The MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour

now as corporate funding is provided by ford making a commitment to building quality cars and trucks and making a commitment to quality programming and by the corporation for public broadcasting and viewers like you good evening i'm robert mcneill in europe which you earned washington welcome to this special election report with full results and analysis of what it is not clear is a major victory by bill clinton who is now to all intents and purposes the president elect of the united states that is the scene outside the statehouse convention center in little rock where thousands of his supporters are gathered in a very festive mood already we expect to be hearing from governor clinton there in a little while and to bringing you live from houston an appearance by president bush followed by a ross perot who was

already spoken and said in effect that bill clinton has won this election first here are the current standings in the presidential race in popular votes counted so far bill clinton is leading with forty four percent of that vote to thirty nine percent for george bush and seventeen percent for ross perot now the electoral vote this map shows in blue the twenty seven states and letting the district of columbia and clinton has one ending at the porsche has won in red is arrested ten by network projections based on actual vote counts plus the results of exit polling but that bill clinton has two hundred and eighty six more than the two hundred seventy electoral votes needed to win the presidency and that will shortly go up startlingly because the state of california is expected very soon to be rejected for clinton adding another fifty four electoral votes president bush at the moment has sixty four electoral votes by these projections and ross perot none the first words are the mouse is about those results come from the first came a

political allies or thirteen inch nails david gergen editor at large of us news and world report syndicated columnist mark shields david as are simple explanation or what i think is the same explanation we've had all year german economy as as i think broadly president kennedy could not convince people that a second bush term would be better than the first he could not overcome their doubts about the economic stagnation in the country and even with some signs of growth toward the end of the campaign he couldn't convince people than it is to achieve the next four years should be better it was a referendum on george bush as a referendum on his first term i think people have now embraced the oakland especially because he was not george bush but i do think toward the end of the campaign many democrats in the warm bill clinton personally referendum on george bush a referendum on george bush's campaign a referendum on george bush years but brandenberger says george bush's defeat with the people convicted and it was a remarkable victory this is a man so in june of nineteen eighty two

and fifteen favorable to thirty unfavorable rating in the new york times cbs poll as low as any national candidate known in the history of polling and yet he pull themself up by his bootstraps yes without the ross perot's taking over that detention at that point on the political stage pull themself up to the point where he mounted a campaign resolved in large part people thought about skate on his own message when the campaign on his own terms with not divert except for a couple of times where he at least seemed to go for the bait by day showed remarkable discipline sure footed news especially that somebody on the first time out atlanta this about american presidential politics very few people even the gifted successful case a long way to make it the first time out this guy did bill clinton did a little bitty state and he beat an incumbent president is that no lead achievement a remarkable personal triumph the polls have just closed in california are on the west coast

another vip networks wasted no time in calling california hawaii and oregon are added to that list so that would serve them well way over three hundred and fifty for a loan from california so he is so well over three hundred now going back at picking up on on parks point david when this whole thing began bill clinton was considered well and it would run the first time this time maybe but that all the big guns because george bush was impossible it's an amazing story is the growth for a job i talked to the night he declared in little rock and he knew this was a long celebration beginning it i was more realistic to think that this tile would give them experience to go on this truncate nineteen ninety six he's been counted the selection before he was kind of the other was a circus is this a live and georgia's of self torture of his campaign to farmers or to get what we are not sure about about owls presser we know one thing for sure bill clinton's debt he came back with the market already mature writer marco campaign he ran much of

the spill the worst as good as you guys are either one of you would set on ludmilla newshour year ago that we would be discussing what were discussing that we probably would never imagine i love it a different perspective now from two posters everywhere there's a lot recently democrat peter hartmann republican richard wirthlin gentleman gets a feeling for the dimensions of this victory as it's now projected to be richard how big is it is it a landslide how does it compare with other victories in the past robin is surely looks like a landslide in from the electoral perspective however the five point gap in the popular vote is is it falls far short of a landslide to give you their perspective ronald reagan won by a ten point margin in nineteen eighty was to that to about nineteen point margin in nineteen eighty four both

johnson and nixon had no our genes in excess of twenty percent so did not have strong third candidates getting into the popular vote that's right but even with a third candidate in nineteen eighty reagan had about a ten point lead i think that there is no question that this is bill clinton operative build a mandate but i don't think in terms of the popular vote he's quite there yet how would you describe the dimensions of the year wouldn't will permit me all simply say how sweet it is it as democrats we've been out in the woods for a long time and i say thank you bill clinton thank you al gore and now when we talk about the contours of the victory to give you some sense of the words that would land basically reagan democrats fifty five percent of those that have voted in nineteen eighty four for ronald reagan now voted for bill clinton less than one in four vote for george bush white man i've democrats actually split evenly and that's something his

store for them with independents democrats won bill clinton won by four to three marching and with in the suburbs the democrats won by forty four to thirty eight it is broad it is good we got through to some of the republican lock states that we never thought that we can reach a just under a tree there are a couple of very important states where all evening it's been too close to call florida and texas if if clinton does not worship president were squeaked through in those two states that will are considerably diminished the size of the but let's go back to last night's conversation with dick wirthlin myself we said we didn't expect florida to fall the fact that we're talking of eleven o'clock at night about florida possibly going democratic is amazing and in terms of taxes i would say that obviously if the democrats can carry that you'd answer this week but if you look at your maps were used to being a fuel specks on the map as democrats were sitting with three hundred and six electoral votes too i'll take anything away from bill clinton tonight how we do our work

isn't due to the victory at her party in texas don't come through pretty well i think that there's a strong exclamation exclamation point to to the victory clearly it was hoped to very sincerely to take both wharton texas especially texas that in the president's home state so that the mention of a tree set is broad and how deep it runs along at last in terms of eliminate i think that's the question robin still somewhat open a lot of that is going to depend on the er on how the congress sees the new president and for a summary of where things stand so far in the new senate that's cut our congressional correspondent chronicle and robin there is there's word just an on the important races in california the two senate seats out there cnn and perhaps others are declaring dianne feinstein though the former mayor of seven sisko the winner in her race over john seymour the current senator and barbara boxer winning over republican roots herschensohn and that other senate seat and patty

murray the winner in washington as well when i go over some numbers there but we will begin with pen and historic race in illinois where carol moseley braun the democrats the recorder of deeds for cook county in chicago will become the first black woman united states senator carol moseley braun defeating richard williamson the republican by about almost ten percentage points in pennsylvania still too close to call between two term republican senator arlen specter and first time politician lynn ikle the democrats fifty fifty as it stands now in missouri christopher kit bond the republican has retained his seat over jerry rothman surat know the bond that was an open seat and bond wins the seat over jerry robinson around the democrats in ohio john glenn the five term incumbent senator from ohio has won reelection in a very tight race with michael dewine the lieutenant governor in ohio in wisconsin thirty nine year old

state senator russell feingold has upset incumbent two term republican senator robert casting russell feingold a democrat winning the wisconsin senate seat and in georgia a white fowler it's out a tough race against republican paul coverdell fowler will return for a second term as a democrat to the us senate from georgia and in south carolina ernest hollings another incumbent also in a tough race wins but barely by four percentage points and wins reelection and will return to the leadership democratic leadership in the senate and finally a north carolina law their clout has upset incumbent senator terry sanford the democrats their clock becomes a us senator from north carolina robin back to you thank you are and i think we're going to learn more from this and they will bring in to others now for us some analysis said anyway homes of the

joint center for political and economic studies and linda chavez of the manhattan institute she was executive director of the us commission on civil rights or in the reagan administration how would you describe what happened why wearing a black hawk i think that this is is it's gonna take a while to sort of sort out what happened i think a lot of people are going to say that this is a referendum on the last twelve years i don't believe it was this is the first time when george bush has been running is george bush's nineteen eighty he was elected in nineteen eighty eight running as reagan too and the problem was that he didn't governors reagan too and i think that the reagan democrats which i used to be one i'll have have returned back to the fold and they've returned back to fall basically because bill clinton ran as a moderate democrat it was awarded what did moshe do romney became too liberal it became too conservative what he did a couple of things wrong i think first and foremost he did not have a vision of what he wanted to do as president of the united states i he ran a campaign in it mediate officially

curing on the reagan mandate that that when he got into office he did not actually governors ronald reagan did i we have more regulations under george bush and we had dozens before jimmy carter jimmy carter started to the deregulation phenomenon and reagan carried it through and then president bush started regulating again he alienated a lot of the supply side people in the republican party and basically it tore apart the coalition that had supported ronald reagan he was left frankly the end only with npr pro life about that was the only issue that he was consistent on end and therefore he was a heat he ended up losing the coalition that have been put together in nineteen eighty anyway i'm going to say it's fair to say that this is more of a defeat for oil for george bush and as a victory for the open gen y expert says suffer from the paralysis of analysis i'm in a bite the bullet and say it was a mandate the vote may not been a man of mandate to mention that mr clemens that something that we all consider a dramatic and in the

process it seems to me there was a mandate for change change in america change in the way of doing things that is what he advocated from the beginning until the end and he got that and the electoral college he got in a big way it appears it also brought him some i'll save some democratic senators and help some others to wear and i think in that way there's another mandate and that is to get rid of gridlock here the democrats i would imagine would have a firm opportunity to bring some things together on different ends of pennsylvania avenue and if they can get that together in the next four years that perhaps they should be outfits twelve more years because it it would unite gray that that bill clinton cannot say what george bush said on his cane and his campaign cars cars is called powers of all congressman bill clinton tries at is our locker and you're absolutely right there it's a guillotine or they don't hang together they'll hang separately by let's go now to work to houston where read james baker former secretary of state no ft kat president bush's closest political and personal friend who's now

president it's b it's b we said cruz had to say at the table is broken

and we respect the majesty of the democratic system i just go the governor clinton over little rock and offered my congratulations he did run a strong campaign i wish him well in the white house and i want the country to an hour with our entire administration will work closely with his aim to ensure the smooth transition of power there is important work to be done and america must always come first so we will get behind this new president at here especially here but all across the country a thank you for your support and we have fought the good fight and we've kept the faith and i believe i am a hotel the honor it's

been after an online or new president and regardless of our differences all americans and that sent share the same purpose but to make this the world's greatest nation more safe and more secure and to guarantee every american a shot at the american dream and i would lie thanks so many of you know workers i've made to improve america and so literally change the world let me thank your great vice president it believes in gratitude and certainly my respect and i would like to salute so many but the special work respond a pbr and say bob here who ran the campaign by mos

backer our entire campaign came and they run a valiant effort in a very very difficult year and i also won a salute the members of the cabinet all of whom have serve who have served this nation with honor with integrity and with great distinction and i would like to single out to leaders to represent the ideals of publics the ideal in public service ad together that helped lead the world through a period of unprecedented transition i'm talking of course about the my national security advisor brent scowcroft the population cores your family as a woman named barbara

it's been nice he's inspired the entire nation and i think the country will always be grateful anybody really at a night first the jews no one is there is there a special message with the young people of america i am absolute ha ha i remain absolutely convinced that we are rising nation we had been an extraordinarily difficult period the do not be deterred kept away from public service and the smoke and fire of a campaign year the ugliness of politics

as the maniac i plan to get the ominous urban try to find ways to help people but i plan to get very active and a grandchild business at an in finding ways to help others but i urge you young people in this country to participate in the political process it need your idealism it needs your drive a major convention and again my thanks my wrist my ear congratulations to governor clinton to his running mate senator gore and on special thanks to each and every one of you many of you have been my side in every single political that's right bush making probably the most difficult speech of his

political life in houston with his family and his friends are conceding defeat is well behind him there over his right shoulder where it is banned for many years and baker referred am a secretary of state actually right now is the chief of staff is the former secretary of state the workers the actors david gergen are your thoughts about this moment that employees we have now must say i did see that i think above the bush well it's very difficult i think to be in that office and to face a vote like this and didn't lose that as there were in our

politics perry's department report for his future jimmy carter has shown that there is life after the presence in fact one can have versailles was very unstructured life and but at the moment of course his endlessly about three i think that they're off his fervor a car for him and it's a good sale for an awful lot of people who believe that ryan and followed them for bush this is a moment early in our winter and grumble when the sense that something was building the last years after twelve years has been destroyed the person you interviewed rebuild so i think there are people out there who care about your literary journal accused of work to do and our kind of wonder what would've been here a while for them to put things back together my gym for those who are not politics which includes most americans most of the time it was a particularly poignant their saying they're used in politics is it is it tough and

painful only public business and losing what was getting to him lose want more than to win primaries going to get them going to run for president it is painfully public has publicly painful and george bush was going through at night and a boston college apartment that away at it was so proud and defeat and i expect in multiple couldn't be humbling victory is i think that's important to have and i liked it but he was looking forward and i think that's important that day got on sunday was grandchildren but to the kids into the young people and that the fisa you can be consumed by dennis after defeat sensitive happened to any number of people and its affiliates of the enormous a public experience and quite unlike happen in the us every year about how everybody ever double date with sat next to in

study hall was one hugh mo was packaging helped carrying health that you lost i don't mean that isn't the way from authors of you get the promotion and gurdon gets it you know who knows about troop presence isn't uncommon for portland iyer linda chavez says as republicans watching a republican president and he is at his lowest possible moment think what was going through your mind willis doesn't in their own way one started the fire already and it was an era that began with the with a landslide victory it's clear that said the party incumbency isn't what it used to be a fickle background into presents the last hundred years who won the second term who have not been in in a war setting but said one of the things that does give me hope is that i think as americans we redefine ourselves periodically in that holds for

clinical redefining as well and i think all of us at this juncture wish that are the changes that clinton would hope to bring about to occur but in the meantime it's a challenge for the republican party now to redefine itself in a way to provide a positive but perhaps contrasting voice in the political violence over the next four years on the opposite i think the first reaction is what a decent and honorable man george bush years and i think that we've had now a couple of months of a george bush as having been for trade is not a decent person and a lot of very nasty things said by the media by a governor clinton and i think we saw george bush as a fine human being he is in terms of rebuilding that coalition a lot of it is going to depend on bill clinton and what he does as president if he governs as a moderate is if he essentially turned out to be a centrist democrat is going to be difficult to win those reagan democrats back

again for the republican party and so a lot of it is up to two bill clinton one of the things i notice though is that the congress that bill clinton is getting at least the senate is going to have a lot of very left of center democrats have been elected people like barbara boxer ion is going to be very interesting to see whether or not bill clinton can keep that centrist bob mould after it has to begin to deal with a congress that nate and in fact try to move him to the left as the congress did with jimmy carter come back to some other things that we hear from our from underwear come in but i want to ask now mark shields my back to a george bush on a personal level you said when when when we went to the scene in houston one present mrs bush came out you asked us can you wonder when they told you when we called george bush was president we had it you're not gonna make it i had the impression that what that we've run than these last several days we've been running that they hit the excerpts from his speeches that they hadn't been told well peter hart care has been through

with walter mondale ninety four he knows but i had the feeling last night watching the houston and we came back to say goodbye to those who'd been his most loyal supporters were if he won his house seat re launched his political career by winning the chairmanship of the harris county republican party when the senate i thought he knew there and i just was a terrible moment when you're just announce a year this is it but even when you even if you know if it if you still have to as you wear your sign are you still have to go out i'm in front of a hundred million people and say okay iranian reynolds well for politicians and some conservatives are sort of recovery or scope because of course that will happen in the well accepted they're there and the western post reported a few days ago that they're dr khan yunis was first friday that it was over and that more talk about he didn't want to make the campaigns are

difficult there is some bitterness i must tell you is tonight her some feeling that the government stop with iran contra story on friday that there's some bitterness of that was dumped on the president the last minute that maybe came close together so just another look in the popular vote our bill clinton is leading with forty four percent pretty consistently over thirty nine percent of president bush and ross perot seventeen percent below and many states ross perot is doing better than that as high as twenty or more percent in some states let's just look at the hand the sort of shape are of bill clinton's victory the key states that he has won the book this victory out together is us states are represented by blue on this map and other states president bush has taken are projected to take represented and read the white ones are has still not been called or in the case of some of the bigger ones like texas and florida are still too close to call and california

is a state where archivist clicking is projected the winner or with only two percent of the presents hard vote counted they appear to be tied with forty one percent it's forty fifty four electoral votes are projected to go to governor clinton new jersey a state that has gone republican i believe peter hartz and so nineteen sixty four lyndon johnson our platoon although it appears tied with seventy nine percent of the precincts reporting forty two percent for each abortion clinton actually that is projected to go to clinton in nat michigan another state and maybe that crucial battleground states the size of clinton's victory there will be is more obvious years leading with forty one percent of the popular vote at the moment in illinois which the polls have given the clinton all through this election campaign clinton has with nearly half of the vote count in half although the popular vote

in illinois to thirty four percent for president bush ohio one of the most fiercely fought states and one that has gone republican since when peter that's that's gone straight through i think we go back to nineteen sixty sixty four then ohio governor clinton is projected to take that and his lead in the popular vote there with the nearly three quarters vote counted as forty one to thirty eight percent for president bush george h our which sharon was one of the earliest signals that bill clinton has cut into what had become in the last few elections the solid republican south except for jimmy carter's victory in georgia you will take you currently have forty five percent of the vote to forty one percent we're on president bush kentucky armed he is going to take art with romney has taken their we have a hundred percent of the vote counted there are clinton wins forty four percent of it to forty two

percent for president bush tennessee he says almost all the vote counted forty eight percent to forty two percent in new mexico cutting into the republican solid republican areas in in the west forty four percent with fifty percent of the votes counted protecting and west virginia is another piece of the clinton victory that state has not gone republican for when well west virginia is one of those things is is it is it clear to you know from having the journalist richard as well adding analyzed somerton listen to some of the exit polls and things one is the chief ingredient of this you will and the service says that it wasn't only the accommodation felt but actually it was that term and strong words for

a republican that it was that president bush had and discovered his own vision of what he wanted to use the presidency for how much is this just bush wiped out by the economy and how much is it in your sense to voters say a sensible presidency they they felt was a failed presidency i think first and foremost it's the economy forty two percent of the voters said what was the most important issue to them it was the economy they voted fifty five percent for bill clinton they voted twenty one percent for ross perot and only one in four voters chose odd george bush and you can start to look and george bush will tomorrow morning and states that have always been republicans switched over a vermont and new hampshire and illinois and we can go right across the country and those are the states where unemployment had gone up the marks the second element which i would agree with linda we constantly asked the voters in our nbc wall street journal poll

this was their goal of vision for george bush sixty percent of the voters told us they had major doubts they headed into why they hadn't after the republican convention they headed at the end so it was the combination of the two things that voters wanted change but george bush never dealt with the economy and that's when you wake up and realize richard wurtman richer i do a decent list of three clearly the economy played a major role robin it wasn't only the unemployment issue but it was naive very sluggish growth and low per capita disposable income people didn't have the purchasing power and the growth of their purchasing power that they have expected to have in the past secondly i do believe that it was not only the vision but the ability to focus the campaign ad campaign or the presidency or well i think they became pretty much the same thing and very early in the campaign and saying that they worked in tandem on the other hand i have to give a bill clinton in his

group tremendous credit for keeping a single minded focus and their major issues but i think there was a third component and that was that bill clinton leverage values more effectively than george bush the family values mantra that came out of that convention i think really backlash and one of the things that i'm very interested in the sale of a born again evangelical voted my guess is that a bill cohen picked up a very subtle portion of that law what do you think of linda chavez is common to all of the reagan coalition president bush was left with was the pro life but i don't agree with that well i think that the fact is that that george bush because of his handling of the economy because of his breaking the note new taxes pledge lost a lot of the economic conservatives and i think that that on a whole variety of issues and civil rights issues you had george bush are bragging during the election that he resign

civil right spell i mean there were a whole lot of those social issues that but he denied himself and he was left with the pro life vote which cut both ways there were a whole lot of women out there particularly women of my generation who simply now that this has put back into the political arena were not comfortable voting for somebody who had as firm a pro life is fish and as george bush did or how do you explain the borscht defeat you for you've got a big victory a new congress defeated a reminder that the substance of the considerations that have been made that was i think talking about some process issues i think we cannot ignore the field leadership in the white house oh the failure of you know the change in the chieftains that that was that was disarray in the white house committee and to this camp at the convention i think was a major problem for the president and the kind of campaign that was waged and i liked it can use this to make a common also about the president's very chair to work charitable remarks they you know the

universe of good comic appeal to young people and i was very interesting because he did not understand young people very well clear from some of his comments and the sit in tv interviews north of a vote him i think a lot of new people came into the political arena but also we saw him as a in a very charitable way quite contrast it with the slash and burn george bush that we saw near the end of the campaign he talked to some of his intimate friends and his relatives as they have soul that george bush is not a slash and burn time that he is a man who's very generous in his heart and that this will never did and that we want them i cannot help but wonder at this point that if that assessment of the man is true what kind of presidency with them then if the real george bush had been unleashed or what kind of campaign would've been on if he could've won it on his own terms rather than running in the shadow of the right yes there was a third candidate in the presidential

races namely ross perot at about ten twenty tonight eastern time he went to a hotel ballroom in dallas texas and there declared bill clinton the one or even before the networks have done so and he spoke of his people he began by going to dance with his wife as he hadn't going to be a very clear view of his remarks and then we're waiting for governor cut them in little rock to have come to this in common except their this victory and stonewall listener ross perot and when that happens right i don't know people will come together possibly starting my third were you did something that everybody said couldn't be done and millions came together to take your country back

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american people are the greatest people in a place near any player would just put our differences aside and together we can rebuild our job we can eliminate the deficit we channel than i did then and most importantly we can based on the american dream a thrill ride ride now the fact that they will go anywhere in a tan and your read about the new administration as an organization does not pay the peak so united we stand american ideas is it

going to get so that over them will back in part and we'll use all the animal's ability that you have to get things done for the benefit of our people in our country there is don't lose your enthusiasm don't lose your audience and don't lose your great love for this country and we don't feel gee i'm powerless again as long as we're together nationwide you have a voice in this month so we will stay together and you will be a force for good and i drove a half years and out there and again discourages is no brand with one of our listeners the plan to redouble our efforts and work with the new administration to make sure that our country is a beacon to the rest of the world

i'm here and that is all that edited by anna laing is the price and make the effort to make those dreams come true that's what america's all about the pope and here we are and anywhere mark shields what should the rest of us carry with us about that man for the rest of our lives based on what he did in nineteen eighty two while he upset all the conventional wisdom conventional wisdom always told that the third party get american voters are

enormously pragmatic people which we are but guerre when it comes down to crunch that gathered when a third party candidate is the third candidate not going to be elected president the fates and people say well if you think and when that didn't happen ross perot when they're a collection day than he did in the polls i think that's i think that's important second thing is peter and dick wirthlin dr dick wirthlin mentioning that the economy was the number one issue as people came out of a polling place and of the two issues the deficit he put there he singlehandedly all by himself both clinton and dirty and bush created like the crazy uncle of kept in the basement and it won't talk about it and i think that they he tapped into something gem that really doesn't give enough attention in this campaign that is that this electorate as american people have become cynical pessimistic and doting about our institutions of government and our leaders government sixty five percent of americans now believe quite a few over politically there's a crooked that's the highest

by wires i mean no one has a yellow one is would you say the government is pretty much run by a few big interest appeal for themselves and that is run for the benefit of all people in nineteen sixty four twenty nine percent thought it was won by a group for a big think you begin to sweat about themselves in nineteen eighty to eighty percent of americans think that well i don't wish talk about ross perot in the past tense and that statement tonight that he intends to remain a force american politics who is willing to work as volunteers to continue spending as much in terms of what it could do for this race but i do think he was partly responsible for them out of general public interest and politics majors at how you have to give him credit for obama turnout question and getting people more involved giving up some sense that they can share in the future i do think even as he did he does deserve credit for bringing the deficit to reform i think he failed on that one issue

we thought it would do more in that was discussing ideas i do not think he presented that squarely to the public in ways that might have been some bad knows formerly did quite good up front you need it it was it was a version that most of it's over here a little bit about some of the things of the world marked up until about amending it at night half hours on paid television knows nine half hours twelve minutes about economics lesson one point and time spent on the outside it's a sacrifice was it was it was i would have you read based on these results the importance of a ross perot what what should we think about him at this point well it's extremely important director you understand that he got seventeen percent of the vote that is a huge portion of the vile secondly but beer before he dropped out he was he was although he was on the high twenties and

early urine and wrong and wrong standard jim about the wrong standard is that die in short he was up in the thirties but look and george wallace to have a region and a sector got about thirteen a half percent of the vote i john anderson got about seven percent this man has done extremely well and he grew at the end rather than diminished and so i don't think you can count when he did the one thing that you have to say is that when voters voted why they voted for him for two reasons they voted for him good is he represented change and the other reason was that he had the best plans as mark shields said that's what the exit polls show one other thing that you have to recognize that this is going to be the challenge to bill clinton when you ask voters how they feel about a potential bill clinton administration a lot of these people will have to be brought along they're not all that kafka so brooklyn's going to have to reach out to those voters they'll come naturally to homes as you could hear in the crab dick wirthlin know pro at the end even started making fun of that himself

when his song crazy and all of that and the idea that he was a wacko with that seventeen percent of the people voted for him to let me think well either it means that there is a tremendous degree of dissatisfaction with those who are governing i believe the peripheries and in a very real sense an alternative that a lot of people felt was worthwhile i'm going to there are two other things that i i i believe come out of this number one non partisan ties or are fairly week they still play a major role but a good alternative campbell seventeen points up like that just set up the signs are one the girl had been able to pull twenty points or twenty one points rather than the seventeen as if he had gone another four five points you could've had a major impact on the economy are likely to turn in a more direct sense who who might win was probably one of the states the other thing to remember about parole is he has something that very few politicians have and that is the resources to go where every want to go with this

message to broadcast there's probably worse frequently is needed and in that way he was very unique anyway enjoy thought about ross perot well i don't believe you he represent a significant protest and that that signified a great deal of on he's innocent the electorate about the candidates and about the way things were going i still depend not convinced that the electorate had a tremendous amount of emphasis if interest in seeing ross perot become president but his legacy i think is rather significantly on the things already mentioned for example i think his presence and his impact will precipitate a sink never get paid about our presidential selection process about faith about the two party system and whether it is working about the electoral college and i were ready to really seriously contemplate direct popular vote about the role of third party candidate an independent candidate that might encourage more serious people to take an interest in winning his third party candidate but the thing is discussion is likely to be around the question up money in

presidential politics for me for example on fire and his presence in the money he had to apply reading to believe it thank goodness david duke was not a billionaire and we have to come to grips with this and use of money or to finesse the traditional screening process which he successfully did i'm just going to quote in a few moments as ryan to speak so it would just thought what are your thoughts about raj i think he is in part responsible for governor quinn's been elected and i think it not because those voters would automatically gone to george bush but because he was in there and hammering at george bush and focusing on the economy and doing in a way that sometimes was dishonest i i think helped undermine george bush as a candidate thank you robert the store waiting for governor but we're going to go to charlayne hunter gault who's at the bush election headquarters election night headquarters in houston charlayne the worst people exactly what has happened to themselves well a

lot of interesting explanation is going on here and it's a little bit of little bit of the dial a little bit of playing while playing on the media and a lot of talk about a mile people came in here same handwriting on the wall that they didn't expect to lose in such a way that that has led to the blame game and a lot of blame on the media among people in this room is that this is initially is that just among all the supporters of the president has just address their hours and among the area's advisors and the people around him yeah i think of them on both because hamas run mosque back of the finance in earlier this evening and he started writing again on the fact that the media was very biased in this and he had a lot to do with changing a grimmer picture of the economy and of the

country that he says is really the case and this was echoed throughout this room tonight marlin fitzwater is in the room now speaking with reporters he may come to lessen as well and he just smiled a sort of yes yes kind of smile when someone raise the question about whether or not the media had its share of lane and difficult thing so i think it's pretty broadly shared by the policy people as well as the others but the interesting thing is in terms of the blame game a lot of supporters in this room are blaming the campaign itself they think that this was a terrible campaign that roger ailes and lee atwater are very much miss the commercial space that was going on the air and they cite the fact that bush didn't ever seem to really engage in this campaign it's a very in a thought that was a very big mistake so as one black republicans will be there

is a lot of self assessment and the dialogue start now because as one of the republicans that this is a very fractured party and we've got to address those things that are external factors to it but also the internal charlene don't go away let's just ordered two words judy woodruff who is at the ear splitting their headquarters in little rock judea what is the r word is the word there are now on how quickly they're going to start moving with well robin we have not talked to anyone this evening because ever since the polls started to close earlier people i've been closeted a campaign headquarters in with the governor of the mansion or what we were told before that is that this man does governor is someone who wants to get started very soon indeed wants to start there was a transition leading this afternoon we're told we're told he wants to move very quickly not just to put a transition team together but to

name the members of his cabinet to get you think i was told this afternoon that the governor recognizes in no uncertain terms diaz seriousness of the job that lies ahead of him it understands that the expectations are high in his wife laurie are not going to take a vacation so we're told until thanksgiving which is what three weeks or so for now and i didn't take any time off that i keep moving you have been able to learn as you do sense what they are reactions were to the graceful out concession speech by president bush and also by ross perot now i wish i could answer that robin that again that that the people who were closest that the governor to president elect when i have not been a nine here in this convention center where we are right next to the old state house where his motorcade as is working its way to be there so he can get his his remarks in a few minutes so they are with them they told us earlier today they want to be with them as they watched the results come in tonight and they said will be available to you i assume

is that we know what the results are as soon as is he makes his remarks that we have not seen him since then i'll be interested to hear well world will love will come back to both you and i'll shine and a little later richard wirthlin what does this do to the republican party right now sir well the situation robin clearly a debt has dealt a blow to the republican party to believe that i did anything else would dare really and i the reality of what's happened and it does it leave one republican party or does it leave a number of pieces there it's going to claim that they should be the world to take over the year i think what and i think we'll see three or four phases in terms of what this is done to the party and to begin with there are there will be that that phase in which a lot of people will try to determine what in fact happened this evening in terms of what we do tomorrow as a party suddenly without question they're going to the various factions that literature an attempt to to leverage the power of that each of those

factions might have i think will say robin in a year eighteen months call a sense of those factions were larger brian were before the republican identification is as strong as it was in nineteen eighty four when reagan won his twenty percent victory and the question is now putting those pieces back under an umbrella going to be hard because we don't have the national leadership we don't have a person around which we can create the spokes of a new coalition i believe it will come back together it'll take a little time or do you see the republican party now where that where this leaves them you have all the talk about the year of the religious right job trying to stake a claim for it so we ran a very strong views from california showing some of that evidence the other night and then there is survey lee the the bush wing of the party which must be

psychologically very accurate pressed tonight and and there is the remnants of the reagan wing of the party what would you say that there are a lot of emotions there is america's number people are trying to re write history the last few years and then they'll be get your butt themselves a positive role at the rails in a row you define that was people to some degree of our start blaming recognize the real answer is a few folks in our listeners you would run this kind of presence in rome when the runners come the campaign the conservatives or are you george bush was a non activist they do if they had to pay off a decade ago a coalition that was building an economy that was moving his drive both the halibut of those people are you have that something that was a it was self destructing it was already at the size of the districts maria sirena find that kind of back and forth that there are going to be i think some sharp divisions between what do you recall now the mainstream republicans versus the young religious right be the mainstream republicans are very fearful that the religious right is going to take over

one state after another that the organizational level local precinct level it to refineries power centers emerging within republican party bob dole tonight for example it would be seen as a power center of our ghosts at night he helped organize a coalition with the perot voters he's talking as dr ross perot three times in the past week about the viability of the tarp ross perot mark is bob dole's argument is if you had a pro voters to filibuster you've got more than half and therefore this ought to be in effect the opposition that's going to want a person with a republican governors will be another reason a tendency robin for to say the republican party is going to fracture as an animal somehow self destructive remember twice before the last twenty five years people have written off the party after go water after watergate both and he came back in four has recaptured the white house of valleys partitioned but i felt that you know this can be a rough few weeks it's been long long knives yes we want to go back now to kwame home and for an update on how the various races for the senate and the house representatives are going on it and one update a couple of senate races

in missouri the incumbent christopher kit bond is now declared the winner over jerry robinson robin missouri senate race in pennsylvania lynn ikle has failed to upset incumbent senator arlen specter in a very tight race there but arlen specter has retained the senate seat from pennsylvania moving to the house of representatives and particularly to members of the house of representatives who had overdrafts in the famous house bank so called check bouncers ted strickland a democrat is locked with bob mckeown republican in a very tight race mcewen had more than a hundred fifty over address of his house bank account too close to call there in also in ohio mary rose or car is losing badly to martin hope at this point oh car had many overdraft at the house bank as well in massachusetts joseph early the democrat is losing badly to peter bloom early was among twenty

two of the top abusers so called of his house bank account also in massachusetts losing is nicholas never lewis who is under indictment by a federal grand jury on seventeen counts including racketeering and bribery is losing to republican peter torkelson in texas charles wilson the democrat incumbent ten terms despite having eighty one overdress of the house bank has won reelection to his house seat from texas over donna peterson in iowa jenna lightfoot had one hundred and five over dress up the house bank he is winning right now over democrat elaine baxter moving now to some races involving incumbent versus incumbent in iowa david naval and jim nussle to republicans to work nussle the republican and nadler democrat moved into redrawn district that pitted them against each other they're separated by about five

hundred votes at this point too close to call in montana ron marlon a is losing to pat williams in the new district they're the two the two incumbents run against each other marlon a it is losing his the eight term or williams a one term democrat is winning turning now to some of the leadership races that were in the house of representatives that were thought to be very tough for those leadership members it's turning out not to be that way for david bonier the majority whip the democrat who is winning over douglas carle the republican dan rostenkowski was thought to have a tough fight against gop member allies then kids that has not turned out to be the case rostenkowski will return to the house of representatives as chairman of the house ways and means committee les aspin thought to have a tough time against mark neumann the republican but les aspin has one will return as house armed services committee chairman jamie within the democrat twenty six terms in the house of representatives he will get a twenty seven he's eighty two years old and failing

health was temporarily relieved of his duties as house appropriations committee chairman because of his failing health but he has won reelection over clyde would occur and in georgia newt gingrich was in a tough race with democrat ronnie center newt gingrich has won you return is the house minority whip going back to jim robbins this psychic one gaffe like equality out why this was both have a bad night for the incumbent's the big incumbent president had a bad night that and then the rest of them didn't do so badly didn't know i didn't i mean i was wrong time i was just i really thought that would be more of an earthquake and i think that obviously we've seen almost a pattern we've created over the past three years this disenchantment been growing in nineteen eighty the first time in history the average incumbents margin of victory decrease in both parties would have had that look well we had democrats have their margins in the republican year republicans have them are just interested in both parties did a nineteen ninety

one we have that we really had that whole revolted in pennsylvania with with dick thornburgh losing and it was really upsetting for the democratic senator that a campaign addressed enough run by two people or james carville and paul begala have a lot of homework and deny national prominence in multiple wars wall by all the democratic presidential candidates none more and for tuning in his efforts than bill clinton the governor arkansas and i think most people who follow the campaign would give a boy carla developed considerable credit for the strategy that the clinton so steadfastly followed but that but what would happen to me so the army's list your people most people would last for people with a special case or we're in big trouble there was a personal scandal attached we didn't get that up partisan cutthroat you know how do you explain that fear of our daily it didn't go everybody thought the only senators about income and summers unless i've missed one and correct me about that was that kassem a wisconsin

republican incumbent robert kesten and terry sanford a democratic incumbent in a north carolina yes i'm john seymour who in california who was in the wanted to do that but there was there were all kinds of speculation in the last twenty four hours that there or the white flour gluten and georgia whole left didn't happen fritz hollings was both good and i didn't know what would happen well i think that in the senate individual cases and what surprised me and i agree with mark is that the house incumbents have done are much better than i would have expected and the interesting thing is that ah although people said in the surveys those who are pro voters i'm going to vote for somebody new looks like when they went into the polls based on the exit polls they voted just as much for the incumbent as the challenger so they were saying i want change i want change except i want this guy who's my guys and so in that respect they return to the

conventional fold them they surprised us in terms of what they did but there are a couple of senate races out there that may also provide change it and i think we still have odd the state of washington i think that we're also looking at the state of oregon i can't get but it i thought oh patty murray already been declared a winner i dunno you're right you're right which tells us something about the story of how well women are doing tonight because we started out with two women in the united states senate we've added i'm dianne feinstein out of california barbara boxer in california law and i'm as murray in the state of washington and carol moseley braun in illinois to were up to at least six half female senators that's a pretty good showing for the women speaking of women or what is europe religion why the incumbent of them after all i think part of the problem was that the whole campaign against incumbents was campaigning with a campaign against democrats and the president if he had been in a stronger position could have run against the congress but in fact he didn't and many of the republicans who were running

our were sort of trying to distance themselves i don't think you get the post office scandal the check writing scandal neither of those materialized in quite the way that i think the republican party hope they would as a vote against the congress congress just wasn't that big initially you agreed to work on i do i believe that people apply general principles and i always don't assess against their own land on incumbent senators and congressmen i think generally people want or months but when it comes to learning to someone that's from a or someone that is is perhaps something for the kenyan state the tendency is to reinforced sand and cast ballots remain calm but i think we saw that golden the selection in spain's airwaves well it's like getting injured another pro life that was supposed to be a character questions they did not materialize is big issues in the presidential election than in not materialize as big issues politically in the house that was a third of the electorate was concerned i think it went on to another level to look

at the substantive what what the candidates had to offer in terms of their service in congress edgar my sister's baby robot my sense is that the anti incumbency move was child more and more into george bush becoming the symbol of incumbency and that congress for disappears as you're going backward savior the present was never able to elevate the question of democrats in congress to add to a major part of his argument that's a riff off to the side and he became the symbol and i think all the energy channeled into the race against him or somebody had said i read this that he had so many problems himself if you can assert that to another letter the presence of that summit proms and he was and he would really go after anybody eerie really help anybody who was trying to go after an income but that's absolutely right and then the advent and i guess with arabic or that are here that they prefer the republicans very little way for a visit and then they will be attached to them so but any event the whole anti incumbency feeling all expressed itself for like a prison

does to a couple of races we still don't know about a massive solo you'll tell me in my ear that i had this apartment all about not one idaho oregon of the oregon raced toward a very interesting race between nerve center of aurora packwood her longtime republican incumbent reef we're and congressman not less so called cotton who is a house member a democrat and also has a long eighteen years and that we don't have we don't have any results on that one but that that could be also an interesting one that another so if in fact the democrats were to win those two seats i think then they would have this sixty i do i do or just making a comment because of what david david what about the republicans and republicans jammed with through a traumatic experience politically they shear the republican candidates for congress they had been used to i have been writing this great as his tiny shorenstein the legendary brooklyn leader of the democratic party during the new deal was referred to franklin

roosevelt as the staten island ferry and bringing in his wake with them a cigarette butts in the coffee cups in the end of our wrappers and that was detected they just came along with that was that military effectiveness of republicans have had that they've had it was ronald reagan twice in three landslide in this decade and all of a sudden taking a thirty seven percent of all what jeez i mean you look in here ears of music i think there is ever present that he's getting ok i'm very loyal to him not to close so and somehow persuade at least one out of four people are voting for parole or clinton to vote from a job that became a very difficult thing for republicans and it was it was it was different because of psychological adjustment there was let's get the votes for one thing i think you can say that american voters in nineteen eighty two have said will choose actually lowers the risk of one party the patrol were willing to break the gridlock ok we're willing to say democrats your response i'm only democrats welcoming at right now but they're rarely response or four years and a veil perform live on you agree with that david i

mean and nobody got democrats won't be able to duck responsibility for what happened four years ago when the president bounded house members include freshmen house members who were elected today they're all part now of all been on the line one of the best whatever side where whatever character is for them one of the signs of britains raised as we know have watched it starts with his mccain at it i think we're going to see you know the number of liberals may be locked inside linda said earlier i think some of those democrats are going to move a bit more to the center because i've been in posturing degree the virus were constituents and i think that when they have to govern the right to vote more spots where i think they're probably going to take a little bit into one of those sales and they're hopeful like magic we're none of lung screening result we have from idaho and oregon there's oregon first early with the family well now there's no one of undeclared that's elisa that's why it speaks for itself point three percent of the precincts reporting backward with a lead fifty two to forty eight that that's that

certainly at those in the holding cell held a bit so it's like i don't know where we're already or dirk kempthorne against richard stalin's son african foreigners because of way ahead there but we still don't know there's not that has not been called let's go well back to robert run businesses to have another look at the national lab because two more states that have been declared wyoming went to grow sittin porsche with it serves three electoral votes and montana has just gone to bill clinton i don't think we have montana turned blue yet but we are we will in a moment which means that so far governor clinton has taken thirty two states and president bush twelve states that isn't payout isn't a route by any need president bush is at twelve states and it's nothing like some of the defeats the democrats have suffered recently or the barry goldwater seven sixty we're certainly true but keep the map on the causes is a fascinating story

that you're seeing right here and that is in the rocky mountain state the area the dick wirthlin knows so well the republicans have always turned every state red and when you start to see in new mexico i turning colorado and montana and we still have nevada and arizona out there so it could end up with the democrats could do as well and i think the fascinating story about tonight is not necessarily how the true southerners did in the south but what they did in states like the rocky mountains for a bird don't take anything with a map of the point i was going to make is even if the bill clinton took every other state that is outstanding at the moment president bush still won twelve states which is and we'll have something in the vicinity of a hundred electoral votes which is set which is not not the kind of rout that some candidates itself was robbed name the last incumbent president got thirty six percent of the vote and a hundred

electoral votes i mean you're going to be going back a little bit i think i wanted to and i want to raise another incident they want more income but we forgot to mention all the matter when new york defeating early state attorney general bill is and that's still we're still waiting when i wanted to raise is pick up on something and e williamson earlier clinton with is forty four percent are what he ends up with about a denied a majority as other senate term in order to robert dole was very strong to point out in an interview i saw on abc earlier this evening when he said were david gergen mentioned that he was going to it was now up to the republicans to try and garner the pillows supporters in mecca coalition of them anyway lynch's said he hasn't got a mandate really has to create and then how does he create a man as elegant and go about creating one steinway's put together a coalition to take these three tuesdays i

think he has to provide that the leadership to bring people together and i just wonder why does wander were cleared make clear that the matter has held his ascendancy i think that you wouldn't go on the record and i worry about a lot of interesting developments in the mothers as well as well i think a lot people looking at him and say what does all of this mean what does what would you know i mean in terms of growing the economy what do you mean no in terms of providing universal health care and he's going to bring a lot of people involved in the decision in the sense that the democrats have won but they have won by bringing together a fascinating collision representatives from the democratic leadership group or moderately conservative democrats have brought back the reagan democrats they got minorities in and they get women in there they've got labor and then that is not a coalition that is going to be easily gotten does that mean he's going to get very specific cork on what regulators acerbic wit and he has to bring in players from each of these groups to help him read some kind of

consensus and he's got to bring in the congress on that concerns marc or do you think there it has to do to make up whatever political deficiency they're using not having a majority of the popular vote but my recommendation to him would be to live learn from and george bush i had that day that it quickly communicate to the american people to his core convictions he is one of the brilliant victory a great tribute to him and in his political figures he was accused by the bush people during the campaign of not having pork and welcomes exactly the charge that was made of the president that's right and enjoy george bush you i guess were joined forced to learn with this problem in the middle on it too one of plunder this country to ten percent the highest that advances the great depression while writing can believe of the state it's a stay the course and almost a forty percent in ridiculous that there was they wouldn't really know what he believes george bush and no point his presidency can say stay the course because people aren't sure what an uncertain what the

course was bill clinton has to make sure in the next for a half for months the people no one of course is that they understand where he wants to go and he's firmly convinced he became deeply by were what does that translate into marketing does that translate into a very early and very specific legislative package that is ready to go back to the moment the congress it i think again john john sears who was ronald reagan's campaign manager in council to richard nixon said the new president has a hundred days a hundred days once in office nine and he better be able to start from that moment because they murdered people what was it we are i think actually marvelous won election over americans as george bush was brilliant tonight in an admirable so was broad ross perot and saying it's over we have a winner let's get behind that is an american american value in attitude one i admire enormously we want the president to do well is that it's not totally optimistic that some selfishness bigger the

president down that of other countries do so he's really get that their hundred days of of goodwill of the benefit of the doubt and have people wanting because they don't believe that they've chosen change they want change they want new course charted and that's it that says it is opening for maybe i'll just bring another route democratic voice in here and then as the republicans what they think there'll appear or do you think he needs to do to two to make something make concrete some of the hopes that he's clearly a lot of stimulus well i would underscore exactly what mark said and i would say what the voters expect is that you will do something quickly and directly on the economy that indeed is your covenant with the voters that's what they expect more than everything else and secondly don't try and do everything in the world select two things doing well and doing really when the shallows you were nodding and what you how can make is a mandate credible and how difficult is it going to be do you think

well i think he's going to get a bit of a free ride on the economy because in fact the numbers have been taking up the economy is improving and i think that clinton is going to inherit the benefit of that unfortunate came too late for george bush that because the numbers are going in the right direction now we're going to see commentators talking about the improving economy in and cleans gonna benefit from that the real question is going to be how he reaches out to those people who voted for president bush or who voted for ross perot and whether or not he's able to hold together us support from that group and the fact is this man has been elected with a plurality of the vote not with the majority and he's going to have a mandate he's going to have to stay firmly in the center or maybe even move slightly to the right and it's gonna be difficult to do with this congress hear her it's dark let's go

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tally will give an honest and i see a telephone call from president bush it was a generous and forthcoming telephoto of real congratulations an offer to work with me and keeping our democracy running an effective and important transitions i want all of you to join with the night in expressing our gratitude to president bush or his lifetime of public service for the everyday from the time he was a young soldier in world war two that helping to bring about an end to the cold war to our victory in the gulf war to the grace with which he conceded the results of this election tonight and the finest american tradition at it

tonight mr burroughs remarks and has offered to work with ice i said you of all the things that he said i play perhaps the most important that we understand here mr lande of arkansas is the major reform of the political system to reduce the influence of special interests and get more influenced by caterpillar in this crowd and i remember that cruz let me say how profoundly and then i am tonight the oddly forces will be on the wonderful people that work in this administration lieutenant you know and leonel news says the idea has a running mate senator warren is at elmore is a man of all

laws on parallel domination of intelligence commitment compassion and concern to the people of this country to allegations of years our environment and peace in the world and together we're going to do our best to give you a new partnership for a new america and i want to thank our soul and his brother in law and his wonderful parents they made about as many motives