Rock School; I Wrote An AI Song

Adams, Adam Lee, Adamowski, Buehler, Burns, Burns, Burns. Skulls, I fall in love, I've got a fan, so paid, I'm a teacher. Hey Joe, where you going with that mic in your hand? It's time for school, rock school, with your hosts Dr. Joe Burns. Says here the complaints by the majors that Sony Music Group, RIAA, Water Music Group, and Universal Music Group, by the way, make no mistake, this is a huge lawsuit. They are coming after these people hard. Yes. This is the Rock School Radio Show here on the Rock School Radio Network. Brought to you

in part by the CPB, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. I'm Joe Burns, who are you? Tammy Burns. Now look, I'm going to start this and some of you are going to go, oh no, please, not another show about AI and lawsuits and copyright. Yes, but it is something quite different. Every time I would do one of those shows and I would do something about the idea of, hey, this is copyright, this is where it's going to go wrong with AI and blah, blah, blah. I always said to myself, why don't you, Joe Burns, try making some songs using AI? And so I did, and I'm going to play a few of them for you today, and you were just going to be blown out the back door. How stupid easy it is. I did it in front of you and our daughter last night. Oh my gosh. It was so easy. You know what? What's that? It has changed my mind about everything I'm hearing now. I just don't buy that people are writing a lot of these great songs. I think you have to prove

to me that the song that I'm hearing is done by musicians. And it was just too easy. But look, let's start with this to begin with. There is an artist called Metro Bowman, and he has a song called BBL Drizzy. And the song was used to do a diss against drag. Isn't that fun listening to a 59 -year -old man use young people's... Play that again? It's a diss. They're doing the diss, Tammy. There's this diss that they're doing. And the lawsuits have flooded in. By the way, you want to sound really cool in front of your young kids. BBL means Brazilian butt lift. Oh. It's BBL Drizzy. D -R -I -Z -Z -Y. So BBL means Brazilian butt lift. It's Kim Kardashian, Torres. And then Drizzy has kind of a double meaning. Drizzy is kind of a nickname for Drake. But from the Urban Dictionary, if you say somebody is Drizzy, it usually means they're impaired, weed, alcohol, something like that. And they're screwing up.

Oh. So the guy's drunk. He's bumping into walls. Man, that fell as Drizzy. That's really what it means. I like it. But it also, in a way, talks directly to Drake, which is who the diss track was. Again, once again, this. Yeah. AI firms. Suno and Yudio. I actually went on Facebook and YouTube to find somebody saying the word, because UDIO could have been Ajá, Odibe, Ajá. Yudio is how I saw people saying it. Suno is the one I used, though. Why? Because I found a website that said, here's a comparison between the two of them. Suno makes better music. Okay. That's the one Joe will sign up for. They are both being sued by the Recording Industry Association of America, the RIAA. And then Sony Music, Warner Music Group, and Universal Music Group over alleged copyright infringement. You have to say alleged. I know they did it. This Metro Bowman did it. The Suno and the Yudio people did it. But until I tell my students this all the time.

Until the judge's gavel falls. Right. They are alleged. I don't care if you watch them shoot the person dead. Alleged. So when you're watching TV and you're like, I saw the guy do it. Doesn't matter. That's the word. Now look, this is huge, huge, make no mistake. This was, and it was only a matter of time before all the majors. And these are the majors got together and decided where can we point the big guns. And this is where they went. Yudio, or audio, some people said, created BBL Drizzy, which then sampled multiple. And I don't know how to do it, but apparently you can reverse AI it. And it will tell you all of the songs that it used. And later in the show, I actually have this list. Well, look, let me play BBL Drizzy for you. It's exactly what you think. And I will, you know, I got to bleep it because it curses a few times. Does it? But when it's over, we're going to take a

break, maybe two. And I'm going to play for you the songs that I wrote last night. And by writing them, believe me, I am overstating it. So here you go. BBL Drizzy will talk a little bit more about the lawsuit and what I think is going to happen with it. But the big thing today is, let me tell you how to write music kids. I've been playing guitar since I was 10 years old. I play seven different instruments. Who cares? I gave this thing 200 words and it wrote songs. Oh, we. BBL Drizzy here in Rock School. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. I'll take a little flicker. I'll take a little ninja. Don't act like you don't know me. These amdes are the trophy. Maybe it ain't nothing that's big. Got a best BBL and it's big. This can't go make you sure. I know you've seen it slow up. As BBL Drizzy.

BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. I'll take a little flicker. I'll take a little ninja. Don't act like you don't know me. These amdes are the trophy. Maybe it ain't nothing that's big. Got a best BBL and it's big. This can't go make you sure. I know you've seen it slow up. As BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. Don't act like you don't know me. This can't go make you sure. I know

you've seen it slow up. As BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. I'll take a little flicker. I'll take a little ninja. Don't act like you don't know me. These amdes are the trophy. Maybe it ain't nothing that's big. Got a best BBL and it's big. This can't go make you sure. I know you've seen it slow up. As BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. Don't act like you don't know me. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. I know you've seen it slow

up. As BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. BBL Drizzy. It's a hit, isn't it? It is, totally. Now, I think I got the correct one. Because according to my daughter, there are multiple versions of it. And the thing is, you know, who cares? Literally. Who cares? Because it took me nothing. You guys, you and my daughter were watching a movie last night that I could have cared less about. And when I created a song, you yelled from the other room, what is that? And I came back and I said, watch this. And we wrote dumb words and it created a song. So, look, I may take the next... Wait, wait, hang on a second. Go ahead. That sounded like Motown and early Jackson's. Oh, BBL Drizzy. Yes, absolutely. I could easily have seen that being played on Soul Train in 1978. Oh, I love it. Yeah, I agree with you. This is where it's starting to get concerning. That we like it? Yes. I did more like it.

I know. Absolutely. What is wrong with me? I don't know. But look, here's where we are. So, I'm writing all this stuff down and I finally just said to myself, look, Joe, just break the bank. Go sign up for one of these things. I signed up for soon. Why? Because some website told me that it was great. When I got in, I didn't buy the whole big package. I just signed up with one of my Google accounts. And it said, please enter up to 200 words. So, I put in some words and I used the words Van Halen and it stopped me. As soon as I wrote the words, it stopped me and it said, please talk about music in terms of genre, not in terms of specific songs or specific artists. Okay, so here's what I wrote. A professor is lecturing before a class and none of the kids are paying attention. The professor starts thinking about

hard rock and wants to quit and become a rock star and shred on guitar. Now, why that much? Because I was only given 200 words. If I had bought the bigger package, I could have had unlimited words, but I only did 200. Did you tell it in what genre, like rock and roll? Hard rock. Hard rock. That was the first thing you chose, hard rock. And I used the word shred. Okay. It created a song called Fading Guitar. I don't know why. But Fading Guitar. Here's about a minute of it. In the lecture hall, tractor seems to be your face is flickered with your eyes placed over the top trees. Fading. Fading. Fading. Fading. Fading. Fading.

Fading. Fading. Fading. Fading. Fading. There's what you think of it? Well, my first words are that it's playing for, like a cartoon, like, uh, who's Sonic, the little blues, like it runs real fast. Yeah, Sonic or the, uh, Ninja Turtles. Yeah, see now that you've said it, I don't know that I can hear anything but that you're right. It does sound teenage mutant Ninja Turtles. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. All right. But here's the thing that kills me. I didn't ask for anything. I just wrote this scenario, specifically saying hard rock and the word shred. I, the, the voice was made up. The tracks were made up and you say,

well, how long did it take to do this 30 seconds? Maybe. And it could have been nickel back also. Oh, easily. Yeah. The down, uh, the downside of it was that it took almost a minute, maybe 90 seconds in order for the entire song because you get a clip right off the bat. Okay. You say blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and then you get a clip, like 30 seconds, which you can play right off the bat. Wow. And if you want to download it, you then have to wait a little bit. It creates a song and down it comes. How long is the song, the total song? Three minutes. Let me look. Let me look. Let me look. They should know what the perfect number is, right? It's 24 seconds. Oh, perfect. Yeah. All right. So in front of my daughter, she said, do a Louisiana song. I said, all right. So I wrote this text, a Cajun song about its raining too much and its way too hot. Living in Louisiana is tough, but the food is really good. I hope a hurricane does

not come because my house will blow away. Okay. Why only that amount of words? Because I only had 200 characters. Got you. I just kept creating stuff. It created a song called Louisiana Blues. Ready? The rain it falls so hard, he burns like a scar. Life in Louisiana tough, but the food, oh, it's enough. Gumbo on my stove can't help but love this grove, sweat drips down my body. My face, still I call this place, rains falling down again,

heat bad will never end. Pretty in no hurricane, please knock my house again. Crawfish, boy in a yard, neighbors laugh real hard. Music, playin' all the breeze, Louisiana's got to be pleased, day turns into night, air still hot, no sight of relief from the skies, but these jambalaya highs. Okay, I wish I could record an acoustic guitar that, well, look, I'm just gonna be picky right now, I thought the rhymes were dumb. Gumbo on my stove, I

love it in this grove, now come on, come on, come on, stop it. Yeah, but I would listen to that. Overall, it was really, that was surprisingly good. Yes, it was. That would have taken me hours to write that brutal adoom on the guitar. Yeah. I love that little lick. I don't know what that's from, but a thousand bucks says that comes directly from a song. There is an AI where it can reverse and show you what the songs are, but I don't, would you listen to that? I would. That is shockingly good. It was. Shockingly good. Our mouth was open the first time we heard it, it was like, this can't be true. So I thought, let's throw some stuff at this that there's no way it can write. So I wrote my daughter created half of this, a child's song about how the plural of moose should be niece, the plural of mouse should be mouses and the plural of hummingbird should be cow. So it created something called the plural

song. Here you go. Moose in the forest, running with clay, there are lots of them, should it be niece, mouse in the kitchen, speaking around, more than one mouse, should it be mouses we found? Change in the words, let's play around now, a group of mousernies, mouses all around. hummingbird buzzing, what could it be, if there's more than one should we call them cows with glee just for fun, mixing it up, language can be silly and filled with such joy. Changing the words, let's play around now, a group of mousernies,

mouses all around. Give me a break. Are you kidding me? Why would any parent do anything but create songs for their kids? My kid needs to learn the capitals of the states. Wow. I didn't think of that. That's an excellent idea. My kid needs to learn his basic three tables, three times four, three times seven, three times six. Create a song for me. I guarantee it would do it and I found it interesting that it wrote across the beats. I'm sure there's a more musical name for it. So, instead of bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp,

bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp,

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because they tried, I don't know how else to say it. It's like they said, they said, the machine said that this is what rap music is supposed to sound like. The mix was terrible, the bass was far too amplified in the mix. And honestly, I couldn't hear what he was saying because they used a male voice that was in the same general frequency range as the repeating backing track. Now that sounds picky on my part, but I played it last just to let you know that not everything that comes out of this thing is rock star. Sometimes it stinks. It was the worst rap song I've ever heard in my life. It was. Rap, you can make fun of rap all you want, but there's a very specific talent to do it, to make the word, they use the word flow, to make the words flow and all of that and people who just love the opinion, all I have to do is make sort of rhythmic words and there I have a rock song. No, that's not it. It's the same thing with modern art. My five -year -old could paint that,

okay. Have your five -year -old paint that. Go ahead and do it. Now there's a very specific thing to it. But even though that one, I think, stunk up the room, the other three were shockingly good. Yeah. Hits. You mentioned that worship, music, gospel, music. I can't imagine that they're not using this left and right. I can't imagine you couldn't go in there and say, I want a 20 -piece gospel choir singing acapella about the Lord's prayer and it would give it to you. Once again, if you want to try this, it was not hard. Go to just simply search Soono. I think it's Soono .com, but I'm probably wrong. Just go to the Google and search S -U -N -O. So let me ask you, this scares me a little bit. Are people, no, are people going to, wait, are people going to stop playing instruments? They don't have

to. The people who do play instruments, there's a pride in it. But what concerns me, we've talked about this 10 ,000 times on the show, the glut. A person, like me, puts out an album. And I think it's generally impressive that I recorded it. I played every album, every instrument. I played all the additional elements that are in there. I sang it, I mixed it, I mastered it, and I posted it. I think that's kind of, wow, that's neat. You are a learned person. But then what is stopping my daughter, who has never gone out of her way to learn an instrument, can contrary to my son, my son plays like four instruments. She hated the sacks that made her play. But what she can do, because she even said to me, can I create a Suno account? I said, absolutely. Oh, yeah, she was all over it. Absolutely, get in there and start writing songs. I, how many lessons have I done? How many hours

have I sat in ran scales? How many gigs have I done that have been great and have failed miserably? She may write a better song than me. Ooh, you know what's really, really sad, though? She'll rub it in my face if she does. No, no, no, no, no, this is going to make, is this going to make people very, how, what's the word I'm looking for? Complacence? No, solo in their, their music. Are they only going to listen to stuff they create? Why not? Nobody else's crap? Why not? There's a, I see it in my students all the time. They find, they find happiness in themselves by what's bad. Well, I did radio. Radio's dead. There's a joy in that to them. And it seems like something I'm only seeing close to now. You know, there's a, I worked really hard. I worked overtime hours. Not me, man. I'm quiet quitting. There's a joy in going

against. Whatever. Whatever. And they could very easily say, you know, not me, man. I don't listen to what the corporate dudes give me. I used to listen to Indy, but it's lost its edge, man. So what I do is I make my, easily. I can see that easily. So let me ask you, okay? How many years have people been able to do this that we know about? I don't know. I don't know. I'm going to guess two, this simplistically. Now, you're going to get people that are going to get, well, they've been cutting tape all the way since the 70s. Stop. They still had to record it and then chop it all up. This, I'm going to guess two years, but it's reached the point where I wrote 200 words. And I got this. I know. Well, I may have to just stop listening to anything past a certain date. I can tell you that there's that idea in the art world

that we own a Salvador Dolly. And what it was is it's a strike and then Dolly supposedly painted it. Did he? I don't know, but it was one of his minions and there it's still seen as a Dolly. If you create an AI song, like that Louisiana tune. Right. But then you look at it, you change it, you move it around a little bit, you do this, you record it yourself. Is it yours? I don't think so. So painting the strike is it the same as creating the AI song, transcribing it, playing it yourself, and redoing it, or using it as a background and you do the leads over top of it and you, and you say, well, you can't do that. It's a song. Yeah, I've already got an AI that will split every instrument. I do it when I need to learn leads. I split everything into the individual instruments. I'm playing with a band this October, I think,

on stage, and we're doing a salute to CBGB. And I have to play what's so funny about peace and love and understanding. And they said, do a solo out. So I took the song, I split it, I created a bed, and I just played over top of the G and the C going back and forth until I had something. Huh? Okay. So how do people perform these songs that are created like this? Got me. Can it be done? Of course it can be done. But do they own it? See, I perform one of the songs I wrote. It's mine, period. But who owns this? And that's what the lawsuit's all about. Look, I've been talking for 16 minutes now. I haven't gone in and put the songs in. We record this and then I assemble edit it later. I don't know where we are. So what do you say we just take our first break and I'll figure out the time later? What do you got? W -W -W -N -W, New Wilmington PA,

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can answer some of the questions that came into my head. Says here the complaints by the majors that Sony Music Group, RIAA, Water Music Group, and Universal Music Group. By the way, make no mistake. This is a huge lawsuit. They are coming after these people hard. So what's going to happen? It's equivalent in Joe's mind. It's equivalent to me the idea of Napster. The thing is the businesses, the music people could have said to Napster. Look, I see you've created something new. Okay, rather than suing you out of existence, why don't we do this? Hey, if you buy your song through us, Sony Music Group, you know it won't have any viruses, you know it's going to be in the best quality possible, and if you buy a song through us, we'll give you a live song for free. Because it's digital, there's no distribution fees. You buy an album from

us, eight songs, ten songs, we'll give you a concert for free. And when you buy it, you then have the ability to opt in, say you like, I don't know, Nickelback. You buy the Nickelback album, you buy it, you buy it, you buy it, you buy it, you buy it, you buy it, you buy it, you buy it, you buy it, buy it, you buy it, you buy it, you buy it, you buy it, you buy it, you buy it, you buy it, you buy it Let's create a copyright blanket fee that the average schmo can buy, make it just a little more expensive than it should be. So it takes people like my daughter and pushes them away. So when you show up at Suno, instead of, you know,

logging in, it wants to know your copyright blanket fee number and you know, I'm just gonna give it to 400 other people like my, like my Netflix, you know, it has a whole work yet to use it once. That's it. And is if a second person puts it in, no, absolutely not. So now you create the songs and copyright has been created. Well, who do we pay? We reverse engineer AI it so we know who the songs are. Who are they taking voices, guitar, all of these instruments from? Therein lies the concern. When you're talking about the idea of AI, the base of everything is created by what I like to call a shrimp boat. The way shrimp boat works is you have a giant net that scrapes along the bottom of the wherever you are. Right. And pulls up the shrimp because it also pulls up everything else. And then the shrimper, that's,

that's the correct word for a person who, who farms shrimp, a shrimper, then takes and throws away everything that he doesn't want. All the fish, all the stuff that gets picked up and he wants only the shrimp. So he picks them all up. That's the way an AI works. It goes along everything that exists and it just pulls it up with a net and uses what it wants. And if you had a blanket copyright fee, Bango, it's been taken care of. Everybody that's ever recorded a song in history is going to want money off of your song. If it is indeed used and yes, you're currently like Randy Travis, he's big into this right now, right? Absolutely. Putting his voice out there. Yeah. Absolutely. But should he be paid? Yes. Can you get down to the exact person they pulled vocals from? Yes. Really? Yes. Absolutely. I'm scared. They reverse engineer the AI. They know where I

live. You got to understand that every sound is not a single frequency. You've seen that up and down circular thing that's a, you know, a description of what a sound is. Yeah. That's a, that's a sine wave. That's the, a 440 that I often use when there's a curse word. Right. Boop. That's not what sound is. Sound is an envelope. It's multiple sounds, multiple harmonics, multiple secondary created harmonics. And once the computer has that, it knows it's Randy Travis's voice. Okay. Everybody out there that's ever created a record should be getting some money then right? A check in the mail? I wish I knew. I wish I knew. Where's the money going? I, first of all, I'm going to say it again and then I got to get out because of time. Music has no intrinsic value. Well, it does now. No, it doesn't. People will not pay for it. And I'm going to tell you, it's the same thing with

Napster. If indeed they figure out a way to make people pay, they have to make it able to be paid. They have to do some lawsuits, but you can get around it. Look, nobody pays for music. They pay for access to music. If a group comes out and they got all of these songs, right, that they're creating here, when you go to a concert, how do you hear those songs unless they're just playing a tape? Well, no. You could easily find all the instruments, hire decent musicians and recreate it. Oh, of course you could. Come on. You've never seen a cover band? Well, yeah. I've seen a cover band. But come on. That's what you do. That's what you do. Okay. Queen. Show must go on. Talks about the idea of later in the world. Maybe computer stuff that does it. Seriously. Show must go on. Listen to the text. It's Queen on Roxco.

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hot 100 1995. Yeah. That seems impossible. Yeah. September 3 1968, Ringo returns to the Beatles after quitting in frustration during the white album sessions. And he finds his drum kit covered in flowers. September 4, 1971, Clarence Clemens plays with Bruce Springsteen for the first time at a show in Asbury Park, New Jersey. September 5, 1957, Elvis Presley gives his mother Gladys that famous pink head life. So sweet. September 6, 1968, Eric Clapton records the guitar solo for the Beatles while my guitar gently weeps. September 7, 1984. In excess plays the first of two concerts in Guam. It's this little island in the Pacific. I hired a guy to work at my at my university who's last job was in Guam. Get out of here. He loved it. He had to leave because there was an

earthquake and his wife said we're gone. We're gone. But it's a it's destination for tourists, specifically Japanese tourists. And when you get there, it's like Fendi and Gucci. No way. I'm not kidding. Absolutely not. Says here they were on their way to Japan, figured they could stop put on two concerts. September 8, 1966, American bandstand host Dick Clark, guests on ABC's Batman. Batman. Okay. The lawsuit against Suno was filed in Massachusetts. You asked me if this was a United States or if these were United States companies or if they were across the pond. No, they are United States companies. The lawsuit against Suno, that's the one I use to write the songs was filed in Massachusetts. Udo was filed in New York. Here are the songs that they reverse a I'd saying were inside of many other stuff. All I want for Christmas is you, great balls of fire. I get around dancing queen. I got you. I feel good.

Blue blaze, sway, green days, American idiot. Temptations, my girl and Michael Jackson's Billy Jean. What the record labels are demanding. Is that Suno in Udo admit that they're mining their music libraries? Well, they won't do that going back to the Napster thing. What gets a provider into trouble outside of what they call the safe harbor clause in the copyright law is admitting they knew what they were doing. Right. Napster stayed on the air by just continuing. I don't know what our people are doing. Confirm and deny. We are just creating a method. They're not going to do it. Here's what Sony said. We approve of quote artists and songwriters taking the lead in embracing new technologies in support of their art while vowing to protect their work from AI thieves. No, you don't. Who are you kidding?

Right. No, you don't. Just pay people. How about that? You want this AI destroyed. I'm sorry Pandora's box has been opened and the toothpaste is not going back in the two. Never. It'll never go back in. Absolutely not. Especially when it has become this stupidly easy. Pay people money. Send them a check. Absolutely. In the mail. My daughter who can't play an instrument to save her life and and wouldn't and want why should she she could go to pseudo and she or sooner and just simply say, write me a song that sounds like Justin Bieber and Taylor Swift. Actually, you can't do that because if you wrote Justin Bieber or Taylor Swift, it would bulk. But you know, write me a song. That's nasty. Listen to you. Well, they can't say the name by saying, oh, okay, Van Halen and using it, they're

admitting they did it. Yeah, with Taylor, all you have to say is breaking up with boyfriend. Does that work? Yeah. She only has three songs. Remember I got I got broken up and no one has ever felt worse than me. I'm in love and no one has ever been more in love than me. Yeah. And I have been broken up but I am a bad BIT rhymes with which? Oh, you miss one. Which one did I miss? Where? Where? You've you've got a new book out. It's called where? So I don't have an answer. This is Napster all over again. If you know the Napster thing, it is. I don't know where we're going. I don't know where we're going. It's out of the bag and it may be that this is the demise of all music. And I'd like to go, oh, that's terribly awful but three of the four songs that I made weren't bad. They weren't great but they weren't bad and you say, well, if they're not bad, who cares? Ever

played the original Madden football? Remember how terrible it looked? Oh, God, yes. What's it look like now? It's almost beautiful. True. Does it still look like a video game? Yeah, give it five years. It won't. You will be watching an actual football game. Oh, my God. Kill me now. No, I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. Why kill you? Anywho, who's listening to us? I have no idea. That would be K in HS Lafayette, Louisiana. Follow along with the format, Tammy. Yeah, around. Back in a minute here in Rock School. Well, coming out of that break, guess what? It gets better. There is yet another

billion dollar lawsuit. Do we use Verizon? Is that who we pay money to to have phones? No, not us. No, we don't. Verizon has been hit with a 2 .6 billion. With a B? Yeah, with a B, massive copyright infringement case. Here's, look what it is. The largest recording companies in the world have fired a lawsuit against Verizon and Verizon services and CLEO partnership. That's Verizon wireless. The plaintiff state that Verizon and all those other people enabled and profited by copyright infringement committed by tens of thousands of subscribers. Here's what you got to prove though. Remember that there is in copyright law the safe harbor clause. When AOL first got started, there were horrible people on there wanting to talk to young children. Right. Well, obviously AOL is guilty. No, they're not. It's not up to

AOL, according to the safe harbor clause, to police what their users write. You may not like that, but that's the law. So the plaintiffs claim that Verizon knowingly therein lies the concern. Continue and continue to provide high speed internet to a massive community of online pirates. Really? Because a copyright infringement human being uses Verizon for his or her connection to the internet. You're going after Verizon? Too much. Too much. No, not good. If you will. The suit claims 17 ,000 tunes were used. Named in a suit, our prince, Nickelback, Madonna, the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Stevie Wonder, and Fleetwood, blah, blah, blah, blah. The plaintiffs are asking for 15 ,000 dollars per infraction. And you say, well, they come up with that number. Copyright law. Seriously.

Wow. Copyright law. And if you do the mathematicals, it comes up to 2 .6 billion. They're never going to get it. This is a slap suit. What they want to do is scare the living crap out of Verizon. I'm scared. And the thing about it is Verizon has got 2 .6 million dollars. And they don't have to hire a lawyer. How many lawyers do they have on staff? 11 to Julia. Oh, you know it. Come on. But here we are. It's Napster all over again. We're not going to figure out a way to make this work. We're going to try and sue you out of existence. And it's already been done. You, you will lose. You absolutely will lose. Wow. Here's dirty computer featuring Brian Wilson. It's Jennifer Monday here on Roxco. Oh.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. That. Oh. OK. What? Please reply, oh can't you see, that it's only me You're dirty computer, dirty computer

You're dirty computer, dirty computer I'll be with the space and time Last break here, I have no idea how much time I have to talk So let's just do this, there's a website called findlaw .com How many times you've been watching some daytime show and it's like, have you gotten mesothelioma? Have you gotten anywhere near asbestos? Yes, well you may be entitled to bunches of dollars In burlap bags with a dollar sign on the front Well, that's what this is asking Have your music been or has your music been used by AI? Copyright gives you the power to decide the terms under which your work may be reproduced Unless

you grant the AI company permission, I would But anyway, unless you grant the term permission, you may have copyright infringement claims Really? You're gonna ask people to go after other people? What are you gonna do? Let's say it's my daughter What are you gonna do? She doesn't have any money She's confirmed, she has a broken ankle, she can't even go to work She can't do anything, but you have squeezed a stone with everything you got The only blood you're gonna get is your own It also has this big section on fair use and AI, it doesn't apply Fair use, here's the quickest way I can explain it Fair use is academic You can use and cite and do all that kind of stuff It's believe me, I know, I know, I know those of you who understand copyright law, it's not just that Here's the quickest way It's academic, you write a paper, you publish something, it's academic, there you

go Fair use that creates a song you intend to entertain people with, make yourself famous with, make a promo with It just flat out doesn't apply It does not, I wish I could tell you it did, it doesn't You use this AI thing, you create a song and you go, huh, fair use To whom is it fair? To whom is it fair? So we gotta get out of here, I'm not even sure where we are on time So there you go, I'm Joe Burns I'm Tammy Burns There you go, hey try one of them, go sign up, write some songs You may create stuff that's... Or you may create a few where you go, wow, that's not terrible Which scares me more than anything, because what happens in five years? Huh? Huh? Wow I could go in and go hey, I wish there was another Mozart opera There you go, and it exists I wish I could hear more Eddie Van Halen There you go That's it, class is dismissed

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When I am king, you will be faster against the wall Ooh Ooh Ooh Ooh But your opinion, which is of no consequence? Ooh What's fair? What's fair? Ooh Ooh Ooh Ooh Ooh Ooh Ooh Ooh Ooh Ooh Ooh Ooh Ooh Ooh

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