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etc good evening i'm judy woodruff welcome to this saturday edition of the macneil lehrer newshour tonight we get an update on last night's fatal airliner crashed in los angeles then we review the week of more and roger mudd looks at a rack a strategy and friendly fire next an analysis of rising hatred of the us and support for saddam hussein in the arab world and finally voices from kansas on the soldiers and the war they're fighting funding for the newshour has been provided by pepsico and by at and t

and made possible by the financial support of viewers like you and the corporation for public broadcasting two us war planes were shot down today apparently by iraqi anti aircraft artillery fire the us command refused to give any more detail as long as search and rescue is still underway the planes were identified as a turncoat support aircraft normally used against tanks it carries a one man crew the other was in a six intruder a low level attacks balmer with the crew to us is now lost fifteen planes in combat in addition one marine was reported killed and two wounded maya cluster bomb apparently dropped by the allies there was little ground activity today the military officials reported a fifteen minute skirmish when us army reconnaissance patrol opened fire on iraqi patrols preparing for an ambush the incident took place several miles inside the saudi border just west of the kuwaiti town of law for

american forward patrols have been under intense pressure as the ground war heats up that were pool reporter linda vitello filed this report real scout unit near the front for three nights iraqi tanks have tested the marine life the firefight visible on the horizon carrying scouts described as a cat and mouse game iraqis pushing across the border the marines raising to push them back and it was a confusing situation there was lots of four going on with friendly forces poster of an american all intermingled expected sure a lot of self restraint <unk> we did shoot many saudis the saudi shadows time to pull their troops to iraq by the next day the crew of the light armored vehicle nicknamed black flag had painted an iraqi tank on the side of their tow missile one confirmed to kill and

likely a second one although the reconnaissance teams have been unable to confirm it both missiles were fired by the same token or a twenty eight year old marine corporal who modestly refused to say much about it did you expect it from a vantage point overlooking the no man's land that separate the marines from the iraqis the dead tank is barely visible just beyond it stretches the twelve foot high defense a berm built by the saudis along the border with kuwait the marines believe the iraqis are crossing here to test the reaction and look for weak points for a larger attack iraq he's pushed through again these light armored infantry security forces much more in the huge marine division in camp in the desert behind them they believe for now that the iraqi tanks have retreated to their defensive positions iraq again launched scud missile attacks today an israeli army

officials said one landed in central israel an area which includes the occupied west bank there were no reports of casualties or damage sirens also went off in riyadh and gone in saudi arabia official said one scud missile was fired is that it was intercepted and destroyed my us patriotism he raps army newspaper today said that a rat would use whatever is necessary to defeat allied forces in the gulf war front page editorial said iraqi leadership and people will not give up their country and will use whatever power and weapons are our disposal starting from kitchen knives to weapons of mass destruction the president of iran ali akbar hashemi rafsanjani today said appease letter to erect saddam hussein it follows several days of meetings in tehran with iraq's deputy prime minister ros and johnny said the only solution to the warped view of raffi withdraw from kuwait and the withdrawal of all foreign forces from the

region said iran would do everything in a capacity to bring the current crisis to an end president bush's officially designated tomorrow is the national day of prayer during a radio address today the president urged americans of every faith at this moment men and women of courage endured stand on the harsh desert and sailors seasons ago by their presence there bearing witness to the fact that the triumph of the moral order it's the vision that compels us us pray for the safety of the troops these men and women who put their lives in dreams on hold because they understand the threat our world faces rescue workers today continued their search to the wreckage from last night's plane crash at los angeles international airport at least thirteen people were killed twenty five injured in another twenty are still unaccounted for officials said a us air is seven thirty

seven was landing when it collided with the departing skywest commuter jet seven thirty seven and slammed into a building roger mudd has more now on the situation in los angeles roger judy there were twelve passengers aboard the skywest commuter all believed to have died in the accident however the final count of those killers still uncertain late this afternoon we asked ron lieber vice president of sales and planning for skywest airlines flight was taking so long to establish the death toll well first of all we arrive late last night and got out on the seine is obviously dark art there was fuel at the same vale are doing their best to clean that up but fairly early in the evening they decided that they should at least postpone what they were doing until the morning till i could see better and possibly get the fuel out situation itself by postponing the year operation doesn't mean that the people

left all the us air play more are presumed dead i would think were very safe in that assumption i mean i can't imagine that they would be in any a chance for survivors and they would have no held off on the evacuation efforts at that point and there were no survivors on the skywest point is a career again last night we held out some tall because of the darkness and the fact that many people have been taken very hospitals we had hoped last night that possibly were some survivors on our ship by this morning we have determined that there wasn't much of a chance of surviving skywest would you describe the scene there as you saw a poll last night mr robert alt last night again under some lights it was obvious that the two aircraft came together in quite a high impact they either had traveled across the runways and taxi ways together and can't dress a disability i'm sure you've seen with your camera crews their participants and fire it wasn't very clear last night the extended family

this morning the time i spent out there who has a little more obvious that at least in terms of surviving the side of survivability on the skywest the airplane was relatively low a one spokesman for the national safety board said that the sky a west point was not recognizable as apply is not accurate either i think that's fairly accurate the airplane was enough support he says that even if you didn't know that there was an airplane and the seven thirty seven three hundred and it was not easy to tell that there was another aircraft involved the wire reports say that the us airplane which was landing collided with a sky west play which was taxiing is that the right verb to use collided or did it simply crush the us by west line i would i just be speculated hardy guess exactly how the two aircraft came together by the ntsb is here at this point either on the field today they will reconvene at five pm and

at seven thirty hold a press conference i hope we'll know more then and possibly answer that question was just i was plane taxiing on the same runway that the us airplane was using the land know i think that again like i couldn't tell that from what i saw last night or this morning and i think we'll just have to wait and see what the investigation was whether a factor i it out again i don't believe it was a factor i haven't heard whether been brought up is that how was given your information were so many us air passengers able to walk away i think twenty got out unscathed are you would be even more amazing if you were to see the the aircraft it is it's really it's truly an incredible that many passengers got away from or with without injury yeah i think he was just a just one of those things that have happened for

why do you wear a lot of the wrong a rubber vice president of spy once thank you government officials in pakistan estimate at least three hundred people died in yesterday's earthquake hundred and sixty four deaths have been confirmed a pakistani newspaper said that snow clogged roads have prevented rescue workers from reaching the hardest hit remote villages the quake measured six point eight on the richter scale was centered in neighboring afghanistan and felt the two central asian republics of the soviet union in south africa today african national congress leader nelson mandela welcomed president after the declared plan to repeal remaining apartheid laws by june the proposal was announced yesterday what mandela said there was still more to be done left we're home i'm

terry gross that tear as long you know for the political activity and has long that they're slaughtered we cannot talk that's it for our summary of the day's top stories just ahead on the newshour a look back at the week of war and some questions about what happen rising hatred of the us and support for saddam in the arab world and voices on the war from kansas we go now to the war in the gulf and how it has progress this past week the war is in its seventeenth a day with more than five hundred thousand us troops involved with ever operation desert storm correspondent elizabeth bracket has our review a high

troops in the desert and there were many of us ended our hearts and saudi arabia super bowl sunday was actually suitable monday even within two am kickoff temperatures in the forties and no beer super bowl half a world away the us forces or is below the sticks with the troops on the ground the football game broke the monotony of a waiting game the marines way for action on the kuwaiti border and only seen the war fly overhead unheard of rumblings in the distance with the exception of drag artillery attacks launched against iraqi physicians somewhere on the other side these guns have remained quiet since the war began on north

korea if brazil or a cross border target your it was orchestrated for yourself thirty years everybody enjoys killing court for a service is joyce or do they want a fight and this is because it fears of people thought so by killing the weekend and the persian gulf war was still an air war or allied aircraft at twenty two thousand patients in the first eleven days declared air superiority almost immediately now the coalition was pleased if not be mystified to report that iraqi pilots were flying in their get out of the conflict and into iran now why the iranians are allowing them to do that and what agreements it just between the two countries but don't know but i do know that iran has stayed on several occasions that they intend to abide by the

un sanctions of a methamphetamine around here so i think the reason that the allies also reported success in responding to saddam hussein's acts of terrorism despite missile attacks which dominated our attention during the first ten days of the war are now regarded as more of a nuisance this data are being effectively neutralized by patriot missile launches and the number of attacks in saudi arabia and israel began to dwindle think continuous flow of oil into the persian golf also slowed to a trickle or iraqi forces allegedly had opened the pipes have to see alan terminal off the coast of kuwait spilling millions of barrels of crude oil into the gulf oil and military experts agree the only way to stop the flow would be to attack the valves at the terminal last saturday air force f one alive has launched a surgical strike and by midweek it appeared to have worked tuesday

night determined president bush announced a joint session of congress and the world that fourteen days into a war with a theme of going to plan tonight i am pleased to report that we are on course iraq's capacity to sustain war he's being destroyed our investment are training are planning all are paying off time will not be sad and salvation general norman schwarzkopf commander of allied forces in the golf ball the president's state of the union address resisting the war report first phase what we want to do with a stroke leadership in our control destroy centralized air defense command control attack combat aircraft in the air and on the ground achieve your superiority a damaged nuclear biological and chemical storage of production capability and commence attack on republicans are a once we have that don we plan to go into a second phase

which was to destroy the air defense radars and missiles and the kuwaiti year of operation to achieve undisputed could fall of the air some people call and air supremacy and finally this oversupply live in the two eighth year of operation schwarzkopf briefings replete with visuals photographs that show the flow of oil hits that is it showed their attacks on hardened shelters and moles cut launchers and then bridges and supply routes oh very top of wednesday's briefing was the most comprehensive and optimistic report by the military since the war had begun in contrast however the fact that us forces had just entered a new phase of the war a ground war seemed almost an afterthought by yesterday evening we have an impact in that area by what was estimated to be a rocky mechanized with it across the border iraqi troops and tanks in kuwait had crossed the saudi border into locations eleven us marines were killed for scuttling the first

urban beginning late tuesday and into early wednesday iraqi armored division's launched a four pronged attack into saudi arabia saddam hussein called the attacks the start of it thunderstorms desert and had reportedly personally planned much of the offensive himself nina us forces were able to repel much of the assault which occurred along a twenty five mile stretch of the saudi border but iraqi forces were able to dig in apache saudi coastal town that general schwarzkopf called insignificant he's engaged in fierce fighting iraqi soldiers held onto crafty for nearly thirty six hours after one retreat allied forces led by troops from saudi guitar mounted a counterattack us marines applied the artillery fire and cobra helicopters attacked from the air they were helped by two marines were trapped inside a party the teens called in artillery fire

perilously close to their own hiding places we stop shaking for myself probably get more job growth iraqi forces were finally pushed out of poverty thursday afternoon issues significant land battle of the war revealed the chaos and complexity of a ground war it was often hard to tell friend from foe one marine reported that saudi unit under fire indiscriminately fired that iraqis and allies alike and us military officials are investigating reports that some of the eleven us marines last may have been killed by friendly fire no wonder the older somber visit one of ali's a gun and don't have any friends was going to go or china go far right i am by no means sure that though that was a result of friendly fire as i say the command looking into it i am

certain that is who has a risk to it and at week's end the air war continued unabated over iraqi for the first time television cameras captured the side of us a tomahawk cruise missiles as they whistled over the skies of baghdad civilians reported heavy damage in residential neighborhoods at the us command continued to insist only strategic military sites were being targeted it's an analysis of the gulf war now roger mcguinn charge with this are two experts on ground war so julie retired general john what was not only a battalion commander in vietnam but also commander in chief or forces in korea and army chief of staff from nineteen eighty three to eighty seven retired marine reserve colonel darryl turner he began as a rifleman and career was wounded in vietnam later commanded an infantry regiment was the deputy secretary of defense and since iraqi invasion has been a civilian advisor to the marine commandant gentlemen looking back over this last week what do we now know about the iraqi army that we didn't know a week

ago right here actually because it illustrates some of the things that surprises that said they were able to function at night time we didn't think they had that kind of night vision capability and obviously they've recorded from pro european sources babies very unsophisticated but nonetheless a capability the fact that they're able to be aggressive with iran iraq war showed that they undertake these kinds of tactics and the soviet doctrine that they have practiced and they've learned from soviet advisers does involve aggressive action why did they undertake this action that such incredible losses they've done probably for two reasons i think one of them is for psychological reasons to demonstrate arab nations that the iraqi leadership is going to be aggressive and it's not going to continue to take this punishment without question back probably be great some support among arab nations but there's another dimension to it and that is i think they've tried to see some initiative even at great cost of life

and equipment to try to affect the timetable for the ground war and i suspect there's going to be more of these kinds of things as he comes out of the apparent positions with forces at nighttime your tank columns that move we're very rapidly even at nighttime on more difficult targets then prepared positions because the tanks are moving they got the air defense systems with them that are very effective against they can lose another close air support and i think we're going to see more of this because of the practice of trying to keep the coalition forces golf cart and try to affect the timetable and also probably to try to seize some sort of political high ground with a negotiated settlement downstream the alternative to what he's doing now is just to accept enormous punishment and setting his goals for oh oh what did you learn about the iraqi army oh

that you didn't know before night vision my vision limited attack almost no echo at the soviet doctrine has massive ago when we found here that there was only a limited amount of artillery support or is it it's going to come sooner or later when these problems are more concerned about the accuracy because it should biggest killer on the battlefield in the kitchen and were you surprised that the iraqis were able to go into crafting and hold it out without being detected in the first instance and hold it for thirty six hours that indicates some the unified command of the mechanized oh yes definitely mechanized operation small scale dave level thought was a brigadier general again it was only a limited attack six miles and he can get there in fourteen minutes what we find out about it is he has some holes in the line that fortified long he may have had some of his own mind but there are some holes that we've all heard about the three mile wide death

tolls to the south do you think as a result of what you saw and cough to that there's been any change brought in our general war plan or strategy i would say none not non and i think for him it's a couple of good points about lanes through the defensive belt putting lanes through a defensive belt for patrols to go out and to comeback in his common practice among professionals and eight one of the things that the iraqis learned in the eight year war there roy ms sipple of defense and they have lanes in their very difficult for us to find those lines on the forward edge to get into them and they can close the method that workforce is another point it makes about artillery he's right they are largely said three times the number of artillery weapons said rocket launchers that the coalition forces have and most of them will shoot longer range than we do why didn't he use those are our capabilities in karachi it's a querulous issue but he's probably concerning ammunition he doesn't want to bring counter battery

pack on on them and that is another ace in the hole is likely to be deployed in accordance with soviet doctrine of president bush said that the ground war would begin if necessary and when we say it'll begin do you believe in the offending more there's no if about a ground war anymore so there's gonna be one isn't it i hope there is no ground war i know you hope but i mean i would like to see the air war play out as long as as we possibly can weather permitting capabilities permitting to do as much massive damage as we can to try to break the back over the iraqi military capabilities but as everyone has said the ground option needs to be an ultimate capability that we might have to use that are choosing not to be triggered by saddam hussein bernard using bottles of you have mentioned several times of the soviet tactic his act where the iraqi army

learned if it touches on where the tactics remove from the soviet fall the advisor charlie quit but folliard trying falling about what what is the soviet doctrine massive artillery columns armor on a narrow from successive waves are successive columns moving through that through those that reaches exploitation get to the bacteria's get into the soft so logistics of thing about the area is carried up disrupt the communications in here and just keep pushing through that hole with everything they've got they modified it to roger it with the year war with iran in iraq but it is they have soviet doctrine and one of the dimensions of soviet doctrine is this massive artillery almost home to home concentrating at high speed high speed but no not really because the iran iraq war was largely static it was not a great deal of maneuver except towards the end of it but there are two phenomenon and doctrine that they have adopted and we may see part of that in the county in

cement and we may see more but later on one of them is called the use of cooperation maneuver groups forces a brigade up to the vision and corse eyes that will strike out try to corrupt havoc in the rear ear of the forces are closing and then come back in and another one is called reconnaissance try complex which is the use of the intensive artillery and rocket launcher capability to try to destroy command and control and logistics capabilities have news that yet but they have that capability in terms of the range and in terms of munitions my guess is that the iraqis have at least six months of heavy work time consumption of ammunition available to them and they haven't used that hopefully we had pulverized some of that with this intense of aerial activity we don't know let me out let me ask you about another phrase from the golf world we've heard tonight friendly fire meaning being a hitter killed by a moment that a

parent is a real possibility that the first dozen us combat deaths were from friendly fire and this is what major general robert johnson said this morning at the military briefing about in riyadh a weird combo right now and at night the year that you have not yet seen the intensity of combat and there will be other currencies some of our troops potentially being a victim of friendly fire if you look at the speed in the year the involvement of tanks against tanks you're going to find that an intensity a battle it is not easy to tell sometimes a four wheeled vehicle from a six wheeled vehicle so i'm afraid these things are going to occur i think in a very active hostile environment curly do you think it's important for the press and ultimately the american public to know how our men died certain you do the snob our future of you know i think what's important is that each bullet makes its own characteristic penetration you

can tell what type happen if it was a thirty millimeter or it wasn't specific shale get it get it before the vehicle was already bonded was it the first one that killed or was either later in that battlefield the marines said it was just a whole life so the question was if it was hit but it's not so much that it was hit by that typo that a thirty millimeter round that was it the one that killed the vehicle was already a good of a friendly foreign is no no new phenomenon is it now rogers not i remember even in the at them as a battalion commander that we had artillery on friendly forces and my own battalion and tactical error because we were close proximity a north vietnamese and viet cong so it is not an uncommon phenomenon clearly we don't want it injure our own people but when you get in close proximity as joe johnson indicated in your cake we're the fog complicates and makes it very difficult particularly if we have a coalition forces now and they have foreign vehicles as he indicated six wheeled vehicles

four wheeled vehicles obscure rationed nighttime dust smoke to discern which vehicles with it but there are other factors when things move very rapidly to know where your location is precisely and for artillery in tactical error to know where your position is precisely to avoid casualties we had in peace time in training maneuvers artillery mortars and we're likely to have four more than that does not me that our troops are not well trained and then we are careless and cavalier about the use of firepower david do i detect know a new willingness in the military to talk about fairness and openness i mean you remember the book buyers to be the bridal friendly fire and how the family and i was bad years getting the military to admit that their son had been killed by friendly fire is there a willingness now to talk about it i think there is bad news doesn't get better with age and i think it's better to be for coming and let it would be out there were

doing investigations may be unfriendly fire but let's get it out when the israelis went into lebanon they lost about twenty percent of their own vehicles for their own fire from from a five hundred percent at twenty percent of their passion for what you find then is identification an acquisition of that card you can't take a second look and as a mature as a mature in a battlefield they will settle down and do it a little bit better a little bit safer but the fact that they're talking and telling you openly we did it it causes the person is a poignant quoted often post this morning from an army sergeant who says that alternate ways towards to be ways to buy your own gut well what this and he's right but there is a practical circumstance associated with it and everyone who's been under fire realizes the risks whether its enemy fire or friendly fire you have to do your job in the clothes you're going to get to

the enemy the greater the risks are likely to be like a general i think you can think of we focus next on growing support for saddam hussein in the arab world as the iraqi leader who has occupied one arab country and declared war and another continues to hold out against allied bombing from north africa to the west bank and in such non arab islamic countries is he ran and pakistan saddam is winning some popular respect for surviving seventeen days of war against the coalition that includes egypt syria the gulf states and morocco the most illustrative support for rappers and palestinians those in areas now occupied by israel and an arab countries were other stateless palestinians live and work such as this group in the gulf state of

oman palestinians represent nearly half the population in jordan support for saddam to spread even further as we hear in this report from atlanta was independent television news describe the battle for catchy as the rocky major success with many americans taken prisoner including women soldiers at univision news is reporting to help yeah like a mini night soldiers were killed he's eight years old

we get three perspectives now mohammad hockey is a former egyptian journalist and government official who served as press spokesman for president mubarak is now washington bureau chief of the saudi newspaper okaz twenty ten they're down is the senior diplomatic correspondent or i'll hijack an arabic newspaper published in london and circulated throughout the arab world has shown no longer is washington correspondent for the lebanese newspaper assets here is to know where exactly is support for saddam and increasingly see clearly in jordan but where else it's increasingly popular almost forgettable on the state level each country's pursuing the same policies pursued sizzle sizzle is the second on the popular level there's a growing support for iraq that there's a sense of cairo and dismay at the amount

of destruction that has been visited on the rockies there is no other a sense of defiance and supportive of work for an arab country that the standing up to essentially western onslaught and that support is this really afford a lot more so than force of dunces innovations at me so enjoy or else that even in those countries are officially standing a good guess about egypt as madison says they're ending the department of mood is shifting towards iran is a great sympathy in certain in syria forces toward the autism in giving the historical show social intermarriage between the two countries the same in egypt certainly in north africa and of course among the palestinians and the jordanians and in yemen and in such uncertainties about how to support breakdown along religious lines ethnic lines as a christian and how would i beg to differ slightly from that they perform this point as far as egypt is concerned at least because from everything that i hear and then we got on the phone with our friends and colleagues editors

of newspapers and so the value that the company and the numbers are really small but that because that among the fundamentalist muslim fundamentalists they're also among the non sites in the moccasins on with these according to sam investments is who is mubarak's adviser at more than fifteen percent in the navy you can more or less without it it would i see also is that the fact that we have a good case that communication in in in the sense that it didn't end up in a town newspaper in which one of the foremost writers would say everybody listens to the bbc you have the ads are looking for the moral compass if you'd really have a good case against it because they're not used to have good communication with people stayed open to mediate between the government of egypt and that the people in general and people are just saying it's a it's a small proportion relatively fifteen percent

i would say that if you have any honest or it would be you don't eat enough of what's going on and egypt or in syria for that matter because they are not let know what is going on but i feel that that is quite another popular uprising there in fact that understanding that issue as having gone beyond the occupation of kuwait and eight fifth perceive that as there an intent on stopping iraq and then you have the other camp to egyptian camp and the gulf states saying let's get back to the issue and that issue is the occupation of kuwait and get that is to get our differences amongst the governments and that difference is probably amongst the people but the general feeling is that that fundamentalism is going quite strongly and it is in that it would and this time when the only viable opposition and therefore unfortunately any what we wanted to walk in the last fight and they were afraid of which is fanaticism and fundamentalism it is now it has become that it not to express national emotions and

therefore that saddam is not a fundamental exactly but then because fundamentalism is the only viable position a few when he ate it has picked and on to china you would find even secular as those who have lived their lives for a motivation for promoting secular as in they find themselves either in the same line with the fundamentalists or what were overshadowed by the fundamentalists but that is because it's challenging and emotion or feeling politically political statement if you will but it has nothing to do with some gunk the man has something to do with the city to put together a business to know how much of this was inevitable how much of this was going to happen once the war started no matter what and how much of it has to do with just the day after day bombing absolutely again this has not been supported saddam's vision necessarily certainly has his agenda differs fundamentalism to agendas of the so called islam and this is not a script that there is a solidarity with the major arab country keep in mind baghdad damascus cairo visit almost magic words for the multitude of adams is a descent historically speaking the centers of culture

and creativity from the arab islamic history so there is that sympathy with it with that with an arab and a lot of dispute in a way even before the war the issues he's to the united nations yes exactly i mean there are many people i mean certainly among the palestinians many of them are sick of the settlers supports about the point is they're out to essentially political forces in the arab world on the one hand it does that islam is built around one hundred people oppose it than suburban his supporters it's about his is using the language and the symbols of the fundamentalist because arab nationalism as a as a as an organized movement has been weakened considerably interested in the last decades and then and that's why most of us feel that once abound was gone and you live on it and those who become the pieces of the fundamentalist and essentially the problem is those who believe in democracy human rights and political columns and political pluralism of squeeze between these

two poles what essentially undemocratic very much of it is also the problem of proportionality the fundamentalists a pit stop about levying against the idea that they'll gradually as we were witnessing now gradually coming out in support of him won because he destruction this inspection a special civilian areas until it is is to memphis and at the same time this business about the attack and the bias in the west is in portland and it's and it's by a guest watch against the arabs and difficulties there is that there is in this season of broken promises all the way back since the first one just about how much of a good thing at any of this is going to have any effect on your future on the conduct of the war maybe not on the conduct of this war militarily but as the political

consequences i believe so because that in that region looks at the war differently and others to fund the united states' victories viewed as his report said that in june rather than accomplishing the tibia ames so in and that egypt is looked at as an in an imbalance that is going to be leaving the cavs and underdogs if you would because video that his suspicion that turkey has its own agenda and then probably be lifting the ottoman empire's times and spending its domination and mosul activities a future that is a man who has already become a player because of it because of the political entities situation but you don't like the lead once again the emotions the leader of fundamentalism and then of course there's the other lost the fuel is it as a new year's year of power who also has an occupier so oh you would have been that the region doesn't feel that that has been an epithet in dealing with its with its problems or together and therefore what we might be seeing and what i think we'll be seeing after the war there's always an

imbalance that is very dangerous and that might even and to cause harm to the united states and that is if they're not paid attention to candidates this if i cup of thing such as things going out of good fortune and fundamentalism it but you would agree on that the loan would you agree that it won't have an effect there is not likely to have an effect on the actual combat it's not that community and those of us who are warning against the popular backlash against the war and us intervention when episode we talk about impending be used it's going to sweep away little existing social political and in the region there so what's going to happen in the next few months and furious that they will be increasing rage and frustration and despair and even politically is this the dynamics of these feelings will be played out over the local period of time in nineteen forty eight after a big defeat in the war with israel and egyptians were used to that a bit more like a fifth to be the city's few months to give the

war goes on the war was beyond that he would see more demonstrations of support for the iraq defeat for the plight of the iraqi people and then he would probably see writing not only peaceful demonstrations most countries now yemen jordan libya the demonstration orchestra that somewhat and approved by the government but in places like algeria even jordan things can get out of hand and then a huge huge huge huge building those countries the fundamentals of their own agenda that they would lose the war and correctly so attuned to those divisions isis have to be honest there is a desire to the descent but also to what's happening full of the arab countries that i see present this as for all involved like brothers in the us it's big in europe and the question was i think there's a sense of frustration there was no sense of safety and before the divisional now they stood up they fault and it and i'm not talking about

a major shift in egypt but even behind in attendance was not accomplished what they have a sense of hopelessness was very frustrating for the masses i think now they have more self respect and i think of the good things that i think most people that becomes a different issue for florida from an outer part of uganda member in nineteen sixty seven that has were humiliated in the six day war that that they lost they she had a quite a number of them again when you have two of types of absinthe on taiwan one point of view there's two perspectives one and one of them says that is dangerous mission with it has lasted as this fantastic superpower and and therefore from that point of view it's the most victorious and as it is now if the state does develop into rioting and if the fire and these forces of opposition grow more and the beef that isn't even becomes more felt then things

would go out of control even on the next eleven weeks particularly if that dancing and succeeds in expanding the war so far he's been trying to expand it involves isn't about it is that it is as another response is no retaliation has that but if he gets the stick within that he might succeed and accomplishing overthrowing others as he goes about you know one that says nothing distance of this disillusioned been increasing your perspective when just when the dust settles we are going to and the language and the ways that people will be to destroy societies one of them's a major in a country such as iraq that says the display would continue because nine states whether they like that we wouldn't repeat as if it is shaping and reshaping the future of the region with its own allies is it would be on the ascendancy iran will be to put on the ascendancy and then edie adams would bankrupt even economically and politically more dependent on the west just quickly as if anything the us can to soften that you're describing i think you know that did it that i think it should be

the so called collateral damage and he says he's innocent and to people's intelligence and civilian victims and now the issue is no longer really the patient with all of us who posed occupation of kuwait and we just cannot sit and watch the devastation that the visibility people in prison that's about any move that gentleman thank you all for things finally tonight the war as it is seen analyze and discussed by some residents of ashes and kansas then on thursday for coffee with newshour essayist jim fisher columnist with the kansas city times this is that one loses matches in

kansas some sixty miles northwest of cases every weekday morning for the past ten years a group of locals mostly retired ages forty to nineteen seventy five to six months ago i've talked with verbal your sports in texas politics now know that we get a veteran's as veterans see the war in a thousand different from war you for for lots of people and i think even to me more so than the one it hadn't participated in it and i don't know i tried to figure out why that is and i think it's nothing but television has brought it so close to its city by i had a pole and we

were just kind of i think it's for a lot of people i think are right to pray but i gather in you guys not meme a war or two as good looking at ways to wait every night for radio to see if any body in kansas city had been killed that we know in all it was a depressing thang back and we haven't seen too much there that it was surely we can let the poles would go in the other direction of our country right now that we will support anything as long as it brings good lives and if the news gets bad enough look on our roads because our power whether that is going to change

or different direction too and we were there all the way with absolute terrible times you know on we were there all the different reasons for being there are two strong then we sure will start changing on the good news changes in the know are mainly these kids that go over there are fighting for kuwait another let's not very compelling reason for hitting current we wouldn't believe they are and that they said we are there only now that things are going it's your original thoughts or they can give it right mind as it is against

war and they know that they're going to have to follow his father feelings change like his ideas and change what went out opposed to the war from the very beginning the libertarian adult we wish you never initiate the use of force to settle anything political or social drop ins at a morgue is is not there it could be a dissonant one and i myself but for years the southern suburbs are in the war was a brownout presents a retired navy captain i support those boys for what they have to do their job but all we're doing is atrocious besides that we like and we went what we want

i don't know every year why do we have those we have no educational vital national interest they're

great voice boys have their way we the people of america will decide whether the proper war but we don't support that will stop our table one to stop the protesters from making the point that they're right because you're in the majority i said no one curator dr terrence night live saintly it really get that many areas that i will be a protester lloyd we all global oil are good deal babar ahmad back into the air because like it's worth more than they go out there and say i don't get that you get killed lovely brain back and i what we do every protester out there doesn't give a damn thing that's probably you know it's nadal they don't they may cause more so than most of the people who are gung ho

they really did that whole here or more that's the main reason to listen to both sides of the argument though he said i'm living here and living like a free upgrade to walk a way they want but they don't want to get there or thought oh yes yes begin today's main stories to us war planes were shot down apparently by iraqi anti aircraft artillery fire one us marine was killed and two were injured when their convoy was hit by a

cluster bomb from a us airplane interact launched scud missile attacks against israel and saudi arabia israeli official said one missile landed somewhere in central israel there were no reports on casualties or damage saudi officials at another scott was intercepted over riyadh saudi arabia tonight there were no official reports of damage but television pool cameras showed at least one building in the saudi capital city was severely damaged by the debris and in this country the official death toll from yesterday's plane crash at los angeles international airport rose to thirteen that's our newshour for tonight we'll be back monday night with the latest on the war and judy woodruff thank you and have a good weekend funding for the newshour has been provided by at and t at and to connect and equipment that working on computers of communications at at the right way and by pepsico

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