FAIL. THPEOPLE LOSING EIR JOBS. THEY KNOW, 75 YEARS AGO, FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT SAID THE MEASE OF OUR PROGRESS IS NOT WHETHERE ADD MORE TO AT BUNDANCEF THOSE WHO HAVE MU BUT WHETHER WE PROVIDE ENOUGH FORHOSE WHO HAVE TOO LITTLE. I MEAN JUST THINK THIS THING HAS TURN TOTALLY UPSIDE DO AND I THINK THERE IS POLITIC RAGE. I THINK MIKE SELL RIGHT THAT IT'S NOT LEFT, RIT OR CENTER. I JUS THINK WE CAME TO THE RESCUEOF THESE FKS. YES,HEY PUT TH ECONOMY AT RISK. AN NOW THEYALKBOUT THE PAY FOR PERFORMANCE. THEY GET PAID HANDMELY. THEY GET PAID HANDSOMELY WHEN TY REN'T -- AND THEY GOT PAID HANDMEY WITH OUR MONEY. EQUALS ACKER.

>> Lehrer: ALL RIT, LET'S MO ON TO AFGHISTAN, MICHAEL. HOW YOU READ THE TENTIAL OR THEPROBABILITY AT THIS POINT THERE IS GOING TO BE A RUNOFF ELECON?

>> I THINK IT PRETTY MUCH INEVITABLE IF THE ELTORAL COMMISSION, THE U.N ELECTORAL COMMISSION COMES IN WITH A REPT THAT PUTS KARZAI UNDER %. IF HE WERE TO IGNORETHAT REPORT THIS WOUL MOVE FROM BEING A CONTROVERSY ELECTION TO ING A SLEN ELECTION WHICH WOULDN'T WORK FOR HIM ND IT WOULDN'TORK FOR US. THERE IS RLLY VERY LITTLE OPTION HERE. I TALKED WH GENERAL PETRAEUS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ON THIS VERY TOPIC. THE ELECTORAL ISIS IN AFGHANISN, THEYCONSIDER ONE OF THEIR BIGGEST PROBLEMS. AND Y LOOK AT THE IRAQ EMPLE, IT'S INTERESTIG. BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT WAS CASE WRE A LEADER ROSE THE MOMENT, PRIME MINISTER MALIKI, EVYBODY THOUGHT --.

>> Lrer: THEY PUT HIM DOWN AT THE BEGINNING.

>> THE STOOGE THE IRANIAN, THE POOR LEADER. BUT HE THEN TOOK ON THE SHI'A MELISHA, BECA A NATIONAL LEADER. WE REALY NEED KARZAI TO ST INTO THAT ROLE AND TO HAVE STRONG CENTR AUTHORITY AND T TAME THESE CORRUPT WAR LORD AND YOU KNOW IT IS NOT GOING TO WORK WITHOUTT. I THINK THE MILITAR KNOWS THAT. THEY HAVE BEEN PLAN ON IT. IT'S PT OF THE STRATEGY.

>> hrer: DO YOU AGREE, MARK, THAT THE, FORHE OMA ADMINISTRATION'S REVW OF THE POLICY, NEW ELEION AND A LEGIMATE, AT LET A PRESIDENT WHO IS SEEN AS LEGITIMATEIS ESSENTIAL TO A NEWOLICY OR A REAPPRAISAL OF U. POLICY?

>> ESSENTIAL, JIM AND I THINK ANYTHI THAT EVEN LES A WHIFF OR A SCENT OF STOLEN ELECTION ARE, OF CORRUPT ELECTION. WE'RE TALKING WITH ABO IN E REPORT THAT I SAW,UP T ONE-THIRD OF THE ELECTORAL RETURNS BEING IN QUESTION IN THE KARZA AREA, THE OVERWHELMING NUMRS RETURNING. WHERE IN GHOST PRECINCTS, AND SO FORTH. ANYTHING -- IHINK IT MOVES THE DEBATE IN THE CONGRS ANIN THE COUNTRY FROM T HOW --.

>> Lehrer: R COUNTRY. >OUR COUNTRY, NOT FOM HOW WE HELP THISAFGHAN STRUGGLING GOVERNMENT BECOME MORE CREDIBLE, MORE HONEST, MORE RESPONSIV, MORE COMPETENT, BUT WHETHE IN FACT. I MEAN I THINK THAT IF THERE IS A LINGERING QUESTION ABOUT THE CORRUPTI AND I THINK IT'S GONG TO BE VE DIFFILT TO STAGE ANOTHER ELTION. I THINK T INSURGENT WILL MAKE IT DIFFICULTO VOTE. I THINK PEOPLE O TOOK GREAT RISKS THE FIRST TIM ANFOUND OUT THATT WAS A FRAUDULENT OCESS, MAY N PARTICIPATE AT THE SAME LEVEL. I THINK IT IS A VERY, VERY COMICATING DEVELOPMENT.

>> DO YOU AGREE WTH Mr. RIEDEL O TOLD MARGARET THAT THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY, THE UNITED NATNS AND THE REST OF T RLD HAVE TO STEP UPO PLATE TO ME SURE THIS RUNOFF ELECTION IS --

>> I AGEE WITH THAT. A LEGITIMATE PARTN IS A KEY TO ANYCOUNTERINSURGENCY APPROACH TH THE MILITARY WANTS TO TAK UT WE HAVE ANOTHERACTOR THAT IS CING IN HERE. ONE OF -- I THINK THAT THE SITUATION WITH T ELECTION HAS HURT SPORT FOR E IRAQI. WE REALLY HA SOLIDIFIED A UNED FRONT OF OUR N MILITARY IN FAR OF THE McCHRYSTAL STRATEY, THE COUNTERINSURGEN STRATEGY. PETRAEUS, ADMIL MULLEN AND INCREASINGLY IT LKS LIKE ROBE GATES, THE SECRETARY OFDEFENSE, HAVEALLIED AROUND THIS STRATEGY. THESE A PEOPLE AT THE VERY HEIGHT OF THE MILARY REPATION BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPEN IN THE SGE. IFARACKBAMA NOW WERE TO DISREGARD THAT ADVCE T WOULDBE AN EXTRAORDINA DEVELOPMENT. ND THE SIGNS SEEM TO BE THATE IS MOVING TOWARDS AT LEAST THE MODIFIED McCHRYSTAL APPROACH. IT'S GOING BE A TOU LL FOR HIM INHIS OWN PARTY AND THE REST OF THE COUNTRY WHICH IS DPLY SCRIPT CALL BUTTHAT SEEMS TO BE THE DECTION.

>> IT MIGHT EVEN BE A BOOK END TO TH BUSH ADMINIRATION, AS RECALL, WHEN GENERAL ERIC SHINSEKI SAID WE NE 300,000 TROOPS IN IRAQ, AND GENERAL PAUL WOLFOWITSAID NO, NO, WE DON'NEED THAT. IT WILPAY FOR IELF. WHEN GENERAL ANTHON ZII SAID IT WILL BEHE FIRST WESTERNHRISTIAN INVADE AND OCCUPYING ARD OF PRO ISRAELI, ARMYOF A MUSLIM COUNTRY. WHEN THE FORME CENCOM COMMANDE NOW THOSE I UNIFORM ARE BE PDOTAL DENSE. THEN THEY WERE TO B DMISSED. I DON'IN ANY WAY --

>> THE QUESTION ISHETHER WE LO TO GENERAL JOE BIDEN IN THE CIRCUMSTANCE AND THERE IS VERY LITTLREASON TO DO TT.

>> WE LOOKE AT GENERAL PAUL WOLFOTZ AND GENERAL DICK RICHA PEARL AND WE KNOW WHERE THAT GOT US. I LL SAY THIS -- T SPECT AND DENSE THAT IS PAID. HAVE GREAT -- I NOT KNOWENERAL McCHRYSL. HAVE HEARD NOTHING BUT GOOD THINGS ABOUTHIM FROM PEOPLE THAT KNOW HIM. AND I HAVE NO QUTION ABOUT HIS ABILITY OR HIS COMMITMENT. AND I D'T OW IF SECRETA GATES IS GOING TO COME DOWN. I THINK HE WILL BE ENORMOUSLY INFLNTIAL. BU IN THE FINA ANALYSIS WE DO HAVE COMMANDER IN CHIEF. A COUNY DOESN'T FIGHT A WAR, A COUNTRY FIGHTS A WA A COUNTRY ISN'TILLING TO FIGHT A WAR YOU DON'T SEND AN ARMY

>> YOU WOD AGREE WITH MIKELE THAT IFHE PRESIDENT GOES TO A MODIFIED McCHSTAL PLAN IT WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR HIM BECAUSEF THE VWS WITHIN HIS OWNPARTY, HIS OWN VICE ESIDENT, AND GO ON DOWN THE LIS

>> WITHIN THE COTRY.

>> AND I THINK THAT, I THINK THE ELECTIO TODAY MAKES IT EVEN MORE DIFFICUL

>> FINAL, IN A COUPLE MINUTES HEALTH-CARE REFRM, THE SETE FINACEOMMITTEE VOTE, THEOLE OF OLA SNOW, IS SHE ESSENTIALLY IN CRGE NOW?

>> WELL, I THINK THAT SHE IS PLAYING IMPORTANT ROLE HERE. FROM HER PERSPECTIVE A APOPRIATE ONE. IT HELPS BECAUSE THE STRAGY OF THE ADMINISTRATION IS GET 60 VOTES. THIS HELPS WITH TH MARGIN WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE LIKE LEIBERMAAND LINCOLN AND SOMOTHERS THAT MAY QUESTIONABLE. IT PUTS H IN A POSITION OF EXTRAORDINARINFLUENCE WITH SOME DEMOATS, BY THE WAY RESENT. IF SHE CES OUT AND SAY I VOTED FOR THIS IN COMMITTEE, E BAUCUS BILL BECAUSE IT IS MRVELOUSPLAN AND TH THE ARE DIFICATIONS MADE AND YS I CAN NO LONGER SUPPORT IT. THAT IS A BIG DEAL ITIS THE ONE THINTHAT CAN SINK THIS PLAN IN LOT OF WAYS, SO GIVING HER A LOOF POWER. SHE DIDN'TBRING A LOT OF REPUBLICANS ALONGITH HER, NONE, IN FACT. SHE DIDN'T PROVI REPUBLICA A LOT OF REASO TOSUPPORT THE PLA BUT I THK IT WAS A VTORY FOR THE ADMINISTRION.

>> VIORY FOR THE ADMINISTRATION.

>> SURE, VIORY FORLYMPIA SNOWE, TOO. 217EPUBLICANS IN THE CONGRESS. AND THEY'VE OBVIOUSLY CONCLUDED AS A PARTY TH, INSPITE OF THEDMONITIONS URGING EXPECTATIONS PEOPLE LKE HOWARD BAKER D BILL FRIST AND BOB DOLE AND TOMMY THOMPON, AND MARK cCULLEN, ALL OF THE FORM REBLICANS, POTIONS OF LEADERSHIP TO SOMETHING NOW, TO SEIZE THE MOMENT. THEY DECIDED NOT TO. OLYMPIANOWE STEPPED FORWARD. HERE'S THE KE TO UNERSTANDING OLYMPIA SNOWE AND THE REPUBLICS. THE ARE 18 STATES THAT THE DEMOCRATS HVE CARRIED EACH IN THE LASTIVE ESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS. AMONG THEM THEY HAVE 36 UNITED STATES SENATORS. THOSE 18 STATES WEREP BY 34 DEMOCRATS PLUS 36. THE ONLY EXCEPTIONS THAT THEY HAVE MADE. >>EPUBLICANS WOULD DO:k WE TONDERSTAND IF ARE Y GOINGO WIN ELECTIONS STATES THAT THEY ARE T GOING TOARRY OUTSIDE THE OLD SVES AND THE BORR STATES THEY'VEOT TO START TO REACH OUT TO PEOLE LIKE OLYMPIA SNOWE.

>> YOU'RE GNG TO -- WOULD YOU PASS, ON BELF O MARK WOU YOU PASS THAT ON.

>> OKAY.

>> ALL RIGHT, WE'LL LEA IT THERE, THANK YOU BOTH.

>> Lrer: NEXT, ANOTHER TENSE DAY IN HONDURAS. NEGOTIATORS REPRESENNG THE TWO MENHO BOTH CLAIM TO BE PRESIDENT MET AGN. RAY SUAREZ GOT THLATEST FROM THERA SHORT TIME AGO.

>> AND WITH TH WE GO TO SPECIAL CORCOR MARCO BLVE IN THE HONDU CAPIT. MARCELO TKS BETWEEN THE DE FACTO LEADER OF HON DUREAS AND THE OUST PRESIDT HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR MORE THAN A WEEK NO ANY UPDATE ON WHERE THINGS STAND?

>> WELL THERE VE BEEN LOTS OF NEGOTIATIONS YESTDAY AND ALREADY S HOURS TODAY THERE HAS EN A LOT OF PROGRESS, BOTH SIDE HAVE EXPRESSED TIMISM. BUT THEY ARE STILL STUCK ON THE DETAILS OF HOW HE WOULD BE REITATED IN POWER.

>> TS WAS THE DAY THAT PRIDENT SALIA HAD THREATENED THAT HE WLD BRINGIS PEOPLE OUT ON T THE STREET EVEN AS HE IS UNKERED DOWN IN THE BRAZILIANMBASSY. ANYIGN THAT PEOPLE ARE H SUPPORTERS, TAKING ITO THE STREETS IN THE CATAL.

>> YES, EVERY DAY IN THE CAPITAL HERE THE SUPPORTERS ARE OUT IN T STREETS. ORGANIZI MARCHES AT NGHT, HOLDING EVESS IN NEIGHBORODS THAT YOU HAVE IN THE HILLS AROUND THE CITY. SO THEY ARE READY TO MOBILIZE IF HE ISSN'T INSTATED. THEY VE ALSO THREATENED TO BOYCOTT THE NOVEER 29th ELECTION AND ACTIVELY SRUPT THE ECTIONS IF IT COMES TO TT.

>> THERE HVE BEEN REPEATED REFERENCES TO THRE BEING VE CLOSE. ONE SPOKESMAN SAYING DEAL WITH 95% COMPLETED. WHAT ITHE REMAINING STICKI POINT.

>> TRE'S BASICALLY THREE REMAININ STICKING POINTS. E IS WHETHER THIS AGREEMT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE NGRESS AND TH PREPE COURT IN ORDER TO BE APPROVED. SILIA SID WANTS GUARANES THE WOULDN'T BE ANY PROBLE. ANOTHER STICKING POINT AND I THINTHE BIGGEST STCKING POINT IS TIMING. THEY SAID THEY WOULDN'T ACCEPT S REINSTEMENT AFTER THE ELECTION AE CAN TELLROM THAT THAT REAY THE QUESTION OF H SOON ZILIAOULD BE REINSTATED IS KEY BECAUSE WHOEVER IS IN THERE THE LONGEST BEFORE THE ELECON HAS MORE CHANCE TOEXCERT -- EXERT PRESSU ON THE ECTIONS AND EXERT MORE CONTROOVER THE ELECTIONS. ANOTHER QUESTION IS JUST W WOULD INTEGRATE THIS CABINET THIS UNITE CABINET THAT BOTH TWOIDES ARE WORKING OUT I DER TO HAVE HIM REINSTATED ANTHE COUNTRY BROUGHT TOGETHER MOVING FORWARD.

>> Suare HOW ABOUT SIDE FORCES LIKE THE ORGANIZATION OF ERICAN STATES OR THE UNED STATES ITSELF PLAYED MUCH OF A ROLE IN BROKING THESE NEGOTIATION.

>> THE ORGANATION OF AMERIN STATES H REALLY TAKEN THE LEAD HERE. THERE'S BEEN AN OAS OBSERVER, HE IS A CHILEA HE HAS BEEN RE THE WHOLE TIME. ANTHE O HAS REALLY BEEN SOT OF A LONEANGER OVERSEEINGHESE TALKS. THERE HAS BEEN INRNATIONAL PRESSURE AND ENCOURAGEME FOR THESE TALKS TUCCEED. BUT IT'CLEAR THAT OAS HAS TAKEN E LEAD ON THIS AND HAS LOT TO WIN OR LOSE.

>> WELL, THE HOURAN NATIONASOCCER TEAM HAS QUALIFIED R THE WORLD CUP FOR THE FIRST TME I ALMOST 30 YEARS. WITH ALL AT IS GOING ON IN THE COUNT,AS IT ATTRACTED LOT OF ATTENON?

>> YES, IT'S ATTRACTED A LO OFATTENTION. IN FACT, YESTERDAY THE NTINGENT OF JOURNALISTS AROUND THE TALKS DCREASED DRAMATICALLY BECAUSE THEY WENT T TO THE CELRATIONS THE STREETS ANDHUFERBS WHE A LOT OF HONDURANS WENTN PRIL GRAGES TO THANK TEIR SAINTS FOR THE VICTY. SO IT DEFINITLY DISTRAED ATNTION FROM THE TALKS AND A LOOF PEOPLE SAID MAYB NOW E COUNTRY HAS BRGHT GETHER WE CAN HAVE AINAL PUSH AND MORE GOOD NEWS ON THEALKS TODAY.

>> RCELO BALLVE, THANKS.

>> THANK YOU, RAY. Lehrer: FINALLY TONIGHT, AN ARMY POST IN COLODO COPES WITH CASUALTIES--IRST, FROM THE IRAQ WAR,ND NOW FROM AFGHISTAN. NEWSHOUR CORRESPONDENT TOM ARDEN REPORTS. ♪ Reporter: EARLIER THIWEEK, SOLERS AT FORT CARSON, CORADO, GATHERED FOR WHAT HAS BECOME AN ALL-TOO-EQUENT CEREMONY REMEMRING THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN KILL DURING COMBAT OPERATIONS INRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN.

>> TODAY, HONOR SIX BRAVE SOLDIERS O WERE FIGHTING IN AFGHANISTA ALL OF THESE SOLDIERSOINED THE MILITARAFTER THE ATTACKS ON 9/LL. THEY JOINED BECAUSE THEY WAND TO SERVE THEIR COUNTRY

>> Report: THE WARS HAVE INFLICD A PARTICULARLY HEAVY TOLL ON UNITS STATIED AT FORT CARSON SINCE THE FIGHTINBEGAN IN 2002279 SOLDIERS FROM THE MOUNTAIN POST HAVEEEN KILLED. OST HAVE BEEN IN IRAQ. B MORE AND MORE TROOPS FRO HERE ARE BEING REDIREED TO AFGHANTAN, AND THE DEATH TOLL FROM THAT CONFLICT IS BEGIING TO MOUNT. FIRST LIEUTENANT TYLER PARTE A WT POINT GRADUATE FROM GRNSBORO, ARKANSAS, WAS KILLED SEPTEMBER 10 WHEN INSUENTS ATTACKED HIS UT WITH GRENADES AND SMALL AS FIRE. HIS MOTH SAID SHE KNEW FROM THE BEGINNG OF HIS DEPLOYMENT THAT SHE MIGHT HAVE TOACE THIS D.

>> HE TOLD MEBOUT HIS ASIGNMENT AND WHAT HE WAS GONG TO BE DOG. HE WAS GOING TO BE IN THE FNT, HE WAS A SCOUT. AND IEMEMBER SAYING, "SON, YOU'RE A FIRST LIEUTENAN YOU DON'T HAVE GO... YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO FIRST AND HE SA "MOM, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO FOLW ME IF I DON'T GO FIRST." AND I KNEW THEN THERE WAA ANCE HE WASN'T GOING TO CO BACK, BECAUSE TYLERAS ONE WHO WOULD ALWAYS STEPN FRONT OF ANYTHING AND CHAE LIKE A BULL INTO ANYTHING HE BELIEVED .

>> Reporter: FO CARSON AND THE NEARBY CIVILIAN COMMUNITIES SUFFER AN UNUSUALLY LARGE LOSS EARLIER THIS MONTH WHEN EIT SOLDIERS WE KILLED IN A SINGLE FIREFIG AT A REMOTE OUTPOST IN THE NURISTAN PROVIN. "COLORADO SPRINGS GETTE" REPORTER TOM EDER.

>> THAT WAS A REAL BODY OW TO THIS CIT YOU TALKED PEOPLE IN THE STREETS; EVERYBO WANTED TO KNOW HOW THEY COULD HP THESE FAMILIE TALKING TO YBODY AROUND TOWN AND YOU RAN INTO THISENSE OF LOSS. IT WAS HUGE. I DON'T THINK PELE WERE REPARED FOR THIS DURATION OR THE KIND OF SACRIFICES TS TOWN HAS HAD TOIVE. YOU WATCH THESE FAMILIESHO ARE DEPYING A SPOUSE FOR A THIRD OR FOURTH TIME, AND IT'SEALLY TAKING A NISHING TOLL.

>> Report: BUT COMMANDERS AT FORT CARSON SAY THE CUALTIES HAVEN'T FECTED MORALE. MAJOR DAD MEYER.

>> ONE OF THE THIN THAT COMES WITH SIX YEARS IIRAQ AND EIGHT YEARS IN AFGHANISTAN ISHAT WEE ALL LOST SOMEBODY. WE'VE ALL LOST A FRIEND. SO IT DOESN'T KE IT EASIER. BUT IT GIS YOU FOCUS. IT REMINDS YOU THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING EVERYDAY IS NOT R PLAY; IT IS DEADLY SERIOU SO, WEOURN THE LOSS OF THOSE SOLDIERS D WE GRIEVE FOR THEIR FAMILIES. BUT IN A LOT OF WS, IT HELPS FOC US ON WHAT WE'RE DOING, BECAU WE'RE REMINDED THAT THE STAKES ARE SO HIGH.

>> Reporter: AND THETAKES MAY BE GETNG HIGHER. JUST LAST WEK, THE 1st BRIGADE OF THE h INFANTRY DIVISION HERE LEARNED IT WILL SENDING 3,500 SOLDIERS TO AFGNISTAN NEXT SUMMER. HE MECHANIZED BRIGADE WILL VE A BRANDEW MISSION-- ONE THAT COULD BE MORE DANGEROUS

>> FOR O UPCOMING MISSION IN AFGHANISTAN, 'RE REALLY GOING TO LEAVE ALL THAT BEHIND. BUTHE FOCUS OF OUR MISSION IS GOING TO BE TO ASST THE AFGHAN FORCES, SO WE'REEALLY GOING TO BDISMOUNTED. IF THEY WALK, WE WALKWHICH IS A PRETTY BIG CHANGE FOR A BRIGADE THAT IS USED TO BENG MOUNTED ONULTI-TON VEHICLES.

>> Reporter: AS THE SOLDIERS BEGIN TRAING FOR THEIR NEW ASGNMENT, THEIR SPOUSES ARE ALSO BEING TRAINED TO LP EACH OTHER ITIMES OF NEED.

>> WHEN YOU'RE FILLINOUT YOUR RMS, I WANT YOU TO THINK REA GLOBALLY OUT WHAT YOU'RE GOOD T, WHAT YOU CAN HANDLE AND N HANDLE. > Reporter: JILL NUGIN IS TH FAMILY ADVACY COORDINATOR AT FORT CARSON. SHE IS IN CHARGE OF GANIZING SPOUSES WHOOLUNTEER TO ASSIST FAMILIES WHO LOSE A LOVED E.

>> WE TRAIN FOLKTO BE PART OF CARE TEAMS, SO WHEN ERE'S A CSIS, THEY CAN GO IN AND DO ALL THOSE THIN THAT YOU DON'T THINKBOUT WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH GRIEF. WE DO SUPPORT FOR FAMILIES. WE PROVIDE CHILDCE. HAVE FOLKS ONALL IF PEOPLE NE TO TALK ABOUT THINGS. SO WE TRY TO BE AS PPARED AS WE CAN FOR WHEN THESE KINDOF THINGS HAPPE

>> porter: LONA PARTEN SAID ONE OF THE INGS THAT HAS COMFORT HER IN HER TIME OF GRIEF REREADING EMAILS FROM HER SON, ESPECIALLY HIS ENCOUNTE WITH AFGHAN CHILDREN.

>> HE SAID, "I DOT WANT THE CHILDREN TO BE AFRAID AMERICAN SOLDRS." IT WAS HIS MISSION TO CHAN THAT. HE WOULD TAKE OUT A HARMONI AND PLAY FOR THCHILDREN. A GUY LIKE THAT, YOUON'T PECT HIM TO GO DOWN IN BTTLE. BUT HE DID ♪

>> ReporterA MEMORIAL SERVICE FOR THE EIGHTOLDIERS KILLED IN THE AFGHAN FIREFIT IS EXPECTED IN FEW WEEKS.

>> Lehrer: AGAIN, THE MAJOR DEVELOPMTS OF THE DAY:

>> AFGHANIAN'S DISPUTED PSIDENTIAL ELECTION CAME CLOSER. THE WASHINGTO POST REPORTED PRESIDENT KARZAI'S SHARE IN THE VOTE HAS FALLEN UNDE 50%, WHICH WOULD TRIGG A RUNOFF. AND U.S. ALTH OICIALS WARN THAT THE H1N1 SWINE FLU VIRUS IS HITTINGARDER AND EARER THAN EXPECTED. ON newshour.p.org, AN ONLINE- NLY FEATURE TONIGHT-- CHAT WITH AUTHOR NICK HORY ABOUT HIS NEW NOVEL, "JIET, NAKED." HORNBY IS KNOWN FORRITING ABOUT POP SIC AND CULTURE. HERE'S AN EXCERPOF THE CONVERSATN.

>> I KNOW I STRADDLED T WORLDS. I KNOW THERESHIS LIT REGARDEE CAMP AN POPULAR CAMP AND I THINK M SOMEWHERE BETEN THE TWO. BUT IT IS NOT ANYTHING CAN AFFORD TO THINK ABT. I C ONLY WRE WHAT I WANT TO WRITE. AND I GUESS WHEN ITARTED OUT WAS A LITTLE BIT FRUSTRATED BY TH WAY BOTH CAMPS DID DIVIDE.

>> Lehrer: THE FULL CVERSATION WITH RNBY IS ON OUR "ART BEAT" PAGE. "WASHINGTON WEEKCAN BE SEEN LATER TH EVENING ON MOST PBS STATIONS. WE'LL SEE YOONLINE, AND AGAIN HERE MONDAY EVENG. HAVE A NICE WEEKEND. I'M JIM LEHRER. THANK YOUND GOOD NIGHT. MAJOR FUNDING FOR THE NEWSHR WITH JIM LEHR IS PROVIDED BY:

>> WHAT THE WORLD NDS NOW IS ENERG THE ENERGY TO GETHE ECONOMY HUMMINAGAIN. THE ENERGY TO ACKLE CHALLENGES LIKE CLIMATE CHAE. WHAT IS THAT ERGY CAME FROM A ENERGY COMPANY? EVERAY, CHEVRON INVESTS $62 MILLION IN PEOE, IN IDEAS-- SEEKING, TEACHING, BLDING. FUELING GROWTH AROUND THE WOLD TO MOVE US ALL AHEAD. HIS IS THE POWER OF HUMAN ENERGY. CHEVRON.

>> THIS IS THE ENGINE THA CONNECTS ABUNDANGRAIN FROM THE AMERICAN HEARTLAND TO HAR'S BEST SELLING WHEA WHILE KEEPING 60 ILLION POUNDS OF CARBON OUT OF THETMOSPHERE EVERYEAR. BNSF, THE ENGINE THAT CONNTS US. INTEL.

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