PBS NewsHour; July 6, 2018 3:00pm-4:01pm PDT

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>> Woodruff: GOOD EVENING. M JUDY WOODRUFF. LI THE NEWSHOUR TONIGHT: MISSING THE DEADNE. THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ASKS FOR MOREIME TO REUNITE SEPARATED IMMIGRANT FAMILIES, STRUGGLING TO MATCH CHILDREN TO PARENTS. THEN, A TRADE WAR BEGINS BETWEEN THE WORLD'S TWO LARGEST ECONOMIES. THE UMP ADMINISTRATION IMPOS TARIFFS ON $34 BILLION OF CHINESE IMPORTS, AND BEIJI RETALIATES. IT'S FRIDAY. DAVID BROOKS AND EZRA KLEIN ARE HERE TO TACKLE THE PRESIDENT'S SHORT LIST OF POSSIBLE SUPREME COURT NOMINEES. PLUS: ( NEWSHOUR THEME SONG )

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>> THIS PROGRAM WAS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE CORPORATION FOR PUBLIC BROADCASTING. AND BY CONTRIBUTIONS TO YOUR PBS STATION FROM VIEWERS LIKE YOU. THANK YOU. oo >>uff: THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION SAYS IT NEEDS MORE TIME BY A FEDERAL JUDGE TO REUNITE IMMIGRANT FAMILIES.HL TODAY'S MOVE HHTS THE DIFFICULT TASK OF CONNECTING CHILDREN WITH THEIR S. OUR LISA DJARDINS HAS BEEN TRYING TO TRACK THE NEARLY 3,000 MINORS STILL ITHE GOVERNMENT'S CARE AND JOINS ME NOW TO MAP THE ROADBLOCKS AHEAD. YOU HAVE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO A COURT HEARING WHERE THIS IS BEING HEA>>RD. HAT'S RIGHT. THE COURT HEARING ENDED IN THE LAST HOUR OR SO IN CHICAGO. THE JUE HAS NOT DECIDED WHETHER HE WILL ACTUALLY MOVE THE DEADLINES FOR THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION OR NOT AND MAYBE WE'LL HEAR THAT DECISION NEXT WEEK. WE HEARD FROM THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION'S DEPARTMENT JUSTICE SOME NEW DETAILS, SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE KIDS UNDER FIVE YEARS OLD. THEY SAI 1D THERE ARE OF THOSE CHILDREN, AND THIS TELL US SOMETHING ABOUT THE REUNIFICATION ISSUES. THEY SAID 46 OF THE SMALLEST KIDS, THEIR PARENT IS INDE NTION RIGHT NOW, I.C.E. THERE ARE 19 KIDS WHO IS PARENTS HAVE BEEN DEPORTED, AND 16 OF THE CHILDREN UNDER FIVE YEARS OLD IN U.S. CUSTODY, PARENT UNKNOWN LOCATION. SO THIS SPEAKS TO THE GREER PROBLEMS. D.H.S. AND D.O.J. ARE SAYING THEY CAN'T LOCATE PARENTS IN SOME CASES, THEY ARE MISSING DATA. WE CAN TALK OUT THAT LER, BUT FOR NOW THE DEADLINE STANDS ANPERHAPS A DECISION NEXT WEEK.

>> Woodruff: NOW WE KNOW MORE ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT THE REYIEWIVE CASE PROCESS IS. THE ADMINISTRATION SAYS THEY WANTTHEM RNIFIED BUT MAKING IT HAPPEN IS COMPLICATED.

>> THIS IS THE ISSUE -- WHEN THE FAMILIES CROSS THE BORDER, D.H.S. CAME IN AND SEPARATED PARENTS AND CHILDREN. THE PARENTS WENT INTO I.C.E. DETENTION INTO ONE SYSTEM, THE CHILDREN WENT INTO HEALTH AND HUN SERVICES, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SYSTEM. THOSE AGENCIES ARE SUPPOSED TO TALK TO EACH OTHER. IN MANY AND PERHAPS MOST CASES, THEY DID NOT. OM THE "NEWORTS F YORK TIMES" THAT SOME OF THIS IMPORTANT DATA HAS BEEN DEL LETD ST, AND NOW WHAT WE'RE N EING OVER THIS WEEKEND A FRANTIC EFFORT,CT CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS, TO TRY TO GO THROUGH CASE-BY-CASE TO TRY AND CONNECT THESE KIDS WIH THEIR PARENTS. IN SOME CASES WE'RE SEEING DNA TESTS MAY BE THE QUICKEST WAY TO ES IBLISH PARENTHOOD, THAT A PARENT NAME IS KNOWN. FOR SOME TO HAVE THE KIDS, THEY DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE PARENT IS.

>> Woodruff: SO, LISA, THIS GROUP OF SEPARATED FAMILIES WE'RE LKING ABOUT, DO WE KNO HOW MANY, WHAT PERCENTAGE, PORTION OF THEM ARE PEOPLE WHO CAME HERE TO THE U.S. SEEKING LEGAL ASYLUM?

>> WE DON'T KNOW THE PERCENTAGE YET. THE TRUMADMINISTRATION, IN SOME INSTANCES, HAS DENIED THEY HAVE SEP AARATYLUM-SEEKING FAMILIES. HOWEVER, IN THOSE LEGAL DOCUMENTS WE TALKED ABOUTIS YESTERDAY, THIHE LAWSUIT ON BEHALF OF 17 STATES AND THECO DISTRICT OMBIA, THERE WERE NUMEROUS, NUMERAL LEGAL FILINGS UNDER OATH BY ASYLUM SEEKERS WHO SAID THEY HAD BEEN SEPARATED FROM THEIR CHILDREN. I WANT TO READ TO YOU FROM JUST ONE. THIS IS AN ASYLUM SEEKER WHO ENTERED AT A LEGAL COURT OF ENTRY. I ELIZABETH WROTAS PUT IN CHAINS ON MY HANDS AND FEET AND WAIST LIKE A CRIMINAL. TE AUTHORITIES TOLD ME T THEY WERE NOT GOING TO GIVE ME ASYLUM AND THAT I WOULD NOT SEE MY SON UNIL HE WAS 18 YEARS OLD TO PUTE THEY WERE GOIN HIM UP FOR ADOPTION. THAT SCARED ME A LOT. THIS SPEAKS TWO THINGS, THIS IS AN ASYLUM SEEKER, LEGAL PORT OF ENTRY, NOT THE ONLY ONE IN THESE FILINGS WHO WAS SEPARATED, DETAINED, SHACKLED. ANOTHER SU ASYLUM-SEEKER SAID HE WAS SHACKLED, ALONG WITH OTHER MEEWHORE STUMBLING, NOT GIVEN BATHROOM PRIINLEGES AND ING ON THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF IT, THE THESE WERE PE WHO HAD NOT COMMITTED A CRIME, WERE SEEKING ASYLUM. WE SEE MANY ELEMENTS OF INTIMIDATION FOR ASYLUM KERS, AT LEAST CLAIMED.

>> Woodruff: LISA, YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING TO POPLE CRITICA OF THIS PROCESS, WHO HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT VIEW OF WHETHER PEOE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO COME INTO THE COUNTRY.

>> I THINK IF YOU SPEAK TO TRU SUPPORTERS, THEY THINK THE PROBLEM IS THE WAY THE LEGAL CSTEM HAS BEEN LAID OUT, THAT THE PRESIDENT WAOOSING TO ENFORCE THE LAWS THAT HE DID NOT WANT TO SPARATE THESE FAMILIES, BUT, IF HE DIDN'T SEPARATE THEM, HE WOULD, IN FACT, BE ENCOURAGING MORE PEOPLE TO CROSS THE BORDER AND, OF COURSE, LIBERALS DISAGREE WITH THAT.E, THE BOTTOM LIUDY, THESE PEOPLE IN U.S. CUSTODY, THE U.S. HAS RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR CARE NOW.

>> Woodruff: LISA DESJARDINS, MORE EXCELLENT REPORTING. THANK YOU VERYE UCH.

>> YOULCOME.

>> Woouff: IN THE DAY'S OTHER NEWS, THE LATEST U.S. JOBS REPORT SHOWS A RESILIENT ECONOMY, DESPITE FEARS OF A TRADE WAR WITH CHINA. THE LABOR DEPARTMENT SAID THAT 213,000 NEW JOBS WERE ADDED IN JUNE, EXCEEDING PROJECTIONS. JUBUT THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATED SLIGHTLY TO 4%, UP FROM 3.8% IN MAY. THE REPORT COMES AS PUNITIVE TARIFFS ON $34 BILLION WORTH OF CHINESE IMPORTS GO INTO EFFECT TODAY. BEIJING HIT BACK QUICKLY, IN"T WHAT IT CALLED BIGGEST TRADE WAR IN ECONOMIC HISTORY." WE WILL EXAMINE THE CONSEQUENCES OF A TIT-FOR-TAT WITH CHINA AFTER THE NEWS SUMMARY. CRETARY OF STATE MIKE POMPEO ARRIVED IN NORTH KOREA TODAY FOR MORE HIGH LEVEL TALKS AIMED AT DISMANTLING THE COUNTRY'S NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM. PRESIDENT TRUMP LEFT A HISTORIC SUMMIT LAST MONTH WITH A BROAD COMMITMENT FROM NORTH KOREAN LEADER KIM JONG-UN TO DENUCLEARIZE, BUT POMPEO SAID HE HOPES TO, "FILL IN THE DETAILS." THE SECRETARY OF STATE WILL STAY OVERNIGHT IN PYONGYANG. IT IS UNKNOWN WHETHER HE WILL MEET WITH KIM HIMSELF. CHALLENGING NEGOTIATIONS ALSO PLAYED OUT IN VIENNA, WHERE THE REMAINING MEMBERS OF THE 2015L IRAN NUCLEAR DIED TO KEEP IRAN FROM WALKING AWAY FROM THE AGREEMENT. THE COUNTRIES' FOREIRI MINISTERS DED A BROAD PACKAGE OF MEASURES TO BOOST IRAN'S ECONOMY, BUT THEY ACKNED IT WAS HARD TO COUNTERACT U.S. SANCTIONS RE-IMPOSED ON IRAN AFUTR PRESIDENT TRUMP PULLED OF THE DEAL IN MAY.

>> ( transled ): WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO COMPENSATE FOR EVERYTHING THAT ARISES FROM COMPANIES PULLING OUOF IRAN, WHICH FEEL THEIR AMERICAN BUSINESS THREATENED BY SANCTIONS. DUE TO THE U.S. SANCTIONS, THE SITUATION HAS BECOME DIFFICULT, BUT WE TRY TO MAKE CLEAR TO IRAN THAT COMPLETELY ABANDONING THE DEAL WOULD CAUSE EVEN MORE HARM ALSO TO AN'S ECONOMY.

>> Woodruff: IRAN'S PRESIDENT HASSAN ROUHANI SAID YESTERDAY THAT THE PROPOSED ECONOM MEASURES DO NOT GO FAR ENOUGH, TO ENSURE OIL REVENUES AND FOREIGN INVESTMENT FOR TEHRAN. IN NORTHERN THAILAND, THE EFFORT TO SAVE 12 BOYS AND THEIR SOCCER COACH TRAPPED IN A CAVE APPEARS EVEN MORE PERILOUS AFTER A RESCUE DIVER DIED OVERNIGHT. THE TEAM IS LOCATED ABOUT 2.5 MILES INTO THE PARTIALLY FLOODED CAVE COMPLEX, A 12-HOUR JOURNEY DIOM THE ENTRANCE. OFFICIALS SAY THR, SAMARN KUNAN, SUCCUMBED TO DROPPING OXYGEN LEVELS INSIDE THE CAVE.

>> ( translated ): THE CONDITIONS IN THE CAVE ARE TOUGH. SAMARN FELL UNCONSCIOUS ON HISBA WA FROM WHERE THE BOYS ARE. HIS BUDDY TRIED TO ADMINISTER FIRST AID,REUT HE DID NOT OND. I CAN GUARANTEE THAT WE WILL NOT PANIC, WE WILL NOT STOP OUR MISSION, WE WON'T LELIFE BE IN VAIN.

>> Woodruff: RISING WAVELS ARE ALSO THREATENING THE OPERATION, WITH HEAVY RAINS EXCTED THIS WEEKEND. IN SOUTHWEST SYRIA, REBEL FORCES AGREED TO SURRENDER DARAA PROVINCE AFTER A PUNISHING GOVERNMENT OFFENSIVE BACKED BY RUSSIAN AIRSTRIKES. THE SYRIAN MILITARY OK CONTROL OF THE NASEEB BORDER CROSSING WITH JORDAN, WHICH THE OPPOSITION HAD HELD FOR THREE YEARS. MEANWHILE, THE INTERNATIONAL RESCUE COMMITTEE WARNED OF A WORSENING REFUE CRISIS. 330,000 PEOPLE HAVE FLED THEIR HOMES SINCE THE OFFENSIVE BEGAN IN JUNE. U.S. REPRESENTATIVE JIM JORDAN IS FACING A RISING TIDE OF ACCUSATIONS THAT HE TURNED A BLIND EYE TO SUAL ABUSE AT OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY. FIVE FORMER WRESTLERS AT THE SCHOOL HAVE NOW COME FORWARD TO SAY THAT CONGRESSMAN JORDAN KNEW ABOUT A TEAM DOCTOR'S ABUSE WHEN HE WAS A COACH THERE IN THE 1990s.AN THE REPUBLAWMAKER DENIES ANY KNOWLEDGE OF THE INCIDENTS, AND THE PRESIDENT SAID YESTERDAY "BELIEVES HIM 100%." IN INDIANA, TOP REPUBLICANS ARE CALLING ON ATTORNEY GENERAL CURTIS HILL TO RESIGN AFTER FOUR WOMEN ACCUSED HIM OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT. THE WOMEN, INCLUDING A STATE REPRESENTATIVE, SAY HILL GROPED THEM AT AN INDIANAPOS BAR IN MARC YESTERDAY, INDIANA'S GOVERNOR EPD TWO G.O.P. STATEHOUSE LEADERS SAID THELICAN ATTORNEY GENERAL SHOULD STEP ALWN. HILL HAS DENIED THGATIONS ANREFUSED TO RESIGN. ACROSS THE WESTERN U.S., BONE-DRY HEAAND STRONG WINDS E FUELING SOME 60 WILDFIRES. AUTHORITIES SAID THAT ONE PERSON DIED IN A FIRE IN HORNBROOK, CALIFORNIA, AR THE OREGON BORDER. IN SOUTHWEST COLORADO, THE THIRD-LARGEST FIRE IN STATE HISTORY IS NOW 35% CONTAINED, BUT ANOTHER NEAR ASPEN CONTINUED TO SPREAD, FORCING MORE EVACUATIONS. GOVERNOR JOHN HICKENLOOPER TOURED THE AFFECTED AREAS TODAY.

>> WHEN YOU GET THIS MANY RES AT ONE TIME, YOU OBVIOUSLY STRETCH YOUR RESOURCES, AND I THINK WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, I THINK WHAT WE SAW HERE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, WAS PRIORITING THOSE PLACES WHERE WE HAVE THE GREATEST RISK. WE HAVE MORE RESOURCES ACTIVE IN THIS, IN THIS STATE RIGHT NOW THAN I THINK-- THAT WE'VE EVER HAD IN HISTORY. ON WALL STREET TODAY, THE DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE GAINED 99 POINTS TO CLOSE AT 24,456. THE NASDAQ ROSE 102 POINTS, AND THE S&P 500 GAINED 23. FOR THE WEEK, THE DOW GAINED LESS THAN 1%. THE NASDAQ ROSE 2.5%.E THP 500 ROSE 1.5%. STILL TO COME ON THE NEWSHOUR: O CONSEQF THE U.S. TRADE WAR WITH CHINA. IMMIGRANTS WHO HAVE JOED THE MILITARY, IN LIMBO. PRESIDENT TRUMP MAKES LIGHT OF THE "ME TOO" MOVEMENT. AND, MUCH MORE.

>> Woodruff: T WORLD'S TWO RGEST ECONOMIES HAVE MOV BEYOND RHETORIC AND THREATS TO A TRADE WAR. BOTH THE U.S. AND CHINA NEW TARRIFS AGAINST EACH OTHER TODAY. THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IMPOSED ITS NEW FEES ON CHINESE GOODS AT MIDNIGHT. CHINA RETALIED IMMEDIATELY. AMNA NAWAZ LOOKS AT THE STRATEGIES OF BOTH SIDES, AND THE POTENTIAL CONSEQUENCES.

>> Nawaz: PRESIDENT TRP SET INTO MOTION 25% TARIFFS ON MORE THAN 800 CHINESE IMPORTED GOODS, INCLUDING AIRCRAFT ENGINES, INDUSTRIAL MACHINERY AND PARTS FOR ELECTRONICS, TO NAME JUST A FEW. NOW, CHINA HIT BACK WITH TARIFFS OF ITS OWN ON MORE THAN 500 U.S.-MADE GOODS, SOME OF WHICH TARGET AREAS OF THE COUNTRY THA VOTED HEAVILY . TRUMP. THAT INCLUDES EXPORTS LIKE SOYBEANS, PORK AND CORN. LET'S BREAK DOWN HOW BOTH SIDES ARE POSITIONING THEMSELVES, AND WHERE THE IMPACT OF THE TARIFFS WILLE FELT FIRST. VID HONIG IS AN ATTORNEY WHO TEACHES NEGOTIATIONS AT INDIANAN ERSITY. IND YASHENG HUANG IS A PROFESSOR WHO STUDIES THE E ECONOMY AND GLOBAL BUSINESS AT THE M.I.T. SLOAN SCHOOL OF MANAGEMENT.AN DAVID HONIG, ITO START WITH YOU. TALK TO ME ABOUT THE NEGOTIATING STYLE THAT WE HAVE SEEN SO FAR WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP. YOU BREAK THEM DOWN INTO A COUPLE OF CATEGORIES. ONE IS CALLED DISTRIBUTIVE BARGAINING, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE. WHAT DOES THATEAN?

>> DISTRIBUTIVE BARGAINING IS REALLY EXACTLY WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE. THE OPLE IN THE NEGOTIATION ARE SIMPLY DECIDING HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DISTRIBUTE A LIMITED POOL, AND, OTEERWISE, THEY HA NO INTERESTS IN COMMON. THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO GETS MO SLICES OF THE PIE OR HOW MUCH A CABINET-M GER NG TO GET PAID OFF HIS INVOICE FOR THE PERSON WHO PUT D BINETS IN A CASINO.

>> INTEGRARTERING, HOW ARE THE TWO DIFFERENT?

>> INTEGRATING BARGAINING IS EVERYTHING ELSE. INTEGRATED BARGAINING ISTS WHEN THERE IS NOT A COMPLETE LACK OF INTEREST BETWEEN THE TWO, WHRE THEY Y BE ABLE TO HELP EACH OTHER, WHERE THERE MAY BE A FUTURE RELATIONSHIP, WHERE THEY MAY BE ABLE TO HURT EACH OTHER OR BACK AT THE NEGOTIATION TABLE ANOIME.

>> MAKE IT REAL IN THE CONTEXT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IN A TRADE WAR WITH CHINA, WHAT IF WE SEEN FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP THAT SPEAKS TO YOU ABOUT DISTRIBUTIVE BARGAINING?

>> WHAT I'VE SEEN FROM THE PRESIDENT IS TREATING JUST ABOUT EVERY NEGOTIATION AS SOMETHING AT IS DISTRIBUTIV IT'S COMPLETE WIN-LOSE. IT IS TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT, WITHOUT THE APPEARANCE, AT LEAST, OF A RECOGNITION THAT WE'RE GOING TO COME TABLE ANOTHER TIME AND THAT WE HAVE MUTUAL INTESTS.

>> PROFESSOR HUANG, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE FLIP SIDE OF THIS. WE SEE WHERE PSIDENT TRUMP SEEMS TO BE COMING FROM IN NEGOTIATING STYLE AND TACTICS. FROM CHINA'S REACTION AND RESPONSE, WHAT SEEMS TO BE THEIR STRATEGY TO THE TRADE WAR?

>> I THINK THEIR STRATEGY IS THE INTEGRATEDARGAINING, AS MR. HONIG DESCRIBED. THEY SIGNALED THEY WANTED AC AN AGREEMENT WITH THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. FIRST THEY TALKED ABOUT MAKING CONCESSIONS ON THE TFRONT, BUYING MORE GOODS FROM THE UNITED STATES TO NARROW THE TRADE IMBALANCES BETWEEN THE TWO COUNTRIES. THEN THEY ACTUALLY TOOK THE STEP OFIFOWERING TAR ON GOODS CRITICAL TO AMERICAN COMPANIES, AUTOMOBILES, TRUCKS AND THE WHOLE RANGE OF PRODUCTS. THEY ALSO AT LEAST SIGNALED THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO TALK AOUT I.P. ISSUES, INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTSH ISSUES, ENTRY BY THE FOREIGN FIRMS IN THE CHINESE MARKET, FINANCIAL SECTOR, OTHER ISSUE AREAS. BUT THEY DIDN'T GET A POSITIV RESPONSE FROM THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION PRECISELY BECAUSE THE STREGY PURSUED BY THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS KIND OF A TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT. THAT DESN'T REALLY LEAVE THE CHINESE WITH MUCH ROOM TO MANEUVER. DAVID HONIG, NOW THAT WE ARE WHERE WE ARE IN THE TIT FOR TAT WITH TARIFFS, TALK ABOUT THE RILE EFFECT. THE U.S. IMPOSES TARIFFS, AT LEAST THE CHINESE TARIFFS, SOYBNS FORKS EXAMPLE, CHINA CANCELED THE SOYBEAN ORDERS, THEY ARE NEARLY A THIRDOV THE ENTIRE SOYBEAN CROP PURCHASING POWER THERE. THAT'S A BIG HIT TO THE U.S. ECONOMY. WHERE DOES THE RIPPLE EFFECT GO FROM THERE? SHOWSIS A BIG HIT AND IT THE DANGER OF TREATING SOMETHING THAT'S DISTRIBUTIVE THAT TRULY WEISN'T. SO WHAEE IS NOT ONLY DAMAGE TO AMERICAN FARMERS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO SELL THEIR SOYBEANS, BUT WHAT HAPPENED NEXT IS CHINA BOUGHT THEIR SOYBEANS FROM RUSS, THEY TRIPLED THEIR PURCHASES FROM RUSSIA. THE RIPPLE EFFECT BEYOND THAT IS NOT ONLY IS RUSIA NOW BUYING -- SELLING SOYBEANS AND AMERICAN FARMERS ARE LOSING THEM, BUT RUSSIA IS NOW GETTING HARD CURRENCY. SO IF YOU GO OUTSIDE TRADE AND LOOK AT AMERICA'S ATY TO PROJECT ITS POWER, NOW SANCTIONS WILL BE LESS EFFECTIVE BECAUSE OUR SANCTIONS ADDRESSED AT RUSSIA GO TO LIMITING THEIR YUAVAILABILITY FOR HARNS AND WE PUT THEM IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY CAN GET MORE OF THAT FROM CHINA.

>> PROFESSOR HUANG, YOU'RE SAYING THE TWO SIDES ARE COMIN AGENT IT FROM DIFFERENT APPROACHES, BUT TRUMP SAYS HE'S DOING WHAT HE SAID HE WOULD ANDG APPLIS TOUGH BARGAINING, WHEN IT COMES TO THE U.S. AND CHINTRADE BALANCE. IF NOTHING WORKED TO ETCH IT OUT BEFORE, MAYBE COULD THIS WORK

>> WELL, I DISAGREE THAT THE TRADE IMBALANCE IN ANDF ITSELF IS ABOUT UNEVEN RELATIONSHIP BETWEE.THE TWO COUNTRI THE TRADE IMBALANCE IS DRIVEN BY DEEP STRUCTURAL ECONOMIC FACTORS WITHIN THESE TWO COU.NTRI ONE COUNTRY HAS A VERY HIGH SAVINGS RATE, THE OTHER COUNTRY HAS A LOWER SAVGS RATE. BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THERE ARE OBJECTIVE PROBLEMS BETWEEN CHINA AND THEA UNITED STES. I WILL VIEW IP AS AN ISSUE, ENTRY OF FOREIGN FIRMS INTO A CHINESE MARKET AS ANOTHER LEGITIMATE ISSUES. THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS NOT SO MUCH THAT THEY INVOKE TRADE WAR AS A TACTIC TO GET THE CHINESE TO COME TO THE NEGOTIATING TABLE. THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS THEY ARE NOW PRESUMED AS AN END IN AND OF ITSELF, AND THAT'S VERESREC TO ESCALATE THE TRADE WAR. IT'S GOING TO BE D FOR THE CHINESE ECONOMY FOR SURE, BUT IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE BAD FOR THE U.S. ECONOMY BECAUSE MUCH OF THE CONSUMPTION IN THIS COUNTRY IS PRODUCED BY CHIIESE COMP A LOT OF THETS COMPON SOURCE BY U.S. COMPANIES ARPRODUCED BY CHINESE COMPANIES, IS GOING TO HAVE A HUGE RIPPLE EFFECT ON THE U.S. ECONOMY AS WELL. SO IT'S OKAY TO THREATEN CHINA WITH A TRADEAR, BUT TO ACTUALLY USE IT IS RECKLESS.

>> DAVID HONIG, NOW THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY USING IT, WHERE IS THE OFF RAMP IN HOW DOES THIS END?

>> IM ON'T KNOW. T SURE THEY'VE ANTICIPATED AN OFF RAMP. EHE SAME THING HAPPENED WHEN THEY SHUT DOWN AGREEMENT WITH IRAN AND TOLD EVERYBODY, OKAY, STOP BUYING OIL AS OF NOVEMBER FIRST AND ALL OF THE COUNTRIES SAID WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T REPLACE IT YET. THIS WEEK, THE U.S. STATE DEPARTMENTAAID, OKY, WELL, GO AHEAD AND KEEP BUYING OIL, SO THEY DIDN'T TICIPATE AN OFF RAMP. SO THAT'S WHY SOME OF US WHO OBSERVE NEGOTIATIONS AND PROFESSOR HUANG WHOSE EXPERTISE IS MUCH DEEPER IN CHINA AND TRADE ARE CONCERNED.RO >>SSORS HONIG AND HUANG, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Woodruff: WE TURN BACK NOW TO IMMIGRATION AND THE ISSUE OF UNDOCUMENTED I IN THE U.S. MILITARY. FOR THAT, I'M JOINED BY OUR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT, MICHE ALCINDOR. SO, YAMICHE, WE LEARNED LATE THURSDAY ABOUT A DECISION BY THO U.S. MILITARISCHARGE SOME OF THEIR RECRUITS. TELL US ABOUT THAT. WELL, WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT THE UNITED STATES ARMY HAS BEEN SECRET BY DISCHARGING OR QUIETLY DISCHARGING A NUMBER OF IMMIGRANT RECRUITS ACCORDING TOE REPORTS BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS IN OUR OWN "NHoe". THE ASSOCIATED PRESS IS REPORTING THESE ARE IMMIGRANTS WHO JOINED THE ARMY RESERVES OR ARMY AND TOLD THEY COULD HAVE A PATH TO CITIZENSHIP IF THEY ENLISTED. THEY TID THAT, NOW THEY ARE T BEING TOY HAVE TO GO. ABOUT 40 PEOPLE ARE IMPACTED BY THIS. AN IMMIGRATION ATTORNEY TALKED TO AT "NewsHour" SAID SHE HEARD FROM DOZENS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE IMPTED BY THIS. THESE IMMIGRANTS ARE BEING TOLD EITHER NOTHING ABOUT WHY THIS IS HAPPENING OR THEY'RE BEING TOLD THEY ASE SECURITY RISKS BEC THEY HAVE FAMILY ABROAD OR BECAUSE T THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE COULD NOT COMPLETE THEIR BACKGROUND CHECK. WE TALKED TO A DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE PERSON WHO SAID THE TRGOVERNMENT WANTS TO FASACK D ESE PEOPLE AND WANTS TO TAKE A QUICK PATHERS AIF GIVEN ENOUGH TIME THEY COULD DO THAT. THE ARMY ISN'T COMNTING. IN THE MEANTIME, I TRAVELED TO ABSALINA, KANSAS, TO REPORT ANOTHER GROUP OF YOUNG IMMIGRANTS: RECRUITS IN LIMBO. JOHN CANDIDOROUDLY WEARS HIS ARMY T-SHIRT, A GIFT FROM MILITARY RECRUITERS WHO HOPE HE MIGHT ONE DAY JOIN THEIR RANKS.W

>> I'VE ALWAYSTED TO ENLIST IN THE MILITARY. HI'S JUST ALWAYS BEEN A DREAM.

>> Alcindor: BUT, DREAM HAS BEEN DELAYED FOR THREE YEARS AND COUNTING. JOHN IS A SO-CALLED "DREAMER" AND A RECIPIENT OF DACA. T AT'S THE OBA-EORPRYOUNUNMENTHT TS B TO THE COUNTRY AS PHILDREN. THATGRAM IS CAUGHT IN POLITICAL LIO. FROM 2014 TO 2016, DACA RECIPIENTS COULD EARN A PATH TO CITIZENSHIP BY ENLISTING IN THE MILITARY AND COMPLETINBASIC TRAINING THROUGH A PROGRAM CALLED MAVNI. THAT STANDFOR "MILITARY ACCESSIONS VITAL TO NATIONAL INTEREST." BUT BY 2016, THE MILITARY HAD IDENTIFIED SECURITY THREATS WITHIN THE PROGRAM. IN RESPONSE, THEY STOPPED ACCEPTING NEW RECRUITS, AND CTOSE ALREADY ENLISTED, LIKE JOHN, WERE SUBJE TO INCREASED, LENGTHY VETTING. THE RESULT: HE MIGHT BE WAITING INDEFINITELY.

>> MY WHOLE LIFE IS JUST LIMBO. IT'S JUST KIND OF, YOU'RE ON AN ISLAND BY YOURSELF WAITING WHILE THE REST OF THE WORLD IS JUST GOING ON.

>> THAT'S MY BIG CONCERN, IS THAT WE'RE THROWING THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER. OP Alcindor: ARMY VETERAN TODD WEILER OVERSAW TECRUITMENT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE DURING THE OBAMA AND CLINTON ADMINISTRATIONS.

>> THERE ARE SOME LEGITIMATE THAT NEED TOCERN BE ADDRESSED, BUT TO LUMP THE DACA RECIPIENTS IN WITH FOLKS FROM IRAN OR IRAQ THAT YOU MAY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.r:

>> AlcinAVNI STARTED UNDER PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH AS A WAY TO RECRUIT IMMIGRANTS WITH MUCH-NEEDED FOREIGN LANGUAGE OR MEDICAL SKILLS. IN 2014, PRESIDENT OBAMA OPENED THE PROGRAM UP TO DACA HICIPIENTS, PROMISING THEM A PATH TO CITIZENSP. DO YOU THINK THE COUNTRY IS NOW BREAKING A PROMISE IT MADE TOYO

>> OH, ABSOLUTELY. I KNOW IF I MADE A CONTRACT WITH THE GOVERNMENT AND THEN I BACKED OUT, OR I KEPT GIVING THIN INFINITE DEA, THAT PROBABLY WOULDN'T GO VERY WELL. YOU KNOW, I SWORIN; I DID THE PAPERWORK. I DID EVERYTHING. THSIGNED ON THE DOTTED LINE. I HELD UP MY END ODEAL. BUT THE GOVERNMENT'S JUST LIKE VOID.

>> Alcindor: ABOUT 900 DACA RECIPIENTS ARE CURRENTLY SERVING IN THE MILITARY OR HAVE SIGNED CONTRACTS TO SERVE, ACCORDING TO THE PENTAGON. IMMIGRATION LAWYERS TOLD THE NEWSHOUR, AROUND 300 ARE STILL WAITING TO SHIP OFF TO BASIC TRAINING. WEILER FEARS THAT THESE MEN AND WOMEN ARE NOW VULNERABLE.

>> THEY CAME OUT OF THE SHADOWS. THEY SIGNED UP FOR THE MILITARY. IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO HONOR THAT CONTRACT, THEN WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO SEPARATE WITH THESE FOLKS. AND IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T FLAG THEM FOR DEPORTATION.

>> OUR MILITARY IS VERY DEPLETED, BUT IT'S RAPIDLY TTING BETTER. AND IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, IT WILL BE STRONGER THAN IT HAS EVER BEEN.

>> Alcindor: ANOTHER FRUSTR TION HN? REPORTS OF TROOP SHORTAGES ACROSS THE MILITARY.HE >>RE LIKE, OH, WE'RE HAVING CRAZY SHORTAGES FOR PILOTS, MEDICS, AND THEY'RE ISSUING OUT WAIVERS, BECAUSE...I MORERS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE SMOKED MARIJUANA BEFORE... THEY HAVE CRIMINAL RECORDS., I'M LIHAVE NONE OF THOSE THINGS. CAN I PLEASE JUST ENLIST? C Alcindor: JOHN'S FAMILYE BR THE UNITED STATES FROM IL ON A TOURIST VISA WHEN HE WAS EIGHT. THAT VISA ENTUALLY EXPIRED, BUT HIS FAMILY NEVER LEFT. JOHN, WHO IS 28 NOW, ONLY LEARNED HE WAS UNDOCUMENTED EIGHT YEARS AGO, WN HE MARRIED HIS WIFE JORDAN.

>> YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE HOME YOUR WHOLE LIFE. AND THEN, LIKE, SOMEBODY TUR AD THE LIGHT YOU'RE NOT IN YOUR HOUSE.

>> Alcindor: HE HAD HOPED AT BY PROMISING TO SERVE, HE COULD FINALLY MAKE UP FOR BEING IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY. THE DAY HE ENLISTEWAS EMOTIONAL.

>> I SWORE IN. I CRIED THERE. I DIDN'T EVEN CRY ON MY DAUGHTER'S BIRTH, WHICH IS BAD, BUT YOU KNOW, IT WAS ROLLING DOWN MY FACE.

>> Alcindor: JOHN, WHO CURRENTLY INSTALLS PHONE LINES, SEES THEY MILITARY AS A A BETTER LIFE. BUT CONGRESSMAN STEVE RUSSELL, A REPUBLICAN FROM OKLAHOMA AND ARE REARMY LIEUTENANT COLONEL, SAYS MILITARY SERVICE SHOULD NOT BE USED TO RESOLVE IMMIGRATION PROBLEMS.

>> I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH SERVING ALONGSIDE IMMIGRANTS.F MY GOODNESS,AT WERE THE CASE IN THE MILITARY, THEN I PROBABLY NEVER COULD HAVE SERVED A DAY. BUT NEVERTHELESS, WE DON'T NEED TO CHANGE WHAT THE GOOD POLICIES ARE TO ACCOMMODATE SOMEBODY'S AGENDA OR SOBODY'S SCENARIO. Alcindor: RUSSELL THINKS DACA RECIPIENTS SHOULD HAVE TO BECOME ANENT RESIDENTS PRIOR TO SERVING IN THE MILITARY. HE SUPPORTS A PROPOSAL BY PRESIDENT TRUMP TO CREATE AN EVENTUAL DREAMERS, IN EXCHANGE FOR ONDING A WALL ON THE SOUTHERN BORDER AND CURBIER TYPES OF LEGAL IMMIGRATION.

>> WE SEE A LOT OF UNFORTUNATE STORIES WITH THOSE IN A DACA STATUS.AT S WHY I THINK WE NEED TO RESOLVE IT. I THK PRESIDENT TRUMP HONEST HAD PROBABLY THE BEST DEAL LAID ON THE TABLE EARLY ON.

>> Alcindor:OHN ALSO BACKS THE PRESIDENT. HE BLAMES CONGRESS, NOT MR. TRUMP, FOR HIS UNCERTAIN STATUS.

>> I HONESTLY FEEL LIKE TRUMP IS DOING HIS BEST, THEAD NISTRATION IS DOING ITS BEST.

>> Alcindor: HE IS DESPERATE FOR A FINAL DECISION, EVEN IF IT MEANS RETURNING TO BRAZIL.OR SO DTION IS BETTER THAN LIMBO FOR YOU?

>> YEAH. AT LEAST IT'S AN ANSWER. L ST IT'S A NO, INSTEAD OF A MAYBE. I WOULD PREFER NO DEPORTATION. I WOULD PREFER TO ENLIST AND GO TO BASIC AND SHOW HOW AMERICAN I AM, AND YOU KNOW, I REALLY WANT TO BE HERE. BUT IT'S JUST, AT LEAST, AT LEAST IT'S AN ANSWER.

>> Alcindor: FOR NOW, JOHN CANDIDO CONTINUES TO WAIT, UNTIL A POLICY CHANGE FROM WASHINGTON OR A GO-AHEAD FROM THE MILITARY DECIDES HIS FATE. FOR THE PBS NEWSHOUR, I'MYA MICHE ALCINDOR IN SALINA, KANSAS.

>> Woodruff: NOW, PRP'IDENT TRRAUCOUS RALLY IN MONTANA. AS WILLIAM BRANGHAM RERTS, IT WAS A CAMPAIGN-STYLE SPEECH FROM THE PRESIDENT, FILLED WITH NOW-FAMILIAR ATTKS ON POLITICAL TARGETS AND SOME NOTABLE FALSE STATEMENTS, ALL IN SI EFFORT TO REV UP HIS BASE.

>> Brangham: THE PNT WAS IN GREAT FALLS, MONTANA, TO SUPPORT THE SENATE BID OF PUBLICAN MATT ROSENDALE. ROSENDALE IS TRYING TO UNSEAT INCUMBENT DEMOCRATIC S, JON TESTER.

>> A VOTE FOJON TESTER IS A VOTE FOR CHUCK SCHUM, NANCY ( AUDIENCE REACTS ) AND THE NEW LEADER OF TH DEMOCRAT PARTY, MAXINE WATERS. ON>> Brangham: IN THE HOUR SPEECH, THE PRESIDENT RAN THROUGH MANY OF HIS FAVOTE TOPICS, CELEBRATING HIS MOVES ON IMMIGRATION, TAX CUTS AND JOBS, AND CONTINUING TO ATTACK OBAMACARE AND HILLARY CLINTON. BUT THERE WERE ALSO THE PRIDENT'S NOW-REGULAR EXAGGERATIONS AND FALSEHOODS. HE MISSTATED HIS ELECTORAL WIN, U.S. ENERGY EXPORTS, HOW HE'D BEEN CLEARED OF COLLUSION WITH RUSSIA BY CORESS. IN ATTACKING DEMOCRATS ON IMMIGRATION, HE AGAIN FALSELY IMPLIED THAT IMMIGRANTS COMMIT HIGH LEVELS OF CRIME AND ARE AN ECONOMIC DRAIN ON AMERICA. STUDIES SHOW IMMIGRANTS COMMIT LESS CRIMES, COMPARED TO NATIVE- BORN AMERICANS, BUT THAT'S NOT HOW THE PRESIDENT FRAMES IT:

>> THE DEMOCRATS WANT OPENRD S, WHICH MEANS LOTS OF CRIME. WE WANT TOUGH, STRONG, PROTECTED BORDERS. AND WE WANT NO CRIME. TVOTE FOR THE DEMOCRATS IN NOVEMBER IS A VOLET MS-13 RUN WILD IN OUR COMMUNITIES. TO LET DRUGS POUR IN CITIES AND TO TAKE JOBS AND BENEFITS AWAY FROM OUR HARD- WORKINAMERICANS. AND WE ARE NOT LETTING IT HAPPEN.

>> Brangham: THE PRESIDENT ALSO MOCKED THE SLOGAN FOGEORGE H.W. BUSH'S EFFORT TO BOOST VOLUNTEERISM, "A THOUSAND POINTS OF LIGHT."

>> THOUSAND POINTS OF LIGHT. WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?

>> Brangham: AND HE AGAIN WENT AFTER MASSACHUSETTS DEMOCRATIC SENATOR ELABETH WARREN, A WOMAN HE REPEATEDLY CALLS "POCHOHANTAS" BECAUSE SHE'S SAID SHE HAS NATIVE AMERICANCE RY.

>> LET'S SAY I'M DEBATING POCAHONTAS. I PROMISE I'LL DO THIS-- YOU KNOW THOSE KITS THEY SELL ON AGLEVISION FOR $2? LEARN YOUR HERIT WE WILL TAKE THAT LITTLE KIT-- BUT WE HAVE TO DO IT GENTLY. WE ARE IN THE "ME TOO" GENERATION. WE WILL TAKE IT, VERY GENTLY, AND SLOWLY TOSS IT.

>> Brangham: ROSENDALE'S MPAIGN HOPES THE PRESIDENT'S VISIT WILL BOOST HIS CHANCES IN NOVEMBER. HE'S CURRENTLY POLLING SEVERAL POINTS BEHIND TESTER. FOR THE PBS NEWSHOUR, I'MAN WILLIAM AM.

>> Woodruff: AND LATE TODAY, JENNA HAGER BUSH DEFENDED HER GRANDFATHER'S "THOUSAND POINOF IGHT" PHRASE TO HIGHLIGHT COMMUNITY VOLUNTEER PROGRAMS. SHE TWEETED, "A POINT OF LSIHT WAS A ABOUT SERVING OTHERS, ONE THAT LIT UP OUR UNCOUNTRY, ONE I HOPE OUR Y HASN'T LOST." ON THE RALLY, PRESIDENT TRUMP ALSO BRIEFLY MEN HIS SEARCH FOR THE NATION'S NEXT PREME COURT JUSTICE. HIS PICK COULD END UP SHIFTING THE COURT'S IDEOLOGICAL TILT FOR YEARS TO COME. THE STARTING POINT WAS A SHORT LIST WITH THNAMES OF 25 POTENTIAL NOMINEES. MOST NEWS REPORTS OF LATHAVE FOCUSED ON THESE THREE: 53-YEAR-OLD BRETT KAVANAUGH, A FEDERAL PEALS COURT JUDGE IN WASHINGTON. 51-YEAR-OLD RAYMOND KETHLEDGE, FROM THE APPEALS COURT BASED IN CINCINNATI. AND 46-YEAR-OLD AMY CONEY BARRETT, FROM THE APPEALS COURT IN CHICAGO. SOME CONSERVATIVES HAVE TAKEN SIDES-- LIKE IN ESE OPINION COLUMNS-- LINING UP BEHIND THEIR FAVORITE FINALISTS. SOME SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES, IN BOOSTING BARRETT, HAVE RAISED DOUBTS ABOUT KAVANAUGH'S COMMITMENT TO THEIR CAUSE, SPURRING OTHERS TO DEFEND KAVANAUGH'S CONSERVATIVE JUDICIAL RECORD.

>> I HAVE DEDICATED MY CAREER TO PUBLIC SERVICE.

>> Woodruff: KAVANAUGH'S LENGTHY WASHINGTON RESUME INCLUDES A STINT WORKING IN PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH'S WHITE HOUSE. MR. BUSH NOMINATED KAVANAUGH TO HIS CURRENT JUDGESHIP MORE THAN OSCADE AGO, AND IT WAS JUSTICE KENNEDY-- A FORMEROF KAVANAUGH'S-- WHO DID THE SWEARING-IN. C "KENNERK," "BUSH NOMINEE," AND "EXPERIENCED JUDGE"-- THOSE AR KETHLEDGE AS WELL.T BUT MOST OF HIS LEGAL HAS BEEN IN MICHIGAN, AND AT THE PEALS COURT IN OHIO. BARRETT CLERKED FOR A DIFFERENT JUSTICE-- THE CONSERVATIVE ICON ANTONIN SCALIA. SHE WAS A NOTRE DAME LAW PROFESSOR UP UNTIL LAST YEAR, WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP NOMINATED HER TO THE FEDERAL BENCH. AT HER CONFIRMATION HEING, THE CATHOLIC BARRETT WAS SHARPLY QUESTIONEDY SENATOR DIANNE FEINSTEIN ABOUT HER VIEWS ON RELIGION:

>> I THINK WHATEVER A RELIGION IS, IT HAS ITS OWN DOGMA. THE LAW IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT. WHEN YOU READ YOUR SPEECHES, THE CONCLUSION ONE DRAWS IS THAT THE DOGMA LIVES LOUDLY WITHIN YOU.

>> AS I SAID TO THE COMMITTEE, I WOULD FAITHFULLY APPLY ALL SUPREME COURT PRECEDENT.

>> Woodruff: SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES RALLIED BEHIND BARRETT AFTER THAT EXCHANGE, AS THEY ARE NOW, WHILE THE PRESIDENT CONSIDERS HIS OPTIONS. AND THAT BRINGS US TO THE TIALYSIS OF BROOKS AND KLEIN. THAT IS "NEW YORS" COLUMNIST DAVID BROOKS, AND EZRA KLEIN OF vox.com. MARK SHIELDS IS OFF THIS WEEK. WELCOME TO BOTH OF YOU. SO M TALK ABOUT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO START, DAVID, WITH WHERE WE JUST LEFT OFF, T SUPREME COURT VACANCY. OF COURSE, WE DON'T KNOW WHATIS THE PRESIDENOING TO DO, BUT IF IT'S DOWN TO THESE THREE, WHAT DOES THAT TELL US ABO WHAT HE WANTS THE SUPREME COURT TO BE, ABOUT HIS THINKING ABOUT REPLACING JUSTICE KENNEDY?

>> WELL, IT'S LIKE W GOT OUR OLD REPUBLICAN PARTY BACK BECAUSE THESE THREE ARE NOT TRUMPY PPLE, THEY ARE PRETTY ELITE, PRETTY ESTABLISHED, AND IT'S A TESTINY TO THE FEDERALIST SOCIETY, WHICH IS A CONSERVATIVE LEGAL SOCIETY THAT STARTED IN THE80s DESIGNED TO TURN TALENT INTO JUDGESHIPS, AND THEY'VE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES OF PRODUCING JUST THIS FUNNEL OF TALENT THAT GOES UP TO ALL THE COURTS BUT ESPECIALLY THE SUPREME COURT, AND, SO, WHOEVER THE REPCAN PRESIDENT IS, THERE IS JUST THIS WHOLE SERIES OF THEME WHARE WELL CALLED, PRETTY TEMPERATE, WELL CONNECTED WITH EACH OTHER ANDTHEY'RE JUST READY MADE. SO IT'S MADE TO ORDER. IT'S NOT A TRUMPY SET OF PEO IT'S A VERY ESTABLISHMENT SET OF JURISTS.

>> Woodruff: ESTABLI SET, EDS EZRA?

>> I THINK IT'S RIGHT. DONALD TRUMP MADE A DEAL WITH THE REPSHUBLICAN ESTABNT, YOU DON'T LIKE ME, I DEFINITELY DO NOT LIKE YOU, BUT IF YOU UNI BEHIND MU GET YOUR SUPREME COURT PICKS. HE BROUGHT OUT A DOCUMENT AND SAID THESE ARE THE PEOPLE I WILL MAKE GOOD AT. THERE ARE A LOT OF PLACE WHERE IS HE'S BEEN AN UNUSUAL PRESIDENT, BUT THESE ARE NOT DIFFERENT PICKS THAN WHAT WED WOVE EXPECTED FROM A PRESIDENT TED CRUZ. WHERE WE THINK IS A BIT OF BETRAYAL, DONALD TRUMP IS ALSO MAKING A DEAL WITH VOTERS ANDSA NG I CARE ABOUT MEDICARE, MEDICAID, SOCIAL SECURITY, I WON'T LET ANY HURT THESE PROGRAMS AND SOME OF THESE PICKS, PARTICULARLY CAVANAUGH, THEY'RE VERY PRO BUSINESS, VERY ANTI-SAFETY NET, TI-GOVERNMENT ACTION PICK. BY THE SAME TOKEN BYEDHICH CRUZ COULD BE MAKING THE PICKS, A LOT OF REPUBLICANS LIKE DONALD LIUMP BECAUSE HE WASN'KE TED CRUZ BECAUSE HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MORE OF A POPULIST AND THAT IS ALSO ABSENT FROM THIS PROCESS.

>> Woodruff: WHAT ABOUT THISO WHAT APPEARS OPEN SQUABBLING AMONG SOIAL CONSERVATIVES WHO WOULD PREFER AMY BARRETTE TO CAVANAUGH.

>> THIS WOULD DENITELY BE IN THE BOTTOM FIVE%. MOST SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES ARE MORE FOR BAR BARED, SOME FOR E v WADEREASONS AS RO IS GOING TO BE A BIG ISSUE, A MAN ON THE COURT, THEY WOULD LIKE TO GET OUT OF THE HARVARD-YALE GROUP AND SHE'S SLIGHTLY OUTSIDE THAT GROUP. CAVANAUGH IS MORE BRUGD IN TO THE CONSERVATIVE ESTABLISHMENT HERE. AS EZRA SAID, HE HAS A MUCH BIGGER RECORD ON ECONOMIC AND REGULATORY ISSUES HAN SHE DOES. SHE'S MORE CLOICIAL CONSERVATIV D BECAME A LIGHTNING ROD WHEN F DIANNSTEIN STARTED TO QUESTION HER CATHOLIC DOGMA AND THAT BECAME ARALYING CRY FOR SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES. THE CAVANAUGH PEOOE ARET AGAINST BARRETTE, VICE VERSA.

>> Woodruff: WE'RE MAYBE MAKING TOO MUCH OFHIS?

>> WE'LL SEE. IT DEPENDS ON WHO HE PICKS. I AGREE IT'S NOT A HUGE FEUD INSIDE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY RIGHT NOW.

>> Woodruff: AND WE DON'T KNOW. ESSING. TO KEEP STR WE DONT'S KNOW WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO TILL THE ANNOUNCEMENT. MOND

>> THAT'S GOING TO BE THE NAME OF MY MEMOIR FOR THE TRP ADMINISTRATION, "OF COURSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PRESIDENT WILL DO."

>> Woodruff: WE'LL REEMBER THAT. ANOTHER PERSONNEL MOVE THIS WEEK. THIS ONE IS ON THE WAY OUT, EZRA, SCOTT PRUITT, THE HEAD OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY, A LOT OF NEWS STORIES ABOUT HIM OVER THE LAST YEAR ORA SO ABOLLEGED ETHICAL LAPSES, SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN BORN OUT, OTHERS ARE STILL BEING INVESTIGATED. DOES THIS TELL US SOMETHING ABOUT THE OESIDENT HANGI TO HIM SO FAR, OR IS IT HE'S DONE AND WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CHAPTER?

>> I THINK, IF WE JUST LET THIS BE A MOVE ON, WE WILL HAVE MADE G MISTAKE. YES, THIS TELL US A LOT ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP, ABOUT THEIR MANAGEMENT STYLE. SCOTT PRUITT'S LEVEL OF 'ORRUPTION WAS A MAGNIFICENT THING, SOMETHINGE ALMOST NEVER SEEN. THE THINI THI IT SHOWED ABOUT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, I THINK WE'VE SEEN THIS IN OTHE PLACO, IS THEY'VE BECOME SO USED TO OUTRAGE, THEY HAHVE THISE IDEA ABOUT TRIGGERING THE LIBS, DOING THINGS THEIR OPPONENTS DON'T LIKE, AND THERE ISUCH DEEPRIBALISM THAT IT BEGINS TO DESTROY THEIR OWN IMMUNE SYSTEM FOR SEEING WHEN SOMEONE IS A DETRIMENT TO THEM, THEIR ADMINISTRATION. IT WAS POWERFUL IN 2016 FOR DOLD TRUMP TO RUNAS A GUY WHO WILL DRAIN THE SWAMP, AND AGAINST THE PERKS LIKE HILLARY CLINTON TOOK WHEN THEY LEFT OFFICE. HE WILL GET TAGGED WITH PEOPLE USING THE PUBLIC DIME TAKE FIRST CLASS FLIGHTS AND BUILDING FANCY TELEPHONE BOOTHS. THE FACT THIS GUY WAS DEEPLY CORRUPT, ITS SAYS A LOT ABOUT OUR MAGGOT STYLE AND WHATTH R -- THEIR MANAGEMENT STYLE AND WHAT THEIR BLIND SPOTS. ARE

>> IT'S LIKE THE NORMAL PERSON, DO I GET A SWEETHEART WIFE DEAL CONNECTED TO A LOBBYIST. NORMAL RED FLAGS, I COULD GET IN TROUBLE, BUT HE DID THIS OVR AND OVER AGAIN WHERE THE RED FLAGS WEREN'T GOING OFF.I TO ME, THEGER PROBLEM WITHIN THE E.P.A., IT DID BECAME VIPERS ATTACKING EACH OTHER. THERE WAS NO CAMARADERIE, NO SENSE OF WE'RE PART OF THI TOGETHER, AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN FLEEING AGENCY, TRUMP APPOINTEEI HAVE BEEN FL IT FOR MONTHS BECAUSE THE ATMOSPHERE WAS SO POISONOUS. AND SO THEE CORE ISSURE IS CHARACTER AND HE SEEMS TO LACK CHARACTER, HAVE A VICIOUS OR VIOLENT CHARACTER, AT THE SAME TIME HE'S TRYING TO MANEUVER TOO GE LIKE SECRETARY OF STATE AND ATTORNEY GENERAL. SO, YOU KNOW, CHARAER IS DESTINY, I GUESS EXCEPT IN THE OVAL OFFICE IT DOESN'T MATTER.

>> Woodruff: I W TO GET TO IMMIGRATION. I WANT TO ASK YOU BOTH ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S SPEECH LAST NIGHT, SOME OF THE THINGS HE SAIWE E HEARD HIM, EZRA, GO AFTER ELIZABETH WARREN. THERE WAS, OF COURSE, THE POINTS OF LIGHT COMMENT, WHICH YOU COULD INTERPRET IT AS A CRITICISM OF PRESIDENT GEORGE H.W. BUSH, BUT THERE WERE MRE COMMENTS, MAXINE WATERS, THEOM CONGRESSWOMAN ALIFORNIA, THEN GETTING IT WRONG ABOUT RONALD REAGAN AND THE EECTORAL COLLEGE AND WISCONSIN AND YOU COULD SAY WE'RE MAKING TOO MUCH OF. THIS IS THIS MORSAE TO HAVE THE OF TRUMP? DOES IT STICK OR LAND ANYWHERE? THE CROWD SEEMED VERY ENTHUSIASTIC.

>> WE ARE MAKING TOO MUCH OF. THIS THIS IS ON AGHT WHEN DONALD TRUMP'S UNBELIEVABLY CORRUPT E.P.A. CEF RESIGNS, ON A NIGHT THEY NAME BILL SCHINE OUSTED AS DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF, AND ON ANY OTHER NIGHT HE CAN MOUNT THE STAGE D LAUNCH INSULTS AND THE MEDIA WILL SORT OF RUSH TO COVER IT AND HE'S BACK ON GROUND THAT'S FIRM, I'M , AINST THEM, THEY'RE AGAINST ENEMIES ARE YOUR ENEMIES. THERS NOT A LOT OF NEW INFORMATION ENCODED IN THESE RALLIES. AT SOME POINT, I WONDER WHEN WEI STOP L HIM BE OUR ASSIGNMENT EDITOR THIS EASILY. I MEAN, YOU WILL BEMWHEN BARACK OBAMA OR GEORGE W. BUSH WOULD GO TO AN OHIO STEINELWO FACTORY AND THEY WOULD GET NO COVERAGE FOR A CAREFULLY WORDED SPEECH COMPARED TO WHAT DONALD TRUMP GETS FOR THESE OFF THE CUFF MONOLOGUES. I THINK IT SAYS SOMETHING BAD ABOUT US.

>> Woodruff: HE'S NOT OUR ASSIGNMENT EDITOR BUT WE DO SPEND A FEW MINUTES ON IT. WE FELL INTO THAT.

>> I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, WE DON'T WANT THE GUY TO CON OUR BRAIN, AND YET IT'S LIKE THE D OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE AND HE'S A MASTER AT THAT. ONE HAE TO SAY, WELL,VE TO KEEP OBJECTING, AND THERE ARE TIDBITS THAT ARE PSYCHOLOGICALLY INTERESTING, THE FACT HE D KNOW WHAT THE THOUSAND POINTS OF LIGHT IS, WHAT'S IT ABOUT, CAUSE IT INVOLVES EMPATHY. THAT'S CHARACTERISTICALLY INTERESTING. BUT I THINK BREAKING FREE FROM THE ENTERTAINMENT ZONE HER CREATES ISOBABLY ON THE BALANCE. EZRA HAS PERSUADED ME TO GO AGAINST MY EARLIER --

>> HA HA.

>> Woodruff: LET'S TAOUT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN IN THE NEWS EVERY DAY THIS WEEK AND R WEEKS IS THE IMMIGRATION, THE REALLY, SOME OF THEM HORRIFIC, STORIES OF CHILDREN, AFTER BEING SEPARATE LISA DESJARDINS REPORTING ABOUT THIS LAWSUIT THAT A NUMBER OF DECRATIC ATORNEYS GENERAL HAVE FILED, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION SAYING YOU'VE GOT TO STO TREATING CHILDREN THIS WAY. WE'VE HEARD MORE OF IT TONIGHT. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT IS RUBBING OFF ON THE PRESINT? ARE PEOPLE SEPARATING IT? ARE HIS SUPPORTERS SIMPLY LOOKING AT THAT AND SAYING, OH, IT'S JUST THE LEFT AND THE PRESS GOING AFTER HIM AGAIN?

>> I REMEMBER WHEN CAY TRIFA NA HAPPENED. THE FIRST NIGHT MARK SHIELDS AND I SAW IT ON LIVE TV,E WERE APPALLED. WHEN WE SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE KIDS THAT LITERALLY REMINDS ME OF KATRINA, AND IT SHOULDN'T BE HAPPENING IN THIS COUNTRY, IT'S ABHORRENT. BUT WITH KATRINA, WE'VE SEEN A BIG LIFT IN THE PRESIDENT'S APPROVAL RATING. THERE'S SLIGHT DECLINE IN THE PRESIDENT'LAAPPROVATING LAST WEEK. TO ME THE TRIBAL WARRE HAS BECOME SO RIGID IT'S ALMOST AS IF NOTHING CAN MOVANYTHING. WHILE WE SEE IMAGES WHICH SHOULD BE HORRIFIC OF ANYBODY OF ANY POLITICAL PERSUASION, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO MOVE POLITICS.

>> I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. THE PLACE WHERE I WANT TO PUS ON THIS -- AND IT'S NOT ABOUT THE POLITICS, BUT IT'S ABOUT THE FALSE CHOICE WEARE BEING OFFERED. WHAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION SAID IS WE HAVE TWO CHOICES, ONE IS WE CAN TREAT FAMILIES UNIMAGINABLY CRUELLY BY SEPARATING THEM FROM THEIR CHILDREN OR DETAINING THE WHOLE FAMILY FOR AS LONG AS THEY WANT TO, OR WE CANNOT ENFORCE OUR LAWS. BOTH TO HAVE THE FIRST TWO OPTIONS ARE ILLEGAL. COURTS RULED AGAINST THE INDEFINITE DETENTION OF THE FAMILY AND SPARATING CHILDREN FROM THE FAMILY, AT THIS POINT. THEY'RE DOING SOMETHINNOW IS NOT ALLOWED BY THE COURTS. THEY'RE SAYING, ON THE OTHER HAND, WE HAVE TO ENFORCE THE LAW. WE COULD GIVE ANKLE BRACELETS WHICH WE'VE DONE BEFORE. FOLKS WHO HAVE ALREADY PASSED AN INTERVIEW, IF THEY HAVE ABA CREDIBLE THREACK HOME, IF THEY HAVE AN ANKLE BRACELET, 90% OF THE TIME --oo >>uff: THEY STAY. CRUELTY IS NOT THE ONLY CHOICE. WE WE CAN BE A BETTER COUNTRY LOILE STILL FOLNG THE LAWS AND STILL MAKE SURE PEOPLE SHOW UP AND MAKING SURE WE' SECURE AND WE SHOULD BE.

>> I WOULD JUST SAY DEMOCRATSEM O BE WALKING INTO THE TRARNTION AT LEAST SOME THEM, BY SAYING LET'S GET RID OF.C.E WHICH STRIKES ME AS PURE MADNESS HISTHE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE IS AN ACTUAL AGENCY THAT DOES GOOD THINGS LIKE FIGHT TRAFFICKING, SO DEMOCRATS WALKING TO THE OTHERXTREME ARE MAKING A POLITICALLY AND ALSO

>> Woodruff: BUT IS THIS FAMILY SEPARATION POLICY, DOES IT SAY SOMETHINGDAVID, ABOUT THE PRESIDENT, ABOUT HIS VALUES, OR IS IT JUST --

>> WELL, I WOULD PUT IT IN A GLOBAL CONTEXT. A LOT OF COUNTRIES ARES DITURBED BY A NUMBER OF PEOPLE CROSSING THEIR BORDERS. TO KEEP THOSE PEOPLE OUT, IT TAKES CRUELTY, AND, SO, YOU COULD EITHER FIND WAYS TO DO IT IN THE LEAST CRUEL POSSIBLE MANNER OR YOU CAN SAY WE'RE GOING TO SHOW SOME REAL CRUELTY AT WILL DETER PEOPLE FROM COMING HERE, AND THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS CLEARLY MAD THAT CHOICE AND THEY'RE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE LEVELS OF CRUELTY THAN I THINK MOST OF US WOULD BE.

>> Woodruff: WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE IT THERE. DAVID BROOKS, EZRA KLEIN. THANK YOU BOTH.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Woodruff: FINALLY TONIGHT, A VISIT WITH COMEDIAN DAVE CHAPPELLE, AND HOW HE'S RETURNED IN A MAJOR WAY THIS PAST YEAR. JEFFREY BROWN HAS A LOOK AT HOW CHAPPELLE'S STANDUP SHOWS ON NETFLIX ARE GETTING LOTS OF ATTENTION, BUT ARE ALSO THE SUBJECT OF CRITICISM IN A WAY THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE PAST.

>> Brown: ASK DAVE CHAPPELLE ABOUT THE "JOB" OF BEING A COMEDIAN, HE SAYS THIS:

>> I DON THINK PEOPLE PAY MONEY TO SEE A GUY SPEAK PRECISELY AND CAREFULLY. I DON'T THINK THEY WANT TO PAY TO SEE SOMEBODY WORRIED ABOUT THE REPERCUSSIONS OF WHAT THEY SAY. THEY JUST WANT TO SEE SOMEONE TRY TO GET AT SOMETHING HONEST, OR MAY SOMETHING RELATABLE, OR HAVE SOME FUN WITH SOMETHING. DON'T YOU THINK IT SUSPICIOUS, JUST A LITTLE BIT SUSPICIOUS, THAT EVERY DEAD BLACK PERSON POLICE FIND HAS CRACK SPRINKLED ON THEM? I MEAN, COME ON.

>> Brown: BEGINNING IN THE MID- '90s, IN TV SPECIALS...

>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE FIRST, AND MBE ONLY, RACIAL DRAFT IN NEW YORK CITY.

>> Brown: ...AND HIS BRILLIANT LLMEDY CENTRAL "CHAPPESHOW," DAVE CHAPPELLE MADE A NAME FOR HIMSELF AS ONE OF THE SMARTEST AND SHARPESTOMEDIANS AROUND. ALWAYS UNPREDICTABLE ALIVE TO THE CRAZINESS AND CONTRADICTIONS OF AMERICAN CULTURE, ESPECIALLY THE WAY IT DEALS WITH RACE.

>> FOR SHIZZLE.

>> Brown: HE WALKED AWAY FROM THE LIMELIGHT FOR NEARLY A DECADE, MAKING ONLY OCCASIONAL APPEARANCES.

>> THIS IS THE AGE OF SPIN.

>> Brown: BUT STARTING LASTD FALL, HE RETUR A BIG WAY, RELEASING FOUR NETFLIX SPECIALS, BEST COMEDYAMMY F ALBUM, AND TOURING THE COUNTRY WITH HIS STANDUP. WE TALKED RECENTLY BEFORE A SHOW AT SAN FRANCISCO'S HISTORIC FILLMORE AUDITORIUM.

>> I STARTED REALLY YOUNG, SO YOU'VE GOT TO THREK, LIKE, THIS TIONSHIP I HAVE WITH AN AUDIENCE IS ONE OF THE MOST CONSISTENT RELATIONSHIT I TVE IN MY LIFE, AT MY AGE. THIS IDEA OF TALKIPEOPLE THIS WAY AND THEM LISTENING. IT MEANS A LOT FOR PEOO BE ABLE TO STAND UP SOMEWHERE AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT I THINK OR THIS IS HOW I FEEL. I'M BLACK, BUT I'M ALSO DAVE CHAPPELLE.

>> Brown: THERE'S STILL PLENTYID OFSPLITTING HUMOR, AND CHAPPELLE'S CONTINUED TO PUSH BUTTONS, BUT NOW MANY ARE PUSHING BACK, CRITIC OF HIS JOKES INVOLVING TRANSGENDER PEOPLE, FOR EXAMPLE, ATS OF HIS ROUTINE THAT FOCUS ON SEXUAL MISCONDUCT CHARGES AGAINST PROMINENT MEN, INCLUDING FELLOW COMEDIAN LOUIS C.K.

>> THIS IS, LIKE, WHERE IT'S HARD TO BE A MAN. ONE LADY SAID, "LOUIS C.K. MASTURBATED IN FRONT OF ME, RUINED MY COMEDY DREAMS." WORD? ( LAUGHS ) WELL, THEN, I DARE SAY, MADAM, YOU MAY HAVE NEVER HAD A DREAM. ( LAUGHS ) COME ON, MAN. THAT'S A BRITTLE SPIRIT. ( LAUGHS )

>> Brown: A REGULAR THEME FO CHAPPELLE NOW: THAT AMERICANS TODAY ARE OVERLY SENSITIVE ABOUT WHAT CAN AND CANNOBE SAID IN PUBLIC. I ASKED IF HE FELT THAT WAY.

>> YES AND NO. SOMETIMES I THINK THAT WE'RE PAINFULLY DESENSITIZED BECAUSEE WEMBARDED BY SO MUCH INFORMATION. AND THEN OTHER TIMES I THINK PEOPLE WHO ARE OUTRAGED BY IT, IT'S JUST A LOT TO BE MAD AT, ESPECI MUCH.EN YOU KNOW SO IM I THINK IT'S A CHALLENGING TIME, I THINK IN ALIKE THAT, I FOR ONE FIND SOLACE IN THE ARTS. T HAVE TO AGREE WITH ALL THE ART I CONSUME, BUT IT HELPS ME UNDERSTAND ACTUALLY FEEL ABOUT IT.

>> Brown: ARE YOU SURPRISED BY THE CRITICISM THAT'S COME YOUR WAY?

>> NO. AND I DON'T MIND THAT PEOPLE GET UPSET. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THIS CRITICISM IHELPFUL. I GET EDUCATED BY IT. I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITHOF ALT, BUT I LEARN ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS JUST FROM MY CRITICS.

>> Brown: ONE RECENT SPECIAL, TITLED "BIRD REVELATION" BEGAN WITH CHAPPELLE THINKING ALOUD ABOUT HUMOR'S BOUNDARIES.

>> I SAY A LOT OF MEAN THINGS, BUT YOU GUYS GOT TO REMEMBER, I'M NOT SAYING IT TO BE MEAN. I'M SAYING IT BECAUSE IT'S FUNNY. ( LAUGHTER ) AND EVERYTHING'S FUNNY TILL IT HAPPENS TO YOU.

>> Brown: IF BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO SOMEONE ELSE, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY FUNNY.

>> LOOK AT IT THIS WAY. I GREW UP IN THE CRACK EPIDEMIC. I TELL JOKES ABOUT IT, IN THE CRACK EPIDEMIC, AND NOW THERE'S THE OPIOID EPIDEMIC. ARE THEY TREATING THE OPIOID EPIDEMIC THE WAY THEY TREATED THE CRACK EPIDEMIC? NO, THIS IS A "NATIONAL HEALTH EMERGENCY." C WHEN WE WEING UP, WE WERE POLICED BY THE NATIONAL GUARD. ADDICTS WERE CRIMINALS. NOW, THEY'RE SAYING ADDICTS AR A "SICK" PEOPL MAYBE IT'S USE THE DEMOGRAPHIC OF T OPIOID EPIDEMIC IS NOT THE SAME DEMOGRAPHIC OF THE CRACK EPIDEMIC. Brown: RACIALLY. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RACE.

>> RIGHT. SO NOW TT YOUR COMMUNITY IS GETTING DESTROYED, IT'S A WHOLE OTHER BALL GAME. IT'S A HUGE WINDOW OF EMPATHY. OH MY GOD, WE CAN SEE CH OTHER WE BOTH WENT THROUGH SIMILAR PAIN. I'M JUST SAYING, "EVERYTHING'S FUNNY UNTIL IT HAPPENS TO YOU" IS MORE ABOUT EMPATHY. THERE BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD. SCARY BEING A WHITE DUDE NOW, ISN'T IT? A LITTLE BIT, NO? WELL, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET" ME TOO-ED." YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. IT'S FUNNY FOR A BLACK DUDE TO SEE WHITE PEOPLE GO THROUGH THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS HOW IT ALWAYS IS FOR US. ALL MY HEROES WERE EITHER MURDERED BY THE GOVERNMENT OR ARE REGISTERED SEX OFFENDERS. ( LAUGHTER )

>> Brown: IN THE "ME TOO" MOMENT, DOES THAT CHANGE THE LINE FOR YOU OF WHAT YOU FEEL YOU CAN SAY OR NOT SAY?

>> HONESTLY SPEAKING? I HAVE NO IDEA. I DON'T KNOW. WE'RE ALL FIGURING THIS OUT I THINK AT THE SAME TIME TOGETHER. AS A COMEDIAN, THAT CAN BE A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT THING NOT TO TALK ABOUT. AS A HUMAN, IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT THING NOT TO FEEL, TO BE INDIFFERENT TO. EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK IN AMERICA, EVERYONE'S PUSHING THEY INE, IN ONE ANOTHER.PR WE GOT THIIDENT BECAUSE PEOPLE WAS LIKE "WE'VE GOT TO PUSH THE LINE." AND WE HAVE THIS MOVEMENT "WBECAUSE PEOPLE WERE LIKEVE GOT TO PUSH THE LINE." SO THIS IS A RLLY BUSY TIME. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LINE IS. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGE, OBVIOUSLY, BILL COSBY WAS A HERO TO ME...

>> Brown: CHAPPELLE OFTEN TALKS OF BILL COSBY IN HIS ROUTINE

>> ...IT'D BE AS IF YOU HEARD THAT CHOCOLATE ICE CREAM ITSELF HAD RAPED 54 PEOPLE. YOU'D SAY TO YOURSELF, "OH, MAN, BUT I LIKE CHOCOLATE ICE CREAM. I DON'T WANT IT TO RAPE."

>> Brown: OUR CONVERSATION TOOK PLACE SOON AFTER COSBY'S TNVICTION, AND CHAPPELLE SPOKE OF WATCHING ONE VICTIMS OUTSIDE THE COURT.

>> I REMEMBER SEEING HER SOBBING. AND THE EMOTIONAL CONTENT OF HER CRYING-- I CAN'T, ONLY SHE KNOWS WHAT THAT MEANT TO HER. BUT JUSTICE WAS METED OUT FOROM THIS. AND IT DIDN'T LOOK GLEEFUL. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, IT'S TOUGH TO SEE YOURES HEALL, LET ALONE BE A VILLAIN. I WAS EXPLAINING TO SOME OF MY YOUNGER FAMILY MEMBERS, WHO HE WAS AT ONE POINT, JUXTAPOSED TO WHAT'SNED NOW. 'S ASTOUNDING. AND IT'S SAD FOR EVERYBODY. IT'S VERY, VERY-- VERY, VERY, FELT LIKE THIS IS IMPORTANT. Brown: DAVE CHAPPELLE SAYS THAT WHILE HE WALKED AWAY FROM ALL THIS ONCE, HE CONTINUES TO ENJOY GETTING UP ON STAGE." SOMETIMES", HE TOLD ME, "I HAVE THINGS TSAY." FOR THE PBS NEWSHOUR, I'M JEFFREY BROWN AT THE FILLMORE AUDITORIUM IN SAN FRANCISCO.

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