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three senators who say they're quitting congress discussed the public mood of the state of politics and our friday analysis of the week's politics we hold you go and tonight actually the pna pay farnsworth in washington and i'm robert mcneill in new york after tonight's news summary three senators who say they're quitting congress discuss the public mood and the state of politics and our friday analysis of the week's politics with prosciutto and tonight mary mcgrory finely wrought minded of seattle

public television reports on the battle over federal grazing land emarketer the world and buy new york life yet another example of the wise investment philosophy new york life has been following for the last one hundred and fifty years and by the corporation for public broadcasting and by the annual financial support from viewers like you the united states will hold joint military games with kuwait in about ten days a pentagon spokesman made that announcement today the maneuvers involving fourteen hundred us troops were originally scheduled for october yesterday pentagon officials announced a us military buildup in the persian gulf to deter possible a rocky attacks on kuwait or saudi arabia iraq has denied any such intentions the associated press reported today that the us buildup was prompted by information from two prominent iraqis who defected to jordan

with their families last week the men are married to daughters of iraqi president saddam hussein a state department spokesman was asked about those reports at a briefing today i think that they leave the change situation in terms of the ruling group there with the defection of all of the families and to have that the leaders of that group of change the situation and require us to reassess what we need to do right now and that's the reason we're taking precautions they say you really have the facility that the special intelligence and the ruling in the ruling of special intelligence from the court american and jordanian troops begin joint military maneuvers today more than twenty five hundred us marines are participating in the exercises in the jordanian desert code named infinite new light the us has promised to protect jordan in case of reprisals from a rock for grading political asylum to the rocky defectors robin us shuttle diplomacy in the former yugoslavia continued today a delegation led by

assistant secretary of state richard holbrook traveled from serbia into croatia they met in zagreb with croatian president franjo tudjman the details of the us peace initiative remain secret detention centers aimed at ending the fighting between croatia and bosnia and creating a new stable international water and southeast europe the delegation is scheduled to hold talks in bosnia tomorrow shannon faulkner is calling it quits at the citadel the first woman could dead at the south carolina military colleges leaving after only one day on duty she registered monday and began the rigorous helen for entering freshmen she suffered he'd sickness and spent four days in the infirmary ms falkner wage to two and a half year legal battle to be admitted to the citadel which fought to keep the school all male and it is by knowing that so many people are disappointed and they

say that i think about my own health right now with tourists and residents began returning to the outer banks today as hurricane felix worked off the north carolina sure the storm is now centered about three hundred and fifty miles northeast of cape hatteras with wins just reaching hurricane speed forecasters expect a little movement from the lakes and it dropped all storm warnings along the east coast writer howard carter died of pneumonia last night in new york he won an oscar in nineteen forty two for his script of casablanca starring ingrid bergman humphrey bogart koch also co wrote the academy award winning film the best years of our lives earlier in his career he worked in radio offering the script for orson welles' war of the worlds radio play convinced thousands of american listeners the earth has actually been invaded by martians howard cox was ninety three us are summary of the top stories now it's onto senators quitting congress our weekly political analysis and the battle for control of federal lands

jack keane this week democratic senator bill bradley of new jersey said he would not run for reelection next year it does join five other democrats and one republican are decided to quit their reasons are varied but bradley's included a harsh indictment of the current political system and the ideology of the two major parties is an excerpt from his resignation announcement we live in a time when a basic level politics is broken growing numbers of people lost faith in the political process on whether it can help their threatened economic circumstance the political debate has settled into two familiar arts republicans are infatuated with the magic of the market and reflection which criticized government is the enemy of freedom and democrats distrust

the market treats government is the answer to our problems and prefer the bureaucrat they know so the consumer they can't control and neither political party speaks to people where they live their lives and both have moved away from my own concept of service and my own idea of what america can be now the perspectives of three other senators have also decided not to seek reelection mayor democrat paul simon from illinois republican and brown of colorado and democrat james exxon from nebraska senator simon or use disillusioned with the political system as senator bradley was about your motivation not this illusion that no i have to say i think we have serious problems i think there is excessive partisanship more than when i came to congress twenty one years ago that concerns me but i think the two big problems or cynicism and wild bill bradley's

well most thoughtful members of that so i think his statement adds to the cynicism rather than be tracked i think the other big problem is for every whether it's in congress on executive branch of government were going too much by the polls whatever the polls say we're following that direction you know the national league's sen brown you think of senator bradley statement adds to the cynicism will obviously reflected a heartfelt feeling on his his part but to my own sense is the system's working and it's working the way our founders wanted that for work or are reassessing what the role of government as it's natural that at some point we ask whether britain's worker not in french or not those that don't and try and invest in our future in a way that the least a lot americans think that we should note is more individual control that processes natural and i don't think is a bad part of all what i do think is important those that we keep the concept of a citizen

legislature but it's not that a lifetime career and i think that reflects that as part of thinking of those who decided to go on to other other things in their life spitzer still a relatively young man in your party is now we're in and controlling and both houses of congress for the first time in a long time you are lost would have lots of art for germany to be effective if it's bad timing i'd been that will advance in congress for sixteen years one term in the senate and ten years in the house before that for me that's enough but it's been a wonderful experience but i think it'd be a mistake for me to have to think this was the only thing i would do with the rest of my life senator exxon when you major announcement you talked about the vicious polarization of the electorate and they hate level of campaigns nowadays was was discussed with the system part of your decision to quit rather than a question that were important part of my audition went but that when the most important part i am a

sudden four years old i have served over a quarter century continuously in public life i just thought it was time for me to move along idea those remarks that i am a bore and connection with the fact that i was disappointed that i was leaving at a time when i thought all of these things that won't want to write in politics and how wrong in politics and i believe that but isn't it the hill the remarks that were made by my friend bill badly the other they are very talented individual moment fifty two years all i think your stay on rather than leave was the matter of the frustration level and i think there's a great frustration on all peoples party like what i would say to my friend harry brown under a talented man and a fifty year old level it should be staying but i respect your right to choose a life otherwise that is the decision all of us have to make one is the time to come and one is a time to go

senator simon mann sen bradley let's the democratic and republican parties almost irrelevant to the great mass of the people today really out of touch with what worries americans their economic insecurities and so when you feel about that i think that that is not a fair criticism i think if you can make the criticism that we are to responses that we are for example the problem of twenty four percent of our children living in poverty we will be tackling that no other western industrialized democracy is anything close to that figure but we're not going to find answers what it pays trying to be responsive to whatever public wishes are you you really have to examine the issues and then both parties together coming together and say we're going to do and wants to do something about this coming together marisa weiss of them here won't want to give credit the ground

he has been good in a good person to work with in terms of all the number is a little pleasure work with senator graham that or you think about senator bradley's attack on the two political parties want my sense is america's much less partisan today than it was a hundred years ago or even fifty years ago and while the partisanship that excessive partisanship is never an attractive feature at least it the most voters i think it's probably getting better rather than them were so i think people are more willing to cast votes for individuals i have confidence in the center simon who is so kind of meanders remarks that is a good example of that he carried a lot of republican votes when he ran last time it was a reflection of people's confidence in him so it had rather than a serb having partisanship on the growth factor i think it's been on the wane it doesn't mean that that there isn't still a problem or that there is but you know the reality is most to most citizens don't want to hear about your partisanship they want your body answers to problems

do you say in response i think brown is right in terms of the public i think he is wrong in terms of the united states senate the us house representatives in here that both parties share robling and i think my friend inaction would probably rate we are much more partisan than we should be at the commercial world your career center i do agree with that to bipartisanship a lonely a site what i said when i lost my retirement i said the three political parties are responsible they're responsible primarily because of both political parties have descended into debt never before her about with regard to attack ads in political campaigns happy new tack your poem and then say well it's all right now we're going to get together i have never use negative ads in my five statewide races i have deported them i think the attack ads that are run by the hierarchy of the democratic and the republican party have done more than

anything else who rang of the public of the mind that those of us who are elected have a responsibility to be more responsible than that we obviously have been in our campaigns take a look at the recent events senators simon how big a blow is it for the democratic party to have fun and president clinton to have senator bradley say he's even contemplating an independent shot when you when you announce your retirement you said you were going to campaign for president reagan's reelection are you still i knew that i am and i think that bill bradley were become an independent candidate and certainly there are hints of that both the press conference and his announcement and bill would be making a realist that is a very thoughtful member of the united states senate and he made valuable contributions not in public office but if you were to become an independent candidate my guess is that he would not draw them a vote for example with john anderson dead who was also very thoughtful valuable member of congress robert and i yeah i

agree completely with what paul just said i have the highest respect for bill bradley we know that there'd been a bar owner has settled for some time because he is a doer icecap you think though that there is a difference between those who have announced my retirement as i could to large extent what bill bradley said but none of the rest of us and to the hang around and said we're going to fix the political sustained by getting out i really believe bill made a mistake in getting out i wish he would remain but that is yours but four of his other thought that he's now going to entertain other possibility of an independent candidate prepare the united states that is not going to fix the system in my view has only gonna make it work worse well maybe he says we'll talk about divisiveness in the political system that we have the day look bill bradley in

my opinion with all of his talents art may have a onetime bandmate a democratic candidate for president united states i do not believe bill bradley is going to be successful as an independent candidate and i think he hurts the good ever city have put forth by going off on its own that's not the way to do the thing that they'll want to be continually involved in politics i think he should have stayed working with in the united states senate within the democratic party and not a beard with genocide is it music your ear sound underground hear that a democrat might be running an independent campaign obviously there is not the concern of republican circles that there isn't democratic circles but it's early yet and you know a democratic process is is confrontational it does involve a discordant music at times it's what we think brings out the truth though and that is that people having a chance to decide between alternatives and choices my decision and it out of people on the right as

well as the left run for the president to it third or fourth or fifth party candidates i do agree with the old my colleagues over with my guest is bill bradley will not to draw a lot of votes although he probably make girl important points if he runs when you say senator brown just before senator bradley made his announcement the new york times published a poll say and voters frustrations were deeper than any time in history probably be prevented time in history it said fifty nine percent of the voters said there wasn't a single elected official they admired another thirty six you can think of one six percent named clinton and five percent name know what to make of a situation like that that job they didn't pull colorado when they took those numbers my guess is there's a lot of the satisfaction for good reason a word a point in our country's history where we're not growing the way we work or not expanding the way we were about people's lives are not getting that significantly better as they have been through much of our our history there's real dissatisfaction and the number two or three in

america were not used to it we want better than that for our children our grandchildren but i think seeing that is the key towards turning them around it is i think a real plan but we are so eager to do the popular that we're unwilling to face reality that when the concord coalition study came out and said the average american family income would be fifteen thousand dollars a year or higher today but for the deficits of the last twenty years what we have those that this is because we have been unwilling to tell people the truth about the need for revenue about the need to cut now the congress or the congress especially in the house that is attacking the deficit as it's never been attacked is attacking the deficit but i think an absolutely the wrong why it is for example our own with tax cut i have i disagree with bill clinton on

that also i think we ought to be looking at defense spending we're spending more than the next eight countries combined in erie of defense all for something but not telling for example a house that disability programs forty three percent no one can tell me to go better one is it's a new senator simon the poll figures i quoted know fifty nine percent say they can't name a single elected official lydia they admire well i think it is in part because we're pandering to people and not telling the truth i can remember when the coal is paper roll call adventure thriller with our fire my reelection early in the campaigns that look like paul simon wouldn't win because he said we have more federal revenue and i was appalled how close the capital punishment there was a number of issues in which i took unpopular stance i ended up with the largest or hourly of any candidate of either party who was contested that year i remember the man

i ran into and chicago who said i think i disagree with me on every issue but i trust you look forward i think people want us to tell the truth and not to pander to and the public right away senses were pandering were telling him just what we want we want to hear robin towing troops in iraq somewhat you make of a poll figures showing such little regard for elected officials and the big business that all thirty six percent who asked could they think of one person i admired six percent blamed the president and five percent named the leading republican candidate but pretty sad commentary on the things that they would i think that's a way it in robert i would simply say that you look at the other bulls i saw one the other day with a call or thirteen hundred people were polled of a selective basis with regard to teach abortion fifty percent for more conflicted with them against the war it feel about what the republicans are doing about the economy but the grand bounce coming about about trying to get a ballot by the year two

thousand and seven fifty percent for fifty percent against time and time again i say that there's a great frustration level among the people are and the fact that only a fire or six of them good some name somebody that they truly respected his account was sad commentary on where the political system is the data and we may we're i'll be robert right in the heart of something that i think is very sad that maybe the elimination of the two party system the united states of america that with all its war so survived quite well i'm very much concerned about the call the electric field that day those of us who have been in politics have to accept our share of the responsibility for that i don't think we can do that though by going out and running as an independent candidate well i hope and believe that in the end the people will begin to restore their faith in the two party system and

look at history and i recognize that it's not perfect but it's still a pretty good system that servers wear world you sure that when you look at what we're going to watch it all part of it i think though is is dependent on on tv and reality is what we've done the last thirty forty years does not work very well it's put us into a decline as a nation i think american sense that and that's part of the magic of get this turned around but having citizens have confidence in leaders is we turn this country around i think the results will speak louder than any rhetoric that that we can offer well senator graham's older son cyrus some factual review and he's now ended the week political analysis mark shields on vacation but wall street journal columnist paul she go is here tonight he's joined by washington post columnist mary mcgrory a book was written about a senator bradley saying that as a

basketball player he had a perfect sense of where he was on the court at all times sense of where he was what he think about his position well he's always actually had a perfect sense of political timing to throughout his career he decided i'm like a lot of politicians he didn't climb the usual ladder he ran right to the senate as it first the campaign was successful fifty two years old now having served eighteen years in the senate already it's puzzling and if i were a democrat i would find it troubling in particular because he's really hurts their chances of regaining the senate there's no question about that but there's talk about independent candidacy but he's almost saying i don't want a challenge though clinton for the nomination even though i think that he's really not think to be reelected that's the implicit message you have to ask yourself why if he wants to make a difference which he clearly does and he said so he wants to make a difference why does he have to leave the democratic party

he was a very clear in that answer other than to say that he's upset with both the parties but what is wrong with the democratic party that he feels he needs it passes at least intellectually believe what he thinks is the democratic party has done well this certain ineptitude which runs through everything i talked to harold ickes at the white house today and he was down in new orleans where the democrats were having this summit conference and he said well will probably about winter conference in nome alaska you know it's just things don't go very well and haven't for some time and i think that frankly what they have going most problems the republicans at the moment because well the democrats show how badly it can be down republicans are demonstrating the vicar those beavers in the way of increasing the defense budget cutting there funds for the pool i have a leather today from the recording from the blinding institution they're government funds will

cut by six hundred thousand dollars while the and i just ate some of this flowing voting fifty million dollars to resume nuclear testing and god knows how much to bring back stout was married do you think that senator bradley won't make an independent run for the presidency i wouldn't think so i would hate to think that he was doing the gingrich following the gingrich model of holding out the possibility that he would be running for president so that he would get maximum attention i would hate to think better of him but he rather does force them to do that out i agree with paul but if you're a member of a party your obligation is to make the body better which it certainly could be done and i'm i think that he doesn't see him temperamentally find that to be an independent candidate ross perot god bless him was made to be an independent candidate he's got the ego is kaput dr crowe as

mr bradley is almost crippling lee reserved remember that in nineteen ninety when he was running for re election he absolutely refused to look people are going to see how we felt about government forgoes tax increases which talking about being about things that what was his phrase when people sense went well i went there was a sense i mean certainly they live their lives and on taxes so i think he's very reason well he said that he wanted to focus on the lives of those people who are disconnected from the political process and speaking of that it's senators were just speaking about it a recent cnn usa today gallup poll found that fifty five percent more than half of the voters that were polled want an independent candidate ninety six does that surprise you the number is higher than i would expect but that we seem to be in something over the progressive you're like the early part of the century where

people want that are there upset with politics they want politicians to be more accountable and they're looking for reforms in the process i think that number surprise me because we're only six months into this new congress in which they threw the old crowd out into the crowd and republicans are trying to do this time what the democrats and president clinton did successfully do a night between it to ninety four which is make a bid for those pro voters and independent block they're going right after one of their main issues which is the balanced budget and they falter because of term limits on the reform agenda although they're still europe have to go on that so and i think that does talk about the independent party we have to take with greater solvency work stands a year from now after the republicans of actually have a chance to do so i do think expectations were too high how do you explain the level of disaffection this point just six months after the election well the expectations are high republicans didn't do a lot to tip tip to lower them talking about revolution and so on so that sense in that they have created those expectations the first

republican congress in forty years you would think that the arctic to be some high expectations but the legislative process is messy right now where the middle of the summer where it's not only hard year but it's even harder on the hill where they're trying to get the really difficult votes it looks ugly it looks messy there's a lot of bickering i think the real test of whether the public is still dissatisfied will be at the end of this year after we see what that first year in congress drop do you think terry that events in dallas increase the chance that ross perot would jump into this campaign a missionary which i know what i thought about that i think that to their preferences was so odd and sort of mixed that it's very hard to tell what they want immunity is that a lot of the press can they love must be kept up because she's against nafta as they air and was the open i don't really know i think those were the two big winners of those of those that was very odd to draw

conclusion out of that and as far as i could understand then even chew with everything was lotion so they're trying to do and what about the republicans' bill bennett who is of course the reagan bush campaign official wrote this week in the wall street journal that the impression of the republican party that emerged from dallas is that a people and principles and principled confuse organization lacking a rationale and needing a ross perot to provide one i think that's a that's overstating the bill that's set in advance he didn't think the republicans should go down there that easy for him to say he's not running for anything when you have a swing block of voters like the perot voters and let's face it most of those prisoners used to be republicans i mean philosophically i think except for the trade issue of that very pointed out i think that they are philosophically more attuned to republicans and republicans desperately want to prevent ross perot from getting in the race and taking those voters away so going to the

voters are going and trying to speak to some other things as a strike me as necessarily a bad thing in the president clinton might eventually be able to win over some of those voters who you are well it's so odd to find out what they really want i mean they elected him last time president is clearly trying to win over so yes yes he's trying to win over everybody he has good days and bad days though is that i think has done well i thought he was doing that until december to bradley to this year and you know there's this says he is bill bradley is the republicans ross perot i mean if he gets into it which most people doubt he will do it would take votes away from bill clinton obviously and for some mysterious reason because you notice when he said he was upset about the upset about crime

participatory politics campaign the phone and economics are circumstances you're an island all all issues which clinton has very vigorously even vehemently addressed so it's got to know so he leaves the silver cloud and shadow is safe the shortcomings of bill clinton you simply cannot raise the implicit message that somehow because ideologically the differences between bradley and clinton are not that severe there's almost the implicit message that it is a question of constancy carrot there are troubles bill bradley but he does want to bring that up because it would be too if you brought about the record it would be so damaged and what about the questions the first lady going to china for the women's conference the editorial side i look at summer to us from around the country and they're very very mixed about the new york times saying yes arizona republic saying yes and it's a chronicle of an atlanta journal constitution say no it's

it's so hard to predict which is what the newspaper position where hollywood you think these arguments are going to go in that welsh but all compiled counts she wants to go as she said she really does want to go which makes me wonder if her political judgments improved at all since the healthcare troubles of a couple of years ago because you think it would be wrong i think that the that most of the arguments in the political pit falls apart if she goes i mean you have a lot of government china that is holding her new us is that is firing missiles off the coast of taiwan that is selling all kinds of nasty things to nasty regimes around the world that we don't want to sell feeling bill davies inskeep and infanticide that's right exactly lot of exposes about that but what about the argument that she could go one point those things out well presented that come to bring that to the fore spotlight what what what if she would go there and give that sort of speech that might be a different

story but to just go there and participate in this conference she is lending a kind of prestige the prestige that attends the first lady of the united states to that regime that seems to me to open them up to real criticism back home now if hillary clinton were to go to beijing and make the speech a law to be made right to their teeth and a woman's conference in the country that imposes birth control that in an era in forced placed them in forced abortions i mean women are simply subjugated they are so it's ridiculous to just back is a well this happens to be a woman's conference this is a woman's conference that happens to be in beijing because beijing is china's the only country that made that there are fifty thousand women going in there and the argument is that the new president will kind of shake up the regime i think that's dubious but i think if hillary clinton goes down and confronts them then she becomes not only the secretary of state of the united states

of america but the president of the united states and that's what got into trouble or that you took out too much so i don't see how he gets anything with me and in the remaining short amount of time we have a federal grand jury has indicted president mrs clinton's business partners and the governor of arkansas and twenty one counts of fraud conspiracy making false statements it think that will affect the president's system not well not well at all but on the other hand is philip pointed out they were not indicted the thing that may save them is the complexity of the case that it requires such an investment of time and concentration to understand the details said that exxon who spoke so beautifully tonight earlier volunteered to me the other day that in his state nebraska which is a pretty sensible sort of a place they're much more interested in hearings possible hearings and senate will only act in white water here

is this is the tone of the telephone calls of the levers are coming to his office or do you think the political fallout from this and i'm honest well i think that mary has a point that they don't have the public really have not fastened on to white water in the same way they have other companies are watching this i got some letters from last week's and we're watching it's there that it does not help i mean in this case these indictments i think are particularly troubling for them because they seem to follow the roadmap that was laid out in that original criminal referral that was made by the savings alone investigator jim lewis out of kansas city jim guy tucker was mainly due course and of course you have the tools being the clippers partners and the question is do they benefit from the frogs that are now wedged and if they did did they know about it and that is a very big cloud the iowa watch this and teacher thank you for being with us still to come on the newshour tonight the continuing battle

over grazing cattle on federal lands but first this is punch week on public television we're taking a short break now signature a public television station can ask for your support that support helps keep programs like this on the air the station's not taking a pledge right the newshour continues with a look at the situation and garage with the sole remaining muslim enclave in eastern bosnia to others srebrenica and jump or were captured by bosnian serbs last month like them garage there was a so called safe area protected by un troops the mormon of independent television news has a report dariush days the last bosnian government enclave in eastern bosnia eighteen months ago extra un troops were sent here to help deter a bosnian serb advance instead it's the un which is now pulling out around nineteen ukrainian soldiers started to leave today and the one hundred ninety strong company of royal welsh fuse it

is well with your late next week no other country has he had volunteered to replace them and from september at these un safe area will be protected on the ground by handful of un monitors the future defense of its sixty thousand people depends on nato jets they'll go into action of serb forces crossed the exclusion zone around garage their service is elizabeth shakespeare is work how much of a company but as i have emphasized that the united nations will continue to be patient in one form or another in court the threat of a massive bombing campaign against the bosnian serbs remains of the un admits its withdrawal leaves the rice they exposed and the method by which the ranch there will not be defended its extensive use of air the

withdrawal of the un company they're not replaced entirely you have what looks like a chink in the armor and that board it is our intention to replace the company would have multiples on the ground just to let us know what is happening in that the movie also has wider implications following the un's decision to withdraw most of its troops from croatia un troops in bosnia will in the future be grouped closer together in the center of the country the us easing any future a withdrawal or as theorized this future is putting that are the details of alleged war crimes in srebrenica have come to light an italian tv crew was allowed into the broken turn yesterday last month thousands of mostly men were reported missing after the former say very it was overrun by the bosnian serbs initial reports from escaping soldiers and surviving relatives suggested that many had been tortured and killed this week an american

journalist david rohde visited the sites of the alleged atrocities rather try to trace the steps of the muslim prisoners from cyber need so many men would take into breton that's where they were screened by the bosnian serbs many were held at the town's football ground and next to the page wrote her find a building there was in a band and going back and i went to and that in light of that i'm evidence that benefit all their very close quarters the air with some blood on the floor and overall flow of bullet marks on the interior wall of the building and the possible that that were killed there and the tradition that that it will appear that would appear there with the victim of a privileged that there were health they were crammed into very small building standing room only his account of the fate of srebrenica's men tallies with those of local people and the un official who reported hearing gunshots from the ground from brighton that's really to follow the man's trail to novak has about to the

west it's here that us spy satellite planes film several large sections of disturbed earth the site of a possible mass grave bulging serb soldiers wrote that examined the site the largest one about three hundred feet by three hundred feet and that was one of about two hundred and fifty and maude about fifty by one hundred from their diet and if nothing happened there it appears that it would be several hundred body not i believe getting out of one of the areas of ground that appeared to the grave with what appear to be a human leg the exact number of men the missing from srebrenica is disputed by all sides some may still be hiding in the hills around the abandoned town others have passed through bosnian government lines to safety but tonight there's more distressing evidence that many may have died in what was once a

un safe area he's now an update on the battle for control of federal range lands at issue with some of the most scenic territory in the country the clinton administration's plans for protecting that land have produced a running confrontation with western livestock ranchers and their congressional representatives right minded a public station casey ts seattle reports my mom during the summer doing well born often rides the range land in southwest montana looking for trespass or so and human services wired heat sensors and seventy thousand acres of bubble in foreign tourism the reason

why you're damaged for the land on forty years of overgrazing the bureau of land management blames the house for damage and fragile meadows including streams three not overgrazing and vocal influence the length of the fish from fifteenth well borders the rules could ruin his livelihood it is may put us in a position that we have to be out there moving our cattle off their current banks or worked on the mall or france or russia an image is in order at the candidates or for the devil being weighed and it just didn't work this is really typical of what streams in the west looked like when they grazed by cattle especially over grays in an environmental conservation we know it is two thousand are houses strings throughout the last really shouldn't have the cattle grazing i'm the way to the cavs and excessive grazing on the plant material here cause the

banks because the banks to steer away and sediment and dirt flowing to the stream the screen widens the temperature rises and this strain is full of dirt and counter riffs yes it's very damaging to any case that might be trying to fly through it because you're your own water gap so norman their job and says that whatever damage to major book the repairs he points to an area on his way over one side has been fenced off due to heavy use all the other remains open to cattle near the north of here how fast does he awoke goes in this whole area was worthy of last year in yemen was like the area across the trick here so just in one year the vegetation his comeback thicker than ever well warren says he isn't happily complied with a government regulation so far is it is the audience for instance on the secretary of interior

to go into effect in january that the proposed new use it within range land management and increased protection of those land is losing state standards to help measure whether progress is being made on improving the ecological health of other plants twenty five citizen advisory councils around the country the hope that the oil write those standards as well as other praising god wants the council's will be made up of diverse members including timber environmental and ranching interests still owen says the new stuff that he laminated off with the public or our land within five years if they can't come up with regulations one regulation of employers offer they'll come up with another and another agency offers non hearing it actually put them in a position of the decade

i mean she's married that are good for the six month moratorium on those provisions to allow time for congress to take its own action and raising that six months is now widely viewed the rules are scheduled to come watch in august congress recessed last week without passing any legislation that we want the impact of the reforms but when they returned western senators money for republicans and particularly powerful positions since their party won control of the senate last year will be pushing for a vote on a bill sponsored by new mexico senator pete domenici the senate bill would give renters more power to influence decisions about grazing on public lands primarily through local grazing advisory boards the boards would consist mostly of ranchers boxes of the idaho cattlemen's association says the livestock grazing or bring economic stability are ranchers but suresh in our work rules and that would be foolish for years that's the important thing it takes away a lot of the

arbitrary rule making that's been done by the agency's with every change of secretary interior well if you look at this huge expanse he could see that there's very little water out here and dislikes the bill and she says it would exempt ranchers in the environmental studies weren't raising this issue she also argues that it would give the livestock industry a monopoly over the range lights blocking out other users including fisherman hunters and hikers designed to insulate the livestock industry from people like me who live right here or who vacation out here from easton who really care about these plans and why make sure that our children's heritage is preserved and i think they're trying to make sure that i don't get to have any say about what happens on the land routes years rejects the charge that the public will be shut out of the role managing your hands the only thing with any know of the ranchers

that is the utilization of the forage out there and giving him some degree of stability and on or regulations too highly compliant yet form for harvesting their porridge which is which has no value to anyone else except being passed encounter and b some like mike handful who recently retired as an assistant director with the bureau of land management project more conflict more lawsuits over the miniature grazing bill passes if the debate to go through i think what's going to happen is you continue can continue management by polarization cannot continue management by bike or action and the national estimate for everyone to be tested in court he couldn't be angry critics also complain that neither the senate bill nor bad its rules address the issue of grazing fees he's which they see as a government subsidies were already rich ranchers they point to the fifteen thousand acre ranch owned by computer billionaire is william hewlett

and david packard as an example fourteen hundred head of their cattle graze nearby on ninety four thousand acres of federal land the fee they pay the government is about one six of a rape charge to run cattle on private land secretary babbitt tried to raise those rates but the issue created such an uproar among ranchers but it dropped the attempt they've nelson who manages the ranch and says that the cheaper rates are not subsidies for wealthy rancher is that the calendar fertilizer as though the disabled overhead we have lowered the more i didn't like my bosses are non about what money into his wrath failed them and i really think the debate on the iraqi or the other clans of people be sorry for him because i think we're doing a very good job out there or making a better place for everyone when concannon says that the problem is the big business tends to put business first she points out that in common was waged a twenty year legal battle forced to a packard to change their grazing practices i think they're focused on doing a good job with their cows and that's what they're

doing a good job on and that's what they know had a deal on the land and they haven't been doing a good job and we can see the results with a great streams and lots of wildlife habitat and they're very slow to change as our most ranchers because they're looking only at their business they're really not concerned with the condition of the land until they start hearing from may was of the public who have other interests okay today congressmen have asked secretary babbitt to further delay implementation of his reforms secretary reviews livestock groups are considering legal action from taking effect the interior department says it holds probably a plan will survive or challenge i mean again the major stories of this friday the pentagon announced joint military exercises with kuwait in the next ten days yesterday the us announced a military

buildup in the persian gulf to deter possible iraqi attacks on kuwait or saudi arabia sharon faulkner has decided to leave the senate vote just after one week she was the first woman could at the south carolina military college and had waged a two and half year legal battle began admittance the novels with that rob and that's the newshour for tonight we'll be back monday night i'm elizabeth farnsworth have a nice weekend reading funding to be living at a supermarket to the world and by new york life yet another example of the wise investment philosophy new york life has been following for the last one hundred and fifty years and by the corporation for public broadcasting and by the annual financial support from viewers like you nice butt the

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