The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer : WETA : August 7, 2009 7:00pm-8:00pm EDT; The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer

Captioninsponsored by cNEIL/LEHRER PRODUCTIONS Woodruff: GOOD EVENING, I'M JUDY WOODRUFF. ON THE NEWSHOURHIS FRIDAY, THE EAD STORY IS, THE GOOD NEWS THE UNEMPLMENT FRONT AS JOB LOSSES EASE. THEWE HAVE THE OTHER NEWS OF THE DAY, INCLUDINAN INTERVIEW WITHHE PAKISTANI AMBASSADOR ABOUT THE U.S. MISSE STRIKE THAT KILLED A KEY TALIBAN LEADER. MEMBERS OF CONGRESS T AN EARFUL FROM NSTITUENTS ABOUT ALTH CARE REFORM. AND THE ANALYSIS OMARK SHIELDS AND VID BROOKS. MAJ FUNDING FOR THE NEWSHR WITH JIM LEHREIS PROVIDED BY:

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>> Woodrf: THE U.S. ECONOMY SERVED UP A SURPRISE TODAY NEW DATA OM JULY SHOWED UNEMPLOYMENT ACTUALLYELL, AND THE NUER OF JOBS LOST WAS SMALLER THAN EXPECTED. JEFFREY BROWN H OUR LEAD STORY REPORT.

>> Reporter: IT WAS THE 19 MONTH IN ROW OF JOB LOSSES, AS BUSINESSES CUT ANOTHE247,000 EMPLOYEE UT THAT WAS ABOUT 80,000 FEW THAN EXPECTED. IT WAS ALSO DOWN SHARY FROM JUNE, AND WAS, BY FAR, TH SMALLEST MONTHLYOTAL THIS YEAR.

>> 247,000 JOBS, THAT'S LOT OF JOBS. THAT'S BIG LOSS. BUT GIVEN THEONTEXT OF THE SORT OF JOB LOSS THAT WEE BEEN HAVING, AIN, THIS IS A GOOD TREND AT THE MOMENT.

>> ReporterKEITH HALL, COMSSIONER OF THE BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS, APPEAREAT A INT CONGRESSIONAL HEARING TS MORNING. HE SAID: THE BULK OF LAYOFFS IMOST INDUSTRIES, CH AS THE AUTO SEOR, HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED. AND EMPLOYE WORKED MORE HOURS LAST MONTH, AFTER SINKING A RECORD LOW IN NE. THE OVERALL UNPLOYMENT RATE WAS DOWN SLIGHTLY, T9.4%, AS THOUSANDOF PEOPLE STOPPED LOOKING FOR WORK.vÑ BUT WHITE HOUSE OFFICIA SAID THEY STILEXPECT IT TO TOP 10% THIS YEAR.

>> I ULD SAY THAT WE'RE NOT IN RECOVERY YET, BUT TH IS THE PATH THAWE HAVE TO GO TO GET TO RECOVERY. WE EXPECT TO SEE MODETION FIRST, BEFORWE ACTUALLY START GETTING IMPROVEMENT IN THE LOR MARKET.

>> THEY FACE AOTENTIAL LOSS OFUNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS BUT SENTE MAJORITY LEADER HARRY REID PROMISED TION. SOON AFTER CONGRESS RETURNS TO WASHINGTON, WE' NEED TO ADDRESS IS MATTER. UNEMPLMENT BENEFITS ARE A SOUND INVESTMENT. THERE SHOULBE NO DISAGREEMENT THAT WE SHOULD HELP THOSWHO ARE SUFFERINAS A RESULT OF AN ECONOMIC CRISIS THEY DIDN'T CREATE

>> Reporter:ONGRESS HAS ALRDY EXTENDED UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS THREE TIMES DURINGHIS RECESSION. FOR A CLOSER LOOK TODAY'S NUMBERS,E TURN TO: DIANE ONK, CHIEF ECONOMIST AT MESIW FINANCIAL, A DIVERSIFIED FINANCIAL SERVICESIRM IN CHICAGO; AND JIM ELLIS, ASSISTANT MANAGING EDIR AT "BUSINESS WE" MAGAZINE. DIANE SWO, COMPANIES ARE STILL SHEDDING JOBS BUT NOT A QUICKLY. SO, RELATIVELY SPEAKIN BETTER THAN EXPTED, RIGHT?

>> CERTAINLY BETTETHAN EXPECTED. WE ALSO SAW AN INCRSE IN THE HOURS WORKED WHICH IS ONE OF THOSEBIG PRECURSORS TO HIRING. FIRMS A MUCH MORE LIKELY TO TE THE EMPLOYEES THEY HAVE AND WO THEM LGER HOU BEFORE THEY TUALLY MAK THAT COMMITNT TO ACTUALLY HING WORKERS. E OTHER GOOD NEWS IN T DATA WAS ANNCREASE IN WAGES. THAT W REALLY REFLECVE IN PART ON THE HIGHER MEN MUM WAGE AND A BOUNCEBACK FROM SOME OFHE WEAKEST WAGE NUMBS WE'VE SEEN IN THE POST WORLD WAR 2 PERIOD.

>> SOJIM ELLIS WHEN YOU OK AT PARTICULAR INDTRIES OR SECTORS, WHERE WERE THE LOSSES TH TIME? DOES ANYTHING JUMPUT TO YOU ASOOKING BETTER THIS TIME AROUND? THERE'S NOTNG THAT REALLY LOOKS RADICALLY BETT. I MEAN WE ARE HAPPY TO SEE THAT INTHE AREASHAT HAVE CONTINUED TO GO DOWN AND HAVE BEEN GOING DOWN FOR QUITE SOME TIME LICK MANUFACTURING, EY, THE NUMBERS WERE NOT ANY WORSE. IN OTHER WORDS, THIS IS LESS BAD. AND THAT'S A GO THING. THERE WASAN UNUSUAL NUMBER IN THE SENSE THATUTO SHOWED AN UPTICK, MOTOR VEHICLE, MANUFACTURIN BUA LOT OF THAT HADO DO WITH THE FACT THAT BH GENER MOTORS AND CHRYSLER HAVE PRETTYWELL CUT BACK A LOT OF ACTIVI BECAUSE OF THE BANKRUPTCIES. AND SO TH NUMBER WAS SORT OF AN ANOMALY. IOTHER WORDS, WE'RE NOT SEEING A LOT IN THE SECTORS THAT SRPRISE US. WHAT WE'RE SEEING THAT REALLY SURPRISES US MORE IS THE FCT THAT MAYBE THE MAKEUP OF E LABORORCE AS FAR A THE DISCOURAGED WORKERS ARE CONCERNEDIS LARGER THAN WEXPECTED.

>> DIANE SWONK DID YOUEE ANYTHINGHAT JUMPED OUT AT YOU IN RMS IT OF PARTICAR INDUSTRYS OR SECTORS?

>> WELL,HE TWO SECTORS THAT HAVE BEEN THE STARS SO FARAND SORT OF CONTINUE TO SHOPRETTY MUCH GAINS THROUGHOUT T 19 MONTH OF THE RECESON WERE DICAL, HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATIO AND THOSE TWO SECTORS CONTINUE TO SHOW GAI. M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. A I THINK IT UNDERSCORES SOME OF TH CONCERNS WE ALL HAVE OUT THE HEADWIND WES SLL FACE IN THE.S. ECOMY. REAL ESTATE REVENUES HAVE BEEN CUT DRAMATICALLY. PINK SLIPS HAVE BEN HANDED OUT. AND THSE LAYOFFSOR TEACHERS WON'T SHOW UP UNTIL WE GET BACK TO SCHO IN LE AUGUST AND EARLY SEPTEMBER. WE'VE ALSO GOT LOT OF PEOPLE LSING HEALTH-CARE VERAGE. ANDWHEN THEY LOSE HEALTH-CARECOVERAGE IT IS PUTTING A L OF BURDE ON THE COSTS OFMERGENCY ROOM VISITS ON HOSPITALSMENT AND WE KNOW HOSPITALS E BEGINNING TO LOFF A LOT OF ADMISTRATIVE PERSONNEL. THEY HAVE TO ABSORB THOSE EXTRA COST. ERY PERCENT INCREASE IN THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS ANOTHER MILLION PEOPL WITHOUT INSURANCE AS WELL THAT'S NOTHING TO SAY OF WHAT PELE DO IN TMS OF CUTTI BACK ON THEIR INSURANCE COVEGE WHEN THR OVERTIMEHOURS DIDISAPPEAR.

>> SO JIM ELLIS, THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE ACTLLY FELL BUT THAT IN ITSELF IS A BIT OF A MXED MEAGE AT LEAST THIS TIMEAROUND, RIGHT? EXLAIN THE -- DISCOURAGED WOER FACTOR.

>> ONE REASON THAT PROBABLY THE RATEELL EVEN THOUGH THE NUMBER OF JOBS THAT THE ECONOMY HAS DROPPED IS BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT WORNG ARE NOW NOT CLSSIFIED AS UNEMPLOYMEN OFFICIALLY UNEMPLOYED. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL PEOPLE WHO ARE MARGINALLY ATTACHED TO THE WORKFCE. IN OER WORDS, DCOURAGED WOERS. OPLE WHO WOULD LIK TO WORK AND ARE F TO WORK AND HAVE LOOKED FOR WORK IN THE PAST 1 MONTHS BUT NOW HAVE STOPPED LOOKING EITHER BECAUSE THEY FEEL THAT THERE NO JOBS OUT THERE FOR THEM ORECAUSE OF SOMETHING IN THE LAST FOUR WEEKS THAT KEPT THEM FROM WITHING OUT AND POUNDING THE PAVEMENT LOOKIN FOR WORK. THO PEOPLE AREN'T CONSIDER UNEMPLOYED TECHNICALLY AND THEY FALL OUT OF THE SYSTEM. HOWEVETHERE IS A LOT OF THEM. THERE IS ABOUT, GHT NOW, ALMOST TWO MILLION WORRS WHO FIT THAT W. AND THAT'S PROBLY ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE RA, THE 9.4% RATE LOOKS BETTER THAN THE PREVIOUS NTH. HOWEVE THOSE PEOPLE ARE STI OUT THERE AND AS SOON AS THE ONOMY STARTS TO PICK BACK UP, THEY'RE GOING FLOOD BACK INTO THE SRT OF B NTING ROLE. AN THAT'S GOING TO PROBAY HELP PUSH UP THE UNEMPYMENT RATE. > BUT IN THE MEAIME DIANE SWONK IN T MEANTIME THEY'RE T THERE AND THEY'REUT THERE FOR LONGER PERIODS O TIME. THINGS DO OPENP?

>> IT'S MORE DFICULT SIMPLY BECSE THE LONGER TH'RE OUT GIVEN THE JOB LOSSES WE'VE SEEN OVER T PAST YEAR, THERE MORE PEOPLE TO MPETE AGAINST FOTHAT SAME SMALL NUMBER JOB COMING BACK.

>> EXACTLY.

>> MEAN RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT I GUESS ABOUT A THIROF RIT AROUND 5ILLION AREHAT THEY WOUL CALL, YOU KNOW, UNEMPLOYED R MORE THAN 27 WEEKS. TH'S A HUGE -- WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PELE WHO HAE BEEN OUT OF WORK FOR MORE THAN SX MONTHS. AND RIGHT NOW THE AVERAGE PERIOOF UNEMPLOYMENT IS RUNNING AT 5 WEEKS. HIS IS UNPRECEDENTED, AT LEAST UNPREDENTED IN THE TIME THAT THEVE BEEN KEEPING THAT DA STREAM. AND SO I THINKTHAT THAT IS THE THING A LOT PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSND AMOUNT OF THAT NOWADAYS UNEMPLOYMENT ISN'T WHAT I MIGHT HAVE BEEN A NERATION AGO WHERE YOU ARE OUT OF WORK F SEVEN, WEEKS AND YOUOT BACK IN. NODAYS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT NY MONTHS O OF WO. AND THAT IS WH PUSHES PEOPLE TO LOSING THEIR HOMES, PUSHES PEOPLE TO BASICALLY SING ALMOST EVERYTHING THEY HAVE.

>> SO DIE ANNE SWONK, YOU COME BACK TO THE RA ITSELF, D CERTAINLY WE'RE STILL HRING A LOT OF CAUTION IT Y GO, STILL MAY GO WELL OVER 10% IS THAT STILL A CONNSUS FIGURE, DO YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK OUT, WAT DO YOU SEE AND WHAT IS THE PREDICTIONS I GUESS IN TMS OF WHEN THINGS MIG TURN AROUND AT THIS POINT?

>> WELL, 'LL SEE POSITIVE GROWTIN THE SECOND HALF OF THE YEAR BUT THIS WHEN WE E A REL BREAK BETWEEN WALL STREET ANMAIN STREET. PROFITS CAN COMEBACK WHERE YOU ARE HOLDING DOWN WAGES AND THE ECONMY STABILIZES. BUT THE LAR FORCE, THE LABOR CONDITION K CONTINUE TO DETERIORATE. AND EVEN AS WEEE JOBS COME BACK, I THI BY DECEMBER OR JANUARY, I DON' THINK THOSE GAINS ARE GOING TO BE ENOUGH TO PU DOWN THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE. IN FACT, SOMETHING WE TALKED OUT EARLIER, ALL THOSE DISCOVERAGED WORKERS COMING BACKNTO THE LOR FORCE, UNEMPLOYMENT COULD EASIL RIGHT WL INTO THE FIRST HALF OF 2010 CLOSING X%, EVEN AS THE LABOR MARKET IMPROVES. AND AS IT'S DOING THAT FOR MAIN STET, WALL STREET WILL GET BETTER PFITS BUT FOR MAIN STREETHAT YOU'LL SEE IS ASEOPLE COME CK INTO THE LABOR FORCE A ARE YOU CREATING MRE JOBS, AGAIN THOSE LINES, THERE IS COETITION FOR EVERY JOB OUT THERE LL CONTINUE TO INTENSIFY.

>> Reporter: JIM ELLISING ICK LAST WORD ON THE SAME UBJECT. LOOKINGHEAD AT THE JBS PICTURE

>> AND THE LASTOUR RECONNECTIONS THERE'S WAYS BEEN A ONE TO SIX MONTH LAG AFTER THE ECONOMY TURNS BEFORE EMPLOYMENTTURNS UP. WE'VE G MONTHS TOO WITH BAD UNELOYMENT.

>> ALL RIGHT, JIM ELLIS AND DIANE SWONK, THANKS BOTH VEY MUCH.

>> THANK Y.

>> FIND OUT HOW HA HIT STATESRE COPING WITH RECORD NUMBERS OF JOBLESS CLAI ON OUR WEB SITEMT NEWSHOUR.PBS.OR

>> Woodruff: IN OTHER NEWSWALL STREET WAS HPY WITH THE EMPLMENT REPORT. THEOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE GAINED WELL OVER 113 POTS TO CLOSE AT 9370. THE NASDAQ ROSE 27 POINTS TO CLOSAT 2000. FOR THE WEEK THE DOWAINED 2%. THE NAAQ ROSE 1%. PRESIDENT OBAMA SIGNED A EXTENSION OF THECASH FOR CLUNKERSPROGRAM TO STIMULATE AUTO SALES. THE SENATE PROVED ANOTHER $2 BILLION LAST NIGHT, AEEK AFTER THE HOE DID SO. THE PROGRAM HAD L BUT RUN THROUGH ITS INITIAL BGET OF $1 BILLIO SECRETARY OF STATE LLARY CLINTON RAIED SOUTH AFRICA TODAY TO HELP STRULING ECONOMI ACROSS THE AFRICAN CONTINENT. IT WAS HER SECOND SP ON A SEVEN NATI TOUR. IN JOHANNESBURG, CLINTON TOL BUSINE LEADERS THEY HAVE A "RESPONSIBILITY D AN OPPORTUNITY" TO CONTBUTE TO AFRICA'S ECONOMIC SUCCS.

>> WE BELVE THAT SOUTH AFCA HAS SO MU MO ECONOMIC POTENTIAL AND I NNOT EXIST AS SLAND OF RELATIVE PROSPERY AMID A SEA OF UNTAPPED OPPORTUNITY ELSEWHERE ON THE COTINENT.

>> Woodruff: EARLIER INHE DAY, CLINTON T PRIVATELY WITH FORMER SOUTH RICAN PRESIDENT NELSOMANDELA, WHO TURNED 91 LAST MONTH. ACROSS IRAQ, A STRING OF TACKS KILLED ATEAST 51 SHIITES. THE WOR WAS IN RASHEEDIYAH, NORTH OF MOSUL. 38 IRIS DIED WHEN A SUICIDE CAR BOMB BROUGHT DOWN SHIITE MOSQUE. 200 ME WERE WOUNDED. AND IN AFGHANISTAN, E U.S. SERVICMEMBER AND THREE BRITISH PARATROORS WERE KILLED IN THE LATEST FIGHTING. THERE WAS NEW AICE FROM WASHINGN TODAY TO SCALE BACK CLOSING SCHOOLS BECAUSE OF T SWINE FLU ALSO KWN AS H1N1. MORE THAN00 SCHOOLS CLOSED IN HALF THE STATES LAST SPRIN BUT FEDERAL OFFICIALSAID TODAY THAT'S NOT EDED, UNLESS LARGE NUMBERS OF STUDENTS GET SICK AN, EDUCATION SECRETARY ARNE DUAN SAID SCHOOLS DO NEED CONTINGENCY PLANS.

>> WE AOLUTELY HOPE THAT NO SCHOOLS WILL HAVE TO CLOSE. B REAL TELECOMMUNICATIONALLY, SOME SCOLS WILL CLOSE THI FALL. AND IF THEY DO, ITS NCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US THAT OUR STUDNTS CONTIN TO LEARN. UCATORS NEED TO START THINKING NOW ABOUT HING TEMRARY HOME SCHOOLING PLA IN PLACE. USING BOTH PHON AND E INTERT. WHETHER IT'S FOR JUST A FEW STUDENTS OR TENTIALLY FOR AN EIRE SCHL.

>> Woodff: OFFICIALS ALSO SAID STUDENTS WHO GET SWINELU SHOULD BE ALLOD BACK, 24 HOURS TER THEIR FEVER IS GONE. THE PREVIOUS COMMENDATION WAS O STAY HOME FOR A WEEK. SENATOR MEL MARTINEZ OF FRIDA HAS ANNOUNCEHE'LL RESIGN THIS MONTH, MORE THAN A YEAR BEFO HIS TERM ENDS. THE ONE-TERM REPUBLIN IS ONE TWO HISPANICS IN THE SENATE HE HAD ALREA SAID HE WOULD NOT SEEK RELECTION NEXT YEAR. IT FALLS TO FLORIA GOVERNOR CHARLIE CRIST TOPPOINT A "PLACE-HOLDER" TO SERVE OUT E REST OF MARTIZ'S TERM. CRIST IS ALREADYUNNING FOR THE SET, BUT HE SAID TODAY HE WOUL NOT APPOINT HIMSF.

>> Woodruff: AND STL TO COME ON THE NEWSHOUR TIGHT: GRASSROOTS AER OVER HEALTH CARE REFORM; A SHIELDS AND BROO. AT FOLLOWS THE DEATH OF A TALIBAN LEADER. HE'S BELIEVED TO HAVE BE KILLED YESTERDAY ISOUTH WAZIRISTANPAKISTAN. BEGIN WITH THIS REPORT NARRATED BY ALEX THOMN OF INDEPENDENT LEVISION NEWS.

>> T CHARISMATIC COMMANDER WHO AS LEADER OF PAKISTAN'S BIEST TALIBANROUPING EATED SUCH INSTABILI IN E COUNTRY THAT THE U. PUT A $5 MILLION BOUNTY ON HIS HEAD. THAT OFFER CAME TON ABRUPT END ON WEDNESDAY AFTE A CIA DRONE'S MISSILE TARGETED A HOME IN THE SOUTH REGION OF PAKTAN. T TALIBANOMMANDER AND AID COIRMED HE HAD BEEN KILED. SUD TOOK OVER THE GRO IN DECEMBER 27 AND SOON BECAME A JOR THORN IN THE DE OF THE PAKISTANI GOVERNME WHICH BLAMED H FOR E ASSAINATION OF THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDE BENAZI BHUTTO. AND FOR ATTACKS ON THE VEY LANKAN CRICKIT --RICKET TM.

>> YOU PUT INTO QUESTION CK STAN'S SERITY, IT WAS CRETING A LOTOF PROBLEMS FOR THE MLITARY, FOR THE POLICE AND AT T SAME TIME THEY ALSOAINTED HIM AS THE BOGEMAN, THE MAN WHO WAS BEHIND EVY SINGLE ATTACK IFAKISTAN EVEN THOH IT WASN'T NEESSARILY PROVED THAT HE WAS.

>> MASOUD SUORTERS ARE ALREA BELIEVED TO BE ETING TO DECIDE ON THE REPLACEMENT RAISING FEARS OF REVENGE ATTACKS. HOWEVER LONG IT TAKE TO REPLACE MASOUD, THE VIOLENCE IN THIS REGION WILL CONTINUE.

>> MARGARET WAER HAS MORE.

>> Warner: AND FOR > Woodruff: MARGARET WARNER S MORE.

>> Warner: FOR MORE ON ALLF THIS WE TURN TPAKISTAN'S AMBASSOR TO WASHINGTON SAIN HAQQANI. ANSTEVE COLL, PRESIDENT OF THE NEW AMERICA FOUNDAON AND WRITER FORHE "NEW YORKER." HE'SHE AUTHOR OF "GHOST WARS: THE SECRET HISTORY OTHE CIA, AFGHANISTAN AND BIN DEN." WELOME TO YOU BOTH Mr. AMBASSADOR. LET ME BEGIN WITHOU. HOW CONFIDENT ARE YOU, IS UR GOVERNMENT AT MASOUD IS DEAD.

>> 100 PERCE ZRPT CAN ONLY ACHIEVED TERNA TESTING AND A L OF PHYSICAL EVIDENCE HAS BEEN PROCESSED. BUT OTHER THAN THATTHERE ARE LOT OF POINTS AS A REST OF THIS,MOST PEOPLE LIEVE THAT HE IS, IEED, DEAD. AND HIS OWN GROUPAS ANNOUNCED THAT.

>> AND IFTHAT'S THE CASE, HOWSIGNIFICANT WOULD THAT BEIN TERMS OF YOUR GOVERNMENT STRUGGLE AGAINST THIS MILITANT MOVEMENT?

>> IF HES INDEED DEAD THEN THAT IS DEFINITELY A MAJOR ADVANCE IN PROVING PAKISTAN'S DETERNATION AND THE DETERMINATN OF THE UNITE STATES TO ELIMATE EXTRESTS AND TER RUSTS OM OUR REGION. COURSE THE DEATH OF ONE INDIVIDU IS STILL JUST THE DEA OF UNINDIVIDUALHERE AR OTHERS WHO ARE PART OF A OADER MOVEMENT AND WE WI HAVE TO CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THAT WELIMINATE THE HARD-LINE IRRECONCILABLE ELEMEN AND THAT WE REACH T TO THOSE THAT WE CAN RECONCILE AT SOME PNT IN TH FUTUREMENT BUTHE FACT REMAINS THAT THE PAKISTANI AUTHORITIES HAVE NOW SHOWN THEIRETERMINATION. WE HAVE FOUGHT EFFECTIVELY THE TEORISTS THERE. ANDF HE IS, INDE, DEAD THEN HIS FOLLOWERSILL CERTAIY FEEL THIS AS A MAJORSETBACK. >>TEVE, TURNING TO YOU, HOW BIG A DEAL IS THIS, DO YOU THINK IT HOW SIGNIFICANT A FIGURE WAS MAOUD AND WHAT MADE HIM SO.

>> HEAS A SIGNIFICANT FIGURE, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT LEADERS OF THE RESISTENCE THE PAKISTI STATE AND TO THE UNITED STES, PARTICULARLY IHIS OME TERRITORY AND AMONG HIS PEOPLE WHAT MADE HIM DISTINCTIVE WAS HE WAS ABLE TO ORGANIZE A PRETTY BROA AND VICIOUS COALITIONAND HE WAS RUTHLESSIMSELF. HE OEREDURDERS WITHOUT REMORSE. HE HAS A LOOF BLOOD ON HIS HANDS BY ALL ACCOUNT NOT JUSTHAT OF BENAZIR UTTO B HUNDREDS OF TRADITION TRIBAL LEADERS AND OTHER WHO IS OUT TO OPPOSE HIM. SO BETWE 2005 AND THE PRESENT WAS ABLE MORE THAN OTHEREADERS IN THAT REGION TO ORGANIZE AN FECTIVE AND VIOLENT MOVEMENT. HE WILL BE REPLACED WHETHER HIS SUESSOR WILL BE AS EFFECTIVE IN THOSE WAYS AS HEAS, WE'LL HAVE TO SE

>> AND EXPLAIN WHAT T PAKISTA TALIBAN IS, WHAT ITS AIMS ARE AN HOW MUCH OF THREAT IT TO THE PAKISTANI STATE.

>> WELL, IT ANNOUNCEDTSELF IN DECEMBER 2007 AND MASOU WAS PARTF THE UNVEING AND IT ESSENTIALLY A CONFEDERAON OF LIKEINDED ISLAMI REVOLUTIONARIESHO SEEK THE OVEHROW OF THE COTITUTIONAL ORDER IN PAKISTAN AND REPLACEME OF AHARIA DESIGNED REGIME OF THR OWN MAKING. AND IT EVOLVED INTO A GUERRILLA MOMENT, A TERRORIST MOVENT, IT HAS POPULAR AND POLICAL ASPECTS, IT HAS VIOLENT NARW TERRORIST ASPECTSAS WELL. AN IT IS ALSO TIED UP WI CRIMINAL RKETS WHICH IS ONE OF THE WAYS IT'S FUNDED ITSELF.

>> SO Mr. AMBASSADOR, WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE PAKISTANI GOVERNMENT WELCOMES THIS DEVELOPNT?

>> WL, LETME JUST SAY THAT UND MUSLIMCUSTOM YOU NEVER WO COME THE DEBT EVEN OF AN ENE. YOU DO NOTCOMMENT ON THE DEATH IN TERMS OF CELEBRATION IN ANY Y. BUT THE FA REMAINS THAT TH ELIMINATION OF ANYONE WHO WASRDERED MURDER OUR COUNTRY,WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR TERRORIST ACTS WHO HAS VIOLATED THE CONSTITUTION AND T LAW OF PAKISTANITH IMPUNTY IS CERTAINLY GOI TO ADVAE THEAUSE OF BRGINGEACE AN STABILITY TO AN OFFICE IN PAKTAN.

>> Warner: AND Y ARE A STUDE OF THE MILITT MOVEMENT ANDHE ISLAMIC MIITANT MOVEMENT. WHAT DO Y THINK ME HIM A LEADER? HE WAS RELATIVE YOUNG MAN.

>> WELL, MASOUD BROUGHT A NEW DIMENSION THE ISLAMISTMILITANT VEMENT. WE MUST UNDERSTD THERE ARE FFERENCES BETWEENICIAN LAMBISTS WHO WA ISLAMIC LAW AND ARE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE POLITIL PROPHECS TO OBIN THEIR MILITANTS, AMONG MILITAN THERE ARE THE RUTHSS MILITANTS CONNECTED WITH AL QAA WITH GLOBAL OBJECTIVES AND TRE ARE MILITANTSHO HA LOCAL OBJECTIVES. MASOUD FELL IN BETWEN. WHAT HE DID WAS HE USED INTERNATIONA RHETORIC A AMERIC RHETORIC, RHETORIC AGAINST PAKISTAN AN ITS NEIGHBORS AND OTHERS PER SEEDBY MUSLIMS AS HAVNG CAUSED GRIEVAES FOR MUSLIMS. AND ATHE SAME TIME HE OPERATED BYALLYING HIS OWN TRIBE. SO HE TRIED A NEW MODEL, CONNECTNS WITH OTHER NETWOR BUT A NETWORKTHAT IS ESSENTIALLY TIED BY HIS OWN TRIBE. AND SO HE WAS VERY EFFTIVE BECAUSE OF BING ABLE TO DRAW ON OTHER NETWORKS WHILE AT THE SA TIME USING S OWN NETWORK FOR GREAT EFFECT.

>> SO STEVE, CONNECT THE DO HERE NOW BEEEN HIM AND THE UNIED STATES. IN WHAT WAY WOULD HEBE CONSIDERED A THREAT TO U.S. INTERESTS. AND ALS HOW CLOSELY TIED WAS TO AL QAEDA.

>> H CLEAR LLABORATED WH ELEMENTS OF AL QAEDA IN THE PERI AFTER THEIR RETREAT FROM AFGHASTAN ACRS THE BORDER AFTER 01.

>> MAY I ST INTERRUPT. WAS HE INVOLVED, FOR INSTANCE, DID THIS GOUP SHELTER AL QAEDA LEADERS. >THEY ARE ACCUSED OF THAT BY THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES THAT WHY HE HAD A $5 MILLION REWARD ON HIS HEAD INDDITION TO THE%cX 6CJ REWARD BY THE PAKISTANI GOVERNMENT IT WAS FO HIS COLLABORATION WI AL QAEDA. HE ALSO CILITATED TACTICS AGAINST AMERICAN SOLDIERS ACROSS-THE-BOARD NEVER AFGHANISTAN AND HE TARGETED WESTERN FACILITIES IN PAKISTAN AND BYEEKING TO DESTABILIZE PAKIST HE WAS JUDGED BY T UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT TO BE WORKING AGAINST AMERICAN INTESTS FOR ALL THSE REASONS HE WAS SEEN AS AN ENEMY OF T UNITED STATES. BUT HIS CLABORATIONS WITH AL QAEDA I THIN THE AMBASSADOR SAID IT WELL, WERE PECUAR TO HIS REON AND TO THE RELATIONSHIP BETWE HIS TRIBE AND UZBEQ AND SOME OTH ARAB ELENTS OF AL QAEDA. WE'RE NOT CLEAR, I' NOT CLEAR ANYWAY ON HOW CLOSE HE WAS TO TH SENIOR LEADERSHIP OF ALQAEDA TO OSAMA BIN LDEN AND OTHERS. HELEARLY COULD LAB WAITED WITH SOME PARTS OF THE ORGANIZION BUT THERE ARE OTHER IAMIST LDERSALONG THT BORDER WHO ALSO HAVE TIES TO AL QAEDA AND WHO ARE ONLY HIS ALLIES, N HIS SUBOINATES.

>> I HAVE TO ASK YOUABOUT PSISTENT REPORTS THAT THUGH YOUR GOVERNMENT HAS PUBLICLY CPLAINED ABOUT THE CIA DNE ATTACKS ON PAKISTANI TERRITORY,HAT, INFACT, YOUR GOVERNMENT ACTUAY URGED THE U.S. GOVERNMENT T ADD PASOUD ESSENTLLY TO ITS TARGET LIST, NOTUST TO GO AFTER AL QAE FIGURES OR FIGES DIRECTLYNVOLVED AGAINST U.S. FORCES INFGHANISTAN, BUT, IN FACT, BECAUSE HE WAS SUCH THREAT TO THE STABILITY OF YOURTATE AND CAUSING SUCH HAVOC,THAT YOU ALL WANTED M ADDED THE LIST. TT THE CASE?

>> WELL, MAARET, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT I A QUESTIOI'M IN A POSITION ANSWER. L I CAN SAY IS AT PAKISTANND THE UNED STATES DO COPERATE AND IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE IT IS OUR COOPERATION THAT HAS BROUGHT T RESULTS TH ARE BEING REPORTED RIGH NOW.

>> SO YOU'RE SING YOUR COOPERATIODID, IN FACT, LEAD TO THIS STRIKE AND OTHERS.

>> IM NOT GOING TO GO INTO E TECHNICAL DEILS OF T STRIKE BECAUS FOR ME THAT WANOT THE STORY. I NOW IT IS THE STORY FOR YOU. BUTFOR ME THE STORY IS THE BIG PICTURE AND THE BIG PICTURES THAT PAKISTAN A THE UNITESTATES WOR TOGETHER TO ELIMITE TERRORISM AND EXTREMEISM FM --

>> AND PICKG UP ON SOMETHING YOU SAID A LITTLE EARLIER, TT OF COURSE THE STRUGGLEOULD CONTINUE. CANOU SHARE WITH US ANY INRMATION, YOUR GOVERNMEN HA ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK HIS DEMISE, MASOUDEMISE WOULD MEAN TO THE EFFECTIVEESS OF THERATHER POTENTROUP THAT HE DID HEAD.

>> WELL, MASOUD WAS AYOU ALREADY SAID A CHARIATIC LEADER. HE ALSO HAD BECOME A RECOGNIZED FIGURE. HIS NAME HAD BECOME A HOUSEHOLD WORD. SO IN THOSE SENSES HIS ELIMINATION WILL DEFINITELY HAVE SOME IMPACT ON HIS GROUP AS A CHISMATIC ADER WHOSE DEMISE DOES FOR ANY SUCGROUP. BUT AT THE SAME TI, OF COURSE THEY WILL TRY AND REGROUP, FIND A N LEADER. I MAY NOT BE AS EFFTIVE. AND THEN WE WLL HAVE TO SEE HOW THE VARIOUS ALLIES WORK WITH THE NEW LEADERSHIP,ND HOW THE FOLLOWERS PONDO THE NEW LEADERSHIP, DS THE NEW LEADER HAVE THE SAME CAPABILITIES, NEGATIVE CAPABILITIES THAT MASOUD HA SO IT'S NOT THE END BUT IT IS CERTAINLY AN IMPORTANT EVENT IN THE STRUGGLE AGAINST EXTREMISM AND TEORISM IN OUR PART OF THE WORLD.

>> Warne THANK YOU BOTH RY MUCH, AMBASSADOR HUSAIN HAQQANI, SVE COLL.

>> Woodruf ON OUR WEBSITE WSHOUR.PBS.ORG TEACHE AND PARENTS CAN E A LESSON PLAN ON GOVERNMENTS NEGOTIATING WITHHE TALIBAN. THIS IS PLEDGE WEEK ON PUBLI TELEVISION, WE' TAKING A SHORT BREAK NOW SO UR PUBLIC TELISION STATION CAN ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT. AT SUPPORT HELPS KEEP PROGRA LIKE OURS ON THEIR.

>> GOOD ENING. IT'S PAUL AND PAULA. I'M PAUL ANTHONY. AND I'M HERWITH PLA KERGER, PRESIDENT AND CHIEF ECUTIVE OFFICER OF PBS WE ARE TIN JUST A MOMENT DURING THIS EVENG'S BROADCAST TO INVITE YOU TOECOME A SUPPORTING MEMBER OF WETA. IT'S OUR SINGULAR PURPOSE TO DELIVER TELEVISION PROGRAMMING AND ENLIGHTENO EDUCATE OUR SHARED COMMUNITY. AND WE'RE AE TO DO THA THANKS TO OUR MEMBERS, WHO ARE THEERY BACKBONE OF THIS ORGANIZATION SOLEASEONSIDER BECOMING A PART OF WHAT PUBLIC TELEVISON ES BEST, DELIVERING TELEVISN PROGRAMS WITH IMCT. WITH YOUR CALL OF FINANCIAL SUPPORT TO 888-202-2777, AND DO IT RIGHT NOW. PAULA, HOW DO THE "NEWSHOUR" AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS PROGRAMS FULFILL PBS' MISSN?

>> I THINK THAT THE WK THAT W DO IN PUBLIC AFFAIRSS ABSOLUTELY CORE T WHAT PUBLIC TELEVISION PROVIDES. IT'S IROC THAT IN A MEDIA LANDSCAPE WHE THERE ARE MY, MANY OPTIONS FOR NEWS, HOW MANY PEOPLE COME BACK TO PUBLIC TELEVISION F THE KIND OF OUGHTFUL DISCOURSE. THINK ABOUT WHAT E "NEWSHOUR" PRESENTS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT RENT NEWS EVENTS AND LOOK AT TH WAY OTHER BROADCASTERS HAVE COVEREDHE NEWS, IT GIVES YOU, I THINK, A RY DIFRENT PERSPECTIVEHAN WHAT THE "NEWSUR" REPRESENTS WHICH IS THOUGHTFUL ALYSIS PUT INTO CONTEXT AND THAT, THINK, WHAT WE DO BETTER THAN AONE ELSE.

>> DURING TIMES OF CRISIS WE' ALL SEEN THE NUMBE THAT PEOPL COME SPECIFICALLY TO THE "NSHOUR" AND PUBLIC TELEVISIO BECAUSE THEY FEEL COMFOABLE WITH WHAT EY GET THER >>WELL, I THINK IT'S ALSO ABOUT TRUST. AND I THINK IT'S NOOINCIDENCE THAT J LEHRER HAS BEEN TAPPED FOR EVERY PRESIDENTIA DEBATEN RECENT HISTORY. IHINK THAT IS BECAUSE OTHE QUALITY OF THE WOR THAT HE DOES BOTH ASN ANCHOR AS WELL AS AN EDITOR, AND THINK THAT WHATE HAS BUILT WITH THE "NEWSHOUR" AND WHAT E EXTRAORDINARILY TALENTED TEAM HAS ILT IS A NEWS BROADCAST THAT REALLY IS SIULAR IN ITS RK. AND AS WE LOOK FORWARD IN WATCHINGHE "NEWSHOUR" ELVE WITH ITS PARTNERSHS WITH NPR, WITH ITS WORK THAT IT'S BEE DOING WITH "FRONT LINE", I THINK IT'S GOING TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY AN EXTRAORDINARILY EFFECTIVE WAY. >>I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. NO, JUST A COUE MINUTES LEF IN THIS BREAKO PLEASE CALL US NOW AT 888-202-2777. AND SHO YOUR SUPPO AND YOUR LOVING THIS PROGRAM AS MUCH AS DOYOU. YOU'VEOME BACK AND FOR EVERY TIME. LIKEHE "THE NEWSHOUR WITH M LEHRER" WE RECVE EMAILS AND LETTERSOR IT. THE COUNT OUT FOR NS COVERAGE THAT GOES BEYOND SOUND BITES AND EAL SUBSTANCE AND FOR I OUGHTFUL EVENTS ON ISSUES. IT'S T KIND OF TELEVISION THAT WE IS DEDICATED TO BRING IT T YOU. BUT WE CAN'TO IT ONE. ECOME THE NT SUPPORTING VIEW OF THE "NEWSHOUR" BY DIALING 888-202-2777. WE HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF MOMENTS LEFT BEFORE WE HA TO GO BACK TO THE "NEWSHOUR." UBLIC TELEVISIONAS ENDURED R DECADES. WHAT DO YOU ATTRIBUTE ITS SUCCESS AND HOW CAN ITS VIEWERS HELP PERTUATE THAT. I THINK OUR SUCCESS IS BAS ON THE FACTHAT WE REMAIN FOCUS ON QUALITY AND I THINK THAT'S TREMDOUSLY IMPORTANT AS REALLY THE KEYSTONE OF WHAT PUBLI TEVISION ATTEMPTS BOTH INEWS AS WELL AS F KIDS. I ALSO THI THA WE HAVE ENDUREDECAUSE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY HAVE DUG DOWN IN THEIR POCKETSND SUPPORT THIS STATIO BECAUSE YOU KNOW HOW TREMENDOUSLY IMPORNT WETA IS. I A MEMBER O THIS ATION. IT'S ONE OF THE FIRST THIS VE DONE IN THIS STAON BECAUSE THE WORK THAT IS DONE IS TREMEOUSLY IMPORTANT. DON'T RELY ONOUR NEIGHBO TO DO SOMETHING THAEACH ANDVERY ONE OF YOU NEEDS TO DO OURSELVES AND KE YOUR CONTRIBUTION

>> WE CAN'T EMPHIZE THAT ENOUGH I KNOW WE GET KIND OF COMPLACENT AND INUNDATED FOR ASKS. EVERYONE IS ASKINGOR MONEY. I THINK YOU HAVE T MAKE YOUR DETERMATION OF WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU.

>> ASSUME THA OUR VOICE DOESN'T MATTETHAT MUCH AND IT DOES. EACH AND EVERY PERSON STANDING TOGETH IS WT CREATEDHIS STATION IS WHAT CREATED THE "NEWSHOUR ANDT IS WHAT WILL KEEP US STRONG. SO IF YOU CARE ABOUT THOHTFUL JOURNALM, THE KIND OF OF WORK TH

>> WE' JUST ABOUT READY TO RETURN TO THE "NEHOUR." IF YOU CALLED US DURING TS BREAK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND IF U HAVEN'T Y CALLED WITH YOUR INVESTME, THEN DO IT RIGHNOW. CALL 888-202-2Y THE PROGRAM AND YOU IN AITTLE WHILE. Rorter: FOR RE-DISCOVERING E TRADITION IN WT AFRICA OF EROLAN

>> Woodruff: ANGER, OTESTS AND PLENTYF DEBATE. THAT'S WHAT SOME WMAKERS FACED TH WEEK IN THE BATTLE OVER HEALTH REFORM. AND THAT WAS THEIR HOME TURF. HEALTH CORRESPDENT BETTY ANN BOER HAS OUR REPORT. THE HEALTH UNIT IS A PTNERSHIP WITH THEOBERT WOOD JOHNSON FOUNDATION.

>> HANDS OFF O HEALTHCARE.

>> Reporter: IT'S BEEN JUSTNE WEEK SINCE MEMRS OF THE HOUSE T THE ROAD TO FIND OUT WHAT THEIR CSTITUENTS THINK OF EIR PARTY'S HEALTH CARE REFO BILLS, AND WHAT SOME OF TH ARE RUNNING INTOS A LOT OF AUGUST HEAT. STERDAY NEARLY 200 PROTESTER BOTH FOR AND AGAST CURRENT REFORPROPOSALS, SHOWED UP OUTSIDE THIS HEALTHLINIC IN DENVER WHERE SPEAKER OFHE HOUSE NANCY PELOSI AND LOC CONGRESSIONAL REESENTATIVES CAMEO SELL DEMOCRATIC REFORM IDEAS. PELOSI, FOR HER PART, SEED UNFAZED BY THEUCUS.

>> WHAT YOU SEE I THINIS A DISPLAY OF T DEMOCRATIC PROCS. WHERE PEOPE COME FORWARD AND EXPRESS THEIR VIEWS AND WELL RESPECT THAT.

>> Reporter: ELSEWHERE, PTESTS HAVE BEEN EN MORE DISRUPTIVE.

>> LONGN ODD HAVE KATE OF HEALTH-CARE REFORM WAS BOO DER. >>ED AT DURING A TOWN HALL MEET EGG HELD IN ROMULUS, MICHIGAN. HE GATHERING BECE SO CONTENTIOUS THAT POLE ESCORTED SOME PEOPL AWAY WE GET A HALF HOUR?

>> EARLIER THE WEEK TEXAS DEMOCT JEAN GREEN WAS SHOUTED DOWN A TOWN HALL MEETING.

>> THAT'S N RIGHT.

>> WHI HOUSE SPOKESAN ROBERT GB SAID ITE HOUSE SPOKESMAN ROBERT GIBBS SAID MUCH OFHAT ANGER IS BEINORCHESTRATED BY RIGHT- LEANING GROUPS AND BIG MEY INTERESTS.

>> THINK YOU HAD GROUPS TODAY, CONSERVATIVES FOR TIENTS RIGHTSTHAT HAVE BRAGGED ABOUT ORGANIZINGND MANUFACTURING AT ANGER.

>> SEEMS LIKEHEN CONGRESS GETS INVOLVED, THINGS JUST ST MORE.

>> Reporter: NSERVATIVES FOR ATIENT RIGHTS FOUNDED BY A A TO ONT TV ADSCEO HAS SPE OPOSING THE DEMOCRATIC HEALTHCARE PN, THE GROUP'S WEBSITE TARGETS CORESSIONAL TOWN HALL MEETINGS AND URG PEOPLE TO GO ANDROTEST. T THE ORGANIZATION DENIES THERE IS ANYTHING MAFACTURED ABO THE ANGER PEOPLE ARE FEELING. NANCY RUMFELT IS AFFIATED WITH THE GRP AND SEVERAL OTHER ACTIVIST ORGANIZATIONS.

>> THERE'S BEEN LOTS OF PROTTS DONE BY THE LEFT, ON THE AQ WAR AND STUFF AND PEOP DIDN'T QUESTION HOW HELPL WAS THAT BECSE IT'S THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO DO THATJUST AS ITS OURS DO THIS.

>> Reporter: ANEW WARD SAYS HE UPPORTS THESE GROUPS BUT IS T CONTROLLED BY EM.

>> I'MOT BOUGHT AND PAID FOR. I'M NOT PART OF AN ANG MOB. I'M NOT PA OF A VAST RIGHT NG CONSPIRACY. I'M HERE BECAE I AM WHO I AM D I HEARD ABOUT IT AND WANT VOICE TO BE HEAR YES, I'M PART OF E REPUBLICAN PART BUT IM NOT BOUGHT AND PAID FOR. I SN'T TOLD TO COME HERE. I CAME HERE ONY OWN BECAUSE I'A WORRIED AMERICAN.

>> Rorter: PRESIDENT OBAMA'S "ORGIZING FOR AMERIC CAMPAIGN HAS SENEMAILS TO SUPPORTERS SAYING THE PROTTS ARE ORGAZED BY "INSURANCE COMPANIES, SPECIAL INTERESTSND PARTISAN ATTACORGANIZATIONS" AND ARE "USING SCARE TACTS AND SPREADINGMEARS, TRYING TO CITE CONSTITUENTS INTO LASHI OUT AT THEIR REPSENTATIVES AND DIUPTING THEIR EVENTS." OTHER LEFT-LEANING GROUPS HA ALSO BEGUN TO MILIZE THEIR FORC. DOUG LINDSLAY WAS CONTACTEDY MOVEON.ORG TO TEND THE DENVER LLY.

>> I DON'T THINK E SHOUTING ITSF IS ALL THAT HELPFUL, BUT ITS HARD FOR ME-WHEN T OTHER SIDE STARTS SHOING-ITS HARD FOR NOT TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE SAME. BUIF SOMEONE WAS DOING IT WHEN CONGRESS PEOPLE WE SPEAKING TO US, D CERTAINLY ASK THAT THEY BE CIVIL AND WAIT THR TURN TO ASK A ESTION INSTEAD OF SHOUTING OUT, WHICH I'VE SEEA LOT OF IN THE ST WEEK. AND ITS VER, ITS NOT GOOD FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS IN MY HUMBLE OPINION.

>> Reporr: DIANE LUCAS IS A PEDIATRICIAN AND AN ACTIVI FOR A SINGLE PAY PLAN, SOMETHING T ON THE TABLE IN WASHINGTON

>> SEE OUR MISSION AS EDUCATION. I'M OUT WITH MY CLIPBOD SIGNING UP PEOPLE STHEY KNOW WH'S HAPPENING IN COLORADO AND ON A FEDERAL LEVEL

>> Reporter: BACK INSIDE, POSI WAS ASKEDBOUT THE DISRUPTIONS D WHETHER THE LEADERSHIP SHOULD RE-TNK HOW IT'S SELLING THE PARTY'S HEAL CARE PROPOSALS.

>> MEMBERS KNOW BEST H THEY COMMUCATE WITH CONSTITUENTS. SOME DO IT CONGRESS IN YOUR COER, GOVERNMENT IN YOUR OCERY STORE, TOWN HALL MEETINGS, PRESS CONFERENC. UT THERE'S BEEN NO CHANGE IN STRATEGY. THE PLAN FOR AUGUST ISO LISTEN CAREFULLTO WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WHAT IAS THEY MAY HAVETO IMPROVE LEGISLATION AS IT AFFECTS THEM. BUT TO BE CONFIDENIN THE PRINCIPLESERE PUTTING FORTH.

>> Reporter: IT COULD BE VERY LONG, HOTONTH FOR CONGRESSNAL DEMOCRAT T > Woodruff: FINALLY TONIGHT, THE ANALYSISF SHIELDS AND BRKS. SYNDICATED COLUMNIST RK SHIELDS AND "N YORK TIMES" COLUIST DAVID BROOKS.

>> THANK YOU FOR BEING HER

>> WELL, MARK, LET'S PIC UP ON BETTY ANN BOWSER REPORT. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OTHESE PROSTORS SHOWING UP AT TOWN MEETINGS IN CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTALL OVER THE COUNTRY?

>> WELL, FIR OF ALL THERE AR LEGITIMATE AND AUTHENC CONCERNS ABO THEPLAN, AND QUESTIONSBOUT THE PLAN. AND WE SEE THAT IN PUBLIC OPINION POLLS. BUT THERE IS, I THINK, A DAER HERE THAT CIVILI BECOMES A SI OF WEAKNESS AND THAT THE PUBL DEBTE IS DEBASED WHEN A SHOUTING DONE. IT DOESN'T BECOME A QUESTION OF MY OPONENT IS ILL-INFORMED OR JUST STAKEN OR HAS THE FCTS WRONG. IT BECOMES ONE THAT HE IS -- IS ILEGITIMATE. HE'S PARTF THEAST NSPIRACY. AND REALLY THIN THAT IS A DANGER. IT HAS OBVUSLY I THINK THE SPEAKER, IT HER FONDEST HOPE TH THERE WILL BE A COMMUNICAON BUT I THINK THIS HAS CHANGED THE DEBATE FROM THE MERI OF THE BILL AND THE PROPOSALS TO COVERAGE TO Y ABOUT THE PROTEST AND THE SHOUT DOWN AND SO FRTH.

>> DAVID, HOW DO YOU FIND HIS.

>> WELL, FIR OF ALL I HAVE BEEN SITTING AT THIS TABLE LONG ENOUGH TO HATE THA KIND OF SHOUTING. I HATE IT WHEN TH SHOUT DOW LLOYD DOCKET OR WHOFER. I HATE IT EN THE CO PINK LADY WAS STAND UP DURING THE HEARING THE IRAQ WAR AND SHOUT PEOPLE DOWN AND HAVE TO BE ARRESTED AND CARRIED AWAY. BUT I DO AGREE AT THE CONCERN IS REAM. IF Y LOOK AT THE POLLS 'S MUCH MORE THAN ANY ASTROTU CONSIDRATION.

>> THE CONCERN.

>> THE CONCERN OVER HEALTH-CARE REFORM. THE POLS RIGHT NO IS SLIGHT MAJORITY ARE VERY SUSPICIOUS OF THE BASIC APPROACH. D IF YOU COMPARE WHERE THE POLLSRE NOW TO WHERE TH WERE WHEN CLINTON CARE DIED IN THE 1990s, IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME. WE ARE AT T LOW POI OF CLINTON CARELREADY. AND MY SUSPICI IS THAT WL ONLY INCREASE BECAUS THE BASIC PROBLEM THE PRPONENTS HAVE IS THEREIS NO GOOD BILL SITTING OUT THERE. SO THE PRESIDENT IS GING TO SPEND THE MOH GOING AROUND UT HE HAS NOTHING ACTUALLY TO SELL. AND SOHAT LEAVES HIM SORT OF EMPTY-HANDED WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS I THINK THEY ARE SORT OF IFTING ATTENTION TO THEPROTESTS RHER THAN THE BILL.

>> UT IS IT A LEGIT PAT WORRY ON THR PART THAT WHT'S BEING PROPOSED COULD LEAD TO GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER WHICH IS WHATO MANY -- THERE A LOT OF MISINFORMATIOOUT THERE THAT ITHEY GOING TO CUT OFF GRANNY AND ALTHAT STUFF WHICH IS MTIFYING TO E. MY CONCERN IS, WHICH IS BACKED BY THEBO AND EVERYTHING EE, THAT WE NE HEALTH-CARE REFORM. THIS DOES NTHING TO REDUCE COSTS. THAT IS OT THE ARGUE THEY'RE MAKING PAIN BECAUSE 'S TO THE AN EMOTIONAL HOT BUTTON ARGUMENT. THEY'REGOING TO KILL YOU GRANNY. SO THERE IS A TON OF MISINFORMATION GOING OU THERE. BUT THAT DOESN'T ME THERE IS REAL SERIOUS CONCERN WITH REAL EVIDENCE SORT OF UNDERE WIG I ASSE IS MOTIVING MOST OF THE PEOPLE.

>> BUT MARK, THE DEBATE DON'T REALLY SEEM OV WHAT IS IN T LEGISLATION T SEEMS TO BE WHA PEOPLE ARE THROWI AROUND.

>> TOWING OUT, IT DELIBERATE, HIS INFORMATION, THIS ISN'T JUST ACCIDENTAL, THIS INFORMION THERE ARE TELEVISION SPOTS NOW BEING FUND WHERE WHY CAN I -- I CAN TOHE GET A HIP REPLACEMENTSURGERY SAYS THE OLDER PERSON, CHARACTER ACTOR, BUT IT WILL PAY FOR ABORTIONS WHICI OPPOSE. IT'S÷-WRONG ON BOTH GROUNDS. THERE ISO BAS FOR THAT. DAVID IS RIGHT ABOUT HE SCARE TACTICSABOUT YOUTH -- EUTHANASIA. IT JUST CHANG THE WHOLE TERMS OF TH DEBATE. I DON'T DISAGREE WI DAVID THATHERE ARE LEGITATE CONCERNS THAT HAVEEEN GROWING CONCERN. BUT TH IS GNERATED A LOT MORE HEAT THAN ITS LIGHT. AND WH IT IS DOING IS SUGSTING THAT YOU'RE NOT -- YOUROTIVES ARE IMPURE IF ARE YOU AND ROD ADVOCATE OF ALTH CARE.

>> LET'S NOT PRETEND TS JUST STARTED. EVERY TIME WE HAVE A MAJOR ISE THIS HAPPENS. GO BACK TOHE IRAQ WR. THE WERE PEOPLE CLAIMING THERE W THE PROJECT FOR THE NEW MAERNT ST REAND RIARD PEARL WAS PART OF A BIG NEOCONNECTIT SPIRS SEE THERE IS UGLYNESS THAT WENT ON, THE IS UGLYNESS THAT WENT ON IN THOSE RALLIES.

>> YOU ARE SAYING IT IS THE SAME CONCEPT.

>> I THINKVERY TIME IF YOU LOOK THUGH AMERICAN HISTORY EVERY TI THERE A MAJOR ISSUE, AND THIS A MAJOR ISSUE, YOU GET PEOPLE TOTALLY OVER THE LE AND SPREADING MISINFORMATION. AND THAT DOESN'T STIFY IT, BELIEVE ME BUT WE SHOULDN'T PRTEND IT JUST STARTED FROM ONE GROUP.

>> NO, BUT TS IS, I THINK THIS ISRGANIZED IN AAY THAT HE OTHERS WEREN'T. I AN WHEN ANY OF US GIVES APEECH, WE ARE ASKED ALMOSTEMI REGULARL ABOUT WHATBOUT 9/11. AND WASN'T TT, IN FACT ORGANIZED AND THE PLE KOS NOT HAVE KNOCKED DOWN THE TWIN TOWERS. I MEAN THAT IS A REGULAR -- AND ITS USUALLY SOMEBODY THAT -- THIS NOT SOMETHING WHE SOMEBODY IS SHOUTING YOU DOWN D DENYING YOU. THE CODE PINK LIES DAVID MEIONED WOULD SPEAK WOULD SHOUT AT THE CONGRESSIAL HEARINGS BUT THETHEY WOULD BE QUICKLYEMOVED. THISTO THE DEBATE. THAT'S WHAT IS GING ON RIGHT NOW. THAS THE DIERENCE.

>> SO WHEN THE FELLOW BETTY ANN INTEREW, ONEOF THE GENTLEMAN SAID THISOT GOOD FOR T DEMOCRATI PROCESS.

>> ITSN'T.

>> IS THA RIGHT.

>> NO.

>> YAH, I THINK WE CAN BOTH AGREE ON THAT. WE'RE NOTHOUTING AT EACH OTHER ALL THESE YRS, SO YEAH.

>> SO NOTHING, SO WHAT IS E EFFECT ON HEALTH-CARE REFORM IS THE ANY EFFECT, DOES IT JUSTTOP THE DEATE.

>> IT CHANES THE WOL BATE. I MEAN THEOVERAGE, BTY ANN HAS DONE GREAT COVERE ABOUT THE CAS PRO AN CON FOR THE PROS -- PROPOSALS. SHE'SEDUCED TO BEING FIGHTREPORTER AND INTERVIEWING E PEOPLE ON EIHER SIDE. I MEAN NOT REDUCED TO THAT BUT I MEAN THAT'S THE STORY. AND SO THE STO IS TO YOU OUT THE PROTESTS INSTEAD OF ABT THEROPOSAL. > ALL RIGHT. SOTHING ELSE TO TALK ABOUT TOY. A LITTLE BIT OF GOOD ECONOMIC NEWS, DAVID. UNEMPLOYME NUMBERS CAME OUT AND SURPRISE, THEY WERE A LITTLE BIT BETT THAN WHAT PEOPLE EXPECTE

>> NOT AS BAAS WE THOUGHT. AND IF YOU ARE LING 240,0 JOBS, THIS COMES AS OD NEWS, I GUESSMENT AND I THINK IT IS APIECEHICH IS THE DEPTH OF THE RECESSI WE HAVE SORT OF, IT WENT DOWN WHAD A TOTAL COLLAPSE AND N WE ARE HERE SORT OF AT A FLAT LEVE NOW THE DATE HAS ERUPTED A RETROACTIVE DEBATE ABO THE STIMUS BILL AND HOW MUCH THE STIMULUS BILL IS A PART. I GUESS MY PAPER HAD A STORY TODAY. THE CONSSUS SEEMS TO IT BE HAD A SMALL LE, MAYBE INCREASED GWTH BY 1%. BUT HAVNG SENT RELATIVELY LITTLE OF THE ACTUAL87 BILLION THAT WASHERE, BUT ITHINK WHAT ESSENTIALLY MEANS IS WILL SEEROWTH IN THE SECONDALF OF THE TERM BUT THE ENOMIC MOOD WILL NOT CHANGE. AND AS PART OF, GOING BACK TO HETH CARE, WHENOU LOK AT MAJOR REFORMS THEY ND TO HAPPEN AT PERIODS OF HIGH ECONOMIC GROWT IT'S ALMOST UNPRECEDEED TO THINK OF MAJOR SOCIAL REFORMS AT TIME OF ECONOMIC ANXIETYECAUSE PEOPLE PU INWARD ARE RISK ADVERSE, HAT IS THE PA OF THE POLITICAL --

>> SUCK LOGICALLY IT'SGOOD NEWS. I MEAN ONE-THI AS MANY PEOPLE LOST THEI JOBS IN JU AS DID IN JANRY. AND MORE PEOPLE LSTHEIR JS IN JANUARY THAN ANY MONTHSINCE 1940. SO YOU KNOW THATENSE IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT, JUDY. BUT THE ALITY IS ACCORDING TO THE SENATE F BUDGETND POLI PRIORITIES WHICH IS A LIBERALS GRO, THAT UNEMPLOYMENT DOESN'T PEAK FOR A LONG TIME UNTIL TER THE END OF THEECESSION. FOR EXAMPLE, IN 2001 CESSION UNEMPLOYMENT DID NOT PEAK, THAT IS DID N REACH ITS LOWEST POINT, UNTIL, O HIGHEST POINT UNTIL 19 MONS AFTER THE RECESSION HAD HENDED. IT WAS 15 MONTHS IN THE 1991 RECESSION. O THE LAYOFFS BEING LESS WER ARE NOT TO BE N FUSSED WI HIRING AND JOBS GOIN OUT. O-THIRD OF THE PEOPLE WHO E UNEMPLOYED RIGHT NO HAVE BE UMPLOYED FOR MORE THAN HALFA YEAR. AND AT IS MORE SERIOUS A MORE EAT THAN ANY TIME I THE HISTORYF RECORDKEEPING ON THE SUBJECTHICH GUESS BACK OVER 60 YEARS.

>> TWO OTHER THINGI WANT TO TRY TO TOUCH ON. BILL CLINTON'S TRI DAVID NORTH KOREA, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OTHIS TRIPVER THE. HE BRINGS HOME THE TWO JOURNALISTS,HAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT AT HIS ROLE MAY BE WIT THIS.

>> I S SO IMPRESSED CAN CONTROL THE EMPATHY. THE GREAT IMPAE GOES OVER THERE AND HE IS SO TOIC,HE SHOW THOSE EMOTN. HAD TO RN OFF HIS CLINTONNESS, HIS HE SENSE. I THOUGHT ITAS A GOO NEWS STORY. HEOT THESE TWO WOMEOUT. PEOPLE ARE SAYING HE MADE SOME PSYCHOLOGIC CONCESSIONS. I DON'T SEE ANY LONG-TERM EFFECT FROM TT. I SEESOME ACTUAL GAINS, SOME CONCRE GAIN TWO WOMEN WERE LIBERATED. IT DIDN'T MAKE THE NORTH KOREAN REGIME LOOK ANY BETTER. SO I THINK IT WAS TOTAL WI

>> SO WE CAN SEPARATE IT PARK,ROM WHAT IS GNG ON WITH POLICYWIE.

>> YEAH, I AGREE. IGREE WITH DAVID. D WHAT IT SHOWS TO ME MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSIS A REORATION OF WHAT HAD BEEN A GREAT AMERICAN TRADITON. AND THAT WAS QUITE HONESTLY, JUDY, THAT YOU NEGOTIATED WITHDVERSARIES. THAT RONALD RGAN DID IT WITH THE SOVIETNION, RICHARD NIXONID IT WITH CHINA. GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH DID IT. WAS SUSPENDED, DIPLOMACY OR DIPLOMATIC ENGAGENT BECAME SOMETHINTHAT WAS CONFERRED AS A PRIZE. AND I THINK BILLLINTON DID ELL. I'M HAPPY THAT THE TWO REPORTERS AREOME.

>> AND FINALLY,SONIA SOTOMAYOR CFIRMED. SHE'S GOING TOWORN IN TOMORROW, DID, THE 9th SUPREME CRTJUSTICE. STEP BACK FOR A MINUTEOULD, DOES THIS IS A?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I HAE A SOMEWHAT UNUSUAL VIEW WHICH IS THINK WE ORPLAYED THE RACE AND WOAN ANGLE IN THE STORY. I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT H OPINION AND YOU JUS READ THE OPINION YOU WOULDN'T HAVE EN ABLE TO TELL WHAT RACE OR GENDER SHEWAS. THEY WERE JUSTOPINIONS OF EEMINGLY INTELLIGENT WON. AND SO I THINK WHEN HISTORIANS LOOKBACK THE ALL THIS, I THINK TY WILL THINKE OVERAYED, FOR UNDERSTANDABLEHISTORICAL REASONS, THE RACE AND GDER ASPECT OF THIS RAER THAN THE ALL HETHER PARTS OF HERERSONALITY AND THE WAY SHETHINKS.

>> WELL, WHAT WERE THOSE 30 EPUBLICAN SENATORS VOTING AGAINST.

>> EY WERE VOTING AGAINST THE FACT THAT SHES WH A LIBERAL. A I DISAPPROVE OF THAT. I THINK PRESIDENTS SHOULD BE ALLOWEDO PICK WHO TEY LIK BARACK OBA DISAGREEED WIT THAT. BUT THE EIGHT RUBLICANS TH WHO VOTED FOR H SAID HEY, HE WONTHE ELECTION. WE MAY NOT AGREE WITH HER, WE'LL VOTE FOHER. I THI THAT IS THE RHT THI TO DO. AND I HOPE WEGAEKT TOHAT AS AESULT OF THE REALLY GOOD HEROIC ACTION OF THE REPUBLICANENATORS.

>> ANY GROUPIN OUR COUNTRY'S HISTORY WHICH HAS HELD ITSELF EXEXCLUDED OR ESTRANGE THESE THE ESTABLISHMENT WHETHER IT' ETHNIC OR RELIGIS,HEN ONE OF ITS OWN EMERS TO A POTION OF NATIONAL ADERSHIP AND IS RECOGNIZED IN THAT, IT RLLY IS AN AFFIRM MATON NOT ONLY OF THENDIVIDUAL'S ACHIEMENTS BUALSO OF THE ENTIRE GROUP. SOHOW PEOPLE, THE TABLISHMENT, THE REST OF THCOUNTRY WILL NOW LOOK DIFFERENTLY AT . I INK THAT'SOW LATINOS FELT AND UNDERSTANDABLY SO OUT JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR. I THINK THE REPUICANS MADE TERRIBLE MISTAKE. THE REPLICANS HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM THIS COUNTRY. THEY HAVE LOST SUPPO DRAMATILLY, HEMORRHAGED SUPPORT AMONG YOG VOTERS, WOMENND LATINOS IN PARTICULAR. AND THEY'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GETACK. THEY LOST WMEN IN THE LAST FIVE ELECTIONS. THEY LO LATINOS BETTER THAN 2 TO -- THE FASTEST GROWG ETHNIC GROUP IN THE COURY. TH HAVE LOST YOUNG VOTE IN THE LT THREE PRESIDENTIALELECTIONS BY A 2 TO 1 MARVIN -- MARGITHIS LAST TIME.

>> Woodruff: DAVID TNKS THEY VOTEDGAINST HER ECAUSE THEY THINK SHE'S T LIBERAL.

>> 22 DEMOCTS VOTED FOR HN ROBERTS TO CONFIRM HIM AND HE WAS OBVIOUSLY CONSERVATIVE JUSTIC BUT I THINK THAT FOUR THE PEOPLE WHOOTED, THAT DAVID MENTIONEDOTED ARE RETIRING, JUDY. SENATORS GREG BOND A MARTINEZ AND BOYNE VERY MUCH SOT IS A DTRESSING THG. I THINK SHORT-SIGHTED ON THE PART O THE REPUBLICAN

>> DO THE REPUBLINS HAVE A PROBLEM.

>> I A MINUS BUTTHAT NOT W PEOPLE WILL VO FOR OR AGAINST T WILL BE THE BIGGER ECONOMIISSUES. MARK IS RIGHT THEY HAV A PROBLEM BUT I DON'T TNK THIS WILBE A DETERMINING FAOR.

>> Woodruff:LL RIGHT, ARE Y A DETERMINING REASON FOR AVING THE PROGRAM EVERY FRIDAY. DAVID BROOKS, MARK SHIELDS, THANK YOU BOTH. HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND

>> Woodrf: AGAIN, THE MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS OF THE DA THE U.S. UNEMPLOYMT RATE FELL SLIGLY IN JULY, AND JOB LOSSES SLOWED. A STRING OF BOMBINGS IRAQ KILLED AT AST 37 SHIITES. SCORES OF OTHERWERE WOUNDED. THIS WEEK AND ONE ARICAN AND THREE ITISH TROOPS WEREILLED IN AFGHANISTAN ONEWSHOUR.PBS.ORG O ONLINE-ONLY CONVERSATIONS TONIGHT. ON ART BEAT, JEFFREY BROWTALKS TO "WASHINON POST" FILM CRITIC HANK STOOV ABOUT DIRECTOR JOHN HUGHES WHO DIED YESTERDAY. AND TO JULIA CHILD'S AND NEPHEW, ALEXRUD'HOMME. HE CO-WROTE HEREMOIR, WHICH WAS APTED FOR THE NEW MOVIE "JULIE AND JULIA." HERE'S AN EXCET OF THEIR CONVERTION.

>> SHE H THIS VERY SORTOF OPTIMISTIC VIEW OF THE WORLD. WE END THE BOOK WH SCRN WHERE SHE IS TALKING ABO GIVING UP HER HOUSE IN ANCE AND SHE'S TELLING ME OUT THE LEONS SHE LEARNED FROM THE FRCH. AND IT BLS DOW TO TAKE THTIME TO DO THINGS RIGHT. SHE SAI YOU KNOW, COOKING IS FUN. IT'S A GREAT WAY TO G TOGETHER WITH PEOPL YOU ARE ALL SHARING THIS SENSUAL, AISTIC EXPERIENCE. WHEN YOU THINK AUT T IT IS A PHISOPHY THAT CAN APPLY TO NOT ONLY COOKING BUT TO PRETTY MUCHNYNDEAVOR IN LIFE.

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