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A. Incumbent Bill Bradley and challenger Christine Todd Whitman square off on foreign policy issues in their final debate of the U.S. Senate campaign. No damage or injuries are reported as a minor earthquake rattles South Jersey. Protests marking dedication of Essex County's new garbage incinerator. And the Sci. open three days of hearings on mob influence in New Jersey's garment industry. Coming up next. Major funding for a New Jersey network news is provided by the Geraldine our judge foundation and first Fidelity Bank of. New Jersey No.1. New Jersey Network 10 women. Good evening Ted Matta head is on assignment covering tonight's debate. I'm Trisha Gaspar as.

The questions said heard on the Persian Gulf crisis at international terrorism. Though some domestic issues did manage to filter into the discussion for 15 minutes tonight incumbent Democratic U.S. Senator Bill Bradley and his Republican challenger Christie Whitman faced off tonight in their second and final televised debate on the campaign. It was an important match up for both candidates with the Challenger hoping her performance would ignite her campaign and the incumbent hoping to slow his recent slide in pre-election polls. Covered tonight's debate. He joins us now with a summary of the face also a face often from initial analysis Larry. Well Trish this you said this was the second and final debate before the state Chamber of Commerce in Lithonia did focus on international affairs. And we're going to look right now at the first half of the debate and there were some sharp exchanges. In his opening remarks Senator Bradley acknowledged the problems in the Middle East. Well the melting Cold War meant the United States faced noises on how it would handle its peace dividend.

But as the Cold War in we will have more resources from reduced defense spending. The question is Where do we put them. I think that they should go toward reducing the budget deficit and restoring economic growth toward better health care and education for our children port protecting our natural world indeed toward making New Jersey a cleaner safer more prosperous place. We are discussing tonight the problems of foreign policy in the world. The changes that have taken place in that we've seen over the last few years and their meaning. But we can't have an intelligent discussion about foreign policy without recognizing one overriding fact. And that is that the United States is the remaining dominant superpower in the world today. And that the engine driving the world's economy is ours. Bradley was asked how long the United States should be prepared to stay in Saudi Arabia. I think it's going to be more of a sitz Korea than a blitzkrieg. And that means we're going to have to

rotate forces there. That means we're going to have to make sure that we're prepared to stay for the longer term and it's going to mean we have to pursue aggressively diplomatic solutions to this problem. I think that we can never rule out the use of force. No president should but we hope that will be able to move to a diplomatic settlement and that will take staying power. We all hope for a diplomatic solution. However if we have to move if it ever comes to that then I think the president is required by the Congress to let them know after it has occurred. But to tell him he can't move until it has happened puts the lives of all our troops there in great danger. But the Whitman response to whether the U.S. was right to condemn Israel for the killings at the Wailing Wall was prompted one of the sharpest exchanges I've even in Israel I support the United States both in the United Nations yes. Thanks for your time I strongly disagree with the United States in the United Nations. I don't think that. All right Senator Bradley layer came on a little bit strong that was I think it was a first what worry really

came out swinging against Christine Todd Whitman our analyst joining us tonight a Democrat Jim a Queeny and Republican Roger Bodman. Is there a danger and Senator Bradley coming out the way he did. You've got to look senatorial but at the same time is there sort of an unequal ness here since he is debating a woman. Could he come on too strong here. Oh I think that there's an inherent danger in that frankly and I think on the first debate when they had that exchange over her rulings on the BPU Three Mile Island I think Bill started to look a little shrill in that thing but I think when he sees the honest to goodness issue difference here on the U.N. vote on Israel I think was right that's the right way for Bill to seize on a difference because that was on an issue that was clear and understandable as opposed to an arcane vote on the BPU that you may or may not have had a factor in as a negative attack at the time. Roger was your candidate was she as strong as she could have been tonight.

Well clearly I think she understand it and she's she's standing there with Bradley. She she she had a tremendous amount of poise a tremendous amount of presence and presence is one of those non quantify helpful benefits presumably that one would like to have as a political candidate I think Christie Whitman has it she was able to stand there with Bill Bradley go toe to toe with him and make her points and make them well. Well I think Roger I would disagree a little bit I think when she started with her opening and she deliberately took what was a foreign affairs policy debate and went right into a lot of the domestic things which is clearly the strong point or her campaign believes the strong point of attack against Bradley. I think she really in a sense tactically failed to pursue that point throughout the debate. I know she won't ride the BRING ABOUT TO ME WHEN I'M BACK IN THE STATE I mean I'm like and it's difficult to do that Jim from a practical point of view I mean that the topic of the debate was after all foreign policy all of the questions were on it. She would have been acting in an improper

fashion if she should who she chose to to ignore the bulk of the questions from the panel and chose rather to discuss domestic issues I know I would have rather a plainer difference you know later in the program. There was a sharp exchange where Bradley accused Whitman when she was the chairman of the BPU of sending NSA Interestingly he lays the state issue in the last debate to he had a he had a tremendous opinion on the state's garbage policy the policy of New Jersey. And that's why I find it all the more curious he has no opinion on the taxes. Any knockout blows here and what we said every game we have Bradley 30 points ahead that he moved up to 40 points ahead or he is not going to move up to 30 if he has one way to go and it's down in this kind of situation obviously. You know whenever you get an opportunity to form. Like this evening's debate the challenge is going to benefit and Christie Whitman clearly did benefit. Jim this is a guy that used to winning by 65 percent margins here. Right now he's only got a 30 point lead did he do anything tonight to get back some of that lead that he's lost.

I think Bill's appearance there tonight was to hold what will be probably a substantial victory. You've got to remember in a way it's a little bit of a handicap but Bill runs two races every time he runs the race to win one more vote over 50 percent when he runs for Senate and he runs what I call the political handicapping race which is a handicapping which is of the people who would raise here with all the presidential race and that's where we saw the Souter vote were lined up with with eight of the ultra liberals of the United States Senate so I think Bill Bradley is walking that proverbial thin line made thinner by his presidential run. Do you think that there's also a second race for Mrs. Whitman that is if she gets over 40 percent are going crazy. You're talking about a gubernatorial candidate here in the district acquitted her right gentlemen on that note we're going to have to wrap it up but only for now we will be back in just a little while. We will then discuss the second half of the debate get a little more analysis from Jimmy Queeny and Roger bottom and their thoughts on how the Republicans and the Democrats shape up and just how this race is finally going to end up on Election Day. But for now let's go back to Trisha Gaspar's. Thank you Larry.

Coming up more debate analysis and a look at the rest of today's news. Stay with us. If you see news happening or shooting with your home video camera let us know about it by dialing the New Jersey network news tip line 1 800 Jersey 1. That's 1 800. Join our SC won I won. It. In other news tonight it wasn't exactly a major trembler about an earthquake did

shake up some residents of South Jersey last night. There are no reports of injuries or damage from the quake center near Salem County. Scott Moni has the story. According to officials from the U.S. Geological Survey in Golden Colorado last night's earthquake just past 9:30 registered 2.9 on the Richter scale. A local geologist says the quake was felt stronger in Salem County New Jersey than where it was centered in Delaware. New Jersey is fairly active seismically we have a lot of earthquakes here in New Jersey. Most of which. We don't really feel because they're small. Earthquakes occur when stress builds up in the crust of the earth because of motions of the earth's plates or from the weight of ice or water. That plane of weakness is called a fault allows the stress to be relieved by the motion of an earthquake. There's several fault lines are thought to exist under the Delaware River where last night's earthquake hit and where another one rocked the area nine hundred thirty nine. This is an old suture zone between where two continents collided back hundreds of millions of years ago.

And there is a saying in geology once a fault always a fault the timing of this quake was almost to the day a year after the earthquake in northern California. But that's where the similarity ends. The greater the motion between the two blocks along the fault the greater the earthquake. And so for an earthquake in like the one in San Francisco the bloc's moved two three four feet relative to each other whereas here we're talking about motion at most a couple of inches. The last major earthquake in New Jersey was in the 1880. It's in the northern part of the state. But experts say even a minor quake could do major damage here. Structures aren't specifically built to handle them. Scott Monye at New Jersey network news. Now more on tonight's debate New Jersey network news anchor Matt Ahad moderated tonight's face off with our senior political correspondent Michael Arian among the panel of four questioners. Kent joins us now from the debate site and with the day with some observations on the confrontation. Can't thank you Trish. Michael and I have both had a chance to regroup here in Witney the site of this evening's debate and we're joined right now by the Republican

challenger in this contest Christine Todd Whitman. This is Whitman. How do you think you did tonight. How would you score yourself between 1 and 10. I think it went very well. I mean picking a score between 1 and 10 is hard without seeming sort of overly presumptuous but I think it has to be up on the high end of that scale. Was there one particular place tonight one particular issue that you address that you think you scored the best on. I think probably on the failure of Congress to really address and redress its problems and how that impacts on the global situation. I've had the opportunity to live overseas and understand just how very important this country is to all other countries in the world. Sometimes we forget just how important we are and what happens here has an impact and ramifications far beyond our understanding. And I felt Bill Bradley trying to do in a subtle way by. Making reference to his contacts with Gorbachev chief economist and his discussions with an air of shame and suggesting in subtle

ways that he's got vastly more experience than you. Did you feel that as well. Well I think it it showed a nervousness on his part and an insecurity that he had to do that. I think he well knows that when he first went to the Senate I don't think he met many of those people on the basketball courts and that's where he played internationally. So I think people understand that that's the kind of experience that you can get he's been in the Senate for 12 years on the Intelligence Committee for most of that. Well on that point. He does have acknowledged expertise in international economics. He has traveled the world as a senator many times and has met many of these various potentates throughout the world. Isn't that an investment to some degree that the New Jersey electorate has been a senator who understands global complexities and knows which leaders I'm not sure we can inform afford that kind of investment when I look at someone in his position as long as he has with his changes on SDI and votes on SDI on changes on votes for the Contras he's flipped two or three times and each of those

issues that doesn't tell me that we have someone who has firm convictions and is really leading the United States's needs to happen I think the people understand that you can come up to snuff very quickly on these issues I also had the opportunity to travel extensively with Fortune up to me Madame Chiang Kai shek but I don't think that's the kind of thing you have to do whether in fact I don't think that's the kind of thing that determines whether or not you will be a good leader for this country or whether you really understand international problems. This is Whitman. Why do you think that Bill Bradley was nervous he indicated that in some of his answers perhaps he seemed. He's way ahead in the polls. I don't think he's away ahead in the polls and I think he's concerned. I'm not the one who called him the most overrated senator that was done by the Washingtonian magazine. They've been over 20 negative editorials about his conduct throughout this campaign. I think he feels he can afford more polls than I saw more than I and that just reinforces my feeling that anything can happen in this election. I think you see a closing of those polls and I think he's very

concerned about it. You commercial in Washington yesterday I believe you have enough money as we go into the final two weeks I'm going to tell you everything tonight but we will be on television before the end of the campaign well before the end within the last before the end of the last week. Well before the middle of that week. This is Whitman one of the pundits wrote this week that this is a curious election between. Someone who wants to be president and someone who wants to be governor. You've been asked this question many times I've asked that of you once before but let me ask it again in this situation. What about people who say that you are positioning yourself for a future run. Well I don't know what is that that's interested in being president because that's got to explain why he's in Iowa and Illinois and California so much and is raised so much money I don't know who it is it's interested in being governor but certainly in seriousness my God you don't do this kind of race because of something in the future you don't make the kind of sacrifices and take the time and explore the issues and care the way I do. I'm interested in being a United States senator from New

Jersey and nothing else. There is nothing in the future for you promised through the you know Bush administration I don't know I have a record I said right at the beginning I have no interest in going to Washington with some job in the Bush administration. And nothing has been promised and I can go on record saying that the future is still open as far as so I don't intend to go into right here and I'm going to be winning so I intend to be in Washington if you want to take yourself out of the 1993 race right here in the US. I learned long ago not to take myself out of anything but if I'm in the Senate I certainly won't run for governor. All right Mrs. Whitman thank you for your time here in the in the debate this evening and this follow up discussion and we hope to come back shortly with Senator Bradley as our guest. Back to Trish in the studio in Trenton. Thank you Ken we will be back with you at the debate site just a little bit later in the broadcast. The state commission of investigation today opened three days of public hearings into New Jersey's garment industry it's an industry witnesses testified that is fraught with corruption and ties to organized crime. Mary Cummings has the story.

The picture painted for the Sci. today was that of a huge underground transience garment industry based primarily in northern New Jersey and industry over which the state has frustratingly little control. That's why. It's one composed of hundreds of tiny often unsafe sweat shops which do not report their income to the federal government and which make liberal use of an ever steady flow of frightened illegal immigrants. There is no civil war on record. You can paint somebody with one star witness today was this garment contractor a woman and an immigrant who was so frightened of reprisal by others in the industry. She asked to be disguised. When you say no overtime. Pay for overtime but they work long hours.

It is also an industry which officials say is locked in the grip of organized crime which controls the trucking end of the business. Many garment workers are bullied into doing business with La Cosa Nostra fearful of saying no. Are they free. Yes all the things that happen to them if they drive a truck for example. So how might the state better grasp a slippery fly by night industry tainted by organized crime. To start commissioner muchi is pushing for changes to the apparel Registration Act removed she wants to be able to seize the goods and violators immediately so they don't tend to disappear so easily. The only way we have. If it were. Up tomorrow to witness is the state calls nefarious contractors Mary Cummings

New Jersey network news. A 24 year old single mother from Elizabeth has been charged with criminal restraint for locking her daughter in the trunk of her car while she worked at her job at the Woodbridge mall. The mother Shauntay Fernandez said she couldn't find competent babysitters for her 5 year old. She said her daughter could move from the trunk to the back seat and that she checked on her during work breaks for Nanda says that in the past year her husband abandoned her and her apartment was broken into three times. State authorities have taken away her child and she was fired from her job as x county's political and business leaders gathered today amidst garbage trucks and champagne to dedicate the state's largest trash incinerator. But as Marie Dinoire reports while the fancy partying went on inside the facility anti incinerator forces continue to show their opposition outside. Ever. Heard the three word chant has become a kind of endless anthem for these demonstrators.

Today they came from several northern New Jersey counties to dodge rain and traffic outside of the Essex County garbage incinerator. It's on the brink of starting up despite years of protest and legal challenges. But the citizens aren't giving up or say no expansion this incinerator ready Port Authority is talking about expanding it by a third. That's a whole new battle it's a whole new fight. Meanwhile inside a group of public officials and business leaders gathered in the incinerator tipping hall the part of the plant where garbage trucks will soon be filing into dump loads of trash to burn. And despite the unglamorous setting there was music and food and drink and congratulations all to celebrate the dedication of the incinerator. Does it disturb you that this sad occasion is going on inside here and meanwhile members of the community are outside protesting. No I don't think so that's the American way. I mean the only thing that I would say the only caveat I would make

is that if you're going to be against something. First of all get the facts straight and don't prejudge the citizens who oppose the incinerator say they're worried about the safety of the smoke that the daily twenty two hundred tons of burning trash will give off and they're concerned about the county's interest in expanding the incinerator in the future. As you probably know there's already talk about expanding it to be a 3000 ton right. I think there will be a level of the government that are going to put so many pies in and out of it. Officials say they'll fire the test without any fanfare unannounced sometime within the next few weeks. It's not a secret according to Essex County executive a motto. They just don't plan to make it a public event. Marie Dinoire New Jersey Network News New York. And now back to our coverage of tonight's U.S. Senate debate. Democratic incumbent Bill Bradley has joined the head of Michel Aoun at the debate site for a post-debate discussion.

The tables are being cleared here at the debate site of the Birchwood matter you can hear the clattering additions in the background. We're joined by Senator Bradley for a little post-debate discussion a little locker room discussion this evening. Senator how do you think you did more relaxed more animated than you did in the previous debate a little. Happy with your performance at the last debate and interested in upgrading that before anything. 0 0 I had mushrooms after the first debate.

It wasn't an immediate thing. And talk to reporters the same after your opening statement here I noticed that you looked out in the middle of the audience and you looked at somebody gave a sign with your eyes and I thought I read you saying. Good enough. That's true. That show you were looking at my wife my wife and my daughter. Yeah. Get this critic. Yes and there you were. Yeah. Was that because maybe you hadn't been good enough. Ten days kind of certain people. It's when you give a speech you keep certain people even in a debate. You kill certain people for example the last debate there were two people in the front row in addition to my wife that I keyed off of to see whether what I was saying was having resonance with them. And so that's what I did.

We would all be nervous keyed up in the way you may have been during the basketball playoffs. The rhythms are killing quite camp and there isn't a very very thorough. Take a nap and I've got to get up for the event. It's the same kind of emotional rhythms and most people don't understand. You know you have it. Execute the game plan. This is not something that is kind of haphazard. It's rather pursuing through an overhaul strategy and I thought it was a very good opportunity to talk about issues that are very important for all the people of New Jersey because as I said you know what the people in New Jersey are really electing is someone who's going to go down the wash them for the next six years nobody knows what's going to happen in the next six years. Senator that were discussed here tonight both you and your partner seem to be very concerned about a long drawn out situation in the Persian Gulf.

Yeah I think that's true and I think that illustrates the point I was making. You know we were in the Persian Gulf a year ago. We have 200000 troops there. So when people say they want to lose judgment day for us. Here they want there to make the life and death decisions of the senators to make from time to time. This is a good example. We are probably going to be there for a longer period and have a structure that's part I referred to in a sense creating sort of a blitzkrieg but that means that we have to rotate our forces that we have to have patience that we have to wait for the sanctions to work. I think they will. You were reasonably feisty in attacking her this evening you were not reticent on that score. You also constantly alluded to all your friends and acquaintances the world over from Gorbachev economists to a shape who knows oil and so forth or were you trying to suggest that Mrs. Whitman doesn't have your range of international experience.

No actually they're one of those examples were planned schemes to find a real debate like this through one of the best moments to come and when I was asked a question about the economic plan. What better way to reference it than the man who wrote the economic plan who happen to be in my office two weeks ago and with your money it was a very good example of a senator saying. I believe we're going to put our own star power to protect against a real emergency coming down the road if we have a disruption could cause New Jersey taxpayers homeowners and car drivers much higher prices. So I want to see him. He said no we don't want to do that. I learned the lesson. You don't tell the most powerful nation in the world what to do when it comes to turn to your own national security interest and put it clearly protects our national security interests. Senator Bradley One final question if I could the issue of the Florio tax plan did come up

again tonight as it has so often on this campaign trail. Do you feel that you successfully. Slid out from under that question tonight in answering that question. You have said you're not going to give an answer to that question. Don't like paying taxes in the morning but if anybody else does that I know people are angry that I feel the anger out there but I'm looking exploited Ingur for political purposes. I'm not going to demagogue it and leave mislead people to believe that a U.S. senator has anything to do with state taxes but at the same time I see a U.S. senator who's got something to do with reducing the budget deficit. And if someone sort of cornered supports a constitutional balanced budget she ought to tell the people of New Jersey how she will balance the budget. This campaign is now into its last two weeks speech she has yet to tell the people of New Jersey how she would balance the budget. That is you were sent to be sure. All right Senator Bradley thank you for taking time to join us in this post-debate discussion.

Thank you. We send it back to Trish in Trenton thank you can't. Coming up more on tonight's senatorial debate. And New Jersey grocery shoppers casting it all over cycling craze it's. Iraq. That to our top story tonight the second and final televised debate between U.S.

Senate candidates Bill Bradley and Christie Whitman though it set out on foreign policy domestic issues did surface during the discussion. Larry Steve Nicol monitor the debate here in our Trenton studio and he rejoins us now for more debate analysis Larry. Well Trish in the final moments of the debate Bradley and Whitman were allowed to question each other and it was domestic issues that dominated the questioning is where when you say you support Secretary Cheney's plan to cut the defense budget which includes 30 billion dollars for the B-2 stealth bomber. You say we need to do a B-2 bomber to deter the Soviet Union at the same time you say we should be balancing the budget. People in New Jersey deserve to know what you think the B-2 stealth bomber can do the cruise missiles couldn't do but one tenth the cost. Well I can tell you one thing that the situation in Iraq has shown us that the B-2 bomber can do that nothing else can do which is fly from here to Iraq without having to stop because they can be

refueled in midair. Then they could come in under the radar and they could make strategic strikes so I think that there's very definitely a difference between the two and it's naive to presume there isn't but I have never said that we need 35 B 2s. I disagree with that. I think 15 is probably enough. This is Whitman your question for Senator Bradley. OK Bill I'm going to make this easy for you it's a national question an international question. We've talked tonight about competitiveness in a changing world we've asked and touched on a number of different areas there. Do you feel that if you and the rest of your brother in Congress were to pass a national tax package similar to that the governor Florio passed here in the United States in New Jersey that we would be more competitive in the world. Well that's a creative way to see gray face. Thank you very much. But the fact the matter is I voted against the tax package in Washington just last week to essentially raise taxes on middle income taxpayers to

pay for tax breaks for wealthy oil and gas investors and investors and increased loopholes by the process of increasing loopholes reduced efficiency in the economy. I believe that the best possible tax rate is the lowest possible tax rate. I passed a major law that reduced tax rates more than any time since World War 2. Now in terms of competitiveness that's a serious problem. The first thing we've got to do is get our budget balance Mrs. Whitman hasn't told us how to do that. All right some of the closing moments of tonight's debate. And joining us now to discuss those moments and other moments the scening are Democrat and Republican Vaudrey potman. We spoke earlier. No knockout blows tonight I think they both handled themselves pretty well here Jim. It's just really up to Bradley now to run out the clock if you will on this thing. That's a good analogy that's exactly what's going to happen and that's what exactly what he has to do I think this is one of the last televised appearances with big reach for Christie. She needed to do more than good she really needed to kick in the shins for her

and she has to get some excitement in this race right now the numbers are in probably the 20 25 range and. Without commercials or with a little commercial she talked about putting up a spot I think in a media market like there's practically everyone seen seen Bradley spots there are many in a typical statewide race would have many spots. Well let me ask Roger this question she tried to use Jim's analogy here kick him in the shins tonight with the analogy but what about the Florio tactics somewhat of a velvet glove. Is this going to it's going to pay off how is this going to work. Well clearly I mean it's been the cornerstone of her campaign to try to link Senator Bradley with with with our good Governor Jim Florio and clearly she made another effort to do that tonight as it was we talked about earlier. There was always sort of a pulling and tugging duties to the domestic issues and you know even the senator congratulated her on her creative way of introducing the Florida tax issue.

Does it hurt Bradley though to I mean a lot of people are there's there's a tax payers revolt here in the state. Bradley does not he says he's not going to demagogue on this issue but is he hurting himself by not at least answering the question just once about asked according to The New York Times he clearly is and I think I think absolutely he is you know piece 70 percent or 70 some odd percent in in I guess it was the Eagleton poll Jim that suggested that that the people of New Jersey believe that Senator Bradley should answer that question as least as of this date he has refused to do so. He has danced around it he went on proudly just in that clip we just showed a few seconds ago talking about marginal tax rates and how he tried to lower tax rates and felt and expanded on his view of what he did during tax reform a few years back but apparently that philosophy doesn't carry forward to the doubling of the income tax in Jersey and I think the people have a right to know that and I think I do believe that there is an increasing frustration with him and his inability to answer that question whose frustration I think is the his opponents frustration and a couple of million New Jerseyans as well.

You know I think it's one of those things where frankly from a strategic or political view that's a mighty slippery slope backwards for a bill to get on that on that debate and by the way when he's debated this issue of taxes he's gone on to the fact that he fathered the tax reform issue several years ago in the Congress and did address that and then in the past it said when it was talking about state taxes in time Cain raise the taxes which he did. Income taxes. Bill did not speak out at that time. All right well I'm being given the wrap it up by the producer here I think we've been raising our time limit here a little bit this evening. Jim McQueen Roger Bodman thank you for joining us tonight. It'll be interesting to see how the results come out on November the 6th for Senator Bradley. Many analysts are saying that it's not a question of whether or not Senator Bradley will win most of them think he will. The major point is is by how much last time he won by 65 percent. We're just going to wait now to see if you can keep that margin of victory or if it's going to slide. For now let's go back to Tricia Gaspar's. Thank you Larry for the past half hour reporters and the staff from both

campaigns at the debate site in weapon they have been putting their own spin on how the two candidates fared in tonight's debate. We go back now to our own Ken Matta had for more reaction to the faceoff tent. Trish Michael and I are joined by Susan Thomases friend and adviser of the Bradley campaign and Bill Pelletier adviser to the Whitman campaign. Thank you for taking time to be with us. Susan if I could begin with you. What do you think the toughest question. Senator encounter tonight and how how do you think you did answering it in your opinion I don't think there was any really tough question for him I think that his years in the Senate his experience prior to being in the Senate prepared him to answer all of the questions and I think he really did a wonderful job and demonstrated the experience he has in foreign affairs. He wouldn't single out one you know I think really. BILL Oh I think it was the question he doesn't want to answer is the Florida question. I mean again Bill Bradley disappoints everybody. He's given you know once again on television he's asked the question in the context of foreign affairs. And again

and again he says you laugh Susan but the people in New Jersey are laughing at the people out there are mad and they're angry. And Bill Bradley again is the silent status quo senator who thinks everything's fine hunky dorey in Washington one acknowledge that there's a revolution going on in New Jersey. Well question to you about Mrs. Whitman and what she encountered tonight the toughest question how did she do when I heard about it I'm sure. And I think I want I want I think you were I think you were a lot of tough questions for Christie I think she handled him well. I think going the proof is on Senator Bradley you know the guy down there with 12 years experience who most people think is going to blow anybody off the stage based on expectations. And Christie held their own I think she scored some points with Mr. Bradley scored some points. The point is though that people Bill Bradley to do wonderfully well and they were expecting Bill Bradley to finally come up say hey. You know I'm one of two points here something needs to be done in Washington again you know whether it's foreign affairs where it's spending more money on missile systems whether it's the spending billions in foreign aid. He

refuses to acknowledge either New Jersey or the nation that there's a revolution going on there and that there needs to be some change and he doesn't want to acknowledge that and he failed again tonight to do what I want Michael to see that I am but I brought out the scoring points. Business is something that a campaign consultant talks about it really isn't about scoring points. It's about talking about those issues that face us as a nation and internationally and I don't think that your candidate demonstrate your knowledge in fact she was best when she spoke after the senator at which time she echoed exactly what he said it is about talking about issues and I wonder back to the Florio tax plan and Senator Bradley fare better if you gave some answer to the question I could write an answer for him that would be satisfactory wouldn't get him into trouble with Florio he could. Surely when you round of meeting somebody suggest why don't we stop letting me show you something about myself. I manage Bill's first campaign and I made an arrangement with him. I would run the campaign and the senator would always decide what he was going to say on issues and I have never attempted to put words in

his mouth or to urge him to do something that he himself had not made up his mind to do. So no I have not urged him to speak out on this issue and the truth is I think that he is he has made his position on taxes very very clear in terms of where he has taken the position he's taking which is no position. I don't think it's a it's not a calculation of hurting himself or not hurting himself I think it's about what he feels that he needs to communicate his short time look Michel if you want to get Bill into some final words here Bill. Bill Bradley clearly knows more about international relations when Christie Whitman How did she do it given that disadvantage to the sheet she held her own in talking about issues I think she did score some some some point she may not want to put in those terms with I'm sorry I think people viewing out there so somebody on the stage if they did think that they maybe have to do not thinking she could stay with Bill Bradley she went toe to toe with Bill Bradley. She presented herself very well. This is not like some Peter Winfrey from New York he should embarrass the Republican Party Christie's but representing her very well. That's why

she's gaining in the polls and why she's closing in on Bill Bradley. I have tonight I think throw it back to the studio I'm sorry your time is up one one quick word one quick point I think that foreign affairs is one of the areas in which experience really does make a difference and I think that it's important to have people with Bill's experience and with these kinds of relationships in the United States Senate bill Pelletier she says and Thomas says thank you for taking us back to Trish in Trenton thank you Ted. Coming up changes at the top for a potential ad in sports pop with a look at the top ranked Franklin warriors. To. Go. The the. And then secondly here now with tonight's business report. Yeah.

Yes and a sudden change maybe a surprise change of a major corporate management suite. This is at the Prudential where appointment of a new president is announced wrongly Barbero 59 presently president of the Prudential is Canadian operations to assume his new office November 26 now. But Boro apparently has been heir to that job for a while Prudential made its announcement right on the heels of word by the equitable in New York that Joseph Malone the sending president of the prudential now has been elected CEO of the Equitable surprised to see him go the reaction in the workaday. Did you know that the grocery store paper bag was sort of invented in 1903 at least the machine that makes it was by a guy named Charles still well now maybe you don't care about that but it is biodegradable and you should care about that. There is something else. Look at the cash registers. See what it says. Say grey pen friend thing about paper bags is if you don't mess them up too much. They're also

reusable. And at shoprite stores in New Jersey and several other states. We get a bit of money back. Two cents a bag. If you're bringing your own use paper bag shop writes Mike Riley says it's not to save money on bags a solid waste problem that we're all facing it's. Everybody's problem. So we try to find a program that would really be a first step. Well go to a shop right and you'll see people falling into the spirit of things like Helen back or of Napoli. We asked her where she really was her paper bags to save a little money now he's waiting for the money. But would I go. It sounds very bad. That's how. I do it because they recycle the paper. I think that's a wonderful thing. Now there's Barbara beard who lives in Bloomfield. She has her use bags a lot they will pack your groceries in your own bags give you two cents for every bag of yours you and the ones I don't use to take back home. And reuse them bring them back next time.

Well conservation saving trees helping out with the waste disposal problem is what it's all about right. A penny saved you know half an hour or so I mean I might just take him here why am I going to throw him out you know. So I figure it's better to get something on him. Than not get nothing. Oh incentive this chap right people call it that two cents per bag reuse and incentive to help the program along some people sneeze at pennies and some do not. Earnings in the limelight on Wall Street at the moment and in New Jersey a mixture of results today. Johnson and Johnson living up to some analysts opinion health care companies will do well even in a softer environment. Jay and Jay reporting a 17 and a half percent rise in earnings per share third quarter 95 cents versus 80 cents year ago but Fedor's a victim they say of a too cool summer Fedders sales off 66 percent in the quarter and a five point two million dollar net

loss. So the Hussein's message from Mohamed while optimistic is yesterday's news today's news. The budget business and one Senator Domenici is quoted as saying hopes for a greener last well. Another market view is that the big players are trading out of blue chips in the secondary issues. Things are looking good and the breadth is positive you can say that on the other hand interest rates which had been trending lower to the slight about face today. Long bond yield up a few basis points. That market acutely aware of the budget issue as are we oh yes we are thank you Jim and I go right to Potsdam Glenn with tonight's sports report that had some basketball for a little bit of everything tonight. Trish We'll start off the New Jersey Nets playing the Miami Heat in Syracuse tonight. It was supposed to be a homecoming for the Nets top draft pick Derrick Coleman who is still unsigned and six tonight we caught up with nets executive vice president Bob Castillo who's. Being honored by the New Jersey tournament of champions a group that sponsors athletics for learning disabled

and physically challenged children and I asked Castro what about the stalemate the story with Derek is that there's ongoing talks we talk with his people today and we'll continue to talk and we're hopeful that sooner or later we're going to close this thing it's been very frustrating for both sides. Bob you think that 16 million dollar demand is salary is a posher from him that he doesn't want to come in play for the Nets. No I don't think that's the case at all. We talk with Derek at great length when we drafted him before we drafted him and we told him the problems we've had here and the kind of player we needed in what was one of the like coming into the situation. He was prepared for that. I think what's happened here unfortunately the people who represent him have made in the beginning set up some figures for him that were very unrealistic and once you come down from those people start to wonder and I think he's been very confused by that. That basically is the problem. Cassio said he's not sure about a timetable by the way nets in Miami tied 55 before 20000 the carrier tonight. Well it's Tuesday night we look at the state's top high school football teams and tonight Jerry Henry looks at the Franklin warriors.

The number one team in our poll the Franklin Warriors are a central jersey group three defending champs and five weeks into the season they are undefeated under new head coach Joe Stinson the Warriors high powered run in shoot off center is known for putting big numbers on the board. One of the reasons senior quarterback Louis Solomon who is master at the often pass oriented teamwork quarterback featured football team and we have the right guy pulling the trigger. This is Sullivan second year with the run and shoot and he says he loves it for good reason. Last year he tied the state record with twenty nine touchdown passes going over 2000 yards. But that record could be in trouble because he's already under way to surpassing that this season with better understanding of it and the reason is a raise is much easier than it was last year and is just more enjoyable because it's easier to pick out people and he's found open people 79 times for nine hundred seventeen yards and nine touchdowns. He's also rushed for four hundred thirty eight yards and six touchdowns. He's a very special kid you know in a lot of ways. People see the things he does on the field. They have to meet

him as a person and the way is his students a very special kid we may never have another one like that again. Solomons football skills as well as his 3.8 grade point average has gotten the attention of coaches from across the country. His next toughest decision may be deciding which school he wants to attend when he graduates. Jerry in New Jersey network news Franklin. So here's our NJ and top 10 frank with the number one team followed by union Randolph keeps on winning their third Dell Rand beat North Burlington there number four and Montclair is fine. Middletown south off a tie against mallet in 13 all drops to 6. Elizabeth is 7 Camden Catholic with a win over sentiments and is eight. St. Joseph of Montvale nine in Phillipsburg rounds out our top 10 hockey tonight the Devils are trying to win their first road game of the year and in the second period the Devils lead the islanders 5 1. New Jersey got a goal late first period Troy Crowder down the right side shot rebound and his first hl goal put New Jersey up one nothing. Devils goalie Chris to rary made a couple of

key late stops in the first period first McDonough then for coda. And it was one nothing after one. New Jersey can't Danica's scoring 30 seconds into the second period. His second goal of the year to a crowd in front that put New Jersey up to nothing. And right now I'm told the Devils have scored again they leave the Islanders in the second period 6 1 and the Philadelphia Flyers the hottest team in the NHL are trying to extend their win streak to seven games as they host Washington. Right now it's 2 2 flyers in caps in the second period caps lead 1 Nothing first period Bob rouse top of the blue line their floats one pass goalie can right get five minutes into the game. But the Flyers came back and even it here Murray Craven. I had to Rick takut takut between the legs of Mike Lee you talk it is scored two goals for the Flyers now and right now flyers in CAPS 2 2 in the second period at the spectrum. So the Devils and flyers are doing well. OK Pat thanks.

Coming up when will this rain finally end. I'll have the forecast. And Camden's first new housing construction in three decades. Stay with us. Forecasters have now called off a flood watch that had been in effect throughout the state

for small streams and urban areas. Heavy rains have left New Jersey with up to one and a half inches and more is expected by midnight. The rain and leaves are creating some slippery spots on the roadways. So be careful. Current conditions still raining in Newark and Trenton just cloudy in Atlantic City with temperatures in the mid 60s. Tonight's forecast rain heavy at times ending around midnight. The low is between 47 and 60 tomorrow partly sunny and breezy. The highs between 60 and 70. Thursday it'll be partly sunny and cooler. The highs between 47 and a nice 60 degrees. Well today was a big day for half a dozen new homeowners in Camden. As Deborah Zara reports they're the recipients of the first new housing to be built in the city and more than three decades. Gradually. Families receive keys to their new homes in Camden today joining the American dream of owning a home into a reality. It's the first new housing construction in

the city in nearly 35 years. The duplex homes are part of the subsidized housing project enabling low and moderate income families to purchase their first home. It's very hard to you know to get the downpayment specially for you buy a house. And without this program we wouldn't be here. Yvette and Frank Moran have a 10 month old daughter. Both of them work but saving for a three bedroom home of their own seemed impossible until now a future may in the future from our family my daughter especially my daughter. I want something great for her. This program is called a twofer project. Part of the agreement here homeowners who live in one half of their duplex must rent the other half to a low income family who thought what a marvelous opportunity to stabilize a neighborhood when we can talk about homeownership and at the same time for violating a rental unit for a low income family. The purchase price for three bedroom homes fifty five thousand dollars. Mortgage rates are about two percent below market. We need homeowners to come back into Camden and to live here. Homeownership brings a

stability to a neighborhood that renters just don't have. City officials are hoping that this project will spur further development in the city of Camden. What you're seeing here today demonstrates that this city is going forward. We've got a low season so far. And many of the homeowners who saw their new digs for the first time say it's been a long time coming. I'm excited. I'm really excited. And the houses are so nice and you know what the price that we get them for you can be to six families will move into these homes within the next few weeks and by February the rest of the unit should be completed. That means an additional 20 families can look forward to starting a new life here. Deborah Zara New Jersey network news Camden. Before we go this evening a few final thoughts on tonight's debate between U.S. Senate candidates Bill Bradley and Christine Todd Whitman. We go back to the debate site in weapon a New Jersey network news anchor that I had. Planned. Michael and I have been sitting here discussing the events of the evening and obviously both candidates wanted to win big here tonight and I think we agree

that both of them scored pretty evenly or pretty well and I think the senator himself wanted to do maybe a little bit better than he did as many observed in the in the last debate. Some said that he was flat and I think he was very spunky here tonight. I think he scored when he attacked Mrs. Whitman for failing to develop a state energy master plan during her tenure as president of the State Board of Public Utilities and Mrs. Whitman came back at him again on the Florio tax plan and failing to take a stand on that issue. Ok I find it a little difficult to evaluate a debate when you're also a participant in a debate as you just don't get to sit back relax and study something on television. Be that as it may I agree with you that Bradley was pretty feisty tonight. I thought actually he was the feistier of the two candidates I thought his attacks were the more scathing he needed tonight to demonstrate superiority in the foreign policy area or at least the command in that area and I think he certainly did that. The

differences between them on the dominant subject of the evening the Persian Gulf were pretty subtle I don't think I could distinguish. There didn't seem to be a whole lot of difference. They're both moderate politicians. The only place where they differ distinctly was on Israel and the UN vote to censure Israel. She said that was the right thing for the US to do to vote for that resolution he said it wasn't. His answer may play better in the Jewish community than her answer. Nonetheless she spoke. A principal speech there and these were two very smooth politicians tonight. I feel both did very well. Both are very articulate. And. In that sense alone I think you have to give some credit to Whitman. She is the novice at the state level. He is the practiced legend in our time in this state and for her to come off as his equal is to her credit. Amazing how both of them were able to wedge in on the domestic issues even though no

foreign policy debate and attack each other on the issues that have seemed to be coming to the fore so often in this campaign. But you know I heard Jim McQueen say a little earlier in his analysis of tonight's debate that Mrs. Whitman had to kick the senator in the show. Would she do that. She tried she gave a few kicks under the table. She tried to mention Florio as frequently as she could she closed with a kind of Caesar is an honorable man. Close she said I respect Bill Bradley but he's part of this mess down there in Congress. She tried I thought he was the one if she was kicking in the shins he was going for the gut. I thought he was the kind of rapier. Wit or sarcasm was belittling her belittling her and whether she had table the state energy master plan at the same time she's calling for a national energy master plan. When he talked about her support for the B-2 bomber said how can she be

for. Balancing the budget and support for spending this thirty billion dollars in the B-2 bomber and he basically challenged her to prove that she even knew what a B-2 bomber was and what a strategic mission was I saw that kind of sarcasm in attack mode on his part. That surprised me he said he's been staying above the fray all summer and that the senator has to be very careful though in this campaign because he is running against a woman and that could be mistaken. As another kind of attack and I think he has always been mindful of that last time around. He ran against the former mayor Mike Claire Mary Moe Shari and I think he was very skillful in not going on the attack and I have seen this not sure right up until almost to the end. I think it's a measure of the degree to which he has gotten to him in this campaign. I think she has proved herself to be a more difficult opponent than Mary My Cheri was in 1984 and I think we will all be looking on Election Day to the margin of victory. Pretty clear he's going to win

an election. Well we want to take a moment to remind everyone Michael that tomorrow night the network will broadcast a live call in program with Senator Bradley at 10:00 o'clock. And on Thursday night a call in program with Republican challenger Christine Whitman also at 10 o'clock on New Jersey network so we hope you tune in. And now back to Trish in Trenton. Thank You can Michael. Recapping tonight's top stories incumbent Democrat Bill Bradley and Republican challenger Christie Whitman faced off tonight in their second and last televised debate. The Forum centered on foreign policy issues and no injuries or damage or reported the result of the minor earthquake that rattled parts of South Jersey last night. And the FBI has opened three days of hearings on mob influence in the garment industry. That's our news for tonight I'm trying to guess. From all of us here at New Jersey network. Thanks for joining us. Good night.