Arthur J. Holland, mayor of Trenton ; Holland Tunnel

For me the major issues in your campaign what do you see to be the front running topics here. Well when. You're. In the home. Yeah I should have integration with. Us. OK we're not one of the seven 1811 16 I don't think we're OK. You mentioned in your we were discussing against taxes. Why do you think the new federalism and talk about how kind it's going to survive with less coming from less support coming from the left without a message going to be heard. Well could you identify what you what direction would plan to take the city here. Well let's just move your direction. A very serious situation and an indication

of. The extent to which the state will move in to compensate for federal cutbacks was given just yesterday when the governor announced the cutback in federal aid to education which will cost the city a million dollars. So the new federalism is ridiculous. Just. How is China going to cope. Well I'll tell you. The only thing it's saving us this year is the famous move taxes only just as I said earlier for the same position as that which has been taken over by the state. Patterson in Jersey City which are catastrophic that faces a lot of you know you told him to tell me. What essentially how are you going to cope rather you know I don't know. I don't know. Nobody knew. What do you think you're going. You can't lay off any more people. We've done that. What the state the nation are asking for is a takeover of the cities ultimately that could actually happen.

Unless there is tax reform in this state. The money is in this state. New Jersey depending on your statistical sources either 1 2 3 4 or 5 richest of the states in the nation on a per capita income basis. Problem is that the 500 cities of municipalities. Have socio economic imbalance. The disproportionate number of disabilities are in just about 30 urban communities like ours. And build up bedroom communities in Bergen and Cherry Hill ma while places like that. Are used to. You know they. Are not there's no problem. So in a state where uniform property tax which taxed people with burns called for on the basis of rate of those and distribute the money on the basis of need you'd have no problem. Used to Detroit have same problems. But we'd like to try to build up unused and they annex within 5 miles of the border. So the problems are lost in the

mess if we get a next large Township. Yes and squid and a few other choice rate of us. Would have no problem. Are you going to be making recommendations are you something right yours is going to come about. And everything. Forget it it's just. We're going to realistically study after study for disaster the state it so as a nation was built. If you stand up before the citizens of Trent knows that what you're going to know the status of the message and. The. Headlines and tell you how to be most right in front. I know but that's. The look I'm asking do you have a proposal for a solution. I just told you. OK but beyond that you said that's not feasible. Is there another way. There is no other way. No. So logically what is going to have to happen as a result when enough cities reach the position of killing them then the state will realize that it is indeed a problem. We're relatively well off and trust you with Patterson is facing this year almost a 200 point increase in the tax

rate an 11 percent cut across the board. That's what the situation is. And talk of mergers the city just the other just from the same thing in Jersey City about the tax situation and. It's bad obviously but again it will relatively well repair with Newark New Jersey city back him. Do you think it's going to go up. The sooner she just read the paper. OK. What about. Let's talk about the crime. You said that it went down three percent. Do you see any way of decreasing it any further. Not given a rising unemployment. There's a direct correlation between unemployment and crime. Do you see any way of changing the way the city operates its police department or. Are you satisfied with the state police. Being in Trenton.

You know. When they were here would you like to have them back. If that were possible. CORNISH. And. About the fire department. Your personnel for our division. We need more than we need we need help in every division. Every department every day for every division. And the money is going to have to come from. Do you recommend this that these increases be made. A few select no record. First we have a cap. You can spend if you could raise it. OK. What about the three state buildings those complexes they should be helpful. Are they coming. You might say to other people what state are there still was designed to. Do. Do you know when they may be coming up to be built as I think I'm going to be helpful. Couple years you know build a building with over

the city's housing situation. How would you evaluate it at this point. Well you know all of these questions are listed as missing. I know but that's some paper I'm trying to get on tape. We've been taking. The housing situation. Again with the federal cutbacks is very bleak. The three drug program was provided. Money for. Housing rehab. Is just gone. Less are some substitute program. Which there is now talk at least. The only source for that kind of program is the community development funding. That's been cut by. About $600000 as compared with the year before.

Probably hold to the two level but that doesn't account for inflation. What. Do you see as the prospects for adding any new units or renovating any new units in the city then for the next year. Well we'll do that on a limited basis as we have been doing. We have maybe homesteaders you know several years. Check the meeting at 11 o'clock this morning with people who want to do some rehab trip. Ok then I guess. The school board. That I guess was a major issue for a while. They elected versus the appointed. Well I think that issue has. Subsided in view of the better ratings the boards are getting from the State Department. So you're satisfied with the electives on the service what I think there should be a point or if. You'd rather return to it was. Your plan to push for that. You know

I've done it twice and people voted twice to keep the lights. Question. Is that at the top of the issues as you see them. I think you covered most of them. What about your major opponent. Lester. Well I think we can do is list the same problems I've listed and if he has any. Ideas. For assisting with a solution. I think we should put them forward he said. Almost a year ago when he announced that he didn't have any. He said grandiose ideas but he gave no. Ordinary suggestions either and I'm still waiting. In fact four years ago. They were criticized by opponents then. I said you please give us. One idea for assisting with the solution of our problems which we have not already implemented or not the process of them. You are not

planning to implement and I'm still waiting. OK thank you. You know Hardly. What I'd like to find out I guess is essentially you seem to paint a very bleak picture. Do you have sources other are there ways to stop someone were. You. Go into this little bit more and find out about the problems of NY current.

I think pesticides. Have. Been the focus of attention for about the last 10 years. Scientists in the public are now aware that there are a wide variety of other toxic chemicals you do. Beginning you were individuals who were exposed to the news in the workplace or through emissions from me. The actual manufacturing plant door from toxic waste disposal site. And I think. The fact that there are so many more chemicals involved now that people recognize is sort of diluted. The funding sources. And that. Will probably concentrate not so much on just pesticides or other toxic chemicals as well. I know EPA is still interested in looking at. From worker safety and protection whether or not they are pursuing the migrant issue or not. I don't know.

John. Thank you. Very. Much. You mentioned that they're critical. OK. You mentioned there were there were. There were. It was the work of. Cutbacks. Coming from. Washington. The idea was that New Jersey might be one of the programs that would be adversely affected. Now there is no such. Program when you look at the fact that Jersey decided to disband the point rather than operate with funds being the Word that. We had one officially was that New Jersey would be here. But a lot of the manmade laws.

Can be like. In simplest terms then you see the biggest problem of the church then is being what. To traditionalist. I don't think that the law of God made laws should stay God made laws. But I think that the youth are questioning more. And they deserve answers. And tromping should be done to get their interest in getting back into the church because that's going to be the future. For. Them. Right.

Thank you.