The MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour

ms bee meaning the leading headlines today with a's president reagan vetoed the emergency farm credit bill the body of the missing us drug agent was found in mexico and the prime minister of their layers the united states to negotiate over the star wars defense plant robin there's a rundown on tonight's newshour after hour news and a summary we focus on the farm veto and how all the parties stage they're various positions today we have a major focus and debate section on reagan budget cuts and low income housing and we have an update on the issue of violence against abortion clinics eller the macneil lehrer newshour is funded by at and t the corporation for public broadcasting and the station and other public television stations

president reagan took the bait a second and then veto the emergency farm credit bill farm state senators and house members who work the legislation through ground congress had dared mr reagan devito say would mean he was turning his back on the farmers of america and their time of need i'm as the reagan said the issue was the federal budget deficit and the need to cut spending and the day's exchange a photo opportunities and television soundbites mr reagan got the last word from the oval office today i have the top of this massive new bailout that would add billions to the deficit over the next several years the speaker of the things that bill ivy too would not really help farmers it's too late in the season for this bill is clearly designed to convey the impression of helping farmers if congress wants to help it will help us reduce unnecessary spending and increase incentives for greater real economic growth which will provide confidence to the markets and help interest rates come further down the bottom

line is that someone in washington must be responsible someone must be willing to stand up for both americas bills and someone was stand up to those who say here's the key there is the treasury just take as many have those hard earned tax dollars as you want and now that i have vetoed this bill filed for congress will get the message and work with me to reduce spending in a responsible way that does not threaten our national security if it doesn't and i'll do what must be done i will veto again and again until spending is brought under control acknowledgement that mr reagan didn't facts speak the last word came later from house speaker thomas o'neill he said farm state legislators could muster enough votes to override the president's veto on the house but not the senate i'm sorry that the present has disappointed so many people with his decision and the best of funk wrote a bill president said that the issue is the budget the fact is this bill will cost a quarter of a billion

dollars over six years here it actually two hundred and fifty four million dollars for an administration that has added a trillion dollars to the national debt this is a reasonable price for ensuring the survival our own american way of life we in congress will continue to fight for the needs of the american farmer the president needs and all the politics is the art of compromise and it was not be as into the problem of emerging farmers alike to expect from the us government but his government is doing everything it possibly can to restore his economic security earlier supporters of the farm legislation staged a mock signing of the bill on the steps of the us capitol building and then march the lafayette park across the street from the white house to demonstrate we will have a full report on this day of a farm be till later in the program from a

mac second police have discovered the bodies of an american drug agents and his mexican pilot who were kidnapped last month the bodies of enrique common salazar an american employee of the drug enforcement agency and all for those of our law his pilot were found wrapped in plastic bags near the scene of the shootout with drug smugglers us agent and pilot were kidnapped on february seventh in guadalajara which va officials and has become a major center for heroin traffic to the united states president reagan actually play two versions of the federal budget to him today he chastised congress for trying to spend too much when he veto the farm bill but earlier in the day he urged congress to spend more federal budget money only annex missile he spoke to a group of house democrats at the white house about that and then to a group of civic and business leaders that bulky said on him for the imax was linked to arms control negotiations with the soviets our goal was to negotiate with the soviets to reach agreements which will

permit is to reduce the number of weapons threatening mankind both nuclear and conventional and as you're aware next week we will begin negotiations in geneva the vote on a peacekeeper is also a vote on geneva and the soviets are watching this with intense interest so let no one this judge was at stake rejecting the peacekeeper were not the legs out from under the negotiating table leading the soviets no conclusion but that america lacks unity and rizzo i can think of no greater disaster than negotiating position of the united states we can as does not make for good negotiations there should be no mistake a rejection of a peacekeeper would diminish our chance of reaching a fair and equitable arms reduction agreement now or in the future italian prime minister but you know cracks he spoke of missiles also on a speech today to a joint session of congress he said he supported the us planned to go ahead with research on star wars missile defense system

but said the us should negotiate with the soviet union over the results of that research are actually getting is talking in italian as members of the house and senate all along with a written translations or because the speech was interrupted ten times by applause oh the state department said today that the united states will speed up a shipment of armored vehicles artillery and other military equipment for thailand which is fighting incursions by vietnamese troops the time and they said its troops and aircraft attacked vietnamese forces across the border from cambodia and occupied three heroes in thailand the vietnamese were trying to surround cambodian rebels are the base just across the frontier tyson they recaptured one will until sixty eight in egypt's president mubarak and king hussein of jordan never the seaside resort and urged the united states to talk with a joint palestinian and jordanian delegation as a step towards reviving middle east peace talks

there's a report from alastair clark of business president mubarak accused the reagan administration next week and that meeting with king hussein any different approach to the peace initiative that apparently didn't think that the pope and you must be involved in a regional settlement that both know that the us probably will definitely will not speak with the plo or king hussein believe most brac might be able to persuade washington to change its mind that remains unlikely of the jordanian much know that without the plo felt that the patient but you any peace settlement would be acceptable to the palestinians and the rest of the arab world but the puzzle for a preliminary round of arab american jobs was rejected at once by an unidentified israeli official who said his country insists and talking directly with the jordanians and the palestinians in korea opposition leader can die junge was released from house arrest and several other opponents of the government were permitted to resume political

activity that did not include ken will still be barred on the ground that he was once found guilty of sedition two ongoing legal stories that updates today the republican governor of indiana suit the democratic controlled us house are represented it's over the disputed eighth district indiana congressional say the petition was filed with us supreme court and asked that the house order to seek republican richard mcintyre he was certified the water against democratic incumbent frank murkowski about houses repeatedly voted against seating macintyre because of alleged vote count irregularities and in knoxville tennessee financier jp butcher was indicted on income tax fraud charges witcher who ran for governor of tennessee twice an organized the nineteen eighty two world's fair in knoxville was indicted earlier for bank fraud he headed a one point five billion dollar chain of banks and tennessee which collapsed in nineteen eighty three in new york an american world airways pilots agreed to cross the picket line set up by

the ground crews have been on strike since last thursday line said that would make it possible to fly about half of the usual number of flights and we have some unusual pictures from soviet television showing the rescue of a thousand whales trapped beneath the ice in remote sound of the bering sea between the soviet union and alaska the whales followed a school of fish into the sound and were unable to swim out again the soviets flu and then by helicopter to chop holes in the eyes of the whales could breathe and so the rescue plan a good thing when the whales and fish beneath the eyes then the soviets sent in the icebreaker moscow which arrived after a three week voyage to open a path through the ice and provide the whales were the way back to the open sea of commentary on soviet tv said the ship played classical music to calm the agitated wales members of congress from farm states said

mr president we are going to pass an emergency farm credit bill i will be killed if he does that the president will call that bluff said the congress expelled bluff said the president great said that congress and us what the tale of the great farm bill veto confrontations cokie roberts of national public radio has our story teller for today's final chapter qatari unusual bills signing ceremony took place on the capitol steps today the wayside as we call it there's a chance tonight in a few weeks it can be too late for this year's crop was citing the family farms on their noses the online home and site democratic governors from midwestern states dealing with lawmakers to make a political point they were president the farm credit going to become law it revealed that bailing it embarrass

rappaport many of these same farmers rioted in the last election and now he's turning his back on an it revealed this bill so my responsibility rather than you know this bill you better this year and next you know year to embarrass the president the democrats in march with a group of farmers to the white house where minnesota democratic governor really privileged made it to the president for the benefit of the press the only way that we can help these farmers but by having the president signed this bill today is i stand on here it just comes to me that the president is probably is insulated ariz isolated from what is really happening enroll america there's a lot of data is suffering out there and if we can help these farmers alleged here to do i know we're going to work not for the automotive industry the ramos on their back we got not

a competitive of our farmers into the same fight if you only get us through this period the democratic bill delivery service then marched across the street at the white house to give the president of my copy of the farm credit legislation continue an item and arrived earlier by usual career and lawmakers looking to the oval office the re routed underneath their feet and they'll nuzzle is the latest in a series of democratic intends to read some political advantage isis yesterday house democrats managed to rush through a senate passed farm bill in order to get it quickly to the republican president's desk it was a tactic to raise the ire of house republicans again today we seem to be more concerned about harvesting votes rather than harvesting crops the purpose of this rule as i understand it is to accept the senate amendments on the farm bill so that we can avoid a conference and send this legislation directly to the present forcing him to do that politically unpopular thing and people that they'll it's very very clear to

me and i think everybody else on the side of the aisle that you have decided on your side of the aisle that you're more interested in the beat you know you're more interested in the public relations aspects of this year mowry arrested an embarrassing the president the united states than you are and being any kind of assistance whatsoever for the farmers and ranchers in the united states that have bigger the farmers are being used as pawns in a game a political chess and a fourth truly interested in doing something we've got to get together we gotta get together with the president with the members of the other body and what the us house in order to put together the type of compromise that is going to be acceptable for the president to sign all the speeches all this demagoguery all those posturing isn't going to get one dollar in the north was there regardless of democratic mode as farms they republicans want to make sure to stay on the safe side of farm legislation they voted with the democrats i rise in support of this rule id card or procedure under which it has been brought before the house i think

politics have no place in this situation where agriculture is that states that let me say this is the only train that's going out of the station now i think the best a better bill last week that i'm going to vote for this bill and supported democrats protested their motives were purer they simply wanted to help the farmers rob ford fusion and boy turns out that this is going on president of the united states maybe it was absurd and untrue that report by cokie roberts of national public radio thirty house republicans did john the democratic majority and voted against the farm credit legislation but that's not voted for the forgotten legislation but that's not enough to override the president's veto announce bigger thomas o'neill said the democrat would not even try ronald reagan was at his desk in the oval office and on television when he announced that the girl reporters then

asked them a few questions about what he had just done well i believe if those in congress vote as they voted for the piece of legislation that they are there's the same same way with regard to alito yes it will be ok the democrats are simple where you feel the train because all the republican political was well the thing is that farmers would only consider that as they would recognize that we are helping i've just given the figures the four and a half billion dollars it's already planned for their help plus fifteen billion we have spent fifty billion dollars on aid to farmers in the last four years more than three years a matter of fact you need

immediate help are less than four percent for around four percent of the best of all the farmers in the united states ninety six percent do not have any liquidity problems well i would rather treat with the issue as it relates to our own financial problems of the federal government not as a polluted she flipped as the things that i certainly don't think the timing of this to work a bill on food aid for starving people in africa was exactly the way to go in this kind of legislation as a matter of fact have emphasized the relieved for a line item vetoes later the second and white house deputy press secretary larry speaks to reporters the administration is not going to compromise on the farm bill speak said president reagan believes is compromised enough on this issue already

still to come on the newshour tonight what reagan budget cuts are doing to low income housing and an update on the controversy over violence against abortion clinics hey oh next tonight we focus on the part of the reagan administration budget cutting it has not received the dramatic coverage of the battles over far major defense the area is federal housing for low income persons in the reagan years no part of federal spending has felt bigger cuts and this year even sharper cuts proposed proposals of gunfire from urban housing advocacy groups but the administration says the cuts are a major part of their effort to control federal spending there's a wide variety of federal housing programs but the biggest budget item is usually to add new units by building them directly or paying for renovations or subsidizing rents an existing

units in nineteen eighty one the last cantor budget congress authorized some thirty one billion dollars in this category by this year that toddle and fall into ten billion dollars and from nineteen eighty six the administration is proposing only half a billion over five years that has a ninety eight percent decline cutbacks are also proposed in aid to local housing authorities and in a variety of popular urban age programme some of which provide housing during the man president reagan has in charge of the federal housing programs is the secretary of housing and urban development center appears that sectarian are you do you have any regrets at all about the cops and federal housing programs allen says if we had the money would be better of course to have as much a housing issue possibly could as much as the money can allow but we do have a very important deficit problem facing us we have to face up to with our economy will be in trouble unless we address

the problem successfully and i believe we will end were on the way that words about and in the meantime i want to stress that we are not really hurting assistant housing people are still continue with the housing that they have nowhere and actually increase their housing even during a period of a two year moratorium there will be two hundred and seven thousand units that will come on board during that time even during the moratorium so we're not turning our back when the people but we have to say what must we do in order to address this deficit problem successfully because if we don't then our nation will be in serious economic trouble and then also for when you're poor rich will be a black white indian yellow green whatever is yourself are very much i was we get this thing in life and so we are moving and we are going to get this in line i were making i think great progress point it at the same time we are not

neglecting the the people were mostly news i'm not a factor i took office we had three point two million assistant housing units today we have about three point eight million and by nineteen eighty six that we're not have all over four million so we've been constantly growing and improving that even under this situation what are all those units that come online a result of programs or pastor in the curtains or that's a line to walk administration's is tested through and it's not better or i might say is there is a new units the other minorities the issue and all of them but a great deal of on and what has happened is the current pipeline is used up and i might say this that many of these units if we didn't want to wouldn't come on board because on the division examples out and it a one a two people lead section eight new construction units were having a hard time or section a saturated niche am

building construction section of the code and dave what happened was these people were having a hard time paying the interest that was necessary because it's a record that time interest rates were way up and so i devised a thing called financial adjustment factor which pain part of the interest one for these builders and by that they were able to build a political in a work of a bill unless they got well i got it and as a result we put eighty seven thousand more buildings there were built so you see we helped and we could've if we didn't want to just stop that that's not the only thing that we could be obligate much more than we did we could've gotten rid of buildings we haven't we'd done a lot and we have call was this amount of ousting become one strain we had not tried to destroy if we were with we wanted to we call that we would have that was going out at all back to the budget cuts are using same than that if it was not for the federal budget deficit is but these cuts

in federal housing program should not be in other words if you need help but this is an economic matter not a philosophical matter about and that is our role as that's exactly right there's an economic matter because our ultimate objective is to win this battle we have with the deficit in a sentimental government should withdraw well actually not that nobody else is saying that we do not intend to withdraw and if we could turn the economy around and make things well and so and our deficit down we would put more money into housing i might say this you were able to turn our economy around then i would have no doubt that more people would have jobs or be less reason to have us as much assistance housing as we do other reports correctly say that she got whipped up on by the budget director david stockman that you wanted a lot more and that you didn't get it now i've begun i have had fights to the i won some battles he's won so i think we were able to keep your data for years we did because the spirituality as action grants and then i think that

there were a will keep the fha ties is with my work in the end they getting made but there comes time when you move about a new law that i was this battle on one new day and again as i say i was the battle but i'm not ashamed of it because i know you have to look at programs and pick some to knock out so that you can be able to fight the big battle a real big battle is the debt the deficit battle and this was was taken out at this time and is not just today it's walt local economic development programs programs are like the appalachian regional commission used programs like that economic development administration hackers are all these programs are going up not just you get is not a city itself it's about a philosophy and not these programs out to bring about yeah on more aid and winning a battle which is to defeat the deficit chartered bank it'll go away but we will probably

even before the proposed further cuts there was a report a growing shortage of affordable rental housing for low income americans a losing record reports from chicago on the search for a decent place to live when he juggles phone calls that she tries to wrap up her data collection specialist for the zurich insurance company in suburban schomburg illinois and the fact that genes but not all of the calls are from clients and then they get and i'm coming home construction like a working mother's seventy one job of the office starts the next one the easiest to keep out of italians to have a partner i have

no one take home pay goes wrong right now with that for guys out of the housing authority that was two years ago that that i was told i was a six month to win your way that last and then you heard what now it's been over two years and it looks like another year a year you know what it means you need to be able to get some help well when you know when it gets some dental work done that it actually i can get a lot of medical things done that i normally just ignore spent about four years until a doctor but there's a little disappointed anytime in the next two years there are three thousand people waiting for subsidized housing in suburban cobb county and most of them have been on the waiting list for at least two years to indeed it didn't have that the non profit foundation could write about the growth in chicago he says the housing policies of the reagan administration offer little hope of people likely to be in terms of human

rights developed but those people could occupy there is no future for them they won't remain wherever they are at this point and until the reagan administration or future administration decides to expand the rent subsidy program or creating a rent subsidy program or undeveloped other kinds of subsidy programs that stimulate house and they're moving on housing for them did his group works to revitalize the neighborhood to housing economic development but he says that the double barreled administration approach a budget cuts plus tax reform is passed by congress it'll make future development difficult nine possible if you're eliminating on the one side the public subsidies on the other side the reasons the private sector was interested in getting into housing in the first place the year the net result has no investment the only low income apartments under construction in chicago today are in projects like

this one of the major funding for this project came from tax revenue in order to qualify for that financing the developer must promise to set aside twenty percent of the apartments for low income families are often happens in these projects is that the apartments that are set aside for low income families are usually efficiencies or one bedrooms often made by students or singles that means that even new construction does not add to the housing stock a low income family is a one bedroom a high rise apartment in the middle of downtown chicago would not be much help to the new flooding in her three children who need loving receives three hundred and sixty eight dollars a month probably gay and pays three hundred dollars a month for rent she lived in subsidized housing in chicago the waiting list has forty two thousand names on it predict awaited at least eight to ten years i live in subsidized housing would mean the rest of the project could go for necessities help me a great deal is

less among the monkeys school something because now i can do anything that was anything amiss loving would love that chance to live in low income housing like this it's one hundred and ninety six unit project for both families and the elderly was built using funds from the department of housing and urban development section eight program a program that provided low interest financing for both new construction and rehabilitation developer tom rosenberg use section eight financing to build forty projects like this around the country over the last seven years but with the reagan administration's previous cuts for section eight and the new proposal to put a two year freeze on all section a funding rosenberg says he will develop only luxury housing and now gone now with the request for a moratorium falwell says that housing which my opinion means the end of the tunnel and six thousand couples with the end of the whole their program which

was the reagan program enacted last year as a substitute section eight that appears to be dead now there's no possible way to develop more moderate income housing in this country right now this section eight housing available but rosenberg says the program has been well aware of the cloth we invited o'connor ninety six families with good safe sanitation decent housing around which they can afford and which was not available billions could you do anything like that now no i couldn't back out of the secretary of housing and urban development seminal years and to a critic of the reagan cuts very cigarettes president of the national low income housing coalition secretary first one your policies mean there is no hope for the people but the particular the two women who were examples in that film what your current well i would say absolutely not

i can agree with that because right now we have a demonstration program known as project self sufficiency where we are trying to help women who are single or have children we're trying to train them they get them a trade or or a skill that they can use and become or sufficient we're doing is in combination with others it is really a public private partnership we had hard work with the ph days and with the local governments as well as with the businesses and eight other people in the private sector and we can walk efforts together and we get these people train we have housing provide housing assistance for these women while a good trade that they've given the job training and then giving job placement beginning counseling then at trial and sort of taking care of a child care and as a result these women are beginning to go wild and good jobs and get on its feet and has another thing i like to say even if a woman does not

fall into that category we are trying now to push a system of housing call vultures rabbi we have whereby people can go to any place in the city where they lived and tried to read housing we find that the real problem here is not housing availability what's its affordability and so we are paying people's right to try to get them more housing not necessarily housing in a public housing project like was seen on that phil rizzo we are making steps we are working with these people were doing a lot to help them i like to say this was also mention how long the waiting list or i like the state is there has never been a time in the history of this country that there were not long waiting lists we have never taken care of all of the people who could qualify for housing as a matter of fact as i mentioned a little while ago we haven't

actually increasing the amount of assistance housing in this country not decreasing disturbed as it is how do you see this iteration well i think what you've seen in this film is really the legacy of four years of substantial reductions in this is that housing secretary has said today that private self sufficiency is a good example on how we help people have this problem except in the budget for the coming fiscal year there is no money for the housing vouchers for lice services secretary there is a there are only three thousand five hundred about jews in the current budget for four eighty six their lives well as you say let's talk about housing vouchers the administration spent four years touting housing vouchers on the hill in the congress to acquiesce in nineteen eighty three and authorize a fifty thousand unit demonstration we're fifteen months down the road from the authorization voucher one has not yet hit the streets an administration in this year's fiscal budget has walked away from doctors and said they're too expensive to you as having gotten for congress to put all our housing assistance in this basket and rightfully

insufficient levels in illustration this year is walking away from its vascular systems are there some other items you consider thirty five hundred i think was the biggest years you consider that walking away from what i consider walking away because in fact the thirty five hundred vouchers in the president's budget are not for incremental units for families not already receiving assistance but ought to provide assistance to families who will be losing it because of the closure of other programs in fact there's no incremental assistance in the president's budget it called a moratorium because no units are headed for the next two fiscal years are mr secretary we just heard the developer their rosenberg said your policies mean the total end of assisted housing measure that's just simply not true a moratorium does not mean it just a total in as a matter fact at the end of the moratorium these housing programs will continue its a moratorium for the situation that we're in and i'm i'd say right here and now that we had one tough time selling vouchers to the congress that they still haven't

gotten completely are still trying to put some of the things that we want vouchers and we kept pushing for and we finally got some and we will have them out in april it's taken some time again because we got a certain things we had to do because of the congressional legislation that we got it wasn't a popular program in congress but we finally got we think it is a very good program we think it will become the centerpiece of our housing program because we think all real problem in the nation as a whole is housing availability and not affordability act does not mean will go away from building completely because again we stop the moratorium will begin with rehabilitated housing and we might even have a small building program it can be plotted to air areas that really need help mustard seed is what is your organization people think like you think the administration should do you read the secretary say that we have the money he would still put it into these programs but he hasn't and some programs have to be caught and this was the target this year

well let me speak about the housing cuts and and budget deficits as nineteen eighty one as your report indicated we've lost sixty percent of the incremental funding and housing for low income people and during the same period of time the budget deficit has doubled and you can't lay increase in the budget deficit at the feet of assisted housing programs and oh and his own estimates show very little impact on near term deficits by the reduction in elimination of additional housing assistance so in our group says is housing has taken unfairly secretaries right now administration has ever provided sufficient assistance for low income housing and low income people the people today are facing a genuine crisis and low income housing brought about in part by this administration's repeated attempts in budget since nineteen eighty want to eliminate funding and substantially reduce it secretary has talked about this overhang of units the two hundred thousand units will carry the country for the next two years in point of fact in nineteen eighty one when this administration took office there was an

overhang of seven hundred thousand units and it's an interesting comment to make that when the administration took office and its first budget in nineteen eighty three it's sad that assist the housing left to its own devices from just fulfilling the commitments made in prior years would expand from three point two million units in nineteen eighty one to four point one million units in nineteen eighty five in a nineteen eighty three budget project a very substantial the obligations and that the removal contract authority and said i only wanted to get a three point eight million units because congress has failed to approve a single one of the budgets of the senate since the reagan administration's elected we're off to the four point no one million units that they would have gotten had they left the old one it's a long we have stood still run for your lives as wait a second that is absolutely on what i had people in my office actually worked out has the statistics because i understood that their statements like this from a virus disease before actually on the statistic is it's very clear that the course of the increases that congress gave us these soul

amount of units that we got the course of primaries were a hundred thousand more now that would mean that our the unit's today would be three point seven until it instead of three point eight million if we got this weekend it is to help from the congress so it really doesn't the numbers from out from both sides i just want to ask you briefly before we move on this drizzly as you mentioned a crisis what is the crisis describe the price is in terms of the numbers of people you think are affected and what it means well let's talk about housing me and what we have available the country the nineteen eighty three annual housing survey found the median rent her income than spaces twelve thousand nine hundred dollars if we look at families earning seven thousand dollars or less per year which is little more than fifty percent of that figure we see is eight point four million households fortune affordable rent at seven thousand dollars a year thirty percent of income would be about a seventy five dollars a month

there are in the housing inventory privately available lesson for battle over four million units renting out of the water and seventy five thousand mile which means there are twice as many households who need that kind of housing than there is housing available to rent to them let's look at the second term and the need to desperate well i would say this as i said before this you can always showing the events are open to be the beginning of history of the united states has always been people who needed housing has never been a time when we've taken care of the more but the fact is it is the fat and when i took office there were three point two million assistant housing units the day is three point eight and there soon will be over four million so we are growing now there may not be a nun the but there has never been an up but we are increasing not decreasing you get a third opinion on all this now to james rouse one of the nation's most experienced housing

policy expert use a planner and developer who now runs the enterprise foundation which helped urban community groups renovate housing units for low income persons distrust you've been listening all this do you say i right or wrong well i think this debate over numbers and details on programs really misses the whole basic point here in that one question was asked about a crisis crisis is just a note we have a real crisis in our civilization we have people living in and see a dramatically in a place like the south bronx and harlem people are like rats like animal scrambling to have a place to live alone it's in chicago in the trouble it's in dallas and houston miami but all over this country at the heart of our city we have people citizens of this country living in and condition of highly exist anywhere else in the world ira ira our neighborhoods of of bad housing bad neighborhood jobless people

hustling to survive hustling through alcohol drugs crime those diseases is spreading in our country in a way that is such a it's it's incredible italy those are subtle variation within the men of this condition and and talk about what we got a problem of thirty five hundred houses are thirty five thousand out we need to launch a massive campaign in this country to find fair decent places where people live in fear and decent neighborhoods with an adequate opportunity to get jobs and it can be done is at the federal government's responsibility to do it i think a big part of the responsibility in the big part of the whole comes from the private sector we've got the most uncreative system in this country in the world and this whole private enterprise system and it's and you know they it's cable building needs to be put to work it needs to be directed towards this eye candy there's a new moon in the

country there is a readiness on the part a big business and churches and individual people to work at this but the gunman is currently the law the government has got to do those things in a very different than the pet scan to do those things that that means that incentivizes nonprofit groups to use a new kind of creativity that's been fairly well suffocated i think that many programs that we need to build we need to work from the neighborhoods from the bottom up to build new systems of dealing with these neighborhood community problems of the best for paul i don't think big programs find out on top as a longer than just think we have another one out because i think that they don't they don't create any sense of community among people i think they don't create a sense of hope i don't think they stimulate the initiative and self reliance individual people about the economy in this country we've found in our work that there are hundreds of neighborhood groups

working with very poor people that can work with them and produce housing at much lower costs can find ways to finance and lower costs and can create a sense of community and hope in america but the stakes this takes federal money coming in a new way now the program though in a way that is that is offered like you that is in for sure that that holds out money to the most inventive the most resourceful the lowest cost of community building kind of effort that'll change this country with russell me ask you this we had just at the beginning of the program before we got to you all that amount of a report on the farm thing the farmers are demonstrating there's been a lot of attention paid to that and they're about lot attention problems that the defense then in a lot of other things to amtrak everything else but nobody is demonstrating a what is raising cane about the public housing and why is that you say there's a crisis wiser not an

acknowledgment that well it's been because they the condition of housing for the pool has been getting steadily worse conditions and isis get steadily worse they're now there are there are more people in poverty today than they were three years ago thirty four million families versus twenty six when there's less healthy because they the combination of inhalation and what's now called gentrification people move in and the older areas of rehabilitating quality of housing is declining the rents go up of the income of people at the bottom rises much more slowly than the people above so you have boats that'll a worsening situation in our city limits we have we become apathetic society and that the poor don't have a militant group out there representing of like special interest groups of the farmers europe amtrak or whoever there's no really effective lobby for the pool or for the city's itself but but you know if you wanted to read

all assigned country the russians want to re enter the united states to show up as civilizations light and government of the south bronx or in a hollande adieu durant about and show the way people live in this country my cachet would turn their backs on the society we have one desperate problem in this country and is getting steadily worse we are now the most violent country in the world we have more people in jail for cattle and the united states and a country western civilization we need to say this in these times when he had to say that this is a really desperate national problem is a desperate lack a promise that there was no doubt that a girl is a problem i had on a ways yet he says that's pretty much what i think everyone will say it's a problem and i agree that we need to have hope by many dead people an area and different areas of this the federal government can't do it all

federal have to bear the state government has to help the local governments have to help the private sector has to help we altogether may be able to get the job done and i hope we will be able to get it done so is what you're here what game rosters well i think jim ross is outlining very startling in very good detail the kind of crisis that people in the city's interim rulers as well effacing and housing and the lack of affordable housing is one of the things that drives people very farther into poverty i think one of the things we find the secretary says we need to have a partnership between the public and private sectors on anybody disagrees with that what concerns us in the housing field is that for the next two fiscal years at least the ministrations proposing to walk away from the partnership and that is only going to mean more desperate conditions for four people in housing or homelessness for overcrowding and exorbitant reports from people literally family stress to save a proper fire coming from the administration on this issue is exemplified others appear well i think that the administration's position on housing has to be this point i think that

if i had my brother's policy not whether these programs are added to or subtracting from shareholder program one in which the federal government was making money available and large sums two to stimulate this kind of new action which the secretary has spoken to all the private sector and the private sector as a heroic and performed you agree with that sector the new program along the line toward tehran says is is must be done well here's the thing i have to go back to our regional problem our original promise still a deficit we still have to be there it's like a family with so much money what you gonna do with the money only have so much and you have to decide like captain of our team is the president and he's made his final decision don't worry it's at and i say we have to do this because if we go our economy is going to go down that very very fierce we can have a situation

like the nineteen twenty nine impressive people sit up and left that's not so it could happen it's a little hard to make that situation as desperate as secretary makes it when we have a deficit of two hundred billion dollars and that there and we have done with that we're prepared to have to invest the money we do in defense and author and militarism and not and not pay attention for how the surge small antlers and the conditions and the problems of poor people in this country we have a real problem on our and abetted as a not paying attention but that's a decision that has to be made by the president by the congress you only have so much money is still going after it this deficit problem is just a year year after year the president has proposed to try to balance this budget on the backs of the poorest people in america just another germany we only have so much time we run a sectarian mistrust thank you all through

her we have an update now on the continuing troubles surrounding the nation's abortion clinics and edwards in california today called in the reagan administration to crack down on protesters who harris patients entering abortion centers around the country edwards made his comments as chairman of the congressional committee that held a hearing on the subject today we're going to have an actor now over the last few years anti abortion activists are routinely picketed clinics that perform abortions and more than two dozen clinics have been damaged or destroyed by violence the day both the operators of several abortion clinics and one of their fiercest opponents testified about the problem as did katherine taylor of portland oregon she talked about what it was like to encounter demonstrators when she went for an abortion herself no one man who has chosen to go to a clinic should have to go through that kind of torment that the picketers cost me as they approach the picketers they became louder and more obnoxious

you start yelling things at me like two lives going one comes out baby killer murder a sign a warning of the word murder rate monitors one minute free market share of the dead babies in the garbage can it took place in canada many years ago as did not even take place in the united states where abortion safer me go as i continue to walk i just had to keep saying to myself this is my choice and i'll have to look at and listen to these people i just have an abortion and then my view i am not a murderer or immoral the powerful the camera that was forced upon me as i entered the clinic was meant nothing more than a tactic of intimidation i was very fortunate compared to the other women that go to clank because i have a family with me my boyfriend and my brother were on either side of me my mother and father walking directly behind it so no one can get to me it's my brother

anyone else in the family but they cannot touch me the other women and going and they don't have that all the girls that were in my group we did not have anyone to commenting at face of picketers by themselves and go through that picket line with no one for all of us the confusion and frustration of having an abortion with compounded by the fact that we have to face a group of people who were mostly men who have no understanding of our individual circumstances normal character no i am a woman who was faced with a dangerous pregnancy and i made the choice to have an abortion or just that a choice that with my right under the constitution of the united states while i acknowledge their freedom of speech i believe that they are operating on a very fine line and were threatening my rights by inhibiting my ability to choose the hottest exchanges came during the testimony of joseph scheidler director of the pro life action league he said the kind

of incident described by the previous witness was not condoned by anti abortion activists people get carried away but we have a very strict code of my organization doesn't the group's i work with out believe me so sometimes when you're in a pitch conversation about whether the clinic there are some heated words i don't condone it i dont think its nearly as important as the fact that a woman is taking a child in there to have gotten wasteful lobby decision bauman it brings up no sir i think one of the great tragedies is that if you go back and study the supreme court decision that talks about the right to privacy and that we're not talking about one life we are talking about too the human being walking in there is a human being also in a very difficult problem is weighing the two lives and what is going on you said their two lives at stake here to live and about and we're talking about two lives at stake we're talking about a woman decided to take a life you rarely has a life threatening situation rather than one who happens to be i mean still a human being

we still classified think it's a human being but you're not her life as they can to understand the difference to the state i resent that very much want a while when i said i'll tell you why i have had two children i have lost two children and it is not an easy thing for me to talk about the news should be pro life and he can you know life there that i could be in a very threatening situation a fire a pregnant again and i resent you're sitting there saying to me that lenders deal with a slight lead i never said that law you are implying that you think it's a bit of syria i think very serious physical i went walking into those clinics are under tremendous stress why only intimidate them live because they are trying to deal with their situation with a child's situation and it is tough and it is not something where someone used to be yelling fire at them gerson edwards who presided at the session said he plans to hold more hearings in

coming weeks to inquire whether the justice department should do more to investigate violence against abortion clinics and a little medical story the university of arizona announced this evening that a new type of artificial heart was implanted in a patient today the man whose name was not given had undergone the transplant and the transplanted human heart failure is reported to be in critical but stable condition after a three hour operation to implement the new artificial heart it's called the phoenix art and it is a type that has been under development at st luke's hospital in phoenix for about a year or two years now once again the main stories of the day president reagan vetoed the emergency farm credit though the body of a mexican wrestling american drug agent was found in mexico and the prime minister of italy urged the united states to negotiate over the star wars defense imagine cairo and we'll see tomorrow night i'm jay warren thank you and goodnight the macneil lehrer newshour is funded by at

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