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so in the past it's been donaldson ready and his operatives were working for a white house official did you observe any heckling that they're mr rara humphrey had to go through were well and tell other los angeles yes sir i did get it isn't as the summer probably the two best examples from a lot
of campaign heckling was on one occasion there was a hundred dollar probably was the hundred hour flight dinner at the beverly hilton hotel in los angeles given for him to raise campaign fund for the whopper of regroup and on this occasion the santa monica mcgovern youth workers a mess into into little violence and drove down to be of beverly hilton in march and there in front of the hotel where the day was going to be in hell with the purpose of up trying to re cast bp's for this dinner another occasion in fact that i can remember or hours president was humphrey and his wife were at a prearranged press what we what i call videotape commercial they can about oppressed people that were extremely flammable to vail and they planned a series of thrillers the nursing homes and throughout the los angeles area
and that deal was that humphrey would go in showbiz beat concerned probably owe people and theyre sick and the downtrodden in that newspaper people would you know take pictures of this and i use it to news and then they also hit home for people taking these events to use for a tv commercial a twenty years later i'm out of it this clock was bitterness among these shift workers and this conference of the other members of the democratic candidates there were klansmen mr humphrey would become slightly lyrical mr humphrey of all the democratic candidates that our work far with our association wherein the sign on this ancient african and all the hecklers in the demonstrators much better than it's a muscular government even mcgovern with his youthful our campaign strategy another you forget that he really could handle the
weight of the direct protest against iran that it wanted us pause about all peoples them rare appearance was this episode of that government are i think that the major effect of this was that it disrupts enjoyment and it was not from edible for the cameras to film it in quite a smooth of manners they had all the disruptions that says the noise it was impossible to have it always with the video because of that some of the awesome things that were say it in the language and the tones there's a tone at the demonstrators often in california demonstrations that i noticed were more vulnerable and had a more violent attitude than some of the only ones the ones dragging this must be in for instance we mentioned in milwaukee or simply efforts to distance shouting and for the
time that i got to california traveling with the campaign the demonstrations have become more personal and more the c r e and they were they were specifically directed at individuals and that remarks and i think that the committee already see some evidence from this great that his assignment was to arrange for reporters against any wannabe the candidates would appear make it appear like it's coming from one of the other candidates that you know what sources on the second was no ser o the only source of the op plan protests were the ones that mcgovern had claimed against must be in wisconsin and it is mostly in golf and humphrey in california now if the california primary which is just prior to the break in the watergate you learn to break and one when they went to give them a break and where were you a return from california
and there was a period after california now speculation right now i'm on speculation that speculation ran a country was that the government managed to obtain enough delegates to get the nomination and that was the last primaries and it was kerry have about two weeks between the time i came home from california until the next of an onus on the calendar the year would take place which was at the democratic convention in miami and i went to on a little rest and recreation my favorite fishing place in kentucky i was kicked out at the lake and i first learned of the watergate break in obama returned home pick up the local papers there and local and read the headlines are some concern when you read that yes sir taught me a great deal of concern a lot well basically because as i indicated earlier i had a suspicion
that video im all of the operation now is undertaking was how at least if not the republican initiated it was at least in the same philosophy and strategy of the least of my republican colleagues and that it was not a year to you to helping the democrat but merely to observe the operations and now when it was disclosed her when i read the newspapers and half and started hearing the news that it was disclosed that some of the members of the watergate people on the people have been apprehended in several watergate reporters we're affiliated with the republican party are iraqis are you know it caused me to have suspicions that possibly not only do they have an intelligence gathering operation that possibly they had other operations as well i'll bet that particular evening which was a sunday evening
i began to call the number that i had previously used to contact list rainier in wars and no star was not the phone had been disconnected a court order was disconnected that very morning we were later able to convert contact them up i was not able to contact him two days later he contacted me we had a conversation and zoning map in my concern over these visions of those conversations become that yes sir i was a very reluctant to continue any of the activities that i mean at least that was your myself that could investigate what was going on if i know as i say i was not aware of all the details of the work the thing i had been away for some time and he instructed me that if i would come from washington he would not be assured the first that i have not taken any illegal activities nor was his group were taking of any instruct me that about current or something he would arrange a meeting with me
and his bass so and his boss who in fact real firearm is the answer i came to washington and receive a column a hotel anonymously one night the man identified himself nearly as mr bingham is for the matter of having something a reference for me to come and he reassured me again that the organization that was working with was not about any of the illegal activities and quite strenuously prescott to me the fact that they were not in fact connected with the people that were apprehending doesn't know i think that what was striking to me to say that court is some concern was the young break in at the map out of the national headquarters and i think it plays an author and this committee has already received evidence on that is that there was a surreptitious entry into the headquarters and a bicycle pump microphones and telephones now and the
un see much difference between say yemen a secret entry into the headquarters and the plays a microphone so here information an activity and it orders through a misrepresentation and i'm hearing and actually seen activity that we're not actually more effective than what the un and the imaginary headquarters you were there are more flexible receive information by sound of much more flexible receive information by sight were you not in the sense or human bulger human camera infiltrating a democratic headquarters we're question that was when i played but i answered the as i understand it the main one of your question is yes i feel there's a great deal of difference between what i did and the illegal acts of the people that were caught
inside the democratic headquarters to me there's a lot of difference in breaking the law then breaking confidence i'm merely obtain information that was voluntarily given an added twist he buys arm and never broke in any place i never look at phones are used any kind of electronic surveillance that are the information that was obtained because i was america can it was like a newspapers because they are present at the hearings and because they have so far been able to obtain information of pre hearing testimony and so forth i would consider them spats and i won't answer them do anything illegal that's their job to report i've got a report on activities of the democratic suggesting that it wasn't like hey what about how he built on the lot that we heard a lot was a larceny which is the taking of property and then the law but turning things by false
pretenses of which is not a not another reagan and lies so but ydstie and displays of confidence and misrepresentations we take why would you think that if we were to consider legislation that just as in that that law where the various state legislatures and congress has felt that their that actually get that information out that that i think the operative is the same whether one picks it up that without the knowledge of an individual or where one gets hit by the sleek ms rivers and they were what i think needs to be brought out at least from my standpoint is that you're putting a lot of emphasis on obtaining this information by miss representation and in fact in nineteen seventy two that was not really a map the key to me being able to obtain this information it wasn't the fact that i misrepresented myself as a country were misrepresented myself as a salesman or any other misrepresentation the reason i got the
information was because i was there the reason i was there is because i was a good campaign where is wisconsin the country at what los angeles and truly identified itself as we were you think that you'd been allowed to work and that it was our sin that when i never used methods of misrepresentation on ebay never as you indicate you want to be a volunteer from ramallah that a true statement yes sir here in fact that good considering that actually year you're welcome to have a sign that you're being paid by somebody after that you're a lot for you or pay that the thing that you pay the map is going to get i was right to do surveillance and intelligence work when i was a volunteer in that report we are not playing i receive no money a look at somebody else's bomb iran yes sir
if you are reassuring you went wrong that needed work and the government or the declining for a while yes sir i was working as a state primarily for the conversation between the unknown person and myself and the rear reaffirmation that i would not been involved in any illegal activities and there were superior for batman days before the conventions started one of the results of the conversation it yet with the gentlemen in washington was that the plants had already been previously made for me to go from california to miami and as i understand the reservations at the hotels were made and the general pattern of the events was already a stamp west and therefore i did agree to continue that will unless the senate but when i went before it was with the stipulation that that would be analysis that it did on the miami convention and the what what position did you obtain them and
mcgovern campaign made miami convention robinson became a member of the security staff mcgovern headquarters of the leave we want what that that permitted to do are initially the same procedure in florida that pays for conventional use this map to amass information on where different allegations were staying where different reporters were the locations and so forth this information i did not receive from for mr wainwright a big this information out myself after that the location of the mcgovern headquarters up in washington was working on that quite a few people are low on the administrative staff of the mcgovern report and it had worked in the washington with governmental report and it was just a transition from physically from here to physically to florida
ryan ideas to the same type of activities that this man had become a familiar face what about that actually the unimportance a tree pose again i don't know or you mean when you say important where you know where you stationed throughout the hotel and we were also station up on the sixteenth floor where persons have to appear if they wanted to go up on the seventeenth floor where does the governor this week i was on a sixty four this is up i believe a misunderstanding through the press and through medicine the other test them cochran says that we pick our station on one occasion on sixty four but primarily i was stationed on the seventy four or mcgovern's sweeter current situation and just right which or mr hart hermann most of the top level staff people were stationed in europe and it's at eight am which meant you had your own
statement where they control the senate once i was there i even a better chance to go throughout the building for three nights i was a guard on the penthouse floors of acres of the war that the gun was then on i had complete control over was allowed on the floor and how long they stay does a disservice not allow a side of mcgovern a collaborative way and i said something that i'm on the floor and they're out on the floor but thing is that everyone on the governor and what he did not get copies of secret service clearance less access to one of dublin's convention operation room the kurds that diversity report yes so that's that's correct to the extent that i did not have total complete control of whom came on that low iq i could certainly hold up the people get sicker cyrus instruction or were they were primarily concerned with the physical safety of the candidate and they worked with us and cooperation with we had a
stalker man possibly have the staircase encourages seventy four when someone will present itself but that they're they would have been about and self identify the person i wanted to speak to and we would i'll go through the procedure contract in that person and see if they would be permitted on the floor in what prosecutors may i mr mcgovern mr whoever our network does not once these particular vigil the secret service people when they're ready and willing and able to assist us in moving the people from the stairwell well porter goss report indicated that you were as such access that you actually spent a lot of money then and as the mcgovern sweet sound of your sweet actually watching tv with him as he was watching california yes that rather than the california challenge while on monday evening i had become it at least reading national by even by the senator himself i'm a previous to this made several cats with the arm in most pressing in the hall
in different operations reduce or fourth in the building at it actually you were common it is amazing how easy it would be to be right in the midst of all the operations planning and yet been adamant that that is in itself a moment in the may not be a proper were actively do not agree with a political philosophies of george mcgovern the youth infiltrator and to get information and therefore you doing political espionage work week now housed in political intelligence gathering now you have a way to resolve this year received a mcgovern skip button which you wore governs this convention seventy two yes sir other with retired state buttons initially is that
to designate a different levels of staff importance and at one time or other at the convention and offering different different buttons yeah these were given to me that people as we talk about why he's there are buttons were just not just not the vivid but that sound but they are so familiar to gain access to certain places that are not yes sir they did and the more restrictive the bottom line a ladder through certain places where the secret service people and how to stop others that natural yesterday my entire tenure with mcgovern security force in for i was never a challenge anyway asked access to any now you've got this not only because you represent yourself to be a volunteer for the government or working on his behalf of the natural nasr i don't really agree with
that app because i was on the security step i don't like the miss representation was the reason they gave me the button the reason they gave me the button was because i was a sad for that particular job of a secret service people that were standing guard george mcgovern or either american party registrants are republican registrants there was not a single democrat on his whole secret service for doing this security man unless you indicated that you were an active worker for mcgovern that's true if it had not been participating in an operation that our message that they would give me the button i don't know when the republican headquarters i mean it was you were working with them in their quarters of my own invention what if anything did you hear and setting him on and women to influence delegates yes there are there
were instances that i remember of women being president that were not ah explicitly steph people as santa's secretary our ministry of duties in the whole tale notes or their work there was a situation in a hotel where there is a hospitality room set up for the delegates to come in in the hospital in drake and talk and discuss issues are what you notice anything i wanted to be an on frequent occasions that stop this particular room and ominously he was there and on different occasions i noticed people that i would classify as prostitutes are people with at least with low if not prostitutes they were at least people with low moral standards you're over our reviewer is a member of the view over a year over year member suggested such
people in that march that moral standards be useful for influencing the votes no sir not you know not in the policymaking type of conversation of the night several people on this day of hip hop about the half not necessarily be a painting of any of these type of people that they did in fact i'm hearing all these people existed in the building and they never instructed us to remove these people from the building you in fact i'm glad that it would have to have when i'm in a car and a gun carr yes sir out i was instructed by a staff member and i cannot recall specifically to he's one of the transportation cool cars to take a delegate from doral whole tale to the playboy plaza which is maybe fifteen to grab the throne i referred to him about what kind of
the thought was at least at the campaign headquarters yes they have a whole fleet of cars they get ready to use for transportation to provide delegates with transportation to and from and rats get in assistant people transportation and access to that as you may recall dorough hotel was a directly adjacent to the hotel where the national headquarters democratic official democratic or four and a convention was some maybe five miles away it was necessary to get cars to use for transportation from the rail to the family to other delegations hotels and so forth and you have a nation on about your testimony is in the us and one was aware of this kind of operation the young women that you were in the party are these the kind of an interview with tennis little while earlier who were either prostitutes of women alone definitely
the delegates that i was the second draft of the play what was a lot of just one final question at this time in the course and the course of years simon says wisconsin pennsylvania california the city and miami you did in fact that you at least if not as you say overtly misrepresent allow persons to believe you were working for the candidate did not inform these people that you were a paid and thousands gather for somebody else to live with the republican party that that was that yes that's fairly accurate and as is all the early dirt not conforming these people that are actually allowing your true identity that you know that you were able to obtain a valuable
information and materials from these various reporters are not necessarily materials i never remove material for documents was in some cases would dance than schedules of twitter yes sir but i'm i'm never in the course of the activities when you refer to materials in relation to some of the previous testimony given for this committee have to not remove that type of material all with the can of stealing our uk are commanding the materials the materials that i removed or materials that were printed up for distribution and this material would eventually be distributed to the public eye and how enormous soon as they're printed up and they were not distributed so maybe two three days later mothers and from the raw materials more than the perils of information to read inaudible about that you were able to get because
of your temperature at possession and were able to convey that information to most of us that yes or i did something important information or i felt it was important that they start measuring here and it did attain such a thing as a cold is there is that yes sir good and the preparations this time mr mudd my counsel fred thompson was a nobody democrats are checked up on the runways credentials right now we're going to take a breath or the television coverage of the senate hearings will continue after a pause for station identification on a bridge coverage of the hearings is being broadcast as a public service where local public television station this is pbs public broadcasting service fb the
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and are you now and i'll use you know their lowest they call it on the big ones when you can click a link is it really ms mcdonnell is understand it you didn't know that are you will be referred to it as a as a venture to know that i wasn't using any code names first lady's military i guess i like code names never used of course on they weren't religious
no surgery operations albeit not the only other contact with that was ever make to me was the initial call by morton blackwell setting up the meeting with mr amir and the telephone calling working mr bart was not explained to his true situation or a disconnection with mcmillen inc when you refer to true i don't know if you're not he told me that he really didn't know what you know the specifics about this group or about the incentives and to this point it has not been made readily available to me whether mr blackwell was in fact a member of the committee to reelect you have an account or indirectly within one white house no sir no sir when you're working in wisconsin pennsylvania california or any other state and a local republican way his work within an underground
only the ones that were working there was quite a bit of in wisconsin especially they have no party registration tight primaries not a straight line primary and there was a lot of republicans were going for muscular republicans working for humphrey and mcgovern audience because it's a covert operations and also they were not at we were not planned activities are as you're welcome from campaign to campaign do you have and you will be implemented through what candidates rick on the hill what planet you're kind of work or you just yell and intelligence was simply gathering intelligence on our home was not purposely playing the harbor helping one juror a discussion with stronger or anyone else the effect of it would be better for the president of certain candidate won or absurd found water on or no sir you mentioned several instances of
things that you also mentioned didn't smoke there to observe the march twenty seventeen cents or two for you it avoided mcgovern worker workers heckle mr musk if you don't want more detail about how it was was it wasn't stating of opinion was a disruptive or what was a jewish it was very disruptive sir what happened is it was a play in pre planned speech that must be at you you get beyond our i think his plan copy of speech was on the vietnam war and the protesters the mcgovern people at least game plan in this particular operation as it was explained to me that mcgovern use was to go out to find and tolerance raymond get caught in and as i mentioned
earlier on especially obscenities were used but basically just to shout in an unhappily and causes much noise as he could possibly override the audio our musty appearance and it was extremely effective defamation before mr musk he was up's really vulnerable to heckling and harassment that perhaps he did not pay less self well are speechless notes he did finished his speech but it was not a plant preplanned program did you ever observed quote an innovative water that you worked in love of mailing lists the plane from other campuses are important yes sir it was fairly common practice to be in a mcgovern headquarters and families to stay at people for humphrey or vice versa often trans
people feel she's a precinct workers more chairman so forth campaign workers mailing list i do know that there were most of the other candidates sometimes you notice in france it's in no up in a musty get orders there was a list of the nineteen sixty eight campaign workers for humphrey and precinct people that they were using to carve to solicit support for the most the organization in california in a critical work with cameras a list on mcgovern stationary of names and addresses and phone numbers that had evidently been mapping been compiled people and they will be used on three people for mailings and four direct mail and for direct phone call no no no
convention they have complete control over who is allowed on the floor the house floor you get copies of secret service plans and access for all government operations that would slow the departure of one of the senator's by invitation only said oh yeah of course in the security duties watch california how was it they get into a situation where you actually watched returns with with the candidate that anyone ever checks you out or ask you the questions about who you are what we usually your
political affiliations your friends references in a minute no really no one ever asked those specific questions up bar the operation in florida was that this there were questionnaires that were filled out that i feel that with my own name a person etcetera that the secret service used for security check i believe the extent of the check was to uncover alien forces are possible hostile forces because in nineteen seventy one of the major candidates were shot and it was some concern for the physical safety of the year and again as i mentioned before in talking during my tenure of service on the security step with the secret service people that were there to guard mcgovern i felt none of them follow philosophically allied with his beliefs for you know you're never
checked out about mcgovern i would never challenge the outcome a challenging would've taken or for research which have been covered up well they could've read my name and address a couple years in county kentucky clerk's office county clerk's office check voter registration and they would've felt about a registered republican and then i'm sure they could've up as usual is a procedure and some these are security checks situations contacted either the local thought he saw the local newspaper and found out that it previously been active in republican politics this one the mcgovern campaign and no one searcher the humphrey campaign or not certain that that throughout their lives in the fourth and that the whole team here from march until july i was never challenge and i was never in the position where i have a lot that my true political philosophy and a bit more detail about these girls were
one hundred years ago it had to have a girl to certain point who instructed to do if you called to use the mcgovern partner perkins it was a staff member but i cannot be specific this is an instance where i read column b of the nba did not recover specifics of the things i know i was instructed to do that in this voluntarily go and get the car from the car pool and driving down there and i don't remember specifically who had instructed that they one of the first time we came to the us on security beyond seventy four he came to the stairwell interest and ecstasy a member of the spare me a few years he has now it's here heart or more in his room was two doors down right around the corner from the stairwell and seventies seventy four
or what to do pick up the phone call mr carter listen if you want to see this project or delicate he said sending money back to use in a moment yesterday on governments as i mentioned someone come out and it struck me that you know that it's that was about eleven pm or not doing your duty as sandy specifically that normally men have come to that position how still there and as we're going to get the car and wait for the delegate outset that same year services committee for that elegantly he did there and i don't recall the name an alert was from our last stop a different in a lot of states do you
like it almost anybody on administrative state of administrative policy the upper echelon level staff association making people all along the maplewood says people that caliber all these men for him specifically were not specifically saying these gentlemen outskirts up about how many people would there be only on the policymaking staff who practically anyone who was in residence on the seventeenth floor where there was this was your instructions given to you by someone in residence on something flawed but remember it was someone who had access to their former writers for someone whose job was to carry coffee around for people in totally lit with he responded no sir
i don't know to go get one card and people who voted yes there are wanted you to have your whole different or el teo on what girl what happened in the delegate was standing there was it was oh yes he was with the late to women did anything happen though are active they got in the car timothy to the survey were not late is that one yesterday another war yes sir they were you were in
jail you'll ization of women like this meltzer it was there in one of the states a girl or be sent somewhere else or sort of like let me let me confess that violates their demo less ability how will you all that this event of the supporters are also mustering you infiltrated unusual the organization in wisconsin must i work in mostly
in wisconsin among question was will now that's another section is your identity you infiltrated the organization of that something must be in wisconsin ended that everything important was that he was like up tomorrow confusion disruptive campaign no sir i did not with muskie there were no examples of a destructive activities on the part i guess most kids can't see to what exactly did you do a musket balls workers aren't i could to carry out any chance which they didn't do that in the paper yes sir i would say at this point i was crying that this could be this volunteer work with any organization and you again from now and director of the republican committee relied on social norm now getting paid that they want to get information about know about disarray your love who was to get my fall
i don't really know who he was getting from there's been testimony before this committee that he was getting from mr porter well then you know in one of them and work in the us europe and again this is the us it was it was merely a primary campaign and this was my instructions to work in the thick of our lives disrupted ordinarily republicans not in this remote and vague man who weren't told they must be where all the success of the west the camp yes that's what they want me to get so that i'll be in a position to have any information that they wished for me to get back in what do you do with the information at the restaurant industry are and that was the work of all the state before i didn't know who he was working for a double agent that
you're welcome why aren't they at the saban instructions and eleven information about the muskie campaign to somebody who knew was working for the republican party i was not a double agent i was undertaking two separate activities one of getting information one of working outdoors wrong with a lot of homes now i know you with the video prompted it was you went to the conversations in wisconsin that's a value and you
represent to them the democratic nomination center i think your dramatizing a little more than it i just really present myself as a volunteer and they were damn going to get volunteers to work in memphis tennessee and it had senator but at the same time your work to make computers more about them and we'll take an information you've got a lot of them and it was actually a youthful infiltrating years i did not specifically do thanks to disrupt with that in men and not check it wants to work within the army stationed again their options and therefore be able to be in a position where i personally observe and find out the information that they are important to their obligation
you all on to testify and one deal that you want to tell them in good faith to promote a canister noble sentiment that nomination operation was not promoting his candidacy our ancestors did you infiltrate conversations of some literary wisconsin thousand than a california literary years and if they can follow us there and you know it was not supporting the incessant amount nels i don't believe he was and you know what's snake get information out of the artistic vision while at the offices of the mcgovern campaign through your car also i wasn't sleeping anything in a physically walking out and i'm never going to walk in and out of them
you walk out who lived without information and you came out of the patient yes soundbite of health to see if it would actually like to wheel will follow and tended to be working well an episode of ugly i didn't want any interest center of real place you like them in a sentence when he was when you were working out the information about those lambs and get it to its political opponents us that was not the only way no sir i don't like that it helped him for me to obtain information that i think my activities during the townhouse being this information up in the great deal i was a resident question this week on
us who infiltrated the conversation quantum of information concerning his activism for the purpose of given that information to his political polls in nineteen seventy nine in nineteen seventy eight and i did not know that the people i worked for republicans democrats a gift connor what i was merely trying to get their political information about organization's instructor a campaign where you know a madman that was going on you re read this thing that question you ask and you want you want infiltrating these are illustrations of these people seeking the democratic nomination and vacant our compensation from the mouth that has a
photo a medical practice with the rise of these outsiders until they get to do these things i believe they were they were very interested in this information what they get with that i'm not here you don't have an adequate what their political affiliations were wondering no sir not at that time i did not well when did you discover that this committee helped to like me towards that as you begin to suspect that somebody other than a well wishers local government must give that you were working for the tonality how huge was not going well that you're i felt that it was people that were interested in their activities so that they bypass strengthen their own political rhetoric and honestly it's just an activist a lot to suggest there may come down on top of the people supporting the campuses and the maple
leaf bar because probably that we've got no information of the type of the day when you had to get about what you call intelligence the answer to all alcohol abuse award political espionage would you please explain those simple minded man like myself that they're perfectly in political intelligence as practiced by you and political it as an art and not mean intelligence gathering is the obtaining of information primarily structural information and factual information espionage to me is with the explicit in kiev of destroying or disrupting something oh i purposely trying to be any sense that we'll let you get your information for the local assistant and promoting them well elevating on the problem the campaigns sometimes must be a mo humphrey
among the lab notes are all are my employers who wished you know the structural authorization of that kennedy that information information i got it well you engaged maryland get no information that this organization the armed forces and that i was in front of that you know when you are mixed up they are the park ranger the maximum restraint the union people and you know in reference to the cards yet and again come up or not the voluntary information
on any assistance that after that would be yelling at this situation where you know your reference to disrupt of three candidates that you will of one now when you all mixed up a car while the wrong people would get the wrong messages from what we know that paul is integrity the wording of that of the baron's famously said in italian it merely says rearrange and so for me that there was a point that went up they would just rely on it and a lot of your chain of thought but were given the situation we were having i believe i'm saying when an appropriate audience response and i think we're getting to the place where i can understand the people important witnesses answers so act seldom do this but i would respectfully request that we restore some sort of order
i do not know what is now law or you say you know you say you pop the people that's about activism further you probably recall and you get a car that had been done by when they hit they keep amazing wells confusion things you only get through that if i might know
solid and try to keep the devil from an ally and work with no way to get in do some more work not get the people that were involved in this authorization without the people in the state visit that might be some other trouble another wants to engage in rights act on what cubans of the knob labeled by other people who do that will get them is the minimal i'm not going to get into a philosophical motivation and whether that's going to do to confuse you to keep them busy to keep saving from a lot of evangelist rob wasn't impressed with the fact that they have huge problem my reaction in one respect please you say that government forces went down throughout lot of the few mr russell a secret service man
a lot of work and working in that war for mcgovern end up practically i would estimate that ninety nine percent of the whole step volunteers in on twitter and i didn't go with them but i went to the same place they were going to washington to local going to miami and then when you got the miami that they may believe that miami were with your calls without no sir i was on the governor's personal security arguments they can stay secret service operatives inside the united states government were signed by the president united state department arsenal when you work that you said no sir well the
secret service agent supplied by the government into a conversation with me and expressed the philosophy that they did not agree with the government that they were american barrio when you said it you said you don't agree with some of those a lot i certainly did not want him to be workable this fall but that was my thing this information difficult to comprehend four like to get information about the information will that each year when you break a lot of that information will follow the law would you remind everyone agrees
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1973 Watergate Hearings
Part 2 of 6
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Robert MacNeil and Jim Lehrer anchor gavel-to-gavel coverage of day 44 of the U.S. Senate Watergate hearings. In today's hearing, Michael McMinoway, Fred Taugher and Lt. Kenneth Hickman testify.
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Watergate Affair, 1972-1974
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Anchor: MacNeil, Robert
Anchor: Lehrer, James
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