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Why is it when all of the rhetoric university campus this is a New Jersey network special report campaign aide to the Senate candidates forum. Today's forum is sponsored by the New Jersey League of Women Voters for the next 90 minutes the Democratic candidates for their party's nomination represent their views on the issues. The Republican candidates will have their opportunity at 4:00. Now here is the New Jersey League of Women Voters president John Crowley. Good afternoon. On Tuesday New Jersey voters will go to the polls to choose a Republican or a Democrat to run for the office of United States Senate in November. Next to the Presidency the Senate is the most prestigious and influential office in the country. And voters must make choices on an informed basis in keeping with its 62 year tradition of encouraging an informed electorate. The League of Women Voters is pleased to present this forum today so that voters may have valuate the candidates and learn their views on some of the issues.

The first segment of this forum features the Democratic candidates for Senate and will be moderated by Judy Alberts president of the Essex County interleague organization. OK Judy it's all yours. Thank you and good afternoon. With me today are the candidates for the Democratic nomination for U.S. Senate. And I would like to introduce them to you briefly at this time. Frank first and then Grier. Sir you're on now Lee Joseph Lafont. Frank Lautenberg. Richard McAleer briber Boggs sigmond and Angela King speaking order was determined just prior to the show by the casting of lots and I will give a brief introduction to each candidate before they have two minutes for an opening

statement. The information in their introduction was provided by the candidates. Each candidate will then have two minutes for an opening statement. I urge you please adhere to the timelines. There are late timer sitting in the front row who wave a card at you. Please no ands ifs buts or words and run on sentences. At this time I would also like to say that the order of speaking Number one was Howard Rosen who is not with us. Mr. Rosen was taken to overlook hospital at 2 a.m. this morning for diagnosis and treatment of a small but painful kidney stone. Doctors feel however that he will be released within the next 24 to 48 hours and he regrets missing this opportunity to express his views at the big forum today. I will however on Mr. Rosen's behalf write his introduction and a brief statement of his views. Mr Rosen is 54 years old a resident of Melbourne New Jersey. He holds a B.S. from Syracuse University and now I'll be from Harvard. He is an attorney and currently president of a major New York law firm. He was

the representative to the United Nations the deputy attorney general of New Jersey a member of the uniformed Law Commission a member of the Ethics Committee of the New Jersey Supreme Court chairman of the Family Service Association of New Jersey profession's chairman of the United Negro College Fund of New Jersey and a founding member and president of the committee for a responsive legislature is also a board member of the New Jersey of conservation legislation. And in his behalf I will read a brief statement. Jobs in order to provide jobs to New Jersey Howard Rosen has a three point plan that requires the federal government to reduce the massive deficits that have pumped up interest rates and caused widespread business bankruptcy. Cut military spending. It is possible to cut the defense budget without endangering the national security. We must insist that our allies pay a fair share for their defense. The United States contributes eighty one point nine billion dollars to NATO's last year. More than half of our military

budget and more than the Europeans spend to defend themselves. Western Europeans Meanwhile use their defense savings to invest in their industries which drove our workers to the unemployment lines. Eliminate corporate tax loopholes some large industries pay no income tax last year because they are allowed to buy tax credits from profitable companies who foots the bill. We do provide incentives to create jobs in the inner cities. We must bring jobs back to the cities where the people the transportation and the resources are. The federal government must give private industry reasons to locate in our cities including federal tax abatements and reimbursements for two years of job training. Nuclear weapons Howard Rosen believes in a verified international freeze on the production of nuclear weapons. But too many people forget that a freeze is only the first step in the negotiations toward a nuclear reductions and disarmament. Human rights the cornerstone that supports American life is the ideal that all citizens deserve equal treatment

before the law. Howard Rosen strongly advocates both the passage of the Equal Rights Amendment and the extension of an undiluted Voting Rights Act. Abortion. A woman must be free to decide whether or not she wishes to have children. Medicaid funding should be available. Crime. The United States spends almost 100 billion to defend Western Europe yet we spend less than 4 billion to fight crime in this country. The federal government must adopt the Kennedy road you know hand Bill Control Act so the criminals and lunatics will not be armed. Mass transit. And there's a stop sign and obeying my orders. I don't have to understatement there. Thank you. Our next speaker who is with us is Frank forest. He's 51 years old from James Park. He's business manager of local 1 9 4 of the International Federation of professional and technical engineers of the bell CIO. He's a former borough clerk and grants administrator was mayor of James Byrd for four

years. Middlesex county member of the Democratic State Committee and commissioner on the Public Relations Commission. He's founder and treasurer of the local six Federal Credit Union and vice president of the New Jersey State AFL CIO. Mr. Feist thank you Gertie and I want to thank the always for providing this opportunity to discuss the issues with them. I just returned from a meeting of the Iranian ship building workers of American Union up in Hoboken. I received a letter from their president for the more you records and invited to attend and participate in a forum. There now exists a very strong possibility the Bethlem steel will sell or close down its Hoboken shipyard with a loss of eight hundred workers to say a sale or close down of the ship guy would have a disastrous economic effect on these employees it would also have a serious financial effect on the city of

Hoboken as Bethlem Hoboken shipyard is a city second highest tax payer. Not to mention the effect on the hundred small business owners in this area. So here with 60 hours to go in the campaign I come right back and circle from where I started the problems of workers and the problems of one employee it is a major a serious problem throughout the state in the United States. I believe as I did when I stood up and when they closed the Ford plant to try to protest the import of foreign goods they were undermining the American economy that America has to respond to the free trade philosophies of the liberals and of the government to protect its industries and protect its jobs which is undermining the economy of the United States. Yesterday I was campaigning down in. The Triton at the Heritage Festival I ran into a steel worker he's been out of work for seven months. Some people say these people don't want to work they have to be put to work a fair trade

policy and a fair trade laws and protection of the American fleet and the subsidizing of American shipbuilding. Those things that will stir up their economy by the programs of Frank Forrest and I hope to be elected to serve the workers and the women of this country. Thank you. Our next picture is 43 years old from Hackensack graduated from Ridgewood High School Oberlin College and a Ph.D. from Harvard government. He was a U.S. congressman from 1975 to 1901. He is currently a productivity consultant. He served as advisor on political and security affairs to U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. I think he's a consultant to the Ford Foundation and other major U.S. companies on worker productivity. Mr. McGuire thank you Judy. The economy putting New Jerseyans back to work is clearly the first issue we've got to cut the deficit by going after the pork barrel

excessive military and agricultural expenditures tax giveaways and we've got to boost productivity and exports in order to put people back to work and to stimulate business activity in our state. Labor and management are in this together and we have to design a new and more cooperative ways of working on our economic problems. There are other overriding issues we won't have much of an economy if we go ahead and poison our workplaces our communities our air our water supplies. And we're going full speed backward in the United States and in New Jersey today on our commitments to clean air and clean water and other important environmental and health issues. And there's no economy of course or environment or life much worth living if we don't have the communities that are safe from the kind of crime that kills close up or if our world is consumed in a nuclear war we must stop

the upward spiral of nuclear weapons and seek significant reductions. In the United States of America we must have equal rights for women and for everyone. I'm proud that I've been endorsed by the National Organization for Women and the Women's Political Caucus in our state. And we don't want racial discrimination. We don't want the CIA snooping in the political beliefs of Americans. We need a Senate which is thoughtful finally on issues of international importance. It's wrong for our government to support a government in El Salvador which is killing its own people. And we've got to look to the Middle East now on the security of Israel and achieving peace there. We've got to be tough with the Soviet Union in the goatse ations but strong in pursuit of our national interests in such areas as Arms Control thank you time. Our next speaker Syriana rally. He's 39 years old from Paterson. He's a graduate of Don Bosco technical high school with a Bachelor of Science from Sam Houston

University. Continuing Education at New York School of printing and fairly Dickinson University and at wrecker's he's the sales director for Jersey business systems rise for eight years. Patterson councilman at large six years at Passaic County freeholder and his freeholder director. He spent three years in New Jersey ledges as a New Jersey legislative assistant and presently is chairman of the Patterson Economic Development Committee and the industrial pollution control Financing Authority. He is a member of the military academy review board for Congressman Robert Reich. Mr. General thank you. I'm running for the United States Senate as a free enterprise Democrat. That's not the kind of Democrat who fits the accepted mold of the past the kind of Democrat that thinks that government can be or should be the solution to every problem. I've always believed that economic sanity and human compassion can coexist in government. If people really want to make it happen. Paterson Councilman I established

Patterson's first economic development committee in aspecific County freeholder. I established the county's first economic development department the combined efforts of these two divisions of government. I've met an additional 5000 new private sector jobs and 50 million dollars to help small business exec span and that helped create a new private sector jobs a free enterprise Democrat realizes that the government does have a responsibility to fund those vital services to our seniors to our veterans and to our children and to the handicapped. That's why I started the Passaic County Senior Citizen housing agency. But free enterprise Democrat realizes that government does have limitations and should not be looked upon to be employee or supplier and landlord. A free enterprise Democrat realizes that the American people cannot be burdened by excessive taxation from a government that's too big too fat and unresponsive from the people that are supposed to serve. But most importantly a free

enterprise Democrat demands that the federal government balance its budget. That's one reason why I submitted my budget to President Reagan. Mine is different than his. It's balanced it's balanced by holding the increase in defense spending to 5 percent by cutting down on federal employment and by eliminating the tax decreases for the very rich and it actually restores those cuts made to our seniors our veterans our children and our handicap it truly illustrates the platform of a free enterprise Democrat. Thank you thank you. Joseph is 54 years old and resides in Jersey City. He attended Bayonne Technical High School and he is the owner of public nature which is located in Bayonne. He is a commissioner of the New Jersey Department of Community Affairs. He was a member of the New Jersey assembly from 1970 to 1978 serving as its majority leader from one thousand seventy four to nine hundred seventy five and one thousand seventy six is the speaker. It's a councilman in ban and a member of the Bayonne charter commission.

Like to straighten the record out first I'm 53 years old I'm born raised in residing in Bayonne I'm sorry I got from the sheet you gave Democrats yesterday and of course it was President but knowing candidates to say the least of nine different stripes. We have all every one of those strong feelings about the traditional Democratic issues. As most everyone knows there are many times we've all sounded alike on the jobs and the need for a more fair tax structure. How better to reduce the budget strong environmental protection care for all Americans nuclear freeze etc. and go on and on but the point is that out of this group here before you today we must not only select a good Democrat we need a good leader one who has proven leadership long with a record of productivity and performance at local state and federal level

one who can make tough decisions in tough times when tough decisions are called for. I'm proud of my record as a businessman as a councilman as a productive labor leader as one who is enjoyed positions of leadership right up to and including Speaker of the General Assembly as a congressman and governor cabinet. It is leadership that counts in times like these. That's why I'm glad to be at this forum and I thank the League of Women Voters for sponsoring it. You need the opportunity to sift through the campaigns and find out first hand just who does and does not embrace the good traditions of the Democratic Party. But more important you must select the candidate with a proven ability to go on to Washington to be a strong effective legislator to implement those ideals and to give the people of New Jersey a firm voice in national affairs. I've been a public servant for almost 22 years and I would like to continue in that vein.

Thank you thank you. Our next speaker Frank Lautenberg. And if the facts I were given were correct He's 58 years old and from Nutley He's a graduate of Nutley high school with a Bachelor of Science degree from Columbia University in economics. He is the chairman and chief executive officer of Automatic Data Processing incorporated and has had experience as the head of a major corporation. He has served as a commissioner on the New Jersey New York Port Authority. Notice how I put the order on that one. And he has also served as a national chairman of the United Jewish Appeal Stromberg. Thank you. Unemployment interest rates and business failures have reached heights not seen since the Depression. New Jersey needs a senator with experience and practical economics to help turn the economy around and that's why I'm running. The Republicans promise economic recovery and deliberate recession. The president brags that his program is working while business is pressed to the brink of ruin and workers take

pay cuts to save their jobs. That's not economic policy that's economic disaster. There is a better way we can fight inflation and have jobs and lower interest rates. Why can't we have growth instead of a recession at ADP. We've created 15000 jobs through 30 years of bad times and good times 4000 jobs right here in New Jersey and we continue to grow. We invest in what counts most people nationally that means educating our youth and training and retraining our workers. We're entering an era of high technology in our economy will grow only if the skills are there to make it happen. Also a new spirit must emerge manager and worker at ADP. Half our employees own stock in the company and share in its success. Our country needs that type of joint effort to compete in the world economy. We're overtaxing the middle class the wage earner and small business which produces most of the jobs and innovation. We must end the tax breaks and loopholes for the wealthy and giant corporations. Every one of

them must pay a minimum fair tax. We must reduce the budget deficit. Me we must do so without touching Social Security. We must stop wasting money on obsolete ships planes and nuclear overkill when we control the deficit. Then and only then interest rates will fall. The New Jersey economy is the issue and I want to face that issue head on. Thank you. Thank you. Our next speaker is Richard McAleer. Forty one years old I was grown he said. A degree from Jersey City State College and special education. He attended the University of Madrid in Spain and Stevens Academy in Hoboken. The teacher of the handicapped in this currently fleet leasing manager my fairway Ford Mr. McAteer thank you. The reason I'm running for the United States Senate is because I think there are too many millionaires too many lawyers and too many celebrities running our political system. Frank for I said I was up in the city of Hoboken today I don't think shipbuilders you

mean speaking on their behalf. Now I'm on a candidate yet I spoke with the vice president of shipbuilding and you know Beth I'm stealing that from Pennsylvania and he talked to me for an hour and a half and weighs exactly what the problem is one of the problems he mentioned was that Senator Bradley and from a Senate away he didn't give a damn about the shipbuilders and this kind of mistake. And I had mentioned to him that I sent out fines to my own Iraq and Senator Heinz in Philadelphia Pennsylvania. I want to put the USS Iowa and they have poor whites. I told them I am going to fight famously to put that ship and how about that and if it doesn't fit Now how about a yacht it sadly will fade and the bay on your side. And if that shipyard closes as Mr. Lautenberg said he employs 15000 15000 people just in the city of Hoboken alone. We're going down a drain. I don't want to see that happen and it's the second largest taxpayer in the city of Hoboken and it still leaves the power and about 10000 other allied industries are going to

do it. Now former congressman in that town wrote to the vice president and trying to get a lot of fun. And yet the guy called me up because my family tradition in the city of Hoboken I thought was a commission a giant in his family made under Frank a compliant Filipe So I come from a long line of political power and understanding of political power. I'm not afraid of it. I'm not awed by it and I'm going to fight for the citizens of New Jersey. Thank you. Thank you. Next is Barbara Bugg Sigman 42 from Princeton Shields a B.A. from Manhattan though college and is a graduate of Stone Ridge Convent of the Sacred Heart. She has served as a marshal County freeholder and a former president of the freeholder board. She's a homemaker. President of the New Jersey Association of Counties a director of the Princeton Bank and Trust vice president of the Mercer County League of municipalities. She's a trustee of rider college and of Manhattanville College. She was a councilwoman and Princeton Borough and chairwoman of the Public Works Department. She's a staff member for the Center for the American women

politics Eagleton Institute. The teacher store Country Day School and a member of the National Service Corp advisory group was formed this stuff. This is sickening. Thank you Judy. As Joe finally said we Democrats are pretty much in accord with each other. The question before the Democratic vote on Tuesday is who is the best qualified person to hold the Public Service office of the United States senator. I emphasize public service. I emphasize government. That's what we're talking about. I'm not talking about the business of business. True and proper aim is to make a profit. We're talking about government. I am the government professional in this race. I'm the one person who has had relevant and recent experience at the three levels of government that are very necessary to the U.S. Senate. And it's a sensible decision making day by day. Those levels are the local and county levels of government the state and national levels of government and the international levels of government. Right now when the president

before the Congress the question of transfer of responsibilities from the national level to the local level it is vitally necessary for the property taxpayers of New Jersey to have someone representing them a FAT table who has had the experience at the local level of government and knows how the transfer of those programs impact upon our local property tax. I've had experience at that level of government for 10 years as a councilwoman and as a freeholder and most recently as president of the New Jersey Association of Counties. I've also had state national experience not only through my family tradition but through my lobbying efforts at the New Jersey Association of Counties and the National Association and I've had experience on the international level of government and Latin America an area of the world which is bound to remain on the policymaking front burners for the next years to come on the only one who can offer those three levels a very vital experience as the Star-Ledger in front of me said she has a broad

diversified experience in an intimate political orientation with Washington politics. Thank you. Forty nine year old from Fairfield He's a graduate of St. Vincent's Academy in New York Seton Hall prep Seton Hall University and Seton Hall Law School. He is an attorney. The former New Jersey banking commissioner in the Essex County assistant prosecutor has participated in numerous civic and professional organizations and as president of the National Association of banking commissioners chairman of the New Jersey commission on ethical standards. Vice Chairman of the New Jersey Mortgage Finance Agency and a member of the Essex County Youth and rehabilitation commission. Thank you happy to be here. I want to thank you for give me this opportunity to be heard. I believe that this type of gives us an opportunity to look at the candidates to determine whether there was substance rather than just pure media hype. The two burning issues presently facing the nation

are the economy and crime I believe I have the background to handle both of those particular problems. As a former assistant prosecutor one of the highest conviction records in the history of the state and as banking commissioner and President National Association for two terms the New York Times and their editorial Friday reference to me stated I was fully moderate well-informed in financial matters but lacked the resources to make myself widely known. This for my hope gives me that opportunity. CBS 1 endorsing another candidate in reference to me said I had an impressive grasp of economic policy. The Star-Ledger indicate that high interest rates and crime are two issues emphasized by banking his campaign. These two issues especially well and I say that these two issues fit me well because I have the background and experience in those two particular areas. All the candidates refer to budget deficits as causing the high interest rates to a certain degree that's correct but they missed the point. High interest rates have been caused as a result of activities by the federal government 978 bringing about the advent of the six month money markets which doubled

the cost of funds to banks. It's quite clear that the bank has to pay twice as much money to get its money and that's charged twice as much. My principle is to bring it down by complete tax exemption on savings. Change the tax laws so they are no longer made soley for the rich. And to bring about a disincentive for moving business out of this country. Incentives for them remaining in. And as far as crime is concerned to put more federal monies into putting policemen back on the street to create a deterrence and also to create a sense of security for our citizens. Thank thank you at this time we welcome questions from the audience. These questions have been screened by a league panel only to ensure their relevance to the candidacy and to avoid duplication. Yes ma'am. I'm taking the incident from overage township and my question is for Mr. Levant today. I have heard you say on PBS television that we need clean air. Then why in 1977 did you vote to delay the Clean Air Act 1 0 emission standards.

Let's try to hear the last part of your question. The Ordo mission standard. Yes that was a problem that existed in the explanation and definition was not what people thought it was going to be. And as a result we thought it was a little trickery. There was some it wasn't receiving but it was fooling the people. There was also some conditions that existed that indicated we were ready for it at that time and it was creating some labor problems that would have been a lot more difficult to cope with than the than the problem itself that was created by the act. My name is Jeannie Esposito I'm from North Brunswick. My question is for Andrew McGuire. Do you support the concept of subsidized day care centers. And would you support legislation establishing in continuing the legislation

went for a federally subsidized daycare centers and expanding it. Yes yes absolutely. I think day care centers ought to be available for any parents who need them in order to help hold a job. We clearly are very benefited when we take care not only of the needs of the parents but also of the needs of the children we have in fact under the policies the budget policies of this administration slashed our children's programs to pieces. I'm talking about preventive health care. I'm talking about nutrition and feeding programs. I'm talking about headstart education student loans on down the line and daycare is just the most dramatic example of what makes a heck of a lot of sense. What we ought to be doing more of not less of. And I would be committed to that as a senator of the United States. Thank you sir another question from the audience.

I'm Darth Dawson from Hillside and I have a question for Mr. Lyle. What is your position on the proposed balanced budget amendment. I am an alter of Lee opposed to that kind of legislation. I think the people who pay the price for a balanced budget will be those who have the least representation very often the poor the working poor. The balanced budget will not do the trick because there will be ways to get military expenditures in there and will have a continuing debate as to whether these are vital and urgent. I think what we have to do is work toward balancing the budget. But I don't think legislating it is either going to make it happen or it will be fair ultimately to most people. Jones from Sparta and my question is for his sake do you believe that public policy should be guaranteed to an individual the right to choose whether or not to terminate a pregnancy.

Thank you. Here another question. I'm Mary Louise from Englewood and my question is for Mr. Young or really would you support legislation restricting the possession of handguns. The answer is No I think that the New Jersey law at this time is one of the toughest in the nation second only to New York. And if these laws were enforced I think that we'd be better off but I wouldn't support any toughening of any laws as it relates to handguns. And McNamara from 10 falls Monmouth County I have a question for Mr. B. Mr. B do you see any federal responsibility for nuclear waste cleanup. If you do could you give us specifics. Thank you. Well I see a federal responsibility. I see an obligation if the state does not have the resources to adequately clean the environment. The federal

federal government certainly should come in and step in with the adequate funds. I think all these funds could be made available as a result of removing ourselves from this nuclear proliferation madness that we've gotten into and taking away all the monies in the budget and reallocating them for such programs as that which you espouse returning them to social programs and keeping a portion of it to cut down the budget deficit. Now the question and Langdon angle with my question is for Mr. Forrest do you favor acquiring government workers to join the social security system. No I do not. The problem of going to work is joining the Social Security system would be to dilute the federal pension system as it exists today and requiring the pan to a fund in which they have not participated over so many years and I am in favor of maintaining the federal pension system as it presently exists.

I Mr Gelbart a resident of Mercer County and the treasurer of the National Organization for Women in New Jersey. This question is directed to Frau Frank Lautenberg. If the Equal Rights Amendment is not ratified by June 30 it got to bed. Would you support its reintroduction in Congress and make sure that it is ratified. If it's not I hope that there is still time enough to get it through though it's obvious that the chances are very slim. I was disappointed to hear the news out of North Carolina the other day. I would certainly support it if it was reintroduced. I think that New Jersey ought to get on with its own business of making sure that we have a Equal Rights Amendment and our own constitution here that takes care of those rights that are so in my judgment vital to the interest of women. Thank you. Another question from the audience. On which concept justified. I've heard you had an idea for volunteer security where people could choose to have

private pensions instead of pain so security since current payroll taxes support current benefits. Warning your proposal lead to the ultimate collapse of the security system that at another candidate's forum we were talking about future generations and in its proper context that's where I was making direct my remarks. Now presently I think anyone that's in the plan regardless of the age does have a contract with the United States government and as such should be guaranteed coverage to the fulfillment and the entirety of that contract. However I do feel that for generations to come there should be some consideration given to perhaps making an optional plan where if someone wants to take seven and a half percent of their first 30 or 40 or $50000 whatever it may be down the road and perhaps invest it into

the IRAs or any other private plans that may be available to them. They should have that option. But anyone that's in the system now regardless of age should be guaranteed the fulfillment of that contract in its entirety. Thank you thank you. Is there another question in the audience. MARTIN Nathan from Aldridge My question is for Mr. McGuire. Do you think U.S. foreign aid should be used as a tool to effect policies of other nations. If so why in 1960 78 did you support contributions of 90 million dollars in aid to Syria even though Syria with Soviet made Soviet made weapons invaded Lebanon. The program that you refer to was an educational program which meant that we gave Syrians an opportunity to be exposed to the United States and to our values I think that that's probably a sensible thing for us to do in relation to countries that may not have a sufficient appreciation

of American values of our democracy. So I would say to your general question though that it's very important that we first separate military from economic assistance. Sometimes we mix up the two and we try to accomplish diplomatic objectives with military weaponry or sometimes try to fight our military battles by using food for example. I think we need to be very clear about what it is we're asking for and in general I think we enhance the interest of the United States to the extent that we present a a an attractive and thoughtful face to the rest of the world and use the tool of aid in a sensible and positive fashion. Thank you. Another question from the audience. MOSKOWITZ this is for me in the segment. What is your position regarding a possible tuition tax credit for students attending private schools. I guess that tax credit is opposed by that. President measurably to the

deficit that we're already suffering from number one. Number two it would do nothing for those parents within the inner cities who we supposedly want to make a choice to go to another school system because it's a tax credit system. The people who don't pay taxes are pay very low taxes. And number three it would undermine not only economically but psychologically the public school system at a time in which I as a parent who has children in both the private and public schools the public schools coming back in America are both educationally and their disciplinary function school teacher I thank you from card and Mr. Michel. I'd like to know do you believe that national security. The president has when he's talking about the spending and talking about Kerry. Student Aid

and veterans benefits and also the retarded children which I am a teacher of. I was in the military I was in the Marine Corps I was a disabled veteran. I spent two years in Europe. What the president's talking about spending on is billions and billions of dollars in cost overruns. We have a guy who down to Washington by the name of Alexander the Great. Well hey he's making the arms industry a million dollar corporation operation. And believe me he's not helping the poor military guy who's out there trying to use the money is not going to them. It's going for the arms industry. I'm definitely against the president's stubbornness on this subject. Thank you. Next question please. How righton of Cresco My question is for Canada. If you were a member of the US Senate how would you deal with President Reagan's budget proposals for 1982 83.

Well first of all I think President Reagan's proposals have missed the mark with reference to the tax cuts. I think they are fall in line with what I've indicated our tax laws are made sole and exclusively for the wealthy. I would try to get a change in that particular area as far as the budget is concerned I would attempt and as best senator I could attempt to vote against any other bills that would appropriate more funds for nuclear proliferation. However I do believe we should have funds available to build up a conventional armed force which is today we have and you don't have the strongest armed force that we should have. I would bring about changes in the tax structure. I would bring about lower interest rates as a result of the plan that I have proposed which would stimulate the economy and would put people back to work in the housing immobile industry that are now presently prostrate. I would be in opposition of any new programs which would create further incentives further grabs for the subsidies as I call them for corporations.

We have got to start the time when you. Yes ma'am. I'm sorry Gary avoiding town Township. Mr. Forrest do you favor amending clean air requirements to answer the complaints of business that the current regulations are too costly for them in economic terms. No I do not. I believe in the question of clean air that the business and the environment should be have to live together. But I don't believe that business should be allowed to pollute the air just because of its an economic advantage. We have had a history of business undermining the health of people. Where I come from in Pennsylvania the black lung disease where they didn't pay enough attention to the health of the people and cause a lot of deaths. We have it here in the state with the toxic waste which they just dumped into the rivers or into the streams and I believe that business has to be sufficiently controlled to protect the interests of the American people and their health. My name is Jane townsmen and I'm from Edison Township. My question is directed at history our

knowledge your jersey is the transportation corridor of the Eastern Seaboard Would you support increased federal transportation subsidies in New Jersey. Yes the answer is yes. I'm the one candidate for the U.S. Senate who has submitted alternative 1983 fiscal budget as you know the president's proposal has a limited and phased out mass transportation subsidies to New Jersey in my proposal for fiscal 83. I restore the cuts that he has proposed for transportation subsidies in our state. And the answer is yes we need them badly and I would be in favor of increasing them. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Another question from Montclair this is a question for Mr. McAleer. Do you believe in indexing in regard to the fact federal income tax indexing to contact tax indexing. Do I believe in it. Not necessarily. Let me say this on a local level I write something I

really get annoyed at my every time I pay my income tax. 1934 when my father was in the legislature Teenie their own efficient bill came before the legislators. Same thing word for word sentence for sentence paragraph or paragraph was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court judges than it was soundly defeated by my father and the other members of the legislature. And now we have the same thing put across before the state of New Jersey and I question the constitutionality that when it was unconstitutional and 34 and now it's constitutional today. And the same with guile and relation to the federal. Thank you. Another question from the audience. Yes sir. Yes my name is Jerry Mitchell from the city of New Brunswick. I have a question to Joseph to find today. Would you support legislation to restore Medicaid funding of abortions for poor women. I I do not support using public

dollars for abortion unless it involves rape incest or the life of the mother. Thank you. Another question from the audience. My name is Carol Rochford from Roosevelt. And my question is directed to enter McGuire. Do you support or oppose the idea of a constitutional amendment to permit prayer in the public schools. Well I would oppose that amendment. I think that matters of personal conscience such as when and where one might choose to pray and to what god are best left to the individual. In fact I'm concerned that there is a process at work here perhaps even serious enough to say that we might be dismantling our Constitution and our Bill of Rights piece by piece

when we go after such matters as that that you've mentioned with constitutional amendments I think the Constitution and the Bill of Rights should be protected against the incursion of any particular group or more narrow view about matters of personal conscience and matters involving the rights of individuals. Doubt a lot of news about the South and Central America but how do you feel about what is going on in El Salvador and about our current foreign policy. The lack of attention to El Salvador right now is in our national press is one of the reasons that you need somebody like me in the United States Senate somebody who is grounded in that area of the world because the world is there and it's going to be of

importance to us whether or not we're paying attention to it or not. We have a very right wing government now in El Salvador the press has disappeared. And ironically the United States House of Representatives is now ready to give twice as much military aid to that government as previously out of the conditions that were previously attached to and in and ensure that human rights violations do not take place in the rampant way that they take place in El Salvador to ensure that land reform continues to ensure that the military comes under civilian control of some type. The policy right now is a terrible policy both from our point of view and more importantly from the point of view of the people in El Salvador. If I were to be elected to the United States Senate I would change that. Now the question for Mr Luxemburg with conflict in our hemisphere in the Falklands El Salvador and other parts of the Caribbean where would you draw the line support or

involvement. Well I'd like to draw a line for U.S. involvement. If I could add our own shores I don't think it's realistic. I do think that we have a responsibility to our allies who have supported us in turn to be there to help them when called upon. I'd like not to ever be called on to supply U.S. personnel no troops if we can manage with that I would be willing. We're called upon to support our allies with equipment with communications with experience that we've had as I think we must do presently in the most unfortunate complication in South America. I wish that we had stepped forward earlier to announce our support of the U.K. And I think perhaps the Argentines would have been less bold about that. But my view is no personnel to try to help our allies and our friends with equipment and knowledge and

skill wherever we can. Thank you. I am an Evans of the New York League of Women Voters and I am directing my question to Mr. McGraw. Are you in favor of having the federal Department of Energy. That's a very good question I thought from time to time. As a member of Congress concerned about energy to clean energy conservation and renewable sources of energy that we weren't getting what we ought to be getting out of the Department of Energy. They were so oriented toward old ways of doing things and there seemed to be such a massive bureaucracy there. I think though that just playing musical chairs with organization charts doesn't really address the issue. And I think that switching most of those functions to the Department of Commerce or somewhere else doesn't deal with the main issue which is how are we going to address over the 1980s and 1990s

the critical energy problems that we face. That is going to require focusing in on how we're going to replace our dwindling oil and gas reserves how we're going to move ahead with solar energy how we're going to really be serious about energy conservation this administrations cut the heart out of energy conservation. That's the important issue in my judgment is what you're doing not where the boxes are located. I think you hear another question from the audience please. From Mercer County questions to Barbara as the only woman to be able to assist with the ratification of the if you will the gentleman who had been assisting and in what way would you be more effective. I would be more effective. I would be more visible in that effort. Unfortunately the two women do not help in that effort. The women of Jersey and the women

who support strongly the idea that women are not written to the fundamental doctrine of our country the Constitution of the United States is an abhorrence in the late 20th century. It's one that I would dedicate my life to both as a person a public official to be elected to the United States our inclusion and fundamental doctrine. Thank you. I would remind you that when you applaud you take time from the candidates and would ask that you hold your applause to the end. Yes ma'am from Moorestown South Jersey. As a senator what kind of incentives could you offer to businesses to stay in New Jersey. Well the first and sort of you offered to businesses to bring about an atmosphere where they can do business and safety and the City of New York at an area called really nice Naveen which business flourish industry had 10 to 100 people being employed in

each one of Plan A Plan factory. They were driven out because of crime. My crime program would guarantee that an employer would have the opportunity to have those people leave the plant in safety and the morning when he opened his door his inventory would be there. Also we can create tax incentives for business to remain in New Jersey and within the state rather than leaving Fort left this country went to Canada. Five thousand people employed in Detroit came in can they pay taxes we don't permit them to take those taxes off the U.S. income tax I say that has to stop and situations such as those can be addressed by revising our tax laws. Thank you. Another question from Carla Callahan Moorestown my question to Mr. Lautenberg What do you see as the primary energy resources by the year 2000 and what role should the federal government have in obtaining them. Well I wish I could be clever enough to predict the primary energy source I think that they're going to have going to be a multitude of sources of

supply. I think the Federal Reserve the federal government's responsibility is to ensure research in those areas. I do think that it's quite obvious to everybody that oil whether it survives to the year 2000 or not is not the question of Eventually it will disappear from the face of the earth and we must find other safe ways non-nuclear ways if possible to get that job done. I was disappointed to see Exxon move out of the shale oil exploration. Unfortunately the opportunities for profit weren't there for them and that's the way it's going to have to be done but it needs government assistance and government encouragement and government leadership to make sure that we test every source available to provide to provide the energy so necessary for our country and my company. We co-gen cogeneration we take the heat that it comes out of our computer systems and use it to heat our facility. Thank you. Another question. George Harrison North Brunswick New Jersey. Mr. McGuire would you

support a nuclear arms freeze in which both the U.S. and the Soviet Union participated. Yes indeed I would I supported it last summer when it was first proposed and I think it is absolutely essential that we get control of this dangerous upward spiral in nuclear weaponry. The freeze is essential and mutually verifiable an agreed freeze between the United States and Soviet Union because we can't get significant reductions contrary to what the president seems to suggest. We cannot get significant reductions if we are going full speed ahead developing every nuclear weapon system that anyone has ever thought of. And essentially that is the current state of affairs. It's like having two people in a basement with the gasoline up to their knees and one has seven matches and the other has 11. You know who who is safer. We've got to get control of the situation in our national security interest and for future generations. And I think a good place to start by the way would be to

ratify or at least as Senator Moynihan suggested confirm the Sol 2 agreement then get on with the freeze and the six I had a very hard time when you're on the answer thank you. So another question the audience please. Generally my name is studio set of Redbank I can't in a previous question regarding handling the handgun. You stated that New Jersey's laws were some of the toughest but you're running for the Senate Senate of the United States. And I wondered if you would support a national handgun law. Why you brought that up again I wanted a chance to clarify it. Yes I would support da laws throughout this nation that brought the rest of the states in line with the tough laws that we have here in New Jersey I think that's essential if we're going to ever fight crime and also in regards to that. I do support tougher penalties for those people who violate our handgun laws. Thank you. Yes sir.

Yeah my name is Tanda last year on from Somerville. I've a question to Joel to find but this can be directed to any of the candidates and I wish they'd speak up on this issue. As a student of Rutgers the State University of New Jersey an often neglected flat fact not only in Washington but here in New Jersey. I'm concerned about the possible student aid cuts. As a US senator what would you specifically do to help students who cannot afford rising tuition costs especially in the private universities but also unfortunately in the state universities. Thank you. I would do everything that is humanly possible legislatively possible. I would use the power of persuasion I have at my command as United States senator to see to it that the funding was in that budget for school aid for students for the various programs that are required. I think that those of us who have been involved and know from past experience that education

is an investment in America's future and it's a very shrewd. Fabric in our society and we're going to turn our backs on it and we're going to neglect to get that nourishment for the minds of our youth who we are expecting to assume the responsibilities and command of the future generations of this country. We've got to think very positively about putting the money up to make it possible. Thank you. At this point with eight candidates here it's almost impossible to let you all respond to the question if you would care to include this in your two minute closing statement I would encourage you to do so or if there is extra time at the end we'll go back to it. Yes another question Mr. Treasurer. Now New Jersey this is directed to Joseph but anyone can answer equal pay for equal work is the main issue involved in the Equal Rights Amendment. What is your position on this issue and how would you implement it for women who are at the bottom rung of the economic security ladder I have

continuously been called upon to vote for support equal rights remember I have a partner the support I could possibly get it. And when I was a freshman congressman. I was written up in the New York Times is the only freshman of 48 who had three women in high level paid positions within my office. So I have absolutely no problems I have no qualms I will do everything that's possible to get that extension. That deadline extended and I would work just as feverish way as I know how because I really honest and truly believing it. Thank you have a full closing statement candidates. Another question from the audience. I'm Lynn Newton of Princeton for Barbara's segment. Your position please on the nuclear freeze where the US and the USSR would adopt a bilateral verifiable nuclear weapons freeze so that reductions to sane levels could fall quickly before it's too late.

As you know you and some other members of the alliance against nuclear arms came to see me last year and asked me about the question of putting this question on the ballot. I thank you because you got me interested in the substantive question as well. I am very much in favor of the nuclear arms free is the only sensible place to start to start is where we are now. While the president is meeting with on this subject we have to fight harder than ever for the freeze and the people of New Jersey have the ability to make a huge national impact this fall by voting yes on that referendum that you put on the ballot. Thank you. Another question. My name is Kathleen kids and I'm from hasn't been on the county. My question is for Mr. McGuire. Mr. McGuire do you have any proposals to help make Social Security and more solvent and to do

for our nation's elderly. Yes I think the elderly have got to be able to count on having the integrity of the Social Security system preserved and being able to count on their retirement I'm not just talking about those who are now elderly I'm talking about to those in their 50s or 40s or 30s who will want to know that when they need it Social Security will be there I think one of the things you do is to say as I did in the Congress when we debated this that it makes sense to preserve Social Security as a retirement system. There have been a lot of add ons particularly the health care related programs those should be funded in my judgment through the regular tax structure as other such programs are and that would leave Social Security as a retirement system for retirement and that would go a very long way toward preserving the financial integrity of the system which I voted in the Congress to preserve and would always vote to preserve.

Thank you. Another question from our audience. This from many states are enacting laws to regulate high technology in computer industries. As a prominent official in a profitable computer firm. On the regulation of the computer related industry. Well if you're talking about regulation that deals with privacy in the industry certainly I would support that kind of legislation because I think that's an Ultimate very serious danger to our country in terms of trying to legislate the development of computer industry I don't think that that can be done I think what we have to do is to provide incentives for technological industry development. The only way we can do that is to make sure that we have a trained workforce to handle that. It's a peculiar anomaly today when we have 10 and a half million people out of work in our country. There are hundred thousand jobs unfilled because we don't have to

train people to fill those jobs and it's going to get worse as time goes on. So while I can't be specific about the kind of legislation I would certainly be one as having the experience that I've had all my life to promote that kind of development that kind of incentive by our federal government to make sure that we are competitive with the industries of the future. Now the question. With a depressed economy offering fewer jobs for Americans what should be our immigration policy. I think that our immigration policy has to take two things in consideration fairness to American workers and also true to us to our own American values of giving refuge to people who are oppressed under political regimes of the right as well as of the left. We have had a steady

policy of giving refuge to people who are refugees from governments of the left from communist regimes. I think that we can do no less to those who are refugees from rightist repressive regimes I think that governments particularly local and county governments that are impacted by the people who do come because of those repressions and their businesses in areas that are impacted need some help from our national government because it should be an absorption on a national level. But I don't think that we can give our ideals of providing refuge for people from political oppression we have to balance out with the needs of our American workers as well. Thank you. Yes ma'am. Patty Hoffman from worst town New Jersey. My question is for Mr. McAleer support has been building for the establishment of a National Peace Academy on a par with the military academies. How do you feel about this proposal.

Michelle How should you feel about this proposal.