Public Broadcast Laboratory; 205; The Generation Gap

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yeah there is the bureau chief correspondent in review board that's what is with the kids home for the holidays have you had some meaningful talks across the generation gap the be all tried to measure this gap i was tricked by stereotypes suburban mother thought pot and sex with the main campus they actually today students perhaps more than any generation before them are far more concerned than promise and some elders it turns out are far less likely than many young cynics that bpl they built and discovered this in a confrontation with a highly articulate group at the university of wisconsin blocked our students were invited but didn't come and i discovered it in a phone interview and california with one of the world's leading industrialists edgar at night we decided to link the fruits of our labor is as a means of interesting parents a

serious sons and daughters they don't really know and by force if it proves nothing else this exercise shows how misleading generalization can be the generation gap is for cover the current one is singular because the bridges across it however few and travel are leading to more change than society suspects let's begin with a conversation between beethoven and wisconsin students at maps the generation that grew up in the thirties forties and what they want with security they were part of the war there were part of the question what we're finding is that were there that he can't just go back into a suburb and sit down and enjoy a cocktail at the guiding light on him command wars in vietnam and the demonstration of them and that younger generation thing that you have enough now want to stand back and take a look at what the other important thing that like an awkward and you don't have to worry about the state's tribes that you didn't

malcolm x once that generation and once it's those that are of the gap between the us and those who act again the war and the administration by poverty they're young girl fell far chronologically and vive and the opposite of the owner of the catering our own growth are young they are i think that it's reached the point now where there are many things in this society that we have a younger generation feel need chain ok for many people tried and even in the university you cannot become member committee or you can do this you can do that you get in the canadian your outvoted by the faculty members and you get into the committee and you speak your mind and nothing ever happens now i think they're a lot of things that really an actor you beat your head against a brick wall for a certain amount of time you get tired of that and you try another point of access for this change and i think that this is what

happened probably because the problem that affects you know are not private one and the reason that you know everybody is striking on the real cost of the generation gap because our most of the yard problems that another point that should be that should be made it really made no that was really what was going to really go really the question though of our impact the impact of individual and i think it's on the campus of the year six years and i've seen increasingly over a number of years and others especially on the part of your politically on the campaign at night and i'm at the conclusion of confusion with the right

to attempt in which obviously the right the right to be heard above the right to attempt to persuade others of the record your viewpoint a computer that with something that for lack of that were my color right to prevail and other than if it runs a lot of song a lot of the thing that i think the lead to a great deal of frustration for that we've heard that that you know we tried the heart and yet we're seeing that and i'm like ok thing to point out and it now that's what they're going on and i did that before i work very hard for goldwater and in fact i quit school and and many other people that do in a lot of young people involved in a campaign remembered and we were probably hard and we didn't have that but i don't think that anyone here with a weak there four had the right that we

were unable to prevail by radical movements were able to convince people the practice that we therefore a writer more there a moral obligation to resort other mean all very glad that i had to write because i couldn't know like people who believe in the idea the day that i will or support your point of view what it may have been on the three member of your point the perversion on a comparative lot of the day in the congress and that the control of the economic pie he'll reveal the frustration because you are in control the climate agreement though that you have your new violence because of the underlying about her frustration write about something very subjective i mean i think in fact i think that the philosophy of the new law

frankenstein create neo liberalism and i think personally from my point of view that the philosophy of the new app is very much closer to the philosophy of liberalism that dominate with it today than you think and you know on the other hand from your point of view may day you know that really they're going to agree with them and they're really much more of a lot of american made pointer and i don't think that the political environment i might panic in certain value and think there you're kind of a little reluctant to where we like to call but that i don't know they're my kind of people and that point that i dont believe that they agree with me and that i tried to find people who i can't get those kind of people like that you either for the right to go out and once they take up arms if need be when you think about them a farm because of the situation if they happened because of the jewish vote approved a lot of individuals who feel that way in america today

and they live about what their agenda because i'm a revolutionary and i was like hey put the way they are they did a very violently name developer i called and they are the method that will you forget the value chain inside this agreement that a lot of the book the collected you disagree with the prevailing idea how to make a change that have some people in the us now

with that important than the three ninth day when you might have been right wing of others of being killed at the only reasonable and do it to kick them and making them all killing off their back and by an inmate can think i mean there's no reason for vietnam vietnam that no reasonable reason for the country to be that there's no reason for the gallows and the violent end of the ghetto and the only reasonable thing to do if you get the people know the law and the only rhythm a way to do it any way you can hug one of the leather collar level of labeling him one of the great what you're doing you know they have a warrant to get into a clinic political problem

kevin that the high with a lot of alcohol in america above ny that that i live in that room or control that were being way that might not be a critical of the way we define innovation are living right by the way we live now we're being right now no video done it again but really function without the card ok you're going to work you know okay and you're good at that body in jail five thousand dollars fine for coming up with a political will be much longer ignore i

know you're welcome your public corporation of america here in the i think the possibility that you can't deny that the possibility the last few years back in the last election dr mclaughlin well i think they write in the book that you can build a movement and right now in fact it was

rather that they're not going to say and then about because they're thirty crowd upper liked and didn't like the other classroom building you know i don't like them very very and what the government wanted but mentally got into the i went with the ability to illinois with honor what we talk about what one thing we think we try to hand out of that of that we were talking about about that how we were ratted on one thousand dollars bail and i didn't have that they can put people on local level a level where hiv infusion repression and if they go the movement in the country talk about no more than thirty parents when i bought it and a lot of people that supported a lot of people by that michael rosenberg over

the purge this was something that was put up by the american spirit of the system until that point something a lot of you know the fact that i have there have it is i think their understanding of time part of all will be

true that the understanding or my understanding from mom the late senator mccarthy's understanding other certainly the town doesn't really really the question of bagdad another point on all around here he talked about our understanding of timing of the earth that are independent and that is the mind and years and years and they're here very empowered and there in a generation the man and the generation that can be heard by another generation that might have to be hurt and you're going to be hurting her leg were making their the third of the war that that limited to nothing more than a rape of his mother are the recommendations that would you think of the poor but their other people are reasonable people a bit different i considered to be family like that why i consider it to be a necessary war and the territorial integrity of the voters are

and the commitment to the people of a country in that area of the world eight years and to do that we're finding but i'd like to get back to work what i thought about a few moments ago that when i try to talk about a few moments ago on a map ok let's grant that we are different and let's grant that i disagree violently with him i we sort of put your travel light and fight it out on the floor i'm going to put it that way a bag that weren't worried about not only get down to a lot of doing that more and more and more more places in this country and added are we are our people affected by that oliver we like that but we're gonna have to truly is the reason there is discussion convince other people of the

validity of our view my view they're your ears or whoever and get them on our climate change things through the open which is something that they would object that we may get three five that get in fact we think and the majority of people cry with a lot of other former on like you are you that would be a generation gap there that people made up of the young people of the let the meaning it npr the idea that the va are they and that they believe and now korean the crime but i'm kind of date that there are but the critical vote there aren't able to beat you ever have a thought that never that ended then the game he get you and why you know who any of the important the game or they've happened with purple rain

i think everybody would agree what kind of private i think politically thinking that the ability of people that have been on welfare through the call that they have an alcohol problem everything in the country and we can't do that at the thinking that i thought that again head of a lot of the private thoughts everything on that day and i felt that you know there with the conflict with a liquid that you see and the vietnam war within the body by but mccarthy movement mccarthy campaigned hard and that are going door to door and talking to the people in that generation gap that for them and i think i learned and i know a lot of getting the car people learned that you can communicate with it would be older generation you can't gonna talk with them and long

and that avenue of open to me and to many other people we will not take a violent road and there you'll align the different relief when you do that i will not turned violent and i think that probably a lot of people here feel review of nyu is huge but we were not going to find the fight well the remarkable thing about the well that may be of the older generation takes very few of the generation gap i can think of really any other generation in history that would you know seriously listen for two hours before their televisions watching yeah now i would've been out for them would they walk along here on your ideas there just assumed the vet thought they'd rather lightly along later our own party and take a generation or more willingness to listen on the part of the older i think the younger generation now in nineteen fifty eight probably has more

video of americans were willing to live a lovely world for what reasons i'm not sure but i think that that i think then why why the people were there and they didn't have the region and rationing are they on the kappa kappa of america that particular region and rationality have never ruled in the country they have been accomplished by drew the immigrant groups worker who who are part of that in the labor movement political groups they make up thing by new group and they have the power not really but i'll

mobility of all the labor work their way up in there for an end and the vatican have got to read and i read them and apply for years right now we're living in it were rationale a reasonable way and they say that will only immigrant group world war ii can improve your chance and of that may have been even more than a handful of property with appropriate information now to talk about the japanese i think again that the vehicle that will get made again

what they get through very closely knit family group let economic power and they were unable to reach but they develop economic power that now they can live in the fall i think again that our region and then when a group of regret he it got the reply with how going on the repression and validity you know why he played live now right now thank you robert you're right i like

now i don't know but the thing that everybody is going to be whether you're twenty one when you have a valid point of view to be heard and i think that the generation he cried you're very welcome people here the point of view that are now that would have been a kind of a point where we get enough people

that we don't want we want more on top of the well one of nevada and i like the people that they are fired i think that we have now one that you know the referendum vote for the withdrawal of that in the country that are the lot of the withdrawal in iraq three like wow i'm a humphrey and my fight over workers' party the night before the local politics of the viable think are the needs of the other but if they do

that we read everything that i believe in a lot of the reason that that package involved bell and a generation gap was that the generation gap it really redefine that our generation is it a party divided with an owner or later we're going to be that generation and how to be more powerful than others but you know our generation and tipping over the control patients that we've been talking about tearing down or will be part of the trying to build her them down and attack them out of that that a generation gap between not an odd we didn't get it i think that the important thing that's come out of all that's been very nice it is that we have for this area right here and that a stereotype that have been created through the rhetoric reform mainly the mass media in that is that the younger

generation in all doing one thing regardless of what that one thing maybe were all different and don't listen to what the news report here a news report their earnings report parents think that's what all of the younger generation are going to do that just not true either ce po and julio cheetos one hundred ricky martin interviews a leading force of the establishment and capitalism the real one in an era when the establishment is under fire and capitalists often viewed as

reactionaries edgar kaiser kinds of industries primitive the blt correspondent edward p morgan to examine the millionaire world in which you grew up and the one in which he finds himself today as the leader of a world renowned corporations set for is the mystery passenger by the impatient standards of today's militant you this man is is where the bomb really believes that the american system with all its faults works when outside the establishment few people ever heard of edgar kaiser age sixty or are they aware of his considerable impact on american life he belongs to a new breed of tycoons most americans have yet to discover a man with a more worldly outlook a broader commitment to their community and their country a white house aide described him as a dealer with dedication and humility a labor leader finds him and worried about his country club image or the class struggle a cabinet member cause i'm a renaissance man one hundred percent real almost impossible to fall tyler

flied fifty thousand miles a year from his eagle mountain iron mine outside palm springs to australia pakistan south america south van and that he runs nearly three billion dollar corporate are all building dams making chemicals aluminum and steel manufacturing is electronic equipment and even raising model communities with operations in thirty four states and fifty foreign country and then a series of conversations with him that spread over four days edgar kaiser is for ever flying off in new directions a tough minded executive he has by all accounts enormous integrity in the dehumanizing times

he has an almost religious faith and people of america the land of opportunity he believes in still exists but he insists it does the most vital evidence of that believe that the kaiser health plan pioneered by henry kaiser founder of it is the work of what john edgar in most pro eu expanded to cover nearly two million people only four percent of walmart chrysler employee the public member here could be double tomorrow except that there aren't enough rooms that go around for twenty five dollars a month or less a family of forgetful hospital and medical services on preventive medications keeping them well the private system is not necessarily the model that its main strength lies and rewarding the doctors for efficiency they don't have their own earnings often

comprise the biggest the most rapidly rising item in the country's fifty billion dollars yearly health bill an adequate medical care for the orange overcoat aware of lincoln he is one of the nation's biggest items of unfinished business partner plan would become a generation ago to protect private workers on the great boulder and lead their division a company doctor approach didn't work really the contracting with hospitals that have the vision instantly garfield organized the group of doctors in private contract with them to spend long time running after it was a radical pioneering effort distinctly not appreciated by everyone loud and clear and they're about thirty violent than a very very what do you believe the couple

a day that was b not so much anymore you think the average person who had to have something wrong with them go to a doctor and that that many high if you've got something of that that they can take care of baby doctor recommended somebody or maybe they deliberately a lot of people don't have more people don't have a family that you're the only going to go on here when you come in and you provided no by an expert and then use them for the management specialist in that particular so i got to stay and make eye doctors say they haven't done it i'm getting medical attention and if they don't belong to unify and public and professional

and governmental resistant to this kind of thing the managing that big league ball i would say today that had all of me they believe that this is the right approach you have made literally a paying proposition of the funding that they are not making a problem largely of a toilet paper and felt it generate sufficient trying to build new facilities and the new not that one thing that many people don't really know they think that the tigers reporter than to get outside help and he got it generate a generator no money to build new facilities there were really ethereal almost a thousand bed the year which is pretty low when i would you like to see the federal

government expanded medicare to a private care kind of thing called how are you how you doing they choose being the freedom of flexibility that you have an archive of a plan worth of private operation it's a relationship between the end of the year and the minute you get the government into a clinical professor of democracy gets itself tied up in red tape you can't pay the wages for the government for the weekend and afford well one b anthony is a different type of the thing that doctors here are within themselves and they make their own arrangement because we come back to the doctors they introduced it out and i think they provided i'm now john

q or i can't afford twenty five dollars a month to free preventive medicine for my family what you do with me what specifically have anything of the kaiser foundation doing about the poor and it pours help to the very poor employ our car bomb of poverty and set up to take care of some of the people and we have to plant going on in oregon one now we made it available partly by poverty program and also partly from the new generated out of operation and had to get where they are given cover and the doctors are giving america also serve the people medically unfit parent exactly as though they were a member of this point i also believe that this planet into the medicare that is were private people together with and that

will take on medicare operation with a plan like this i'll yell eureka mainly and narrow category are you saying that if they do that the federal government could this medal medicare and these moves would take an overall i think more and more violent than the plant like if and of the government had contracted to private groups that don't and would be if i were a lot of you think that when all it hadn't done despite all the wonderful new facilities or maybe because of all the wonderful facility that you're going to do it you got a problem here what might be called assembly line medicine and i think the best answer to give the navy in a hundred and fifty thousand members and that we can build the privileged that it's not a terrible public project how did henry j kaiser an advertiser american actors you know

my father and mother dies and i think they will they were practically and his father and his father ultimately went blind and couldn't know and he always used to say do not just me my brother and radiant energy associates some day i want to do in the sprawling kaiser homes that among the tawny hills east of oakland such close colleagues as the gerard head of the ge corporation and the president the kaiser industry is boyhood friend of the interventions often consult with him on weekends the place is an oasis where the host likes to entertain friends and family especially thirteen grandchildren a disarmingly homespun millionaire a one off to work instead of completing college either have a taste for the poetry of kipling and

edgar guess is not exactly the norman vincent peale of industry but he frankly believes in prayer in the power of positive thinking i asked him one sunday morning what shaped his life was going to work yeah yeah and i can remember mother and i'm doing then traveling to a gravel pit for nearly gave my whole life has been one of being associated with him in his death and the only job i found and when he was in washington and in the very long before the war in the

days before older man who were so i am eleven that he believed that if you were to something harder the financial roi has barely knew how to do it and i do have the background the training in the association the fact that i saw were no so many times i've said to him he had to do and i found out i wish there was a way and some people insist and i wonder what your reaction is that a great deal of success or failure depends on law order that are threatened jerry henry kaiser and here's another like well who are dedicated and committed and hardworking voters is here you are privately some kind or

another writer her mom a writing retreat and the other man it like it is big on locker coincidence timing i can be given to events in his life and he told me about it now now no money sitting on a portland oregon looking dejected amanda name of brown while wyatt's a young man what's wrong with you want to look like an unlawful day is known vickery especially olive orchard of mother's sake of my father a lot of money your job i can do it i was really wanting to talk

we are salaries are very common for that third round of it done good business and the only juror well now what was that one for two incidents of beef to brown enlisted guys are being on the porch at the same time on a beach florida that us anyway he can oh my father to the arab going with what the spokane wash got a job and the hardware and hard work though and i'd love to play about new a decided that a particular start happening now ok replacing one word but in a downturn and down for that

only finally third round you have the more sober up in the attic i thought if i could have a job polishing their live and we could put on sale there are a couple of big part of the ground like america's boys choir even if you lead me to this island plane in a couple of a valley up there a couple three weeks doing it and we'll put on that they'll right away a man who they hired twenty thirty people whatever it was they hadn't failed and hear an athletic coach or a general manager of the hard way that we changed from photographer a hardware and then logically it worked into the construction reason the hardware business you know they would like a vague and it

sold everything including building material and measles and that all of the most profitable i really concentrate on not letting in the construction of the paramount people were felling construction job good morning you're dealing with crises and daily even sometimes are going to have to do big decisions and kaiser corporation or something to do with government president committee on urban housing in the interval between the thing when you do to recharge your battery would you do to relax i enjoyed working so i enjoy college glee whether it's for relaxation i don't have thin committee i don't have to agree with anybody on twitter a value it just goes billy

and i'm a wonderful story that one of my very close friend whose land that women were voting in the park anyway are bold and helping people and that and i get down on my only vaguely what are the bright spot of the day and we do you know the new emperor and hearing says what's right and you'll board run by the queen and gloria what they want i don't know that a harmless oakland office kaiser guide his empire consult with the white house and foreign capitals dreams of competing in and with communist countries it's good he

says for both sides a president for the narrow calvin coolidge definition that the nation's business is business his own broad spectrum includes camps for poor kids and similar activities almost too numerous the crowd that he thinks business in general has widened its responsibilities in we were in our early days we can find ourselves pretty much through just borrow business activity and there we are and i'll tell you if you're going our businesses have become more dependent on not only the commune the economy but the economy in the country and its relationship to other countries internationally than we have come to the conclusion it is essential a good counterpart to be objective help to the

community and the nation and given the right decision absolutely thought it all i think i'm as part of their health issue a we'll have that that that's what we do and how our liberation in great need in our business is good management the great native american military will play it's good management and political groups in our society at the regard government government the highest level in some respects government at any level and family how do you regard health i regard government as they can truly for the great song nothing to live it i thought about my own field has failed a new and therefore you know the government had i think you want to head in one of your speeches you made it a little bit

more biting that you you can't blame the government for moving the end if we ended that have failed to do something that needed to be done and i believe in this idea of a horror and jacquie lee back then what really motivates you in the public service whether it's simply here in oakland or a presidential committee are commissioned watch live aid doing good for your very difficult to recruit and you're out but i find that as you work on these committee it is helpful to our vote you don't go into it honestly because you think sell another fact of the matter of what when you understand the overall problems you're better able to intercept policies and to help in the formulation of our faith in our

own businesses as to where our interests or should be directed i found that out in housing the truth is nobody fully understands america's housing problem between six and seven million families now live in substandard housing the kerner commission said they must be newly housed in five years the government said but action has been painfully slow in a car in an urban renewal project near kaiser's office roof garden in downtown oakland negroes were both those from their homes years ago forced into slums well this one was clear i asked kaiser who headed the president's committee on urban housing why there's an intriguing that there with a noticeable rumors the nine which gets me to put the following day i am a resident of april seven years ago i was set out by urban renewal and there've been rumors ever since that i've been

able to get back in that was seven years ago the time is now the question is in a place of all a political how are you going to satisfy the people that need housing and can't get it today while he action edith out here and back into a community here it is again this week that's been as we move inside to inspect these attractive eight courthouses on the edge of oakland slums we explore the central hang out of the housing problem these homes are not for the poor what about them to enable the poor with government financial aid to

become homebuyers are we going to have to face still higher taxes or higher the year then you have all the day he made clear he reacted or what are calling it right now

the need is a minimal never been a group of six hundred thousand in the year and we're waiting for the next ten years and think of the planning was for ten years and lately for a lot longer heard of maybe a larger point the rebels have two thousand five hundred and fifty thousand and that vision the devil worship there were in that has to be right and the argument can the country afford and my opinion the country can't afford not to do thirty million dollar per billion dollar you can't help vietnam no matter which way to go unless you have unity strength in this country and not going to happen if we're letting a conditioning just wear seven million people are substandard

housing i didn't have any conception of the need for low income housing so we took a look at what we were doing and we have a relatively small but we have some projects going on in this country we're not concentrating we haven't at all on the low end former director empathy or more and more as much as we can to that and i'm sure that this is true with a number of other associates of minorities committee land even not is nothing that we are going into the housing business because they see the knee before martyr game appear often covert the american system is really fully davis and free enterprises and capitalism because it really you run a patched up it's a

friday in which you have to give subsidies for practically everything about it what would be rebuilt it's been the word probably won't be right because you have to have a feel of the man and feel which you'd want to develop by him for allegedly get hopefully a lesson going to return with a boat we know all of that the system doesn't work we know that we have the best very moving in the world for the most people you can argue with that we know that human beings are pretty much the same the world over that that is needed if they contribute more a little thing wrong with that competitors of call kaiser himself a dangerous radical for his

socialized medicine some of his executives themselves rumble it is costly schemes including this roof garden adviser center kaiser is not infallible advisor fraser car with his dad so he has an almost exasperating faith in the reasonableness of people even in these mad time he concedes though that mobilizing again such enemies is prejudice poverty and lack of opportunity is harder than arming for a shooting war is it going to be impossible for us to turn that that energy to a less visible and we do military bases where we really make it i get an order for an object though relatively that's them how to organize their poetry major community the number of dissenting opinions and voices idea reconcile and

there's a smoldering tension in oakland ghettos in a political and economic system which most whites considered flawlessly do not bruise very combustible in the politicians and business leaders are beginning to feel the heat for the poor people like the writer and how many times do people come up to you and say you're the head of a powerful operation why can't you get a job offer and we know that you can't really explain the situation the nation really driving is underneath here how do we legitimately if you like doing what were what i believe was arguing today about amending their employment discrimination in fact does not occur that the

word for a long time i really remember climbing up the water i don't think we know and i don't think the problem is that you don't have any problems today and most everybody again when you have a problem when you're doing business there are three or four years ago don quixote might have recognized a kindred soul and edgar kaiser who our jobs with practical windows and dreams you might say the possible re i believe in the people i dont suspicious when i talk to somebody i accept what they tell and i have

it's why when our discussions previously i'm not discouraged about the country in spite of everything we read it the majority of people are good people and that in my mind of the different letters were talking about some women except american made up of flying group of people i guess that now here is the bureau chief correspondent edward p morgan with his personal point of view if there ever was a disposable year nineteen sixty eight was the one its agony and it's void of ecstasy we know by heart the question is whether it remembrance of things past and help us really ambushes of the future the year was not without inspiration on an unforgettable christmas eve three brave men orbiting are bleak however small gold and red of the creation from the book of genesis scientists carson men of the cloth continue to dispute how the universe began there is less controversy and

how our world will end unless the family of nations and contain its core this sharpens a vital point of art it has that our consciousness before without penetrating deeply i know the point is that while he had just begun to lift the flap of the mysterious universal uncle and what's the world is a lot like a peach men for the first time since he emerged from the primordial slime has accumulated enough knowledge to break the bondage of human suffer war and want need be no longer and sciences slowly winning the battle against disease in short we have a blast the wherewithal really to civilize what we call civilization ironically the plight of apollo eight hours the inevitable temptation to obscure our terrestrial responsibilities behind the confetti of celebration over the triumph of man's reaching out and catching the mood like a pliable in the palm of his hand that magnificent he inspired the famous british astronomers are garnered level to

explain the human spirit is still there a true but the human spirit is still very alert to the ugly incomparable evidence of this stretches from be applicable from jerusalem to saigon from prague to chicago from a motel balcony in memphis to the pantry floor of a los angeles hotel and your parents or your nineteen sixty eight was largely white men not nature made it the globe was neither consumed by fire nor can do you buy ice but button by a scourge of trees calling themselves people the desperate paradox here is that as science which is our horizons outward population shrank more selfishly into themselves hours especially reveling in such an orgy of creature comforts and vicarious thrills that switchboards in washington were flooded with protests last week when a pro football game was briefly interrupted for a live telecast from apollo eight must be american coat

of arms depict a moon shot from a garbage dump must our national anthem now saying of the beauty of poisoned spies and our battered cities charge by racial strife from seed to oil slick see but bird songs give way to the hungry pick up any of the steel breasted bulldozer and whatever happened to love and black men said emerson she'll rely on the law alive and beautiful which works over our heads and under our feet below us in a male's itself of our success when we obey it and a viral and when we can't agree that are still secret believers in it helps the word justice would have normally i believe that the best is the true that right is done at last or chaos woodcock uncle gazing on its debt great plaster of paris service the apollo eight crew observed in effect that the moon was a nice place to visit but they wouldn't want to live by comparison the earth is still an oasis for how long depends on us earthlings

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