The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer : WETA : September 28, 2009 7:00pm-8:00pm EDT; The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer

Captioning sponsod by MacNEIL/LEHR PRODUCTIONS >>ehrer: GOOD EVENING. I'M JIM LEHRER. ON THE NEWOUR THIS MONDAY, THE LEAD STORY: AN TEST FIRES MORE MISSILES. JUDY WOODRUFF LOOKS AT WHAT AN IS UP TO AND WHY. EN COME THE OTHER NEWS OF TH DAY: GWEIFILL EXAMINES WHAT PROPOSED MICARE CHANGES MEAN FOR OLDER AMERICANS;AY SUAREZ LOOKS AT THE 2016 OLPICS CITY SWPSTAKES, AS PRESIDENT OBAMA MAKES THPITCH FOR CHICAGO; MARGARET WARNER GOES OVETHE HURDLES IN SHUTTG DOWN THE GUANTANAMOAY PRISON; AND FFREY BROWN CONSIDERS THE CAREER OF COLUMNISAND WORDSMH WILLIAM SAFIRE.:2 MAJOFUNDING FOR THE NEWSHOUR WI JIM LEHRER IS PROVIDED BY:

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>> LAUNCH!

>> Reporr: LAUNCHED IN THE IRANIAN DESERT, LONG-RANGE MISSILE VELOPED BY THE REVOLUTIONARY GUARTO HIT RE DISTANT TARGETS. E TEST DOESN'T BREACH INTERNATIONAL W, BUT RUSSIA HAS JOINED THE U.S. NOW EXPRESSI CONDEMNATION OF THISHOW OF STRENGTH. THREE DAYS BORE TALKS IN GENEVA ON IR'S NUCLEAR PROGRAM. IRAN'SID-RANGE MISSILES CAN REACH UP TO 1300 KILOMETS POTENTLLY THREATENING SAUDI ARAB, ISRAEL AND U.S. BASES IN AFGHANISTAN AND IRA THE IMPROVED MISSI CAN REACH UP TO 2,000 KILOMETERS, FAR AS SOUTHERN EUROPE THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT SAY IT'S ALL ABOUT DETERING ATTACK BY ISRAEL.

>> DEFINITELY. IF THAT HAPPENS, WHICH OF COURSEE DON'T PREDICT, THE LA GASP OF THE ZIONIST REME WOULD ONLY COME MORE QUICKLY. THE DAYS OF ITS TRANSIT LIFE WHICH E ALREADY NUMBERED WOULD END VERY SOON.

>> Reporter: T MINISTER, THE NEW DEFENSE FACTY. THE U. BACKED BY ITS ALLIES IS DEMANDING THAT AN'S NEW LEE EX-HE IS PODNDERGROUND SITE BE MONIRED BY INSPECTORS. SATELLITE CTURES FROM 2005 SH A MILITARY COMPLEX NORTHET OF HOM. FOUR YEARS LATER TWO TUNNEL ENTRANCES HAVE BN DEVELOPE GGESTING THESE PICTURES SHOW THE SECRET ENRICHMENT FACILITY. ANTI-GOVERNMENT OTESTS IN TEAN TODAY AT THE UNIVERSITY REOPENED. IN T PAST THE U.S. AND EUROPE SAID AT SANCTIO WOULD BE COUNTERODUCTIVE HELPING RALLY PEOPLE BEHIND THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT. BUT WITH SO MU DISCONTENT ON THE STREETS FOOWING JUNE'S DISPUTED ELECTNS, SOME NOW BELIEVE STRONGERANCTIONS COULD WEAKEN T GOVERNMENT EVEN MORE.

>> Lehrer: IN WAINGTON TODAY

>> Lehrer: IN WASHINGTONODAY, WHITE HOUSSPOKESMAN ROBERT GIBBS SAID IRAN'S DECISION T TEST-FIRE MISSILES WAS "PROVOCATIVE." NOW JUDY WOODRF CONTINUES OUR AD STORY COVERAGE. >>oodruff: FOR MORE ON IRAN'S MISSILE TESTS TURN TO KARIM SADJADPOUR, AN ASSOCIATE AT E CARNEGIENDOWMENT FOR INTEATIONAL PEACE. AND MICHL ELLEMAN, A FORMER UNITED NATIONS MISSILE INSPEOR WHO IS NOW A VISITING FELL AT THE INTERNATIONAL INITUTE FOR STRAGIC STUDIES. THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEI WITH US. I'M GOING TO START WITH U, MICHAEL ELLEMAN. ESE MISSILES TESTS, WHAT RE DO WE KNOW ABOUT THEM?

>> WE KNOW VY LITTLE OTHER AN THE IRANIAN PROCLAMATIS. THEY HAVE NOT LEASED VIDEOTAPES OF THESE SPECIFIC TESTS SO WE DON'T KN HOW SUCCESSFULHEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN. BUT NONETHELESS IT IS IS A CONTINUED EFFORT BY AN TO DEVELOP THE SYSTEMS AND THE DEVELOPMENT TESTAPPEAR TO BE GOING ON SCHEDULE.

>> Woodruff: HOW MUCH BEYOND WHAT WAS KWN ABOUT IRAN'S CAPABILITY DOES THIS REPRESENT? HOW MUCH OF AN ADVANCE I IS?

>> WELL, IT'S NOT AN ADVCE AT ALL IN TES OF THE SHAHAB-3. THEYE BEEN TESTING THIS MISSILSINCE 1998. THEY'VE BEEN MAKG INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SYSTEM BUTHEY HAVE NOT, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPED A NEW CAPABILITY WITH REGARD TO TH LIQUID PROPELANT SYSTEMS. THIS TEST IS THE FOUR TEST, THE SOLID PROPELANT SYST ICH IN THE LONGER TERM HAS GREATER CONSEQUENCE. BUT AS ORIGHT NOW IT'S NOT A DEPLABLE SYSTEM. IT'S SIMPLY IN ITS FIRST YEA AS A DEVELOPNT. IT'S AT LET A COUPLEEARS AWAY FROM BEING DEPLOYED.

>> Woodruff: A LST A COUPLE OF YRS AWAY. HOW MUCH WAS THIS A SURISE TO THE UNITED STATES

>> I DON'T THINK IT WAS SURPRISE AT ALL. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE MILITARY EXERCISES HAD BEE PLANNED INDVANCE. THE QUESTIONS TO WHETHER THEY HAD ACTUALLY PLANNED LAUNCH THESE STRATIC MISSILES OR STRATEGIC R IRAN, THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A SURPRISE TO SOME. BUT WOULD BE EXPECTING THESE TESTS. THEYEEMED TO BE DOING THEM ABT TWICE A YEAR. THIS WOULD BE ON SEDULE, THE LAST TESTSAVING OCCURRED I MAY.

>> Woodruff: KAR SADJADPOUR, WHAT IS IT BELIEVETHAT IRAN IS UP COMING JUST DAYS AFTER IT WAS LEARN THAT THEY D THIS SECOND URANIUM ENRICHNT SITE AND JUST DAYS BEFORE THEY'RE D TO HAVE THIS MEENG WITH THE BIG POWERS?

>> JUDY, THIS HAS LONG BEEN E MODUS OPERANDI OF THE REGIME AND THE SUPREMEEADER. WHEN THE WORLD THINKS YOU'RE UNR PRESSURE GIVEN THE LATEST REVATIONS OF THE ENCHMENT FACILITY SHOW THE WORLD THAT YOU'RE NOT ING TO COMPMISE. N'T COMPROMISE BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO PRECT WEAKNESS. I THINK TH WAS A STRENGTH AHEAD OF THESE NEGIATIONS TO PROJT AN IMAGE OF DEFIANCE TO THE WORLD.

>> Woodruff: A GESRE, A SYMBOL? OTHER WORDS?

>> ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THE CONVENTION SDOM SINCE THESE REVELATIONS WERE MADE IS NOWHE WEST WAS THE UPPER ND BECAUSE THIS HAS STRENGTHENED EUROPN RESOLVE. NOW IT WILL MAKE IT RE DIFFICULFOR THE RUSSIANS TO GIVE IRAN THBENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. IRAN IS TRYING TO Y THAT NO DON'T INK WE'RE UNDER PRESSURE OIN A POSITION TO COMPROMISE. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE RWARD LIKE WE HAD PLANNED ON IIN THE PAST.

>> Woodruff: FROM A POLICAL STANDPOI, HOW MUCH OF A THRE DOES THIS MAKE IRAN IN THREGION AND BEYOND?

>> I THINKROADLY SPEAKING, DY, AFTER THE JUNE 12 ELECTIONS WHAT TRANSRED IN IRAN IS THAT THE MODERES AND PRAGMATIC EMENTS IN THE SYSTEM HAVE REALLY BEEN PURG. SO WHEREAS IN THPAST YOU HAD PERHAPS MORE CCKS AND BALANCESRIGHT NOW YOU HAVE ESSENTLLY THE COUNTRY BEING RULED BY CARTEL. A CARTEL OF HARD-LE CLERGYMEN AND NOUVEAU CHE REVOLUTIONARY GUARDSMEN. I REMEMBER PSIDENT AHMADINEJAD SAID COUPLE YEARS AGO AND RE RECENTLY THAT IRAN'S NUCLEAR PRRAM IS A TRAIN WI NO BRAKES AND NO REVERSE GEAR. I THINK THEY'RE GOING MOVE FORWARD.

>> Woodruff: HOWOES THIS EFFECT, MICHAEL ELLEN, THE BALANCE OF POWERN THAT GION, IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND THE PERSIAN GULF? >>ERTAINLY IT HAS TO BE A CONTINUING WOR FOR THE ISRAELIS BECAUSE THE SYSTEMS THEY HAVE INLACE NOW, THE MISSILES, CAN REACH ISEL AND HAVEEEN ABLE TO SINCE THEY DEPLED THEM IN 2003. ON A STRATEGIC LEL OVER THE LONG TERM, IRAMAY BE ABLE TO VELOP WITH THEIR SOLID OPELANT SYSTEMS LONGER-RANGE CAPABILITIESIN OTHER WORDS, BE ABLTO THREATEN WESTERN EUPE. THIS IS FIVE OR TEN YEARS DO THE ROAD. THERE WILL BE A MBER OF INDICATORS OR SIGNATES OF ACTIVITY THAT WILLLLOW US TO FORECA THAT WELL IN ADVANCE CH ITS REALIZATION.

>> Woodrf: IF THIS WAS A STEP, AS YOUAY, THAT WASN'T SURPRISE, THEN DS THAT MEAN THAT FURTHER TESTCAN BE EXPEED DOWN THE ROAD AS THEY ADVANCE, MAKE EV FURTHER ADVANCES ON THE MISSILES? CERTAINLY. THE TESTS FROM A TECHNAL PERSPEIVE HAVE TWO PRIMARY OBJECTIVES. ONE, YOUAVE TO TRAIN THE TRPS ON HOW TO OPERATE THE SYSTEMS. THEY'RE NOT SIMPLE. THEY NEED TO GO THUGH EXERCISES. WI THIS MISSILE I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT EY'RE DOING. THOUGH THEY ARE INCORPATING MIR MODIFICATIONS TO IMPROVE ITS PERFORMANCE. WITH THE OTHER ONE, TH'RE ILL TRYING TO ESTABLISH THAT THEY CANEPRODUCEABLY AND RELIABLY PRODU THIS MISSILE. THAT WILL TA ANOTHER FOUR YEARS OF TESTI IF HISTORY IS ANY INDICATOOF THE FUTURE.

>> Woodruf AGAIN, KARIM SADJADPO, WITH THESE TALKS COMING UP JUST THURSY OF THIS WEEK,S IT THOUGHT THAT THIS STRENGTNS IRAN'S HAND? IT UNSETE THESE TALKS? W IS THAT BEING VIEWED?

>> I THINK IRAWILL GO INTO THE MEETING WITH TWO OBJECTIVES. ONE, THEY WANT TO PROJECT AN IMAGE DEFIANCE. WE'RE NOT THE MOOD TO COMPROMI, ON THE ONE HAND. ON THE OTHER HAND I THK THEY WANT TO SHOW JUST ENGH LEG TO BE SU THERE'S A SECOND MEETING, TO DRIVE ON THESE NEGOTIATIONS I THINK THEY WILBE ABLE TO WRECK OB SILHAT. FROM THE VANTAGE POI OF THE WEST PARTICURLY THE UNITED STATESHERE'S VERY LITTLE CONFIDENCE THAT THIS PARTICUL IRANIAN REGIME IS WILLING OR CAPABLE OF MANG THE TYPE OF MEANINGFUL COMPROMISES TO MEET THE UNED STATES HALFWAY OR EV A THIRD OF T WAY.

>> Woodruff: DRAG THE MEETIN FOR HOW LONG?

>> THIS IS A REGIME WHICH S SEEDEDNORMOUS LEGITIMACY DOMESTICALLY. THE WAY TO RECOUP THAT LETIMACY IS TO SHOW THAT GREAPOWERS ARE NOW NEGOTIATING WI US. WE ARE LEGITIMATE.

>> Woodruff: MICHAEL ELLAN, YOU ARE PART OF THE MILITARY ESTABLIMENT IN ANY ONE OF TSE OTHER COUNTRIES, UNITED STATES,RITAIN, FRANCE, GERMANY, RUSA, CHINA, HOW DOES IT AFFECT YOUR TITUDE TORD IRAN?

>> WL, IRAN HAS A VERY LIMITED ABILITY USE ITS AIR FOE TO ATTACK TARGETS A GOOD DISTAN AWAY FROM THE BORDER. THIS IS THE ONLY MECHANI THAT THEY HA IN PLACE WHERE TH CAN THREATEN TARGETS AS FAR AS ISRAEL OR THE PERAN GULF. SO IN THAT SENSE, YOU MUST PLAN YOUR MILITARYTRATEGIES TO BE ABLE TO COUNTER TH. IN FACT IF YOU LOOK THE MISSILE DEFENSE PROGRAMS THA ISRAELAS AND THE CHANGE IN THE MISSILE DEFENSE PROGMS THAT THE U.S. S ANNOUNCED TWO WEEKS AGO, WE SEE THAT WE'RE YING TO DEVELOP AND IMPLEMENCAPABILITIES THAT WILL BE ABLE TO NEUTRAZE THE IRANIAN MISSILE THAT.

>> Woodruff: IS IT POSSIBLE WEE MAKING TOO MUCH OF THIS, MAKING TOO BIG A DEA OF THE MISSILE TESTS THEMSELVES? YE I THINK WE'RE MAKING MUCH MORE FUSS ER WHAT I WOULD CA JUST ORDINARY DEVELOPMTS.

>> I WOULD AGREE WITTHAT. I ALWAYS LOOK THE INSTITUTION THE BA CZAR. WHEN YOU GINTO A CARPET BAZAAR, YOU NEVER OW THE MERCHANT HOW MUCYOU LIKE THAT CARPET BEUSE IF HE KNOWS HE CAN EXTRACT A VER HIGH PRICE FOR IT. WHEN THERANIANS VANTAGE POINTHEY SAY THE AMERICANS FEEL SO STRONGLY AUT THE NUCLEAR PROGRAM THEN TY SHOULDFFER US THE CORRESPONDING PRIC I POSED THIS TO OFFICIAL. I DON'T THINK THIS NUCAR WAS EVER SO IMPORTANFOR IRAN UNTIL IT BAME SO IMPORTANT TO THE UNITED STATES. HE SAID TH'S ABSOLUTELY GHT.

>> Woodrf: WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS FOTHE REST OF THE WOD JUST TO ACT AS IF THIS ... TO YAWN AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S NEX SPEAK SOFTLY AND CARRY A BIG STICK, WOULD SAY.

>> Wdruff: ALREADY. WEL LEAVE IT THERE. KARIM SADJADPOURTHANK YOU. MICHAEL ELLEMAN, THANK Y BOTH.

>> Lehrer: IN OTHER WS TODAY, U.S. FORCES RERTED KILLING AT LET 30 TALIBAN FIGHTERS IN STERN AFGHANISTAN. ELSEWHERE, A DOZ AFGHAN CIVILIANS DIED IN ATTACKS INSURGENTS ACRDING TO U.N. FIGURES, MORE THAN 1,500 AFGHANS WERE KIED FROMANUARY THROUGH AUGUST OF THIS YEAR. THAT UP FROM THE 1,100 KILLED INHE SAME TIME PERIOD LAST YEAR. A NEW NTER-RIGHT GOVERNMENT IN GERMANY COULBE IN PLACE BY NOMBER 9. THAT WILL BE T 20th ANNIVERSARY OF THE FALOF THE BERLIN WAL THE RULING CHRISTIAN DEMRATS AND OTR CONSERVATIVE PARTIES N ENOUGH SEATS IN SUNDAY'S ELECTION TO FORM AEW MAJORITY COALION. TODAY CHANCELLOR ANGELA MERK OMISED TO MOVE QUICKLY.

>> I WILL TALK TTHE HEAD OF THE FREE DEMOCRATS A THE HEAD OF THE CHRISTIAN SIAL UNION OF BARIA VERY QUICKLY AND DISCUSS HOW WE WL RUN THE COALITION TALKS IN THE NEXT DAYS A WEEKS. WE WANT TO DO THIS QUICKLY. OF COURSE, QLITY TAKES PRIORITY OVER EED, BUT GERMANY IS ENTITD TO HAVE A NEW GOVERNMENTUICKLY.

>> Lehrer: ELECTION OUOME PUTS AN END TO MERKEL'S UNEY ALLIANCE WITH E MORE LIBERAL SOCIAL DEMOCRATS, WHO LOST BADLY. E DEATH TOLL FROM A TROPICAL STORM IN THEHILIPPINES HIT 140 TODAY. THE CATAL OF MANILA AND SURROUNDING TOWNS WERE HIT HD BYHE STORM ON SATURDAY. IT DUMPED MORE THAA MONTH'S WORTH OF RAIIN JUST 12 HOURS, LEADING TOIDESPREAD DEVASTATN. NEARLYALF A MILLION HOMES WERE FLOODE AND OFFICIALS CALLED DAY FOR INTERNATIONAL AID. THEY ALSO WARNED ANOER STORM COULD HIT BY FRIDAY. MOVIE DIRECTOR RAN POLANSKI VOWED TOY TO FIGHT EXTRADITION FR SWITZERLAND TO THE U.S. SWISS AUTHORITIEARRESTED HIM ON SATURDAY ON A FUGITIV WAANT. IN 1977, POLANSKPLEADED GUILTY HAVING SEX WITH A 13-YEAR-O GI IN LOS ANGELES. HE FLED TO FRANCE AFTER THE JUDGE WENT BK ON A PLEA DEAL. POLANSKI IS NOW 76 YEARS OLD WALL STREET TODAY, STOCKS MADE UP SO OF THEIR LOSSES OM LAST WEEK. THE DOW JONES INDURIAL AVERAGE INED 124 POINTS TO CLOSE AT 9789. THE NASDAQOSE MORE THAN 39 POINTS TO CLOSE ABOVE 2130. AND STILL TO COME ON THE NEWSHOUR TONIG, GOING FOR THE OLYMPICS; CLOSING PRISON; AND REMEMBERING A MAN OFORDS. THAT FOLLOWS OUR LOOK AT PROPALS TO CUT MEDICARE COSTS. GW IFILL HAS THE STORY.

>> Ifill: MEDICARE WOU BE A LUCRATIVE URCE OF HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF CUTOR SAVINGS OVER THE NEXT DECADE. THE HOE BILL CALLS FOR SHAVING MORE THAN $500 BILLI OVER THE PROAM'S EXPECTED GROWTH. THAT WOULD MEAN LOWENG PAYMENTSO HOSPITALS, NURSING HOMES AND OTHER PROVIDERS. THE SENATE VERSION NOW IN COMMITTEE WOULD REDUCE THE PRRAM BY MORE THAN $400 BILLION. BUT BOTH CASES MEDICARE ADVANTAGE, A SUPPLEMENTAL PL AT PAYS PRIVATE HEALTH SURERS MORE THAN TRADITIONAL MEDICAREWOULD BE TRIMMED. NEARLY ONE IN FOUR SENIO ARE IN MEDICE ADVANTAGE. CH PROPOSALS ARE CAUSING PLENTY OF ANETY FOR BENEFICIARS AND PROVIDERS. WE LOOK AT THIS KEY STICKING POINT NOW WITH JOSH BAKER OF THE MEDICARE RIGS CENTER AND ADVOCACY GROUP ANDAIL WILL ENSKI A RMER ADMINISTRATOR OF THE FERAL MEDICARE PROGRA SHE IS NOW SENIOR FELLOW AT PROJECT HOPE. GAIL, ONE MAN'S OR ONEOMAN'S CUTS ARE ANOER'S SAVINGS. WHICH IS THIS?

>> BOTH. TO PRETENDHAT YOU CAN TAKE THE KIND OF MONEY OUOF MEDICARE ADVANTAGE TT IS BEING DISCUSD AND NOT IMPACT THE BENEFITS TT PEOPLE WHO ARE USED TO CEIVING THESE BENEFITS WL RECEIVE THAT IS JUST NOT FAIR TOHE SENIORS. WHAT WE DON'T KNOW IS ETHER WE'LL SEE THE KIND OF DISRUPTION WE W ALMOST A DECADE AGO WHEN THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTIOIN WHAT WAS THEN CALLED MEDIRE-PLUS CHCE. IN THAT CASE, 90000 SENIORS WHO D BEEN ENJOYING PLANS UND THEMSELVES WITHOUT THE PLANTHAT THEY HAD BEEN USED TO. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS REDUCTIOMIGHT PRODUCE, BUT AS THE CONGRESSIAL BUDGET OFFICEEAD INDICATED LASTl FRIDAY, THERE LL BE A REDUCTION IN BENEFITS FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE BE ON THESE PLANS.

>> Ifill: AT KINDS OF BENEFITS ARE WE TALKING OUT THAT THEY WOULDN'T GETNDER REGULAR MEDICA? WELL, REGULAR MEDICARE IS VERY SILOED ALTH CARE. YOU HAVE PHYCIANS AND HOSPITALS D DRUG BENEFITS. BUT THERE'S NO INTERACTION FOR MANY SENIORS WHOAVE MULTLE CHRONIC DISEASES, ONE OF THE IORTANT ADVANTAGES THAT MEDICARE VANTAGE HAS BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE IS DIASE MANAGEMENT AND COORDINATION AMONG THEIR PHYSICIA PARTICULARLY FOR PEOP WHO HAVE A LOT OF COLEX DISEASES PLUS THEY GET EXTRA BENEFITS FREQUENY LIKE DENTALR VISION. AND VERY LITTLE IN THE WAY O PREMIU. THESE E FOR THE MOST PART MINORITI AND/OR VERY LOW- INCOME BUT NOT QUITE LOW OUGH TO BE ON MEDICAID. THINK THE NUMBERS THATHE GOVERNMENT HAS P OUT IS THAT HALF OF THPEOPLE ON MEDICARE ADVANTAGE ARE WITH IOMES AT $20,000 ORESS ALSO SO THESE ARE RELAVELY LOW-INCOME SENIORS WHHAVE BEEN USED TO HAVING THESEXTRA BENEFITS.

>> Ifill: LET'S DRESS TWO OF THE THINGS SHEALKED ABOUT, JOE BAKER. THE IDEA OF CUTS VERSUS SAVINGS AND SPECICALLY THIS MEDICARE ADVANTAGE PROGR THAT WOULD BE TAETED IN THER PIECE OF LEGISLATION.

>> OF COSE. I INK... IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU CALL THEM, CUTS O SAVIS. IT'S DEFINITELMONEY BEING TAKEN OUT OF THE MEDICARE OGRAM BUT I THINK THERE'S AN UNTOLD STORY HERE. THAT IS THE MONEY THAT'SEING INVESTED BACK INTO T MEDICARE PGRAM AS WELL AS INTO HLTH INSURANCE AND HER PROGRAMS FOR PEOPLE UNDER AGE 65. ONE THE THINGS THAT BOTH BILLS DO, BOTH THE HOUSE A THE SENATE BILL, IFOR THE FIRSTIME WHATEVER SAVINGS THEY'RE TAKI ARE REINVESTED IN THE HLTH CARE SYSTEM AND SINCE SENIORS ARE DISPROPORTIONATE USE OF THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM BSTERING THE HEAL CARE SYSTEM IN WHATEVERAY I THINK WILL HELP THEM. WITH REGARD TO MEDICAR ADVANTAGE, I THI IT'S A VERY MIXED RECO WITH MEDICARE ADNTAGE. OR MEDICARE PLUS CHOICE OR MEDICARE H.M.O.s, WHEVER 'RE CALLING IT THIS YEAR. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE PGRAM WAS STARTED ORDER TO SAVE THGOVERNMENT AND SENIORS NEY. SO WORIGINALLY STARTED OUT PAYING 9 OF THE ORIGINAL MEDICARE GOVERNMENT-RUN PROGRAM COSTS TREAT SOMEONE. NOW WE'RE PAYING 1% OR 14% MORE. WE STILL HAVE A MIXED QUALY RECORD. WE STILL HAVE MANY PLANS TT CHARGE CONMERS MONEY, PREMIU THEMSELVES. D FOR CARE COORDINATION, A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING I REPORTS COMING OUT ITHAT QUALITY IS NO BETTER OR CERTAINLY NOT SIIFICANTLY BETTEROR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'RE SPDING. SO TRE'S A REAL HE CAN QUITY ARGUMENT. WHY ARE WE SPENDING THIS INCREDIBLE AMOUNT MONEY FOR A QUARTER OFHE MEDICARE POPULATION WHEN E OTHER THREE QUARTERS IS NOT GETTG THE SAME OSIMILAR TYPE OF SUBSIDY? WHAT THE SENATE PLAN WOU DO IS ENCOURAGE MEDICAL HOME MODEL ICH WOULD GET A LOT OF THAT SAME CARE COORDINATIO THAT H.O.s SUPPOSEDLY DO. ITOULD HAPPEN THROUGH DOCTORS' OFFICES DOCTORS OFFICEWOULD BE PAID MORE TO DO THAT. THE WONDERFUTHING IS IT WOULBE AVAILABLE TO MANY PEOPLE ON DICARE NOT JUST OSE WHO ARE IN A HEALTH PLAN AS IT MPS UP.

>> Ifill: T ME DIRECT THAT ESTION TO GAIL. HE'S TALKING AUT A TRADE-OFF HERE NOT ONLA TRADE-OFF WITHIN THE MEDICARE ADVANTE OGRAM BUT IN GENERAL, FOR INSTAN PRESCRIPTION DRUGS OR E-EXISTING CONDITIONS. THIN THAT PEOPLE IN THE MEDICARE PROGRAMOULD STILL BENET FROM EVEN IF THEY LOSE OTHER THINGS.

>> MOST OF THE BENEFIT OF HEALTHARE REFORM IS GOING FOR THE PELE WHO DON'T HAVE HETH INSURANCE. THAT'S IMPORTANT. WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WA TOO GET INSURANCE TO T 15% OF OUR PULATION THAT DOESN'T HAVE IT. AND MOST OF THOSINSURANCE RULES ARE NOGOING TO HELP THPEOPLE ON MEDICARE, THE PRE-EXISTING CONDITIS. THOSE ARE T MEDICARE ISSUES. SO MOST OF THESE SAVINGS, TH DICARE ADVANTAGE AND THE OTHER MEDICAREAVINGS, ARE GOG TO EXPAND COVERAGE. NOW THERE IS SOME HELP FOR SENIORS MAINLY GOING ITO HELP FILL WHAT'S CALLED THE DONUT HOLE TT SPACE WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE DRUCOVERAGE. NOW OF COURSE NY OF THE PEOPLE TT ARE ON THE MECARE ADVANTAGE HAVE THE VERAGE THROUGHOUT. ONE OF THE TNGS THAT WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL WH WE TALK ABOUT WHAT DTORS ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DONEITHER THE HOUSE NOR THE SENATE BILL ANYTHING TO FIX THE HUGE PRLEM WE FACE FOR PHYSICIANS UNDER MEDICARE AFTER 201 YSICIANS ARE GOING TO FACE A % REDUCTION IN FEES. NOW THHOUSE BILL DOESN'T TAKE THIS A. THE SENA BILL DOESN'T TAKE THIS ON. THAT'S $230 BILLION. IT IS A HUGE PROBLEM. 'S HARD TO PRETEND LIKE DOORS ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DMUCH OF ANYTHING IF WE DOT FIX THEIR BIG PROBLEM UNR MEDICARE.

>> Ifill: THOSE ARE OTR PARTICIPANTS WE TALK ABOUT BEFICIARIES AND HEALTH CE PROVIDERS IN TERMS HOSPITALS BUT WHAT ABOUPHYSICIANS? WOULD THEY SFER UNDER THESE KINDOF CUTS?

>> CERTAINLYNDER THE SENATE BILL GAIL CORRECT. I THINK THE HOUSE BILL DOES LOOK IN THE EARS AND T TO SCALE BACK SOME OF THESE PAYMENDECREASES TO PHYSICIANS A ALSO THERE ARE NUMBER OF PIECES IN THE HOUSE BILL THAT PRIDE BONUS PAYMENTSO PHYSICIANS FOR TAKI ON ADDITIONAL RESPSIBILITY. WHETHER IT'S EVALUATION AN NAGEMENT TYPE SERVICES WHICH ARE THE TYPE OSERVICE THAT INCLUDPREVENTIVE CARE AS WELL AS CODINATION OF CARE. I THINTHIS ESTABLISHMENT OF A MEDICAL HOME MODEL AS WE AS AN ACCOUNTABLE CARE ORGANIZATION, ANOTHER ACRONY COMING DOWN THE KE, THAT IS THERE TO HE DOCTORS PROVIDE THE COORDINATION AMONGST NUMBER OF PRIDERS THAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING ANTHAT THEY NEED TO BE PAID TO DO. YOU KNOW, THE A.M.A.ND OTHER PHYSICIAN GROUPS HAVE BE GENERAL SUPPORTI OF BOTH BILLS BECAUSE OF T ADDITIONAL PAYMENTTHAT CTORS WILL RECEIVE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN TH THERE WON'T BE FUTURE BATTS AROUND REBURSEMENT. NOT ON FOR PHYSICIANS BUT AS WELL FOR HOSPITALS A NURSING HOMES AND HOME HEALTH CA. BUT OVER ALL PHYSICIANARE MAKING OUT FAIRLY WELL AMOST THE PROVIDERS. >>fill: PARDON ME. GAIL, IN SPITE OF TH, MORE THAN HALF OF SENIORS IN TH MOST RECENT POS SAY THEY FEAR THAT ANY OF THESEEALTH RE REFORM PROGRAMS ARE GOING TO TAKE METHING AWAY FROM THEM. ARE THEYIGHT?

>> THEY'RE RIGHT TO BE CONCERNED. IT A LOT OF MONEY. THE ST TIME WE SAW A BIG ANGE IN TERMS OF MEDICARE PAYMENTS WAS AALANCED BUDGET ACT 1997. THERE WAS A DISRUPTION. THERE WAS A DISRUPTION TTHE HOSPITALS. IN FACT, SO MUCH THACONGRESS HAD TWO FOLLOW-ON GIVEACK BILLS WHERE TH PUT SOME MONEY BA INTO THE SYSTEM. THE BIGGEST NCERN THEY SHOULD IS WH THE CONGRESS MAKES CHANGES. THIS ICLEARLY ONE OF THE GGEST THEY'VE EVER CONTEMPLED. THE UNINTEND CONSEQUENCES E VERY HARD TO DISCERN TH'S MY CONCERN ABOUT MEDICARE ADVANTAGE IS T'S NOT TAKE T MONEY DOWN SO QUICKLY THAT YOU TOW A LOT PEOPLE OUT OF PLANS.

>> IfillJOE BAKER, ARE SENIORS RIGHT TO BE CONCERNE

>> WELL, I THINK WE ALYS NE TO BE CONCERNED AND INLVED. WE NEED BE PART OF THE BATE. SENIS ARE DEFINITELY OUT ERE. THAT'S AOOD THING. I THINK A COUPLE TNGS. AS GAIL SAID THIS IS GOINGO HAPPEN OVER TIME. THE MEDIRE ADVANTAGE SAVINGS THAT A INTENDED ARE GOING TO HAPPEN OVER A NUMBER OYEARS. THE SANGS TO HOSPITALS AND OTHER REBURSEMENT RATES ARE GOING TO HAPPEN OVER AUMBER OF YEARS. THERE'S ALWAYS TIMTO RATCHET BACK OR RECALIBRATE. I WOULD SAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BALANCED BUDGEACT BACK I'97 I THINK WE HAVE O IMPORTANT DIFFERENCES HERE IN THESE BILLS ONE IS THAT THE SAVINGS OR CUTS, THE MONEY FR THE CUTS IF WE WANT TO CALL IT THAT I ING TO BE REINVESTED IN THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEMS I SAID BEFORE NOT IDEFICIT REDUCTION. IT WON'T FLOW OUTSIDE TH HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. THAT'S IMPORTANT. I WOULD SAY SECONDLY TT KAISER FILY FOUNDATION STUDY SHOWS THAT THE BANCE BUDGET T CUTS IN '97 WERE ABOUT 12% OF BASINE MEDICARE SPENDING. THE SENATE BILL OKS LIKE 'S ABOUT 5%. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SMALLER OUNT OF SAVINGS THAN WE WERE IN 199 THAT MIGHT ALSO MEAN THAT CONGRESS DOESN'TAVE TO COME BACK AND CHANGE US. BUT IFT DOES IT CERTAINLY HAS THE OPPOUNITY TO DO SO , AS GAIL SAYS, THESE UNINTENDED CONSEENCES SHOW THEMSEES.

>> Ifill: THANK YOU BOTHERY MUCH.

>> Lehre YOU CAN SAMPLE HOW I

>> Lehrer:OU CAN SAMPLE HOW INSURED AMERICANS FEEL ABO THE COSTS OF HLTH CARE REFORM. READ A PATCHWORK NATIOBLOG ON OUR WEB SITE, nehour.pbs.org.

>> Lrer: NOW, CHICAGO GETS SOME BIGIME HELP IN ITS RACE FOTHE OLYMPICS. RAY SUAREZ HAS THE STO.

>> CHICAGO IS ADY. THE AMERICANEOPLE ARE READY. WANT THESE GAMES. WE WANT THEM.

>> Suarez: IN ITS EFFORT T WIN THE 2016 SUMMER MES, CHICO HAS CALLED IN A HEAVYWEIGHT WINDY TY RESIDENT: PRESIDENT OBAM EARLIER THIS MONTH, HE AED A LO-DISTANCE MESSAGE AT OLPIC ORGANIZERS.

>> IF U CHOOSE CHICAGO, I PROMISE YOU THIS. CHICAGO WILLAKE AMERICA PROUD, AND AMERI WILL MAKE THE WORLD PROUD.

>> Suarez: NOW THE PRESIDE AND FIRST LADY WILL RSONALLY COAX MEMBERS OF THE INTERNATNAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEE IN COPHAGEN THIS EK AS FRIDAY'S FINAL VOTE APPRCHES. ALONG WITH CCAGO, THE COMMITTEE IS CONSIDERING RIO BRAZIL, MADRID, AIN SPAIN, AND TOKYO, JAPAN AS HOST CITIES. ♪ IT'MY KIND OF TOWN ♪ CHICAGO IS ♪

>> Srez: IF CHICAGO WINS, IT WILL BTHE FIRST AMERIC CITY TO HOST THE SMER GAMES SINCE ATLAA IN 1996. CHICAGO HAS RKED HARD TO POLISH ITS IMAGE AND SHOW F THROUGH ADS LIKE THIS. SHOWING E POTENTIAL BENEFITS OF HOSTING THE GES. WINNING THE GAMES IS ME THAN JU A BOOST TO NATIONAL PRIDE.

>> MOST IMPORTANTLY E YMPIC AND PARA-OLYMPIC GAMES WOULD BE AUGE BOOST TO OUR ECONOMY RAISING IT TO NEW LEVEL. THEY WOULD HELP RECOVER SOONERROM THE RECESSION. >>HE GAMES OF THE 30th OLYMPIAD IN 2012 AREWARDED TO THE CY OF LONDON. ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

>> Suarez: FOUYEARS AGO THE UNITED KINGDOM CELEBRATEA TLY CONTESTED VICTORY OVER FRCE TO HOST THE 2012 GAMES. IT TOOK A PERSONAL BID FM PRIN... PRIME MINISTERONY BLAIR AT THE LAST MINUTE TO IT. SINCE THEN LONDON HASEEN A BUILDING BOOM IN AICIPATION OF THE NEXT SUMMER GAMES AND WHLONDON IS ENJOYING A BOOM AT THE MOMENT, SOME CITIES HAVE HAD LESS FORNATE EXPERIENCE S WITH THE OLYMPICS. IT TOOK MONTREAL 30 YES TO PAY ITS OLYMPIBILLS. AND ATHENS IS STILL REELIN FR COST OVERRUNS IN 2004. RORT BODY IS PROFESSOR OF ONOMICS AT LAKE FOREST COLLEGE AND PRESIDENOF THE INTERNIONAL ASSOCIATION OF SPORTS KMIFS. HE'S WRITTEN WIDY ON THE IMPACT OF E OLYMPICS AND OTHER SPTING EVENTS AND JOS US THIS EVENING FROM CHICAGO. WELL, PROFESSOR, IS BRINGINGELEBRITY FIRE POWER TO A BIDNE OF THE WAYS CITIES CAN LEGIMATELY COMPETE NOW THAT T I.O.C. HAS CHANGED S SELECTION PROCEDURES IN THE WAKE O SCANLS IN THE '90s?

>> YES. I THINK THE INTERACTION ALLY BETWEEI.O.C. MEMBERS AND THOSE WHO ARE BOOSTERS F THE GAMES AND HO CITIES, THAT CONTACT IS VERY LIMID AT TH POINT. ASOU NOTED, IT'S A RESULT OF WHAT HAPPENEWITH THE SALT LAKE WINTER OLYMC GAMES. SOEADS OF STATE WILL HAVE SOME CONTACT BUT THEY'VE G A RY, VERY SHORT OR SMALL WINDOW TO MEET WH I.O.C. PRESENTATIVES TO MAKE THEI PERSONAL BIDS. THE CONTACT IS LIMITED BUT THERE IS SOME CONTACT FOR ROUGY 12 HOURS, 10 TO 12 HOURS. SO IT MAY BE THAT THEYE ABLE, AS I NOTED BEFORE, TO SWAY A FEW VOTES. Suarez: HOW MUCH DOES GEOGRAPHY AND GEO LITICS MATTER IN THE SELECTION PROCESS? TOKYO HAS BEENN OLYMPIC CITY IN THE PAST, BUT THE'S NEVER BEEN AAMES IN LATIN AMERICA OR AFRICA AND RIO IS SEEAS A SENTIMENTAL FAVORITE BY SO.

>> A I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. I THINRIO IS A SENTIMENTAL FAVORITE. I INK THAT IT MAY BE TIME FOTHE AMERICAS TO GET THE OLYMPICSGAIN. ONE OF THEHINGS WORKING AGAINST, I THINK, TOO IS THE FA THAT BEIJING HAD THE MES IN 2008. ONE THE THINGS WORKING AGAINST DRID IS IS THE FACT THAT LONDON WILL HOST E GAMES IN 2012. I THINK IF YOUEALLY WANTED TOANDICAP THIS, I THINK IT'S BETWEEN RIO AND CHICO.

>> Suarez: HOW DOES CHAGO PROPOSE TOAY FOR ITS OLYMPIC BID? IS THERE A LOT OF PUBLIC MON INVOED IN PUTTING ON THIS PLANNED 2016 GES?

>> NO. I THINK AT IT'S TYPICAL FOR THE AMERICANIDS FOR THE MES TO BE FINANCED PRIVATELY WHETHER OR NOT THACAN ACTUALLY HAPPEN THIS PARTICULAR CASE I INK WE'RE ALL WAITING SEE. BUT THE GAMES FOR CHICAGHAVE BEEN ADVERTISED PRIVATELY FINANCED GAMES. BUT DOUBTEDLY GIVEN THE HISTOROF COST OVERRUNS, GIVEN SOME EXAGGERATION OF WHAT IT IS THAT OCCURSN THE WAY BENEFIT, IT'S LIKELY TO BE THE CASE THAT THE COSTS WILLUTSTRIP REVENUES AND PUBLIC FINANCING OF ME SORT WILL UNDOUBTED OCCUR.

>> Suaz: WHILE IT'S EASY TO COT THE LOSSES, IS IT SOMETIMEHARDER TO COUNT THE BENEFITS? BARCELONA SEEMS ETTY PLEASED THAT THE GAMESUT THAT CITY A WORLDWIDE MAP. MIT CHICAGO ACCRUE BENEFITS THAT HAVE MORE TO DO WITH MAKING PEOPLE AROU THE WORLD AWARE ITS EXISTENCE?

>> I THI THAT'S THE HOPE. I THINK THAT BARCELONA, I THINK, HAD A BRILLNT PLAN. I THINK THAT THEY DEVEPED A STRATEGY THAT RELY INVOLVED REMAKING THE CITY. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS TH ICAGO HAS-- AND I'M NOT PROPOSING THATHICAGO SPEND A LOT MORE MONEY-- BUT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THACHICAGO HAS HAD IS THE AMOT OF MONEY THAT THEY INTENDO SPEND IS MODEST COMPAD TO WHAT IT IS THAT WE'VEEEN IN OTHER OLYMC GAMES. WHH MEANS THE CHANCE THAT CHICAGO REALLY GOING TO BE AB TO PRESENT ITSELF IN THE WAY THAT BARCELONA DID TTHE REST OF THE WORLIS NOT KELY.

>> Suarez: PROFESSORIN SOME OF YOUR PUBLISHESCHOLARSHIP ON THIS TOPIC, YOU'VNOTED THAT THE EXCITEMENT OF GETTI THE OLYMPICS SOMETIMESLINDS CITIES TO THE REAL RK OF DOWNSIDE COS. WHAT'S THEECORD HERE? HAVE CIES THAT HAVE BEEN SELECTED GENERALLY OR TIME DONE WELL WITH TIR OLYMPIC LEGACY?

>> THE AWER IS NO. I THINK THAT AIN WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE SIZOF THE EXNDITURE AND YOU CONSIDER WHETHEA CITY CAN SUSTAIN THE KIND OF SPIKIN ECONOMIC ACTIVITY THAT YET EN THEY HAVEHIS INFLUX OF VISITORS IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY. THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING RY UNUSUAL THAT HAPPENS THAT ALLOWSOR SOMETHING IN THE WAY OF AN ECONOMIC LEGACY. CHICAGO S A BIT OF AN OPPORTUNITY HERE BECAU CHICAGO GETS RELIVELY FEW FOREIGN VISITORS COMPARED TO, LET'S SAY, A CITY LIKEEW YORK OR A TY LIKE PARIS OR LONDON. I THINK ICAGO GETS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN MILLION FOREIGN SITORS A HERE. NEW YORKY CONTRAST MORE THAN NI MILLION. LONDON PARIS MORE THAN 1 LLION. SO THERE'SN OPPORTUNITY FOR CHICAGO HERE BUT WHETHEIT CAN PROVIDE ENOUGH IN THE WAY OF A MEMORABLE EXPERIENCE TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COMEACK ISHE REAL QUESTION. IT'S NOT CREATING SPORTS VENUESFOR EXAMPL THAT WILL CREATE THE LEGACY. BUT SOMETHING IN THEAY OF TRANSPORTATI OR COMMUNICATIONS INFRASTCTURE AT IS KEY REALLY TO HAVING SOME LASTINGFFECT FROM THE OLYMPIC GAMES.

>> Suarez: PROFESSOROBERT BODY JOINS US FR CHICAGO. THANKSOR TALKING TO US.

>> YOU'RE VERY WELCOME, RAY. CE TO BE WITH YOU.

>> Lehrer: NT TONIGHT, AN UPDATE OF E PRESIDENT'S PROMISE TO SHUDOWN THE GUANTANA BAY PRISON. MAARET WARNER BEGINS WITH SOME BACKGROUND.

>> Warner: IWAS A PROMISE PRESIDENT OBA CAMPAIGNED ON. TO CLOSE THE DETENTION CENTE AT THE U.S. VAL BASE IN GUANTANAMO BAYCUBA. AND ON HIS SECD FULL DAY IN OFFICE, MR. OBAMA SIED AN EXECUTIVE ORDER TOAKE GOOD ON THE PLEDG

>> GUANTANAMO WILL BCLOSED LATER THAONE YEAR FROM NOW.

>> Wner: BUT IT'S PROVEN HARDER THAN EXPECTED TSTICK TO THATIMETABLE.

>> IT'S GOG TO BE TOUGH.

>> Warner: YESTERDAY DEFENSE SECRETARY GAS CONCEDED THE DEADLINE MAYLIP.

>> I WAS ONEF THOSE WHO ARGUED F A FIRM DEADLINE BECAUSI SAID THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU MOVE THE BUREAUCRA IN WASHINGN. IF YOU HAVE TO EXTEND TH DATE, IF AT AST YOU HAVE A STRO PLAN SHOWING YOU'RE MAKING PROGRESS IN THAT RECTION, THEN IT SHOULDN'T BE AROBLEM TO EXTEND IT. WE'LL JUST SEE WHETHER TT HAS TO HAPPEN OR NOT

>> Warner: TODAY WHITEOUSE SPOKESMAN ROBERT GIB SAID THE ADMINISTRATION ISTILL WORKING HARD TO CLOSE E BASE.

>> WE'RE NOT FOCUSED O WHETHER OR NOT T DEADLINE WILL OR WON'T MET ON A PARTICULAR D. OBVIOUSLY WE'VSTILL GOT WORK DO. WORK THAT'S PROGREING. IN REFORMING MILITARY COMMSIONS. AND INOCATING A PERMANENT DETENTION FACILITYOR THOSE THAT WLD REMAIN.8w

>> Warner:LL TOLLED, SOME 800 TERROR SUSPES CAPTURED OVERSEAS HE BEEN HELD AT THE GUANTAMO FACILITY SINCE 2002. THERE WERE 240 DETAINE IN JANUARY WHEN MR.BAMA TOOK OFFI. SINCE TH 17 MORE HAVE BEEN LEASED INCLUDINGHREE SENT TOEMEN AND IRELAND THIS PAST WEEKEND. DOZENS ME ARE BELIEVED TO HAVE BN APPROVED FOR RELEASE AND RESETTLEMENT. BUIT'S BEEN HARD TO FIND COUNTRIES WILLING TAKE TH. IN CONGRESS THE'S BEEN OPPOSITION TO RESETTLINGHOSE DETAINEES ON T U.S. MAINLAND. OR TRANSFEING OTHERS TO PRONS HERE. ON SUNDAY DECRATIC SENATOR DIAN FEINSTEIN OF CALIFORNIA DETED THE ISSUE WITH REPUBLAN KIT BOND OF MISSOURI.

>> I KNOW THAT THERE ARE MAXIMUM SECURITY PRISONS FRO WHICH ONE ESCAPES IN THE UNITED STATES. WHICH ARISOLATED FROM NEIGHBORHOODS.

>> WE DON'T WANT TO PUT THEM INUR GENERAL PRISON POPULATIONHERE THEY HAVE AND WILL RADICALIZE OTHER PRISONERS.

>> Warner: OFFICIALS SAY BETWEEN AND 60 OF THE DETAINEES COULBE PROSECUTED IN EITHER MITARY OR FEDERAL CRIMIN COURT. THIS GROUP INCLUDES HAMMED, THE ACCUSED 9/11 MASTEMIND D FOUR ALLEGED FOLLOWERS. WHY IS CLOSING GUAANAMO SO DIFFICT? HERE TO EXPLAIN FURTHER E EVAN PEREZ, JUSTI DEPARTMENT CORRESPONDENT FOR THE "WAL STREET JOUAL." AND DAFNA LINZER, NIOR REPORTER FOR PROPUICA, AN INDEPENDT NONPROFIT NEWS WEB SITE THAFEATURES ORIGINAL AND INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING. GIING WITH YOU, WHAT HAS GONE AWRY WITH THE PSIDENT'S PLAN TO CLOSE GUANTANAMO BY NEXT JANUARY?

>> I THINK THERE'S BN A FEW THINGS. ONE IS THE CONCEPT OF A PL. THAT HASN'JUST HAPPENED. IT HASN'T BEENUT FORWARD AT ALL WHICH WAS ONE OF T THIN THAT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, BOTH DEMOCTS AND REBLICANS WERE SO UPSET ABOUT IN MAY WHETHEY CUT OFF FUING FOR MOVING ANY TAINEES ON TO U.S. SOIL. I THINK ANOTHER THING WAS AT THERWAS NO ONE SINGLE PERSON PUT IN CHARGE INN ADMINISTTION FULL OF CZARS AND SPECL ENVOYS THERE WA'T ONE LEADING FIGURE TO OVERSEE ALL THE DIFFENT COMPONENTS OCLOSING GAUN TON MOW,VERSEEING WHAT WAS GOING ON IN CONGRE, REPORTING ON E PROGRESS OF THE TASK FORCES INSE THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT A SORT OF HOLDING IT AOGETHER. I THINK TH THOSE TWO THINGS WERE PROBLEMATIC. COURSE THE DEADLINE WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION BELIEVED ASE JUST HEARD SRETARY GATES SAY WAS GOOD IDEA AND TH IT GOT PEOPLE MOVINBUT WITHOUT THAT INITIAL PLAIN PLACE, A T OF THE PEOPLE INSIDE THE ADMINISTRATION WORKINGN THE ISSUE WEREUST KIND OF LEFT LOOKING AT THE CCK AND WORRYING ABOUT THE TIME.

>> Wner: WHAT WOULD YOU ADD TO THAT, EVAN? WELL, YOU KNOW, THE ADMINISTRATIONLEARLY MADE SEVERAL MISCALCULATIONS. THE PRESIDENT EW THAT THE FORMER PSIDENT BUSH AND EVEN HIS OPPONENT IN THE NOVEMB ELECTION JOHN McIN BOTH SAID THAT THEY THOUGHT E PRISON SHOULD BE CLOSED. THEY MADE THCALCULATION THAT THE WOULDN'T BE OPPOSITION NECESSARILY FOR IT. IN ADDITION THE PRIDENT DECIDED AND THE WHITE USE DECIDED AT THEY DIDN'T WANT SPEND THE POLITICAL CAPITAL ON THIS. THEY HAD LEGLATIVE PRIORITIES INCLUDING HEALT CARE AND ENERGY ANSO ON THAT THEY WTED TO DEDICATE TO. THEY DIDN'T WANT ANYTHIN DRAWING ATTENTION AWAY FM THOSE ISSUES. IN THE END THEY DECIDED NOT TO... TO GQUIETLY ON THIS ISSUE.

>> Warner: YOU MEAN THEY DIDN'T..DID THEY FAIL TO ANTIPATE THE OPPOSITION THAT WOULD ERUPT ON CAPITOLILL?

>> IT LOOKLIKE THEY REALLY SCALCULATED ON HOW MUCH THERE WOULD BE. R EXAMPLE, SOME PEOPLE IN CONGRESS, SOME MEMBERS O CONGRESS WHO HAVRAISED THE ISSUE THAT TERRORIS COULD BE COMING TO NEIGHBORHOOD NEA YOU ANIF SOMEONE IS WALKING AROUND ANDEES A WOMAN WITH A SHORT SHVE SHIRT MAYBE THEY MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, BE DRIN TO VIOLENCE. TH'S SOMETHING THAT THEY DIDN'TEALLY CALCULATE WOULD HAEN.

>> Warner: SO, DAFNA, HOW CONSTRAINED IS T ADMISTRATION RIGHT NOW? FOR INSTANCE, YOU HEARD BERT GIBBSAY, WELL, THEY'RE STILL LOOKING FOR A DENTION FACILITY IN THE S. WHERE THEY CAN MOVE THE PRONERS TH THEY'VE DECIDED ARE TOO DANGEROUS TO BE RELEASEDR ARE AWAITI TRIAL. CAN THE ADMINISTRATION DTHAT WITHOUT CONGRESSIONAAPPROVAL, FOEXAMPLE?

>> I THINK IT'S GOING BE TOUGH. I MEAN, CAN THEY LEGALLY DO IT? SURE, THEY CAN LEGALLYOVE PEOPLE. I THINTHE QUESTION RIGHT NOW IS, YOU KNOW, POLICALLY WHAT CAN THEY DO? AND THEYO HAVE A PROBLEM. I INK IT'S TELLING THAT DIANNE FEITEIN WAS SO VOCAL ON IMAGINING THAT THERE COD BE SUP MAX FACILITIES WHERE THESE DETAINEES COD DO. I THINK KIT BOND W EQUALLY VOCAL. I INK THE FACT THAT SO MANY DEMOCRATS JOED WITH REPUBLICS IN PREVENTING THE ADMINISTRATIONROM MOVING ANYBODY ON TO S. SOIL MEANS THAT REALLY WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS UP AGAIN IS POLITICAL OPPITION. THLEGAL IMPEDIMENTS ARE NOT REALLY THERE, BUTHEY DENITELY NEED CONGRESSIONAL BUY-IN. TH NEED TO START SPENDING SOME TIME GETTING THAT.

>> Warne EVAN PEREZ, THE WHITE HOUSE SAYS THAT ALSONE REASON THAT THE ADMINIRATION IS HAVING TROUBLE DECIDING WHAT TO DOITH A LOT OF THESE DETAEES IS THAT THE RECORDS IN THE FILES WERE NOT INREAT SHE. THIS H PROVED MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TH THEY THOUGHT. IS THAT THE CASE AND ISO WHY?

>> TRE WERE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THE WAY THE CASES WERE PUT TOGETHER. YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THEUSH ADNISTRATION NEVER CONTEMPLATED PUTTING MT OF THESE PEOPLE ON TRIAL IN CRIMINAL COURTS. THEY HAD SETP THIS SYSTEM OF MILITARY COMMISSIO AND NEVER ENVISIONED THAT THESE OPLE WEREOING TO COME INTO CRIMINAL COURT YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT STDARDS. ANCERTAINLY IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THEM IN A CRIMINAL COURT, YOU NEED A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SET OF FTS AND YOU NEEDO HAVE THE FILES IN A CERTAIN WAY BE ABLE TO PREPE FOR TRIAL. THAT WASN'T DONE.

>> Warner: AND, DAFNA, WHY IS IT PROVING... THAT WHY IT'S PROVG DIFFICULT OR AT LEAST THE ADMINISTRATION HAST SO R DECIDED WHETHER EVEN SOM OF TSE, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SA KNOWN TERRORISTS LIKE KHID SHEIK MOHAMMED, THEY HAVEOT NOT DECIDED WHETHER TO TRY THEM IN A MITARY COURT OR A FEDERAL CMINAL COURT? I AGREE WITH EVAN, I THINK SO I THINK THE SUES OF THE FILES WERE THE RESULT OFHE FACT THAT THE EVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONTHE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, SN'T PLANNING ON OSECUTORING ANYBODY IN A FEDAL COURT. YOU KNOW, TH SAID, THE OBAMA ADMISTRATION WENT AHEAD WITH SETTING A DELINE BEFORE LOOKINAT ITS FILES. I THINK IN RETSPECT THERE'S BEENOME SOUL SEARCHING AND SOME THINKING OF MAYBE W SHOULD HAVE HAA BETTER SENSE OF WHAT OSE FILES LOOKED LIKE BEFORE SETTING A ONE-AR DEADLINE. TH'RE NOW IN A POSITION WHERE TH'VE BEEN GOING THUGH THESE FILES FOR SO MANY MTHS AND ARE STILL NOT SURE EVEN THOSE TOP FOUR 9/11 CONSPIRACS WHERE THE BEST VENUE WILL BE FOR CHARGING THEM.

>> Warner: FINAL, EVAN, THERE'S ANOTHER WHOLE CAGORY OFRISONERS THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA ME FORWARD IN MAY AND RPRISINGLY AT LEAST TO HIS BASE ON THE LEFT SD THEY MIGHHAVE TO BE DETAINED INDEFINITELY. RIGHT. THEY H ALREADY BEEN SHOPPING THIS IDEA ON CAPITOL HL TO ME REPUBLICAN MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO THEY THOUGHT WOULD BE SEARCH TONIT I CAN TO THE VIEW AND ALSO SOME DEMOCRATS. THEY FOUND THE ISSUE WENT NOWHE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE DECRATS.

>> Warner:HE VIEW WAS WHAT? THESE DETAINEES ARE TOO DANGEROUS?

>> DOO DGEROUS TO RELEASE.

>> Warner: BUT YOU CAN'TUT ON TRIAL.

>> THEY MAY NEVER PUT ON TRIAL IN SOME SES BECAUSE THE EVIDENCE THEAY IT WAS COLLECD THERE WERE HARSH INTERROGATION METHODS USED. THERE'S ALL KIS OF REASONS WHY SOME MAY N BE ABLE TO BE T ON TRIAL. AND SOME, EVEN IF U PUT THEM TRIAL, AND LET'S SAY THEY ARE NOT CONVICTED THE GOVERNMENT MIGHT DECIDWE STILL N'T WANT TO RELEASE THEM. THIS PLAN WAS GENERATED SENTIALLY TO COME UP WITH A WAY, A NEW JUDIAL SYSTEM TO BE ABLTO KEEP THEM INDEFINITELY DETAINED. NOW THE PRESENT SAID THAT WE DON'T RELY NEED THIS NEW SYSTEM. WE HE THE AUTHORITY ALREADY IN THE DECLARATION THAT CONGRESS ME TO AUTHORIZE MILITARY FORCE AFTER T 9/11 ATCKS SNEEB AND SO, DAFNA, GOG BACK TO SOME DETAINEES WHO THCOURTS ORDERED LEASED OR THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATI IN ITS OWN REVIEWRDERED RELEASED BUT THEY'LL AFRAID THEY'LL B PERSECUTED IN THEIR HO COUNTRIES. IS THE ADMINISTRATN DOWN TO BASILLY HOPING THAT THEY CAN JU PERSUADE MORE OTHER NATIONS TO TAKE THEM? >>IGHT. YOU E THEY HAVE A LOT OF BALLS IN THE AIROR THE NEXT FOUR MONTH YOU KNOW, THE DIPLOMACY AT TH MUST NOW PUSH FORWARD, TOO,AS PROVEN TRICKY. JUST AS ALL THE OTHER COMPONENTS OF THIS PCESS HAVEROVEN TO BE. PARTICULARLYS IS THE CASE OF 90 DETAINEES FROM YEME THE OBAMA ADMISTRATION HAS A POT PERSON JUST DEALING WITH TH ISSUE WHICH IS JOHN BRENNAN WHO ISBAMA'S UNTERTERRORISM ADVISORS, JUST DEALI WITH SAUDI ARABIA AND YEMEN ON THIS ISE IT'S VERY DFICULT FOR THEM TO, A, TRY D FIND PLACES FOR THOSE THEY'RE WILLING TO RELEASEO GO, PLACES INSIDTHE UNITED STATES THOLD DETAINEES THEY DON'T WANT TO REASE AT ALL, PLAC AND VENUES TO PROSECUTE PEOPLE EHER THROUGH MILITARY COMMISONS OR IN FEDERAL COURT. IN THE LAST EIGHT MONTHS THEY'VE BEEN REALLSTRUGGLING, YOU KN, TRYING VERY HARD CLEARLY FROM EVERYE WE'VE SPOKEN TO INSIDE THE ADMINIRATION BUT STRUGGLING WITH A LOTF DIFFERENT AVENUES TORY AND RESOLVE IS ISSUE.

>> Warr: SO I GUESS SECRETARY GATES S UNDERSTATING WHEN HEAID YESTDAY IT WILL BE TOUGH. DAFNA LINZ AND EVAN PEREZ, THANK YOU SO MUC

>> THANK Y.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Lehrer: ANDINALLY TONIGHT, REMEMBERING WILLIASAFIRE, A MAOF WORDS AND PUNDITRY. JEFFREY BROWN REPORTS.

>> Brown: FOMORE THAN 30 YEARS WILLIASAFIRE SENT FORTH WIT, BARBS AND MUCH MO FROM HIS INFENTIAL PER MUCH AS A CONRVATIVE COLUMNIST FOTHE "NEW YORK TIMES". BEGAN HIS CAREER IN PUBLIC RELATIONS AND BECAME A SPEH WRITER FOR RHARD NIXON BEFORE COMING TO THEIMES WHE HE WON A PULITZER PRIZE ANTOOK DELIGHT IN HIS CONTRARIAN ROLE.

>> I GET A L OF MAIL NOW, A LOT OFMAIL NOW, FROM PEOPLE SANG HOW COME YOU'RE AT THE "NEW YORK TIMES," YOU STICK OUT LIKE AORE THUMB. LL, I WAS HIRED TO BE THE SORE THU. I'M DELIGHTED TOE GOING AGAINST THE GRAIN. IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU'RE A LMON SWIMMING UTREAM F THE STREAM STREAM IS GOING FASTNOUGH EVENF YOU'RE ONLY STANDING STILL U GET THE FEELING YOU'RE REALLY GOING ST.

>> BOTH PARTS ARE NOW RUNNING AINST THE OTHER SIDE.

>> BrownOVER THE YEARS SAFI WAS A REGULAR TELEVISION PRESENCE INCLING ON THE NEWSHR AND "MEET THE PRESS. ALSO GAINED A DEVOTED FOLLOWING FOR HIS "ON LANGUAGE" COLUMN IN E "NEW YORK TIM" MAGAZINE WHICH LOOKED AT VARIS USES AND ABUSESF WORDS. HE AUTHORED MOREHAN A DOZEN BOOKS INCLUDING NOVELSND WORKS ON POLITICAND LAUAGE. ( APPLAUSE ) IN 2006 SAFIREAS AWARDED THE PRIDENTIAL MEDAL OF FREEDOM BY PRESIDENT BUSH. WITH ME NOW IS MARTY TOLL-CH. HE SPENT 40 YES AT THE NEW YORK TIMES AND HELD CREATE TH THE HILL NEWSPAPER AND POLITICO. WELCOME TO YOU.

>> GOOD TO BHERE.

>> Brown: MR. SAFIRE MADE AT WHAT WAS THEN AN UNUSUAL TRANSITION, RIGHT, FROTHE WHITE USE TO THAT COLUMN.

>> HE DI HEAS GREETED WITH GREAT SUSPICION AND SOME HTILITY BY THEEMBERS OF THE WASHINGTONUREAU OF THE "NEW YORK TIMES". FOSEVERAL REASONS. FIRST OF ALL, IT WAS APRILF 1973. NIXON WAS T THE MOST POPULAR PERSON IN THE BUREAU OTHE "NEW YORK TIMES". BILLAS REGARDED AS A MERE KNICKS NIXON SLACK. ALMOST EVERY MEMBER THE SHINGTON BUREAU THOUGHT IF THERE ULD BE ANOTHER MEMBER OF THEASHINGTON BUREAU, IT SHLD BE THEM.

>> Brown: NOT SOMEONE FROMHE NIXON WHITE HOUS

>> EXACTLY. IN TIME,F COURSE, THEY ACPTED HIM. THE ACTUAL TURNG MOMENT WAS AT A TIMES BURU PARTY WHEN E SON, THE YOUNG SON OF A REPORT, JIM NORTON, FELL IN THE SWIMMING POOL. BILL DOVE IN FULLYLOTHED AND RESCUETHE CHILD. FROM THAMOMENT ON, BILL WAS ACCEPTED.

>> BrownTHAT WON HIM OVER AT A PERSONAL LEVEL WHAT ABOUTS A COLUMNIST? WHAT WERE THE KEYS TO S SUCCESS D THE INFLUENCE THAT HE GAINE

>> I THINK THERE AREEVERAL. E IS BILL KNEW HOW TO THROW A PUNCH. AS WE L KNOW. BUT HIS AL STOCK AND TRADE WAS WI AND HUMOR AND A LIGHT TOUCH. WHEN HE CALLED HLARY CLINTON A CONGENITAL LIAR.

>> Brown: FAMOUSLY.

>> AND PRESIDENT CNTON RESPONDED BY SAYING IF HE WE NOT PRESIDENT HEOULD DELIVER A BLOW TO THE CROWN OFILL'S NOSE, BILL'S RESPONSE WATHAT HE WASEALLY PLEASED THAT THE PRESIDENT HAD RRECTLY USED THE SUB NK TIFF TENSE. AND THAT IS BILL HE WAS AN ICONO CHRAFT. WHEN YOU PICKED HIS COLUMN YOU NEVER REAL KNEW WHAT TO EXPECT. HE WAS A CONSERVATIVE THE TRUEST SENSE OTHE WORD I THINK BEUSE HE BELIEVED IN MINIMAL GOVERNMENT INCLUDI MINIMAL INTRIONS IN CIVIL LIBERTIES.

>> Bwn: HE CALLED HIMSELF A LIBERTARIAN CONSERVATI WHICH MEANT HE WOULD SOMETIMESAKE ON PEOPLE IN THE REPUBCAN PARTY.

>> EXACTLY. HERITICIZED THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION F THEIR TREATMENT OF PRISONERS, R THEIR SUSPENSION OF HABEAS COUS. HE DID NOTELIEVE THAT GOVERNMENT BELONGEIN THE BEOOM. HE DIDOT BELIEVE THAT GOVEMENT BELONGED IN SCHOOLS AS FAR AS SCHOOL PRAYEWAS CONCERNED. HE WAS A TRUE LIBERTARIA BELIEVED IN MINIMAL GOVERNMENT. HE HAD GRE CONFIDENCE IN THE ABILITOF PEOPLE TO RUN THEIR OWN LIVES WITHOUGREAT ASSISTANCE FM THE GOVERNMENT.

>> Brown: AT ABOUT THE OTHER WELL KNOWN SIDE OF SAFIR THE MAN WHWROTE THE "ON LANGUAGECOLUMN, WHO ENDLESSLY GAVE THOSE FOUS PHRASES AND THEN INTEREST R YEARS AND YEARIN WORDS AND LANGUAGE WHERE DITHAT COME FROM?

>> HE S IN LOVE WITH LANGUAGE AS HE WASN LOVE WITH POLICS. YOU KNOW, DROPPED OUT OF SYRACUSE ACTLLY TO GO WRITE A COLUMN FOR THE NEW YORK HERALD TRINE, SOMETHING THAT MY BDIES OVER AT "NEW YORK TIMES" DID NOT KNOW WHEN HE CAME TO THE TIMES. HE HAD ALREADY BEEN A COLUMNIST ALTHOUGH A GST COMNIST. BILL, WHEN WWERE... I'VE KNOWN LL SINCE WE WERE KIDS. WE WERE 14 YEARS OLD REALL WHEN WE MET. WE LIVED IN THE SAME APAMENT HOTEL ON THE WEST SIDEF MANHATTAN BECAUSE OUR DA HAD BOTH DIED AND OUR MOMS WERE WORKIN WE WOULD ENTERTAIN OURSEES BYISTRIBUTING POLITICAL BUTTONS. WEEALLY DIDN'T CARE WHO THE CANDIDATES WEROR WHAT PARTY THEY BELONGED TO. ERE WAS A BROTHEL ACROSS THE STREET FROM OUR APARTMENT HOUSE. WE DISIBUTED SOME OF THOSE BUTTONS TO LADIES OF THE EVENING WHO RE THEM, I ASSUME.... >>rown: GOOD TRAINING R POLICS OR WHATEVER. >>IGHT. BUT HE'S ALWAYS EN IN LOVE WITH LANGUAGE. HE'S ALSO BEENN EXTREMELY GENEROUS FRIEND. YOU KNOW, YOU NEVER HAD ASK BILL SAFIRE FOR HELP. IF YOU HAD A BOOK COMI OUT AND YOU WERE A MEMBER OF THE WASHINGTON BUREAOR A FRIEND OF HIS, HE WOULDN'T Y YTHING BUT YOU'D OPEN UP AIN... AGAIN, YOU'D OPEN UP HIS LUMN ONE DAY OR THE WORD COLUMN IN E MAGAZINE. THERE WOULD BE A REFERCE TO YOUR BOOK.

>> Brown: WELL THAT'GREAT. RTY TOLLCHIN ON THE LIFE AND TIMES OF WILLIAM SAFIRE. THK YOU SO MUCH.

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