Voter's Pipeline; Ballot Issues and Newly Elected Faces.

So I'll go go. Walk them do doing I can get into one of a series of special election programs on channel 50. Today we present the pro and con and look at the 15 state ballot initiatives. There are at least three issues that have received nearly as much publicity both pro and con as some of the major candidates running for state office. But again I know three along of the other 12 in the next half hour. Joining me in the analysis of the ballot issues are two legislative experts from the Orange County League of Women Voters. And now let's meet them. We follow the former publisher and distributor of the league pros and cons newspaper and a member of the league California voters Service Commission. Follows a bilingual resource teacher for the center a Unified

School District to present the advocacy given for each family. We presented it Walther's served as the director of the Orange County School Board Association Ms Walters also vice president of both the California Association of Community Colleges and the Saddleback Community College Board of Trustees. She'll present the opposition arguments for each ballot in next year. Each ballot and after that I'll begin the analysis of the year by reading each proposition as it appears on the ballot. And then this fall and that water will then present opposing views for each of the initiate. I emphasize that the view do not necessarily represent the views of the League of Women Voters nor no Pythian nor I might add. Many of us the first five propositions are all bonded. So we're going to discuss bonds and then we'll take each one as a topic. Let's start with some arguments early on. What is the reason for voting using bonds in general in order to provide money for major projects for long range benefit to the state. California raises money by selling bonds the bond buyers are paid off with interest only 20 to 30

years. In this way social projects can be undertaken when they're needed and the costs are borne over time by all those who share in the benefits. All right now let's take a look at whether the general argument really advanced for not thinking about how worthwhile the project may be. The state must eventually pay the bill with interest with far exceed the initial cost. The credit of the state is paid to these obligations with already total more than 10 billion dollars and our credit rating has slipped from Triple-A to devil a in an uncertain economic climate we can't continue to abrogate our future. First. Let's take a look now at the first five of the 15 which everybody accuse him of go to them very quickly so he can get on to some of the other ones. First for the state school board and lease purchase by law of 1982 this Act provides for a issue of 500 million to provide capital outlay for the construction or the improvement of public schools. And like all of them you can either vote yes or no on them. So what about that one. When the high school building was funded by bonds for

state loans paid off for increases in local property profit. Now from 1978 on the passenger Prop 13 is no longer possible. So in order to assure that our children have appropriate and crowded facilities for long then we must vote for Prop one. And what about that. Google cannot be financed on a pay as you go basis rather than bonding for two reasons. First to eliminate the additional cost of inputs. And also to assure that such constructional be subject to annual legislative review along with other items in the state budget. The second one the county jail capital expenditure by the act of 1981. Let's take a look at this one. The provide for the construction reconstructing remodeling and replacement of county jails and the performance of deferred maintenance on pursuant to a bond issue of two hundred eighty million dollars. And of course like the other one you either vote yes or no. What about that my lady. OK what county jail have people sentenced to terms of less than one year. And those who have been arrested or are awaiting trial. The public has the

tough treatment of crime so this requires more faith in the past jail from being financed by county. Find the passage of Prop 13 counties have been able to find new construction from local farms. What about the argument for no state and federal penal systems would have seen the cost of housing prisoners awaiting trial in court. And if they were seen here in general and all the programs for those who are in jail just because they can't afford bail. The county jail population will be dramatically reduced and make additional construction unnecessary. Book the next one for the veterans bond Act of 1982 a choice did go vote yes or no. Does that provide for a body of 450 million dollars to provide farm and home aid for California veterans. And what about that. Yes. 19:21 California has helped its wartime veterans by providing low cost loans to finance the purchase and improvement of farms and homes. Since the beginning recovery program has been entirely self-sufficient. Interest rates on the

low can even be wasted. Veteran payments do not cover bonds repayment and operating costs. And the no side. For half the time has come to re-evaluate this longtime method of showing appreciation to our veterans. All forms of assistance might better be business loans job training retraining and some practice we might consider giving cash bonuses to veterans rather than continuing this hurricane. Prop 4 this had to do with the Lake Tahoe acquisition by that because that provides funding for the proposition for the purchase of property in the Lake Tahoe Basin which is necessary to prevent the environmental decline of unique natural resources to protect the waters of Lake Tahoe from further degradation and to preserve the scenic and recreational value of the Lake Tahoe. Eighty five million dollars. What about that. The yes or the No. Well because of environmental problems created by Lake Tahoe is a growing population. Federal and state regulations prohibit going down at approximately 5000 locks on the California side of the lake. This means that the value of this property has been reduced

greatly and owners can either belt and recover their original investment so they really are entitled to fair compensation. What are the arguments again. Like come on the surrounding areas are in reality a national rather than a state treasurer. And California should not there so much of the burden of the protection. It would be more reasonable for the U.S. Forest Service which already has an acquisition and preservation mechanism in place to finance this important contract. Now proposition 5 we want to look at the first time homebuyers by the Act of 1982 that provides for about 200 million dollars to provide funds for financing housing. For many people. As you know we cannot afford to buy homes because of the high prices and high mortgage interest rates. Now with the proceeds from the sale of these bonds the state will be able to reduce mortgage loan interest rates for first time homebuyers and this time they should be entirely self-supporting much like the current program. So the buyer would be required to take out a second loan with payments to start off to the year

to pay off that cost bond principal interest and administrative expenses. The profile is based on the assumption that those who qualify for the reduced interest loans would in fact be able to make increasing annual payments for the first six years. On the first feed and then start paying on the second proceeds thereafter for us to be able to sell their property at a fair price. Now the conditions of unemployment and housing sales that we are seeing now could make these assumptions invalid. But to paint the first five if it were true or Baliga is not a good look at Proposition 6 which is the public pension fund investment. This from its legislature to authorize a larger percentage of investments unspecified types of common stock that you hear investment standard physical impact if implemented could result in opportunities for increased earnings accompanied by greater risk to the participating fund which could entail capital losses for the fun. What about that one. Well our employees the state and local government pay into a pension fund. The

Constitution now permits public pension fund managers to invest up to 25 percent of the funds income and stop. This proposition would allow fund managers to invest as much as 60 percent in common stock which for the past 60 years have had the best rates of return. This really would benefit clocks bears and retirees because more money would be available for benefits without higher government contribution. Why would someone be persuaded to vote no. Because common stocks are generally a higher risk investment than the government and corporate bonds and mortgages that they now invest in. And while many of California's newer and smaller corporations have been extremely successful they are nevertheless subject to economic uncertainty which make them inappropriate investments for the funds. Any losses would endanger the security of their retirement program. And another problem is that the administrator of the administering board is composed in part of political appointees who were not necessarily experts. In the product invest

17 billion dollars could be an appropriately. Prop 7. That's an interesting one. Whether it goes back to the days or Prop 13 I think it has something to do with the aftermath. That is a short one. But I talked about it very briefly prop 7 taxation real property valuation allows legislature to exclude construction of specified fire sprinkler or alarm system from newly constructed definition fiscal impact no impact until implemented. And I think the rest of it is that more logistics are known in court and so forth. What about that why would someone go get seven. Well under current law one fire safety devices are installed in a building these additions may be considered new construction and thereby trigger a reassessment and a higher cost. This proposition will amend the Constitution to permit exception of fire sprinklers all arms from property taxes. This would encourage the installation of fire sprinklers on lines which would protect both life and property. What about. What about the notes.

Well it's a good idea to have it fire protection the. And so these devices are already reducing their risk to their property they're reducing their insurance rates probably. And and so they have an additional tax advantage on the other hand if another. Company business or home installs fire devices which are not required by law they would be passed. Now this is another inequity that Proposition 13. Has created. And this is not resolved. All right. A. Temporary transfer of funds by local governments for maintenance changes limit and for repayment basis for accruing taxes to anticipate revenue fiscal impact no direct fiscal impact. What about that. We're not talking about Prop 8. Well if this proposition is approved local agency and districts would be able to borrow money from the county Treasury based on their anticipated revenues which includes property and sales comp he was tied to another assessment not just from there accruing taxes.

This really would help local agencies maintain service and to property taxes and assessments are collected twice a year and outside of that one when money is invested and interest free to local agencies it reduces the cash available for the cities and counties to invest and therefore reduces their potential interest income. I know for folks laving see 3DO for extended periods which they can finance and pay as you go basis or else they will have to go out and borrow. From private lenders and pay the interest. Now I will give that a little bit more time to this because it affects a lot of people but nothing to do with school textbooks no public school authorized provision of textbooks on a library type loan to non public school pupils are expressed fighting different fiscal impact no impact until implemented were implemented. The annual cost would exceed four million dollars for a similar program for 1981 and grade K to 8 million and grades 9 to 12. No administrative cost. What about that.

California's constitution calls for free tax to all public school students grades 1 through 8 from 72 to 1940. The legislature has provided for the loan of Texas to students in private school. In 1980 the California Teacher's organization sued the state superintendent of schools claiming that this violated the state constitution prohibition of state 8:52 public school textbooks have been paid for by all parents for that if a child were in a public school he would automatically receive the tax but. I find it interesting that all private school children were to enroll in public school tomorrow. It would cost the state over 1 billion dollars annually. I what about that one. Well first of all no argument costs and procedures of administrating this free long program haven't even been created by the legislature of the court. This would really walk into a situation we know very little about. The amendment would benefit primarily sectarian schools and those schools which were founded to

circumvent by saying it will not assist children is good for the handicapped because they are already provided but controlled by the state. And it could provide free books. To high school students in private schools although it is the public school district. For those now with steadily declining state funds for public education which is California's first priority. Any allocation of funds to any other purpose reduces the amount of money available to public schools. And California is spending less per pupil than any other state on public education. Further reductions are clearly unacceptable. Can you define superior municipal and justice courts. Legislature may provide for unification of the courts within our county to county electric majority vote. This will impact no impact until implemented in most states and how the increased salary and retirement costs for judges elevated and I know administrative costs the city. We were official would allow our county to unify a trial court system.

This would be only an option. It would have to be approved by the local voters. A unified court could save taxpayers as much as 15 percent of court costs by eliminating duplication in record keeping administration and facility. It would also be speedier and more efficient since workloads could be distributed more equally among judges eliminating separate procedures and separate cost effective now. Or. Even some of the efficiencies that we described are already being attempted in some counties. The net effect of ten would be to increase costs because all Vergis would receive the highest salaries are paid to superior court judges. And also because that's holding the local decision elections in the county the elections are costly like equality under the law would be threatened by inconsistency from application of the law from one county to another and this local option is really not guaranteed because the counties don't have the right to vote until the state legislature determines that they do.

Take the proposition 11 this is one of those three we said we're going to get a lot of examination and a lot of. Discussion a lot of exposure on television a lot of money being spent and this is the beverage containers Proposition 11. Requires each week on the five cents or more that must be paid on return of empty containers. Fiscal impact not fiscal effect cannot be determined could be reduced litter clean up and solid waste disposal costs and an increase or decrease in tax revenue collection. It seems to me that there is a lot of ambivalence about this. Again that last section that says don't increase or decrease in tax revenue collection. So what are the argument about Proposition 11 which set up a refundable deposit system for beverage containers in California under its provision consumers would be required to pay a deposit of at least five cents on any beer or soft drink container. We are certainly Dempsey senators who we find in the past that when empty containers where we turn and they in turn would then get back to the pot

that close to 20 percent handling fee when they return the bottles and cans to the wholesaler. So at the bottom there's. The Environmental Protection Agency estimates that can somebody else make up to 60 percent of roadside litter that is made of other states with a statue set statistics show that we can eliminate 80 percent of containers litter if Proposition 11 might pop. Also a refillable bottle may be used up to 10 times and washing and we feel it consumes about a third of the energy used in manufacturing. I knew one copy never really accomplishes its purposes without setting up a government bureaucracy or using taxpayer money. One of the arguments that on the no side because this is one of those hotly contested one is. We have only to drive a few miles in California to recognize that the container is targeted by this measure represent just the part of our litter problem. The solid waste generated in homes and factories consist of far more than soft drink and beer containers. Yet we are not acting to control fruit juice or wine bottles or paper cups and wrappers.

We cannot legislate personal responsibility for recycling and conservation nor should we make laws that single out certain industries to clean up their act. Proposition 11 would impose costly requirements on soft drinks and beer producers and handlers while requiring lower deposit on containers that consumers would not be motivated to participate in the program. Contradictory findings by various researchers suggest that real direct and indirect cost to consumers manufacturers and dealers cannot be accurately predicted. But we can assume that a call for increased consumers for pay and if profits decline. So of course trading is. One of the things that is very difficult for the average person to understand about. It is the contradictory. Absolutely contradictory claim being made on both sides. Let me give you an example and this is from the California ballot Halpert which I suggest and I highly recommend anyone to better understand it. This is an impartial source. The

California ballot pamphlet general election put out by the Office of the secretary of state. If you don't have one and you didn't get one to bail it out and get your local registered voters office in Orange County. One sentence in particular here. Here is the side that saying vote vote in favor of 11 similar measures have been passed in New York Michigan Oregon Massachusetts Connecticut Iowa Maine Delaware and Vermont. They've been popular and effective 90 percent of the containers are returned to be reused and recycled down the exact same publication on the other side. This is the side again that the argument against Prop 11 experience and other state shows Prop 11 will increase fight destroyed existing voluntary recycling program. Increase the use of fuel and water lose jobs in manufacturing industries and create sanitation problems and food stores. And a group that stood against this call the California for sensible laws is brought to my attention a report by. Dr. David gawdy director said the center is 133. This is referring to a study by the Center

for Economic Research. That said the center is one hundred and thirty three page economic analysis shows that such a law would be an inefficient and costly public policy and it would cost 300 million a year. And I understand you see Irma in here know has made a study also and they come with a completely opposite result. So I would say to anyone that could make up their mind that one should do some independent homework and then judge for yourself. Top 12. Top 12 nuclear weapons another one of the big three is quite good. Generating a lot of interest nuclear weapons requires a governor vice president urging Poppa's proposal to the Soviets to jointly haul nuclear weapons testing production and development fiscal impact. No direct fiscal and BS that I'm reading from is exactly the way you will be reading them when you go into the polling place to vote on November 2nd. What about that one. The U.S. Constitution gives the president the power to make treaties with the country and the people the right to complain about the government actions and to express their views in passing Proposition 12 we'd be exercising this right. Top 12 would

require our governor to follow a letter to President Reagan and other federal officials urging that the US proposed to the Soviet Union that both countries agree to halt testing production and deployment of all nuclear weapons in a way that could be verified by both sides. A yes vote will let the world know that the American people are serious about ending the nuclear arms race. It just like prop Proposition 11 cop 12 is one of those that seems to becoming a contest of television commercials to see what. What well-produced television commercials can persuade you to go one way or the other. What about the no side with all the issues that have been discussed. Really don't have any bearing on electioneering arguments pro and con on nuclear proliferation. And then. When the real effect of this is is simply that the governor of California who will be a lame duck governor will be asked and a lot of letters to Washington. There is nothing binding in this letter. It is only advisory. And in

fact two of the items directed to be included in the letters are already being addressed. President Reagan has proposed to take arms reduction talks and we are now monitoring by satellite and I think the vice is therefore it is not likely to hasten the freeze and could be interpreted as an indication that Americans are willing to lower our defenses. No matter what position we have as individuals on nuclear weapons. And there certainly are convincing arguments on both sides. Our obligation as American citizens is to speak directly to Washington. Again I urge anyone interested in this one again to consult your California ballot because it is an impartial source for to the millions of dollars that are being spent on many of the politicians on both sides where there is a definite axe to grind to persuade you to vote. Look for an impartial source and get some objective homework on them. Very quickly now we've got a few more to get to here. Prop 13 is an important one about water water resources. That is regarding Interbase and conservation programs allowed to

stream appropriations Stanislovas river uses and critical groundwater overdraft regulation fiscal impact overall physical effect cannot be determined. What about that the wire has long been a center of controversy in California. California's water is in the northern third of the state. Most of the people on farms in the southern Tucows state proposition 13 in our state water law policies encouraging conservation and discouraging the building of more projects would help end wasteful and inefficient uses of water and also pre-calc rivers and streams and groundwater supplies there overpumping many about the no site for profit. First of all this would place a tremendous amount of power in the hands of political appointees who are not answerable for. That. The provisions are costly. Many water users do not feel assured that they will have adequate supplies of water and because the issue is so complex it is sure to go into court.

It simply is not a well strong one. That's going to pop 14 reapportionment commission. Repeals legislatures power over reapportionment and establishes the reapportion legislative and equalization district starting with 1984 has to do with reapportionment. Let's talk about that. I will reapportionment is traditionally a highly political process in which the party in power legislature redraw district lines to benefit its candidate. Nothing that's more damning to fair elections don't allow the legislators to draw their own district lines by taking away our reapportionment from the legislature and providing a districting commission. It would be it would really take some of that away. All right what about that very quickly on the notes. Last year the voters told the legislature this state that they did not like the way the boundaries have been drawn and required that the legislature redraw the boundaries. That message was so loud and clear that it made this commission unnecessary.

Rather than remove powers from the legislators if we're not pleased with their actions. What we need do is remove legislators from the seat of power. And the important thing you do is be a question about it being a final one. Let go very quickly to that has to do with God and the other big budget item requires registration of handguns. Limits number of handguns allowed the state prohibits absolute legislative ban on possession of firearms. Fiscal impact indeterminable impact. Yes I keep it short. There's general agreement that crime is a serious problem public problem hanging's account for 90 percent of all firearm violence and at least five times more family members and intruders are killed by him and without any regulation and handguns in California would double by 1990. What about cop 15. Private gun ownership is viewed by many Americans as not only a right that the responsibility for protecting family and. Country. There is a fear that the promised confidentiality of registration records could not be insured.

Many reasons to oppose this. On the other hand many people want total gun banning and they say they won't do the job because this proposition which prevents the legislature from ever banning handguns or confiscating them or regulating long guns. Neither side really is satisfied with this proposition. Again the best advice that I can give is for anyone to get a hold of the California ballot pamphlet carefully and thoughtfully read the arguments are two three pages of arguments on both sides thoughtfully constructed and thoughtfully composed to give everyone a chance to decide that. Does it look to the both of you like big big money but it will influence the outcome of the ballot. Fortunately And I do hope that programs like this will simulate the voters to do their independent thinking OK again I want to tell everyone that with this program it's not that like the views of the League of Women Voters. Of channel 50 other than having to deal with necessarily with the view that we're expressing. Time is up and I want to thank the Powell and Walter of The League of Women Voters for being with us today to give this

another 15 ballot. But the best advice is to do some of your own homework. Now that we have gone through the. And remember channel 50 where we will be reporting all the decisions and not only the balloting but all the candidates on election night from 9:00 p.m. to 1:00 a.m. right here on Channel 50 that Tuesday night November 2nd. Will you be with us. And here are the results of not only the ballot issues but all the important candidates races going on here. Cooper thanks for being with us. We know we know so

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we know. At least the 1982 elections are behind it. Voters have made their decision as to who represent them from Orange County in today's program will meet with two new political faces. Reapportionment has created two new offices the 30 second state Senate and the third congressional seat will meet with representatives of these offices right now. State senator from the 30 second district of Republican Edward Royce. Senator elect Royce has been a Republican activists sharing the Cal State Fullerton Young Republicans Club he's a tax manager for the Southwestern Portland cement company in Los Angeles. He also served as campaign for Orange County assemblyman John Lewis. Ron Packard Republican write in candidate for the 43rd district has won the congressional seat. He's made some history going up to Congressman elect Packard was formerly the mayor of Carlsbad. In fact practicing

dentist for 25 years. He's a former member of the California Senate Select Committee of transportation problem. Director of the Carlsbad Chamber of Commerce president of the San Diego County Committee and vice chairman of the North County transit you know whether you have made some history certainly. Congressman elect Packard I understand that you are the fourth congressman in the history of the United States to be elected by write in that you had the largest write in history and that you are the first Californian ever to win a state or federal office either right now you're part of the history book now I like one man in the Guinness book of records. Records are not important particularly but I think the campaign with an outstanding campaign and that probably the most important thing of all we're going to talk about that. How do you feel after a hectic race here is that one of the hotter races. There were some very heated exchanges between you and your opponent Bob Baer. How do you feel. Well Jim I feel especially good from the fact that this was supposed to be a safe Democratic seat. The registration was approximately 36 percent Democratic and I won with approximately

54 percent of the vote. So I feel that this was a victory for me and certainly for all the volunteers which helped me in this race. You both have different missions you could go to the state legislature where money is a big problem and you'd go to the Congress where money is a big problem. So at least you have a commonality of interest before we get started discussion today. Let's take a look at the situation as it is now in our country at the federal level the state level and the county level following the election. Let's start with the U.S. Senate. If there were any messages to be sent about the Reagan government. And whether people like Reaganomics or didn't that message didn't come to the U.S. Senate the U.S. Senate started this election with 54 Republicans and 46 Democrat and it remains unchanged. The fill the Senate on his side of the aisle taking a look at the US Congress the Democrats here gain 24 seats and if there was a message I suppose the message would be coming through the house. Of course each change plans how although we should have a caveat there because this usually happens in an off year election where the

whatever the power whether it's Democrat or Republican is in the White House. Usually the other side gain so to at least the extent that those 24 seats can be called a message or possibly is a message that while the captain of the ship should not be changed perhaps the court should be changed a little bit if that could be the message. The GOP in the House has 167 now the Democrats hold 260 266 266 seats. That's a gain of 24 asleep in the House of Representatives. Taking a look at the State Senate where there are 40 feet before the election the Democrats had 23 seats the Republicans held 17 after the election in the state senate where Mr. Roiphe will soon be going. The Democrats hold 25 seats the Republicans hold 15 seats. So the Democrats gain two seats in the in the state senate. Taking a look at the State Assembly where there are 80 feet before the election the Democrats held 48 seats. The Republicans 31 seats and that was one vacancy

after the election. The state assembly has 48 Democrats the same number but that vacancy was filled by Republicans bringing the total to 32 Republicans. Taking a look at the 43rd congressional race now it goes very very exciting. I talked about that first. Just before we went on the air we checked again with San Diego and we have the very latest figures. And these are as follows. Packard Republican the right and sixty five thousand four hundred forty nine for the Democrats fifty seven thousand four hundred eight. And clearing the Republican who is the one that won the nomination in the primary. Fifty five thousand five hundred eleven trailing in third place position. This is a race with so many records it's hard to start to talk about. Let's take a look first though and see what the 30 second state senate total was where we have right in a predominately Democrat district remember exactly what the number of the registrations were would be 1 percent Democratic and approximately thirty six point nine percent Republican. Let's take a look again

now in the 30 second state Senate race. That's right. The Republican seventy six thousand five hundred ninety nine of the Democrats sixty five thousand eight hundred ninety one. Let's go back and talk about that because it's such an extraordinary race. And in 30 years as a newsman I've never done a campaign program where we were interviewing 20 one candidate. So that makes it a record 21 candidate 18 Republican Democrat. I think we ought to start right now and ask you about this incredible race. What motivated you to run in the first place. Well in the primaries of course I thought I would find myself running for a state office. Because we expected our state senator to move up to replace Kleinberg and my father in the House of Representatives. But he chose to remain and and run for his own seat and state assemblyman Bob freezy chose to remain in his seat. And so that left the congressional seat open with Clyburn retiring I just had been encouraged by a lot of

people in the way I served a long time and they asked if I would be interested in able and willing to serve. And I indicated that I would and that's what got us going and. Receive it had received attention this 43rd congressional race has received attention because of the extraordinary dimensions of this race the amount of dollars spent. Johnny Krien with a million dollars spent with spend more of that than the congressional race that has happened in either the primary or the general. A total of over a million dollars and perhaps the amount might be larger than numbers of candidates. It was the biggest congressional race in the country. And what happened then what was the dialogue that began going on here when you were all of our staff and there with a lot of acrimony a lot of very heated discussion a lot of ill feeling about it. How do you feel about all that. Well it's unfortunate that out of the primary election came such a strong feeling by the people that the quality of the campaign became part of the issue in the general election. As you know that it was

through the media the media really did not help Mr. Crean's position at all as far as people's attitude toward him. And that just seemed to get momentum and it created more and more of a problem and the write in really really caught on well and obviously before we were done we had a remarkable core of volunteers that I wanted to ask you about that. But I want to ask first of Claire Bergner given out to anybody or did he when he stepped down did he not favor any one of the candidates. Claire took a neutral position because of his involvement in Deukmejian campaign and did not wish to let the controversy of the 43rd race creep into our into the mains. And I think that he found himself in a position that he would use it had no other alternative. See I know how he felt about me personally and I know he would have liked to have endorsed me but I think that under the circumstances he decided to stand aside. I think I heard that. I just wanted to be sure. Now tell me the reaction after this vitriolic campaign ad with Bush and Ford being injected into it. And then Mr. Creon said he

was changing he was the new guy afterwards and so forth in the general election did the tone dramatically change or the campaign or could you make the comment on that. I think that people still perceive the problems of the primary election and then John Akun was never able to say that an unfavorable impression that people had. And and I guess that's a fact of politics that once there is an unfavorable attitude among the people that virtually cannot remove it. And that haunted him all through the general election. Another question and I said we're coming to Detroit that I'd like to ask a few more questions about this one first in your race. What was the attitude of all of your colleagues the other 17 Republicans who argue after the primary almost without exception they came to me and asked if I would consider running as a write in and after I made the decision then they for the most part came aboard. There was three or four that didn't. And for their own

personal reasons but they not only came aboard but they put their campaign organization to work for me and it became significant helpers out the big $64 question is how to do it. But before we did that let's let's let the viewers know what did you spend on then what we found in the campaign primary in general on the primary. It was about a hundred and eighty thousand dollars more or less. And on the general election about 120000 normally anywhere else in the country that would be considered a lot of money. A lot of them then according to congressional races. Was diminished by comparison if you're going to be in a contest of dollar bills. That was thrilling in the general election was that we were able to raise the amount of money we did. We honestly did not expect to be able to raise as much money as we did. And that that helped a great deal. But I believe it reflected the commitment that people had for the cause that we were trying to espouse. How did you go about with such a disparate area and such a widely spread area 80 miles to drive from one end of the 43rd congressional district to the other end of it. How did you

go about this enormous job of having people write for someone whose name doesn't even appear on the ballot. How you do it. Well no major stumbling blocks that we had overcome not having a name on the ballot as you know GM is one of the most significant difference usually devastating is usually the kiss of death. It's just impossible to evaluate how difficult it is when you don't have your name on the ballot. Secondly we want to run against big money. Certainly we didn't have party support. They didn't have the customer support. We didn't we had a difficult ride in procedure particularly some of the counties a very difficult riding procedure. Somebody would walk in the guns I'd just say I want to vote for Ron Packard or HOWARD What would you have to tell him. Well we know we had to tell him what to do but we wanted to actually demonstrate it in short. And now would you go about doing that. The one place that was the heart of our campaign was that we had to make certain that they knew how to do it. We had over 7000 volunteers in our campaign which is an incredible number of people in but set forth and called

and came in and said we want to help you we believe in what you're doing. What can we do with that. That it's an idea of what kind of strength we had and so on Election Day not only. Well first of all I should say that we are. We covered every precinct. By volunteers where they would show people how to do the right and right at their doors. That was a great effort that we made. And then on Election Day we had over 20 600 volunteers out in the precincts at each polling place. We had little booths that were organized with a sign saying voter information on arrival. And we people would drop by there on the way to the polling place and would show them how to do the write in and they'd go right in right after being shown amazing. We're going to talk about some of your priorities now. Right. What about this race how do you feel now that the dust has settled somewhat from this election. Are bad feelings between you and your Democratic opponent. I have a letter that was sent out by your side and go to that that was sent out by his side and so forth. What about that Peter letter to Ed Royce 31 years old wants it to believe that he still lives at home with his mother. How do you respond to that.

Well the way I can respond to that is the title there is Hollywood L.A. is the home of movie stars and state senate candidate Ed Royce. Of course I've never lived in Hollywood in my life. And when you receive a piece of mail like that that's the end of it. That's correct. And you receive a piece of mail like that in the mail box and you realize what your opponents are trying to do. That's not the only piece which he sent out in the campaign which antagonized me. There's there's three or four others which are complete misrepresentations of my position. He said he said that your side gave him some bad shots with it when you say now playing the out of towners starring Tom Hayden and Frank clever that you were trying to tie him up with Tom Hayden then well find and for you. Yes. In 1976 my opponent raised funds for Tom Hayden for U.S. Senate and he's taken exception with the fact that I have made this an issue in the campaign. But I feel that the people in central Orange County giving their philosophy and getting their stand on the issues that that that is of

interest to them. I think that one of the things which benefited me and the campaign is we spent a great deal of time in precinct work. Talking with people and handing out brochures which gave my stand on all of the issues education transportation Social Security and so forth jobs. And so when doing the last bits of direct mail attacks. When the voters were subjected to pieces of mail which said that I was in favor of cutting Social Security that I was in favor of going to private funding for education and and abolishing the public education system. They already knew my stand on those issues. What is it. Very quickly. My stand is that I'm in favor of establishing a priority for education in the state of California according to the state constitution that should be one of the priorities. I'm I'm fully in favor 100 percent in favor of defending the Social Security system. Let's get into priority because from the very moment the very moment that we both knew that you were a winner. Even though you will not be sworn in until January at

this very moment you are Senator elect you are a congressman elect and this moment I presume you are already trying to galvanize your system of priorities your set of priorities. Let's talk about that. Let's start with you and the fact that what. Priorities have you set for yourself and self-discipline right now. Well I certainly don't want in any way to get caught up in the excitement of Washington and let that deteriorate the quality of representation I give to this because often we find that we go back to our elected officials go back and get caught up in the scene and we don't see them anymore and I want to represent the people and their concerns here at the local level. Obviously we've got a lot of preparation to do before we go back and do my duty setting up our offices in the various parts of the district in Washington in selecting and working toward getting Committee appointments which are important that is not the answer as a congressman. Those are a high priority. I'm meeting with Claire Bergen the next week with him with the hope that we can

outline how to make the transition from his administration to mine as smooth and as effective as it can be and carry on some of the things that he has already started or is in process in in the district that will help to maintain the momentum we've got. I think a lot of people of both County would like to have this question at Sandiego people in one kind people. How do you propose that the Congress is going to do a good job effectively representing both areas. Because you have an additional taxes I see it trying to represent interest of San Diego County northern San Diego County and represent the interests of southern Orange County. That's been a significant importance to us and to me we'll have an office in each part of the district one in Orange County in the heart of my district. And of course one in San Diego County also I would be organizing what I call congressional advisory committees in several areas. Agriculture education military affairs and small business in

housing and in a multitude of areas and those. I will be calling from your experts in each part of my district to serve on those committees that will advise me as to the concerns that added to that position and their feelings about a particular area that they serve and whether it be housing or military affairs. I think that will give me a feedback. From the very constituents that like me that will help me to draft up legislation that affect the kicker. Do you foresee any conflict for example where there's an issue of interest to San Diego County are issues of interest to one another example of where you put an airport to an airport. I don't think transportation the bullet train any other question for any conflict or the ability to serve both. So I think that it's not a conflict that it actually calls for someone that will actually be able to work cohesively with the too good to actually accomplish those kinds of things the airport and traffic problems freeway system exactly a beach and

beach erosion problem that we've got to deal with if we got a nuclear plant right almost on the border of the two part of that county. Those are areas where I think the congressman has got to take a position of helping the whole district in not allowing counties or the two parts of the district to become a. I hope I can become a catalyst in putting that together right in the coming year point Mr Crean during the campaign and I interviewed him two or three times. He continually said that his main mission was to go back and just be a Reagan man and he was going to do with whatever Reagan indicated needed to be done. You call a little bit with that. What would you say that you have other other priorities other than to do what the administration tells you to do. Or I would never do. I would never vote contrary to what I feel is in the best interest of the people in the district and the country. I won't be a puppet to anyone. And I have great admiration for the president I think philosophically him politically we align with each other we align with each other quite

well. Certainly I take the Republican conservative viewpoint for the most part but if I didn't feel it was right I wouldn't vote in line with a person's life because that example is on any one of your colleagues Congressman Dan Lincoln who has been a very ardent supporter of the. Other president. Voted against the Nedney billion dollar tax cut because he was philosophically opposed to it and so did Congressman Denham as ever republican. Congress that voted in favor of it. You'd have to vote what you feel is in the best interest of the country and if it's in opposition to the president's position I think you're are less than a good congressman if you don't do what you feel is right. How would you describe what kind of incentives are you going to be right. Well I would say Jim that my interest in running primarily came from what I've seen over the last eight years. And the Democratically controlled legislature under Brown's administration and what I've witnessed is a change in priorities in state government funding in one way. I've seen the funding removed from education. I've seen the funding removed from transportation and

instead the funding has gone to increase both the welfare funding of the budget and the general increase in regulatory agencies and the regulatory process run out of Sacramento. And I think that we've moved in precisely the wrong direction. We've gone in education from nearly one of the I think it was seventh in the nation to the point where we're 47 50 now 50 50. And in money that we spend for a child and yet and yet the budget for the state of California during that period of time has gone from eleven point five billion up to 26 billion dollars and yet we have we have robbed education in that process. And the answer as to the question of where that money has gone has been it has gone to fund a massive growth in the regulatory system in California. We are now involved in attempting to regulate just just about every business every type of business from veterinary medicine to the California Council of the arts to the California Department of Energy. And

I believe that these services performed by government it's such an incredibly high cost are in the first place probably not even a benefit to the average Californian. I think that the the amount of money which is being taken out of circulation in the economy out of capital investment and moved over into this area is very counterproductive. The second the second area which has grown so rapidly is welfare spending which is now the highest per capita in the nation. And I think the answer this we have to go to some type of workfare program. And. Realign the priorities back to education back to transportation which will begin to create jobs and create the growth for future California growth. And that's my my basic thrust of my philosophy is Sacramento. Many problems that need to be addressed growing kind of for example transportation are not necessarily a partisan problem. I mean Democrats above the Republicans have trouble getting up and down the freeway. Do you feel you'll be able to work with both parties. Yes I do. Public and colleagues as well as your Democratic colleagues on issues such

as transportation such as education such as water. Yes I do I need that need to be solved. Let me say why I think that we were in an excellent position now as far as transportation. We have just elected a governor who's a Republican. By approximately 50 thousand votes. One hundred and sixty six thousand of those votes came from Orange County. That was the the increase in votes for margin over. They didn't have anywhere to say thank you for this election. I think we have to stay strong. Thank you Candy. Absolutely. And now we have with the election of Dorce Allen and myself two additional Republican members of the delegation. So I think as far as transportation where we're now suited in a position to say let's do something to to re-establish the situation where Orange County for so long has been a donor County and transportation passing up revenue but not receiving that service out of Sacramento. Sometimes estimated at 20 cents on the dollar coming back to Orange County for money that goes up from my taxes. I think we should add to your. List there. That Governor Brown took two

hundred and eight thousand votes out of Orange County. But but. Pete Wilson the mayor of San Diego took four hundred thirty seven thousand over two to one. So if Pete Wilson has someplace to say thank you for the election at least for a good part of it he'd have to say thanks to one fan. What about your colleague from San Diego Mr. Wilson sitting at the United of. I'm extremely pleased with it. He was elected to the great state of California in the city of San Diego. But certainly for the whole country I've worked with him before and two mayors in the same county and developed a good relationship with the mayor's committee. They call themselves the San Diego County mare who was a member of the committee that we said that I was the class of all. And I was always glad to be able to work with. How would you describe the hem of the political spectrum when you call him a moderate very conservative or quite liberal within the Republican framework. Oh I think he would be classified in the moderate who is a good administrator and a good leader and I think that he will do an exceptionally good job as senator.

A lot of the questions that Mr. Royce and that is about the ability to work with both sides of the aisle to be working with a Democrat Gary Patterson. But you'll be working with a lot of Democrats and they're going into a. Situation with the house. Now what was the figure. A hundred and sixty seven Republicans and two hundred and sixty six Democrats have to work with the other side of the aisle. How do you how do you feel about that. I've never had problems working. I've been in a non-partisan office for many many years and it's never been a problem to work with Republicans or Democrats. I think that we will find that we can develop a working relationship that will be healthy for the whole. I think a good example is there are problems and certainly in our area is for the third congressional district and then some other places for example are being planned and which are areas that have enormous problems to deal with the beaches with recreation area with the question of oil exploration. And there are problems that need some problem solving on both sides of the aisle both with local issues and the fortitude that are

part of an almost all bipartisan issues that we need to get the job done and do the work to provide the type of government services that they do. I don't believe that we're going to find that partisan politics will get involved in the services that government can give to them. You mentioned in office that you're going to establish enough staff. You think you're going to have to do some homework on getting to know one county better. I'm sure you know San Diego County. I think I probably started. I evaluated the primary election outcome and determined that Orange County was my weakest area in the primary. And I spent most of my time up here in the general election four and five days a week. I've taken three days or three trips a day up here to meet with people to work with problems and then to become from a we're going to start to think about putting a staff together. Have you already started with them. We're going to go slow. I'm not I don't want to move in a lot quicker than it is right and it's good because it's a very important move. And your staff will often determine how effective you are is almost always going to be a mine where you can establish your office and have the oil hopefully be in the center part of

my district than somewhere in the area of law or someone somewhere. And have you made up your mind about your staff and your office here. I think people would like to know that as far as my office I think Anaheim is fairly centrally located and I would suspect that I will establish an office in Anaheim. As far as the staff it's a little early. I've interviewed a few people talked to a few people but no I've made no decision that if there's one thing I'd like to do something you haven't thought I would like to get them. Oh I would say that the my first priority would probably be. To do to do something about the transportation system. Granted GM Perko see to it that she's on our way out. And that someone else is on the way in. Absolutely. Good luck to you Senator elect goys make it happen. You Jim you have the job cut out for you. Time is almost up now. The program ends our special election maybe to to. I hope that channel

50 and all of us here have help the voters of one county and San Diego County and making the best decision as to who is representing them in that government. Please join us next week at the same time for our new program at 8:30. I'm Jim Cooper. Thanks for being with us. No no