New Mexico in Focus; 745; Primary Gubernatorial Candidates

PARTIAL FUNDING FOR THE PRODUCTION OF NEW MEXICO InFOCUS PROVIDED BY THE McCUNE CHARITABLE FOUNDATION. >> THIS WEEK ON NEW MEXICO InFOCUS ... PROTESTS SHUT DOWN A CITY COUNCIL MEETING AFTER ANOTHER POLICE SHOOTING. >> IT'S REALLY A COLLAPSE OF CITY GOVERNMENT. THE COUNCIL WAS STANDING AROUND WITH NO IDEA WHAT TO DO. THE MAYOR'S ABSENT. >> PLUS, WE START OUR INTERVIEWS WITH GUBINATORIAL HOPEFULS AHEAD OF THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY. InFOCUS STARTS NOW! >> THIS WEEK, THE LINE LOOKS AT THE GROWING FRUSTRATION OVER THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOLLOWING YET ANOTHER OFFICER-INVOLVED SHOOTING AND DEATH LAST WEEKEND. THERE WAS A RAUCOUS PROTEST THIS WEEK AT CITY COUNCIL AS ORGANIZERS TRIED TO SERVE A CITIZENS ARREST WARRANT ON ALBUQUERQUE POLICE CHIEF GORDON EDEN. THAT PROMPTED COUNCILORS TO HALT THEIR MEETING. I ALSO TALK WITH ALBUQUERQUE GENERAL CITY HALL REPORTER DAN McKAY TO GET A FIRST-HAND REPORT ON THESE

EVENTS AND HOW CITY LEADERS ARE REACTING. BUT FIRST, WE KICK OFF THE CAMPAIGN SEASON WITH A LOOK AT GUBINATORIAL HOPEFULS. THERE ARE FIVE CANDIDATES VYING TO WIN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY IN JUNE AND THEN GO ON TO CHALLENGE GOVERNOR SUSANA MARTINEZ. NMiF SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT MARTHA BURK, AUTHOR OF 'YOUR VOICE, YOUR VOTE, THE SAVVY WOMAN'S GUIDE TO POWER, POLITICS AND THE CHANGE WE NEED,' TALKS WITH THREE CANDIDATES THIS WEEK, AND THE REMAINING TWO ON NEXT WEEK'S SHOW. FIRST UP IS STATE SENATOR LINDA LOPEZ. THE VETERAN LEGISLATOR FROM ALBUQUERQUE'S SOUTH VALLEY HAS SERVED THE ROUNDHOUSE SINCE 1997, AND CHAIRS THE SENATE RULES COMMITTEE. SHE WAS ONE OF THE MOST OUTSPOKEN CRITICS OF THE GOVERNOR'S EDUCATION AGENDA DURING THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, AND MS. LOPEZ HAS MADE EDUCATION A KEY PART OF HER PLATFORM. >> LINDA LOPEZ RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR, THE ONLY WOMAN IN THE FIELD. IS THAT GOING TO HELP YOU, HURT YOU, OR DOES IT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE? >> I BELIEVE IT HELPS IN MANY, MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. >> GIVE ME SOME MORE DETAIL ON THAT. >> WELL, AS THE ONLY WOMAN

RUNNING, I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRAVEL, OF COURSE, ACROSS THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO TALKING TO MANY WOMEN, SINGLE MOMS, OLDER WOMEN, JUST LISTENING TO BELIEVE I HAVE A MUCH BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH IN THEIR LIVES. >> WHAT SORTS OF CONCERNS ARE THEY GIVING YOU? >> THE ISSUES THAT I'VE BEEN HEARING DEAL WITH ELDER CARE, ISSUES ABOUT CHILD CARE, ISSUES ABOUT JOBS FOR CHILDREN, FOR THEIR CHILDREN WHEN I SPEAK TO THE MOMS, ISSUES ABOUT ACCESS JUST TO DIFFERENT AREAS IN STATE GOVERNMENT WHICH WE, AS NEW MEXICO GOVERNMENT, ARE IN CHARGE OF. >> WELL, WE HAVE SOME NEW NEWS, MORE OR LESS, ABOUT STATE. IT SEEMS THAT 25-30% OF THE WORKING MOMS WITH KIDS UNDER 3 YEARS OLD IN NEW MEXICO ARE WORKING AT LOW WAGE JOBS. >> YES. >> DO YOU HAVE A PLAN FOR

AND WHAT IS IT? >> WELL, IN MY LEGISLATIVE HISTORY OF 18 YEARS IN SANTA FE, I HAVE ALWAYS SUPPORTED RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE. WE JUST HAD A PIECE OF LEGISLATION THIS LAST YEAR THAT DIDN'T QUITE GET THROUGH. I VOTED FOR THE BILL A FEW YEARS AGO. I WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THAT AND SIGN A BILL IF IT REACHES MY DESK AS GOVERNOR. AS GOVERNOR, I WILL MAKE SURE THAT STATE GOVERNMENT JOBS, THAT WE ARE PAYING OUR STATE EMPLOYEES A LIVING WAGE. >> SO LIVING WAGE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM MINIMUM WAGE, AND WE KNOW THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS SIGNED AN EXECUTIVE ORDER RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE FOR FEDERAL CONTRACT WORKERS. >> RIGHT. >> IS THAT THE SORT OF THING YOU HAVE IN MIND? >> SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO THAT. BUT, AGAIN, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MINIMUM WAGE AND THE BILLS THAT HAVE BEEN IN FRONT OF THE LEGISLATURE, $7 SOMETHING OR $8 SOMETHING, DEPENDING ON THE TIME IT'S BEEN INTRODUCED, A LIVING WAGE IS MUCH MORE, TO ALLOW OUR FAMILIES TO SURVIVE AND TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE PROFITABLE.

>> HOW WOULD YOU ANSWER THE BUSINESS INTERESTS WHO WILL SAY, IT'S GOING TO KILL JOBS? >> WELL, IN STATE GOVERNMENT IF WE START WITH IT IN STATE GOVERNMENT AND SHOW THE LEADERSHIP THAT I CAN BRING AS GOVERNOR, WE BEGIN TO SET THE PRECEDENT AS TO WHAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING. AND IF GOVERNMENT CAN DO THAT, THEN WE TAKE MANY OF OUR EMPLOYEES, MANY OF THEM WOMEN, OFF ANY TYPE OF ASSISTANCE THAT MANY OF THEM ARE GETTING, WHERE THEY CAN QUALIFY FOR SNAP AND MANY OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS. ALSO, THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ON THE DISPARITY IN PAY AMONGST MANY OF OUR STATE EMPLOYEES. >> NOW, HOW WOULD YOU ADDRESS THE GENDER PAY GAP? BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT IT'S STILL A BIG PROBLEM IN THIS STATE. NEW MEXICO IS ABOUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PACK IN TERMS OF THE 50 STATES, BUT WOMEN ARE STILL MAKING, DEPENDING ON WHICH NUMBER YOU USE, EITHER 77 CENTS OR 80 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR TO MEN. HOW WOULD YOU ADDRESS THAT PROBLEM? GOVERNOR OF THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO, I WOULD BEGIN TO LOOK AT THE DISPARITY THAT

EXISTS. THOSE ARE THE CORRECTIONS THAT I WILL MAKE AS GOVERNOR TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS PARITY WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENTS. I KNOW THERE ARE SEVERAL REPORTS THAT WE'VE HEARD OF OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS ABOUT THE DISPARITY IN PAY. WE WILL CORRECT -- I WILL CORRECT THOSE. THAT IS STATE GOVERNMENT. NOW, AGAIN, AS THE LEADER OF THE STATE, I'D TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND BEGIN A CAMPAIGN AS TO HOW WE CAN DO THE OUTREACH, WHERE WE GO WORKING WITH OUR CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE, EVEN GOING TO WORK WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVEN LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND OUR SCHOOLS ARE PAYING WOMEN FOR THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING, THE PARITY IN THE PAY. >> WELL, ACTUALLY, I WAS INVOLVED IN A STUDY A WHILE BACK OF THE STATE WORK FORCE, AND THE PAY GAP AT THE STATE LEVEL IS SMALLER THAN IT IS IN THE LARGER ECONOMY HERE. THAT MOVES US TO, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THIS STATE? WHAT IS YOUR PLAN TO BOLSTER OUR ECONOMY? WE ARE FIRST IN POVERTY, AND WE ARE LAST IN JOB CREATION

SINCE THE RECESSION. SO, WHAT'S YOUR PLAN TO ATTACK THAT DUAL PROBLEM? >> WELL, NEW MEXICO HAS BEEN STAGNANT SINCE THE RECESSION WHILE EVERYONE ELSE, OF COURSE, IN THE COUNTRY IS MOVING FORWARD. NEW MEXICO HAS HAD, I THINK, SOME HARD TIMES OVER MANY YEARS OF TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THE NATIONAL ECONOMY. WHAT MY PLAN IS, IS TO BEGIN WITH WHAT I HAVE CONTROL OVER AS GOVERNOR TO PROVIDE LEADERSHIP, AND THOSE ARE JOB OPPORTUNITIES FOR MANY COMMUNITIES ACROSS OUR STATE. ONE IS DEALING WITH AN INTERNSHIP PROGRAM TO ALLOW OUR YOUNG PEOPLE BETWEEN THE AGES OF 17 AND 24 TO HAVE A FOOT IN THE DOOR TO BE ABLE TO GET THOSE SOFT SKILLS, AND THE REASON WHY IS, AS YOU KNOW, THE WORD OUT ON THE STREET IS THAT NEW MEXICO IS NOT WORKFORCE READY. IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THAT, OUR PEOPLE NEED AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE PROFESSIONALISM, TO BE ABLE TO LEARN THE SOFT SKILLS OF SHOWING UP ON TIME, LEARNING HOW TO DRESS FOR SUCCESS, LEARNING HOW TO INTERACT WITH PEOPLE. THOSE ARE ALL THE SKILLS THAT AN EMPLOYER NEEDS. THE OTHER PART OF MY PLAN

DEALS WITH WORKING ON ADULT BASIC EDUCATION, BECAUSE THAT, TOO, IS AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF HOW WE HAVE A WORKFORCE THAT'S READY. >> ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE VERY IMPORTANT, I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT, BUT THE JOBS HAVE TO BE THERE. >> YES. >> AND WE HAVE NOT RECOVERED IN JOBS. WHAT DO YOU THINK THE PROBLEM IS? DO YOU THINK THERE IS A TAX PROBLEM WITH THE TAX STRUCTURE? WHAT WOULD YOU DO ABOUT THAT, IF ANYTHING? >> CURRENTLY WITH OUR TAX STRUCTURE, I THINK WE'VE GIVEN QUITE A BIT AWAY IN OUR TAX DOLLARS. WE NEED TO GO BACK AND REVIEW. WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET SOME REPORTS BACK FROM THE LEGISLATURE, BUT I FIRMLY WILL COMMIT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LOOK AT A TAX EXPENDITURE BUDGET, BECAUSE WE NEED TO SEE WHERE OUR TAX DOLLARS HAVE BEEN GOING. ANY TAX CREDIT, IF IT'S NOT WORKING, THEN MAYBE WE SHOULD RE-EVALUATE THAT TAX CREDIT, TAKE IT BACK AND FIGURE WHERE ELSE WE NEED TO PUT OUR DOLLARS. JUST GIVING TAX CREDITS DOES NOT PRODUCE JOBS, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD MANY INDUSTRIAL REVENUE BONDS AND MANY OTHER OPPORTUNITIES OF MONEY THAT

HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN FOR JOB CREATION. THEY MAY COME IN. THEY LEAVE. WHERE ARE WE LEFT? STILL WITH NO TAX BASE. TO ME, THAT IS ALSO IMPORTANT. THE OTHER PART OF MY JOB CREATION IS LOOKING AT HOW WE INCREASE JOB OPPORTUNITIES IN EVERY STATE GOVERNMENT OFFICE, INCREASING WORKERS THAT ARE QUALIFIED TO WORK IN THE CHILDREN, YOUTH & FAMILIES DEPARTMENT, WHERE WE'VE HAD MANY ISSUES, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION NEEDS. WE HAVE MANY STATE OFFICES, STATE DEPARTMENTS, THAT NEED QUALIFIED EMPLOYEES TO COME IN. NOT A SUPER HIRE, BUT QUALIFIED AND TARGETED AS WE GENERALLY BEGIN TO INCREASE. THAT ALSO INCREASES JOB GROWTH. >> LET'S TALK A BIT, JUST QUICKLY, ABOUT THE EDUCATION DEPARTMENT. >> YES, MA'AM. >> BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE ALREADY SAID THERE ARE CERTAIN KINDS OF SKILLS THAT YOU WANT TO SEE, BUT WE HAVE A MISERABLE GRADUATION RATE IN THIS STATE. >> YES.

>> DO YOU HAVE A PLAN FOR INCREASING THE NUMBER OF OUR GRADUATES AND THE RATE OF GRADUATION? >> THE GRADUATION RATE HAS BEEN INCREASING BY INCREMENTS, BUT IT IS SLOWLY MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. NOW, EDUCATION DOESN'T CHANGE OVERNIGHT. THAT'S AN INVESTMENT THAT WE HAVE TO PLACE IN OUR CHILDREN, WORKING WITH OUR TEACHERS AND OUR FAMILIES, AND IT'S WHAT I CALL THE WHOLE CHILD. EVEN IF YOU'RE IN HIGH SCHOOL TRYING TO GRADUATE, ALL THE EXTRA TESTING THAT COMES IN, THAT DOES NOT HELP TO MAKE OUR STUDENTS BRIGHTER OR SMARTER. WE HAVE TO INVEST OUR MONIES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SURROUNDING SUPPORT SERVICES FOR THAT STUDENT AND THE CHILD TO BE ABLE TO BE THE BEST THAT THEY CAN, WHICH MEANS MORE PROGRAMS TO HELP OUR STUDENTS TO BE ABLE TO GRADUATE. >> LET'S MOVE BACK TO THE ISSUE OF WOMEN, AND THIS BRINGS TO ME THE MIND ALSO OF TEEN PREGNANCY. YOU DON'T REALLY ADDRESS WOMEN ON YOUR WEBSITE, AT ALL, EXCEPT TO SAY YOU WANT TO BE SURE THAT WOMEN HAVE ACCESS TO NEONATAL CARE.

WHAT ABOUT THE ABORTION ISSUE? WHERE DO YOU STAND ON THAT? >> WELL, WITH REGARDS TO THE ISSUE OF ABORTION, I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT EVERY WOMAN HAS THE RIGHT TO MAKE A CHOICE ABOUT HER HEALTH CARE. SHE IS THE ONLY PERSON THAT KNOWS AND UNDERSTANDS AS TO WHAT THE EFFECTS ARE WITHIN HER FAMILY. TO ANY TYPE OF HEALTH CARE THAT SHE NEEDS, I DO SUPPORT THAT, AND THAT SHOULD BE OPEN FOR EVERY WOMAN. >> NOW, GIVE ME, VERY QUICKLY, YOU DO ADDRESS UNIONS ALSO. >> YES. >> YOU'RE VERY STRONG ON UNIONS, AND YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PREVAILING WAGE IS PAID ON STATE CONTRACTS; IS THAT RIGHT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> HOW WOULD YOU GO ABOUT ENFORCING THAT? >> WELL, AS GOVERNOR, THAT'S WHAT YOUR ROLE IS. YOU GO THROUGH AND HAVE A REVIEW DONE ON ALL OF THE CONTRACTS, WHICH I WILL BE DOING, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THAT WE CONTRACT WITH AS THE STATE ARE PAYING THAT PREVAILING WAGE. IF NOT, YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND TAKE CARE OF IT. >> NOW, WE ONLY HAVE ONE MINUTE LEFT. LET'S TALK ABOUT WINNING THE RACE.

YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY AN UNDERDOG BECAUSE YOU'RE LOW IN FUND-RAISING, AND SOME PEOPLE SAY YOU CAN'T OVERCOME THE $4 MILLION THAT SUSANA MARTINEZ ALREADY HAS. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO WIN THIS RACE? >> WELL, WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING IS OUT WALKING AND KNOCKING. WE'RE MAKING CONTACT WITH MANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS, WITH GRASSROOTS OUTREACH, AND I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT WILL BRING THE VICTORY THAT'S NEEDED, BECAUSE OUR PEOPLE HAVE TO BE ENGAGED. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, LINDA LOPEZ. >> THANK YOU. >> IF YOU WANT TO DRIVE POLICY TO BE CHANGED, WHEN YOU ALLOW PEOPLE TO MOVE YOU TO THE SIDE AND SAY, YOU'RE A JOKE, IT'S A CIRCUS, THEN I THINK YOU'RE LOSING THE ABILITY TO MAKE THAT CHANGE. I WOULD HOPE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP REALLY ARE TRYING TO MAKE POLICY CHANGES THAT ARE BETTER FOR ALBUQUERQUE. >> ALBUQUERQUE JOURNAL

REPORTER DAN McKAY HAS COVERED CITY HALL FOR YEARS, AND HE WAS THERE AS USUAL TO MONDAY NIGHT. THE COUNCIL WAS SUPPOSED TO ADDRESS TWO PROPOSALS REGARDING THE CHIEF OF POLICE. ONE WOULD MAKE THIS AN ELECTED POSITION; THE OTHER WOULD STILL GIVE THE MAYOR POWER TO HIRE THE CHIEF, BUT THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY COUNCIL. NONE OF THAT TOOK PLACE AS PROTESTORS TRIED TO SERVE A CITIZENS ARREST WARRANT ON POLICE CHIEF GORDON EDEN, AND AFTER COUNCIL PRESIDENT KEN SANCHEZ HALTED THE MEETING AND CITY STAFF LEFT, PROTESTORS TOOK OVER THE DIAS AND HELD A NO CONFIDENCE VOTE ON MAYOR RICHARD J. BERRY AND HIS TOP ADMINISTRATOR, ROB PERRY. AS WE TAPED THIS SHOW ON THURSDAY, THE CITY COUNCIL WAS PLANNING TO MEET AGAIN THAT NIGHT, TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES AND MORE. DAN, THANKS FOR COMING IN. INTERESTING HOW THOSE THINGS GO. YOU CAN COVER CITY COUNCIL FOR A LONG TIME AND NOT SEE ANYTHING CLOSE TO THAT. WHAT, IN ESSENCE, HAPPENED, IN REFLECTION FOR YOU MONDAY NIGHT? WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT KICKED THIS WHOLE THING OFF? >> WELL, I THINK THAT THERE FRUSTRATION FOR QUITE SOME TIME ABOUT THE STATE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WHETHER THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE DONE ENOUGH TO ADDRESS THE

PROBLEMS, OR TAKE STEPS TO IMPROVE THE DEPARTMENT. THERE HAS BEEN A COHORT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN GOING FOR YEARS, MOSTLY THE FAMILY MEMBERS OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN SHOT AND KILLED BY POLICE, WHO HAVE BEEN TESTIFYING BEFORE THE COUNCIL, HARANGUING THEM, CRITICIZING THEM, PUSHING FOR MORE DRAMATIC CHANGE. AND IN RECENT WEEKS, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF NEW FACES THAT HAVE BEEN SHOWING UP, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE SHOOTING OF JAMES BOYD, THE HOMELESS CAMPER IN THE FOOTHILLS IN MARCH. AND ON MONDAY THERE WERE -- THIS WEEK, MONDAY, THERE WERE EVEN NEW FACES STILL, AND IT WAS CLEAR THAT THEY HAD A PLAN. THIS WAS ALL PLANNED OUT BEFOREHAND. DAVID CORREIA, THE UNM PROFESSOR, ALTHOUGH OBVIOUSLY UNM HAS DISTANCED ITSELF FROM HIS COMMENTS, BUT, YOU KNOW, HE BASICALLY DECIDED THAT HE WANTED TO DO

SOMETHING, IT SOUNDS LIKE IN THE TRADITION OF SOME OTHER ACTIVIST GROUPS IN ALBUQUERQUE, INCLUDING THE LAND GRANT ACTIVISTS AND THE CHICANO ACTIVISTS, AND THAT'S WHERE THEY SEIZED ON THE IDEA OF A CITIZENS ARREST. AND BASICALLY, IT WAS CHAOS IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND NOT LIKE SOMETHING I'D EVER SEEN. I TALKED TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN WATCHING THE COUNCIL FOR DECADES, AND HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN AT LEAST 30 YEARS. >> SURE. COUNCIL PRESIDENT KEN SANCHEZ WAS IN A TOUGH SPOT, CERTAINLY, AND AT ONE POINT HE TRIED TO CALL FOR A FIVE-MINUTE BREAK JUST TO LET THINGS COOL DOWN. THAT DIDN'T QUITE WORK. WHERE DO YOU THINK HE WAS ON HIS EFFORTS TO TRY AND CONTROL THE MEETING, AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY THE NEW SET OF RULES, SO TO SPEAK, THAT COUNCIL HAS COME OUT WITH FOR THE THURSDAY NIGHT MEETING, LAST NIGHT? WHAT'S YOUR SENSE OF WHERE KEN SANCHEZ IS AT AT THIS POINT? >> I THINK HE WAS SURPRISED ON MONDAY. AS COUNCIL PRESIDENT, HE HAS

TRIED TO BE FAIRLY LENIENT. I THINK THAT HE HAS GIVEN PEOPLE THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT AS THEY COME TO SPEAK BEFORE THE COUNCIL. AND NOW WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS A LOT OF COUNCILORS ARE FEELING LIKE PERHAPS HE HAS BEEN TOO LENIENT, OR GIVEN TOO MUCH BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT TO THE SPEAKERS. >> AND SOMETIMES THAT COMES ACROSS, WHERE HE WAS NOT QUITE AS HARD ON THE TWO-MINUTE LIMIT. IF PEOPLE HAD SOMETHING TO SAY, HE WOULD LET THEM SAY IT OUT OF COURTESY. BUT YOU COULD ALMOST SENSE THAT PERHAPS THAT WAS GOING TO TURN AROUND A LITTLE BIT, THERE WAS MAYBE SOME LIBERTIES TAKEN, AND OTHER COUNCILORS WERE GETTING A LITTLE FRUSTRATED WITH THAT. IS THAT YOUR SENSE, THAT THAT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION BEFORE THESE NEW RULES CAME OUT, THAT THEY ALL HAD TO HAVE A HUDDLE AND SAY, LOOK, LET'S FIGURE THIS OUT, SOMETHING IS NOT QUITE WORKING HERE. >> YES, I THINK THEY DEFINITELY DECIDED THEY WANTED A CHANGE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY ALL MET. THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO MEET IN PRIVATE. >> RIGHT. >> BUT I'M SURE THAT SANCHEZ SPOKE WITH INDIVIDUAL COUNCILORS, AND I KNOW THAT SOME OF THEM ARE QUITE FRUSTRATED AND WANTED TO CHANGE THE WAY PUBLIC COMMENT HAPPENS.

>> SURE. >> SO SANCHEZ HAS BEEN -- IN ORDER TO GIVE PEOPLE EXTRA TIME TO COME UP AND KNOW WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO SPEAK, HE USUALLY READS OUT THE NAME OF THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE SPEAKERS, AND THEY ALL COME DOWN AND WAIT WHILE THE FIRST SPEAKER FINISHES HIS OR HER COMMENTS. OFTEN PEOPLE COME DOWN WITH SIGNS AND CROWD AROUND THE SPEAKER AS HE OR SHE IS SPEAKING. AND IT SOUNDS PRETTY CLEAR THAT THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE, THAT HE IS GOING TO CALL UP ONE PERSON AT A TIME. THEY DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE CONGREGATING AROUND THE PODIUM. THEIR INTENT IS NOT TO ALLOW ANY SIGNS AT ALL TONIGHT. SO WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES. YOU KNOW, THESE COUNCIL MEETINGS CAN BE KIND OF VOLATILE WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN AN ENCLOSED SPACE, SO WE'LL HAVE TO SEE. >> IT HAS ALSO BEEN ANNOUNCED -- AND AGAIN, THIS IS SO AWKWARD SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS AFTER THE FACT, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR PUTTING YOU IN THIS POSITION, BUT WE'RE ALSO TALKING THAT SOME FOLKS ARE PLANNING, AS WE TAPE THIS ON THURSDAY AFTERNOON, TO COME AND CONTINUE THE PROCESS OF

PROTEST. SO WE'LL HAVE TO SEE HOW THAT ALL PLAYS OUT. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE SIGN THING. I'VE TALKED TO A COUPLE OF FOLKS IN THE SHORT 24 HOURS WE'VE HAD SINCE THE NEW RULES HAVE COME OUT, AND IT'S LIKE, IS THAT REALLY POSSIBLE FROM A FREE SPEECH STANDPOINT, OR IS IT A SAFETY ISSUE? AND IN THAT REGARD, IN YOUR SENSE, HOW SAFE WERE STAFF AND COUNCILORS THAT NIGHT? THERE HAS BEEN CONFLICTING VISIONS OR VERSIONS OF HOW SAFE PEOPLE EITHER WERE OR WEREN'T THAT EVENING. WHAT WAS YOUR SENSE OF THE SAFETY ISSUES? >> I WOULD SAY CITY EMPLOYEES LOOKED SCARED. THEY LEFT THE CHAMBERS PRETTY IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE MEETING WAS RECESSED, AND THEN WHEN THEY TRIED TO -- THEY CAME BACK WHEN SANCHEZ TRIED TO RECALL ORDER, AND LEFT QUICKLY AGAIN. SO I DID SEE SOME FEAR, IT LOOKED LIKE TO ME. PERSONALLY, I DID NOT FEEL THREATENED OR SCARED. THERE WERE A LOT OF, IT LOOKED TO ME, A LOT OF COLLEGE TYPE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE. THESE WEREN'T PEOPLE WHO MADE ME FEEL UNSAFE.

BUT IT WAS -- YOU KNOW, THERE DEFINITELY WAS THE POTENTIAL FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN IF THERE HAD BEEN ANOTHER SPARK BEYOND JUST THE CITIZENS ARREST. IF OFFICERS HAD COME IN AND STARTED CARTING PEOPLE OUT IN HANDCUFFS, IT COULD HAVE BEEN -- IT COULD HAVE TURNED VIOLENT. BUT PERSONALLY, I DIDN'T FEEL UNSAFE. IT SEEMED TO ME PRETTY CLEAR THAT THEY HAD A DEMONSTRATION THEY WANTED TO MAKE, THAT INCLUDED TAKING OVER THE DIAS AND HOLDING A SERIES OF VOTES, AND THINGS CALMED DOWN. THEY DIDN'T STAY IN THE CHAMBERS ALL THAT LONG, EITHER. THEY ENDED UP LEAVING AFTER ABOUT A HALF HOUR OR 40 MINUTES. >> IN YOUR REPORTING, BY THE WAY, AND WE HAVE TO WRAP UP HERE IN A SECOND, BUT IN YOUR REPORTING, I FOUND IT INTERESTING THAT A LOT OF THE COUNCILORS AFTER THE FACT WERE MINGLING WITH THE CITIZENS AND TALKING AND TRYING TO TALK IT OUT. THAT'S AN INTERESTING LITTLE WRINKLE. DAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING IN TO TALK ABOUT

THIS. IT WAS FASCINATING. IT'S BEEN AROUND THE COUNTRY. SO TO GET A LITTLE MORE INSIGHT REALLY IS VERY, VERY HELPFUL. COMING UP, OUR NEXT CANDIDATE INTERVIEW, ATTORNEY GENERAL GARY KING. HAPPENING WITH THE DEMOCRATS IS SINCE IT'S A FIVE-PERSON RACE, THERE ARE FIVE CANDIDATES THAT DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF NAME RECOGNITION, AND THE MONEY IS IN MANY WAYS TIED TO THE NAME RECOGNITION. >> GARY KING SERVED FOR 12 YEARS IN OUR STATE LEGISLATURE AND RAN FOR CONGRESS IN 2004, LOSING TO STEVE PEARCE, BEFORE BEING ELECTED ATTORNEY GENERAL IN 2006. HE IS THE SON OF THE LATE BRUCE KING WHO SERVED THREE NONCONSECUTIVE TERMS AS GOVERNOR, AND GARY KING ANNOUNCED HIS CANDIDACY FOR GOVERNOR IN 2012, MARKING THE THIRD TIME HE'S RUN FOR THE STATE'S HIGHEST OFFICE. >> GARY KING, ATTORNEY GENERAL, NOW GOVERNOR CANDIDATE.

LET'S START WITH EDUCATION IN THIS STATE. >> THANKS, MARTHA, YES. >> WE HAVE THE LOWEST GRADUATION RATE. WE'RE CERTAINLY IN THE LOWEST TIER. AND YOU HAVE SAID WE'RE OVERTESTING KIDS. BUT THERE HAS TO BE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY. LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD DO TO CHANGE THAT, PARTICULARLY IN REGARD TO THIS GRADUATION RATE THAT WE REALLY NEED TO BRING UP. >> AGREED. YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS IN THE PROGRAM THAT WE CALLED THE FAMILY FOCUS CENTER. WE WERE NEVER ABLE TO PUSH THAT INTO ALL THE SCHOOLS. IT WAS A PILOT PROGRAM, AND IT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL. BUT THE IDEA BEHIND THAT PROGRAM, AND CERTAINLY THE IDEA THAT I WOULD HAVE AS GOVERNOR, IS TO DO SOMETHING THAT GETS PARENTS MORE INVOLVED, AND THE FAMILY FOCUS CENTERS HAVE PARENT VOLUNTEERS IN THE EVENINGS. IT GETS PARENTS AND TEACHERS TOGETHER, IT GETS STUDENTS SCHOOL THAT ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT KEEP THEM EXCITED AND GOOD LEARNERS. SO FOR GRADUATION RATES, PARTICULARLY, WE NEED TO

CHALLENGE OUR STUDENTS AND WE NEED TO KEEP THEM ENGAGED IN THEIR EDUCATION, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH ALL OF THIS STANDARDIZED TESTING, IS THAT IT'S REALLY BEEN A REAL MORAL PROBLEM NOT ONLY FOR TEACHERS, BUT FOR STUDENTS, AS WELL, WHO HATE TO COME TO SCHOOL WHEN THEY KNOW IT'S JUST ALL ABOUT BEING STANDARDIZED. >> BUT TALK ABOUT THAT BALANCE BETWEEN OVERTESTING. THERE DOES HAVE TO BE SOME WAY TO MEASURE HOW THEY'RE DOING. >> YES, AND I THINK THAT WE KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. I THINK OUR PROFESSIONAL EDUCATORS KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE TAKEN TEACHERS OUT OF THE SYSTEM OF ACCOUNTABILITY IN A LOT OF WAYS, AND SO -- YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH A GROUP OF TEACHERS WHO ARE WORKING ON NOT ONLY HOW TO MAKE THE STUDENTS ACCOUNTABLE, BUT ALSO HOW TO MAKE THE TEACHERS ACCOUNTABLE. THE TEACHERS THAT I KNOW ARE NOT OPPOSED TO SOME SORT OF EVALUATION. THEY ARE OPPOSED TO BEING EVALUATED BASED UPON HOW THEIR STUDENTS ARE DOING ON STANDARDIZED TESTING. SO A PEER EVALUATION SYSTEM

OF TEACHERS I THINK WILL I THINK THAT WE'RE LOSING OUR MASTER TEACHERS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ENGAGED IN THE SYSTEM, EITHER, AND SO OUR BEST TEACHERS ARE LEAVING THE STATE AND GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO WE NEED TO MAKE MENTORS OUT OF OUR MASTER TEACHERS. WE KNOW THAT IF TEACHERS ARE ENGAGED, THAT THE STUDENTS ARE GOING TO BE ENGAGED, AND SO RATHER THAN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW OUR STUDENTS ARE DOING, YOU KNOW, IN RELATIONSHIP TO EVERYBODY ELSE ON A STANDARDIZED TEST, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT OUR GRADUATION RATE. WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT WHETHER CHILDREN CAN READ IN THE 3rd GRADE, IN THE 4th GRADE, IN THE 5th GRADE. BUT IT'S NOT ALL JUST ABOUT THE METRICS, IT'S ABOUT DEVELOPING PROGRAMS THAT ARE DESIGNED TO HELP THOSE STUDENTS THAT DON'T READ WELL AT THE 3rd GRADE LEVEL TO CATCH UP WITH THEIR PEERS, AND THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO DO. >> WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE TEACHER PAY IS A PART OF THAT. I KNOW YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT TEACHER PAY. YOU WOULD RAISE IT. JUST QUICKLY TELL ME HOW QUICKLY YOU WOULD DO IT, AND

HOW YOU WOULD PAY FOR IT. >> SURE, AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF WAYS TO DO THAT. ONE IS, I WORKED WITH A GROUP THAT HELPED DEVELOP THE THREE TIER SYSTEM, WHICH WAS A SYSTEM THAT IMPROVED TEACHERS ABILITY AS THEY GAINED KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE TO MOVE UP IN THE SYSTEM AND TO IMPROVE THEIR PAY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FOUND WHILE I'VE BEEN WORKING HERE IS THAT -- I TALKED TO A SCIENCE TEACHER WHO WAS ABOUT TO GET HIS PH.D., AND IT TURNED OUT THAT IF HE GETS HIS PH.D., WHICH WOULD BE GREAT FOR THE STUDENTS, HE WOULD GET LIKE $5 MORE A PAY PERIOD IN HIS PAYCHECK. SO THOSE ARE NOT THE RIGHT KIND OF INCENTIVES TO GET TEACHERS TO WANT TO BE BETTER AND TO DO BETTER. WHERE DO YOU GET THE MONEY? I CERTAINLY HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS ON THIS PROPOSAL TO TAKE MONEY FROM THE PERMANENT FUND AND USE IT FOR EDUCATION, BOTH FOR EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION AND ALSO TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY -- IT'S ACTUALLY NOT MONEY FROM THE PERMANENT FUND, IT'S MONEY FROM THE FLOW OF MONEY INTO THE PERMANENT FUND. WE HAVE MONEY THAT COMES FROM ROYALTIES AND SUCH THAT FLOW INTO THAT.

BUT TO TAKE A SMALL PIECE OF THAT OFF AND DEDICATE IT TO EDUCATION. >> OKAY, LET'S MOVE TO THE ECONOMY. YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT GIVEAWAYS TO CORPORATIONS. YOU SAY THAT WHEN THE CORPORATIONS GET THE TAX BREAKS, THE PEOPLE HAVE TO MAKE IT UP. WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO CHANGE THE TAX STRUCTURE, PARTICULARLY IN REGARD TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? >> SURE, AND I THINK THAT WE REALLY -- IT'S TIME FOR US TO TAKE AN OVERALL LOOK AT OUR TAX STRUCTURE. OCCURRED WITH THE GOVERNOR'S TAX CUTS FOR CORPORATIONS THAT WERE PASSED TWO YEARS AGO IS THAT -- YOU KNOW, I SUPPOSE THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE SOME TRICKLE DOWN EFFECT, BUT I THINK THAT THE TRICKLE DOWN THEORY HAS -- WE'VE FOUND THAT THE TRICKLE DOWN THEORY DOESN'T REALLY WORK. SO I THINK THAT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THAT, TOO, IS THAT THE WAY THAT WE WERE PAYING FOR THAT IS WE'RE FORCING THE CITIES TO INCREASE THEIR GROSS RECEIPTS TAX, AND GROSS RECEIPTS TAX IS ONE OF THE MOST REGRESSIVE TAXES THAT WE HAVE IN NEW MEXICO. WE'VE DONE SOME THINGS TO TRY AND DEAL WITH THAT.

WE TOOK THE GROSS RECEIPTS TAX OFF OF FOOD. BUT WHEN I WAS IN THE LEGISLATURE, WE ACTUALLY HAD WHAT WAS CALLED THE LOW INCOME TAX REBATE. SO WE HAD A BROADER GROSS RECEIPTS TAX, BUT THEN WE HAD A REBATE SYSTEM FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE AT LOWER INCOMES TO HELP THEM OFFSET THAT. SO WE'VE GIVEN UP ON ALL OF THOSE SORT OF FORWARD THINKING TAX IDEAS, AND NOW WE'RE JUST IN THIS IDEA WHERE IF WE LOWER THE UPPER TAX RATES, THAT THAT'S GOING TO SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S TRUE. SO I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR TAX STRUCTURE. I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT JOB CREATION, SPECIFICALLY THE STATE IN POVERTY RATE, WE ARE THE SLOWEST IN RECOVERING JOBS FROM THE RECESSION. >> YES. >> SO HOW SPECIFICALLY WOULD YOU ADDRESS THAT DUAL PROBLEM; HIGH POVERTY, NOT ENOUGH JOBS? >> WELL, I THINK THAT OUR FOCUS SHOULD BE ON SMALL BUSINESS IN NEW MEXICO. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF FOCUS IN THE PAST YEARS HAS BEEN ON

TRYING TO BRING IN, YOU KNOW, THE BIG WHALE, THE 'A' CORPORATION THAT BRINGS IN 6,000 JOBS. AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT. I MEAN, INTEL HAS BEEN A BIG ECONOMIC DRIVER IN NEW MEXICO. MY FATHER ACTUALLY HELPED RECRUIT INTEL TO NEW MEXICO. BUT I THINK THAT IF WE FOCUS JUST ON THAT AND FORGET SMALL BUSINESS, THAT WE'RE MAKING A HUGE MISTAKE IN NEW MEXICO. SO MY PLAN WOULD BE TO INCREASE OUR -- YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THIS PROGRAM NOW THAT'S A JOB TRAINING PROGRAM WHERE WE HELP BUSINESSES IN THE FIRST YEAR IF THEY HIRE NEW EMPLOYEES, TO PAY PART OF THE SALARY OF THOSE EMPLOYEES, OR PART OF THE TRAINING COSTS. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY EXPAND THAT SO THAT IT COVERS THREE YEARS INSTEAD OF ONE YEAR. THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE COMPANIES TO STAY HERE AND NOT JUST TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT FOR ONE YEAR AND THEN LEAVE. >> WOULD YOU DO A CLAWBACK IF THEY DID LEAVE? >> I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE CLAWBACK LANGUAGE THERE IF THEY DO LEAVE. I THINK THAT THE COMPANIES THAT COME, WE SHOULD WANT THEM -- IF WE'RE GOING TO BE DEDICATED TO THEM, THEY SHOULD BE DEDICATED TO US. SO I DO THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT. I THINK THAT DEVELOPING

PROGRAMS IN OUR UNIVERSITIES AND IN OUR COMMUNITY COLLEGE SYSTEMS, SO THAT WE'RE CREATING YOUNG PEOPLE THAT HAVE HI-TECH JOB SKILLS, IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT. WE'VE KIND OF DONE THAT IN THE MOVIE INDUSTRY. WE NOW HAVE TWO OR THREE PROGRAMS IN OUR UNIVERSITIES THAT TRAIN PEOPLE TO BE, YOU KNOW, THE TECHNICAL PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THE MOVIE INDUSTRY, AND WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN THAT, AND IN THE TELEVISION INDUSTRY. BUT WE CAN DO THAT IN AEROSPACE, WE CAN DO THAT IN ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SOURCES, WE CAN DO THAT IN A LOT OF PLACES TO GENERATE THOSE FOLKS. >> WELL, QUICKLY, THE MINIMUM WAGE, YOU'VE SAID YOU WANT TO RAISE IT. YOU HAVEN'T SAID HOW MUCH. WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH THAT? >> WELL, I'M A PRAGMATIST, THE MINIMUM WAGE, AND I THINK THAT A $10 MINIMUM WAGE IS SOMETHING THAT'S ACHIEVABLE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD GIVE UP ON -- FOR INSTANCE, THIS LAST YEAR, OR TWO YEARS AGO, THE LEGISLATURE INCREASED THE MINIMUM WAGE TO $8.25. THE GOVERNOR VETOED THAT. I THINK THAT WAS A MISTAKE ON THE GOVERNOR'S PART. IF WE CAN BRING IT UP IN A REASONABLE WAY, THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO DO THAT.

>> LET'S MOVE OVER TO THE SOCIAL JUSTICE ISSUES, WHICH YOU DO ADDRESS ON YOUR WEBSITE. YOU MENTIONED THE ALBUQUERQUE BALLOT MEASURE AND THAT YOU HELPED DEFEAT THAT, BUT YOU DON'T MENTION THE WORD ABORTION AT ALL. ARE YOU PRO CHOICE? >> I AM PRO CHOICE. >> OKAY. >> AND ACTUALLY, I HAVE A HISTORY IN THE LEGISLATURE. I ACTUALLY CHAIRED WHAT WAS CALLED THE CONSUMER PUBLIC AFFAIRS COMMITTEE, AND SO WE PRETTY MUCH HAD ALL OF THE ABORTION BILLS, ALL OF THE EQUAL RIGHTS KIND OF BILLS, SAME SEX MARRIAGE. IN THOSE DAYS, IT WASN'T SO MUCH ABOUT MARRIAGE AS IT WAS ABOUT JUST EQUAL TREATMENT UNDER THE HUMAN RIGHTS ACT. SO I HAVE A VOTING RECORD ON ALL THOSE, AND PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT MY VOTING RECORD. >> PAY EQUITY, OF COURSE, IS ALSO A SOCIAL JUSTICE ISSUE. SO IS SEX DISCRIMINATION IN PAY. >> YES. >> I KNOW OUR OFFICE HAS BEEN SUED OVER THAT. IT'S BEEN PLAGUED WITH PROBLEMS. YOU DID DO A SETTLEMENT WITHOUT ADMITTING ANY GUILT. YOU DID REFUSE TO RELEASE ANY RECORDS ON THAT CASE. AS GOVERNOR, HOW WOULD YOU DEAL WITH THE GENDER PAY

GAP? >> SURE. AND ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, WHEN YOU SAY THAT THE OFFICE HAS HAD PROBLEMS, THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT TRUE. I'VE BEEN SUED, BUT RECENTLY THERE WAS ONE OF THOSE CASES THAT DID GO ALL THE WAY IN TRIAL, AND THE COURT RULED SPECIFICALLY THAT THERE WAS NO GENDER INEQUITY IN MY OFFICE. SO I ACTUALLY HAVE A COURT RULING THAT LOOKED AT MY OFFICE AND SAID THAT THERE WASN'T. WE SETTLED TWO OF THE OTHER CASES BECAUSE, FRANKLY, IT WAS FINANCIALLY REASONABLE TO SETTLE THOSE CASES. BUT THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANY GENDER INEQUITY IN MY OFFICE. THE TOP PROSECUTORS IN MY OFFICE, THE TOP MANAGEMENT IN MY OFFICE, HAVE BEEN PRIMARILY WOMEN, SO OUR OFFICE HAS BEEN REALLY GOOD ON THOSE ISSUES. >> YOU'RE BEHIND IN FUNDRAISING, YOU HAVE THE HIGHEST RECOGNITION IN NAME, AND YOU'RE AHEAD IN THE POLLS. ARE YOU GOING TO WIN? >> I INTEND TO WIN BOTH THE PRIMARY AND THE GENERAL ELECTION. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GARY KING. >> THANK YOU. MONEY HAS BEEN MADE

AVAILABLE TO UNIVERSITIES, THEY HAVE BEEN FORCED TO PUSH COSTS OFF ON STUDENTS. STUDENTS THEN TAKE OUT LOANS, AND THOSE BECOME LONG-TERM FINANCING OF OUR UNIVERSITIES. >> TENSIONS WERE ALREADY RUNNING HIGH OVER THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHEN OFFICERS SHOT AND KILLED A MAN LAST WEEKEND WHO WAS BARRICADED GUNS. THIS SPARKED A ROWDY PROTEST ON MONDAY NIGHT THAT SHUT DOWN THE ALBUQUERQUE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. NO ONE WAS ARRESTED, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK-AND-FORTH THE DAY AFTER THESE EVENTS BETWEEN THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE ABOUT WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO BE WATCHING THESE THINGS AND SANCTIONING ANY ARRESTS, IF THEY HAD OCCURRED. NOW, AS WE TAPE OUR SHOW ON THURSDAY, COUNCIL PLAN TO RECONVENE ON THURSDAY NIGHT. WHICH WOULD BE LAST NIGHT, OF COURSE, TO ADDRESS SEVERAL PROPOSALS ON THE CHIEF OF ALBUQUERQUE POLICE'S POSITION, AND REFINANCE THE CITY'S DEBT. THE COUNCIL HAS ALSO ISSUED NEW RULES MEANT TO PREVENT MORE SUCH DISRUPTIONS. WE'LL GET INTO THAT. JOINING US TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND OTHER NEWS OF THE WEEK, ONE OF OUR LINE REGULARS, ROB NIKOLEWSKI OF THE NEW MEXICO WATCHDOG.

ANOTHER LINE REGULAR IS BACK AT THE TABLE, DANIEL FOLEY, FORMER HOUSE MINORITY WHIP. ALSO BACK WITH US THIS WEEK IS LINE REGULAR, ATTORNEY SOPHIE MARTIN. AND WE VERY MUCH WELCOME BACK FORMER LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR DIANE DENISH. NOW, SOPHIE, PROTESTORS TRIED TO MAKE A CITIZENS ARREST OF THE CHIEF. LET'S JUST CLEAR UP A LITTLE LEGAL THING HERE; IS THAT ACTUALLY POSSIBLE? CAN CITIZENS ACTUALLY -- >> CAN YOU DO A CITIZENS ARREST? >> YES. >> I THINK IT'S CHALLENGING, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY. AND PARTLY BECAUSE WE DO ALSO HAVE LAWS THAT SAY IF YOU LAY HANDS ON AN OFFICER, AND THE CHIEF CERTAINLY IS ONE, THEN THERE ARE PENALTIES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING, THOUGH, IS THAT THE SPOKESPEOPLE FOR THAT GROUP SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS LARGELY SYMBOLIC, WE DIDN'T THINK WE WERE ACTUALLY GOING TO ARREST ANYBODY. SO I THINK AS A SYMBOLIC STATEMENT, A CITIZENS ARREST HAS SOME RELEVANCE. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SORT OF KNOW WHAT THAT IS. IT'S A STRONG STATEMENT. DOES THAT HELP YOU ON THAT ISSUE? NONLEGAL ISSUE.

>> EXACTLY RIGHT. I'LL GET RIGHT TO THE FACTS OF THE MATTER. AGAIN, AS WE TAPE THIS, WE DON'T HAVE THE FACTS OF THE THURSDAY NIGHT CITY COUNCIL MEETING, BUT WE HAD INTERESTING MONDAY NIGHT MEETING SHENANIGANS, MEANING PEOPLE TOOK OVER. THE CITIZENS NEEDED TO BE HEARD, IN THEIR POINT OF VIEW. WHAT GOT SERVED IN THAT MEETING? DID THE BALL MOVE FORWARD IN SOME WAY ON THIS APD THING? FORWARD. >> WHY? >> THE PROTESTERS WERE ABLE TO GET WHAT THEY WANTED, WHICH WAS A LOT OF ATTENTION, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ANYTHING REALLY CONSTRUCTIVE HAPPENED THERE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I'M NOT UP IN ARMS WITH WHAT THEY DID. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONTROVERSY BACK AND FORTH. THEY'RE TAXPAYERS. THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE THEIR OPINIONS. IT WAS POLITICAL THEATER AT ITS HIGHEST, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT GOT ANYTHING DONE. AND I THINK THAT'S -- AT THIS POINT, WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS, LET'S TRY TO FIND SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE SO THE CITY CAN MOVE FORWARD. AND I DON'T THINK THAT HAPPENED ON MONDAY.

>> DIANE, GOOD TO SEE YOU. THANKS FOR COMING IN, AS ALWAYS. >> THANK YOU. >> I HEAR ROB'S POINT, AND OTHERS THAT WOULD SAY THE SAME THING. ARE WE AT THAT POINT FOR A RATIONAL SIT-DOWN DISCUSSION, OR ARE WE STILL AT THAT POINT WHERE FOLKS NEED A POUND OF FLESH HERE? BECAUSE A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE BEEN AGGRIEVED FOR A LONG TIME, AND THIS IS HOW PEOPLE WITHOUT POWER EXPRESS THEMSELVES. AND THE REACTION TO THAT HAS I'M CURIOUS AS TO YOUR REACTION. >> I CERTAINLY THINK THAT WHAT HAPPENED AT THE CITY COUNCIL TAKE-OVER, SO TO SPEAK, WAS AN EXPRESSION OF THE BUBBLING FRUSTRATION. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE ROOM, THESE AREN'T CRAZY PEOPLE. THESE ARE OLDER PEOPLE, SENIORS, LOTS OF PEOPLE LIKE THAT. WHAT I FOUND INTERESTING IS TWO THINGS. IT'S REALLY A COLLAPSE OF CITY GOVERNMENT. THE COUNCIL WAS STANDING AROUND WITH NO IDEA WHAT TO DO. THE MAYOR'S ABSENT. THE CAO IS ABSENT. THOSE KINDS OF THINGS -- NOBODY WAS STEPPING IN TO KIND OF TAKE CHARGE OR SAY, OKAY, WE'RE JUST GOING TO WAIT HERE UNTIL YOU'RE THROUGH WITH THAT, OR IF THERE'S ANY MORE DISRUPTION, WE'RE GOING TO CALL IN THE AUTHORITIES.

NO ONE REALLY STEPPED FORWARD TO DO THAT. SO I THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF A SYMBOL OF WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE CITY LEVEL. AND ON ANOTHER LEVEL, I THINK IT'S VERY ODD THAT THE WAY THE CITY COUNCIL'S REACTING, RATHER THAN THINKING MORE ABOUT HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS THAT HAVE BROUGHT US TO THIS LEVEL, THEY'RE IMPLEMENTING A SET OF NEW RULES ABOUT HOW NOT TO HAVE A DISRUPTIVE COUNCIL. TO ME THAT SAYS THEY'RE OUT OF TOUCH WITH WHAT'S GOING ON, TALKING ABOUT WE LOST THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET A CERTAIN KIND OF -- WE LOST BASES POINTS. WE'VE LOST $25 MILLION IN POLICE LAWSUITS. WHETHER IT'S OUR INSURANCE COMPANY OR NOT, PEOPLE KNOW THAT THOSE THINGS ARE HAPPENING. SO I FIND THAT TO BE AN EVEN FURTHER INDICATION THAT THERE IS KIND OF THIS COLLAPSE OF LEADERSHIP AND AN ABILITY TO TAKE CONTROL OF THE SITUATION AND DO ACTUAL PROBLEM-SOLVING. >> RIGHT. THERE'S A FAMOUS SAYING, DAN, AMONGST POLITICAL PEOPLE, YOU GUYS ALL KNOW THIS: POLITICIANS DO ONE OF TWO THINGS - ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, OR

OVERREACT. IS THIS AN OVERREACTION? AGAIN, WE'RE NOT PRIVY TO HOW THE MEETING WENT LAST NIGHT, SO TO SPEAK. (ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE) >> I'M CURIOUS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE SIGNS, ABOUT NO SIGNS. 1ST AMENDMENT ISSUES? SQUELCHING OF FREE SPEECH? 1ST AMENDMENT ISSUES? SQUELCHING OF FREE SPEECH? WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> I THINK WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS HOPING TO AVOID, YOU KNOW, HAVING SIGNS THAT ARE DISRUPTIVE, TAKING THE VIEW FROM OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE CHAMBERS WATCHING. ALSO HAVING TO DEAL WITH THE LANGUAGE THAT COULD BE ON A SIGN, OR WHAT'S ON A SIGN. I THINK THAT DIANE RAISES A GREAT POINT, THOUGH. I THINK -- AND IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT I'M GOING TO BLAME THE COUNCIL, PER SE, I'M GOING TO BLAME THE FOLKS TO SOME EXTENT THAT DID THIS, BECAUSE THEY'RE DIMINISHING THE VALUE OF WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. THEY WERE ALLOWING THIS -- >> IN WHOSE EYES? I'M CURIOUS. >> I THINK IN THE PUBLIC'S EYES. >> LET ME ASK YOU, AGAIN, WHY SHOULD THEY CARE? WHY SHOULD THEY CARE? THEY'VE GOT A VERY SPECIFIC SET OF GRIEVANCES THAT THEY WANT TO GET INTO. >> YEAH, BUT WHAT IS THEIR

AGENDA? IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THEIR AGENDA IS THEY WANT TO FIX IT. IF THEY WANT TO FIX IT, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE MOVING DOWN THAT PATH. THEY'RE MOVING DOWN A PATH THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SAY ALL OF THEIR PROBLEMS AREN'T GOING TO BE TAKEN SERIOUS, THEY'RE DOING POLITICAL THEATER, WHEN I THINK THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY -- >> WHY WOULD THAT BE THE NATURAL OUTCOME OF POLITICAL THEATER? WHY IS IT A NEGATIVE AUTOMATICALLY? >> I THINK THAT WHEN YOU'RE DISRUPTIVE, I THINK THAT WHEN YOU'RE PREVENTING PEOPLE FROM GETTING THE WORK DONE, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WOULD GET ANY WORK DONE AT ALL, THE PERCEPTION IS THAT YOU WERE DISRUPTIVE, YOU INTERFERED WITH THE PROCESS, AND PEOPLE WILL THEN DIMINISH THE VALUE OF WHAT YOU BRING TO THE TABLE. TO ME, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE OCCUPY WALL STREET FOLKS. THEY HAD A LOT OF GOOD POINTS, A LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY'RE RIGHT ON, BUT IT'S THEIR DELIVERY THAT MAKES PEOPLE SAY, I DON'T WANT TO LISTEN TO YOU. >> I HEAR YOU. LET ME GO TO SOPHIE. THIS IS NOT A BUSINESS MEETING. THIS IDEA OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN TRAUMATIZED SHOULD SUDDENLY WALK INTO A MEETING WITH LIKE A BUSINESS MEETING TYPE APPROACH, I DON'T GET THE DISCONNECT HERE BETWEEN HOW PEOPLE REACT WHEN THEY'RE TRAUMATIZED VERSUS NOT. >> IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE

MESSAGE THAT THIS GROUP, AND I CERTAINLY CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT THE MESSAGE THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO PUT ACROSS AND THE MEANING THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO BRING TO THEIR ACTIONS IS, THIS IS URGENT, THIS IS IMPORTANT, IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO PUT OURSELVES ON THE LINE. THERE WERE PEOPLE IN THAT GROUP WHO WERE WILLING TO BE ARRESTED. THEY'RE RAISING THE PROFILE, CERTAINLY NATIONALLY, THEY'VE ONCE AGAIN RAISED THE PROFILE OF THE DISCUSSION, NOT NECESSARILY THE TONE, BUT ARE SAYING, LIKE, THIS IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH THAT WE'RE WILLING TO SACRIFICE IN ORDER TO GET THE DISCUSSION HEARD. AND I THINK TO DAN'S POINT, I THINK THERE IS A REAL CONCERN THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS NOT ACTED IN THE PAST AND WAS NOT PLANNING ON ACTING AT THAT MEETING, AND MAY AGAIN NOT ACT. SO BRINGING THAT KIND OF HEIGHTENED PROTEST TO THE EVENT, WHETHER THAT'S CONSIDERED POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE, CERTAINLY DEPENDS ON YOUR OUTLOOK ON THE ENTIRE SITUATION. I MEAN, YOU BROUGHT UP

OCCUPY, AND I IMMEDIATELY, AS WELL, ON TOP OF THAT, THOUGHT OF THE TEA PARTY. SO THOSE ARE GROUPS TO THE RIGHT AND LEFT THAT USE POLITICAL THEATER TO GET THEIR POINTS ACROSS. THE POINTS STILL GET ACROSS, AND IF YOU ARE GENERALLY IN SUPPORT OF THE TEA PARTY'S MESSAGE, THEN YOU DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT'S DISRUPTIVE. IF YOU'RE GENERALLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS GROUP'S MESSAGE, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR COMPARING THE TWO, BUT IN THE THEATER -- >> THAT'S A REASONABLE COMPARISON. IF YOU'RE GOING TO WALK AROUND WITH A NINE MILLIMETER STRAPPED TO YOUR DOG IN PROTEST, AND YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT -- THAT HAPPENED IN OUR STATE WITH OUR TEA PARTY FOLKS, AND NOBODY HAD A COW ABOUT THAT. AND THEN SUDDENLY THE FOLKS WERE -- >> BUT MY POINT, GENE, IS THAT IF THE GOAL IS TO GO TO THE MEETING AND DISRUPT THE MEETING TO GET NATIONAL ATTENTION TO A PROBLEM AND HOPE SOMEBODY ELSE COMES UP WITH AN IDEA TO FIX IT, THEN THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL. >> I HEAR YOU ON THE FIRST PART, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAVE DESCRIBED THE SECOND PART, THE HOPEFUL PART. >> I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO DRIVE CHANGE AND YOU'RE WANTING POLICY TO BE

CHANGED, WHEN YOU ALLOW PEOPLE TO MOVE YOU TO THE SIDE AND SAY, YOU'RE A JOKE, IT'S A CIRCUS, THEN I THINK YOU'RE LOSING THE ABILITY TO MAKE THAT CHANGE. I WOULD HOPE THAT THESE PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP REALLY ARE TRYING TO MAKE POLICY CHANGES THAT ARE BETTER FOR ALBUQUERQUE. >> I THINK WHAT DAN'S MISSING, THOUGH, IS THERE HAVE BEEN SUCH A SERIES OF MEETINGS. THERE IS NO LACK OF GOOD IDEAS AND WAYS TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. THERE IS A LACK OF ACTION AND ANY ABILITY TO TAKE ANY ACTION BY ANYBODY. >> I AGREE WITH YOU, DIANE, I AGREE 100% ON THAT. I THINK THAT WE'VE KNOWN THIS PROBLEM EXISTED FOREVER. >> IT'S A NATURAL FRUSTRATION. I THINK THEY FELT LIKE MAYBE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO DO BUT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THEMSELVES. >> I WOULD AGREE. THERE HAVE BEEN PLENTY OF SIT-DOWN MEETINGS IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS. >> I WAS ALSO SURPRISED THAT THE COUNCIL WAS ACTUALLY SURPRISED AT THEIR FRUSTRATION. >> THAT WAS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST SHOCK TO ME. >> RIGHT. >> EVERYBODY ELSE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN BUT THEM. >> I WOULD SAY TO THAT GROUP FROM EARLIER, ON MONDAY, THEY DISRUPTED THAT MEETING, BIG DEAL IN SOME WAYS, BUT I THINK YOU'RE ALLOWED THAT

ONCE. >> WHY? >> IF THAT HAPPENS AGAIN -- >> WAIT, STOP THERE. WHY IS IT JUST ONCE? WHO MADE UP THIS RULE? >> I WOULD SAY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION. >> WHY IS THAT A TRUISM? >> BECAUSE YOU'RE IMPEDING PROGRESS, THAT'S WHY. >> RIGHT, BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE WHAT AMOUNTS TO A PROTEST, BUT WITHOUT ANY SOLUTION, THAT YOU CAN DO THAT, THERE'S A LOT OF FRUSTRATION, THERE'S A LOT OF ANGER OUT THERE, BUT AFTER, IF YOU DO THIS CONTINUALLY, OR CONTINUOUSLY, THEN YOU'RE -- >> I HEAR YOUR POINT, BUT THIS CLOTH THAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DETERMINING FOR OTHERS' BEHAVIOR IS BIZARRE TO ME. >> GENE, YOU'VE GOT TO -- >> I DON'T THINK THESE ARE ACTUALLY SOLUTIONS. >> RIGHT. >> THAT WAS NOT THE MOMENT AT WHICH THE SOLUTION WAS BEING DISCUSSED. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> THE PUSH FOR ACTION WAS WHAT WAS HAPPENING THERE. >> LET'S FINISH UP THERE. COMING UP, WE HEAR FROM ONE MORE GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE, AND THAT WOULD BE HOWIE MORALES. >> A NATIVE OF SILVER CITY, HOWIE MORALES GOT HIS DOCTORATE IN EDUCATION, AND TAUGHT SPECIAL EDUCATION IN

PUBLIC SCHOOLS. HE WAS ELECTED GRANT COUNTY CLERK IN 2004, AND WAS APPOINTED TO THE STATE SENATE SEAT OF THE LATE BEN ALTAMIRANO IN 2008. MR. MORALES THEN SUCCESSFULLY RAN FOR RE-ELECTION. HE'S A MEMBER OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE AND HAS FOCUSED ON EDUCATION ISSUES. >> HOWIE MORALES, EX-TEACHER, SITTING SENATOR, NOW CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR. LET'S START WITH EDUCATION, SINCE YOU ARE AN EX-TEACHER. YOU'VE GOT A PRETTY AMBITIOUS AGENDA, PARTICULARLY IN THE AREA OF PRESCHOOL, PRE-K, EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION. YOU SAY YOU WANT TO GIVE THAT TO EVERY CHILD IN THE STATE WHOSE PARENTS WANT IT. I THINK IT'S A GREAT GOAL, BUT IT'S GOING TO COST A TON OF MONEY. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR THAT? BE IMPORTANT THAT WE DO THAT WITHIN THE STATE. WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT RESEARCH SHOWS US, THAT'S REALLY WHERE IT'S AT IN CLOSING THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP. SO I THINK IT'S AN INVESTMENT THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT WITHIN THE STATE.

I'VE ALWAYS BEEN ONE THAT LOOKS AT ALL OPTIONS TO SEE, WHAT ARE ALL THE OPTIONS THAT WE CAN UTILIZED TO COME UP WITH THE FUNDING NECESSARY. WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT IT AS AN INVESTMENT RATHER THAN AN EXPENDITURE, AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE A KEY COMPONENT. MYSELF SITTING ON THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, I SEE WHERE WE SPEND A LOT OF OUR DOLLARS AND WHERE WE INVEST A LOT OF OUR EFFORTS. I THINK THAT WE CAN RE-PRIORITIZE SOME SPENDING TO HELP OUT IN THIS AREA. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO SEE A REAL BIG BOOST WITH FAMILY MEMBERS BEING ABLE TO GET TO WORK, ADDING TO THE INCOME OF NEW MEXICO. I BELIEVE WE CAN CREATE ABOUT 110 MILLION EXTRA DOLLARS THAT WOULD COME IN AND ASSIST US IN PAYING FOR SUCH A BOLD INITIATIVE LIKE THIS. >> WELL, WHEN YOU SAY REORGANIZE PRIORITIES, HOW SPECIFICALLY? I MEAN, ARE YOU GOING TO ROB SOMETHING TO PAY FOR SOMETHING? ARE YOU GOING TO GET NEW REVENUE? HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK? >> I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT A COMBINATION OF EVERYTHING. WE NEED TO SEE WHERE WE'RE SPENDING THE DOLLARS. ONE EXAMPLE IS I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE SOME OF THE DOLLARS FROM CYFD AND MOVE THEM MORE INTO FOCUSING ON EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION.

I THINK THAT CYFD IS UNDER PROTECTION AND ENFORCEMENT, REALLY NOT ON THE EDUCATION SIDE, SO THERE'S SOME DOLLARS THAT WE CAN MOVE RIGHT THERE. I ALSO BELIEVE AS FAR AS GENERATING REVENUE, IT'S GOING TO BE KEY, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL OPTIONS AS A POSSIBLE WAY TO BRING IN PARENTS TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEIR CHILD RECEIVE THAT QUALITY EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION. >> SPECIFICALLY IN REGARD TO EDUCATION, ARE YOU SPEAKING OF NEW TAXES? AND IF SO, WHAT KIND? >> I THINK THAT THOSE WOULD NEED TO BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION. NOW, DOES THAT MEAN THAT IT'S NECESSARILY GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE GO WITH? I THINK YOU LOOK AT ALL OPTIONS, AND I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK AT. WHETHER WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, ALCOHOL OR LOOKING AT TOBACCO SALES, IT'S AN INVESTMENT THAT WE, AS A STATE, ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT AND COME UP WITH THE BEST POSSIBLE SOLUTION. >> WE KNOW THAT YOU HAVE THE ENDORSEMENT OF THE AMERICAN FEDERATION OF TEACHERS, AND I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THEIR AGENDA AND YOUR AGENDA. I ASSUME THEY MATCH PRETTY CLOSELY. BUT SPECIFICALLY IN RELATION TO OUR HORRIBLE HIGH SCHOOL

GRADUATION RATE, WHAT'S THE PLAN? >> WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT, DURING MY TIME AS A SPECIAL EDUCATION TEACHER, I ALSO SERVED AS A TRANSITION COORDINATOR, SO I AM PROPOSING THAT WE LOOK AT -- WE DON'T REALLY LOSE THOSE STUDENTS IN THE 10th AND 11th GRADE LEVEL, WE REALLY LOSE THEM AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. AND HAVING A REAL TRUE PREVENTION PROGRAM FOR DROP-OUTS IS GOING TO BE KEY. A TRANSITION PROGRAM IS WHAT I PROPOSED TO MAKE SURE WE FOCUS AND WE FIND THEIR INTERESTS AND CAPTURE THOSE STUDENTS BEFORE THEY FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS WHEN THEY GET TO HIGH SCHOOL. WE SAW IT WORK IN THE AREAS WHERE I WAS AN EDUCATOR AT, AND I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO WORK FOR THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO, AS WELL. >> SO YOU BELIEVE THAT WE CAN BRING THE RATE UP PRETTY QUICKLY, OR IS IT GOING TO TAKE A WHILE? >> I BELIEVE WE CAN. WE HAVE GOT TO REALIZE THAT WE'VE GOT TO MAKE EDUCATION AS INDIVIDUALIZED AS POSSIBLE AND MOVE AWAY FROM THE STANDARDIZATION OF EDUCATION. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE AREA THAT I DO BELIEVE THAT

WE WILL BE ABLE TO INCREASE THOSE QUICKLY. BUT THE FOCUS HAS GOT TO SHIFT FROM MEMORIZATION AND THAT ROTE MEMORY SKILLS TO REALLY FINDING WHAT INTERESTS THAT STUDENT, HOW WE CAN INCREASE THEIR CAPACITY TO BE A WELL-ROUNDED STUDENT, AND HAVING A TRANSITIONAL PROGRAM GIVES US THE TOOLS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. >> WELL, SPEAKING OF DOING THINGS QUICKLY, LET'S MOVE TO THE ECONOMY, BECAUSE YOU SAY YOU WANT TO CREATE 200,000 NEW JOBS IN THE NEXT EIGHT YEARS. RIGHT NOW, AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE LAST IN JOB CREATION SINCE THE RECESSION, LOWEST IN THE NATION, BUT WE'RE THE HIGHEST IN POVERTY. SO CREATING 200,000 NEW JOBS SOUNDS LIKE QUITE A CHALLENGE. TALK ABOUT YOUR PLANS FOR DOING THAT. >> IT REALLY IS A CHALLENGE, AND THAT'S THE BOLD EFFORT THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE, BECAUSE GROWING UP HERE IN NEW MEXICO, I GET TIRED OF HEARING HOW WE'RE AT THE BOTTOM OF EVERY ONE OF THOSE MAJOR CATEGORIES IN THE COUNTRY. IT'S TIME THAT WE MAKE THE SHIFT AND WE REALLY FOCUS ON WHAT AREAS ARE WE GOING TO BUILD ON. THERE'S NO REASON WHY NEW MEXICO SHOULD BE 49th IN POVERTY LEVEL. THE REALITY OF IT IS WE HAVE MANY OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN OUR STATE IF WE CHOOSE TO MAKE THE INVESTMENTS. WHEN WE LOOK AT ISSUES LIKE RENEWABLE ENERGY

POSSIBILITIES TO PUT PEOPLE TO WORK, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE CAN ALIGN OUR UNIVERSITIES, OUR TRADE SCHOOLS AND OUR HIGH SCHOOLS TO PRODUCE THE WORKFORCE THAT ARE NEEDED. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN BUILD WITHIN THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO. WE HAVE OUR TOURISM THAT IS BIG AND BRINGS IN A HUGE INVESTMENT. BY INCREASING THE BUDGET IN THAT AREA, IT WILL GIVE US THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. BY TRIPLING OUR EXPORTS, THE GOOD THINGS THAT WE PROVIDE WITHIN OUR STATE AND GETTING THOSE OUT TO OTHER COUNTRIES, IT WILL ALSO BE BENEFICIAL. AND LET'S NOT FORGET THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE WITHIN OUR OWN STATE GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW THAT WE'VE APPROPRIATED. THOSE MONIES HAVE ALREADY BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR; YET, THEY'RE NOT GETTING OUT INTO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. THEY'RE NOT GETTING OUT INTO CAPITAL OUTLAY TYPE OF PROJECTS. >> IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S ANOTHER PART OF YOUR PLAN I REALLY WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT, AS WELL, BECAUSE IT ALL SORT OF FITS TOGETHER, AND THEN IT DOESN'T. YOU WANT TO RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE TO $11 AN HOUR

WITHIN THREE YEARS, WHICH IS PRETTY QUICK. NOW, AS WE KNOW, BUSINESS WILL SAY, WE CAN'T DO THAT, IT'S GOING TO KILL JOBS. SO ON THE ONE HAND, WE HAVE AN $11 MINIMUM WAGE ON THE TABLE IN YOUR AGENDA, ON THE OTHER HAND WE HAVE 200,000 NEW JOBS. GRANTED YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE EIGHT YEARS ON THAT AND ONLY THREE ON THE MINIMUM, BUT TALK ABOUT HOW THAT'S GOING TO ALL MESH TOGETHER. >> IT ABSOLUTELY MESHES TOGETHER IN A POSITIVE WAY, BECAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO PUT MORE MONEY INTO THE ECONOMY, MONEY THAT WE KNOW IS GOING TO STAY WITHIN OUR LOCAL CITIES WITHIN THE STATE. RESEARCH HAS SHOWN US THAT ACTUALLY BUSINESSES BENEFIT WHEN WE INCREASE THE MINIMUM WAGE. ULTIMATELY, WE WANT TO WORK TO A LIVING WAGE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WILL TAKE LONGER. BY 2017, I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN GET TO $11 AN HOUR. IT'S GOING TO BE A SHIFT IN FOCUS, THOUGH. WE HAVE OUR TAX STRUCTURE THAT'S SET UP REALLY TO BENEFIT INDUSTRIES THAT ARE COMING IN, OR INDUSTRIES THAT REALLY MAY NOT NEED THOSE TAX INCENTIVES AS MUCH AS OUR SMALL BUSINESSES DO. THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES WERE

THE ONES THAT REALLY WEATHERED THE STORM DURING THE RECESSION. THEY'VE INVESTED IN NEW MEXICO, AND I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED A TAX STRUCTURE THAT SHOWS THAT WE'RE INVESTING IN THEM. >> HOW WOULD YOU CHANGE THAT TAX STRUCTURE VIS-A-VIS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND BUSINESS? >> I WOULD SHIFT THE FOCUS AS PART OF THE INCENTIVES, AND PRIORITIZE THE INCENTIVES FOR THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES, THOSE LOCAL BUSINESSES WITHIN OUR STATE, AND PROVIDE THEM WITH THE ASSISTANCE THAT'S NEEDED WHEN THEY'RE PROVIDING THOSE EMPLOYEES WITH THE WAGES THAT THEY TRULY DESERVE. >> WELL, SPEAKING OF WAGES, WOMEN, OF COURSE, IN THIS STATE, MOST OF THEM WORK. WE JUST LEARNED THAT 30% OF THE WORKING MOMS WITH KIDS UNDER THREE YEARS OLD ARE IN LOW-WAGE WORK. WHAT WOULD YOU DO SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT SECTOR OF THE WORKFORCE? >> IT'S 2014. WE SHOULD MAKE SURE IN THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAVE THAT PAY EQUITY IS PART OF EVERYDAY LIVING. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, AND MY DAUGHTER HAS THE SAME OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THE SAME

WAGE THAT MY SON WOULD MAKE WITH THE SAME BENEFITS FOR DOING THE SAME JOB. AND I THINK WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE AND PROMOTE THAT AND CONTINUE TO DISCUSS THAT. I ALSO FEEL THAT IN DISCUSSION WITH THE EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION SIDE OF IT, BY ALLOWING A FREEING UP OF THAT PARENT THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO WORK OR TO FIND OTHER EMPLOYMENT WHILE THEIR CHILD IS GETTING EDUCATED AT THE EARLY STAGES IS SOMETHING THAT WILL REALLY BENEFIT OUR ECONOMY AND LONG-TERM BENEFIT OUR SOCIETY. >> NOW, YOU TALK ABOUT THE GENDER GAP, THE GENDER PAY GAP IN YOUR MATERIALS, AND YOU SAY YOU WANT TO ENFORCE THE PAY EQUITY LAW THAT SUSANA MARTINEZ SIGNED. HOW EXACTLY WOULD YOU DO THAT? >> AGAIN, I THINK THAT AS WE LOOK AND SEE, FIRST OF ALL WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, WE NEED TO LEAD BY EXAMPLE, AND WE START WITH STATE GOVERNMENT. WE GO AND WE DO WHATEVER AUDIT IS NEEDED, WHATEVER INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO BE PROVIDED FROM THE STATE PERSONNEL TO SEE, IS THERE A GAP, AND WHERE IS THAT GAP, AND HOW CAN WE ADDRESS IT.

ONCE WE DO THAT, THEN I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN GO ON AND WORK WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE BEING IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW. >> NOW, ON THE WOMENS AGENDA, WHERE DO YOU STAND ON ABORTION AND REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE? >> I ALWAYS BELIEVE THAT IT'S THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT OF THE WOMAN TO MAKE THE CHOICE THAT SHE FEELS IS IMPORTANT FOR HER OWN BODY, AND I'LL MAKE SURE AS GOVERNOR THAT ANY PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT COMES UP THAT WOULD THREATEN THAT, THAT I WOULD VETO ANY LEGISLATION, BECAUSE I BELIEVE STRONGLY IN THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE WOMAN TO CHOOSE. >> OKAY. WELL, WE'RE ALMOST OUT OF TIME, BUT I WANTED TO TALK JUST BRIEFLY ABOUT THE RACE, ITSELF. YOU CAME IN FIRST IN THE PREPRIMARY CONVENTION, QUITE A SURPRISE TO SOME PEOPLE, PROBABLY NOT TO YOU BECAUSE YOU DID IT. YOU'RE A LITTLE BEHIND IN FUND-RAISING. CAN YOU BEAT MARTINEZ? >> I'M CONFIDENT. I WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN INTO THIS RACE IF I DIDN'T FEEL THAT I COULD WIN, THAT WE CAN CHANGE THE DIRECTION OF OUR STATE. AND ON THE FUND-RAISING, WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING IS IN THE LAST REPORTING PERIOD, I ACTUALLY OUT FUND-RAISED THREE OF MY FOUR

OPPONENTS. I ACTUALLY ONLY HAD A FEW DAYS TO DO THAT, AND I WAS ABLE TO DO THAT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH HOWIE MORALES. >> THANK YOU. >> WE'RE 'ON THE CLOCK' NOW WHERE WE GIVE THIS GROUP A MINUTE TO REVIEW MORE STORIES FROM THIS WEEK'S NEWS. THE DEMOCRATIC GUBINATORIAL HOPEFULS CAMPAIGN FINANCE REPORTS ARE OUT, AND THEY SHOW THAT ALAN WEBBER HAS RECEIVED THE MOST FUNDS AT MORE THAN $800,000, ALTHOUGH HE HAS CONTRIBUTED OR LOANED HIS CAMPAIGN MORE THAN HALF THAT AMOUNT. HE IS FOLLOWED IN ORDER BY LAWRENCE RAEL, GARY KING, HOWIE MORALES, AND LAST, LINDA LOPEZ. MEANWHILE, GOVERNOR SUSANA MARTINEZ, WHO'S ALREADY GOT $4.2 MILLION IN HER CAMPAIGN TREASURY, WILL SOON BENEFIT FROM A FUNDRAISER TO BE HELD NEAR WASHINGTON D.C. WITH SOME HEAVY HITTERS FROM THE PARTY. ROB, EXCLUDING THE MONEY HE HAS GIVEN TO HIS CAMPAIGN, HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF OUT-OF-STATE MONEY OF ALL THE CANDIDATES. THAT'S THE PART THAT REALLY CAUGHT MY EYE. YOUR SENSE OF THAT ONE. >> WELL, $800,000 IS A DECENT AMOUNT OF MONEY. IT'S NOT MUCH IN COMPARISON TO -- >> WHY DON'T WE CALL IT $400,000. >> THAT'S RIGHT.

IT PALES IN COMPARISON TO WHAT THE GOVERNOR HAS. I THINK A LOT OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE DEMOCRATS IS, SINCE IT'S A FIVE-PERSON RACE, THERE'S FIVE CANDIDATES THAT DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF NAME RECOGNITION, AND THE MONEY IS IN MANY WAYS TIED TO THE NAME RECOGNITION. >> SURE. IS GETTING MONEY FROM MORTIMER ZUCKERMAN OUT OF NEW YORK FOR ALAN WEBBER, ARE THOSE KIND OF THINGS PROBLEMATIC? BECAUSE HE DOES TALK ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE RAISING MONEY OUT OF STATE. >> I DON'T THINK THEY'RE PROBLEMATIC AT ALL ANYMORE. I MEAN, I THINK IN YEARS PAST THOSE THINGS WERE PROBLEMATIC AS WE CAME INTO WHERE WE ARE NOW IN TERMS OF FUNDRAISING. IT'S INTERESTING TO ME THAT WHAT ALAN WEBBER RAISED WAS RIGHT ON PAR WITH LAWRENCE AND OTHERS, ABOUT WHAT HE RAISED IN NEW MEXICO, EVEN THOUGH HE RAISED MORE OUT OF STATE AND HE HAD MORE TO PUT IN PERSONALLY. BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING MUCH NAME RECOGNITION, PEOPLE FORGET THAT THE KING NAME HAS BEEN BUILDING ITS IDENTITY IN THIS STATE FOR OVER 40 SOME YEARS. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> AND THAT IS WORTH MORE THAN $4.2 MILLION. >> BUT WHY CAN'T MR. KING RAISE MORE MONEY?

>> I SORT OF QUESTION -- I THINK IT'S A QUESTION OF WHETHER HE'S TRYING, AND THAT I THINK IS CHALLENGING BECAUSE ONE OF THE REAL BENEFITS, SORT OF SIDE BENEFITS OF GOING OUT AND RAISING MONEY, IS THAT YOU CONNECT WITH, AT LEAST IN THE STATE, WITH VOTERS, WITH ADVOCATES, YOU MAKE THAT CONNECTION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED LATER. >> INTERESTING. DAN? >> I MEAN, THE LEAST OF ALAN WEBBER'S PROBLEMS, I THINK, IN GETTING ELECTED AS GOVERNOR OF NEW MEXICO IS WHERE HE'S RAISING HIS MONEY FROM. I THINK THE PROBLEM IS, THE DEMOCRATS ARE RUNNING -- YOU LOOK AT ALL THE CANDIDATES THAT ARE RUNNING, AND THERE ARE SOME GOOD PEOPLE RUNNING. BUT $4.2 MILLION, A SITTING GOVERNOR WITH A 60% APPROVAL RATING, I JUST DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING, LET'S WASTE OUR MONEY TRYING TO TAKE DOWN SUSANA MARTINEZ. I THINK THAT MONEY IS GOING TO GO TO HOUSE RACES, SENATE RACES, AND TRYING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE LEGISLATURE. >> CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION ON DAN'S POINT THERE? IS IT A MAJOR PROBLEM THAT THE DGA HEAD SAID THAT NO MONEY IS COMING FOR A GUBINATORIAL CANDIDATE HERE? OR DO WE ANTICIPATE THAT CHANGING DOWN THE ROAD? >> I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY DISAPPOINTING TO THE CANDIDATES, BUT THERE'S STILL TIME UNTIL THE RACE.

AND WHEN THE RACE HEATS UP AND WE START TO SEE POLLING, WHEN THERE'S A REAL CANDIDATE OUT THERE AND NOT JUST ONE OF FIVE CANDIDATES, I THINK IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. BUT I WANTED TO JUST SAY SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT SOPHIE SAID ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE WAY YOU RAISE MONEY THESE DAYS DOES NOT CONNECT YOU TO VOTERS. YOU DO IT OVER SOCIAL MEDIA. THESE LITTLE 20-PERSON FUNDRAISERS, YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY RAISE ENOUGH MONEY IN THESE SMALL FUNDRAISERS TO TRULY CONNECT. >> REMEMBER, GENE, THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE WROTE OFF BILL REDMAN, AND THEN WHEN THAT POLL CAME OUT WITHIN THREE WEEKS OF THE ELECTION SAYING HE WAS WTIHIN STRIKING DISTANCE, TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS SHOWED UP IN NEW MEXICO. >> AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT SAM BREGMAN WAS GETTING AT. IN ESSENCE, I HEARD HIM SAY, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM A REASON TO GIVE US MONEY, BASICALLY, IT'S ON US TO GET US CLOSE ENOUGH. NOW, NEW SUBJECT. TWO SCULPTURES WILL BE INSTALLED AT A MEMORIAL PARK ON THE GROUNDS OF THE NATIONAL HISPANIC CULTURAL CENTER. A MODERN ABSTRACT SCULPTURE HONORING VIETNAM VETERANS WAS ORIGINALLY CHOSEN OVER A TRADITIONAL MODEL DEPICTING PETE PADILLA AND MANUEL MORA, THE TWO VETERANS FOR WHOM THE MEMORIAL PARK IS NAMED.

BUT, THE FAMILIES OF THE MEN PROTESTED WANTING A STATUE OF THEIR SONS TO RESIDE IN THE REBUILT PARK, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE ORIGINAL PARK WAS RAZED IN '99 TO MAKE WAY FOR THE CULTURAL CENTER. DIANE, THIS COMPROMISE MAY COST MORE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS A WORTHY EFFORT IN THE LONG RUN FOR EVERYBODY CONCERNED. >> YOU KNOW, IF YOU KNOW THOSE FAMILIES DOWN THERE, YOU CAN UNDERSTAND HOW CRITICALLY IMPORTANT IT WAS TO THEM. BUT I WANT TO SAY, I THINK THIS SHOWED REAL LEADERSHIP ON THE PART OF THE NEW DIRECTOR OF THE HISPANIC CULTURAL CENTER. SHE WENT TO THE FAMILIES, SHE KNEW THERE WAS A WAY THAT IT HAD TO HAPPEN, AND, YOU KNOW, SHE REALLY CAME WITH, AS AN ATTORNEY -- YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY AS AN ATTORNEY, BUT SHE USED THAT NEGOTIATING BACKGROUND TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. I JUST THINK THAT'S A REAL COUP FOR HER. >> ROB, YOUR THOUGHT ON THIS ONE? >> I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA, BECAUSE AFTER ALL, THE PARK IS NAMED AFTER MR. PADILLA AND MR. MORA. >> VERY GOOD POINT. SOPHIE? >> AS MUCH AS I LOVE GOOD ART, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THE FEELINGS OF THE FAMILIES. >> I THINK THAT WE HAVE A

PROBLEM IN NEW MEXICO, AND WE HAVE HAD FOR A LONG TIME, THAT WE NAME SOMETHING AFTER SOMEONE, THEN A LITTLE TIME GOES BY AND WE SAY, WELL, WE'RE JUST GOING TO REDO IT UNDER SOMETHING ELSE. THERE WAS A REASON IT WAS DONE THAT WAY THE FIRST TIME. YOU HAVE TO HONOR AND RESPECT THE PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE WHO SACRIFICED. THAT'S WAY IT'S NAMED THE WAY IT'S NAMED, AND YOU NEED TO KEEP THEM IN MIND WHEN YOU'RE MAKING THESE DECISIONS. >> VERY MUCH SO. YOU GUYS WANT TO DO SOME 'ON THE CLOCKS' ONLINE? GOT SOME GOOD ONES. COST OF EDUCATION. FARMERS GETTING BETTER WAGES, FARMER WORKERS. I MEAN, STICK AROUND. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE, SEE YOU NEXT TIME. >> AS ALWAYS, ALL OF US HERE AT NEW MEXICO InFOCUS APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR EFFORT TO STAY INFORMED AND ENGAGED. CATCH UP WITH US ANY TIME ON SOCIAL MEDIA BY SEARCHING 'NEW MEXICO InFOCUS,' AND YOU CAN FIND ARCHIVED INTERVIEWS AND BONUS MATERIAL FROM OUR SHOWS ON OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL AND AT NewMexicoInFocus.org. I'M GENE GRANT, WE'LL SEE