PBS NewsHour; October 25, 2021, 6:00pm-7:00pm PDT

- ♪ - JUDY: I'M JUDY WOODRUFF, TONIGHT - ON THE NEWSHOUR. - DEMOCRATIC DIVIDE. - PRESIDENT BIDEN ENTERS A - CRITICAL WEEK AS HE PUSHES FOR A - SPENDING AGREEMENT AHEAD OF HIS - UPCOMING OVERSEAS TRIP. - THEN, DEMOCRACY IN CRISIS. - ORGANIZERS OF THE JANUARY 6TH - CAPITOL INSURRECTION CLAIM THEY - COORDINATED THEIR EFFORT WITH - GOP LAWMAKERS AND TOP TRUMP - WHITE HOUSE AND CAMPAIGN - OFFICIALS. - AND TOXIC WATER, RESIDENTS OF - , ANOTHER PREDOMINANTLY BLACK - CITY IN MICHIGAN ARE EXPOSED TO - DANGEROUS LEVELS OF LEAD. - >> ENVIRONMENTAL RACISM RIGHT - HERE. - WE ARE LOOKING AT IT. - I'LL ALWAYS TALK ABOUT HOW - DIFFERENT THINGS WOULD BE IF IT - WAS A WHITE COMMUNITY.

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- BROADCASTING AND BY - CONTRIBUTIONS TO YOUR PBS - STATION FROM VIEWERS LIKE YOU. - THANK YOU. - JUDY: A DIVIDED DEMOCRATIC PARTY - CONTINUED TO STRIVE TO REACH - AGREEMENT TODAY IN WHAT'S - SHAPING UP TO BE A MAKE-OR-BREAK - WEEK FOR BIDEN'S PRESIDENCY. - MODERATES AND PROGRESSIVES - REMAIN AT ODDS AS THEY TRY TO - WORK OUT THE PRICE TAG FOR A - PLAN TO OVERHAUL A MASSIVE - SPENDING BILL. - OUR CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT, - LISA DESJARDINS, IS HERE WITH US - AGAIN TO LAY OUT WHAT'S AT - STAKE. - SO, HELLO AGAIN, LISA. - HERE WE GO, ANOTHER WEEK WITH - THIS. - THERE ARE STILL DEMOCRATS OUT - THERE SAYING THEY WANT A VOTE - THIS WEEK. - WHERE DOES EVERYTHING STAND - RIGHT NOW? - LISA: IT WAS A GOOD WEEKEND FOR - DEMOCRATS TRYING TO REACH A - DEAL. - THERE WAS A MEETING IN DELAWARE - WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN BETWEEN HIM - AND JOE MANCHIN OF WEST - VIRGINIA, A PIVOTAL SENATOR, AS - WELL AS SENATOR SCHUMER, THE - DEMOCRATIC LEADER. - AND EVERYONE SAYS THAT, - ACTUALLY, THEY DID MAKE REAL - PROGRESS. - BUT LET'S GO THROUGH WHERE WE - ARE AT THIS EXACT MOMENT. - FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO TALK TO - PEOPLE ABOUT THAT THERE IS SOME - AGREEMENT ON NEW TAX IDEAS.

- THAT IS ABSOLUTELY KEY IN TERMS - OF HOW YOU PAY FOR THE BILL. - THERE IS ALSO A QUESTION, - THOUGH, STILL ABOUT THE TOTAL - SIZE OF THE BILL. - TODAY, SENATOR MANCHIN SAID HE - STILL WANTS $1.5 TRILLION. - OTHERS SAY $1.9 TRILLION. - THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY IN THAT - DIFFERENCE. - AND WE NOW KNOW WE'RE ABOUT DOWN - TO THREE OR FOUR ISSUES, - ACCORDING TO LEADER SCHUMER. - NOW, DESPITE ALL OF THAT, HERE'S - HOW SENATOR MANCHIN SAID HE - FEELS TODAY IN TALKS WITH, AMONG - OTHERS, OUR HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY - PELOSI. - SEN. MANCHIN: I TRUST SPEAKER - PELOSI. - AND SHE WILL MAKE THE RIGHT - DECION THERE, I'M SURE. - BUT WE'RE ALL WORKING IN GOOD - FAITH. - I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO - EVERYBODY, AS YOU KNOW. - AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE GOT A - GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF EACH OTHER - NOW, BETTER THAN WE HAVE EVER - HAD. - LISA: THAT'S POSITIVE FOR - DEMOCRATS. - NOW, I THINK WHERE WE ARE, JUDY, - IS MORE LIKELY TO GET SOME KIND - OF OUTLINE THIS WEEK THAN A - VOTE. - JUDY: AND SO WHAT IS KNOWN ABOUT - THESE LAST UNRESOLVED ISSUES - HERE? - LISA: RIGHT. - WELL, LET'S TALK ABOUT THEM. - THERE'S A FEW. - NUMBER ONE AT THE LIST OVER THE - WEEKEND, FAMILY LEAVE IS STILL - ON THE BOARD. - THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PRIORITY FOR

- MANY DEMOCRATS. - IT'S UNCLEAR HOW LARGE IT WILL - BE OR HOW SMALL THAT COULD BE, - HOW MANY WEEKS OF LEAVE COULD BE - ON THE TABLE. - MEDICAID, EXPANSION IN THE - STATES. - I BELIEVE IT'S A DOZEN STATES - RIGHT NOW THAT DON'T HAVE THE - MEDICAID EXPANSION. - THAT'S THE PROGRAM FOR LARGELY - THE POOR. - MEDICARE, THE HEALTH CARE - PROGRAM FOR OLDER AMERICANS - LARGELY, THAT EXPANSION ALSO IS - A BIG REMAINING ISSUE, - ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT, AS YOU - HAVE SPOKEN TO VERMONT SENATOR - BERNIE SANDERS, WHO WOULD LIKE - DENTAL AND VISION CARE. - RIGHT NOW, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT - MIGHT NOT MAKE IT, BUT THAT'S - STILL UNDER DISCUSSION, AS IS - PRESCRIPTION DRUG NEGOTIATIONS. - THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES THAT - HAVE BEEN RESOLVED. - THESE ARE FOUR BIG ONES THAT ARE - NOT THERE YET. - JUDY: YES, THEY ARE BIG ONES. - BUT LET'S GO BACK TO WHAT YOU - WERE SAYING ABOUT TAXES. - WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT WHAT THEY - ARE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF - RAISING TAXES? - LISA: A BIG ISSUE HAS BEEN - SENATOR KYRSTEN SINEMA OF - ARIZONA, WHO HAS SAID SHE - OPPOSES RAISING TAX RATES ON - INDIVIDUALS OR CORPORATIONS. - SO HERE ARE SOME IDEAS FLOATING - AROUND RIGHT NOW, NOT ALL THE - WAY AGREED TO, BUT THEY'RE - TALKING ABOUT THESE THREE - THINGS, A MINIMUM TAX FOR LARGE - CORPORATIONS THAT WOULD BE ON

- THEIR BOOKS, THE INCOME THAT - THEY REPORT ON THEIR FINANCIAL - BOOKS. - BILLIONAIRES, THEY'RE TALKING - ABOUT A TAX ON THE GAINS IN - THEIR STOCK PORTFOLIO. - THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY PUT ON - THEIR INCOME TAX FORM RIGHT NOW, - BUT IT IS AN ASSET GAIN THAT - THEY GET, AND THEY'RE TALKING - ABOUT TAXING BILLIONAIRES BASED - ON WHETHER THEIR STOCKS AND - TRADABLE ASSETS GO UP. - AND THAT WOULD BE LIMITED TO - THOSE WHO HAVE A BILLION IN - ASSETS OR $100 MILLION INCOME IN - MULTIPLE YEARS, SO REALLY A - SMALL GROUP OF AMERICANS THAT - WOULD SPEND, THAT THAT WOULD BE - TARGETED ON. - JUDY: BUT A LOT OF MONEY, - POTENTIALLY, INVOLVED HERE. - LISA: POTENTIALLY. - JUDY: SO, LISA, WHAT DO THE NEXT - FEW DAYS LOOK LIKE? - LISA: OK. - SO, HERE WE ARE TODAY. - WE'RE SITTING AT MONDAY LOOKING - AT THIS LONG WEEK. - NOW, WHAT COMES UP NEXT IN THIS - WEEK? - IF WE LOOK AT THIS GRAPHIC - QUICY, AFTER TODAY, THE NEXT - THING TO WATCH IS ON THURSDAY, - WHEN PRESIDENT BIDEN BEES FOR - G20 AND CLIMATE CONFERENCE - OVERSEAS. - THEN, ON MONDAY NEXT WEEK, - SUNDAY AND MONDAY, THAT - CONFERENCE BEGINS. - THAT'S WHEN DEMOCRATS WANT TO - HAVE THIS KIND OF CLIMATE - PORTION LOCKED IN. - ANOTHER BIG DATE WILL BE NEXT - TUESDAY. - THAT'S THE VIRGINIA - GUBERNATORIAL ELECTION.

- MANY DEMOCRATS BELIEVE WHETHER - THIS PACKAGE PROGRESSES OR NOT - WILL AFFECT THAT ELECTN. - WE WILL SEE. - JUDY: SO MANY PEOPLE WATCHING - THAT ELECTION FOR SO MANY - REASONS. - LISA: YES. - JUDY: THIS IS ONE OF THE - IMPORTANT ONES. - LISA: THAT'S CORRECT. - JUDY: LISA DESJARDINS, WATCHING - ALL OF IT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. - ♪ - VANESSA: WE WILL RETURN TO THE - FULL PROGRAM AFTER THE LATEST - HEADLINES. - MODERNA SAYS IT'S HALF DOSE - COVID-19 VACCINE IS SAFE AND - EFFECTIVE FOR CHILDREN AGES - 6-11. - THIS COMES AS FDA ADVISERS - PREPARED TO MEET TOMORROW TO - DISCUSS PFIZER'S COVID VACCINE - FOR KIDS. - MEANWHILE, THE BIDEN - ADMINISTRATION REVEALED DETAILS - OF ITS NEW COVID TRAVEL POLICY. - BEGINNING NOVEMBER 8TH, MOST - FOREIGN ADULT TRAVELERS FLYING - TO THE U.S. WILL NEED TO BE - FULLY VACCINATED. - THOSE WHO ARE UNVACCINATED MUST - SHOW PROOF OF A NEGATIVE TEST - WITHIN A DAY OF TRAVEL.

- OUGHT-STRICKEN CALIFORNIA IS - ENDURING A NEW BOUT OF SEVERE - WEATHER, AS - SO-CALLED BOMB CYCLONE AND - ATMOSPHERIC RIVER STORMS - CONVERGE. - THEY'RE MOVING INTO THE SOUTHERN - PART OF THE STATE A DAY AFTER - THE NORTH WAS PUMMELED WITH - TORRENTIAL RAIN THAT SHATTERED - SEVERAL SINGLE-DAY RECORDS. - FLASH FLOODING INUNDATED THE SAN - FRANCISCO BAY AREA. - AND NORTH OF SACRAMENTO, HEAVY - RAINFALL TRIGGER ROCKSLIDES ON - LAND RECENTLY CHARRED BY - WILDFIRES. - IN BOISE, IDAHO, A SUSPECT IS IN - CUSTODY AFTER TWO PEOPLE WERE - KILLED AND FOUR OTHERS INJURED, - INCLUDING A POLICE OFFICER AT A - SHOOTING TODAY IN A SHOPPING - MALL. - AUTHORITY SAID OFFICERS - EXCHANGED GUNFIRE WITH THE - SUSPECT. - HE ADDED THE INVESTIGATION IS - ONGOING AS A SEARCH FOR ANY - ADDITIONAL VICTIMS. - IN THE NORTH AFRICAN NATION OF - SUDAN, THE MILITARY SEIZED POWER - TODAY IN AN APPARENT COUP - DETAINING THE COUNTRIES PRIME - MINISTER AND DEPOSING A

- GOVERNING COUNCIL THAT INCLUDED - CIVILIAN LEADERS. - AS NEWS OF THE TAKEOVER SPREAD, - THOUSANDS OF PROTESTERS FILLED - THE STREETS TO DEMONSTRATE - AGAINST A RETURN TO - AUTHORITARIAN RULE. - THE SUDANESE DOCTORS' - ASSOCIATION REPORTED SECURITY - FORCES FIRED ON THE CROWDS, - KILLING AT LEAST SEVEN - PROTESTERS AND WOUNDING 140 - OTHERS. - ON THE STREETS OF KHARTOUM - TODAY, PROTESTORS SHOUTED THE - COUNTRY BELONGS TO THEM, - REJECTING A RETURN TO AUTOCRATIC - RULE. - >> THEY ARRESTED THE MINISTERS, - THEY DETAINED MEMBERS OF THE - SOVEREIGN COUNSEL. - THIS IS A FULL-FLEDGED COUP AND - WE REJECT IT COMPLETELY. - >> DEMONSTRATORS BURNED TIRES - AND BLOCKED MAIN ROADS AFTER THE - MILITARY SEIZED POWER FROM A - TRANSITIONAL GOVERNMENT. - IN A TELEVISED ADDRESS TODAY, - THE MILITARIES TOP GENERAL - DECLARED A STATE OF EMERGENCY. - HE SAID A NEW GOVERNMENT WOULD - LEAD THE COUNTRY UNTIL ELECTIONS - IN 2023. - >> LET'S ALL WORK TO IMPROVE - PEOPLE'S LIVES AND ENSURE THEIR

- SAFETY AND SECURITY, AND TO - CREATE THE SUITABLE ENVIRONMENT - FOR POLITICAL PARTIES IN ORDER - TO REACH A SPECIFIED DATE FOR - ELECTIONS. - JUDY: IN A FACEBOOK POST EARLIER - TODAY, SUDAN'S INFORMATION - MINISTRY SAID MILITARY FORCES - PRESSURED PRIME MINISTER ABDALLA - HAMDOK TO RELEASE A PRO-COUP - STATEMENT. - WHEN HE REFUSED, THE MINISTRY - SAID HAMDOK WAS MOVED TO AN - UNKNOWN LOCATION. - SOON AFTER, THE MINISTRY - ANNOUNCED INTERNET CONNECTIONS - HAD BEEN CUT FROM THE COUNTRY'S - MOBILE PHONE NETWORKS. - IN A STATEMENT TODAY, YOU AND - SECRETARY GENERAL ANTONIO - GUTERRES CONDEMNED THE ONGOING - MILITARY COUP D'ETAT AND ALL - ACTIONS THAT COULD JEOPARDIZE - SUDAN'S POLITICAL TRANSITION AND - STABILITY. - IN 2019 AFTER MONTHS OF PROTESTS - THOUSAND CELEBRATED THE - OVERTHREW -- OVERTHROW OF - SUDAN'S LONGTIME AUTOCRATIC - LEADER, AND ACCUSED WAR - CRIMINAL, OMAR AL BASHIR.

- MILITARY AND CIVILIAN LEADERS - CREATED A TRANSITIONAL - GOVERNMENT TO LEAD THE COUNTRY - TO DEMOCRACY FOR THE FIRST TIME - IN THREE DECADES. - FOR MONTHS, SUDAN'S TRADITIONAL - GOVERNMENT WAS UNDER THREAT OF - MILITARY COUP. - A FAILED COUP PLOT LAST MONTH - SET OFF INFIGHTING BETWEEN - MILITARY AND CIVILIAN GROUPS. - >> THE U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT - REACTED BY ANNOUNCING IT'S - SUSPENDING - $700-MILLION DOLLARS IN - EMERGENCY ECONOMIC AID TO SUDAN. - THE FUNDS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE - USED TO HELP SUDAN TRANSITION TO - A FULLY CIVILIAN GOVERNMENT. - LEVELS HIT A RECORD HIGHAST - YEAR. - A NEW YOU IN REPORT REVEALED - THAT EMISSIONS INCREASED AT A - FASTER RATE IN 2020 THAN THE - ANNUAL AVERAGE FOR THE LAST - DECADE. - THIS COMES DAYS BEFORE THE START - OF A UN CLIMATE CHANGE - CONFERENCE IN SCOTLAND. - MICROSOFT SOUNDED A NEW WARNING - TODAY THAT THE RUSSIA-BACKED - HACKERS ARE STILL WAGING - CYBER-ASSAULTS.

- THEY'VE BEEN ATTACKING THE - GLOBAL TECHNOLOGY SUPPLY CHAIN - BY TARGETING CLOUD SERVICE - RE-SELLERS AND OTHER COMPANIES, - BREACHING AS MANY AS 14 - COMPANIES SINCE THE SUMMER. - A FEDERAL CIVIL TRIAL GOT - UNDERWAY TODAY IN - CHARLOTTESVILLE, VIRGINIA, TO - DETERMINE WHETHER ORGANIZERS OF - A 2017 WHITE NATIONALIST RALLY - WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THE - VIOLENCE. - CLASHES ERUPTED AFTER HUNDREDS - OF WHITE NATIONALISTS MASSED IN - -- GATHERED IN THE CITY TO - PROTEST PLANS TO REMOVE A - CONFEDERATE STATUE. - AN OHIO MAN IS ALREADY SERVING - LIFE IN PRISON FOR KILLING A - WOMAN AND INJURING DOZENS MORE - WHEN HE DROVE HIS CAR INTO A - CROWD. - STILL TO COME ON THE NEWSHOUR, - LEAVING AFGHANISTAN. - AMERICA'S FORMER POINT MAN ON - NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE TALIBAN - EXPLAINS WHY HE LEFT THE BIDEN - ADMINISTRATION. - THE FACEBOOK PAPERS, A NEWLY - LEAKED TROVE OF DOCUMENTS REVEAL - THE SOCIAL MEDIA GIANT - PRIORITIZED PROFITS WHILE - IGNORING RED FLAGS. - DEVIOUS LICKS. - HOW AN ONLINE SOCIAL TREND HAS

- INFLUENCED SCHOOL STUDENTS - ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO COMMIT - ACTS OF VANDALISM. - AND MUCH MORE. - >> THIS IS THE PBS NEWSHOUR. - JUDY: AN ALARMING NEW REPORT - FROM ROLLING STONE ALLEGES - DIRECT COORDINATION AMONG - PLANNERS OF THE JANUARY 6 - INSURRECTION AND HIGH-PROFILE - TRUMP ALLIES IN AN ATTEMPT TO - OVERTURN THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL - ELECTION RESULTS. - YAMICHE ALCINDOR EXPLAINS. - YAMICHE: THE "ROLLING STONE" - ARTICLE CITES ANONYMOUS - ORGANIZERS WHO CLAIM THEY - COORDINATED WITH WHITE HOUSE - OFFICIALS AND REPUBLICAN - LAWMAKERS MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE - WEEKS LEADING UP TO JANUARY 6. - I'M JOINED NOW BY THE AUTHOR, - HUNTER WALKER. - THANKS SO THANKS SO MUCH, - HUNTER, FOR BEING HERE. - NOW, YOU WERE AT THE CAPITOL ON - JANUARY 6. - YOU ALSO TALKED TO TWO OF THESE - INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE INVOLVED IN - PLANNING THE EVENTS THAT - HAPPENED ON JANUARY 6. - WHAT WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT

- THING YOU LEARNED ABOUT THE - FORMER PRESIDENT, FORMER - PRESIDENT TRUMP'S, HIS EFFORT TO - TRY TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION - THAT HE LOST, AS WELL AS HIS - POSSIBLE INVOLVEMENT IN JANUARY - 6, AFTER TALKING TO THESE - INDIVIDUALS? - HUNTER: I THINK THE MERE FACT - THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS WHO I - CONFIRMED WERE INVOLVED IN - PLANNING AND ORGANIZING THE MAIN - RALLY ON THE ELLIPSE, AS WELL AS - MULTIPLE PROTESTS AGAINST THE - ELECTION THAT HAPPENED IN THE - WEEKS LEADING UP TO THAT DAY, I - THINK THE FACT THAT THEY SPOKE - TO THE PRESS AND THE FACT THAT - THEY ARE COMMUNICATING WITH THE - COMMITTEE IS PRETTY NOTABLE, IN - AND OF ITSELF, BECAUSE IT MEANS - THAT, WITH THIS AGGRESSIVE - INVESTIGATION HEATING UP, PEOPLE - ARE STARTING TO TURN AND - COOPERATE WITH THE GOVERNMENT - HERE. - YAMICHE: AND YOU ARE, OF COURSE, - TALKING ABOUT THE HOUSE SELECT - COMMITTEE INVESTIGATING THE - JANUARY 6 ATTACK. - AND I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE - MULTIPLE LAWMAKERS THAT YOU - WRITE ABOUT IN YOUR ARTICLE. - WHO WERE THE LAWMAKERS TALKING - TO ORGANIZERS, AND WHAT WERE - THEY SAYING? - HUNTER: SO, BOTH OF MY SOURCES - SAID THEY PARTICIPATED IN, - "DOZENS OF BRIEFINGS" WITH

- REPUBLICAN MEMBERS OF CONGRESS - AND THEIR STAFF. - THAT INCLUDED MARJORIE TAYLOR - GREENE, LAUREN BOEBERT, PAUL - GOSAR, MO BROOKS, MADISON - CAWTHORN, AND LOUIE GOHMERT. - AND WE HAVE ALREADY HAD SOME - INDICATIONS THAT THESE MEMBERS - WERE INVOLVED IN THE EFFORTS TO - OVERTURN THE ELECTION. - THEY SPOKE AT THE EVENTS AT THE - ELLIPSE. - THEY WERE BILLED AS SPEAKERS AT - THIS WILD PROTEST. - GOSAR HEADLINED A STOP THE STEAL - RALLY IN ARIZONA. - BUT WHAT THEY SPECIFICALLY - DESCRIBED WAS THESE MEMBERS SORT - OF STRATEGIZING TO HELP THEM - PICK STATE LOCATIONS FOR - PROTESTS THAT WOULD TARGET - PERSUADABLE SENATORS TO JOIN THE - OBJECTION. - AND THEY WERE ALSO GOING BACK - AND FORTH TRADING "EVIDENCE" OF - SUPPOSED ELECTION FRAUD. - OBVIOUSLY, ANY OF THAT WOULD - HAVE BEEN BASELESS. - BUT THEY DESCRIBED THEM AS - INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN KIND OF - PLOTTING A GRAND SHOW THAT DAY, - BOTH AT THE ELLIPSE AND ON THE - HOUSE FLOOR. - YAMICHE: AND REPRESENTATIVE - GOSAR DANGLED THIS IDEA OF A - BLANKET PARDON. - TALK A BIT ABOUT THAT, AND - EXPLAIN THAT IT WAS PART OF AN - UNRELATED ONGOING INVESTIGATION, - BUT WAS ALSO CONNECTED SOMEHOW - TO THE EVENTS OF JANUARY 6? - HUNTER: GIVEN THAT THESE ARE

- COOPERATING WITNESSES IN AN - ONGOING INVESTIGATION ABOUT A - VIOLENT CRIME, I HAVE GRANTED - THEM ANONYMITY. - SO I'M NOT DESCRIBING THE OTHER - LEGAL MATTER IN GREAT DETAIL, AS - IT WOULD POINT IN THE DIRECTION - OF WHO I SPOKE WITH. - BUT IT WAS AN UNRELATED ONGOING - INVESTIGATION. - AND, FRANKLY, BOTH OF THESE - SOURCES TOLD ME THEY STILL - BELIEVE IN TRUMP'S AGENDA. - THEY STILL HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT - THE ELECTION. - THEY FRAMED IT AS SOMETHING THEY - WOULD HAVE DONE ANYWAY. - BUT THEY LEFT WITH THE STRONG - IMPRESSION THAT GOSAR WAS - SAYING, IF YOU PLAN THESE - EVENTS, IF YOU HELP US OUT WITH - THIS, YOU WILL BE LEGALLY TAKEN - CARE OF. - YAMICHE: AND BASED ON YOUR - REPORTING, HOW MUCH DID THE - TRUMP WHITE HOUSE KNOW? - IN PARTICULAR, HOW MUCH DID THE - WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF AT - THE TIME, MARK MEADOWS, HOW MUCH - DID HE KNOW? - AND WHY IS IT PROBLEMATIC TO - HAVE THE CHIEF OF STAFF INVOLVED - IN A RALLY THAT WAS ABOUT - SUPPORTING THE PRESIDENT? - HUNTER: THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A - BRIGHT LINE BETWEEN THE WHITE - HOUSE STAFF AND THE POLITICAL - OPERATION. - AND THIS WOULD CERTAINLY BE A - VIOLATION OF THAT. - BUT, OF COURSE, THAT WAS A

- PRETTY REGULAR OCCURRENCE DURING - THE TRUMP YEARS. - BUT I THINK THE KEY THING HERE - IS THAT, A, THE HIGHEST-LEVEL - PEOPLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE WERE - ALLEGEDLY IN CONTACT WITH THESE - ORGANIZERS, BUT, ALSO, THEY - FRAME MARK MEADOWS AS SOMEONE - WHO HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TONE - THIS DOWN AND STOP THE VIOLENCE. - BUT I THINK THE KEY THING HERE - IS THAT TRUMP HIMSELF WAS THE - MAJOR PLAYER. - THEY FRAMED THE MOMENT THAT THE - PRESIDENT SAID, LET'S MARCH TO - THE CAPITOL, SORT OF ENCOURAGED - THE CROWD TO MARCH, AS A KEY - TURNING POINT, WHERE THIS WENT - FROM THE PLANNED AIRING OF - OBJECTIONS TO A CHARGE TOWARD - THE CAPITOL DOME. - YAMICHE: THERE'S A LOT OF - REACTION TO YOUR ARTICLE. - ON ONE SIDE, YOU HAVE DEMOCRATS - WHO ARE SAYING THAT THIS REALLY - PROVED THAT LAWMAKERS WERE - INVOLVED IN SORT OF REALLY - CREATING DANGERS FOR OUR - DEMOCRACY. - ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU HAVE - REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS, SOME OF - THEM THAT ARE NAMED IN THIS - ARTICLE, SAYING, THIS IS ALL - RIDICULOUS REPORTING. - WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT? - HUNTER: WELL, FIRST OFF, THERE'S - A PILE OF INDICATIONS PRIOR TO - THIS THAT THESE LAWMAKERS WERE - INVOLVED TO SOME DEGREE. - ALSO, IN ADDITION TO THESE TWO - SOURCES, IN ADDITION TO THE

- DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE I OBTAINED - ON MY OWN, YOU HAVE NICK DYER, - MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE'S - SPOKESPERSON, WHILE SORT OF - TRYING TO REFUTE THIS, ADMITTING - THAT SHE WAS WORKING ON THE - OBJECTION. - I ALSO HAD AN UNNAMED HOUSE - STAFFER WHO I ALSO GRANTED - ANONYMITY TO DISCUSS THESE - SENSITIVE MATTERS WHO ALSO - SEEMED TO CONFIRM THAT THERE WAS - SOME DEGREE OF PLANNING - MEETINGS. - SO THIS ISN'T JUST TWO PEOPLE. - THIS ISN'T WITHOUT EVIDENCE. - AND I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR. - WE MAY NOT KNOW THE EXACT - SPECIFICS. - THIS SORT OF PRESENTS ONE - ALLEGED THEORY. - BUT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WERE - INVOLVED IN JANUARY 6. - YAMICHE: WELL, THANK YOU SO - MUCH, HUNTER WALKER. - I APPRECIATE YOU COMING ON. - HUNTER THANKS FOR HAVING ME. - :JUDY: THE FUTURE OF AFGHANISTAN - REMAINS IN DOUBT UNDER TALIBAN - RULE, AFTER 20 YEARS OF AMERICAN - WAR ENDED THERE IN CHAOS THIS - SUMMER. - AND NOW NICK SCHIFRIN SPEAKS

- WITH A FORMER TOP AMERICAN - DIPLOMAT WHO SPENT MUCH OF THOSE - 20 YEARS HELPING TO MANAGE - AMERICA'S ROLE AND ULTIMATELY - ITS WITHDRAWAL FROM AFGHANISTAN. - NICK: FROM THE BEGINNING TO THE - END OF AMERICA'S WAR IN - AFGHANISTAN, NO AMERICAN PLAYED - A LARGER ROLE THAN ZALMAY - KHALILZAD. - BACK IN 2001, HE HELPED WRITE - THE AFGHANISTAN CONSTITUTION. - HE WAS PRESIDENT GEORGE W. - BUSH'S SPECIAL REPRESENTATIVE - AND THEN AMBASSADOR TO - AFGHANISTAN UNTIL 2005. - FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS, HE - NEGOTIATED THE AGREEMENT WITH - THE TALIBAN THAT LED TO THE U.S. - WITHDRAWAL AND, JUST IN THE LAST - FEW MONTHS, HAS BEEN INTIMATELY - INVOLVED WITH THE SCRAMBLE TO - EVACUATE AMERICANS AND ALLIES - FROM AFGHANISTAN, THE COUNTRY - WHERE HE WAS BORN. - ZALMAY KHALILZAD, WELCOME BACK - TO THE "NEWSHOUR." - >> WELL, IT'S GREAT TO BE WITH - YOU, NICK. - NICK: YOU RESIGNED JUST A FEW - DAYS AGO. - WHY? - ZALMAY: WELL, I THOUGHT THAT WE - WERE IN A NEW PHASE IN - AFGHANISTAN WITH THE TALIBAN - TAKEOVER. - AND MY JOB WAS RECONCILIATION - BETWEEN THE REPUBLIC AND THE - TALIBAN AND TO BRING AMERICAN

- TROOPS HOME AND MAKE SURE WE GET - ASSURANCES ON TERRORISM, - SUCCEEDED WITH BRINGING - AMERICANS HOME AND TERRORISM - COMMITMENTS, BUT NOT WITH REGARD - TO RECONCILIATION BETWEEN THE - TWO SIDES, WITH ONE SIDE - COLLAPSING. - SO IT IS A NEW CHAPTER IN OUR - RELATIONSHIP. - AND, SECOND, I AM CONCERNED THAT - POLITICS IN OUR COUNTRY COULD - HAVE A NEGATIVE EFFECT ON THE - CHOICES WE MAKE GOING FORWARD. - NICK: WELL, LET'S LOOK FORWARD - THEN. - THE MOST RECENT TALIBAN U.S. - MEETING OCCURRED IN DOHA. - YOU WERE NOT THE LEADER ON THE - U.S. SIDE. - THAT WAS LED BY THE DEPUTY CIA - DIRECTOR. - YOUR REPLACEMENT HAS NOT BEEN - GIVEN YOUR SENIORITY. - DO YOU BELIEVE THE BIDEN - ADMINISTRATION IS EMPHASIZING - COUNTERTERRORISM TOO MUCH AND - DOWNGRADING DIPLOMACY? - ZALMAY: I THINK COUNTERTERRORISM - IS IMPORTANT. - THAT IS VITAL. - OF COURSE, WE HAVE TO BE - ATTENTIVE TO THAT.

- BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE - OTHER INTERESTS, AND OUR VALUES - ARE INVOLVED. - THERE IS A QUESTION OF, DO WE - WANT THE AFGHAN STATE, THE - TALIBAN STATE TO COLLAPSE? - THAT WILL AFFECT TERRORISM. - AND THERE ARE REGIONAL - IMPLICATIONS AND EVEN ALLIANCE - IMPLICATIONS IF AFGHANISTAN WAS - TO COLLAPSE. - MILLIONS OF REFUGEES MIGHT BE, - MIGHT HEAD TO EUROPE. - NICK: THE U.S. IS WITHHOLDING - BILLIONS OF AFGHAN RESERVES. - ZALMAY: YES. - NICK: YOU HAVE SAID THAT THE - U.S. SHOULD CONTINUE TO WITHHOLD - IT UNTIL THE TALIBAN MEETS - CERTAIN CONDITIONS. - BUT THE U.N. - SAYS 97%, 97% OF AFGHANISTAN - COULD FALL BELOW THE POVERTY - LINE BY NEXT YEAR. - ZALMAY: RIGHT. - NICK: DOES THE U.S. NOT NEED TO - DO MORE RIGHT NOW TO PREVENT - AFGHANS FROM DYING? - ZALMAY: WHAT I ADVOCATE IS THAT - WE SIT WITH THE TALIBS AND SEE - IF WE CAN REACH A DETAILED - AGREEMENT ON WHAT IT IS THAT - THEY NEED TO DO IN EXCHANGE FOR - WHAT IT IS THAT WE WILL DO, A

- KIND OF STEP-BY-STEP ROAD MAP. - NICK: BUT PERHAPS MORE THAN - ANYONE, YOU KNOW THAT ROAD MAP - WOULD TAKE A LONG TIME. - THERE ARE AFGHANS WHO WILL DIE - FROM HUNGER IN THE NEXT WEEKS - AND MONTHS. - DOES THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION - NOT NEED TO DO MORE NOW? - ZALMAY: WELL, WE SHOULD DO WHAT - WE CAN FOR THE HUMANITARIAN - NEEDS OF THE AFGHANS. - THERE ARE MONEYS THAT THE BANK - HAS, THE INTERNATIONAL MONETARY - FUND AND THE WORLD BANK, THAT WE - COULD ENCOURAGE THAT THEY - RELEASE THOSE FUNDS TO PAY - TEACHERS' SALARIES, HEALTH CARE - WORKERS, TO THE CIVIL SERVANTS; - 500,000 AFGHANS WORK FOR THE - STATE. - AND AT THE SAME TIME, OUR - ALLIES, THEY ARE MOVING IN THAT - DIRECTION IT TO PROVIDE MORE - HUMANITARIAN ASSISTANCE. - THE EUROPEAN UNION JUST - ANNOUNCED THAT THEY WILL BE OPEN - THEIR MISSION IN AFGHANISTAN - WITHIN A MONTH. - NICK: LET'S LOOK BACK A LITTLE - BIT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF - YEARS. - IN THE END, YOU WORKED FOR TWO - PRESIDENTS WHO WANTED OUT OF

- AFGHANISTAN. - THE DEAL YOU NEGOTIATED UNDER - PRESIDENT TRUMP HAD CONDITIONS. - BUT BY THE END OF 2020, HE DREW - DOWN THE NUMBER OF TROOPS BEYOND - WHAT HE HAD TO, AND WANTED TO - WITHDRAW ALL OF THEM, IN FACT. - AND THEN, THIS YEAR, PRESIDENT - BIDEN DECIDED TO WITHDRAW, - DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE - TALIBAN HAD NOT MET THOSE - CONDITIONS. - DID YOU AGREE WITH BOTH - PRESIDENTS' DECISIONS? - ZALMAY: WELL, I WORKED FOR THEM, - SO I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED A - CONDITION-BASED APPROACH. - AND THE AGREEMENT HAD THAT - FEATURE. - IT WAS CONDITION-BASED, FOUR - ELEMENTS, INTERRELATED, A - PACKAGE. - PRESIDENT BIDEN DECIDED TO GO - FOR A CALENDER-BASED APPROACH. - NICK: DID PRESIDENT BIDEN HAVE - THE OPTION TO SAY, THE TALIBAN - ARE NOT LIVING UP TO THEIR - AGREEMENT, WE DON'T HAVE TO - WITHDRAW? - ZALMAY: THERE WAS, THERE ARE - THINGS IN THE AGREEMENT, SUCH AS - WE COULD HOLD THEM TO NO HOSTING - IF THERE ARE PEOPLE THERE AS A - CONDITION THAT, AND COULD HAVE - ARGUED THAT NOT BEEN MADE.

- BUT THE CONCERN WAS THAT, IF WE - DO THAT, ESPECIALLY ON THE - POLITICAL NEGOTIATIONS, THAT WE - WOULD PERHAPS REMAIN STUCK THERE - FOR A LONG TIME. - NICK: WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT - 2021, PRESIDENT BIDEN'S - DECISION. - LET'S GO BACK TO PRESIDENT 2020 - AN PRESIDENT TRUMP. - YOU WERE UNDER ENORMOUS PRESSURE - TO SIGN A DEAL THAT INCLUDED A - U.S. WITHDRAWAL. - DO YOU BELIEVE YOU COULD HAVE - RECEIVED A STRONGER DEAL UNDER A - PRESIDENT WHO WAS LESS PUBLICLY - PUSHING FOR WITHDRAWAL? - ZALMAY: WELL, I DID SOMETIMES - SAY TO THE PRESIDENT THAT IF, - OUR LEVERAGE IS THE PRESENCE. - IF WE WITHDRAW THE PRESENCE, THE - TALIBAN INCENTIVE TO GIVE US - WHAT WE WANT ON OTHER THINGS - WOULD BE MORE LIMITED, IF NOT - UNDERMINED. - NICK: DO YOU THINK PRESIDENT - TRUMP GAVE AWAY THAT LEVERAGE BY - WITHDRAWING? - ZALMAY: BUT THE PRESIDENT HAD - MADE IT CLEAR THAT WE HAD BEEN - THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME. - WE WERE NOT SUCCEEDING - MILITARILY. - IN FACT, WE WERE LOSING GROUND. - SO HE WAS ANXIOUS TO WITHDRAW. - NICK: I WILL GIVE YOU A CHANCE - TO ANSWER SOME OF YOUR CRITICS.

- YOU NEGOTIATED, OF COURSE, - DIRECTLY WITH THE TALIBAN, NOT - WITH THE TALIBAN AND THE AFGHAN - GOVERNMENT. - AND INTO THE 2020 AGREEMENT WENT - A DEAL TO RELEASE 5,000 - PRISONERS BY THE AFGHAN - GOVERNMENT, TALIBAN PRISONERS. - YOU DID SO OVER THE GOVERNMENT'S - OBJECTION. - WAS IT A FATAL MISTAKE, IN - RETROSPECT, NOT TO BE - NEGOTIATING BOTH WITH THE - TALIBAN AND THE AFGHAN - GOVERNMENT? - ZALMAY: WE WERE NEGOTIATING WITH - BOTH, BUT NOT TOGETHER, BECAUSE - I WAS SHUTTLING BETWEEN DOHA AND - KABUL. - I WAS SHOWING DRAFTS TO THE - AFGHAN GOVERNMENT. - WE WOULD HAVE PREFERRED, - OBVIOUSLY, TO DO IT TOGETHER - WITH THEM. - BUT THE TALIBAN REGARDED THE - GOVERNMENT AS A PUPPET, A - GOVERNMENT THAT HAD BEEN IMPOSED - BY THE U.S. FORCES, FORCES THAT - THEY REGARD AS OCCUPATION - FORCES. - NICK: BUT, BY INSERTING 5,000 - PRISONERS, BY FORCING THE AFGHAN - GOVERNMENT TO ACCEPT SOMETHING - THAT THE U.S. WAS DEMANDING, - DOES THAT NOT PLAY INTO THE - TALIBAN'S CLAIM THAT THAT'S A - PUPPET GOVERNMENT? - DOESN'T THAT DELEGITIMIZE THE - AFGHAN GOVERNMENT? - ZALMAY: WELL, THE AFGHAN - GOVERNMENT HAD PROBLEMS OF

- LEGITIMACY, GIVEN THE PROBLEMS - OF ITS ELECTION FRAUD, THE - PROBLEM OF TWO PRESIDENTS - ANNOUNCED HAVING INAUGURATION - THE SAME DAY THEY WERE GOING TO - DESTROY THE ARMY FROM INSIDE BY - DIVIDING THEM BETWEEN THE TWO. - BUT ON THE PRISONERS, THIS WAS A - CONFIDENCE-BUILDING MEASURE IN - EXCHANGE FOR THE TALIBS AGREEING - TO SIT WITH THE GOVERNMENT AS - THE GOVERNMENT. - NICK: SENIOR MILITARY LEADERS I - TALK TO SAY, WITH ALL DUE - RESPECT, HISTORY WILL NOT JUDGE - YOU WELL. - AND THEY SAY THAT YOU FATALLY - WEAKENED THE WILL OF THE AFGHAN - ARMY TO FIGHT BY SIGNING THAT - DEAL IN 2020. - ZALMAY: I BELIEVE THAT THE - CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE CONFRONTED - IN 2018-19, WHICH WERE THE - RESULT OF THE PREVIOUS 17 YEARS - OF PROBLEMATIC POLICIES, FAILED - EFFORTS AT BUILDING - INSTITUTIONS, NOT DEALING WITH - PROBLEMS SUCH AS THE ISSUE OF - SANCTUARY, AND THE CHOICE THAT

- WAS MADE TO BRING THE WAR HOME, - DEAL WITH THE REMAINING ISSUES - OF AFGHAN-AFGHAN ISSUES BY - DIPLOMACY, BY OUR OTHER - INSTRUMENTS, THE AMERICAN - MILITARY WAS NOT THE RIGHT - INSTRUMENT TO ENFORCE AN - AGREEMENT AMONG AFGHANS. - NICK: AMBASSADOR ZALMAY - KHALILZAD, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. - ZALMAY: THANK YOU. - JUDY: FACEBOOK ONCE AGAIN IS - UNDER FIRE OVER ALLEGED HARM - CAUSED BY THE PLATFORM AND THE - TECH GIANTS WILLINGNESS OR LACK - THEREOF TO STOP IT. - THE NEW DETAILS COME IN A SERIES - OF NEWS REPORTS BASED ON LEAKED - INTERNAL PAPERS GIVEN TO - CONGRESS AND FEDERAL REGULATORS - BY A FORMER EMPLOYEE. - AMNA NAWAZ HAS OUR CONVERSATION. - AMNA: THAT'S RIGHT, JUDY. - THE TROVE OF DOCUMENTS SHOWS - COMPANY LEADERS IGNORED EMPLOYEE - WARNINGS THAT FACEBOOK'S - DECISIONS COULD HARM VULNERABLE

- POPULATIONS, THAT THE COMPANY - WAS PRIVATELY TRACKING - REAL-WORLD HARM MADE WORSE BY - ITS OWN PLATFORM, AND HOW CEO - MARK ZUCKERBERG'S PUBLIC - STATEMENTS CONFLICTED WITH - PRIVATE COMPANY DATA. - YAEL EISENSTAT IS A FUTURE OF - DEMOCRACY FELLOW AT THE - BERGGRUEN INSTITUTE. - IN 2018, SHE WAS THE GLOBAL HEAD - OF ELECTION INTEGRITY OPERATIONS - FOR POLITICAL ADS AT FACEBOOK. - SHE JOINS US NOW. - YAEL, WELCOME TO THE "NEWSHOUR." - THANKS FOR MAKING THE TIME. - THE DOCUMENTS REALLY SHOW THE - EXTENT OF INTERNAL DISSENT, - PEOPLE RAISING RED FLAG AFTER - RED FLAG AND SAYING THEY WERE - IGNORED. - YOU SAID IN 2018 YOU RAISED - CONCERNS ABOUT FACT-CHECKING - POLITICAL SPEECH. - WHAT WAS THE RESPONSE YOU GOT - THEN? - YAEL: YES. - SO, 2018, WHEN I STARTED ASKING - QUESTIONS IN THE COMPANY ABOUT - WHETHER WE SHOULD FACT-CHECK - POLITICAL ADS, AND THAT IS A - REALLY KEY DISTINCTION, BECAUSE - POLITICAL ADS ARE THINGS THEY - WERE TAKING MONEY FOR. - SO, THEY WERE PAID SPEECH. - AND IT WAS VERY CLEAR TO ME THE - HARMS THAT COULD HAPPEN WHEN YOU - ALLOW PEOPLE WITH THE BIGGEST

- PLATFORMS TO LIE ABOUT VOTING, - ABOUT ELECTIONS, ABOUT ANY SORT - OF ISSUE, AND USE FACEBOOK'S - TARGETING TOOLS TO TARGET US - WITH THESE MESSAGES. - AND LOTS OF THE ENGINEERS AND - PROGRAM MANAGERS WERE REALLY - EXCITED ABOUT MY QUESTIONS. - BUT THERE WAS JUST NO APPETITE - FROM THE SENIOR LEADERSHIP TO - EVEN ENGAGE IN THAT - CONVERSATION. - AMNA: WHEN YOU SAY NO APPETITE, - PEOPLE BASICALLY SAID, THIS IS - NOT A PRIORITY FOR US? - YAEL: WHAT I DIDN'T REALIZE AT - THE TIME IS, THERE HAD ALREADY - BEEN DECISIONS MADE AT THE TOP - THAT, TO BE FRANK, THEY WOULDN'T - FACT-CHECK THE PRESIDENT OF THE - UNITED STATES AT THE TIME. - AND WE ALL SAW LATER WHEN THEY - MADE THOSE ANNOUNCEMENTS. - BUT BECAUSE THEY, AT THE END OF - THE DAY, THEY NEEDED TO PRESERVE - THEIR POWER WITH THE INCUMBENT, - AND SO THEY PUT THAT PRIORITY - OVER WHAT MANY PEOPLE IN THE - COMPANY BELIEVED WOULD ACTUALLY - PROTECT OUR DEMOCRACY. - AMNA: SPEAKING OF THE FORMER - PRESIDENT, I WANT TO ASK YOU - ABOUT JANUARY 6. - AND WE KNOW THAT LIE ABOUT - ELECTION FRAUD IN 2020, THAT - SPREAD LIKE WILDFIRE ACROSS - FACEBOOK AND FUELED THE VIOLENCE - ON JANUARY 6 ON THE CAPITOL

- ATTACK. - INTERNAL DOCUMENTS HAVE SHOWED - THAT FACEBOOK KIND OF HAD A WHAT - THEY CALL A PIECEMEAL APPROACH - TO CONTAINING SOME OF IT. - HERE'S WHAT FACEBOOK SAID IN A - STATEMENT ABOUT THAT. - THEY SAID: "AS WITH ANY - SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC EVENT, DEBATE - ABOUT THE ELECTION RESULTS WOULD - INEVITABLY SHOW UP ON FACEBOOK, - BUT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE - INSURRECTION LIES WITH THOSE WHO - BROKE THE LAW DURING THE ATTACK - AND THOSE WHO INCITED THEM, NOT - ON HOW WE IMPLEMENTED JUST ONE - SERIES OF STEPS WE TOOK TO - PROTECT THE U.S. ELECTION." - YAEL, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT? - DOES FACEBOOK BEAR SOME - RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT - VIOLENCE? - YAEL: THEY ABSOLUTELY DO. - AND EVEN ALL THESE DOCUMENTS - PROVE THAT MANY INTERNAL - EMPLOYEES AGREE. - FACEBOOK DOESN'T BEAR - RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE FACT THAT - WE HAVE POLITICAL FIGURES WHO - ARE WILLING TO LIE AND SOW - DIVISION AND HATRED, BUT THEY DO - BEAR RESPONSIBILITY FOR HOW THEY - LET THOSE LIES NOT JUST SPREAD - ON THEIR PLATFORM, BUT HOW THEY - CONNECT PEOPLE TO HATE GROUPS, - HOW THEY ALLOW THINGS LIKE STOP - THE STEAL TO SPREAD SO QUICKLY, - BECAUSE THEY VIEWED EACH POST - INDIVIDUALLY, AS OPPOSED TO THIS - WHOLE COORDINATED AUTHENTIC - ACTIVITY TO TIP THE SCALES AND - TO EVENTUALLY LEAD TO THIS.

- AND, TO BE FRANK. - I MEAN, I EVEN WARNED ABOUT THIS - A FULL YEAR AHEAD OF THE - ELECTION, THAT ELECTION VIOLENCE - WAS COMING BECAUSE OF HOW THE - PLATFORM WAS ALLOWING LIES ABOUT - THE ELECTION TO SPREAD. - SO, IT WAS LONG BEFORE STOP THE - STEAL STARTED THAT THEY WERE - BEING NEGLIGENT IN HOW THEY WERE - HANDLING VOTER MISINFORMATION, - HATE GROUPS, AND SOME OF THE - GROUPS STARTING TO RALLY AND - COORDINATE ON THEIR VERY OWN - PLATFORM. - AMNA: WHAT ABOUT VIOLENCE - OVERSEAS? - WE KNOW THE COMPANY'S SINGLE - LARGEST MARKET IS INDIA. - INTERNAL DOCUMENTS HAVE SHOWN IN - 2019 THAT THEY FUELED HATE - SPEECH ON THEIR PLATFORM. - THAT WAS VIOLENCE THERE - TARGETING MUSLIM COMMUNITIES. - THEY HAVE SAID THAT THEY'RE - INVESTING IN TECHNOLOGY, THAT - THEY'RE UPDATING THEIR POLICIES - AND THEIR ENFORCEMENT. - DOES THAT LINE UP WITH WHAT YOU - SAW? - YAEL: SO THAT'S ANOTHER - INTERESTING CASE. - I ACTUALLY TRAVELED WITH THE - FACEBOOK RESEARCH TEAM TO INDIA - IN 2018. - AND IF YOU NOTE, A LOT OF THE - DOCUMENTS ARE TALKING ABOUT 2019 - ON. - AND A LOT OF THE FACEBOOK P.R. - STATEMENTS NOW ARE TALKING ABOUT - 2019 ON. - WHEN WE WERE THERE IN 2018, WE - MET WITH LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO - SHOWED US WITHOUT QUESTION ABOUT

- TROLL FARMS AND FAKE ENGAGEMENT - AND HATRED SPREADING. - AND THEY WERE IMPLORING US TO DO - SOMETHING ABOUT IT. - AND OUR RESEARCH TEAM CAME BACK - AND PUT FORWARD THEIR - RECOMMENDATIONS. - AND SO TO SAY THAT THEY DIDN'T - KNOW THESE THINGS WERE HAPPENING - IS BLATANTLY UNTRUE. - BUT, AS THE DOCUMENTS NOW PROVE - TO US, AGAIN, THEY WERE MAKING - POLITICAL DECISIONS TO PROTECT - THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE - PARTY IN POWER IN INDIA. - AND THOSE POLITICAL DECISIONS - WERE PART OF THE REASONS THEY - DIDN'T ENFORCE SOME OF THEIR - VERY OWN POLICIES THAT COULD - HAVE POSSIBLY HELPED TAMP DOWN - SOME OF THE JUST MISINFORMATION - AND HATRED THAT SPREADS IN - INDIA. - AND JUST ONE MORE QUICK POINT. - ANOTHER THING THAT WE LEARNED IN - THE DOCUMENT IS THAT THEY ONLY - SPENT 80% OF THEIR BUDGET FOR - CLASSIFYING MISINFORMATION. - 87% OF THAT IS SPENT IN THE - U.S., AS OPPOSED TO ANYWHERE - ELSE IN THE WORLD, AND THE U.S. - ONLY REPRESENTS 10% OF THEIR - USER BASE. - AMNA: IT'S A FASCINATING LOOK

- FROM SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HOW IT - WORKS INSIDE, AND A STORY WE'RE - GOING TO STAY WITH. - THAT IS YAEL EISENSTAT, FORMER - GLOBAL HEAD OF ELECTION - INTEGRITY OPERATIONS FOR - POLITICAL ADS AT FACEBOOK. - THANKS FOR JOINING US TONIGHT. - YAEL: THANK YOU. - ♪ - JUDY: AS CONGRESS DEBATES A - MASSIVE BILL TO OVERHAUL THE - NATION'S PHYSICAL - INFRASTRUCTURE, ONE MICHIGAN - CITY IS AN EXAMPLE OHOW BADLY - HELP IS NEEDED AND HOW - COMMUNITIES OF COLOR ARE OFTEN - THE LAST TO RECEIVE IT. - JOHN YANG TRAVELED TO BENTON - HARBOR, WHERE THE WATER IS - UNDRINKABLE AND RESIDENTS' ANGER - IS AT A BOILING POINT. - JOHN: FOR THE PEOPLE OF BENTON - HARBOR, MICHIGAN, A NEW MORNING - ROUTINE. - TO MAKE A POT OF COFFEE OR BRUSH - THEIR TEETH, THEY NEED TO GET - THEIR HANDS ON BOTTLED WATER. - EARLIER THIS MONTH, STATE - OFFICIALS TOLD THEM NOT TO DRINK - OR COOK WITH TAP WATER BECAUSE - OF HIGH LEVELS OF LEAD.

- SO THE STATE HEALTH DEPARTMENT - IS DELIVERING TRUCKLOADS OF - BOTTLED WATER TO THIS SMALL CITY - ON THE SHORES OF LAKE MICHIGAN. - CHERITA BYNUM AND HER 2-YEAR-OLD - GRANDDAUGHTER KINSLIE GOT INTO - LINE AN HOUR-AND-A-HALF BEFORE - DISTRIBUTION STARTED. - >> I NEVER IMAGINED IT. - I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS THIS - SERIOUS, BUT IT IS. - >> IT SMELLED REAL FUNNY. - SOMETIMES, IT WILL JUST COME OUT - BROWN. - JOHN: BENTON HARBOR NATIVE - CARMELA PATTON GREW UP DRINKING - THE TAP WATER. - BUT, A FEW YEARS AGO, SHE BEGAN - TO SENSE THAT SOMETHING WASN'T - RIGHT. - CARMELA: A COUPLE TIMES, I DONE - GOT OUT OF THE TUB, OUT OF THE - SHOWER, I ITCHED REAL BAD, LIKE - CONSTANT ITCHES. - JOHN: LAST YEAR, PATTON HAD HER - WATER TESTED AND FOUND IT - CONTAINED OVER 100 PARTS PER - BILLION OF LEAD. - FEDERAL REGULATIONS SAY ACTION - MUST BE TAKEN AFTER READINGS OF - JUST 15 PARTS PER BILLION. - PATTON USES A FILTER ON HER - FAUCET PROVIDED BY THE STATE. - BUT NOW, STATE HEALTH OFFICIALS - WARN THAT CURRENT LEAD LEVELS - MAY BE TOO HIGH FOR THE FILTERS - TO WORK. - FOR PATTON, IT'S ALL PROMPTED

- QUESTIONS, LIKE ABOUT ONE OF HER - DAUGHTER'S DEVELOPMENTAL - DIFFICULTIES. - CARMELA: I GREW UP OFF THE - WATER. - I RAISED HER, MY 19-YEAR-OLD, - OFF THE WATER. - AND I'M WONDERING NOW, BECAUSE I - HAVE BEEN LOOKING AND READING, - IS THAT WHY SHE'S GOT DELAYS, - THAT SHE GOT HER ISSUES GOING - ON? - JOHN: THE CENTERS FOR DISEASE - CONTROL AND PREVENTION SAYS LEAD - IS HARMFUL AT ANY LEVEL, - ESPECIALLY IN CHILDREN, BECAUSE - IT CAN SLOW GROWTH AND RESULT IN - LEARNING AND BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS. - HOW DOES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL? - CARMELA: I FEEL STUPID. - I FEEL STUPID. - BUT, THEN AGAIN, I DON'T. - IT JUST FEEL LIKE I CAN'T TRUST - THE STATE. - I DON'T TRUST MY MAYOR, BECAUSE - YOU SAID THREE YEARS YOU KNEW - THIS, BUT YOU NEVER INTRODUCED - US TO IT. - JOHN: BENTON HARBOR RESIDENTS - LIKE PATTON MIGHT NEVER HAVE - KNOWN THE WATER ISN'T SAFE IF - NOT FOR THE REVEREND EDWARD - PINKNEY. - IN 2018, HE SENT THE WATER - SAMPLE FOR TESTING THAT FIRST - REVEALED HIGH LEAD LEVELS. - SINCE THEN, SIX CONSECUTIVE SETS

- OF TESTS CONDUCTED BY THE STATE - HAVE SHOWN EXCESSIVELY HIGH - LEVELS IN SOME BENTON HARBOR - HOMES. - >> IT WENT ON FOR THREE YEARS OF - SILENCE. - JOHN: PINKNEY CONTENDS LOCAL - OFFICIALS IGNORED THE PROBLEM. - REVEREND EDWARD PINKNEY: AND - THAT'S WHAT HURTS ME MORE THAN - ANYTHING ELSE. - AFTER ONE YEAR, AFTER ONE YEAR, - YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING. - YOU SHOULD HAVE TOLD THIS - COMMUNITY THAT THE WATER WAS - BAD. - JOHN: PINKNEY AND HIS GRSROOTS - GROUP, THE BENTON HARBOR - COMMUNITY WATER COUNCIL, HAVE - BEEN DISTRIBUTING BOTTLED WATER - SINCE 2019. - IN SEPTEMBER, THEY ASKED THE - FEDERAL ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION - AGENCY TO TAKE EMERGENCY ACTION. - ABOUT A MONTH LATER, THE STATE - ISSUED ITS WARNING. - REVEREND PINKNEY: THAT THEY HAD - NO CONCERN ABOUT THE COMMUNITY. - IF WE HAD NOT DONE IT, THEN THEY - WOULD NOT HAVE DONE IT - THEMSELVES. - >> WE WERE DOING WHAT WE COULD - WITH WHAT WE HAD AS RESOURCES. - JOHN: BENTON HARBOR MAYOR MARCUS - MUHAMMAD SAYS THE CITY DOESN'T - HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DEAL WITH - THE PROBLEM ALL BY ITSELF. - IT NEEDS THE STATE HELP THAT - MICHIGAN GOVERNOR GRETCHEN

- WHITMER HAS PLEDGED. - MARCUS MUHAMMAD: A SMALL CITY - LIKE BENTON HARBOR KIND OF GOT - LOST IN TRANSLATION, FROM OUR - PERSPECTIVE. - SO, WE'RE AT THE BEHEST AND THE - MERCY OF THE STATE. - JOHNELIZABETH HERTEL, - MICHIGAN'S DIRECTOR OF HEALTH - AND HUMAN SERVICES, ACKNOWLEDGES - RESIDENTS' COMPLAINTS THAT THEY - WERE LEFT IN THE DARK FOR TOO - LONG. - >> WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO WORK - AT HOW AND WHEN WE'RE - COMMUNICATING. - I THINK THE ONLY WAY TO REPAIR - THAT LACK OF TRUST IS TO - CONTINUE TO SHOW UP. - JOHN: AT TIMES, MARY ALICE ADAMS - COULDN'T USE THE WATER TO WASH - HAIR IN THE SALON SHE RAN IN HER - HOME BEFORE THE PANDEMIC. - MARY ALICE ADAMS: I'M NOT SURE - WHAT THIS IS. - JOHN: SHE'S BEEN A CITY - COMMISSIONER FOR 10 YEARS AND - BLAMES CITY AND STATE OFFICIALS - FOR FAILING TO SPOT THE PROBLEM - ON THEIR OWN AND TO ALERT - RESIDENTS ONCE IT WAS DETECTED. - MICK -- MARY: I WAS GETTING VERY - ANGRY ABOUT IT BECAUSE OUR - RESIDENTS SHOULD KNOW. - BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THE MAGNITUDE

- OF IT BECAUSE I KEPT AGAIN - ASKING. - WE NEED SOMEBODY TO EDUCATE US - ON WHAT THESE THINGS MEAN. - WE HAVE ELDERLY PEOPLE IN THE - COMMUNITY WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND - WHAT A PER, PART PER BILLION IS. - JOHN: THE CRISIS IN BENTON - HARBOR HAS ECHOES OF ANOTHER - CASE OF LEAD-TAINTED WATER - RUNNING OUT OF THE FAUCETS OF A - POOR MAJORITY-BLACK MICHIGAN - CITY. - THE STATE REACHED A $600 MILLION - SETTLEMENT WITH THE RESIDENTS OF - FLINT FOR ITS ROLE IN THAT - CITY'S LEAD CRISIS, WHICH - EMERGED IN 2014. - ADAMS' DAUGHTER GREW UP BOTH IN - FLINT AND BENTON HARBOR. - MARY: MY BABY BEING EPILEPTIC, I - DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT COULD - ACTUALLY DO GREATER HARM WITH A - CONDITION LIKE THAT. - AND HER, BETWEEN FLINT AND HERE, - SHE WAS LIKE GETTING A DOUBLE - PORTION OF LEAD. - JOHN: ADAMS STILL WONDERS - WHETHER LEAD MIGHT HAVE PLAYED A - ROLE IN HER DAUGHTER'S DEATH IN - 2018. - MARY: IT'S SAD WHEN YOU WATCH A - CHILD TAKE ALL OF THESE - DIFFERENT TYPES OF MEDICATIONS,

- PRAYING THAT THEY WOULD GET - BETTER, AND THEN DRINKING WATER, - BATHING IN WATER, BRUSHING YOUR - TEETH IN WATER. - TO THINK THAT LEAD ON TOP OF THE - MEDICATIONS CAUSED HER EVEN - GRAVER SUFFERING, IT'S SAD TO - WATCH A CHILD, AND CAN DO - NOTHING ABOUT IT. - JOHN: FOR MANY IN BENTON HARBOR, - THE CURRENT WATER PROBLEMS ARE - JUST THE LATEST CASE OF THEIR - CITY BEING LEFT HIGH AND DRY. - AFTER DECADES OF DISINVESTMENT - AND GOVERNMENT NEGLECT, THE - SCHOOLS ARE STRUGGLING, CRIME IS - HIGH, AND NEARLY HALF THE - POPULATION LIVES IN POVERTY. - BUT TAKE THE SHORT DRIVE ACROSS - A RIVER TO THE NEIGHBORING CITY - OF ST. - JOSEPH AND IT'S A STARK - CONTRAST, A MAJORITY WHITE CITY - WITH A THRIVING DOWNTOWN AND - SAFE DRINKING WATER. - REVEREND PINKNEY: WHEN YOU TALK - ABOUT ST. - JOSEPH, MICHIGAN, AND BENTON - HARBOR, MICHIGAN, YOU'RE TALKING - ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT WORLDS. - JOHN: PINKNEY POINTS TO A LONG - HISTORY OF MANUFACTURING DECLINE - AND SO-CALLED WHITE FLIGHT - THAT'S LEFT BENTON HARBOR - STRUGGLING WITH FEW RESOURCES

- AND A CRUMBLING INFRASTRUCTURE. - THAT HISTORY MAY BE WHY OUTRAGE - SEEMS COMMON AMONG BENTON HARBOR - RESIDENTS, BUT SURPRISE DOES - NOT. - REVEREND PINKNEY: ENVIRONMENTAL - RACISM RIGHT HERE, WE'RE LOOKING - AT IT. - LOOK AROUND YOU. - AND I ALWAYS TALK ABOUT HOW - DIFFERENT THINGS WOULD BE IF IT - WAS A WHITE COMMUNITY. - YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD CALL IN THE - ARMY, FEMA. - JOE BIDEN WOULD BE HERE. - YOU KNOW, ALL OF THIS WOULD - HAPPEN. - BUT, BY BEING A BLACK - NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY REALLY DON'T - CARE. - JOHN: MEANWHILE, RESIDENTS LIKE - CARMELA PATTON ARE STILL PAYING - FOR WATER THEY'RE BEING TOLD NOT - -- THEY CAN'T DRINK. - CARMELA: AND I GOT A CALL DOWN - THERE, STARTING WITH THE CITY - MANAGER, CALLED THEM. - WHY ARE WE PAYING FOR BAD WATER? - NOBODY RETURNED THE PHONE CALL, - E-MAIL OR ANYTHING. - AND THE BILLS IS PRETTY HIGH. - JOHN: MEANWHILE, BENTON HARBOR - IS RACING TO REPLACE ALL 6,000 - OF ITS LEAD SERVICE PIPES IN THE - NEXT 18 MONTHS.

- IT'S A PROJECT THAT WILL COST - SOME $30 MILLION. - THE STATE AND THE EPA HAVE BOTH - STEPPED IN TO HELP PAY FOR IT. - STATE HEALTH DIRECTOR ELIZABETH - HERTEL SAYS IT'S ABOUT TIME. - ELIZABETH: OUR WATER - INFRASTRUCTURE IN MICHIGAN AND - ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAS BEEN - WOEFULLY NEGLECTED. - SO WHILE THESE ARE THE TWO - COMMUNITIES THAT WE HAVE SEEN IT - THUS FAR, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT - THESE WILL BE THE ONLY - COMMUNITIES IN THE STATE OF - MICHIGAN OR ACROSS THE COUNTRY - WHERE WE'RE GOING TO SEE THIS. - JOHN: BUT FOR THOSE STUCK WITH - WATER THEY CAN'T DRINK, IT'S NOT - FAST ENOUGH. - CARMELA: I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO - TAKE A BATH, THEN YOU PRAY OVER - IT. - YOU DO WHAT YOU GOT TO DO. - BUT, AT THE SAME TIME, ARE YOU - ALL BATHING IN IT? - WHAT IS YOUR WATER LIKE? - JOHN: IN THE MEANTIME, THE - PEOPLE OF BENTON HARBOR CONTINUE - TO PAY THE PRICE. - FOR THE "PBS NEWSHOUR," I'M JOHN - YANG IN BENTON HARBOR, MICHIGAN. - JUDY: DEMOCRATS ARE NEAR YET - ANOTHER SELF-IMPOSED DEADLINE ON

- PRESIDENT BIDEN'S BUILD BACK - BETTER AGENDA, THIS ONE AT THE - END OF THE WEEK. - TO ANALYZE THIS A GREAT WEEK, - I'M JOINED BY AMY WALTER AND - TAMRA KEITH OF NPR. - HELLO TO BOTH YOU. - IT IS POLITICS MONDAY. - AMY, THAT'S TALK ABOUT THIS - BUILD BACK BETTER. - I REMEMBER ASKING THE TWO OF YOU - ABOUT THIS. - THERE DOES SEEM TO BE AS LISA - WAS REPORTING EARLIER, TALK - ABOUT THE FORCES AT PLAY HERE - RIGHT NOW. - >> CONGRESSIONAL DEMOCRATS WHO - ARE WORRIED ABOUT A REAL - DEADLINE AT THE END OF THE - MONTH, THE PRESIDENT IS LOOKING - AT WANTING TO GO OVERSEAS WITH - THE VICTORY, ESPECIALLY ON - SOMETHING LIKE CLIMATE CHANGE, - AND YOU HAVE THE GOVERNOR IN - VIRGINIA WITH THE DEMOCRAT WHO - SAYING HE WANTS DEMOCRATS IN MY

- STATE TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHAT'S - GOING ON, TO FEEL AS IF BIDEN IS - ACTUALLY GETTING SOME STUFF DONE - . - PRESIDENT BIDEN IS ACTUALLY - COMING NOT FAR FROM WHERE WE ARE - SITTING RIGHT NOW TOMORROW ON - TUESDAY TO TRY TO RALLY SUPPORT, - BUT IT WOULD BE MORE HELPFUL IF - JOE BIDEN WERE ACTUALLY GETTING - A LOT MORE DONE. - JUDY: THESE INTERNATIONAL - CLIMATE TALKS TAKING PLACE IN - SCOTLAND, THE PRESIDENT IS - HEADING OVER THERE. - HE'S USING THAT AS A REASON TO - SAY LET'S DO SOMETHING. - >> CERTAINLY HE IS SAYING THAT - IS PART OF THE ARTIFICIAL - DEADLINE. - THERE ARE SO MANY AIFICIAL - DEADLINES. - IN THIS WHITE HOUSE HAS MADE - CLEAR THAT THEY THINK THAT THESE - ARTIFICIAL DEADLINES ARE - HELPFUL, THAT THEY ARE - CLARIFYING, THAT THEY CAN PUSH - TO GET DEMOCRATS TO MOVE, AND - PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS CERTAINLY

- BEEN MORE PERSONALLY ENGAGED IN - THE CONVERSATIONS, GETTING DOWN - TO SOME NITTY-GRITTY DETAILS OF - WHAT MIGHT BE IN AND WHAT MIGHT - BE OUT, OR AT LEAST THEY ARE - TALKING ABOUT IT MORE PUBLICLY. - WHETHER HE CAN THROW SOME - CLIMATE ACTION INTO HIS CARRY-ON - BAG SEEMS PRETTY UNLIKELY AT THE - MOMENT. - WHO KNOWS, BUT THIS WOULD NOT BE - THE FIRST TIME AN AMERICAN - PRESIDENT HAS GONE TO AN - INTERNATIONAL SUMMIT ON CLIMATE - AND SAID AMERICA IS GOING TO DO - STUFF, LEAD THE WAY ON CLIMATE, - AND THEN CONGRESS HAS DIFFERENT - IDEAS, OR MORE AMBITIOUS PLANS - DO NOT MATERIALIZE. - JUDY: AND YOU WERE TELLING US AT - THE SAME TIME THERE IS A - DISCONNECT TO A DEGREE BETWEEN - WHAT IS BEING TALKED ABOUT IN - THIS OLD BACK BETTER PACKAGE AND - WHAT VOTERS THINK. - >> MANY TIMES THOSE VOTERS ARE - THE REASON WHY ONE OR THE OTHER

- WINS. - WE'VE SEEN IT DROP DOUBLE DIGITS - BY 15 POINTS IN THE GALLUP POLL - SINCE FEBRUARY. - A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH COVID - AND FRUSTRATIONS THEY ARE SEEING - ABOUT OTHER THINGS THAT ARE - HAPPENING. - BUT THE ECONOMY IS ANOTHER BIG - PIECE OF THIS. - YOU HEAR A LOT FROM SWING VOTERS - ON INFLATION, THINGS COSTING - MORE. - WHILE WASHINGTON IS TALKING - ABOUT THESE ISSUES THAT MANY - PEOPLE CARE ABOUT, IS NOT THAT - THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT CLIMATE - ARE CHILD TAX CREDITS, THEIR - DAY-TO-DAY LIVES RIGHT NOW ARE - CONSUMED WITH STILL WORRYING - ABOUT THE PANDEMICS IMPACT ON - THEIR LIVES, YOU HAVE ALL BEEN - TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT - THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH CHILDCARE - WORKERS, IT IS STILL CHALLENGING - TO GET YOUR CHILD INTO - CHILDCARE, PEOPLE STILL NOT - GOING BACK TO WORK. - ON TOP OF THAT, THE FACT THAT - THINGS JUST COST MORE. - THAT'S WHERE VOTERS ARE SITTING - RIGHT NOW. - IF IT LOOKS LIKE WASHINGTON - ISN'T PAYING ATTENTION TO THE - THINGS THAT MATTER RIGHT NOW IN

- THEIR LIVES. - AND THINGS THAT GENERALLY POLL - WELL, ESPECIALLY AMONG - DEMOCRATS. - JUDY: AMY BROUGHT UP THESE - GOVERNORS RACES THAT ARE - HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, PRESIDENT - BIDEN TODAY IN NEW JERSEY - CAMPAIGNING, TOMORROW HE WILL BE - BACK IN VIRGINIA WITH THE RACE - BETWEEN DEMOCRAT TERRY MCAULIFFE - AND REPUBLICAN GLENN YOUNGKIN. - PEOPLE ARE VOTING NOW IN - VIRGINIA, BUT WHAT WE KNOW AT - THIS POINT ABOUT HOW THESE RACES - ARE SHAPING UP? - >> AND INDYMAC -- INDICATION - THAT TERRY MCAULIFFE IS NERVOUS - IS THAT EVERYONE WHOSE NAME IS - ON THE FUNDRAISING EMAILS, THEY - ARE ALL COMING TOGETHER AND - HANGING OUT IN VIRGINIA, ALL - COMING BACK TO VIRGINIA. - THIS IS A CLOSE RACE. - IT WASN'T CLEAR AT THE BEGINNING - THAT IT WOULD BE A CLOSE RACE

- BUT IT IS CERTAINLY CLOSE NOW. - PART OF THAT IS THAT REPUBLICANS - ARE REALLY FIRED UP. - THIS IS THE WAY IT WORKS, EVERY - VIRGINIA GOVERNOR'S RACE, IT'S - THE YEAR AFTER A PRESIDENTIAL - ELECTION. - DEMOCRATS ARE IN POWER WANTING - TO FORGET ABOUT TRUMP, TERRY - MCAULIFFE IS MAKING THE RACE - SORT OF ABOUT TRUMP AND SORT OF - ABOUT THINGS THAT PEOPLE CARE - ABOUT. - LYNN YOUNG CAN IS WALKING THIS - TIGHTROPE AND SEEMINGLY - RELATIVELY EFFECTIVELY, WANTING - TRUMP'S BASE, NOT WANTING TO - UPSET THOSE PEOPLE BY MENTIONING - THINGS LIKE CRITICAL RACE THEORY - OR SOME OF THESE CULTURE WAR HOT - BUTTONS WHILE AT THE SAME TIME - TRYING TO BE EXTREMELY - PALATABLE, PRO-BUSINESS - REPUBLICAN IN THE MITT ROMNEY - MOLD. - JUDY: MODERATE REPUBLICANS, BUT - HE'S TALKING ABOUT CRITICAL RACE - THEORY AND SPEAKING ABOUT OTHER

- TOPICS THAT FORMER PRESIDENT - TRUMP TO HEAR ABOUT. - >> WHAT IS FASCINATING IN A - STATE LIKE VIRGINIA WHERE DONALD - TRUMP BEEN FRONT AND CENTER, HE - HAS BLOTTED OUT THE SUN. - EVERYTHING HAS BEEN ABOUT DONALD - TRUMP, AND THE SUPPORT DEMOCRATS - HAS GONE UP EACH ONE OF THOSE - YEARS FROM 2017 THROUGH 2020. - BUT TERRY MCAULIFFE IS TRYING TO - ATTACH HIM AS CLOSELY AS - POSSIBLE, AND IT'S ALSO - HAPPENING IN NEW JERSEY. - CAN TRUMP STILL WORK AS A - MOTIVATOR FOR DEMOCRATS, - ESPECIALLY IN THESE STATES? - THAT IS WHAT ONE OF THE MOST - IMPORTANT THINGS WILL BE AFTER - THESE ELECTIONS ARE OVER, IF IT - DOESN'T WORK, DEMOCRATS WILL SAY - TO THEMSELVES, WHAT WILL WEALK - ABOUT NEXT YEAR?

- THIS WILL BE ONE OF OUR PLANS TO - MOTIVATE VOTERS. - HE WILL BE AROUND BUT HE'S NOT - IN THE WHITE HOUSE THIS TIME. - JUDY: THE CONGRESSIONAL WOMEN'S - SOFTBALL GAME, WOMEN REPORTERS - PLAYING WOMEN MEMBERS OF - CONGRESS. - >> AN EXCELLENT CATCHER. - >> AND AN EXCELLENT PICTURE - RIGHT OVER HERE. - JUDY: ALL TO BENEFIT BREAST - CANCER. - GO GIRLS, THANK YOU. - ♪ - JUDY: IT WAS JUST LAST MONTH - THAT A THEME WENT VIRAL ON THE - SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM TIKTOK, - LEADING TO WIDESPREAD DAMAGE IN - SCHOOLS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. - KNOWN AS THE DEVIOUS LICKS - CHALLENGE, IT HAS ENCOURAGED - STUDENTS TO RECORD A VIDEO OF - THEMSELVES STEALING OR - VANDALIZING SCHOOL PROPERTY,

- EVERYTHING FROM BATHROOM SOAP - DISPENSERS AND EXIT SIGNS TO - FIRE EXTINGUISHERS, AND - AMOUNTING TO UNTOLD THOUSANDS OF - DOLLARS' WORTH OF DAMAGE, AND - THEN POSTING THE VIDEO ON - TIKTOK. - OUR STUDENT REPORTING LABS - NETWORK ASKED YOUNG PEOPLE AND - SCHOOL STAFF ABOUT THIS TREND - AND THE EFFECTS ON SCHOOL - COMMUNITIES. - ANDREA: THE FIRST TIME I SAW THE - DEVIOUS LICK CHALLENGE WAS ON MY - FOR YOU PAGE. - THIS KID WAS RUNNING THROUGH THE - HALLS WITH THIS PRINCIPAL'S CAR - DOOR. - I WAS LIKE, WHAT'S HAPPENING? - WHAT'S GOING ON? - WHAT ARE PEOPLE TRYING TO PROVE - WITH DOING THIS? - >> MY CLASSROOM HAD PRETTY MUCH - BEEN DESTROYED. - THERE WAS LIKE POSTERS TORE OFF - THE WALL. - THE KIDS HAD TAKEN BOOKS THAT - I'D PERSONALLY BOUGHT. - AND THEY TOOK THE BOOKS AND - THEY, LIKE, TOOK THEM, TOOK A - PAPER CUTTER, AND, LIKE, CUT THE - COVERS AND PAGES OF THE BOOKS. - >> A COUPLE KIDS DECIDED IT - WOULD BE FUNNY TO STEAL A FIRE - HYDRANT. - >> AT MY SCHOOL, PEOPLE ARE - STEALING THE MOST OBSCURE - THINGS, LIKE EXIT SIGNS, STALL - DOORS. - >> WELL, AT MY SCHOOL, I KNOW - THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN SOAP

- DISPENSERS, AND PAPER TOWEL - DISPENSERS. - AND, REALLY RECENTLY, I HEARD - THAT SOMEONE TRIED TO TAKE A - WATER FOUNTAIN. - >> I HAVE TO BRING HAND - SANITIZER BECAUSE THE - SECOND-FLOOR SOAP FOR THE GIRL'' - RESTROOM IS GONE. - >> OUR SCHOOL HAS DECIDED TO - CLOSE THE BATHROOMS DOWN AND - ONLY OPEN ONE BATHROOM FOR EACH - GENDER, SO THAT THEY CAN MONITOR - THE BATHROOM. - >> I LIKE A FUN TIME, BUT THIS - IS PRETTY INSANE. - >> TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST, FROM - THE TEACHER PERSPECTIVE, THAT - JUST KILL'S A PERSON'S SPIRIT, - TO SEE THAT LEVEL OF DISRESPECT. - >> I KIND OF WANTED TO - PARTICIPATE IN IT, BUT AT THE - SAME TIME, I KNOW THE - CONSEQUENCES THAT COME WITH IT. - AND TAKING THINGS FROM MY SCHOOL - WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE THE BEST - IDEA, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF - PUNISHMENTS. - >> STUDENTS THAT ARE - PARTICIPATING IN DEVIOUS LICKS, - THEY ARE RECEIVING SUSPENSIONS - ALL THE WAY UP TO EXPULSIONS. - >> NO MATTER THE TREND, NO - MATTER IF IT'S VANDALISM OR - THEFT OR DOING A DANCE, I THINK - KIDS WILL DO WHAT THEY CAN TO - GET THEIR FIVE SECONDS OF FAME. - >> ONE PERSON'S GOING TO DO

- SOMETHING AND THEY GET VIRAL - FROM IT OR SOMETHING, SO THEN - SOMEBODY ELSE ISOING TO WANT - TO FOLLOW ALONG. - >> IT'LL DIE OFF WITHIN A COUPLE - WEEKS, BUT THE IMPACT AND THE - DESTRUCTION, IT'S GOING TO LAST. - >> ONCE YOU START LIKING STUFF, - YOU GUYS HEAR THE TERM ALGORITHM - THROWN OUT A LOT, BUT, - BASICALLY, IT JUST FEEDS YOU - MORE OF WHAT YOU'RE ALREADY - INTERESTED IN AND WHAT YOU LIKE. - SO, ESSENTIALLY, IT'S JUST GOING - TO KEEP GOING AND KEEP HAPPENING - BECAUSE KIDS ARE GOING TO SEE - MORE OF IT AND THINK, OH, THIS - IS GOING TO MAKE IT GOOD. - THIS IS ALL I'M SEEING NOW. - >> SCHOOLS ALREADY HAVE A SMALL - BUDGET TO BEGIN WITH TO BE - SPENDING MONEY ON FIXING - DAMAGES. - IF THIS IS THE WAY WE WANT TO - PROTEST THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, IT'S - MAKING IT REALLY HARD FOR PEOPLE - TO TAKE US SERIOUSLY. - JUDY: TAKING A TREND TOO FAR, - AND IT'S GOOD TO SEE SO MANY - STUDENTS RECOGNIZE THAT. - MEANTIME, A U.S. SENATE - COMMITTEE WILL HOLD A HEARING - TOMORROW ON TIKTOK AND OTHER - SOCIAL MEDIA APPS, SUCH AS - INSTAGRAM AND SNAPCHAT, WHERE - LAWMAKERS WILL EXAMINE THE - PRESSURES AND RISKS FOR - CHILDREN, TEENS AND YOUNG - ADULTS, WHO ARE INCREASINGLY

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- ♪♪ - ♪♪ - -Today on "Cook's Country," - I'm making a saucy - Italian meatloaf, - Jack explores the world - of garlic substitutes, - Toni's telling us - all about scampi, - and then Ashley's making - chicken scampi. - It's all coming up next - on "Cook's Country."