PBS NewsHour; February 20, 2020, 6:00pm-7:00pm PST

- ♪ - JUDY: GOOD EVENING, I AM JUDY - WOODRUFF. - ON THEEW NOUR TONIGHT, PRISON - TI FOR ROGER STONE. - PRESIDENT TRUMP'SIM LONALLY - SENTENCED TO PRISON IN A CASE - ROILING THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. - >> IF THEY WISH TO SPEAK OUT AND - TELL THEIR SIDETHE STORY - YOU, YOU ARE RELEASING THEM ON - TELEVISION TONIGHT? - JUDY: A SHOWDOWN IN LAS VEGAS. - THE HIGHS AND LOWSF LAST - NIGHT'S BRUISING PRESIDENTIAL - DEBATE. - EZAND, INSIDEUELA. - THE IMPACT OF THE COURY'S - DETERIORATING ECONOMY AMID A - YEAR-LONG POLITICAL POWER - STRUGGLE. - >> I NEVER IMAGINED I WOULD SEE - MY PEOPLE EATING FROM THE - THAT INFURIATES ME. - ITHURIATES ME BECAUSE THIS - IS A RICH COUNTRY.

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- SUPPORTING INNOVATIONS IN - N, DEMOCRATIC - ENGAGEMENT AND THE ADVANCEMENT - OF INTERNATIONAL PEACE AND - SECURITY AT CARNEGIE.ORG. - AND WITH THE ONGOING SUPPORT OF - THESE INDIVIDUALS AND - INSTITUTIONS. - ♪ - >> THIS PROGRAM WAS MADE - POSSIBLE BY THE CORPORATION FOR - PUBLIC BROADCASTING AND BY - CONTRITIONS TO YOUR PBS - STATION FROM VIEWERS LIKE YOU. - THANK YOU. - JUDY: WE HAVE T LEAD STORY - TOGHT, THE FALLOUT FROM - FIERY DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL - DEBATE, WHICH WE WILL GET TO - SHORTLY, AND THE SENTEING OF - ONE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP'S CLOSEST - ALLIES, ROGER STONE. - THE U.S. DISTRICT COURT JUDGE IN

- WASHINGTON SENTENCED STONE TO 40 - MONTHS I PRISON FOR WITNESSIN - TAMPERAND LYING TO CONGRESS. - HE IS THE PRESIDENT'S SEVENTH - ASSOCIATE TO FACE JAIL TIME FOR - CRIMES STEMMING FR THE - INVESTIGATION INTO RUSSIAN - INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016 - ELECTION. - AT AN EVENT IN LAS VEGAS - PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID HE WOULD - HOLD OFF ON DECIDING WHETHER TO - PARD STONE. - PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: ROGER - HAS A VERYOOD CHANCE OF - EXONERATION, IN MY OPINION. - I'M GOING WATCH THE PROCESS. - I'M GOING TO WATCH IT VERY - CLOSELY. - AND, AT SOME POINT, I WILL MAKE - A DETERMINATION. - HAS TO BE TREATED . EVERYBODY - AND THIS HAS NOT BEEN A FAIR - PROCESS. - JUDY WOODRUFF: WILLIAM BRANGHAM - WAS IN THE COURTROOM TODAY, AND - HE JOINS ME NOW. - SO, HELLO, WILLIAM. - U WERE THERE FOR THIS ENTIRE - PROCEEDING. - FIRST OF ALL, REMIND US, WHAT - WERE THE CHARGES AGAINST ROGER - STONE THAT HE WAS FOUND GUILTY - OF? - WILLIAM BRANGHAM: ASOU TOUCHED - ON BRIEFLY, HE WAS CHARGED WITH - TWO THINGS, LYING TO CONGRESS - AND WITNESS TAMPERING.S - THIS GCK TO AN - INVESTIGATION THAT THE HOUSE

- INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE WAS DOINS - INTOAN MEDDLING AND - WHETHER WHAT ROLE WIKILEAKS - PLAYED IN THE RELEASE OF THOSE - DEMOCRATIC E-MAILS DUR - CAMPAIGN. - STONE WAS CONVICTED OF LYING TO - THOSE INVESTIGATORS FOR THE - HOUSE MMITTEE. - HE WAS ALSO CONVICTED OF TRYING - TO GET A WITNESS TO NOIFY - TO THOSE INVESTIGATORS. ED - HE WAS ACCF THREATENING - THAT WITNESS AND THREATENING THE - WITNESS' DOG, EVEN THOUGH THAT - SAYING HE DIDN'ELTE A LETTER - THREATENED - JUDGAMY BERMAN JACKSON, THE - JUDGE WHO SENTENCED STONE TODAY, - WASN'T BUYING ANY OF IT. E - ID THAT THIS WITNESS - INTIMIDATION WAS QUOTE "A - CORRUPT AND UNLAWFUL CAMPAIGN TO - TAMPER WITH A WITNESS." - AND, REALLY, THE JUDGE ALL DAY - TODAY WAS VERY, VERYTICAL OF - ROSAR STONE. - SH IN PARCULAR, SHE - SAID STONE TOOK IT UPON HIMSELF - TO LIE, TO IMPEDE, AND TO - OBSTRUCT. - TO THE AUSATION THAT THE - ESIDENT AND MANY OF HIS - SUPPORTERS HAVE MADE, THAT THIS - WAS ALA PROSECUTION BASED ON - STONE'S ALLEGIANCE TO PRESIDENT

- TRUMP, JUDGE SAID THAT STONE WAS - NOT PROSECUTED FOR SG UP - FOR THE PRESIDENT -- HE WAS - FPROSECUTED FOR COVERING OR - THE PRESIDENT. - JUDY WOODRUFF: IT SOUNDS AS IF - SHE HAD QUITE AN EXTENSIVE - STATEMENT TO MAKE. - SO, WILLM, THIS SENTENCING - COMES IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS - UNUSUAL TURMOIL RIGHT NOW IN THE - AIR BETWEEN THE WHITE HOUSE, THE - PRESIDENT, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, - THE PROSECUTORS. - ALL THAT'S IN THE BACKGROUND AS - THIS IS HAPPENING. - WILLIAM BRANGHAM: RIGHT. - IT REALLY IS AN ALMOST AN - UNPREDENTED MOMENT THAT WE - HAVE HAPPENING.ND - JUST TO REIEWERS OF WHAT - HAPPENED. - THE ORIGINAL PROSECUTORS ON THIS - CASE RECOMMENDED A - SEVEN-TO-NINE-YEAR-LONG SENTENCE - R ROGER STONE. - PRESIDENT TRUMP IMMEDIATELY - PROTESTED, SAID THAT THAT WAS - HARSH AND UNFAIR.DA - THE VERY NEX ATTORNEY - GENERAL WILLIAM BARR STEPPED IN - AND OVERRULED HIS PROSECUTORS - AND SAID, YES, IT IS TOO UNFAIR - AND A HARSH SENTENCE. - THOSE FOUR PROSECUTORS THEN QUIT - THE CASE. EY - IDN'T SAY PUBLICLY WHY, - BUT EVERYONE READ IT AS A CLEAR

- PROTEST AGAINST THIS - INTERVENTION. - PROSECUTION DURINY, DURING THE - SENTENCING, YOU COULD SEE THESE - FOUR EMPTY CHAIRS AT THE - PROSECUTION'S TABLE WHERE THOSE - GENTLEMEN WOULD HAVE BEEN - U.S. ATTORNEY HAD TO STEP IN - INTO THEIR ROLE. - AND THE JUDGE THIED TO GET TO - BOTTOM OF THIS. - SHE ASKED U.S. ATTORNEY JOHN - CRABB SEVERAL TIMES -- WHO - ORDERED YOU TO WRITE THAT MEMO? - DID YOU WRITE THAT MEMO? - DID YOU SIGN THAT MEMO? - SHE WAS SEEMINGLY TRYING TO GET - TO THE BOTTOM OF ALL OF THIS. - CRABB SAID: IN THE END, I CAN'T - DISCUSS INTERNAL DELIBERATIONS. - ALL OF THAT SAID, THE JUDGE - STILL DID DECIDE TO SENTENCE - STONE TO LESS THAN WHAT THOSE - EDPROSECUTORS ORIGINALLY A - JUDY WOODRUFF: THREE YEARS, A - LITTLE MORE A LITTLE MORE THAN - THREE YEARS. - SO, FINALLY, WHAT HAPPENS NOW TO - ROGER STONE? - WILLIAM BRANGHAM: WELL, HE'S - GOING TO GO POSSIBLY FOR - THREE-AND-A-HALF YEARS IN - PRISON. OW - WE DON'T XACTLY WHEN THAT - MIGHT START. - THE LOOMING QUESTION OVER ALL OF - THIS IS WHETHER PRESIDENT TRUMP, - AS YOU MENTIONED, GOING TO - PARDON HIM.

- THE PRESIDENT HAS, WE KNOW, BEEN - TOYING WITH THAT IDEA. - ETWEETING OUT FOX - NEWS HOSTS CALLING HIM VERY - SPECIFICALLY TO DO THAT. - BUT WE JUST DON'T KNOW YET. - JUDY WOODRUFF: WELL, WE WILL - CONTINUE TO WATCH IT. - WILLIAM BRANGHAM, FASCINATG - STORY. - THANK YOU. - ♪ - JUDY: -- STEPHANIE: GOOD - NEWSHOUR WEST.EPHANIE SY AT - WE WILL RETURN TO JUDY WOODRUFF - AFTER THESE HDLINES. - THERE IS WORD INTELLIGENCE - OFFICIALS HAD A SECRET MEETING - WEEK ANDOLD THEM RUSSIA ISAST - TRYING TO INTERFERE IN THE 2020 - ELECTION IN A BID TO GET - ESIDENT TRUMP REELECTED. - ACCORDING TO THE WASHINGTON POST - YORK TIMES, T - DISCLOSURE DROVE THE PRESIDENT - DIRECTOR OF NATIONALCTING - INTELLIGENCE, JOSEPH MAGUIRE, - WHO WAS REPLACEDESTERDAY BY A - LONG TIM TRUMP ALLY. - AFTER SEVERAL DAYS OF DECLINING - EMBERS, CHINA REPORTED NEW CASES - , UPTICK FROM THE PREVIOUS

- DAYS OF REPORTING. - ALL THE COUNTRY HASEPORTED - MORE THAN 75,000 CASES OF - CORONAVIRUS AND MORE THAN 2200 - DEATHS. - MEANWHILE JAPAN REPORTED ITS - FIRSTEATH FROM A QUARANTINED - CRUISE SHIP, AN ELDERLY JAPANESE - COUPLE. - WHILE THE NUMBER OF CASES - OUTSIDE CHINA ISSTMALL, IT IS - L A CONCERN. - >> ITMA DOES NOT MEAN THIS - NUMBER WILL STAY THE SAME. - IT IS ONLY A WINDOW OF - OPPORTUNITY. - WHTHAT IWE SAY THIS IS THE - TIME TO ATTACK T VIRUS, WHY IT - IS MANAGEABLE. - STEPHANIE: SOUTH KOREA REPORTED - ITS FIRST DEATH FROM THE VIRUS - AND HAS 156 CASES. - WORKERS SPRAYED DISINFECTANT IN - A CITY. - 2.5 MILLION RESIDENTS WERE URGED - TO STAY HOME. - IN THE U.S. FUOR -- FOUR - AMERICANS HAVE BEEN SENT TO THE

- HOSPITAL IN SPOKANE, WASHINGTON - FOR TREATMENT. - THEY HAD BEEN PASSENGERS ON THE - CRUISE SHIP. - THE HOSPITAL WAS CHOSEN BECAUSE - OF ITS SECURE ISOLATION ROOMS - FOR AIRBORNE ILLNESSES. - >> THERE ARE NO RISKS TO THE - RESIDENTS OF SPOKANE COUNTY. - IN GENERAL THE RISK FOR THE - VEGENERAL PUBLIC OF THE NOL - CORONAVIRUS, COVID-19, REMAINS - LOW. - STEPHANIE: GERMANY REELING AFTER - A SHOOTING RAMPAGE LEFT NE - PEOPLEEAD WEDNESDAY NIGHT. - THE GUNMAN, SUSPECTED TO HAVE - FAR RIGHT TIES, OPENED FIRE ON A - HOOKAH BAR IN AN IMMIGRANT - NEIGHBORHOOD NEAR FRANKFURT AREA - HE WAS FOUND DEAD HIS - APARTMENT ALONG WITH HIS MOTHER. - A SURGE IBEEN - EXTREMISM IN GERMANY. - ROBERT PAULO HAS THE REPORT. - LLROBERT: IN A SMAERMAN CITY, - GROWING EXTREMISM REARS ITS UGLY

- FACE, NINE PEOPLE SHOT DEAD, ALL - BELIEVED TO BE OF A MIGRANT - BACKGROUND. - THE WOMAN RUNNING THE BAR -- - THIS MAN WAS RUNNING THE BAR - CLOSE TO THE ATTACK. - >> I HEARD A GUNMAN RUNNING AND - I WAS IN SHOCK. - I HEARD MANY SHOTS. - >> THE SHOOTINGS TOOK PLACE 20 - MILES EAST OF FRANKFORD. - THE GUNMAN HAS BEEN NAMED, HEED - SHIS RACIST VIEWS ON - SOCIAL MEDIA BEFOREHAND AS WELLI - A WRITTEN MANIFESTO OF - HATE SAYINGERTAIN PPLE - SHOULD BE EXTERMINATED. - THE AUTHORITIES ADMIT THEY DIDPE - NOT HAVE THE S ON THEIR - RADAR. - IT IS THE MOST DEADLY OF RECENT - ATTACKS HERE IN GERMANAND - COMES DAYS BEFORE A PLOTT TO - MOSQUES AROUND THE COUNTRY WAS - BLOCKED. - CHANCELLOR MERKEL PLEDGED TO

- GHT THOSE WHO TRY TO DIVIDE - HER COUNTRY. - RACISM IS A POISON, SHE SAID. - THIS POISON EXIS IN OUR - SOCIETY AND IT IS RESPONSIBLE - R TOO MANY LIVES. - THE GUNMAN KILLED HIMSELF AND - HIS MOTHER IN THEIR AS - POLICE CLOSED IN. - THE FEDERAL PROSECUTOR IS - INVESTIGATING IF HE HAD - ABOUT HIS PLAN.IF ANYONE KNEW - THE OPEN-DOOR POLICY ON - IMMIGRATION IS STILL FUELING - ANGER. - TONIGHT AT THE BRANDENBURG GATE - IN BERLIN, GERMANS STAND - UNIFIED. - STEPHANIE: THAT REPORT FROM - ROBERT PAOLO. - TURKEY SAID SYRIA KILLEDWOF - ITS SOLDIERS IN IDLIB PROVINCE - THEY SAY MORE THAN 50 SOLDIER - IN RETALIATION. - SYRIAN FORCES BACKED BY RUSSIA'S - AIR FORCE ARE ENGAGED IN AN - OFFENSIVE TO RECAPTURE THE - REGION. - THNSIFIED FIGHTING IN - SYRIA'S LAST REBEL HELD BASTION - S DISPLACED NEARLY ONE MILLION

- SYRIANS SINCE EARLY DECEMBER. - >> WE SUFFERED A LOT THE ROAD - BECAUSE DISPLACEMENT WAS - DIFFICULT AND THERE ARE. - PROBLE - WE WANT THE WORLD TO SEE ABOUT - US AND KNOW OUR CONDITIONS, THE - CHILDREN IN THESE CAMPS. - TURKEY WILL EITHER RESOLVE - SITUATION OR MAKE US RETURN TO - OUR LAND. - IT REALLY IS A DIFFIC - SITUATION. - STEPHANIE: FRESH CLASHES A DAY - AFTER PRESIDENT ERDOGAN THREATEN - TO ATTACK SYRIAN FORCES IF ANY - MORE TURKISHDI SS WERE HUR - IN SOUTH SUDAN RIVAL LEADERS - FORMED LONG-DELAYED COALITION - GOVERNMENT. - THEY MET IN THE CAPITAL TODAY TO - DISCUSS THEIR POWER-SD RING DEAL - AH A DEADLINE SATURDAY. - IT IS A MAJOR BREAKTHROUGHY AS - THE COUN RECOVERS FROM A FIVE - YEAR CIVIL WAR THAT IS CLAIMED - NEARLY 400,000 LIVES. - IN BUSINESS NEWS THE INVESTMENT - BANK MORGAN STANLEY IS BUYING - ONLINE DISCOUNT BROKER E*TRADE - BIGGEST TAKEOVER BY A MAJOR U.S. - BANK SINCE THE 2008 FINANCIAL

- CRISIS. - LYZING THEOME, A - HIGHS AND LOWS OF LAST NIGHTS'S - CONTENTIOUS DEMOCRATIC DEBATE. - EXAMINING THE HUMANUFFERING - CALLED BY ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL - CHAOS INSIDE VENEZUELA. - CALIFORNIA WRESTLES WITH ITS - OVERWHELMING HOMELESS CRISIS, - AND MUCH MORE. - THIS IS THE "PBS NEWSHOUR,P - ONOM WETA STUDIOS IN WASHIN - AND FROM THE WEST, THE WALTER - CRONKITE UNIVERSITY. - JUDY: LAST NIGHT'S DEMOCRATIC - PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IN LAS VEGAS - WAUPTHE MOST CONTENTIOUS MAT - YET FOR THE PARTY'S LEADING - CONTENDERS. - AS AMNA NAWAZ REPORTS, IT ALL - CAME AT A CRITICAL MOMENT IN THE - MPAIGN, WITH EARLY VOTIN - JUST DAYS TO GO BEHE STARTS, AND - OF THE NEVADA CAUCUSES. - MICHAEL BLOOMBERG: S - YOUR NIGHT LAST NIGHT? - [LAUGHMIR]

- AMNA NAWAZAEL BLOOMBERG - CAMPAIGNING TODAY IN UTAH, JUST - HOURS AFTER HIS FIRST DEMOCRATIC - DEBATE APPEARANCE IN LAS VEGAS, - WHERE HE WAS THE CENTER OF HIS - RIVALS' ATTENTION. - SEN. AMY KLOBUCHAR: I THINK IT - IS GREAT YOU HAVE GOT A LOT OF - MONEY, BUT I THINK YOU HAVE GOT - TATO COME FORWARD WITH YOU - RETURNS. - AMNA NAWAZ: THE BILLIONAIRESI - SSMAN ENTERED THE RACE - JUST THREE MONTHS AGO, BUT HIS - OPPONENTS MADE UP FOR LOST TIMEH - SHARPLLENGING BLOOMBERG'S - RECORD AS A THREE-TERM MAYOR OFC - NEW YORKITY. - SEN. BERNIE SANDERS: MR. - BLOOMBERG HAD POLICIES IN NEW - YORK CITY OF STOP AND FRISK, - WHICH WENT AFTER - AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND L - PEOPLE IN AN OUTRAGEOUS WAY. - MICHAEL BLOOMBERG: ID I GO BACK - ANLOOK AT MY TIME IN OFFICE, - THE LYE THING THAT I'M RE - WORRIED ABOUT, EMBARRASSED - ABOUT, WAS HOW IT TURNED OUTAN - WITH STOD FRISK. - FORMER VICE PRESIDENT JOSEPH - BIDEN: IT'S NOT WHETHER HE - APOLOGIZED OR NOT. - IT'S THE POLICY.

- THE POLICY WAS ABHORRENT. - AMNA NAWAZ: MASSACHUSETTS - SENATOR ELIZABETH WARREN - REPEATEDLY QUESTIONED BLOOMBERG - ON ALLEGAT - COVERED UP REPORTS OF SEXUAL - MISCONDUCT. - SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN: SO, MR. - MAYOR, ARE YOU WILLING TO - RELEASE ALL OF THOSE WOMEN FROM - TSOSE NONDISCLOSURE AGREEM - SO WE CAN HEAR THEIR SIDE OF THE - STORY? - [LAUGHTER] - -- [APPLAUSE] - MICHAEL BLOOMBERG: WE HAVE A - VERY FEW NONDISCLOSURE - AGREEMENTS. - SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN: HOW MANY - IS THAT? - MICHAEL BLOOMBERG: LET ME - FINISH. - SEN. ELIZABETH WREN: HOW MANY - IS THAT? - MICHAEL BLOOMBERG: NONE OF THEM - OTHER THAN MAYBE THEY DIDN'T - LIKE A JOKE I TOLD, AND LET ME - JUST -- - [BOOING] - THESE WOULD BE AGREEMENTST ME - BETWEEN TWO PARTIES THAT WANTED - TO KEEP IT QUIET, AND THAT IS UP - TO THEM. - THEY SIGNED THOSE AGRE, - AND WE WILL LIVE WITH IT. - AMNA NAWAZ: WARREN CONTINUED HER - ATTACKS AT A CAMPAIGN ST - TODAY. - SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN: IT WAS MY - JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT AMERICA - GOT A LITTLE CLOSER LOOK AT - MAYOR BLOOMBERG, AND CAME TO - UNDERSTAND THAT, OF ALL THE - PEOPLE STANDING ON THE STAGEISHE - HE RISKIEST ONE FOR THE - DEMOCRATS. - AMNA NAWAZ: LAST NIGHT, OTHERS, - SANDERS, CONFRONTED BLOOMBERG ON - HIS ESTIMATED $60 BILLION - PERSONAL FORTUNE.

- SEN. BERNIE SANDERS: MIKE - BLOOMBERG OWNS MORE WEALTH THAN - THE BOTTOM 125 MILLION - ERICANS. - THAT'S WRONG. - THAT'S AZMORAL. - AMNA NBLOOMBERG, A - REPUBLICAN-TURNED-DEMOCRAT WHO - RS RUNNING AS A MODERATE - ALTERNATIVE TO S, PUSHED - BACK. - MICHAEL BLOOMBERG: WHAT A - WONDERFUL COUNTRY WE HAVE. - THE BEST-KNOWN SOCIALIST IN THE - COUNTRY HAPPENS TO BE AE - MILLIONATH THREE HOUSES. - WHAT DID I MISS HERE? - AMNA NAWAZ: SANDERS AND - BLOOMBERG ARE LEADING THE FIELD - IN THE MOST RECENT "PBS - NEWSHOUR"/NPR/MARIST POLL. - BUT BOTH WERE ACCUSED BY FORMER - SOUTH BEND, INDIANA, MAYOR PETE - BUTTIGIEG OF BEING TOO - POLARIZING TO WIN. - PETE BUTTIGIEG: LET'S PUT - FORWARD SOMEBODY WHO'ACTUALLY - A DEMOCRAT. - [LAUGHTER] - PETE BUTTIGIEG: LOOK, WE - SHOULDN'T HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN - ONE CANDIDATWHO WANTS TO BURN - THIS PARTY DOWN AND ANOTHER - CANDIDATE WHO WANTS TO BUY THIS - PARTY OUT. - AMNA NAWAZ: WEDNESDAY'S DEBATE - WAS ONE OF THE LAST CHANCES FOR - TRAILING CANDIDATES TO - THROUGH BEFORE SUPER TUESDAY ON - MARCH 3, WHEN A THIRD OF ALL - DEMOCRATIC DELEGATES ARE UP FOR - GRABS.IC - FORMERPRESIDENT JOSEPH - BIDEN: I'M THE ONLY ONE ON THIS - STAGE THAT HAS ACTUALLY GOT

- ANYTHING DONE ON HEALTH CARE. - AMNA NAWAZ: DEBATE BATTLE LINES - WERE DRAWN ONCE AGAIN HEALTH - CARE - SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN: IT'S NOT - A PLAN. - IT'S POWERPOINT. - AND AMY'S PLAN IS EVEN LESS. - IT IS LIKE A POST-IT NOTE -- - INSERT PLAN HERE. N - AMAZ: AND ON IMMIGRATION, - OF PARTICULAR INTEREST IN - NEVADA, WHERE LATINOS MAKE UP - ONE IN EVERY FIVE DEMOCRATIC - VOTERS. - HERE'S MAYOR BUTTIGIEG - ADDRESSING SENATOR KLOBUCHAR.IF - PETE BUTTIGIEGOU ARE GOING - TO RUN BASED ON YOUR RECORD OF - VOTING IN WASHINGTON, THEN YOU - HAVE TO OWN THOSE VO WS, - ESPECIALLYN IT COMES TO - IMMIGRATION. - [APPLAUSE] - SEN. AMY KLOBUCHAR: I WISH - PETE. NE WAS AS PERFECOU, - YOU HAVE MEMORIZED A BUNCH OF - TALKING POINTS AND A BUNCH OF - THINGS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU ONE - THING. - [ALAUSE] - SEN. AMY KLOBUCHAR: WHAT THE - PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY WAN - GREY WANT A LEADER THAT HAS THE - HEART FOR THE IMTS OF THIS - COUNTRY. - AND THAT IS ME. - AMNA NAWAZ: AT THE END OF A - BRUISING NIGHT, A CLEAR SIGN - THAT NO ONE IS READY YET TO HAS. - UP THEIR GLO - CHUCK TODD: YES OR NO, LEADING - PERSON WITH THE DELEGATES, - SHOULD THEY BE THE NOMINEE OR - NOT? - FORMER VICE PRESIDT JOSEPH - BIDEN: NO, LET THE PROCESS WORK - IT

- AMNA NAWAZ: IF NO CANDIDATE HAS - THE MAJORITY OF DELEGATES BY - CONVENTION-TIME IN JULY, ONLY - SANDERS SAID THE DELEGATE LEADER - SHOULD BECOME THE NOMINEE. - AFTER TRADING BRUTAL BLOWS IN - LASTF IGHT'S DEBATE, SOMEE - CANDIDATES ARE BACK OUT TODAY - WORKING THE CROWDS, FIGHTING FOR - THOSE LAST-MINUTE CAUCUS - COMMITMENTS, LIKE SENATOR - ELIZABETH WARREN HERE. - THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES WILLIN - FACE OFF AN ANOTHER DEBATE - NEXT TUESDAY IN SOUTH CAROLINA. - JUDY WOODRUFF: THANK YOU, AMNA. - AFTER LAST NIGHT DRAMA FILLED - DEBATE IN LAS VEGAS, WHERE DOES - THIS ON PRETTY BOLD RACE FOR THE - NOMINATION STAND? - MICHAEL MEEHAN WORKED ON THEN - SENATOR JOHN KERRY'S 20AL - PRESIDENID. IAN SAMS MOST - RECENTLY SERVED DURING THIS - CURRENT ELECTION CYCLE AS THE - CAMPAIGN PRESE SECRETARY FOR - TOR KAMALA HARRIS. - AND MATTHEW DOWD, HE WAS THE - CHIEF STRATEGIST ON PRESIDENT - GEORGE W. BU'S REELECTION - CAMPAIGN IN 2004. - HE IS NOW A POLITICAL ANALYST - FOR ABC NEWS. - AND WE WELCOME ALL OF YOU TO THE - "NEWSHOUR." - THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. - LET'S START OUT WITH CONSIDERING - THIS DEBATE. W

- AT WE HAVE HAD A DAY TO - LET IT SINK IN, HOW DOES IT - CHANGE THE SHAPE OF THIS - CONTEST? - IAN SAMS? - IAN SAMS: I THINK THAT, FIRST OF - ALL, THE BIGGEST ANSWER THE - BIGGEST QUESTION THAT WAS - OUTSTANDING WAS, HOW MANY PEOPLE - WATCD IT? - AND WE SAW THAT IT WAS UPWDS - OF 20 MILLION AMERICANS. LO - THAT'S OF PEOPLE. - SO, THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT THE - DEBATE WILL HAVE SOME SORT OF - LASTING IMPACT ON THIS RACE. - NOW, WE ARE REALLY CLOSE TO - VOTING, WHICI THINK IS WHY YOU - GO AFTER ONE ANOTHER LASTLING - NIGHT AND REALLYRAW A STARK - CONTRAST BETWEEN EACH OTHER, - BECAUSE THE PRESSURE IS ON.O - YOU HAVEKE MOVES RIGHT NOW - IF YOU WANT TO WIN, ESPECIALLY - WITH BERNIE SANDERS HAVING A - PRETTY COMMANDING POSITION ATOP - OFSOHE FIELD. - AN THINK WHAT WE SAW LAST - NIGHT WAS MAYOR BLOOMBERG - PROBABLY GOT BROUGHT DOWN A PEG - BY ESPECIALLY ELIZABETH WARREN'T - PRETTY SEARINGKS ON HIS - HISTORY AND RECORD. - BUT WHETHER OR NOT ALL THE - R.NEFIT GOES TO HER, I THINK, IS - STILL UP IN THE - JUDY WOODRUFF: MICHAEL MEEHAN, - S AT CHANGES, IF ANYTHING, - RESULT OF LAST NIGHT, DO YOU - THINK? - MICHAEL MEEHAN: WELL, I THINK - MICHAEL BLOOERG GETTING ON A - AGE WAS SORT OF THE BIG NEWS. - AND I THINK THE FACT IOWA AND - NEW HAMPSHIRE DIDN'T ACTUALLY DO

- THE WINNOWING PROCESS IN THE WAY - THAT TY TYPICALLY HAVE DONE - OVER THE LAST 50 YEARS, AND SO - THE PRESSURE IS HIGH. - RIT NOW. E VOTING IN NEVADA - AND THEN YOU HAVE SOUTH - CAROLINA. - BUT I THINK BLOOMBERG IS LOOKING - FOR A DO-OVER, FORD URE. - HE SHOS RUST. - HE TOTALLY HAS ANOTHER CHANCE. - THE GOODEWS FOR HIM, THE - CALENDAR WORKS ITS BACK ON THE - DEBATE STAGE TNOSDAY. - HE DOEHAVE TO SIMMER FOR - WEEKS AND WEEKS BEFORE HE HAS TO - DO BETTER THAN HE HAS DONE. - :JU MATTHEW DOWD, HOW DO YOU - SEE THE RESULTS OF LAST NIGHT ON - IS RACE? - MATTHEW DOWD: TO ME, IT WAS THE - MOST SIGNIFICANT DEBATE WE HAVE - HAD THUS FAR BECAUMI OF THE - THAT WE'RE AT AND THE - NUMBER OF VIEWERS. - IF YOU THINK ABOUT THIER THE - TOTAL NUF PEOPLE THAT ARE - GOING TO VOTE IN THE DEMOCRATIC - PRIMARIES AND CAUCUSES IS RIGHT - AT AROUND 20 MILLION PEOPLE, HOW - MANY PEOPLE WATCH THAT. - SO, TO ME, IT'S THE MOST CRUCIAL - YOCALLY HAVE ONE THROUGH - FIVE, THE CANDIDATES THAT - BASICALLY FINISHED ONE THROUGH - FIVE IN HOW WELL THEGADID, THE - BETWEEN THEM IS MUCH SMALLER - THAN THE GAP BETWEEN THE NUMBER - FIVE CANDIDATE AND THE NUMBER - SIX CANDIDATE, WHICH WAS

- BLOOMBERG. - I THINK HIS PERFORMANCE WERE BAD - -- WAS BAD FOR HIM. - THERE'S LEVELS OF BAD. HIS WAS - THE WORST LEVEL OF BAD IN A - DEBATE FOR SOMEBODY THAT CAME - FROM THE MAYOR OF NEW YORK. AND - SO I TNK HE FINALLY CAME OUT - FROM UNDER THE AIR COVER OF HIS - AND I THINK TERS WANTED TO SEE - TELEVISION ADS. - AND I THINK VOTERS WANTED TO SEE - WHAT HE WAS LIKE. - WHO SAID, I DO NOT KNOW WHERE, - IF HE FALLS FROM THE POLLS FRO' - WHERE HE'AT TODAY, WHERE - THAT'S GOING TO GO TO. - WILL IT GO TO JOE BIDEN? - I THOUGHT IZABETH WARREN'S - PERFORMANCE WAS VERY WELL DONE. - THAT MAY GIVE HER ANOTHER SET OF - OXYGEN IN THIS RACE TO HINE HER - DO WELEVADA AND SOUTH - CAROLINA. - THIS RACE IS STILL FULL OF MANYD - TWISTSURNS. - JUDY: I WAS HOPING ALL THREE OF - YOU WOULD TELL ME EXACTLY WHERE - THIS STOOD, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE - IT IS STILL VERY MUCH IN FLUX. - MY QUESTION, IAN, HOW MUCH IN - FLUX IS IT? - BERNIE SANDERS IS LEADING IN A - SUGGESTED, BUT YOU DO HAVE THIS - BUNCHING OF OTHER CANDIDATES AND - THIS BIG QUESTION MARK, MIKE - BLOOMBERG AND ALL OF HIS MONEY. - SO, SOME PEOPLE ARE ALREADY

- ASKING, DOES BERNIE SANDERS - COULD HE POSSIBLY BE SO FAR - S EAD AT THIS POINT,T'RD - TO CATCH UP WITH HIM? - IAN SAMS:HE LEAD-IN PACKAGE - BEFORE WE STARTED HAVING TH - CONVERSATION HIT THE NAIL ON THE - HEAD WHEN THEY SHOWED VICE - PRESIDENT BIDEN'S COMMENT, WHICD - WAS MIRRY EVERY OTHER - CANDIDATE ON STAGE LAST NIGHT, - BESIDES BERNIE SANDERS, THAT - THEY MAY BE WILLING TO GO ALL - SE WAY TO THE CONVENTION, - LONG AS THERE ARE DELEGATES - COMING INTO THEIR CAMPAIGNS, AND - AS LONG AS THEIR CAMPAIGNS HAVE - ENOUGH CASH TO STAY AFLOAT, AND - NOT FOLD, WHALLY CHANGES - THE GA IN THIS. - BERNIE AT THIS POINT IS PROBABL - ON P GET SOMEWHERE BETWEEN - 30% AND 40% OF THE DELEGATES, - WHICH IS NOT A MAJORITY, OVER - THE NEXT LITTL IF NOTHING - CHANGES. - BERNIE IS AHEAD RIGHT NOW. - CANDIDATES ARE POC AWAYHER - SOME NUMBER OF DELEGATES, AND - NOT GETTING BLOWN OUT - COMPLETELY, WE COULD BE IN A - SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE ALL - WILLING TO GO TO THE CANVENTION - TRY TO FIGHT IT OUT THERE. - JUDY: MICHAEL MEEHAN, ARE AM I - HEARING SOME OF YOU SAY THAT - LITERALLY ANY ONE OF THESE SIX - NOMINATION?COULD MAKE IT - MICHAEL MEEHAN FIRST SURE. - WHILE BERNIE SANDERS HAS A LEAD,

- THE LEAD IS ONE DELEGAG . - THE BUTTIGMPAIGN WOULD - SAY, WE'RE TIED WITH YOU IN - DELEGATES AS WE SIT HERE THIS - FAR OUT. - I THINK ANY ONE OF THE SIX, FOR - VARIOUS REASONS. BLOOMBERG - DIDN'T HAVE A GREAT PERFORMANCE, - BUT HE DOESN'T LOSE MONEY - D THESE HE DOES NOT N - MONEY.WARREN HAD A GOOD NIGHT, E - WILL RAISE A LOT OF MONEY TODAY. - SANDERS HAS A HUGE ABILITY TO - CONTINUE TO FUND HIMSELF ALL THE - WAY THROUGH TO MILWA - THOSE KINDS OF DYNAMICS MEAN - THAT THE CAUCUSES THERE'S MORE - PEOPLE WHO ALREADY VOTED IN THIS - CAUCUS THAN VOTED LAST TE IN - 2016. - AND WE HAVE NOT EVEN REACHED THE - DATE OF THE CAUCUS YET. - THE IS A HIGH LEVEL OF ENERGY - AND EVERYBODY IS BUNCHED IN - BEEEN 25% AND 15%. - IT IS A SMALL AMOUNT OF - DELEGATES THEY GET DETERMINED. - DY MATTHEW DOWD, WIDE OPEN, - TO AN EXTENT, AND YET A LOT OF - ANGST IN THE AMONG ATS - ABOUT BERNIE SANDERS AND THE - FACT THAT HE'S SHOWN THE - STRENGTH THAT HE HAS. - MATTHEW DOWD: YES, IT IS - FASCINATING TO ME. - THERE IS ANGST ABOUT BERNIE

- SANDERS, BUT THERE'S ANGST ABOUT - JOE BIDEN, AND THERE'S ANGST - ABOUT ELIZABETH WARREN. - THERE IS ANGST ABOUT ALMOST - EVERY CANDIDATE IN THIS RACE. - RU HAVE GONE FROM WEAK - ONE FRONER, JOBIDEN, TO - NO FRONT-RUNNER, TO ANOTHER WEAK - FRONT-RUNNER IN THIS. - I'M NOT A PERSON THAT BUYS INTO - THIS IDEA -- THE IDEA OF - ELECTABILITY, I THINK, IS VERY - IF CEREAL. - IT MOVES AND SHAPES IN THE RACE. - I REMEMBER BILL CLINTON IN 1992 - WAS NOT ELECTABLE. - BARACK OBAMA WN'T THE MOST - ELECTABLE CANDIDATE IN 200 - DONALD TRUMP WAS CERTAINLY NOT - THE MOST ELECTABLE CANDI16TE IN - I THINK DECIDING TODAY WHO'S THE - MOST ELECTABLE OR WHO'S GOT THE - GREATEST VULNERABILITIES I - THINK EVERYBODY THOUGHT, WOW, - MICHAEL BLOOMBERG IS TO BE - POWERFUL. - THEN HE OWS UP AND DOES AWFUL. - EVERYBODY IS QUESTIONING THE - VULNERABILITIES THAT BERNIEAU - SANDERS HAS, B OF HIS - SELF-LABEL, HIS OWN LABELS ON - HIMSELF, BUT I DON'T THINK WE - ALLY KNOW WHERE THIS RACE IS - GOING TO GO AND WHO ISHE BEST - CANDIDATE YET TO BEAT DONALD - TRUMP.

- JUDY:AR YOU DO LOT OF - DISCUSSION, IAN SAMS, ABOUT THE - SO-CALLED DIVIDE AMO DEMOCRATS - OVER THE MORE LIBERAL DEMOCRATS - ARE IN THE BERNIE SANDERS CAMP, - OR THEY WERE IN ELIZABETH - WARREN, OR MAYBE THEY STILL ARE, - AND THEN THE MORE MODERATE - DEMOCRATS. - WHAT EXTENT IS EACH SIDE SAYING, - I AM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT YOUR - GUY? - IF I AM MODERATE, I AMOT GOING - SUPPORT BERNIE. - AND, VICE VERSA, IF I'M A BERNIE - SUPPORTER, I'M NOT GOING TO - SUPPORT ANYBODY ELSE OUT THERE. - IAN SAMS: I DON'T THINK THERE'S - THAT HIGH LEVEL OF DIVISION IN - THE PARTY. - I THINK THAT ALL THE CANDIDATES - SPECIFICALLY ARE SAYING, WELL, - WE WILL SUPPORT THE NOMINEE NO - MATTER WHAT, WE HAVE TO. - DONALD TRUMP IS AN EXISTENTIAL - THREAT TO THE COVETRY, AND WE - O GET HIM OUT OF THERE. - THE LONGER THIS GOES ON, IT JUST - DEPENDS ON THE TONE AND TENOR OF - THE RACE. - I THINK LAST NIGHT WAS SHARP, - BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IT WAS - CATASTROPHIC. - I THINK IT WAS PEOPLE POINTING - OUT DIFFERENCES WITH EACH OTHER - AND WHY CERTAIN OPPONENTS MIGHT - NOT MAKE THE BEST NOMINEE.

- RIGHT NOW YOU SEE MORE UNITY - AMONG THE PARTY AND AMONG THE - HACANDIDATESYOU DO DIVISION. - YOU THINK BACK TO 2008 OR 2004, - WHICH MATT AND MICHAEL WERE BOTH - A PART OF THAT CONTEST. - PRIMARIES WERE TOUGH AND SHARP, - BUT CAME TOGETHER AT THE END OF - THDAY. - JUDY: BUT, MICHAEL MEEHAN, YOU - D HEAR MICHAEL BLOOMBERG SAY - LAST NIGHT, IF BERNIE SANDERS IS - THE NOMINEE, HE'S GOING TO LOSE - TO DONALD TRUMP. - THAT WAS PRETTY DENITIVE. - MICHAEL MEEHAN: I THINK WE ALL - RUN THE LAST CAMPAIGN OV - AGAIN, AND DONALD TRUMP WON BY - 77,000 VOTES IN THREE STATES. - SO PEOPLE MAKE THE PREMISES OF - THEIR CAMPAIGNS ON THEIR ABILITY - TO TALK TO THOSE MIDWESTERN - STATES, PENNSYLVANIA, MICHIGAN, - WISCONSIN. - YOU FLIP 80,000 VOTES, SOMEONE - ELSE IS IN THE WHITE HOUSE. - DONALD TRUMP IS RUNNING THE SAME - INPLAY A - HE HAS NOT CHANGED HIS STRATEGY. - THE QUESTION IS WHO CAN TURN - , THOSE 80,000 PEOPLE IN THOSEAT - THREE ? - THAT IS WHY WE'RE FIGHTING OVER - SUCH A NARROW SLIVER HERE. - JUDY:LO WE ARING AT THE - POLLS FROM THOSE THREE STATES - AND SEEING SOME INTERESTING

- NUMBERS RIGHT NOW. - MATTHEW DOWD, AS SOMEBODY WHO - HAS BEEN HAS BEEN AT THE CENTER - OF A CAMPAIGN, IN E OTHER - PARTY, BUT WATCHING THE - DEMOCRATS VERY CLOSELY, HOW DO - YOU SEE TH PARTY COMING - TOGETHER EVENTUALLY, OR DO YOU - SEE THIS AS SOMETHING THAT COULD - BE REALLY UGLY RIGHT UP UNTIL - THE END? - MATTHEW DOWD: I REMEMBER VERY - WELL WHEN I WAS INVOLVED IN 2000 - WHEN BUSH AND MCCAIN RAN AGAINST - EACH OTHER. - TALK ABOUT A BITTER RACE. - THE PARTY CAME TOGETHER BECAUSE - THEY HAD A PRINCIPLE THAT THEY - WAOED TO GET DONE, WHICH IS - WIN THE RACE. - I THINK ONE OF THE BENEFITS THEA - DEMOCRATS HAVETHEY HAVE - NOT HAD IN A LONG TIME IS, THERE - IS A UNIFYING PRINCIPLE IN THE - DEMOATIC PARTY TODAY AMONG A - VOTERS, EVERY SINGLE VOTER, - THEY DO NOT WANT DONALD TRUMP TO - BE PRESIDENT FOR ANOTHER FOUR - YEARS. - SO I THINK, BY THEIME THE - CONVENTIONS COMES, THEY'RE GOING - TO HAVE TO IRON SOME THINGS OUT, - THEY'RE GOING TO WHVE TO WORK - OU'S THE BEST WAY TO GO IN - THIS, BECAUSE I THINK FOR SURE - WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO TH - CONVENTION WHERE NOBODY NUS THE - TOTAER OF DELEGATES WHEN - THEY WALK IN, BUT I THINK DONALD

- PARTY.WILL HELP THEM UNIFY THE - JUDY: IT'S EVERY REPORTER'S - DREAM TO GET TO A CONVENTION - WHERE THE RESULTS ARE A - SURPRISE. - OPERATIVE'S NIARE.D EVERY - [LAUGHTER] - JUDY: WHAT A STORY WE HAVE AND - SO IMPORTANT TO PAY CLOSE - ATTENTION. - IAN SAMS, MICHAEL MEEHAN, - MATTHEW DOWD, THANK YOU ALL. - ♪ JUDY: TONIGHT WE BEGIN A - SERIES INSIDE VENEZUELA, A - COUNTRY WITH POLITICAL, ECONOMIC - AND HUMANITARIAN ISIS. - VENEZUELA WANCONE OF THE - WEALTHIEST COUNTRIES IN THE - WORLD IN LARGE PART DUE TOSS ITS - E OIL RESERVES. - IN 1999 HO CHAVEZ BECAME - PRESIDENT AND USED THAT OIL - WEALTH TO CREATE A SOCIALIST - STATE, BUT SINCE HIS DEATH IN - 2013, UNDER HIS SUCCESSOR, - PRESIDENT NICOLAS MADURO

- VENEZUELA'COECONOMY HAS - APSED. - WITH SUPPORT FROM THE PULITZER - MARCIA BIGGS REPORRRESPONDENT - MARCIA BIGGS: THIS IS YOU WHEN - YOU WERE LITTLE. - OHMY GOSH. - 53-YEAR-OLD NELLY LARCO - REMEMBERS A VENEZUELA OF AN - EARLIER TIME, ONE FILLED WITH - BIRTHDAY PARTIES, CONFIRMATIONS, - AND CHRISTMAS PRESENTS. - GIRL: WOW. - NELLY LARCO (THROUGH - TRANSLATOR): W. - [LAUGHTER] - RCIA BIGGS: IT WAS A LAND OF - OPPORTUNITY FOR AN IMMIGRANT - LIKE HER. - SHE MOVED TO VENEZUELA FROM HER - NATIVE ECUADOR WHEN SHE WAS - STILL A TEENAGER, AND WORKED AS - A HOUSEKEEPER. - NELLY LARCO (THROUGH - TRANSLATOR): I SAY THIS WITH - HUGE PRIDE, BECAUSE I CAME HERE - WOEAING, AND THAT'S HOW ED - A LIVING, AND I FOUND A WAY TO - IMPROVE MYSELF. I' - A'M SO ATTACHED TO ANDO - THANKFUL TO VENEZUELA. - MARCIA BIGGS: THIS COUNTRY GAVE - HER A LIFE AND A FAMILY. - NELLY'S THREE - ABLE TO GO TO SCHOOL, AND HER - ELDEST, MARIELENA, BECAME A - LAWYER AND A PROFESSOR. - BU FOR YEARS, THEY HAVE BEEN - STRUGGLING TO GET BY, LIVING IN - ONE OFSUHE MANY SLUMS - OUNDING THE SPRAWLING - CAPITAL OF CARACAS.

- DO YOU HAVE RUNNING WATER? - NELLY LARCO (THROUGH - TRANSLATOR): NO. - MARCIA BIGGS: THERE'S NEVER - ENORGH WATER, ENOUGH PROPANE - COOKING, ENOUGH FOOD TO EAT. - FOR MORE THAN TWO DECADES, NELLY - HAS WATCHED HER ADOPTED COUNTRY - SLIP AWAY, AND, WITH IT, HER - HERM OF A BETTER LIFE F - FAMILY.NELLY LARCO (THROUGH - TRANSLATOR): I'M VERYRUSTRATED - AND VERY ANGRY TO THINK THAT, - BECAUSE OF A FEW PEOPLE, WE HAVE - LOSTENEZUELA. - MARCIA BIGGS: FOR HER, THE - DECLINE BEGAN WITH HUGO CHAVEZ, - THE FORMER SOLDIER WHO IN 1999 - BECAME PRESIDENT, AND IT HAS - CONTINUED UNDER HICOSUCCESSOR, - NIS MADURO. - SINCE 2013, THE COUNTRY HAS EN - IN FREALL BY NEARLY EVERY - AVAILABLE METRIC, A CRATERING - ECONOMY, SKYROCKETING TAOLENCE, - ING OIL PRODUCTION, A - CRIPPLING GAS SHORTAGE. - MILLIONS HAVE ALREADY FLED THE - COUNTRY, CREATING THE SECOND - LARGEST REFUGEE CRISIS IN THE - WORLD. - AND FOTHE MILLIONS WHO REMAIN, - INCLUDING MANY CHILDREN, HUNGER - HAS MADE THEM DESPERATE. - NELLY LARCO (THROUGH - TRANSLATOR): WHAT I NEVER

- IMAGINED IS THAT WE'D REACH THIS - EXTENT. - I NEVER IMAGINED THAT I'D SEE MY - PEOPLE IN VENEZUELA EATING F M - THE GARBAG - THAT INFURIATES ME. - THAT INFURIATES ME, BECAUSE THIS - IS A RICH COUNTRY. - MARCIA BIGGS: THIS TIME LAST M - YEAR, NELLY,IELENA AND MANY - OTHERS THOUGHT THAT ELA - WAS ON THE PRECIPICE OF CHANGE. - IN JANUARY, THEN-34-YEAR-OLD - JUAN GUAIDO, A CIVIL ENGINEER - TOO'D JUST BEEN ELECTEEAD - THE COUNTRY'S PARLIAMENT, WAS - DECLARED INTERIM PRESIDENT BY - MEMBERS OF THE OPPOSITION, AFTER - PRESIDENT MADURO WON A SECOND - TERM IN AN ELECTION WIDELY - CRITICIZED AS ILGITIMATE. - GUAIDO PROMISED NEW ELECTIONS, - AND NEARLY 60 COUNTRIES OUNC - THE WORLD, IDING THE U.S., - THREW THEIR SUPPORT BEHIND HIM, - AS DID THOUSANDS OF PROTESTERS - IN THE STREETS OF VENEZUELA, - INCLUDING NELLY AND MARIELENA. - NELLY LARCO (THROUGH - TRANSLATOR): WE'RE THE MAJORITY, - AND THAT'S WHY I KEEP FIGHTING. - THE TRUTH IS THAT MY HOPES ARE - ACTUALLY MORE IN G THAN - GUAIDO - BUT WE HAVE TO HELP HIM. - I FEEL THAT HE'S LIKE AN ANGEL - THAT GOD PUT HERE TO GET OUT OF - MARCIA BIGGS: MARISAYS SHE

- THOUGHT THE PROTESTS WOULD FORCE - MARIELENA CARABALL(THROUGH - TRANSLATOR): I SINCERELY THOUGHT - THAT TAKING TO THE STREETS WOULD - PUT PRESSURE ON MADURO TO LEAVE - THE PRESIDENCY, AND WE WOULD - ELECTIONS, WHICH IS WHAT WE - WANT. - MARCIA BIGGS: THEN ON APRIL 30 - CAME A CRITICAL MOMENT. C - GUAIDOALLED ON THE MILITARY TO - HELP HIM OVERTHROW MAD A - COUP. - JUAN GUAIDO (THROUGH - TRANSLATOR): WE'RE SPEAKING TO - THE ARMED FORCES, AND, TODAY, IT - IS CLEAR TT THE ARMED FORCES - ARE WITH THE PEOPLE OF VENEZUELA - AND NOT THE DICTATOR. - MARCIA BIGGS: THAT WAS THE CALL - BOTH NELLY AND MARIELENA HAD - BEEN WAIENNG FOR. - MARICARABALLO (THROUGH - TRANSLATOR): MY MOTHER WOKE ME - UP AND SAID: "DEAR, THE SOLDIERS - HAVE RISEN UP." - SUDDENLY, I WAS TOTALLY AWAKE, - AND I THOUGHT, THE MOMENT HAS - COME. - S FINALLY, THE MILITARY HAUND - THE NECESSARY COURAGE AND IT IS - WITH THE PEOPLE. - MARCIA BIGGS: BUT GUAIDO HAD - MISCALCULATED. - THE VAST MAJORITY ED LOYAL HIM. - TO MADURO, AND THEN THE PROTESTS - TURNED VIOLENT. - NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS MOVED ON - PROTESTERS, RAMMING THEM WITH - ARMORED VEHICLES AND OPENING - FIRE. - A YOUNG WOMAN FROM MARIELENA'S D - SCHOOLIED. - ANOTHER FRIEND FROM HER - IGHBORHOOD WAS WOUNDED. - FOR MARIELENA AND FOR THOUSANDS - OF OTHERS WHO HAD SPENT YEARS - WAITING FOR THIS MOMENT, IT WAS

- A BITTER DISAPPOINTMENT AND A - STARK REMINDER OF AT THEY - COULD LOSE. - MARIELENA CARABALLO (THROUGH - TRANSLATOR): THEN I SAID, THAT'S - IT. - WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? - TO BE KILLED YOURSELF AND LEAVE - YOUR FAMILY WITHOUT ANY HELP - BECAUSE THEY KILLED YOU? - MARCIA BIGGS: SO, YOU HAD ALL OF - THIS HOPE THAT THINGS WOULD - CHANGE. ID - DID JUAN GFAIL YOU? - MARIELENA CARABALLO (THROUGH - TRANSLATOR): YES, I DO THINK - JUAN GUAIDO FAILED. - AND I'M NOT SURE WHETHER IT WAS - INTENTIONAL, OR IT WAS BECAUSE - MAYBE, WELL, HE'S A HUMAN BEING, - TOO. - BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT ALL - VENEZUELANS HAVE PUT OUR FAITH - IN HIM. - MARCIA BIGGS: I MET JUAN GUAIDO - AT HIS OFFICE IN CARACAS, AND I - PUT THAT QUESTION TO HIM. - WE HAVE SPOKEN TO SOME - OPPOSITION SUPPORTERS, PEOPLE - WHO CAME OUT TO PRRYEST, WHO ARE - VERY FRUSTRATED BY THE - PROCESS AND BY YOU AND THE - PROGRESS. - DO YOU THINK YOU PROMISED TOO - MUCH, TOO SOON? - TRANSLATOR): CERTATHE - MANAGEMENT OF EXPECTATIONS IS - SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO MANAGE IN - VENEZUELA, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE - HAVE NO WATER, NO ELECTRICIT - STARVATION.ARE DYING OF

- SO IT'S NATURAL THAT WE FEEL - REUSTRATED FOR NOT HAVING - ACHIEVED CHANGE Y, WHEN WE - FEEL THAT WE HAVE THE STRENGTH, - THAT WE HAVE THE MAJORITY, THAT - WE COUNT ON INTERNATIONAL - SUPPORT. - SO, THE FIRST THING, AS A - AT THIS TIME, IS TO UNDERSTANDT - THE LEGITIMATE CLAIM OF OUR - PEOPLE AND DO WHAT'S NECESSARY - TO ADDRESS THOSE JUST CLAIMS OFL - VENES WHO NEED CHANGE IN - VENEZUELA TODAY. - ACHIEVES THAT CHANEMAINSAIDO - UNCLEAR. - WE WERE THERE LAST MONTH WHEN - NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS BLOCKE - HIM FROM ENTERING THE ONAL - ASSEMBLY TO BE REELECTED - SPEAKER, WHILE MADURO SUSIORTERS - ELECTED THEIR OWN SPEAKER - WITHOUT A FORMAL VOTE. - GUAIDO CAME BACK TWO DAYS LATER, - BROKE THROUGH AND WAS SWORN IN - BUT, SINCE THEN, HE'S BEEN - PHYSICALLY BLOCKED FROM ENTERING - THE ASSEMBLY TO CARRY OUT - PARLIAMENT'S BUSINESS. - TWO WEEKS LATER, HE SNUCK OUT OF - THE COUNTRY, EMBARKING ON A - WORLD TOUR TO SHORE UP SUPPORT - ABROAD. - PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: JOINING - US IN THE GALLY IS THE TRUE - AND LEGITIMATE PRESIDENT OF - VENEZUELA, JUAN GUAIDO.RC

- IA BIGGS: HE EVEN ATTENDED - THE STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS. - BUN,AFTER THAT WARM RECEPTIO - HE RETURNED HOME TO A COLD - REALITY. - AT THE AIRPORT, HE WAS MOBBED BY - PRESIDENT MADURO'S SUPPORTERS, A - REMINDER OF WHO REMAINS IN THE - PRESIDENTIAL PALACE AND INRO - L OF THE MILITARY. - AND IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS, - MADURO HAS SHOWN HE'S WILLING TO - ADAPT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. - HE'S ANNOUNCED NEW PARLIAMENTARY - ELECTIONS THIS YEAR,N AN - ATTEMPT TO CONSOLIDATE HIS HOLD - ON THE LEGISLATURE. - INONHE WAKE OF U.S. SANCTION - HIS GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING ON THE - STRUGGLING STATE-RUN OIL - INDUSTRY, HE'S INVITED RUSSIAN - O AND CHINESE COMPANIES INLP - RAMP UP PRODUCTION. - IN ANOTHER MAJOR DEPARTURE FROM - HUGO CHAVEZ, HE'S ALSO RELAXED - STRICT IMPORT AND EXPORT - CONTROLS, AND EVEN ALLOWED U.SHE - DOLLARS INTOOUNTRY. THAT'S - D TO A SMALL BOOM AMONG SOME - RESTAURANTS AND STORES IN CITIES - LIKE CARACAS. - A YEAR AGO, YOU WOULD'T HAVE - SEEN IN A SHOP LIKE THIS PRICES - LISTED IN DOLLARS. - THEY WERE OFFICIALLY PROHIBITED. - BUT, HERE, YOU'RE SEEING 75 - CENTS FOR A BAG OF RICE. - YOU'RE ALSO SEEING A LOT MORE

- IMPORTED FOOD, FOR THOSE WHO CAN - AFFORD IT. - AND YET MANY CANNOT. - AT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IN CARACAS, - WHERE RESIDENTS TYPICALLY - SUPPORT THE VERNMENT, WE FOUND - PEOPLE FED UP WITH THE ECONOMIC - SITUATION. - WOMAN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): - VENEZUELA WAS A BLESSED COUNTRY - THAT NOWADAYS IS TERRIBLY - MANAGED. - THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE SAY THEY - LOVE US. - THAT'EYS A LIE. - TH DON'T LOVE THE PEOPLE. - MAN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): IT'S - NOT LIKE BEFORE. - THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL. - THERE WAS ENOUGH MONEY. - BUT NOW IMAGINE HOW HARD THE - SITUATION IT IS. - MARCIA BIGGS: THERE, I MET - WILLIAM YAGUARAN, A POLITICAL - ORGAZER AT A UNIVERSITY IN - CARACAS AND A TRUE BELIEVER IN - CHAVEZ'S SOCIALIST REVOLUTION. - AT HIS HOME, HE SHOWED ME THE - FREE BOX OF FOOD THAT COMES - MONTHLY FROM THE GOVERNMENT. - CORN FLOUR. - FOR WILLIAM, SOCIAL PROGRAMS - LIKE THIS ONE WERE OF THE MANY - REASONS HE WAS FIRST DRAWN TO - CHAVEZ SO MANY YEARS AGO. - HWILLIAM YAGUARAN (THROUG - TRANSLATOR): HE DID WHAT HE SAID - HE WAS GOING TO DO, AND THAT'S - WHAT MADE HIM CONNECT WITH THE - POPULATION ANDHE YOUTH AT THAT - ME. AND THAT HOOKED ME TOO. - MARCIA BIGGS: IS MADURO DOING - WHAT HE SAID HE WOULD DO? - WILLIAM YAGUARAN (THROUGH - TRANSLATOR): HE TRIES, BUT THE

- IMRUCTURE DOESN'T HELP - THE PEOPLE AROUND HIM AREN'T - HELPING HIM. - MARCIA BIGGS: BUT ISN'T HE IN - CONTROL OF THE STRUCTURE? - WILLIAM YAGUARAN (THROUGH - 'ANSLATOR): WELL, NOW YOURE - ASKING A VERY DIFFICULT - QUESTION. - HE'S IN POWER, BUT THE PROBLEM - IS, HIS DECISIONS DON'T GET - EXECUTED.IN - MARCIA BIG ADDITIOTO - CORRUPTION AND MISMANAGEMENT, - WILLIAM ALSO BLAMES U.S. - SANCTIONS FOR HURTING THE - ECONOMY, AND SAYS THAT, - REGARDLESS OF WHO'S AT FAULT, HE - COULD NEVER BRING HIMSELF TO - SUPPORT THE OPPOSITION - DO YOU THINK THE OPPOSITION - CARES ABOUT THE POOR PEOPLE? - WILLIAM YAGUTRAN (THROUGH - SLATOR): NO, THEY HAVE NEVER - CARED. - THEY HAVE NEVER CARED FOR US AT - ALL. - MARCIA BIGGS: BACK AT ENLLY AND - MAR'S, THERE'S DEBATE OVER - HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. - MARIELENA IS TIRED OF HEARING - THE SAME THINGS FROM GUAIDO - ABOUT HOW THEY'RE MAKING - PROGRESS, DESPE WHAT SHE SEES.EN - MARICARABALLO (THROUGH - TRANSLATOR): TIME HAS PASSED, - AND NOTHING'S HAPPENED. - WE'RE STILL WAITING, AND WE'RE - STILL HEARING, WE' DOING WELL. - MARCIA BIGGS: MILLIONS HAVE - GIVEN UP AND ALREADY LEFT

- VENEZUELA, BUT MARIEAYS - SHE'D MI HER FAMILY TOO MUCH, - ESPECIALLY HER NIECE. - AND SHE'S AFRAID OF HAVING TO - START OVER FROM SCRATCH IN A NEW - COUNTRY. - HER MOTHER, NELLY, KNOWS T - WELL HOW HARD THAT CAN BE. - SO, FOR HER, THE CHOICE IS - SIMPLE, IF NOT EASY. - NELLY LARCO (THROUGH - TRANSLATOR): I'M INDEBTED TO - LAVENEZUELA, BECAUSE VENEZ - GAVE ME EVERYTHING. - IT'S GIVEN ME IT ALL -- A - FAMI, MY DAUGHTERS. - IT'S THE LEAST I CAN DO. - STAYING AT HOME, WATCHING WHAT'S - HAPPENING AND BLAMING E - BECAUSE HE TRIED BUT COULDN'T DO - IT? - NO. - I PREFER TO GO OUT AND FIGHT BY - THE SIDE OF THE PERSON TRYING TO - DO SOMETHI. - AND EVERY TIME GUAIDO CALLS ME, - OR WHOEVER IS THERE AT T TIME, - THEY CAN CALL ME TO GO OUT TO - THE STREETS TO SUPPORT - DEMOCRACY. I' - 'M GOING TO BE THERE. - I'M GOING TO GO OUT. - MARCIA BIGGS: FOR THE "PBS - NEWSHOUR," I'M MARCIA BIGGS IN - CARACAS. - ♪ - JUDY: STAY WITH US. - STILL TO COME ON THE "NEWSHOUR,"

- TOO YOUNG TO RETIRE BUT TOO OLD - TO FIND WELL-PAYING JOB. - WORKFORCE.E - MORE THAN HALF A MILLIONOM - AMERICANS AREESS ON ANY - GIVEN NIGHT, BUT ON THE WEST - COAST, THEWNROBLEM HAS G - WORSE IN RECENT YEARS. - AS JOHN YANG EXPLAINS, THAT IS - ESPECIALLY PRONOUNCED IN - CALIFORNIA. - JOHN YANG: JUDY, THEAL - GOVERNMENT SAYS MORE THAN A - QUARTER OF AMERICA'S HOMELESS - FE IN CALIFORNIA. - WHILE HOMELESSNEL IN MOST - STATES LAST YEAR, IN THE GOLDEN - STATE, IT ROSE 16%. - THE ISSUE WAS E SOLE TOPIC OF - DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR'VIN - NEWSOM'STATE OF THE STATE - ADDRESS. - GOV. GAVIN NEWSOM: LET'S CALL IT - WHAT IT IS. - IT'S A DISGRACE THAT THE RICHEST - STATE IN THE RICHESTATION, - CCEEDING ACROSS SO MANY - SECTORS, IS FALLING SO F - BEHIND TO PROPERLY HOUSE, HEAL, - AND HUMANELY TREAT SO MANY OF - ITS OWN PEOPLE. - THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA CAN NO - LONGER TREAT HOMELESSNESS AND - HOUSING INSECUTY AS SOMEONE'

- E'S PROBLEM, BURIED BELOW - OTHER PRIORITIES THAT ARE MUCH - SIER TO WIN OR BETTER SUITED - FOR SOUND BITES. - IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY. - AND IT MUST BE AT THE TOP OF OUR - AGENDA. - [APPLAUSE] - JOHN YANG: THE GOVERNOR LAID OUT - A SERIES OF PROPOSALS AND ASKED - LAWMAKERS TO WORK WITH HIM. - ANITA CHABRIA COVERS CALIFORNIA - STATE POLITICS AND POLICY FOR - THE LOS ANGELES TIMES. - SHE'S BASED IN SACRAMENTO, WHICH - IS WHERE SHE IS RIGHT NOW. - ANITA, THANKS SO MUCH FOR - JOINING US. - THIS IS NOT A FEW ISSUE FOR - CALIFORNIA. - WITH THIS WHEN HE WAS MAYOR OF - SAN FRANCISCO. - WHY NOW? - WHY IS HE SAYING THIS IS AT THE - TOP OF THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT - YEAR? - ANITA CHABRIA: THINK THERE'S A - COUPLE OF REASONS YOU'RE SEEING - IT HAPPEN SO VISIBLY RIGHT NOW. - ONE IS NOT JUST THAT WE HAVE THE - LARGEST HOMELESS POPULATION IN - THE COUNTRY. - UNSHELTERED POPULATHE LARGEST - SO WE HAVE MORE THAN 100,000LL - PEOPLE ACTLIVING ON OUR - SIDEWALKS, ON OUR STREET - CORNERS, IN OUR PARKS, IN PLACES

- WHERE THEY ARE VISIBLE TO OUR - VOTERS ANDUR RESIDENTS EVERY - DAY. - IT'S A PROBLEM THAT'S IN THE - RURAL AREAS, IT'S IN THE - SUBURBS, IT'S IN FRONT OF OUR - SCHOOLS AND OUR LIBRARIES AND - OUR GROCERY STORES. - AND SO, REALLY, YOU'RE SEEING A - GOVERNOR AND A LEGISLATURE THAT - CAN'T IGNORE IT BECAUSE IT IS - VISIBLE EVERY DAY. - JOHN YANG: AND HE'S GETTING - PRESSURE ON THIS FROM THE - PRESIDENT, THE PRESIDENT SAYING, - IFTHALIFORNIA CAN'T SOLV, - THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL. - ANITA CHABA: ABSOLUTELY. - HE'S GETTING POLITICAL PRESSURE - FROM MULTIPLE ANGLES. - SO PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS BEEN VERY - VOCAL ABOUT THE FACT THAT SOME - FEDERAL AC - OF DETAILS ON THAT, COULD HAPPEN - IF THE STATE DOESN'T MAKE - PROGRESS. - AND HE'S FACING IT NEWSOM IS - CING PRESSURFROM HIS O - CONSTITUENTS. - MORE THAN ABOUT A THIRD OF THES - STATE CONSIDIS THEIR TOP - PRIORITY AS AN ISSUE. - AND, INTERESTINGLY, A POLL THAT - JUST CAME OUT SHOWED THAT ALMOST - 40 PERCENT OF CALIFORNIANS FEAR - THAT THEY OR SOMEONE THEY COOW - D FALL INTO HOMELESSNESS. - SO, IT'S A REAL FEAR HERE THAT - THE ECONOMIC INEQUALITY, THE

- RISING HOUSING PRICES, THE - SYSTEMIC RACISM THAT WE'REOU - ADDRESSING TOUT THE - COUNTRY ARE ALL THINGS THAT ARE - INCREASING HOMELESSNESS FOR - AVERAGE PEOPLE. - JOHN YANG: YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUL - YOU JUST NOWD ABOUT SOME - OF THE PRESSURES THAT ARE ADDING - TO THIS PROBLEM. TH - WHAT IGOVERNOR PROPOSING? - ANITA CHABRIA: THE GOVERNOR IS - PROPOSIN - MOST RECENTLY, HE CAME UP WITH - $750 MILLION THAT HE'D LIKE TO - PUT TOWARDS IT AS ONE-TIME - FUNDING KIND OF IMMEDIATELY. - HE'S ASKING THE LEGISLATURE TO - FAST-TCK THAT MONEY. - IT WOULD GO TOWARDS RENTAL - ASSISTANCE. - IT WOULD GO TOWARDS STABILIZING - BOARD-AND-CARE HOMES, WHICH ARE - HELP PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES OR - MENTAL ILLNESS HAVE SHELTER AND - CARE. - IT WOULD GO TOWARDS SOME - AFFORDABLE HOUSING THINGS. - HE'S ALSO ASKING THE ATE TO - STREAMLINE HOW WE CAN PLACE WE - CAN FORCE PEOPLE TO HAVE MENTAL - ALTH TREATMENT, HOW WE CAN - PLACE THEM IN CONSERVATORSHIPS. - AND HE'S ASKING FOR SOME MONEY - FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS WELL. - ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING - THAT IS THE BIG TOPIC I - THE STATE RIGHT NOW IS

- ACCOUNTABILITY. - THE GOVERNOR IS ASKING FOR - ACCOUNTABILITY. - WE HAVE SPENT $1.5 BILLIONR - ALLOCATED $1.5 BILLION OVER THE - PAST COUPLE YEARS TO ADDRESS - HOMELESSNESS, WHERE WE HAVEN'T - REALLY TRACKED THAT MONEY VERY - WELL OSEEN WHAT THE RESULTS - ARE FROM IT. - SO THERE'S A REAL BIG PUSH NOW - TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP TRACK - OF THE MONEY WE'RE SPENDING AND - MAKE SURE IT SHOWS RESULTS. - JOHN YANG: YOU TALKED ABOUT - TALKING ABOUT ORNEY, THE - GOVEALLED FOR A DEDICATED, - SUSTAINED REVENUE STREAM. - IT SOUNDS LIKE A NEW TAX. - IT COULD BE. - CONCERN IN CALIFORATH BIG - PEOPLE WILL SUPPORT NEW TAXES TO - ADDRESS IT? - ANITA CHABRIA: I THINK THAT'S - GOING TO BE THE BIG QUESTION. - SO, ORIGINALLY, THE GOVERNOR - DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE ONGOING - FUNDING, PRECISELY FTO THAT - REASONOT PUT ANOTHER - BURDEN ON THE GENERAL FUND AND - TO NOT HAVE TO GO AFTER TAXES. - SO, HE HAD ORIGINALLY PUSHED FOR - ONE-TIME FUNDING OF $750 - MILLION. - AND YOU SAW A LOT OF PUSHBACK - FROM THE GROUPS THAT ARE

- LETUALLY DOING HOMELESS WORK AND - FROM A LOT OF THSLATORS, - SAYING, NO, WE SIMPLY CAN'T FIX - THIS WITH ONE SHOT OF MONEY. - AND SO NOW THE QUESTION DOES - BECOME, WHAT IS THE APPETITE FOR - PEOPLE TO BE TAXED ON - ONE IDEA THAT HAS BEEN FLOATED - IS, WE HAVE A MILLIONAIRES TAX - HERE THAT PAYS FOR MENTAL HEALTH - SERVICES, AND PERHAPS EXTENDING - THATAX, INCREASING IT ON OUR - WEALTHIEST RESIDENTS. - BUT, REALLY, THAT'S GOING TO BE - THE DEBATE COMING UP FOR THE - NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS IS, IF YOU - PAY FOR IT ONGOING, HOOU - PAY FOR IT? - JOHN YANG: HOW MUCH SU TORT IS - THERE LEGISLATUREHOW - MUCH SUPPORT IS THERE AMONG THE - VOTERS FOR THE OTHER THINGS HE - TALKED ABOUT IN HIS SPEECH? - ANITA CHABRIA: THERE IS - TREMENDOUS SPORT FOR ACTION. - SO WHAT THAT ACTION IS, I THINK - PEOPLE JUST WANT TO SEE RESULTSP - ANOTHER RECEL THAT CAME - OUT SAID THAT MORE THAN 50% OF - PEOPLE ARE IN SUPPORT OF H - REMOVIELESS ENCAMPMENTS - FROM PUBLIC SPACE. - TH, THERE'S REAL DESIRE TO SEE - PEOPLE MOVED FRO - UNSHELTERED SITUATION INTO - SHELTERS AND PERMANENT HOUSING. - I JUST THINK IT'S HOW WE DO - THAT.

- THE DEVIL IS GOING TO BE IN THET - DETAILS MS OF PUBLIC - SUPPORT. - THE FACT IS, IS, WE DON'T HAVE - ENOUGH SHELTERS. - WE HAVE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH - AFFORDABLE HOUSING. - SO THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO IN - THE VERY, VERY IMMEDIATE SENSE - TO GET PEOPLE INTO PERMANENT - HOUSING, BECAUSE IISDOESN'T - SO WE'RE AT THIS STRANGE POINT - WHERE WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT - WE'RE DOING SOMETHING IN THE - SHORT TERM, WHILE REALLY LOOKING - TOWARD THOSE LONTERM - LUTIONS, BECAUSE IT'S A - PROBLEM THAT ULTIMATELY YOU NEED - A HOUSE TO SOLVE. - AND WE DON'T HAVE THE HOUSES. - JOHN YANG: ANITA CHABRIA OF THE - THANK YOU VERY MUCIN SACRAMENTO, - ANITA CHABRIA: THANK YOU. - ♪ - JUDY: MANYAY AMERICANS THEY - FOCUS ON SAVING FOR RETIREMENT - WHEN THEY REACHED THEIR 50'S, - BUT AT HAPPENS IF YOU LOSE - YOUR JOB AT THAT AGE? - OUR ECONOMICS CORRESPONDENT, - PAUL SOLMAN, AND HIS PRODUCER, - DIANE LINCOLN ESTES, LOOK AT - THAT CHALLENGE AS PART OF OUEN - MAKING SERIES UNFINISHED - BUSINESS. - PAUL SOLMAN: EVERY MORNING, - 59-YEAR-OLD JAYE CRIST LEAVES

- HIS HOME IN LANCASTER COUNTY, - PENNSYLVANIA, AND DRIVES TO WORK - AT A LOCAL PRINT SHOP. - JAYE CRIST: I'M A FULFILLMENT - ASSOCIATE FULFILLING INDIVIDUAL - ORDERS, AND THEN MAKING SURE - THAT ALL THE PROTECT THAT IS - PRAND NEEDS TO BE - DISTRIBUTED LOCALLY IS - DELIVERED, SO, LIKE DELIVERY - DRIVER. - PAUL SOLMAN: CRIST SPENT HIS - CAREER IN A HIGHER ECHELON OF - THE PRINTING INDUSTRY THAN THIS. - FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS, CRIST WAS A - MANAGER AT PRINTING GIANT RR - DONNELLE - JAYE CRIST: I HAVE ALWAYS - SUPERVISED, ALWAYS MANAGED. - AND THERE WAS PART OF ME, LIKE, - THIS I WILL BE ONE OF THOSE - PAUL SOLMAN: NO SUCH LUCK. - HE WAS LAID OFF IN 2016, HIS - PLANS DERAILED WHEN THE FIRM - REORGANIZED. - ECONOMIST RICHARD JOHNSON'S WORK - HAS SHOWN TH CRIST IS FAR FROM - ALONE. - RIARD JOHNSON: WE FOUND TH - MORE THAN HALF, 56%, OF WORKERS - EXPERIENCE AN INVOLUNTARY - EMPLOYER-RELATED JOB SEPARATION - AFTER AGE 50. - PAUL SOLMAN: CRIST, WHO'D MADE - $100,000 A YEAR, BEGAN LOOKING - FOR A COMPARABLE JOB. - BUT HE SOON REALIZED -- - JAYE CRIST: WHERE I HABEEN - AFTER ALL THOSE YEARS, WITH

- SALARY AND BENEFITS AND THINGS, - WAS NOT WHAT I WAS GOING TO GET - IF I STAYED HERE. - BUT ALSO, AT THE SAME TIME, I'MT - LOOKINI STILL HAD KIDS IN - SCHOOL. - I HAD BOUGHT A HOUSE, ALL THE - THINGS THAT KIND OF HOLD YOU TO - A PLACE. - PAUL SOLMAN: CRIST IS A CASE IN - POINT OF WHAT, IN OUR OSTENSIBLY - BOOMING ECONOMY, SO MANY WORKERS - IN THEIR 50'S AND DER FACE - THESE DAYS, SAYS PROFESSOR - TERESA GHI GRDUCCI. - TERELARDUCCI: THEY'RE LESS - MOBILE. - OLDER WORKERS ARE STICKY TO - THEIR GEOGRAPHICAL PLACE. - THEY HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH - PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. - THEY HAVE A HOUSE, FOR ALL THE - REASONS THAT WE ALL KNOW. - AND SO THEY CAN'T O GET A - BETTER JOB. - PAUL SOLMAN: CRIST ALSO FACED - ANOTHER HURDLE SHARED WITH - AMERICANS TURNING HIS AGE, 59, - 400 OF US EVERY SINGLE MINUTE. - JAYERIST: A LOT OF COMPANIES - DON'T WANT TO HIRE SOMEBODY - WHO'S 50-PLUS AND NEEDS - KNOW, HAS A SALARY EXPECTATION - THAT'S ABOVE WHAT THEY'RE - WILLING TO PAY. - SO THEY CAN EASILY SAY IT'S

- BECAUSE OF SALARY OR WAGE. - PAUL SOLMAN: CRIST ONLY FOUNDJO - THE AT LOCAL H&H PRINTIN - AFTER ABOUT A YEAR OF LOOKING. - JAYE CRIST: HAD TO TAKE A HECK - OF A CUT IN PAY, BUT I WAS HAPPY - ABOUT IT. - IT'S HOURLY. - IT'S ABOUT $40,000 A YEAR. - PAUL SOLMAN: THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL, - SAYS RICHARD JOHON. - RICHARD JOHNSON: ALMOST ALL - WORKERS WHO LOSE A JOB AT OLDER - AGES END UP MAKING MUCH LESS ONH - NEW JOB THAN THEY DID ON THE - OLD JOB. - WE FOUND THAT ONLY 10% OF PEOPLE - EARNED AS MUCH ON THE NEW JOB AS - ON THE OLD JOB, AND, ON AVERAGE, - THEY TENDED TO EARN ONLY ABOUT - HALF AS MUCH. - PAUL SOLMAN: CRIST'S PRINTING - JOB DOESN'T Y ENOUGH, SO HE - ALSO WORKS NIGHTS, FROM 7:30 TO - 2:00 A.M., AT PLANET FITNESS FOR - JAYE CRIST: IF IT'S YOUR FRONT - COUNTER SERVICE, AND YOU'RE - CHECKING PEOPLE IN, AND YOU'RE - THEM WITH THEIR MEMBERSHIPS. NG - SO IT'S ABOUT - FOUR-AND-A-HALF-HOURS OF SLEEP - DURING THE WEEK THAT I'M - GETTING. - PAUL SOLMAN: HALF-A-NIGHT'S - SLEEP, AND THEN BACK TO H&H - PRINTING. - JAYE CRIST: IF I WANTED TO LAY - DOWN RIGHT NOW AND FALL ASLEEP,A - IT WOULD B. - PAUL SOLMAN: BUT HE CAN'T, NOT

- EVEN ON SUNDAYS, WHEN CRIST - HEADS TO A THIRD JOB AT A LOCAL - BREWERY. - YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF CASH - FOR TIPS, BECAUSE IT'S JUST A - MINIMUM WAGE JOB OTHERWISE, - BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE A LITTLE - EXTRA MONEY, AND YOU'RE NOT - WAITING, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN - PAYCHECKS, AND HAVING TO MANAGE - ALL OF THAT. - PAUL SOLMAN: WITH THREE JOBS, - PLUS A $14,000-A-YEAR PENSION - FROM RR DONNELLY, CRIST STILL - BRINGS IN BARELY 70% OF S - PREVIOUS INCOME. - JAYE CRIST: CAN I MANAGE TO - CONTINUE TO WORK THIS NY - HOURS, THESE MANY THIS MANY - JOBS? - MY MIND SAYS I CAN, I WILL, I - HAVE TO. - IF I START THINKING I'T OR - IT'S TOO HARD, THEN, MENTALLY, I - DON'N' I WOULDN'T YOU WO'T - BE ABLE TO MANAGE IT. - SO, SO LONG AS I'M, YOU KNOW - STAY HEALTHY AND CAN M WAGE IT, - AND L HAVE TO. - PAUL SOLMAN: CRIST'S YOUNGER - DAUGHTER IS IN COLLEGE.

- HIS WIFE'S DEPRESSION AND - ANXIETY HAVE WORSENED SINCE HIS - LAYOFF, PREVENTING HER FROM - JAYE CRIST: I SEE MY WIFE AND - HER YOU KNOW, THE DEPRESSIONAL - AND THE PHYSHINGS THAT - SHE'S GONE THROUGH. - SO THERE'S THATART OF IT, TOO, - JUST THE ECONOMICS OF, YOU KNOW, - CARE, MEDICINE THESE DAYS IS - JUST IT'S OUTRAGEOUS. - IT'S LIKE WE'RE YOU SO, I TRY - THAT ALMOST WOULD PUT YOU OVERSE - THE EDGE. - YOU JUST DO WHATEVER YOU GOT TO - DO TO KEEP EVERYTHING ELSE - AFLOAT. M - PAUL SOLMAN: SY OLDER - WORKERS ARE STRUGGLING TO DO - JUST THAT, SAYS GHILARDUCCI. - RESA GHILARDUCCI: WHEN Y - LOOK AT REAL LIVES, AND YOU SEE - THE TURMOIL IN - BETWEEN, LET'S SAY, 59 TO 63, - AND THEIR HEALTH, THERE'S A LOT - OF SHOCKS THAT ARE GOING ON WITH - THEIR SPOUSE AND WITH - THEMSELVES, BECAUSE THEY'RE - INTERDEPENDENT - PAUL SOLMAN: WHICH RAISES THE

- STAKES FOR WORKERS LIKE JAYE - CRIST TO STAY HEALTHY. - JAYE CRIST: I WAS UNLOADING OFF - OF ONE OF THE TRUCKS AND FELL - ONTO MY SHOULDER AND BACK. - THANK GOD I DIDN'T BREAK - ANYTHING, I DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, - TET ANYTHING, I DIDN'T - ANYTHING. - I DIDN'T LOSE ANY DAYS OF WORK. - AND IT WASN'T YOU KNOW IT WAS - I WAS JUST LUCKY AS HELL. - AND THEN I THOUGHT, MAN, THAT'S - ALL IT WOULD'VE TAKEN. - PAUL SOLMAN: TRADITIONAL - RETIREMENT, AS FOR SO MANY - ONCE-SECURE OLDER AMERICANS, IS - OUT OF THE QUESTION.YE - RIST: I PRETTY MUCH BLEW - THROUGH ALL OF THE 401(K) STUFF - I HAD. - SO, AT THIS POINT, HERE'S, - THERE'S LIKE REALLY NO SAVINGS. - I MEAN, THIS THE HOUSE, AND - STILL PAYING A MORTGAGE ON IT IS - THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. - IT'S FRUSTRATING YOU KNOW, - THE THINGS YOU KIND OF WERE TOLD - UP YOU NEEDED TO D KNOW, GROWING - STAY AT A JOB, WORK, LEARN, YOU - KNOW, BE HELPFUL, GET - PR.OTIONS, DO RIGHT BY PEOP - AND THEN YOU FIND YOURSELF AT

- TH POINT IN YOUR CAREER, LIKE, - GOING, TT DOESN'T MEAN - [BEEP]. - PAUL SOLMAN: CRIST NOW - UNDERSTANDS WHAT HE DIDN'T WHEN - HE WAS IN NAGER'S SEAT. - JAYE CRIST: I HAD TO LAY OFF AN - ENTIRE FAMILY, A HUSBAND, AND - WIFE AND DAUGHTER. - AND I PRIOR TO THAT, I KEYO - TELLING THEMGUYS NEED TO - TRY TO DO SOMETHING. - YOU NEED TO TRY TO FIND - SOMETHING. - NOW I FIND MYSELF IN THAT - SITUATION, LIKE, GOING, ATAT'S - ASN'T REALLY HELPFUL TO BE - ABLE TO SAY THOSE THINGS, - BECAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST GO OUT, - FIND ANOTHER JOB. - OFF. WAS THE GUY WHO LAID THEM - AND AT LEAST I'M NOT THAT - [BEEP] ANYMORE. - PAUL SOLMAN: NO, HE'S NOT. - JAYE CRIST WORKS MORE, IS PAID - LESS. - AND NOW THAT A THIRD OF THE WORK - FORCE IS 50-PLUS, THERE FIGURE M - TO BE MAE LIKE HIM. - FOR THE "PBS NEWSHOUR," THIS IS - PAUL SOLMAN. - ♪ - JUDY: A LOT TO THINK ABOUT. - THATS THE "NEWSHOUR" FOR - TONIGHT. - I AM JUDY WOODRUFF.

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