The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer : WETA : November 23, 2009 7:00pm-8:00pm EST; The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer

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>> Lehrer: GOOEVENING. I'M JIMEHRER. THE NEWSHOUR THIS MONDAY, HE LEAD STORY: ECONOMIC SNAPSHOT AS HOME SALERISE. RAY SUAREZ EXAMIS THE TUAROUND PROSPECTS. THEN, AFTER THE OTHER NEWS THE DAY, MARGARET WARNER H THE LATESON A TERRORIST GROUP ALLEGEDLYECRUITING YOUNG SOMALI-AMECAN MEN. JUDY WOODRUFF HAS "BIG PICTURE" CONVERSATION ABOUT HEALTH CARE REFORM AFT SATURDAY'S SENATVOTE. FREDE SAM LAZARO REPORTS ON THE ECONOMIC BOOM IN DIA, AS THE INDIAN PRI MINISTER ARRIVES IN WASHINGTON.

>> MIDDLE CLASS INDIS HAVE A STRONG 30% PERSONALAVINGS RATE. EVEN THOUGHCONOMIC ACTIVIT ISSLOWED IT'S NOWHEREEAR THE NEGATIVE GROWTH IN AMERICA AND EUROPE.

>> Lehrer: AND JEFFREY BROW PRESENTS IMAGES OF E GREAT EPRESSION THROUGH THE LENS O PHOTOGRAPHER DOROTHELANGE. >SHE DEVELOPED AN DERSTANDING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE MUCH MORE WER IN THE PHOTOGRAP BECAUSE SHE FEATURES PEOPLE. MAJOR FUNDING FOR T NEWSHOUR WITH JIM LEHRER IS PROVED BY:

>> WHAT THEORLD NEEDS NOW IS ENERGY. THE ENERGY TGET THE ECONOMY HUMMING AGAIN. THE ENERGTO TACKLE CHALLENGES LIKE CLIMATE CHANGE. WHAT IF THAT ENERGCAME FROM AN ENER COMPANY? EVERDAY, CHEVRON INVESTS $62 MILLION IN PEOPLE, IN IDE-- SEEKING, TEACHING, BUDING. FUELING GROWTH AROD THE WORLD TO MO US ALL AHEAD. THIS IS THE POWER OF HAN ENERGY. CHEVRON.

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>> Lehrer: SIGNS OF RECORY APPEARED IN PTS OF THE ECONOMY TODAY. THE NATIONAL ASSOCTION OF REALTORS REPORTESALES OF EXISTING HOMES WE UP MORE THAN 10% IN OCTOBE THEY HIT THE HIGHEST LEVELS TWO AND A HALF YES. THE INDUSTRY WAS SPURRED INART BY A TAX CRED FOR FIRST-TIME BUYE. BUT THERE WAS LESS ENCOAGING EWS ABOUT AUTOS. THE CLOSELY WATCHED FITC RATINGS SERVICE PRECTED ONLY A MARGINAL ROVERY IN THE INDUSTRNEXT YEAR. WALL STREET TO HEART FROM THE OUSING REPORT. THE FALLING DOLLAR ALSO HELP THE MARKET. THE DOJONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE GAINED MORE THAN 132 INTS TO CLOSE NE 10,451. THE NASDAQ ROSALMOST 30 POINTS TO CLOSE AT 2176. NOW RAY SUAREZ HAS MORE OOUR LEAD STORY VERAGE ON THE ECNOMY.

>> Suarez: R THAT, WE GET TWO VIEWS, FROM MARK ZANI, CHIEF ECONOMIST AT MOODYSECONY.COM, AND JL NAROFF, FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT OF THE NSULTING FIRM NAROFF ECONOMIC ADVISORS. ARK, WHEN YOU LOOK THE MIXED BAGF ECONOMIC NUERS THAT ARE COMINGN DAY BY DAY, THE OES THAT JIM JUST CITED FOR US, WHICHO YOU SEE MORE POINTNG POSITIVE TO A NEGATIVE RESULT?

>> A POSITIVE. TH RECESSION, THE GREAT RECESSION IS OVER. G.D.P., THE LUE OF ALL THE THINGS WEPRODUCE, ISNOW EANDING. SO WE E GROWING AGAIN. THIS IS ALLERY GOOD NEWS. OF COURSE 'RE STILL LOSING JOBS. UNEMPLOYMENT IS STILL RISNG SO THI RECOVE THAT WE'RE I IS STILL A VERY FRAGILE RECORY. NO GUANTEE TH IT EVOLVES INTO NICE, SUSTAING ONOMIC EXPANSION. THE CST ISN'T QUITELEAR T. >>Suarez: JOEL NAROFF, ARE YOU LOONG AT A MTLY POSITIVE OR A MOSTLY NEGATIVE PICTURE?

>> GHT NOW WE ARE SEEING DECENT GROWTH. BUT WHAT WRIES ME IS WHAT MARK JUST COMMENTEDABOUT. IT'S NOT THAT WE MAY HAVE A COUPLE OF GOOD QUARTERS OF GROWTH BUT THE REST OF 2010 AND 201 LOOK LIKE THEY'RE HAPING UP TO BEEALLY REALLY SOFT. THIS RECOVERY COULD GIVE US WHOLE PERIOD OF SUBSTANTIAL... SUBSTANDARD GROW AND A LACK OF JOBS AND A BIPROBLEM AS F AS THECONOMY GOES. SO I'M LOOKING AT IT IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'VE G SOME CONCERNGOING FORWARD.

>> Suarez: THIS A HEAD FAKE? WHAT ARE THE KEY INDICATORS? WHAT ARE YOU LOOKNG AT NOW THAT IS GIVING YOU TIS MIXED OK AT THE EARLY PRT OF NEXT YEAR? WELL, I THINK THE KEY FACTOR ISHE FINANCEECTOR. HILE, YES,T'S STABILIZED. IT'S NOT I GOOD SHAPE AT AL. IT'S OUT OF THE INTENSVE CARE UNIT B INTO THE LONG-TERM CARE UIT. WE WON'T SEE THE PROVISION OF CRET IN ANY MANNER THAT WE USED TO SEE IT WHEN THE ECONOMY BEGAN TO PICUP. BUSINESSES VE A LOT OF PACITY AS FAR AS LABOR IS CONCERNED, AS FAR AS CAPITAL IS CONCNED. THEDON'T HAVE TO HIRE A LOT OF PEOPLE. THEY N'T HAVE TO DO A T OF INVESTMENT. WE'RE NOT GNG TO HAVE THE BUBBLES THAT WE HA IN THE LAST TWO DADES. E'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE TECH BUBBLES. WE'RE NOTOING TO BE THE HOUSING BUBBLE THAT RELY DRVE US AND GAVE USHAT EXTRA STRONG GWTH. TH'S THE CONSTRAINTS TH AREUT THERE. Suarez: AUBBLE-LESS RECOVERY, MARK ZANDI? I THINK SO. BECAUSE I THINKE'VE LEARNED A LESSON FROTHEECH BUBBLE, THE HSING BUBBLE. I THINK IT'S MUC LESS LIKELY THAT THOSE ANIM SPIRITS THAT ONE NEEDS TO CREATE THAT KIND OF ABUBBLE ARE GOING TO CO BACK AT LEAST ANY TIME SOON.

>> Suarez: WT ARE THE KEY MBERS YOU'RE WATCHING AND YOU SUGGEST PEOLE AT HOME WAT TO GET A PICTURE OF EARLY 2010.

>> JOBS JOBS. THAT'SEY. NE GOOD STATIIC IS THE NUMB OF PEOPLE WHO ARE FILINGOR UNINSURANCE EVERY WEEK. TT'S A VERY GOOD REAL-TIME BAROMETER OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE JOB RKET. IT'S COME DOWN. YOU GO BACK, SAY, BACK EARLY THIS YE I WAS RUNNING AROUND $600,000 PER WEEK. EVERY WEEK00,000 PEOPLE WER FILING R UNKBLOIM INSUNCE. WE'RE DOWN TO00,000 PER WEEK. GREAT. HEADED IN THEIGHT DIRECTION. NEED TO BE SOUTH 350,0 R WEEK TO GETHE UNEMPYMENT RATE TO COM DOWN.

>> Suez: THE FIRST-TIME HOME BUYERS' T CREDIT BUOYEDHE HOUSING MARKT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MTHS. IS TT BRINGING NEW BUYERS INTO THE MARKETPLACE OR SIMPLY SHIFTING PLANS? PEOPLWHO WOULD HAVE BOUGHT NEXMONTH, NEXT YEAR, SOMEWHERE DOWN THROAD JUST CHANNG THEIR PLANS TO G THE TAX CREDITS?

>> I THINK IT'S DONE LITTLE BIT OF BOTH. I THI A LOT OF WH WEAW ESPECIALLY THE HUGE SURGEN OCTER W THE FAR ON THE PART OFEOPLE WHO ARE EITHER TO BUY ORGOING TO BUY IN MAYBE T NEXT SIX NTHS IF TH DIDN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IS CREDIT THEY WOULDEVER GET IT. THEY DIDN'T KNOWT THE TIME THAT IT WOULDE EXTENDED. OF URSE IT HAS BEEN EXTENDED BUT I THINK THERE WEREALSO SOME OTHER PEOPLE WH, IF YOU THINK AUT IT, WHEN Y HAVE FIRST-TIME BERS, THEY'RE BUYING RELATIVELY LOWER PICED HOUSES. THEY HAVE TROUBLE GEING TOGETHER THE MONEY FOR A DOWNPAYMENTOR TO PAY FOR THE CLOSING COSTS. THE EXA MONEY WNT A LONG WAY. I THINK IT BOUGHT SOME PEOPLE IO THE MARKET THAT CLELY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SOIT WORKED.

>> Suarez: DOES TH SLOW T OUSING MARKET NEXT YEAR BECAUSE WE GOT AN UNUSUAL BOOSTHIS TIME AROUND?

>> NO BECAUSE CONGRSS JU EXNDED AND EN EXPANDED THE T CREDIT NOW TO MO THAN FIRST-TIMHOME BUYERS. THAT GO INTO NEXT YEAR. I THINK THAT WILL KEEPHE HOUSING MARKET AT LEAST STBLE. BUT MOREROADLY I THIN IT'S VERY IMPORTANT RECOGNIZE THAT THIS RECOVER IS THE RESULT OF THE POLICY RPONSE. A VERY AGGRESSIVE RESPONSE BY THE FEDERAL RESERVE AND BY FISCAL LICYAKERS INCLUDING STIMULUS AND THE FIRST MANY-TIME HOME BUYER TAX EDIT.

>> Suarez: LET'STALK MORE OUT GOVERNMENT POLICY BECAUSE IN THE LASTEVERAL DAYS THERE HAVE BEEN MANY ASSESS MANYS OR ATTEMPTS TO ASSESS THE EFFECT OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION STULUS PACKAGE ON THE WIDER EONOMY. WHERE DO YOU COME DOWN ON THAT QUESTION.

>> I TINK IT'S WORKED. IT'S NO ACCIDENT THAT THIS RECESSION ENDED WHEN IT DID. HAVNG SAIDHAT, THIS RECOVERY IS STILL VE FRAGILE. BUSINESSES LAG T CONFIDENCE AND THE CREDIT NECESSA TO GO OUT AND HIRE. SO IHINK THE ECONOMY STILL NEEDS SUPPORT. SO I WOULD ARGUE TT POLICY MAKERS SHOULD CONTINUE TO PROVIDE TH SUPPORT. Suarez: JOEL NAROFF, ON IS STIMULUS, WHERE DO YOU COME DOWN?

>> I THINKIT HAS WORKED TO A FAIRLY LARGE TENT. TS IS WHERE I THINK MARK AND I AGREE. I THINK THE ID THAT THE STULUS IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO 2010 IS CRITICAL. IF YOU GO BACK T THE DERESSION, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THE DEPRESSION WASN'T ONE LONG RECESSIO THERE WAS A FAILED RECOVERY IN THE MDLE OF THAT. WCAN'T AFFORD A FAILED COVERY AT IS RTICULAR POINT. 'D BE SHOOTING OFF ALL THE BULLS AND THEY WOULDN'T BE THERE ANYRE. SO I INK THE FACT THATE CAN TALABOUT AN EXPANSIONEA, WE CAN WORRY WHETHER IT'S GOINTO BE STRONG ENOUGH TELLS US THAT T STIMULUS RESPONSE ON THE PART OF, AS MARK SAID BOTH THE GOVERNME AND THE FE, HAS WORKED. WE STILL NEED SOME TO MAKE SU WE GET THROUGH 201

>> Srez: JOEL, THIS MORNING'S "NEW YORK TIS" HAD AAUNTING,YE OPENING SET OF NUMBERSBOUT THE CONSUENCE GOVERENT OBLIGATION NOW THAT ALL THIS STIMULUS HAS ROLLED OUT. A T OF MONEY HAS TO BE PAID BACK AND SO OF IT QUITE SO, NO?

>> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. TT'S THE ROCK AND THEARD PLACE. BOTHHE ADMINISTRATION AND THE FED WEREN BETWEE AT THIPOINT. IF THEY IDN'T DO ANYTHING THE ECONOMY WOULD HAVE FALLEN OFF THE CLIFF. WE PROBAY WOULD HAVEAD A RLDWIDE DEEP RECESSIN. WE'D BE TALKING ABOUT 12, 14, 15% UNEMPLMENT RATES THIS PAICULAR POINT. CE WE GET THROUGH TS AND I THINK WETART THINKING ABOUT THIS AS WE GO THROUGH THE FIRST HLF OF 2010 WE HAVE TO CUT THAT BACK. THERE'S NO OPTNS ON THAT. TSE DEFICITS ARE UNSUSTAINABLE. WE ARE THE 8-POUND GORILLA THAT COU REALLY CRUSH THE ECONOMY UNLESS WE STT DOING SOMETHING SOON.

>> Suarez: WE HAVE A HF MINUTE FOR YOU TOESPOND.

>> THINK CUTTING BACK T DEFICIT IN 210 WOULD BE A MISTAKE. THAT MEANS TAX INCREASES AND SPENDING CUTS WHETHE ECONOMY IS STILL VERY FRAGILE INACT, WORKING ON THE DEFICIT IN THE CONG YEAR WOULD BE AN ERROR BUT VING SAID THAT, WE NEED TO FOCUS ON LO-TERM DICIT REDUCTION SO T PRESIDENT S COME OUT NOW AND GIVE US A VERY EAR PATH AS TO HOW HE'S GOING TO REDUCE HIS LONG-RM FICITS BECAUSE IF HE DOES, IT WILL GIVE HI MORE LATITUDE TO ADDRESS THE CURRENT PROBLEMS.

>> Suarez: GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU BOTH.

>> hrer: IN OTHER NEWS TODAY, THE U.S. MILITA

>> Lehrer: OTHER NEWS TODAY, THE U.S. MILITARY ANNOCED FOUR AMERIC TROOPS WERE KILLED IN GHANISTAN OVER THE LAST 24 HOUR WORD OF THE CASUALTIECAME AS PRESIDENT OBAMA CALLE ANOTHER HI-LEVEL STRATEGY SESSION TONIGHT AT THE WHITE HSE. THPRESIDENT IS CONSIDERING WHHER TO SEND MORE TROOPS TO AFGHANISTAN, AN IF SO, HOW MANY. PROSPECTS FOR ELECTIONSN IRAQ NEXT JANUA HAVE DIMMED. E IRAQI PARLIAMENT PASD AN AMENDED ELEION LAW TODAY. B IT DID NOT MAKE CHANGES THA SUNNI ARABS HAVEEMANDED. LASTEEK, THE SUNNI VICE PRESIDENTETOED AN EARLIER VERSION OF THE W. HE ID HE WANTED MORE SEATS FOR IRAQIS LIVING OVERAS. MOST OF THOSE ARE SNIS. THE WERE TOO MANY WORKERS BELOGROUND WHEN A CHINESE CL MINE EXPLODED OVER THE WKEND. A TOP OFFICIAL AT INA'S WORK SAFETY ADMINISTRATIOMADE THE ADMISON TODAY. HESAID THE MINE WAS TRYING TO INCREASE OUTPUT. 104 PEPLE WERE KILLED IN THE GAEXPLOSION IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTRY. A WORKER DESCRIBETHE SCENE INSIDE THE ME.

>> WHEN IT CAMEIT WAS LE A FAST-APPROACHING SD STORM. THE BLA WAS VERY STRONG. WE HELD O TIGHTLY OUR HELME FEARING THEY WOULD BE BLOWN AWA LAT WE USED A GAS DETECTION DEVI AND FOUND THE LEVELS THERE RE TOO HIGH. Lehrer: THE BLAST HAPPENEDT ONE OF CHINA'S STATE-RUN MES. THGOVERNMENT HAS PROMOTED THM AS SAR THAN SMALLER PRIVATE MINES. THE LELS OF GREENHOUSE GASES IN THE EAH'S ATMOSPHERE HIT A RECORD HH LAST YEAR. THU.N. WEATHER AGENCY REPORTED THE FINDING. THE GAS-- CARBON DIOXIDE, NIROUS OXIDE, AND METHANE-- A BELIEVED TO THE MAJOR CAUSE OF GLOBAL WARMING. THEY COME PARTLY FROM TURAL SOURCESSUCH AS WETLANDS, AND PARTLFROM HUMAN ACTIVITY. GOVERNOR RK SANFORD OF SOUTH CAROLINA WILL FACE CIVIL CHARGESF ALLEGEDLY USING HIS OFFICE FOR PERSONAL GAIN. THE STATE ETHICS COMMISSIOLAID UT THE ACCUSATIONS TODAY AGAINST THE O-TERM REPUBLICAN. THEY INVOLVED RLINE TRAVEL AND CAMPAIGN FUNDS. SANRD FIRST CAME UNDER SCRUTINY LA SUMMER, WHEN HE ADMITTED HAVINGN EXTRAMARITAL AFFAIR WITH A WOMAIN ARENTINA. HE COULD BE FINED TO $74,000. AND STILLO COME ON THE NESHOUR TONIGHT, WHAT NEXT FOR HEALTH CARE REFM; INDIA'S ECONOMY; AD DOROTHEA LANGE'S PHOTOGRAPHS. THT FOLLOWS NEW CHARGES OF TERRORISM. MARGARET WARN HAS THE LATEST.

>> Warner: DERA AUTHORITIES ANNOUNCED THOSE CHARES AGAINST EIGHT NEW SPECTS FOR TAKINGART IN RECRUITING DOZENS OF YOUNG MUIM-AMERICAN MEN TO JOIN AN EXTMIST INSURGENCY IN SOMALA. THE DI, UNSEALED IN MINNEAPOLIS, CUSED THE AI OF PROVIDING FINANCING A RECRUITS FOR THE AL SHABAB GROUP WHICH ISIGHTING TO UNSEAT THE SMO YAE GOVERNMENT. THE U.S. CLS AL SHAB A RRORIST ORGANIZATION AND SAYS IT HAS TIES TAL QAEDA. THIS BRINGS TO 14 THE NUMBER WHO HAVE BEEN CHARGED IN THE YEAR-LONG PROBE. WE GET MORE THIS STORY FROM THE ASSOCIATED. HE COVS THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IN WASNGTON. THANKS FOR BEING HE. RST OF ALL, JUST TELLS AUT THIS RRUITMENT TWORK. HOW DID IT ALLEDLY WORK?

>> WELL, ACCORDING TO THE CHARGEWHAT WAS GOING ON WAS THERE WERE PEOE MOVING IN ANDROUND THE SOMALAMERICAN COMMUNITY PARTULARLY IN MINNEAPOLIS. DRAWING IN YOUNG MEN AND SAYIN, YOU SHOULD GO FIGHT FOR YOUR NATIVE HOMELAND. INANY CASES THESEARE MEN WHO ARE EITHER LEGAL RESINTS OF THENITED STATES OR IN SOME CASE CITIZENS OF T UNITED STATS. AND THE REASO WHY THE F.B.I. BECAME SO CCERNED IS IT WAS... IT SEED TO BE A CH BROADER ATTEMPT A ATTPTING TO RADICALIZE PEOPLEN THE UNITED STATES THAN THEY'VE REALLY SEEN BERE.

>> Warner: H DID THE JUSTICE DEPARTNT FIRST GET WISE TO THIS

>> THE INTERESNG FACET OF THIS. ESSENTIALLY THE FMILIES OF MANY OF THE YOUNG MEN CAME FORWARD TO ASK THAT THE F.B.I. HELP I FINDING THEM. YOU KNOW, MANY OFHESE OLDER RELATIVEOF THE YOUNG MEN WERE CONCERN THAT THIS W GONG ON. THEY HAD INKLINGS BUT NO CONCRETE FACTS TO BASE THAT ON. THEY CAME TO B.I. ASKING FOR HELP TO FIND THEIRONS.

>> Warner: THESE YOUNG MEN HAD JUST DAPPEARED.

>> MANY CASES, YES, THEY HAD ESSTIALLY PACKED UPND GONE AND THE FAMILY FEARED THE RST

>> Waer: HAS IT BEEN ABSOLUTELY ESTABLISHED TAT AS T CHARGES LAY OU THAT SOME OF THESE YUNG MEN AT LEAST HAVESHOWN UP IN SOMALIA, THEY HAVE GO TO TERRORIST TRAINING CPS? THEYAVE EVEN ENGAGED IN COMBAT?

>> YES, THERE IS ONE PARTULARLY GRSOME PIECE OF EVIDENCE THAT E F.B.I. HAS TESTED. THAT IS THE REMAINS OF ONE OF THE MEN WERE RECOVEREDROM ONE OF HIS SUICIDE ATTAC. AND THEY CONCLUDE....

>> Warner: SUICIDE ATTACK IN SOMALIA.

>> EXTLY. THERE WAS A SRIES OF COORDINATED SUICID ATTACKS IN SOMALIA. ONE OF THE BOMBERS, SOME OF HI REMAINS WERE RECOVERED AND STED. THEY PROVED CONCLUSIVELY THAT TH IN FACT WAS THE YOU MAN WHO HAD COME FM THE UNITED STATESNEEB NOW THE EIT MEN CHARGED TOD WHO ARE ACCUD OF HELPING TO DO THIS RECRUITMENT AND FINCING, WERETHEY AMERICAN CITIZENS? WERE THEY RESENTS OF THE MINNEAPOLIS AREA? I GATHER THERE WERE OTHERS IN COLUMN USE OHIO THAT DISAPARED.

>> BY AN LARGE MOST OF THE ESCRIPTIONS I'VE SEEN DESCRIBEDHEM AS LEGAL RESIDENTS. SO THE MAY BE A SI GLN OR TWO IN THAT MIXUT I BELIEVE BY AND LARGE EIR LEGAL RESIDENTS OF THE ITED STATES. AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY WORRISOME FOR INVESTIGATORS WHO ALWAYS THINK ABOUT, WE, IF YOU'RE TRAINING SOMEONE TO CONDU TERRORISM AND THEY HA A GAL RIGHT TO RETU TO THE UNITED STATES THAT'S SOMEING TO WORRY OUT VERY MUCH. IN TH CASE SO FAR ALL THEY'VE SEEN ARE FOLKSHO ARE ENGAGING IN THIS ACTIVITY AND JOINING THIS GROUP OVER IN SOMALIA BUT THEYRE VERY COGNIZNT OF THE NOTION THAT SOME OF THESE PEOPLEOULD COME BACK AND THEY HAVE VERY DANGEROUSKILL SET. >I NOTICED THAT THE I GUESS HE WAS THE ASSISTANT S. ATTORNEY SAID, WELL, THIS NVESTIGATION IS ONGOING. DO THEY THI THEY'VE KINDOF GOT THE OUTLINES OF IT OR IS THIS STILL UNFOLDIN

>> I THINK THEY UNDSTAND THE BEHAVIOR INVOLVED. I THINK THEY'RE VRY MUCH STILL LOOKI FOR OTHER PEOPLE ANDTHER PARTICIPANTS I THIS MUCH BROADECTIVITY. YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT INVESTIGATIONS GOING N JUST IN MINNEAPOLIS BUT IN OHIO A IN MASSACHUSETTS AND IN CALIFORNIA. IF YOU LOOK AT E COURT DOCUMENTS, THERE ARE CLEARLY OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED TODAY WHO WE WOULD PREFER NOT TO NAME AT THIS POI THAT THEY'RE LOOKINGERY HARDT. >>Warner: SIX HAD ALREADY BEEN CHARGED BEFORE TODAY. WHAT'S HAPPENED TOHEM?

>> AEW OF THEM I BELIEVE MABE FOUR OF THEM, HAVE PLEADEDGUILTY. ONE OF THE EIGHT TODAYAS ACTUALLY BEE ARRESTED IN THE NETHERLANDS A THE U.S. IS SEEKING TO EXTRADE THAT PERSON. AT PERSON, ACCORDING TOTHE F.B.I IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT PERSON WAS PROVIDING BOTH FINANCI AND DOING RECRUITING. T WAS MORE THAN JUST GOING FIGHTIMSELF ACCORDING TO THE F.B.I., IN THAT PERSON'S CE.

>> rner: NOW THE YOUNG MEN O HAVE LEFT, I GHER THERE ARE AT LEAST 20, MAYBE MORE, WHAT ELSE... WHAT DO THEY HAVE IN COMM? I RAD SOMEWHERE THAT A LOT OF THEM HAD COM HERE AS VERY YOUNG CILDREN.

>> I BELIEVE THAT'S RIGHT. I BELIEVE IN MANY OF THESE CASESOU HAVE YOUNG MEN WHO YOU MIGHTSAY FOR ALL INTENT AN PURPOSES ARE AERICAN RSED. BUT THEYAVE A STRONG EMOONAL FAMILY TIE TO THEIR HOME COUNTRY. IF YOU THK ABOUT IT, THEIR HOME COUNTRHAS ESSENALLY FALLEN APT IN THETIME THEY'VE BEEN AWAY. AT MAY BE A COMPELLI REASON WANT TO GO BACK AND HELP YR HOME COUNTRY BUT VIOUSLY THEOVERNMENT ESN'T WANT YOU DOING THAT BY JOINI TERRORISM OUPS AND FIGHTING, FOEXAMPLE, ETHIOPIAN SOLDIERS.

>> Warner: THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT T JUSTICE DEPARTMT OESN'T HAVE THAT THEY OR THEIRECRUIT HAD ANY DESIGNS ON THEMSING THEM AS AGENTS TO COME BA AND MOUNT ATTACKS HERE.

>> ERE'S NOTHING TO GGEST TH SO FAR. BUT THAT IS ALWAYS EVER PRESENT IN THE MINDS OF THE F.B.I. OFFICIALS AND THE PRSECUTORS THAT CREATING A GRUP OF PEOPLE WITH ESE SLLS WHO HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT OF REENTRY INTO THE UTED STATESIS,N THEIRINES, A NGEROUS AND WORRISOME PROPOSITION. VING SAID THAT, IT'S CLR FRO THE COURT DOCUMENTS THAT THERE ARE SE PEOPLE WHO ARE COOPERATING WITH THE INVTIGATORS IN THIS CASE.

>> Warner: AND THE EIGHT NAMED, YOU SAY O IS ALRDY UNDER ARREST IN THE NTHERLANDS. I GAER NONE OF THEM ARE BELIEVED TO BE HERE INTHE U.S. NOW.

>> AS OF RIGHT NOW, I DON'T BELIEVE SO, NO. I BELIE THEY ARE ESSENTIALLYINLOOKED FOR IN OTHER PARTS OF THE GLOBE.

>> Warner: WHAT HAPNED TO TH SOME WHY UNSEAL THESE CHARGES NOW?

>> I THINK ONE IT'NOT A SURPRISE TO MANY THE SUBS OF THI INVESTIGATION TAT THEY'RE UNDER INVESTIGATION. ONE THE INTERESTING THINGS ABOUT THIS CASE ITHAT THEY'RE INVESTIGATING AND BRINGINGHARGES AS THE PEOPLE WHO AR INVESTIGATING ARE STI TRYING TO DO THE CONDCT THAT THEY'RE UNER INVESTIGATION FOR. THERE'S A BIT OF A GAME GOING ON INERMS OF WHAT CAN THE INVESTIGATORS FINAND WHO CAN THEY CAH. AND HE PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE, THELLEGED CONSPIRIES N TERMS OF WHAT CAN THEY STILL DO WHILE BEING LOED AT BY THE F.B.I..

>> Warner: THANKOU.

>> THANK U.

>> Lehrer: JUDY WOODRUFFAS OUR STORY.

>> Warner: WGET MORE ON THIS STORY NOW FROM "MINNPOLIS STAR TRIBUNE" REPORTER JAMES WALS

>> Lehrer: N, THE ROAD AHEAD R HEALTH CARE REFORM. JUDY WOODRUFF HAS OUR STY.

>> I UPDATEDHE CABINET ON T PROGRESS WE'RE MAKING ON THE HEALTH INSURAE REFORM LISLATION THAT'S MOVINGTS WAY NOW THROUGH THE SENAT REITERATED THE UGENT NEED FOR US TO GETO THE FINI LINE.

>> ANY SENORS WHO WISH TO TE OR TO CHANGE THEIR VOTE.

>> Woodruff: I TOOK A PARTY- LINE VOTE SATURD NIGHT TO SQUEEZE PAST THE LATEST OBSTACLE. 60-39, THEENATE AGREED T BEGIN DEBATE ON MAJORITY LEADER HARRY REID'S HEALTH CARE REFO LEGISLATION. IT AIMS TO EXTEND HEALTH COVERAGE TO AN ESTITED 31 MILION UNINSURED AMERICANS AT A COST OF $848 BILLION OER E NEXT DECADE. AFTER HE VOTE, LEADER REED ACKNOWLEDD HE SILL HAS A LOT OF WK TO DO.

>> E ROAD AHAD IS A LONG STRETCH BUWE CAN SEE THE FINISH LI. WE HA THE MOMENUM. THAT'S GOING TO KEEP THIS PROCESS MOVING. I HAVE NO DOUBT.

>> WoodruffIN FACT, REED NEEDED SWEETENERS JU TO GET DEMOCRATS TO MOVE THE BILL THIS FAR. CLUDING $300 MILLION IN FEDERAL A F SATOR MARY LARIEU'S HOME STATE OF LOUISIANA. AND LDRIEU WANS SHE MIGHT NO SUPPORT THE BILL I THE END.

>> MY VOTE TODAY SHOULD IN N WAY BE CONSTRUED AS AN INDICATION OF HOW I MIGHT VOTE.

>> Woodruff: MODERATE DEMOCRATSOLDING THE CRICAL SWING VOTES GENERALLY OBJCT TO THE CONCEPT OF A PUBLIC OPTION. ARKANS'S BLANCH LINLN. LET M BE PERFECTLYLEAR. I AM OPPOSED TO A NEW GOVERNNTDMINISTERED HEALTH CARE PLAN AS A PART OF COMPREHENSIVE HEALTH INRANCE REFORM.

>> Woodruff: SUNDAY MORNING THERE WE MORE GNS OF CCKS IN THEEMOCRATIC ALITION. APPEARG ON NBC'S "MEET T PRESS" INDEPDENT DEMOCRAT JOE LIERMAN OF CONNECTICUT SAID HE AGREED TO LET DEBATE BEGIN BUT VOW AGA HE WILL NOT VOTE FOR AFINAL BILLHAT INCLUDEANY NEW GOVERNMENT- ONSORED HEALTH INSURANCE.

>> THE PUBLICOPTION IN SENATOR REED'S BILL WI ACTUALLY CHARGE MORE FOR INSURAN THAN THE AVERAGE ARGE BY HEALTH INRANCE COMPANIES. I CAN TELL YOU E THING I'M SURE IT WILL DO IFE CREATE A GOVERNMENT ISURANCE COMPANY IT WILL RUN A DEFICIT. IT ONLY THE TAX PAYERS WHO ARE GOIN TO PAY FOR IT.

>> Woodruff: NEW YORK SENATOR CHARLES SCHUMER AND OTHER DEMOCRATS INSISTEDHAT IF ANYTHING THEUBLIC OPTION NEEDS T BE STRENGTHENED.

>> NEED TO INJECT COMPETION INTO THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY. THE BEST WAY TO DO THA IS A PUBLIC OPTION. THE PROGRAM THAT WE PUT TOGETHERIS SET UP BY THE GOVERNMENT BUT THEN IT'S ON S OWN. THERE IS NO TENT FOR IT TO COPETE UNFAIRLY AGAINST PRIVATE INSURANCE.

>> Woodruff: ON TH OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE REPUBLICAN SENATORS PMISED THEIR ALL TO KILL THE BILL. MINITY LEADER MITCH McCONNELL SPOKE SATURD NIT.

>> WE'RE GOI TO DO ANYTHG AND EVERYTHINWE CANTO PRENT THIS MEASUREROM BECOMIN LAW.

>> Woodruff: DEMOCRATS LIKE CK DURBIN OF ILLINOIS SHOT BACK THEY WANT REBLICAN HEALTH BUT SAID THELL GO IT ALNE IF NEED BE.

>> WE ARE GOINGTO MOVE FORWARD. AFTER TNKSGIVING, EVERYONE WILL HAVE AHANCE TO TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT THIS BILL ON THE INTERNET. WEAN START THISEBATE. I HOPE IT LL BE A MEANINGFUL E AND A POSITIVE ONE. NOT A FILIBUSTER AND LOADED DEBATE WHERE WE ALLY DON'T GET DOWN TO THE BASICS.

>> Woodrf: THE SENATE IS SCHEDULED TO BEGIN DEBA ON THE ALTH CARE BILL NEXT MONDY. NOW TO HELP P THAT DEBATE IN CONTEXT WE'RE >Warner: NOW, TO HELP PUT THA DEBATEN CONTEXT, WE ARE JOINED BY TWO FORMER SECRETAES OF HEALTH ANHUMAN SERVICES. DONNA ALALA SERVED IN THE INTON ADMINISTRATION FROM 19 TO 2001. SHE IS NOW PRESIDENT OTHE NIVERSITY OF MIAMI, AND A PROFESSOR OF POITICAL SCIENCE. AND MICHAEL LEAVITT WKED UNDER PRESIDENT GEORGE. BUSH FROM 2005 TO 2009. A FORMER THREE-TERM GERNOR OF UTAH, HE IFOUNDER AND CHAIRMAN OF HIS OWN NSULTING FIRM. FOR JOINING US. DONNA SHALALA TO YOU RST. BASED ON WT YOU KNOW NOW, DO YOUELIEVE THAT HEALTH CARE REFORM LEGISLATION ISGOING TO PASS THIS YEAR?

>> DO. I DO BECAUSE MILLIONS AMERICANSON'T HAVE HEALTH SURANCE. WE CAN BE COMPETITIVE AS A NATION UNSS WE HAVE VERY TRONG WORK FORCE. I THINK WE' GOING TO GET IT. EVEN IF WE HAVE TO DO IT JUST WITH DEMOCRAT VOTES. MY DEEP HPE IS THAT THERE WILL BE BPARTISAN SUPPORT IN THE END FORTHE BILL. BUT WE'RE GOING TO HA A MAJOR DEBATE. THAT'S GOOD. Woodruff: MICHAEL LVITT, WHAT DO YOU TINK THE OSPECTS ARE?

>> JUDY, I THINK SOMETHING WILL PASS. WHAT WILL ACTUALLY BE INT, WE DON'T KNOW YET TRE'S DEEP CONCERN ABOUTHE ST OF THIS. A DEEPONCERN ABOUT WHAT IT DOES TO THE HEALTH CARE THOSE WHO HAVEINSURANCE ALREAD. THERE DEEP CONCERN ABOUT THE COST OF T. I THINK WE'L HAVE, I AGREE WITH DONNA SHALALA, I THINK WE'RE ING TO SEE A SUBSTANTIAL DEBATE. I THINK SOMETHINGILL PASS. I'M JUSTOT CERTAIN WHAT WILL BE IN IT. I DON'T THINK IT WI BE AS ROBUST ATHE TWO BILLS WE'R EING RIGHT NOW.

>> Woodruff: MICHAEL LEAVITT, AYING WITH YOU, WHAT WOULD HEALTCARE LOOK LIKE IN AMERICA IF IN THIS COUNTRY IF THEULK OF THIS WERE TO PASS, BEME LAW?

>> EVERY AMERICANEEDS TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HEALTH INSURANCE. THAT IS NOT THE DBATE HERE. THE QUESTION IS, HOW CAN WE ACHIEVE TT? SO I LIEVE IF WE HAD THE EAL WORLD THALñ WE WOULD LIKE TO SEEVERY ARICAN HAVING AN AFFORDABLE BASIC INSURAE PLAN. WE WOULD ALSO BEIN TO E REAL DEBATE ON HOW TO REFORM THE SYEM, HOW TO CHANGE TH SYSTEM S THAT WHAT DO HAVE IS HIGH VALUE AN BETTERAND MORE AFFORDABLE AS AOST ELEMENT AND NOT BRAKING OUR COUNTRY ANDAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO D A LOT OF OTHER TINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO IN ADDITION TO HEALTH CARE.

>> Woodff: SECRETARY SHALALA, ICHAEL LEAVT'S ESSENTIALLY SAYING THESE ARE THINGSTHAT ED TO BE DONE BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEING DEBATED IN THIS BILL.

>> WELL, THE MAJORITY OF THE BILL IS ABOUT COVERAGE. AND FIRST Y HAVE TO DO COVERAGE. COVERS UP TO 94% OF AMERICANS WI HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE. FINALLY. THERE ARE SOME COST CONTAINMENT MEASES. IFACT IF WE G MORE PEOPLE COVERED, WE'LLSTOP THIS COST SHIFTING, THE COST OF OSE OF US THAT HAVE GO INSURANCE. THAT WI HELP. BUT MKE LEAVITT IS RIGHT. THE NEXTHASE OF HEALTH REFORM H TO BE MOVING FROM SEEKE SERVICE, FOR EXAMPLE, TO OTH KINDS O COST CONTAINMENT MEASURES. SECRETARY LEAVITT HAS OKEN EQUENTLABOUT THINGS WE NEED TO DO. THIS IS A FIRSTTEP, AN IORTANT FIRST STEP. BELIEVE THEOVERAGE FIRST IS THE WAY TO GO

>> Woodruff:ICHAEL LEAVITT, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT SOME FORM OF GOVERNMENT-SPONSORED PUBLIC HEALTH INSURANCE OPTION IS GOING TO SURVIVE HER

>> IN THE LNG RUN I DO NO I THINK THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE D'T WANT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT T BE INVOLVED MORE IN THEIR LIVES PARTICULARLY THEIR HEALTH LES. MAY I SUGGEST IHINK DONNA SHALALA IS CORRECT IN THAT THIS DEBATE STARTED OUT ABOUT 50 MLLION POPLE WHO DIDN'T HAVE INSANCE. IT'S NOW BECOME ABOUT THE 250 MILLION WHO DO. AND THEHINGS THAT WILL OCCUR TO THEIR INSURAN WHEN WE ESSENTIALLY PUT THE EIRE SYSTEUNDER THE GUIDANCE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND INCREASE THE COST TO EVERNE. THE DEBATE HASHIFTEDAWAY FROM JU HOW DO WE CARE FOR THOSE WHO DON HAVE INSURANCE TO THE IMPACT THAT THIS LAW COULDAVE ON THOSE WHO DO.

>> Woodruff: DONNA SHALALA,O YOU AGREE WITH THAT?

>> I DON' 250 MILLION PPLE WITH INSURANCE ARE NOWETTING DEEP GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES BECAUSE THEIR INRANCE IS EXEM FROM TES. ALL WEE SAYING HERE IS TOSE THAT DON'T HAVE INSUNCE OUGHT TO HAVE A WAY TO GETT. 80% OF THEM GET UP ERY DAY AND GO TO WK. WE'REALKING ABOUT THEM AND THEI FAMILIES. THEY TEND TO BE LOW-COME WORKERS. THEY NEED SUBDIES. THE NEED IT IN ANOTHER WAY TN USING THE T SYSTEM THEY NEED DICTUBSIDIES TO BE AB TO PURCHASE INSURCE. BELIEVE THAT EVERY AMERICAN OUGHT TO HAVEINSURANCE. MIKE AND I BOTH AGREE ON THAT. WE ALSO BELIEVE TT WE OUGHT TO HE MORE COSTONTAINMENT. THIS IS TERRIFIC FRST STEP. I BELIEVE WE'RE GOING T TAKE THAT FIRST STEP AND THAT A LOT OF THE DEBE IS VERY MH ABO COVERAGE. WE GHT TO REASSURE PEOPLEF THEY HAVE GOOD INSURAE THEYE GOING TO BE ABLE TO KEEP IT. T RIGHT NOWHEY'RE PAYING FOR L THOSE PEOPLE THAT DON'TAVE INSURANCE. WE OUGHT TO FI A WAY TO HELP THOSE WHOON'T HAVE INSURAE.

>> Woodff: MICHAEL LEITT, WHY ISN'T THAT THE WAY TO LOOK AT TS?

>> SECRETARY SHALALA HAS INDITED THE THINGS ON WHICH WE AGREE. THERE ARE MANY. WDO NEED TO HAVE AFFORDABLE INSURANCE EMIUMS FOR EVERYONE. THE PA WHERE WE DISAGREE IS THAT WE SHOULDO ABOU IT BY CNGING THE ENTIRE SYSTEM IN A WAY THAT WOULD PUT RADALLY MORE UNDER THE INSURANCE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND INCREASE THE AVEGE COST OF A FAMILY OF FOUR BY100 DOLLARS. AT'S WHAT THE SENATE BILL WOULDO. D THOSE WHO DO HAVE INSURANCE WOULD BE PAYING DRAMATICAL MORE AND WE'D BE DOING NOTHING TO DEAL WITH THE REALROBLEM, THE URGENT PROBLEM WHICH ISIF ESCALATING COST TO ALL OF US. WE COULD MAKE CERTAIN THAT EVERY ARICAN HAS ACCESS TO AN AFFDABLE INSURANCE POLICY. WE COULD DO IT IN A REASONAY SHT TIME IF WE DEAL WITH THAT PROBLEMND NOTUST CHANGING RACALLY THE ENTIRE SYSTEM. WE NEED T DEAL WITH THOSE WHO CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE INSURANCE, AND I LIEVE WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE T GOVERNMENT INVOLVED IN DOING THAT. THEN WE NEED TOEAL WITH THE THE COST SUES AND MAKE CERTN THAT THE COST IS COMING DO BECAUSE THE HIGHER THE COST THE FEWER PEOPLE THAT CAN AFFORIT.

>> Woodruff: DONNA SHALALA, WHT ABOUT THAT AND WHILE YOU'RE ANSRING, WHY IS THIS SUCH A HARD VOT FORSOME DEMOCRATS?

>> WELL,HERE ARE DEMOCRAT HAT HAVE HONEST DAGREEMENTS WITH THIS BILL. THEY MAY NOT KE THEUBLICS TION. THEY MAY T LIKE THE LVEL OF SUBSIDIES. THE SAME ON THE REPLICAN SID I DON'T AGREE THAT THIS IS GOING TO COST THOSE OFUS WHO HAVE HEALTH INRANCE MORE. WH WILL COST US MORE IS I WE DON'T COVER EVERYBODY IN TH COUNTRY. UNLESS WE ALL PARCIPATE IN THE HEALTH CARE SYEM, THERE'S NO WAY IN WHICH WE'RE NOT GOINTO CONTINUE WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING. EVRY TIME AN AMERICAN WITH HEALTH INSURANCEOES TO THE HOITAL, THEY'RE PAYING FOR HOSE WHO CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY. WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO COVER VERYONE. ONCWE DO THAT, WE'LL ABLE TO KE, I TNK, FAIRLY DRAMAC STEPS TO GET SOME COSTCONTAINMENTS. THIS BI DOES SOME OF THAT ALREADY. ALREADY MOVED IN AN AREA THAT MIKE LEAVITT H BEEN ERY ELOQUENT ON. AND THA THE I.T.SYSTEMS. WEEED TO KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE SO WE CAN ANALYZE ERE WE CAN CONTAIN COSTS. THO OF US WHO ARE EMPLOYERS NEED TO DO THAT EVERY DAY. BUTFRANKLY I CAN'T AFFORD THE INSURANCE THAT M EMPLOYEES WANBECAUSE IN THAT INSURAE IS THEOST OF THE UNINSURED. AND SO UNLESSVERYONE HAS INSURANCE, EVERYBDY STEPS UP AND IS WILL TO GO PAY SOMETHING FOR INSURANCE, WE' NOT GOING TO BEBLE TO GET THE KIND OF CO CTAINMENT E EXPECT.

>> Woodruff: SECRETARYLEIFIT, DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON HER POINT ABOUT COSTS? WELL, THE NUER I WAS QUOTING THE $3100 IS DRAWN ESSENTIALLY FROM THE C.B.O. REPORT THAT ALLOCATES HOW 850 LLION DOLLARS WOULD BE SPENT. THAT MONEYS BEING SPENT IN SOME WAY. IT'S EITHER BEING ALLOCATED THROUGH PREMIUMSR IT'S GOING TO BELLOCATED THROUGH TAXE THIS BILL WULD ESSTIALLY TAKE MONEY AWAY FROM THOSE W ARE YOUNG AND WHO ARE HEALTHY AND GIVE IT TO THO WHO ARE NOT SO YNG AND WHO ARE UNHEALTHY. AND THEN IT'S GOING PUT THE FERAL GOVERNMENT MORE IN CONTROL OF THE WHOLE THINGND RAISE THE COST FOR EVERNE. THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO APPROACH TIS. WE NEEDO....

>> WITH ALL DUE RESPECT.

>> Woodruff: GO AAD AND FINIS SECRETARY LEAVITT AND HEN WE'LL HAVE SRETARY ALALA COMMENT. ABSOLUTELY.

>> GO AHEAD. I MA THE POINT.

>> LOO THE WHOLE ESSENCE OF AN INSURANCE SYST IS THAT THOSE OF USTHAT ARE HEALTHY AND IN MANY WAYSYOUNG PAY NOW THAT LATER ON WE'LL BE AB HAVE THE KIND OF CORAGE WE NE WHEN WE DO GET OER AND SICKER. IT'S ABSOLUTELY UE THAT YOUNPEOPLE WILL PAY FOR INSURANCE TH THEY MAY NOT USE. THAT'S TRUE IN EVERY EMPLOYER HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN. IT'S TRUE AT THENIVERSITY OF MIAMI I WHICH OUR YOUNGER WKERS BARELY USE TH INSURANCE THATHEY'RE PAYING FOR. THAT'S A FUNDAMENTAL PHILOSOPHYF INSURANCE BUT IT'S AO AN AMERICA PHILOSOPHY THOSE OF US TH ARE YOUNG AND MORE ABLE PAY MORE SO THAT OTHE WHO CAN'T PAY HAV EQUAL OPPOUNITY. HEALTHCARE OUGHT NOT TO DEPEND ON HOW OLD YOU AR OR WHRE YOU GROW UP OR WH YOUR INCOME IS. IT OUGHTTO BE AVAILABLE IN THE PRIVA SECTOR. AGREE WITHSECRETARY LEAVITT THAT POINT. THE PRIVATE SECTOR FOR EVERY MEMBER OF R SOCIETY.

>> AND JUDY, WOULD SIMPLY MAKE THEPOINT. WE E IN AGREEMENTON THE ESSEN OF INSURANCE AND HOW SK IS SPREAD. BUT WHEN YOU TRN IT OVER TO CONTROL OF THEEDERAL GOVERNMEN, TS BILL DEMONSTRATEIT JUST BECOMES SUBSTANTIALLY MO EXPENSIVE. WE'RE TALKG ABOUT SPENDING NEAR A TRILLION DOLLARS ADDITIAL DOLLARS, TO COVER A RELATIVELY ALL GROUP OF PEOE. WE CAN DO THIS AND DO ITUCH LESS EXPENSIVELY AND CAN DO IT IN A WAY THAT WILL DVE THE QUALITY UP AN THE COST DOWN IF WE WERE TO FOCUSN QUALITY AND GIVING PEOPLE INFORMATION AND MING CERTAIN THAT EVERYONE IS COVED. THEECRETARY AND I AGREE ON MANY POIN OF THIS. HE BASIC ISSUES ON WHICH WE DISAGR IS THE DEGREE TO WHICH GOVERNMENTEEDS TO BE VOLVEDND HOW MUCWE CAN AFFORD.

>> Woodruff: SEETARY LEAVITT, I GOING TO END WITH A LITICAL QUESTION. THAT IS TO BOTH OF YOU, AND TO YOU IT IS,HAT DO YOUTHINK IT WILL TAKE TO G SOME MODERA REPUBLICANS OR ANY REPUBLICAN FOR THAT MATR ON BOARD? WITH THISEGISLATION?

>> I BELIEVE BIPARTISA LEGISLATION IS BOTH POSSIBLE AND PREFERRED B IT WILL QUIRE THATWE HAVE AN HONES DEBATE WHE REPUBCAN IDEAS ARE OUGHT TO THE TABLE AND A BIG NATIONAL DEBATEHAT INCLUD NY IDEAS. IT'S NOT UNREASOBLE TO EXPECT THAT THE PTY THAT HAS TAKENVER CONGRESS WLL ARGE THE HILL WITHLL OF E IDEAS THAT THEY HAVE WANTEDO EMPLOY OV THE COURSE OFHE LAST MANY YEARS. WHAT IS, I THINK,NREASONABLE IS TO THINK THAT WE WOD ENA THEM WITHOUT A BIG AND HONT DEBATE.

>> Woruff: AND POLITICAL QUESTION TO YOU SECRARY SHALALA, WHAT A THE ODDS THAT THAT WOD HAPPEN?

>> WE, WE'VE BEE... THE DEMOCRATIC RTY HAS BEEN HAVING A CONVERSATION TH THE REPUBLIN LEADERSHIP IN THE COMMITTEES FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS. WITH ALL DUE RESPEC TO MY VERY DSTINGUISHED COLLEAE WHO AGREE WITH ON MOS THINGS RELATED TO HEAL CARE, SENATOR GRASSLEY AND SETOR UCUS AND THEIR COEAGUES HA BEEN TALKING FORONTHS TRYINGO GET AGREEMENT A BIPARTISAN MANNER. UNFORTUNATELY THEYAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT. I HOPE THE WAY SECRETARY LEAVITT DOES THAT THIS CONVERSATIO WILL CONTINUE. HERE'S NO QUESTION IN MMIND THAT THEEPUBLICANLYERSHIP WILL BE HARD, THAT INDIVIDUAL SENATORS WILL BE HEARD, AS THIS DEBATE CMES TO FRUITION. AND THAT'SGOOD FOR OUR COUNTRY. I LIKE THE WAY PRESIDENT AMA HAS KUKTEDED THIS PRESS. I LI THEACT THAT IT'S BEEN EN ANDRANSPARENT A ERE'S GOING TO BEUBLIC DEBATE ON THESE ISSUES. THEY'RE TOO IMPORTANT DO THEM BEHIND CLED DOORS.

>> Woodruff: WE APPCIATE THE CONVERSATION WITH BOTH OF YOU. CRETARY DONNA SHALALA, SECRETARY MICHAEL LEITT. WE APPRECIATE IT.

>> Lehr: OUR TCHWORK

>> Leer: PATCHWORK NATION THI EEK LOOKS AT WHY AMERICANS AREN'T MORE ENGED IN THE HEALTH CARE DEBATE THAT'S OOUR WEB SITE, newshou.pbs.org.

>> Woodruff: NEXT, R INDIA STORY, AS PME MINISTER MANMOHAN SINGH ARRIVES TAN ELABORATE WELCO. HIS NATION'S ECONOMY REMAI ROBUST DESPITE THELOBAL RECESSN AND TERRORIST ATTACKS. SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT FRED SAM LAZA REPORTS.

>> Reporter: THE TAJ HEL IS ALMOST FULLY BACK IN BUSINESS A YAR AFTER THE DADLY SIEGE THAT KILLED MORE THAN 0 INCLUDG 22 FOREIGNERS. HERE AND IN OTR LOCATION ACROSS MUMBA THEOTEL IS FULL MOST DAYS EVEN AS WORKERS COMPLE THE RESTATION. IT HAS BEE A SYMBOL OF INDIAN BUSINS AMBITIONS DATINGACK TO BRITIS COLONIAL DAYS. THIS HOTEL WAS ILT IN THE EARLY 1900s TO AOMMODATE INDI BUSINESSMEN WHO WERE FTEN EXCLUDED FROM BRITISH-RUN ESTABLISHMENTS DURING THE COLONIAL DAYS. TODAY THE TAJ HOTEL IS PART OF A LARG GLOBAL CONGLOMERATE THAT NOWWNS THE MOST ICONIC OF BRISH BRAND NAS, JAGUAR, LAND ROVER AND PERHAPS ENGLAND'S PST KNOWNEA COMPANY. IT IS A GLOBAL $70 BLION A YEAR COMPANY BUT IT'SLSO A BAROMETER OF A BOOMINGCONOMY AT HOME. THAT'S DRAWINGECORD AMOUNTS OF FOREIGINVESTMENT. ANOTHER MEASURE MUAI'S STOCK MARKET S UP MORE THAN 80% IN E PAST 12 MONTHS. THE FURNISH ACES OF THE WORLD'S SIXTH LAEST STEEL MAKER AREUMMING AT FUL CAPACITYAYS THE DIVISION'S CEO.

>> ONHE POSITI SIDE IN OUR COUNTRY.

>> Reporter: THATOMMAND COMES UP FROM STEPPED-UP GOVERNMENT SPDING ON ROADS AND BDGES AND ALSO FOR USING AND CARS.

>> OUR PRODUCTION INCREASED FOM LAST YEAR. >>eporter: E ROBUST AUTO MOTIVE DEMAND WN IT ANNOCED ITS PEOPLE CAR EARLY LA YEAR. $2500 NANO, ALL A FAR CRYROM THE DADES AFTER INPENDENCE IN 1947. INDIA HAD A TGHTLY REGULATED SOCIALIST ECONOMY. MKETS WERE OPENEDN THE EARLY '90s T THEACE OF ECONOMIC LIBERALIATION HAS BEEN SLOWED B THE GIVE-A-TAKE OF INDIA'S CHAOTIC DEMOCRY, A SHARP CONTRAST TO CHINA THAT MIGHT WELL HVE BEEN A BLSING INSULATING IND WHEN THE GLOBALECESSION HIT A YEAR AGO SAYS A BOMB BAY BASE REPORTER FOR THE "NEW YRK TIMES"

>> INDIA WAS KNOWN ASHE UNTRY WHERE IT DIDN'T HAVE MUCH OF ANEXPORT INDUSTRY. IT'S A GREATTHING. NOW YOU'RE NOT DEPENDENT ON THE AMERICAN AND EUREAN MAETS. IT DIDN'T HE A VERY WELL DEVELOPED NANCIAL SYSTEM. PEOPLE SAID THAT WAS BAD. THAT W PUTTING A CHECK O INDIAN GRTH. THAT'S PBABLY IN PART VERY TRUE BUT IT ALSO KEPNDIAN BANKS AND FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS AWA FROM A LOT OF THE TOXIC STUFF THA WAS BRENG IN NEW YORK AND LONDON.

>> Repoer: EVEN SECTORS OSELY TIED TO THE U.S. ECONOMY OUTURCED BACOFFICE OPERATIONSND INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, FOEXAMPLE, SLOWED BUT DID T NOSE DIVE. AND GLOBAL COMPANIESAVE FOR SOME YEARS BEEN EANDING THEIR ESENCE HERE. MERS OF CARS, COAL AS AND COMPUTERS ARE ATTRACTED B THE GRONG DOMESTIC MARKET OF AT LEAST 300 MILLION MIDE CLASS CONSUMER NY HIGH SKILLED WORKERS WHO TYPICALLY WENTABROAD ARE NOW STAYING ME. SOME ARE EVEN RETURNING. COMMUTER ENGEERAME BACK FRO TEXAS WHERE THEY HAD WORK FOR SEVERAL YEARS. BOTH NOW WORKOR I.B.M. IN DEHLI.

>> YOU HE YOUR FALY, YOUR RELATIVES ANDVERYTHING ELSE IN THE COUNTRY. U WANT TO SETTLE DOWN HERE. U HAVE TH JOB PROSPECTS TOO.

>> Reporter: YOU BASICALLY FOLLOWEDHE GLOBAL ECONOMY TO WHERE WAS GLOWING.

>> YES, I THINK.

>> Reporter: THEY SHARE A NEW HIGH RISE APARTMENT THER THER IN INDIA'S JOINT FMILY TRADITION. THEY HAVE AOUR-YEAR-OLD SON WHO UPBRINGING THEYAY IS MUCHORE PRIVILEGED THAN THEIR OWN.

>> I REMEMBER ASKING FOR A TOY. IT USED TO BE LIMITED. NOW IT'SLIKE EVERY WEEKEND HE GETS A TOY. THQUALITY OF HEALTH THAT HE HAS, THE QLITY OF LIFE HE HAS IS ALL SECURE FOR H BECSE WE CAN SAVE MONEY FOR HIMIN THE FUTUREFOR HIS UCATION, FOR HI MARRIAGE OR FOR HIHEALTH. >>F YOU GOACK 25,0 YEARS, THERE WAS NO TV, IN FACT NOW A BIG TV.

>> I THINK EVERYTHING THAT I ITHERE IN THE DEVELED COUNTES IS NOW IN INDIA. I KNOW FOR SURE. WE CAN AFFD TO BUYHEM.

>> porter: MIDDLE CLASS INDIANS HAVE A SONG 30% PERSONALSAVINGS RATE AND CONSUMER APPETES SO EVEN THOUGHECONOMIC ACTIVITY SLOWED, IT'S NOWHERE NEAR THE NEGATI GROWTH IN AMERICA A EUROPE. THIS ECONOMIST TH THE DEHLI- BASED THINKANK.

>> GROWTH HA CERTAIN SLOWED DOWN. WE WERE RUNNIN ALONG AT ABOUT 9%-PL THREE OR FOUR YEARS PRIOR TO THE CRISISERE. BUAST YEAR IN 208-09, IT CAME DOWN TO 6.7%, AND THI YEAR 209 IT'S EXPECTED TO BE ABOUT 6%. AS YOU WILL KW A LOT O COTRIES HAVEN'T BEEN SO LUCKY. >>Reporter: WHERE INDIA IS NOT LUCKY IS AT MUCH OF THE GROH HAS BEEN IN CROWDED URBAN ARE WHH HAVE INCREASINGLY EXPANDEDNTO SURRNDING AGRILTURAL LAND. RAISING TENSIONS AMONG RURAL RESIDENTSHO FEAR DISPLACEMENT.

>> LAND HAS BECOME MUCH MORE VALUABLE WITH DEVELMENT IN AREAS WHERE LAND WAS NOT VALUABLEOR NOT THAT VALUAB. IN AREAS WHERELAND USE WAS MUCH MORE SORT OF COMON GHTS OF USE AND SO FRTH.6 TH PRICE OF LAND AND THE PRESSURE TO HAVE LAND CONFLICT.

>> Reporter: IN FACT A LAN DISPU FORCED THIS COMPANY TO MOVE FROM A BRAND N CTORY FOR ITS NANO DELAYING THE CAR'S LAUNCH SEVERAL MTHS. MANY ANALYSTS BME THE TENSIS ON INDIA'S LOPSID DEVELOPMT. THEY SAY IT'SCOME AT THE EXPENSE OF SIC AMENITIES LIKE CLEAN WTER AND SCHOOLS IN RUR AREAS. HERE OPLE ARE INCREASINY UNABLE TO SURVE OFF ALL- SCA FARMING D MOST LACK TH SKILLS FOR INDUSTRYR THE NEW ECONOMY. THE "NEW YORK TIMES" REPOER.

>> THAT TRANSITION FROM FARM TOARKET, FARM TO IUSTRY, IS STILL SORT OF VERY SLOW IN INDEPENDENT I C'T. O, YOU KNOW, 9% GROWTH I GREAT BU I'S NOT GOINTO BE THAT GREAT IF ONLY A SMALL FRACTION OFHE POPULION IS ENJOYING IT.

>> PRIME MISTER SINGH WON A DECISIVE ELECTION VICTOR EARLIER THIS YEA HE'S CALLED EDUCATION REFORM AND RURAL DEVOPMENT TOP PRIORITIES, TAKI ON INDI'S ENDURING PARAXICAL CHALLENGE. THI COUNTRY HAS A MIDDLE CLASS AS LAGE AS THE ENTIRE U.S. PULATION YET MO TH TW-AND-A-HALF TIMES THAT NUMBER, ABOUT 800 MILLION PEOPLE,RY TOSU LESS THAN$2 A DAY.

>> Lehrer: FINALLY TONIT, A WON WHO USED HER CAMERA DOCUMENT THSTRUGGLES OF A NAON. EFFREY BROWN HAS THAT STOR.

>> Brown: AS WE LE THROUGH WHAT'S EEN CALLED THE GAT RECESSION,IT IS OF COURSE THE GRE DEPRESSION OF THE 1930s THAT WE LOOK TO, COMPARE TH, AND FARREPEATING. SOME OF OUR UNDERSTANDI OF THAT PERIOD OUR PUBLIC MEMORY OF WHAT LI WAS LIKE COMES THROUGH POTOGRAPHS OF THE JOBLESS, THE DLY STRUGGLES OF THE DOWNTRODD. SOME LIKE MIGRANT MOER HAVE BECOME ICONIC IMAGES PART OF R SHARED HISTORY. AND THE OTHERPHOTOS WE'VE JUST SHWN WERE TAKEN BY A WOMAN WHOS HERSELF THE SUBJECT OF NEW BIOGRHY TITLED "DOROTHEA LANGE, A LIFE QLOND LIMITS." IT'S ITS AUTHOR IS LYNDON GORDON PFESSOR OF HISORYT NEW YORK UNIVEITY. WELCOMTO YOU.

>> THANK YOU. > Brown: WAS IT THE PEON THAT MADE YOU WANTTO TACKLE THS.

>> WE WENT TROUGH SO MANY IMPOANT THINGS IN AMERICAN HISTORY GOING SCHOOL ON THE LOWER SIDWITH IMMIGRANTS TO TH DEPRESSION THROUGH WORLD WAR II THUGH THE COL WAR. YOU KNOW, IN THE PROCESS, FEEL LIKE LANGTOOK OVER. SHE IS A VERY, VERY STRONG PERSONALITY. SHE SORTOF STEPPED INTOHE DRIVER'S SEAT. Brown: SHE WAS IN SOME WAYS AN UNLILY CHARACTER TO COME WHAT WE THINK OF TH CHRONICLER. SHE HERSELF WA VERY WELL OFF.

>> SHE CERTAINLYAME FROM THE TYPICALLY MIDDLELASS FAMILY ALTHOUGH HER PENTS GOT DIVORCED. THAT WAS THE EXPERIECE WHICH REDED THEIR CLASS STUS. THEN IN SAN FRANCISC, SHE HAD A PORTRAIT STUDIO THAT CATERED TO THEVERY WEALTHY. > Brown: SHE BECAME A ORTRAIT PHOTOGRAPHER FOR WL TO DO PEOPLE INAN FRANCISCO. THEN WENTO WORK FOR E FARM SECURITY AINISTRATION. REMIND PEOPLE. WHAT WAS THE MISSION? THIS WAS FEDERAL AGEY. WHAT WAS THE MSION? HOW DID SHE SEE R MISSION?

>> SHE WAS BUGHT INTO A PROJECT THEURPOSE OF WHICH WAS TOO... WAS TO CREATE PICTURES OF WHAT E DEPRESSION WAS DOING TOARM OPLE, FARM WORKERS. A MOST UNLIKELY CANDIDATE. SHE WAS ALWA A CITY GI, NEVER LIVED ON A FARM. BUT SHE IDENTIFIED WH THAT MISSIONOTALLY. SH IDENTIFIED VERY STRONGLY TH FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT. SO IMPORTANT SHE AND FRANKLIN ROOSEVELTERE BOTH POLIO VICTIMS WHI CERTAIN INCREASED HER TENSITY. IT'S IMPORTT TO KNOW THAT THIS WAS AN E OF A GREAT DEAL OF FEDERAL SUPPO FOR THE ARTS AND PRODUCED A PHENOMEN OF THE PUBLIC ART THA WE STILLPPRECIATE TODAY.

>> Brown: AS A PORTRA PHOTOGRAPHER HOW D SHE TAKE THAT, TRANSLATE THAT WORK INTO THE WORK S DID.

>> I TNK THAT IS REALLY THE NUB OF THE GENIUS ABO HER. WHESHE WAS FIRST BROUGHT ON TO THE PROGRAM A LOT OF THE EMPHASIS WAS TAKE PICTUR OF SOIL EROSION. TAKE PICTURE OF ABANNED ARNS FROM THE DUST BOWL. SHE DEVELOPED TS UNDERSTANDING THATOU WOULD VE MUCH MORE GRIPPING POWER IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS IF THEY ATURED PEOPLE.

>> Brown: HUM DRAM.

>> ACTLY. YOU HAD PUT THOSE PEOPLE IN THEIR CTEXT. SHE TOOK HER TRADITIONAL RTRAIT PHOTOGRAPHY WAS ALWAYS AGAIN A BLANK BACKGROUNDND WORKED OUT WAYS TOHOW THESE ABANDONED FLDS BUT TO SHOW THE PEOPLE IN TH ANWHAT IT MEANT TOHEM. >Brown: HOW DID SHE APPROACH THE I MEAN WH WAS THAT RETIONSHIP LIKE?

>> SHE WOED PRETT SLOWLY. LIKE A PORTRA PHOTOGRAPHER SHE KNEW THA PEOPLE STIEN P IN FRONT OF A CAMER SHE HAD TO GET TH TO RELAX. SHE DID THAT A LOT BY CONVERSIN SHEAD AN ASSISTANT O WAS OFTEN HER HUSBAND WHO WEN WITH HER AND CONVERSED WIT PEOPLE. BUTHE ALSO I THINK STTEGICALLY UED HER DISABILITY. SHE MOVED SLOWLY. SHE SO... SHE NEVER USED A 35 MILMETRE CAMERA. SHE USED LARGE VIEW CAMERAS AND TRIPOD. HEAVY EQUIPMENT. SHE WOULD TAKE HER TIME SETTING IT UP. MOVE IT FROM PLACE TO PLACE. SHE WANTED PEOPL TO JUST GET TIRED OF POSING AND TO RELAX BECSE THAT IS WHENHE COULD PTURE WHAT SHE WOULD CALL TIR NATURALODY LANGUAGE ICH IS WHAT SHE NEEDED.

>> Brown: SHE MADEURE TO INLUDE BLACK WORKERS, MEXICAN FARM WORKERS OPLE WHO I ASSUME AT THE TIME WE OFTEN NOT PART OF THE STORY

>> ABSOLUTELY NOT. UNFORTUNATELY THE AGENCY IN THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE DIDN'T DISTRUTE MANY OF THOSEICTURES. THEY DISTRITED ALMOST ALL WTE PICTURES BECAUSE THAT WAS A UNIQUESPECT OF THE WORK. I TNK THE FACT THAT SHE LIVED IN CIFORNIA HAD A LOT DO WITH IT BECAUSE I THINK A LOT O AMERICANS STI SAW RACE IN TERM OF WHITEND BLACK AT THAT TIME. BUT IN LIFORNIA THE STORY IS MUCH MORE COMPLICED. U HAVE MEXICAN-AMERICANS, FILIPINO AMERICANS, JAPANESE AND CHI...ESE AMERICANS ALL TENSELY INVOLVED IN THE ECONOMY.

>> Brown: THAT MOAMOUS PHOTOGRAPH THAT I MENONED IN THE INTROCTION, CAME TO BE CALLED MIGRAN MOTHER. WHAT MAKES IT LIVE TO THIS DAY? I MEAN, WHATO YOU THI NEEDED TO BECOME THE EMBLEM FOR THAT TIME?

>> I THINK ACTUALLY SOMEING THAT IS VERY TYPICAL OF LANG ALTHOUGH N MAYBE ALL OF HER PHTOGRAPHS REACHED THAT LEVEL OF INTEN ITY. BUT THE WMAN,LORENCE THOMPSONIS HER NAME IS EXTRAORNARILY BEAUTIFUL. SHE HAS A VERLINEDFACE. T SHE HAS BEAUTY. LANG NOT ONLY RECOGNIZ THAT BUT PRODUC IT. MADE IT HAEN. AND ALSO SHDID SOMETHING THAT THINK IS A GREAT STRENGH. SOMEEOPLE GHT CPLAIN ABOUT IT. SHE DELIBERELY AFTER TAKING...HE ALWAYS TO MANY PHOGRAPHS OF PEOPLE. AT ONE POINT SHE ASKED THE TWO YOUNG CHILDREN WHO WERE LEANING AGAINST THEIR MHER TO TURN THEIR HEADS AWAY.

>> Brown: THIS IS VERY INTERESTING TO LEARN. IN A SENSE IT'S SED IN A SENSE.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> Brown: DO YOU SEE THAT AS A STRENGTH? THAT'S THE WAY E WORKED.

>> SHE BELIEVED THA... SHE NEVER THOHT THAT PHOTOGRAPHY IS SIMPLYN IMAGEOF WHAT WAS THERE. SHE THGHT THAT SHE COULD ROBE MORE DEEPL BY THE WAY SHE CPOSED PICTURES. SHE KNEW, ARTIST THAT SHE WAS, THAT SHE DIDN WANT OTHER FAC TO COMPETE WITH TAY OUR ATTENTION IS JU RIVETED TO THAT ONE FAC IT WAS COMPETITI WITH STRAGY.

>> Brn: ONE OF THE THINGS YOU QUOTEER AS SAYING IS A CAMERA IS A TOOLOR LEARNIN HOW TO E WITHOUT A CAMERA.

>> RIGHT. HER DESCDENTS, HER PROGES, SHE TAUGHTEOPLE HOW TO SEE. SHE KNEW TT HER INSTRUMENT WAS NOT THE CAMERA. HER ITRUMENT WAS HER EYE.

>> Bwn: YOU CALL HER A PHOTOGRAPHERF DEMOCRACY AND R DEMOCRACY. MAYBE THAT'S A WAY OF SUMMING UP. WHAT DOES THATEAN?

>> AT ONE POIN I WANTED TO CALL THE BOOK "VISUAL DECRACY" BECAUSE I THINK SHE WAS A VISU INTELLECTUAL AND A SUAL POLITICAL PERSONHO HAD GIV A GREAT DEAL OF THOUGHT TO W YOU CAN PROMOTE DEMOCCY VISUALLY. AND THINK SHE WANTED BRING THE PEOPLE WHO HAD BEEN LARGELY EXCLUDED OR AT THE RGINS OF THE AMERICAN SOCIETY,HE WANTED TO RECREATE OUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHATT MEANS TO BE AN AMERICAN.

>> Brow THE BOOK IS ROTHEA LAN, A LIFE BEYONDIMITS. LIND ON... LINDA GOU AND, THANK YOU VY MUCH.

>> THANKYOU FOR HAVING ME.

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