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evening i'm jim lehrer on the newshour tonight the speaker of the israeli parliament and a palestinian authority official assess their fragile cease fire tom beard looks at making air conditioners more energy efficient karen smith uses the torricelli case to examine the pros and cons of leaking to the press and a california photographer reads his favorite poem at all follows us on rhythm is this thursday major funding for the newshour with jim lehrer has been provided by i imagine some of the corners this program was also made contributions to a pbs station

computers like anything anymore there were indictments today in the bombing of the us air force housing facility in saudi arabia nineteen us servicemen were killed in that attack five years ago ray suarez reports fbi director louis freeh in attorney general john ashcroft announced the indictments at a news conference in washington today a federal grand jury in alexandria virginia return an indictment charging fourteen individuals with murder attempted murder of federal employees conspiracy to commit murder and conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction related to the june twenty fifth nineteen ninety six terrorist bombing of the cold war towers dormitory complex in saudi arabia at ten pm on a truck packed with more than two tons of explosives was detonated outside the us air force housing complex near downtown about two hundred miles from

riyadh in addition to the night in america gets more than five hundred people were injured many of the military personnel who lived in the compound their units their flu patrols over nearby rock charged in the bombing were thirteen saudis and one lebanese who took directions from unnamed an uninvited members of the iranian government the indictment explains that elements of the iranian government inspired supported and supervised members of saudi law in particular the indictment alleges that the charge defendants reported their surveillance activities to iranian officials and were supported and directed in those activities by iranian officials ashcroft said the evidence wasn't strong enough to support indictments against the iranians or will the investigation continues the statute of limitations for some of the charges was to i am monday the fifth anniversary of the bombing the

fbi director said indictment sends an important message to terror it's very important to people who would commit these crimes or assistant about the commission of these crimes know with certainty that the book is never closed too none of those indicted for the attack are in us custody though some are being held abroad it's not clear whether any of the accident after the bombing the us moved its air force personnel in saudi arabia to a more secure site in the desert scattered violence continued in the middle east today threatening a week old cease fire palestinians fired a mortar at a farm near the border with gaza and jewish settlers burned palestinian guards and feels in the west bank last night president bush telephoned israeli prime minister sharon and palestinian leader arafat urging them to honor the us brokered truce he's sending secretary of state powell to the region next week and we'll have more on the story right after the news some riots broke out

in belfast northern ireland later date for a second night in a row last night against the stones and firebombs at each other and at police at least thirty nine officers were injured the troubles or tuesday when protestant militants attacked a catholic children on their way to school police said both protestant and catholic paramilitary groups used the incident to foment violence us senate today began considering amendments to the democrats' patient's bill of rights legislation and major also faced a presidential veto threat over expanding the right to sue health plans for damages susan dancer reports today's debate over the patient's bill of rights was just getting going when president bush repeated his vow to veto the bill republican senator tim hutchinson of arkansas read from a white house letter to congress he believes that as ten fifty

two would encourage costly and unnecessary litigation that would seriously jeopardize the ability of any americans to afford health care coverage the president will veto the bill unless significant changes are made to address his major concerns here backers of the bill continued to argue for their two track approach on lawsuits would let patients sue in state courts as well as in the federal courts if there are health plans tonight the media coverage or care it would also let them recover potentially far more in monetary damages that opponents of the measure want north carolina democrat john edwards is a co sponsor of the bill is time to get real rides the patients and that's what this legislation is about those riots or meaningless unless therefore so it's not a patient's bill of rights unless their enforcement provisions meanwhile the public opinion campaign continues at the capitol this morning patients bill of rights backers rallied in front of an ambulance with an electronic

can untie it purported to take off the number of americans who'd experienced or delay or denial of care from their health plans since president bush took office senate democrats at at what they called an icu intensive communications units to talk to the news media and constituents but that also carried over onto the airwaves the leading trade association of health plans which fears a rash of lawsuits that when there is for small businesses like hers to cut health insurance benefits because of expensive new health care lawsuits where wilson's account lawyers on the other side of the capitol house republicans were still trying to broker a patient's rights compromise they hope to win back some of their own members who favor broadly expanded patients' rights to sue arizona representative john shadegg there is a a draft bill that there will be completed and available and out for a review i think within a matter of days

but congressional analysts said gop leaders have so far been unable to round up enough votes for a compromise that means the battle over patient's rights is likely to spill over at least until next week and that's it for the newshour tonight now it's on to the israeli palestinian cease fire a fish and air conditioners torricelli and other leaks and a favorite poem it's by spencer michaels begins or merely story with some background israelis and palestinians each buried more of their youth this week new casualties that threaten the fragile mideast troops a twelve year old palestinian boy was killed on sunday by israeli gunfire as he was watching other boys throws stones at the soldiers meanwhile a fifteen year old israeli girl died tuesday from injuries sustained three weeks ago when a

palestinian suicide bomber attacked a tel aviv nightclub he killed twenty one israelis mostly teenagers within days of the bombing cia director george tenet to the mideast to try to head off a new round of reprisals last wednesday after a week of talks both sides signed onto a mutual ceasefire palestinians agreed to prevent terrorism and take steps to arrest militants israel promised to lift restrictions on palestinian villages like roadblocks and checkpoints and begin withdrawing soldiers from areas of tension but since the agreement five palestinians and three israelis have died in new clash it's palestinian militant groups are openly rejected the cease fire and israeli settlers in the west bank and gaza strip of stepped up criticisms of prime minister ariel sharon's policy of restraint yesterday after a three hour meeting the israeli coalition cabinet

agreed to continue the ceasefire but he condemned the palestinian violence so starr is that the palestinian authority was supposed to rest are still at large and these are what we call the picking bones of these people are the ones who send the yard car bombs suicide bombers to our cities to our cows and that kill innocent civilians and by boat by the way in that in the past the three incidents they seem to be specializing in children young people but palestinian leader yasser arafat responded saying israel is to boy and the senate that they are trying to deceive the international community there tanks are still firing and they are still shelling and they're using all kind of weapons and the settlers are still committing all kind of crime is of course what the protection of the israeli army am airliner but even though they claim there's a cease fire at the white house yesterday after announcing that secretary of state powell would head to the region president bush once more appealed for car the party has continued

all out of different pieces and people can find excuses rationale and not continue the work raises such person does not think that way to believe in the past today secretary powell who met with the egyptian foreign minister said that the pieces are coming together in the search for an end to violence nine matching pair of israeli and palestinian views avraham ward be a speaker of the israeli knesset he's a member of the labour party which is part of the coalition government novel sharp as minister of planning and international cooperation and the palestinian national authority he's been an advisor to yasser arafat or thirty years speaker board how would you describe the state of the cease fire right now their friends on effect all my take good of both saw as a very frustrated from the situation and the very visit coming to visit though sector barry pollack

is a very important one because the feeling we're having at least from the israeli side is that president bush is sending his eyes that the monster the region so a line is that would be a very clear line there is a coalition which is the peace coalition and american oriented coalition which really wants to seize the fire to cool off the violence and to resume peace talks and the question mark over the edge or the us our father is a very simple one german arafat's widow you belong you belong to that is really egypt's sensual been in american oriented the school this and why you brought all the lobby and coalition that's a very clear and important question in the region and the league's most paper of the cease fire would prove the real intention of yasser arafat's and the policy and leadership mr schatz is a question and i don't think that's the only question is that our father is

dedicated to make this peace process work but there's also a question that has to be addressed to mr scherotter as you want to keep these banks and his set checking points new to making that post event that it has on the zoo and keep this siege is collective punishment of the palestinian people on those expected his settlement activities will continue going on why the us forces fired i think there's a responsibility and the two sides set because to say that the problem is a woman's the fuss he is in the bill for people often occupy country is is occupation is it your position was to show that that list are fed is doing all he can do to maintain the ceasefire he's doing all he can do given the present circumstances is that his army has been his police has been decimated his their of their residences been destroyed are although a police stations have been destroyed and his policemen competing go from one end of the love of their mobility is totally distracted by the israeli army and we have only eighteen percent of the west

bank under control just as on the israeli controlled with worries the israeli government doing all it can do to maintain the ceasefire no doubt the no wonder how miss those shots were really appreciate and admire is one of the people at the root of the key votes in the champions of this really can come with this kind of arguments because noses the shots as well as so many others that the big israeli government off the couple over very tragic painful and barbers so acidic a barber's cure a wiki it's my children and the children of others the israeli government led by our reassure wrong about the policy all the controlling dollar passion of containing though anger over retaining all originally of retaliation which is so legitimate but so many are those recent know pieces so important flaws and we did what he also forbid nuts to use the sharp is an advisor to the argument are fun and i ask you know bill my friend tell me we are members of this

coalition the impact that myself and shimon peres and my friends are having one aria sarong to change its policy and to have this union lets run no military initiative this has an impact what is your impact on yasser arafat's why didn't you didn't you are raised all the theories that it's widely to stop incitement it will never take off if you want to be the first that mr schaap we have taken the first step and bizarre fox had made it very clear and solemn declaration and commitment to a cease fire given that very limited resources and very limited mobility he is trying his best i appreciate very much you roll the borg not on up now but for a very long time as a leader of the bees down in his role as a matter of highest integrity i believe that we had both of us have to do our duty you are trying very much to keep business that chevron and the restraint

as our fathers doing the same to keep a stand and they're in a whole society which is suffering from a very difficult situation what about the specific a specific year was more just mentioned the arrest of the militants also the smoking from the cabinet made that same point yesterday why have you not done more because i'd like mr brochu is himself a democrat and that really that person was after the implication the implementation of all of the right of human beings for fair trial that thin line between saving human lives and saving human rights should not be justice without cause you cannot just go about arresting people without the minimum amount of information about their potential guilt otherwise you would be thought that this was in the right if you've got somebody is planning an action tomorrow yes i to prevent that activity happening i asked him first and then look into the papers

next but you're just as somebody who might have done something in the past does not pose a threat now i need a little bit more proof about his guilt at work mr schott it's a bit of really a surprising position i must tell you is the one relief worker dedicated to the civil rights and human rights and is an all around the world and i take it that the policy and all sorted out there are some some room for improvement in this failed i ask a very simple question what about re arresting all of these theories that they were in palestinian jails only a couple of months ago after you up process them through the due process you release them because of political reasons the arrest them based on the previous accusation you have invent and india without those but actually it is not a question of illegal positioning neither you was no hours it's a very simple thing is to shock you know as well as i do that's yasser arafat's takes

his decisions alone and you have unfortunately very little influence on him and you know how much influence we have one up on our ears are on and the very simple question i asked where is the palestinian peace camp where are you a peace activist talking all outside of the western world not here in washington in new york what is say not bruce willis in gaza when will you stop the incitement these is the real question don't talk to me from the western side of your mouth dr lee from bp in that they're a glorious autumn your mouth then i'll be radical various that you mean business which are the shock as the boat this vetting system of a conversation as the choir that the much closer grounds we need to set a book together and i don't really accept the accusation that the new book that with a forked tongue otherwise that accusation belongs to many more cortisone hours what i think that that is that we want to stop that

conflagration that confrontation and go back to be stable we are the occupy people and i wonder if you really have looked at the way our people are suffering and that your siege and civilians let nothing to do with the fighting are paying a heavy heavy price eighty percent of the people in gaza and sixty percent of the people in the west bank an employee and we have a situation of grave danger to the continuation all people you ought to consider that very seriously before making combination awful is at that blame i don't think that what that was was the claim out what next is it is that we don't get that should put a stop to this widens and move to end the growth of settlements and moved back into making negotiations on the ground and we should cooperate in doing that and we're ready mr schupp what about the world now of secretary of state powell what you walk in what do what does the palestinian authority

want him to do next week we would like just that boeing went when he's going through the area to make sure a timeline is put a time schedule in command the whole of the mitchell report and not only fire when the cease fire needs to be sustained the book was that mitchell says is the mitchell says you have to start of the cease fire but the fuel to sustain that you've got to have a freeze on settlement amateur into the political process that mitchell says and we've accepted mitchell altogether without those invasions i'd like mr paul to see to it that the timeline is put that as we are stopping our fire israelis too would stop putting their banks and ending this siege of the people of the civilian people that was the parliament gives a sign of his continued engagement together with a coalition of bees that also includes europe which as its best hope and the possibility of this is important because this sort of assurance that the two parties we wanted to give hope to

both people and he ended that he can because of the role america played and because of that there is not just the people in the naacp that in our country and in israel to have a little more have you see the role of force secretary powell next week a rhetorical point of the oil's forty agree with then the bill shocked about a potential ability of secretary of state which i've met the day before yesterday for very long discussion about this issue has to introduce or reintroduce hope into the region but i hope it's colin powell one coming with his military experience with his personal integrity and with his food made a full commitment to the values system that or of us democratic people really believe in i hope he will succeed to persuade the palestinians that long pause in shooting this cannot be part of the democratic process what about hanukkah when i have closures in some of the places and in most of the

places the closure was raised it is only in places in which the local palestinians do not obey the instructions that maybe they got maybe they did not get from yasser arafat's and therefore that endanger my children as long as my children will be in danger and had threats by local tourist my army will defend them that's the rule of the army the minutes the palestinians would say in a love to hear yourself are not a big shot billy billy from the leader himself stand up and say no more no more bloodshed i would like to say like to reassure want it ourself out you mean literally stopped the fire then we don't get to the table and we're processing as you what what what is yasser arafat's rhetorical response to that sort of challenge for most people as the club has done a unilateral unconditional immediate ceasefire in the president's office the official at the foreign minister of germany and is that they are

some representative of me so many of our lobby and we have done that with the senate and phrases fighter we buried so many of our kids that information it's going to bed a lot of our kids do and you're you're suckers are going on the rampage of the west bank and destroying everywhere it's going going to london and i lived in dublin won in a time of war is a while ago it still be happy with a shotgun advantage that i i don't think is blaming game blaze any advantage with a great impact of bar between us and the great impact of a difference between being occupied being occupied we are the party that needs security as much as people leave it and we are a party without security whatsoever of the va for control of your army and your settlers i'm much in any way sure to my responsibility i think we have also responsibility to do our best but you're in the

power for position often they can't control of our economy of all our movement of what our people be fair you also have to do things to create that these that hope among the palestinian people so that they would be in the consensus supporting our thoughts for the actions the consulate there could be thousands of poor you'll get any sympathy for that position but of course but of course i mean on the one who belongs for so many years to the peace camp in israel because i believe that the occupation corrupts it corrupts the occupier and it corrupts the occupied but his situation changed dramatically since also been on eighty percent of the palestinians on that the sovereignty of yasser arafat's and the palestinian authority we stay here about planned and not about people land is to be negotiated not to be killed over by terrorists who feels your peace process a minute jim scherr just learned with your permission as her and here comes a very very

important segment oh this elbow rock couple months ago was the mostly conciliatory prime minister ever offer the palestinian ninety seven percent off the land and the rest was on the debates instead of hearing walk is the palestinian alternative what is the positive response one of the reservations emotions we heard the shootings this is not a very persuasive democratic argument that was a wish you process it differently as jeff do with the palestinians assuming responsibility for the failure of that and that sound of the of that having not work i mean it means to brock did offer this of i didn't that didn't happen and the israelis always say this what has the palestinian response to that was to bark offered in ten david something totally different from what you offered in trouble in camp

david we were talking at best at an exceed fifteen percent of the west bank and leaving us in eighty five percent of the west bank which is altogether twenty two percent of the whole area of palestine upon which israel has started and then occupied the rest of the west bank and gaza between camp david and papa that where improvements and it's reached the ninety four percent plus the prison swap which would've given ninety seven percent of any occupied in nineteen sixty seven and david had absolutely nothing offered on the refugees nothing serious offered on jerusalem as the capital of the recovering state of palestine and the state of israel in east and west jerusalem within the system we agreed in camp david as well as in bob was they wanted to keep at least in public at military bases in the jordan river wanted to continue for control of the skies of the palestinian state want the borders without any sovereignty to the palestinian state there were some things that

we find acceptable there were things that we needed to re negotiate mr beinart right to impose a take it or leave it to the proposition and can they with which we will not have taken but we should've continued in probably will not responsible and problems the board himself felt that it's immoral to cite a piece in bubble when there was a week after the elections we're going to be we would know the party that the way we are good going from here now from this point on with a shock you first an interview with the board is it impossible for the two sides to you to alanna mean you two individuals to work this out by yourself isn't always going to require the united states and the europeans and whatever i negotiated with a loan shark in nineteen ninety three ninety four alone the gaza jericho agreement without it imagine what it wants from the united states or any party when there was a trust between the two parties

when the late it's hyper being led israel and was a real partner and the peace of the grave of bizarre thought it was possible i think it's still possible in palo alto they make a lot of gobble but we've got to escape stick at ourself from the position where it now to get away from the abyss in doing to negotiations again but more outwardly a lot of trust here for me than either of you there will be a trust because these big is between enemies a little and should become friends couple of days ago and talked to my daughter and we spoke about yes and she told me daddy you must understand that it is much more difficult to be hopeful or after you disappointed then being hopeful before you were disappointed and a kiss from the israeli point of view i take it from humanitarian point of view from the boston assad as well people are disappointed now it supports past leaders to look inside ourselves and say a we're ready to make an historic compromise with our dreams and after i

compromise my dream i can come out and talk to the other side you know at this time of the year after nine months that we feel on the receiving sought and i do not want to under estimate the frustration and the anger at the policy aside because they are angry and they because they are frustrated i really feel for it but still over sixty percent of the israelis are ready to make painful compromises in order to achieve these leases that human ground and deep popular vote for making peace i'm not at all sure that as for now we have sixty percent of the palestinian nabil of shocked people already to make these things that are sixty percent like these on their side so all of us then when they couldn't afford the children of us or is officially have that majority and we are ready to continue to be trapeze line thank you both very much

thank you very much as now i look at news leaks triggered by those about the federal investigation of senator robert torricelli democrat of new jersey media correspondent karen smith reports i hadn't publicly raised fighting we're not even from the often combative democratic senator from new jersey robert torricelli who says he's been the subject of a smear campaign the city elected in nineteen ninety six and up for re election next year has enjoyed the spotlight for his high flying social life and the high octane presence in the senate but now his personal in campaign finances are under intense investigation his accusers say he has stretched campaign finance laws and patted his legislative salary with questionable deaths including italian made suits a

rolex watch and gold cufflinks dr sally denies any wrongdoing and contends that the department of justice is under attorney general john ashcroft is leaking details of the investigation to the press particularly the new york times this despite the fact that the inquiry is being handled by the us attorney in manhattan mary jo white a clinton appointee and in a letter his lawyer asked for a special prosecutor to take over the investigation they'll hear the letter says the leaks coming out of the department have turned into a flood and that criminal charges against the seller could lead to return of the united states senate to republican control there or not ready for asking for the special prosecutor souter caroselli took his case to the media this i had been shocked at how much people who take an oath to defend the law are willing to leak information plant stories

sometimes true often false it has been it has been a learning experience more recently congressional colleagues have come to this does that congressman john conyers the ranking democrat on the house judiciary committee grilled ashcroft at one hero elected officials like everyone else in this country deserve to be tried in the courts and not in the press and i am sorry to say that when it comes to senator robert torricelli your justice department has been leaking like niagara falls conyers question who was feeding the press information leading to headlines implying the center's nickname the torch such as this one torch is toast fans we have enough evidence to indict new jersey senator torricelli at you or any member of your staff never discussed senator torres so it's case with anyone employed by the white house a

republican senate or a republican congressman or his or her staff or any employee of the republican national committee have i ever mention the torricelli matter to anyone else yes i just mention that you hear in the committee and obviously i've mentioned that people i was a member of the senate when the iconic items have come up the new york times which has covered the story extensively has been labeled by torricelli as lawyers as a principle beneficiary of the leaks its reporters especially tim golden have repeatedly cited people involved in the case and my reporting often giving detailed accounts of what witnesses allegedly have told investigators this front page article which appeared april eighteen reported that the probes focus had shifted to allegations the torricelli received gifts and cash from a businessman former

supporter and friend david chat chang is cooperating with investigators as part of a plea agreement in which he admitted to illegally contributing more than fifty thousand dollars to duracell his nineteen ninety six campaign the story prompted the senator to convene a hastily arranged press conference perhaps iran some enemies in government and dj they betrayed you last week two leading democratic senators asked ashcroft in this letter to instruct his subordinates to ensure that these leaks are stopped and to identify those responsible for and democrats newly in control of the senate they have raised the possibility of conducting hearings into the leaks for more on the torricelli investigation and the media attention it's getting we

turn to the sanders congressional colleague representative john conyers of michigan to evan thomas of newsweek assistant managing editor who's covering the torricelli case and the john barrett a former federal prosecutor and justice department official who is now a professor at saint john's university school of law for the record we invited senator torricelli and prosecutor mary jo white to join us tonight both the glossy cover i welcome you all congressman conyers you and your colleagues have been accusing the justice department of being the source of these leaks what's your evidence of that well one of them is the newspaper that you a big media showing again i show the tour as for the attorney general last there about eleven other quotes from newspapers and wire services all over the country but i don't think that anybody questions whether it makes no problem though is the failure of the department of justice

to investigate the leaks and talking about you recused yourself from the arc from which this doesn't mean that you're recused yourself as attorney general from investigating leaks and a matter that has a sensitive as this namely the removal of all one democratic senator could change the balance in the composition of the leadership of the united states senate and are using that that's the model for these legs well there was there was today's acted checkered said that changed a lot the party that we begin to get these lakes so i wish i could find out what the motives and what it was doing what but we know but the department of justice isn't doing his job when i asked the attorney general are as anybody in the white house are but the top republican officials or been in touch with anybody in the department of justice or you

know he says i don't know right he did by evan thomas that you've covered cases like this before you've covered this case an indie there has been a drumbeat of stories about why these leaks different either qualitatively are quantitatively know i think this is a pretty typical case there are an awful lot of leaks the new york times that's true but i think you've seen it in a record they're always leaks when a us senator is being investigated by the feds you have links but i think a congressman is assuming an awful lot to say that this is a direct feed by the justice department to get a democratic senator one thing typical in these cases are reporters are just four said they do some reporting and i'll often they talk to witnesses and they pick up a little bit of information from the witnesses are from the lawyers and then they take a little bit of information and they get some more information from the feds the feds were typically are confirming

they just spewing out the information that to begin with or without getting into sources and this specific case i can say the pattern is more indirect and a direct feed from a prosecutor my friends that's the most beautiful russian armored today our and other words that it's okay for the department of justice hi they took place the officials to be quoted saying they've got enough evidence that died and and we're not supposed to think that that's wrong because they do the wrong thing constantly when members of congress or high ranking officials are a bar restaurant okay congressman lemay us got professor john barrett who has been a federal prosecutor himself has dealt with these issues what you think of them are they roll as the congressman says or of a more routine as seven thousand dollars well i am i'm afraid i'm in agreement with both both my colleagues there

isn't a deeply offensive quality to this kind of reporting it offends anyone sense of fair play and if it's coming from the government is indeed misconduct and perhaps criminal what evan thomas is correct about though is that it's it's right for journalists to report on these cases and it's common for journalists to get someplace often because people who are part of the government but are in the loop of the investigation the witnesses were cooperating people were testifying and the lawyers who are defending all of them are there for the journalist to talk to so i think they're both right and the whole picture is combining probably some governments speech with some non government speech in all it's bad for torricelli now to clarify professor batt as i understand it it would be illegal yes the prosecutors around and when the leak information that have been turned over to the grand jury yes but accelerate zero right there it's a very narrow category of information the only thing that prevented by that federal rule is disclosure of information on matters before the grand jury that doesn't restrict

prosecutors or one forced many agents from talking about their own thinking they're all hypotheses their tentative conclusions their investigative findings outside of the grand jury process what people have said to them during informal interviews what documents they've uncovered on her own outside of the grand jury looked at all of that is uncovered by this grand jury secrecy rule does violate this is not an ordinary case this is a case in which the control of the united states senate turns and so to say that this is routine business why don't we just get an outside counsel and why doesn't the attorney general have the decency and civility to investigate the leaks an anesthetist can you tell from what you know where which category these leaks if they are leaks that into over the survivors are not that that's the attorney general's staff and you have in fact in basque as for the son of an investigation we've

sent that we sent the attorney general a dozen questions about this we've asked for an investigation we've asked for outside counsel and the weekend to nothing out of him he doesn't know he said i've recuse myself so i don't know if my department's leaking are not exactly as implied that he doesn't care evan thomas is it realistic in a case like this when so much detail information about the investigations come out is it realistic to believe that that comes from an eu where other the prosecutors yet initially it comes from a lot of different sources no prize committee can firming some of that but there are a lot of parties involved in this case there are witnesses there are little fish that prosecutors have gone after on their way to a fishing for the big fish there is not all that hard to get information these cases typically typically the prosecutors in the role of confirming some and i'm not excusing that infect with granger

information it's illegal but it doesn't begin with approach we're talking about quotes from federal officials and us attorneys were not talking about little variation outside information what the the citations i have are from justice department investigators federal agents fbi wiretap that's not little fish and fooling around this is coming this is an orchestrated activity and by the way have you seen the letter that then senator ashcroft sonata about torricelli and which cheap literally guilty of corruption before it ever become literature to write i wasn't can i do know about that yes we do that was a campaign leather bound to it is on the record professor america well i think that without congressman conyers is right and i hope he understands that we're in really quite great agreement that it isn't as if the

government is doing this to sender torricelli evan thomas is right and evan thomas frankly is reporting this case so when he says there are witnesses and their lawyers were providing information i think that that's very important that's that's information to take to the bank but that confirming that he points to is where the misconduct begins with that confirming is being done by the government it's unfair if it's confirming grand jury activity it's illegal law professor burt don't you think that we ought to investigate the leaks why you were you is that their duty in that russia believes investigators believe that probably outside counsel well that's the question under the attorney general's regulations that is obviously in his discretion is standard say that if there are special circumstances and it would serve the public interest many could change prosecutors from the traditional department just as prosecutor mary jo white in the current case to a special appointee something like senator dan fourth bid on the waco matter last year or it was done in the

bill gray case or in the building and how to dress as a law i'm not where let's investigate and late summer season ever family name in history leads investigations as they do not finally because yes they produce are not willing to put the journalists under oath and forced them before but this source of the department as this faraway both making em in the bill gray case and they were rounded up and they were fired based only example unaware of the last decade i don't think he writes about this are you as a former prosecutor arguing that these rules should be tightened up well i think that they're leading law enforcement is really demanding and highly important position that requires restraint and it's a top down process that's hard when you get way down the ladder but a us attorney and attorney general whoever is that was

commissioned queer commands down through the troops to keep your mouth shut okay i hope that's happened in this case time is what are you and other democrats on the hill going to do about this world where we're trying to get the attorney general to do what he added to allah namely investigate the leaks are mainly appoint an outside counsel oh we want to see if this is a violation of our love the rules of procedure sixty eight up but we weren't were trying to you know we're not trying to find the keys we're just trying to see that justice is done and by the way the criminal justice in america is under severe scrutiny right now and i think if this is what can happen to a united states senator baker walker happened to ordinary citizens okay gentlemen were actually the devon and i thank you all three by much larger thank you finally tonight another

poem from them poet laureate robert pinsky is project asking americans to read their favorite all the nights reader is seth rodney a photographer in long beach california i remember this very well nick jimenez really upset is a bleak situation and mind to go out with this girl and i just ended up feeling very that at the end of it is to work out the way i wanted to hit by december theory can only imagine breaux after i suppose a camera when i opened this book and then some cones and other that point i think my physical which you is that it was always with grandiose however that on haifa movies i have gotten very

leone way of using language to this stuff and i could not believe it it was light years beyond anything else i've ever read it was powerful it was rough it was bitter it was caustic it was at the same time really urgent about a need for love just amazed at is a woman who was from a very well heeled new england existence and the stuff that she won't really spoke to me a man a jamaican immigrant anti we could hardly get to begin what more distant in terms of social economic intellectual and down and villagers realities but as she spoke to me she spoke to me she

spoke it seems to actually to my life an hour because of that i am and always loved homework and i think in some ways our work was have an entree for me into a larger world of art you know the grass are looking at other poets and started looking at the world and enjoy it is because of china i think you can have deep profound transformative experiences but in a quiet setting and i think actually that quiet setting and i think of this in terms of my life in creating this kind of emotional hush it's it's a place where you can who you are can come to an gain access to these other places

maisel reapply but i am a minute the line berns and blue waxy start touching tribute and drinking tea is the earth and move exudes the mist dead boredom black that area's rap me that the shoals called a coma science they were looked to me like clowns ok well calcium icicles old echo or even the new tool like those wholly jokes and the fish fish christ they are paintings of ice of bison knives up a lot of a legend drinking his first communion out of mind live chose

the camel goats and the covers a small altitude it's yellow so hard today oh love how did you get here old embryo remembering even and sleep your cross position london new screen in a new movie they have a new way to me is not your mother's love love i have a han are caitlin rose's with soft runs the last a victorian of let the stars plummet to their doctor just let the mercuric atoms that cripple drip into the total well you all the one solid the spaces lean on envious you other baby in the law i love this

poem because it's crazy because his headlong it's brutal it goes all over the place and it does not proceed rationally mean the first line is i am a miner and the light burns blue your mind that if one leg what led what are you talking about and the last line is like is give from the government for the record we had planned to bring you a report on making air conditioners more energy efficient at fashion but as you know this term at least discussion ran longer than planned we'll bring you that report on another time at another time again the major story of this thursday in addition to the middle east fourteen people were indicted in the nineteen ninety six money of the us air force housing facility in saudi arabia nineteen us servicemen were killed in that attack will see

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leifer mm mm good evening i'm jim lehrer on the newshour tonight the speaker of the israeli parliament and a palestinian authority official assess their fragile cease fire tom beard looks at making air conditioners more energy efficient karen smith uses the torricelli case to examine the pros and cons of leaking to the press and a california photographer reads his favorite poem at all follows us on rhythm is this thursday major funding for the newshour with jim lehrer has been provided by i imagine some of the comments it

has been this program was also made contributions to the pbs station continues like anything anymore there were indictments today in the bombing of the us air force housing facility in saudi arabia at nineteen us servicemen were killed in that attack five years ago ray suarez reports fbi director louis freeh and attorney general john ashcroft announced the indictments at a news conference in washington today a federal grand jury in alexandria virginia return an indictment charging fourteen individuals with murder attempted murder of federal employees conspiracy to commit murder and conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction related to the

june twenty fifth nineteen ninety six terrorist bombing of the cold war towers dormitory complex in saudi arabia at ten pm on that truck packed with more than two tons of explosives was detonated outside the us air force housing complex near downtown about two hundred miles from riyadh in addition to the night in america gets more than five hundred people were injured many of the military personnel who lived in the compound their units their patrols over nearby rock charged in the bombing were thirteen saudis and one lebanese who took directions from unnamed an uninvited members of the iranian government the indictment explains that elements of the iranian government inspired supported and supervised members of saudi law in particular the indictment alleges that the charge defendants reported their surveillance activities to iranian officials and were supported and directed in those activities by iranian have

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