The Line; 116; Dan Shingler

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TO MAKE THE GRADE ON STATEWIDE AND LOW-FAT DIETS ARE A FAILURE "THE LINE" IS NEXT. >> Steve: HI, I'M STEVE UNM LAW PROFESSOR MARGARET ALBUQUERQUE TRIBUNE COLUMNIST, MEXICO BUSINESS WEEKLY, DAN VICE-PRESIDENT AND HEAD OF MEDIA THAT OUR LIVELIHOODS AND YET THE WASHINGTON, D.C.-BASED YEAR IN A ROW GAVE OUR STATE

DAN, ARE THEY RIGHT? >> Dan: I SUPPOSE THAT'S DEPENDS DIFFERENT THINGS, SAYING YOU'RE AND AS I RECALL FROM THE STUDY PROPERTY TAKES. WE WERE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF >> Steve: ARE THEY RIGHT, JOHN? >> John: THEY ARE, AND IT'S THE NEW MEXICO IS REALLY UNIQUE IN WHEN I WAS RUNNING A COMPANY BUSINESS, WE GOT SOME RELIEF IN >> Steve: THE CONSTRUCTION >> John: THE REASON IT IS BAD IS WE HAVE A LOT OF IT.

SERVICES THAT HAVE A COMPETITIVE NOT HAVE TO CHARGE A 7.5 PERCENT DO. THE BUYER IS GOING TO PAY "X" HAVE TO REMIT SEVEN PERCENT OF THAT'S TOUGH FOR THE BUYERS. >> Steve: MARGARET, YOU SAID YOU >> Margaret: I THINK WITH ELIMINATE IT FROM SERVICES, HOW >> Steve: THAT'S ALWAYS THE >> Margaret: RIGHT. BUT I THEY'RE A FAIRLY CONSERVATIVE >> Steve: THEY ARE THE ONE THAT >> Margaret: THEY ARE BEST KNOWN PAY OFF THE FEDS AND THEN THE STATE.

PRIORITIES, WHICH IS A MORE >> John: LEFTIST. >> Margaret: I DON'T MIND SAYING >> John: SURE. >> Margaret: SO THAT WHEN THEY MEXICO IS PERHAPS 29TH, THAT'S NOT MEDIOCRE. IT MEANS THAT JUST CHANGING A THE TOP HALF. AND ALL AROUND, I THINK THAT NEW MEXICO IS A PRETTY GOOD BUSINESS CLIMATE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF WORKERS, THAT IS WHAT IS CALLED THE QUALITY OF JOBS, JOBS AVAILABLE, AND THE FAIRNESS. >> John: ALSO PART OF THE >> Steve: RIGHT.

>> Margaret: ALL OF THAT. OF KEEPING JOBS. >> Gene: I HAVE TO DISAGREE A WE DO OKAY. >> Steve: YOU HAD A BUSINESS. >> Gene: I HAD A BUSINESS, AND BUSINESS BY SBA STANDARDS. IT'S A BIG BITE, THIS GROSS DID BUSINESS OUT OF STATE, TOO, WHAT I GOT OUT OF THE STUDY WAS THAT YEAH, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE GOOD, IF ANYTHING. HERE, REALLY BUILDING WEALTH, >> Dan: THE GROSS RECEIPTS TAX, COMPLAINT, WHAT JOHN IS TAX FOUNDATION" BIGGEST

IT WILL BE THEIR BIGGEST >> Steve: IT'S A REGRESSIVE TAX >> Dan: -- IT'S A REGRESSIVE ON PERSONAL INCOME TAX POLICIES, OF STIFLING PEOPLE. >> Steve: WHAT ABOUT MARGARET'S >> Dan: WELL, SHE'S RIGHT. >> John: THE TAX STRUCTURE, WHICH INCLUDES ALL OF THE TAXES, WHAT THEIR ETIOLOGY IS IN THIS. STATES, AND THERE IS NO REASON RANKING IS INACCURATE. TAXES. PROPERTY TAXES, BECAUSE IT'S A YOU CAN'T KEEP RAISING EVERYBODY

EVERY YEAR. ADVANTAGEOUS. >> Steve: AND COULD COMPENSATE. >> John: AND SO IF THE GROSS >> Steve: 28TH OR 29TH, THE ONLY CALIFORNIA, NEW JERSEY, NEW THE BOTTOM IN THE TAX SURVEYS. >> Margaret: THAT'S RIGHT, BUT I MEAN, AND THAT'S TRUE FOR THE NUMBER OF CORPORATIONS THAT ARE IN THOSE STATES AS COMPARED TO THE SMALLER STATES. >> Gene: THEY ARE HEADQUARTERED >> Margaret: BUT ALSO, THE AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WANTED FREEDOM DAY. INCORRECTLY, AND I THINK THAT THAT WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THE

AVERAGE AMERICAN PAY IN TERMS OF >> Steve: TO KIND OF WRAP THIS BUSINESS CLIMATE, INCLUDING TAX POLICY? >> Dan: I THINK TOO OFTEN THESE OKAY, EVERYBODY HATES THE GROSS RECEIPTS TAX, YOU'VE EITHER GOT THE LEGISLATURE HAS TO LOOK AT TO DO THAT. THAT BE PREFERABLE TO A 30 PERCENT TAX RATE WHERE YOU SO YOU WANT TO BUILD A CLIMATE >> Steve: WHAT STRATEGIES DO YOU WITH INCENTIVES, TAX INCENTIVES,

>> Dan: STATES ARE ALL PITTED GOING TO BECOME THAT WAY AT STATE HAS GOT THAT MINIMUM WAGE. CITIES WITHIN STATES. >> Steve: LONG-TERM, THE POOREST >> Dan: RIGHT. >> John: AND WHEN I WAS THE 20 YEARS AGO OR SO, WE LOOKED AT THINGS LIKE IN-PLANT TRAINING, WHICH I ALWAYS SOLD AND FOR THE FACT THAT OUR SCHOOLS BRINGING EMPLOYEES, ESPECIALLY WHEN I HEARD THE FIRST >> Steve: ONE OF THE RECIPIENTS THAT'S INTRIGUED ME FOR A LONG AVIATION WAS FEATURED IN THE

"WALL STREET JOURNAL" JUST THIS THEY'RE BUILDING THIS LOW-COST EMPLOYMENT, JOBS, THE FUTURE OF >> Dan: WHAT'S THE QUESTION? >> Steve: IT'S A FOR REAL >> Dan: UNDOUBTEDLY. GO INTO ANY BIG CITY THAT HAS A CLUB AND SEE HOW MANY $2, $3, HANGING AROUND. >> Margaret: WELL, LET ME, DAN, I THINK THAT THE MARKET FOR IT IS AIR TAXIS. 500 MILES AN HOUR TO GET US WHERE LARGE PLANES CAN'T GET US. IS GOING TO BE MOGULS WHO OWNS

YACHTS AND LITTLE JETS. BUT I THINK THIS IS FOR ANOTHER BUSINESS. >> Dan: PICTURE IT LIKE A BUS. >> Margaret: A SOUTHWEST >> Dan: YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AND PAY A TICKET TO GO FROM HERE CHARTER PURPOSES WHERE THEY TAKE MADDEN AND THEY WANT TO OWN THEIR OWN BUS AND HANG OUT IN >> Steve: I THINK THERE IS A >> John: I WISH ECLIPSE A LOT OF I THINK THE NAME OF THE COMPANY I THINK IT IS GREAT. OF TAXPAYER NEW MEXICO MONEY >> Steve: WHY DO YOU THINK IT >> John: BECAUSE IT'S A VERY BUSINESS OF MAKING VENTURE

PROFESSIONALS THAT KNOW HOW TO WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THAT >> Steve: THE FAA, ITSELF, IS PURPOSES. >> Dan: THEY HAVE BACK ORDERS >> Steve: THAT'S WHAT ECLIPSE THE SAME NUMBER, AND THE ORDERS >> Dan: AND NOW PEOPLE ARE WHAT YOU PAID FOR IT BECAUSE YOU GOT A LOWER PRICE THAN WHAT IT >> Steve: ECLIPSE HAS BEEN THEY WERE GOING TO PRODUCE A NOT BE PROFITABLE UNTIL THEY HAVE THE WHOLE MARKET? >> Gene: I THINK THESE GUYS HAVE THINK WHAT ABOUT THE LANDSCAPE

SOMETHING. THAT'S BEEN ATTRACTED TO THIS IS ALL SAID AND DONE, GETTING IF WE GET A BIG ENOUGH FOOTPRINT MANUFACTURING IS GOING TO TAKE >> Steve: ANOTHER QUESTION IS, PILOTS? >> Margaret: ONE OF THE STORIES COMMENTED ON THE FACT THAT YOU NEED A VERY SHORT LANDING STRIP WITH THESE. >> Steve: THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LAND AT JFK AND LA >> Dan: I DON'T THINK THEY >> Gene: I THINK DAN'S RIGHT,

ECLIPSE-TYPE AIRCRAFT. >> Steve: I'M LIKE JOHN, I WISH EVOLVES. SCHOOL KIDS WILL BE TAKING THE WRITING AND MATH, REQUIRED BY BEEN CRITICIZED IN NEW MEXICO BUT THERE ARE SOME SIGNS THE YOU SEEM DUBIOUS. >> Margaret: (SPEAKING SPANISH) QUESTIONS WITH RESPECT TO STANDARDIZED TESTING HAS BEEN HOW WE TEACH, HOW WE PREPARE THE DISPLACEMENT OF CURRICULUM AND THAT REALLY, THE KIND OF TEACHING THAT HAS TO BE ABOUT

PEOPLE ARE "TEACHING TO THE TAKE A BAR EXAM. AND I THINK THAT THERE IS A RIGHT? LIST OF WORDS, VERSUS TEACHING STUDENTS A SET OF SKILLS THAT A CERTAIN KIND OF EXAM. >> Steve: IN LAW SCHOOL, TEACHING TO THE TEST OCCURS TEST. >> Margaret: OH, I DON'T AGREE EXAMINERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY DURING THE EXAM PERIOD THAT

MECHANISMS. WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT OF LIKE THE BUBBLES, IS ONE PART OF IT. OF QUESTIONS THAT THEY'RE >> Steve: GENE, YOUR KIDS ARE >> Gene: YES, IT'S STRESS WEEK IT'S INTERESTING, AND I HEAR I HAPPEN TO LIKE THIS NEW "ACE" IT'S TEACHING KIDS HOW TO >> Steve: THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO THE NEW TESTS, THE NEW >> Gene: YES. >> Steve: BE MORE OPEN-ENDED, AS >> Gene: RIGHT, MORE OPEN-ENDED, BETWEEN LAST YEAR AND THIS. THINKING HABITS, WHICH

THE ROAD. >> Dan: PEOPLE JUST HATE BEING AND NO OFFENSE, BUT IT'S KIND OF THE MODERN ERA, TO ALL OF A TO BE TESTED ON THIS, THIS, AND THE KIDS COMING OUT OF MY SCHOOL IN 8TH OR 9TH GRADE? >> Steve: WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT >> Dan: OR MANY PLACES ELSE. ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT THE NEXT YEAR 20 YEARS AGO? NOT JUST MEMORIZE THINGS. >> John: I HAVE SAID MANY TIMES D.O.E.'S THAT I WOULD LIKE TO EDUCATION.

>> Steve: IT'S NOT JIMMY >> John: IT WAS JIMMY CARTER'S THE VICE-PRESIDENT'S WIFE, WHO IS A BIG EDUCATOR, VERY MUCH A POLICYMAKER, FELT THAT THE COUNTRY, OF EDUCATION HAD TO BE PUSHED SOME WAY, AND THE ONLY SPENDING IN PUBLIC EDUCATION. SCHOOLS ARE EXPECTED TO MEET. >> Steve: THE TESTS WERE SORT OF THEY WERE MULTIPLE CHOICE THE CLASSROOM ON THEM. >> Margaret: ABSOLUTELY, IT WAS AND THEN TO HAVE, CERTAINLY, A SPANISH-SPEAKING, TO HAVE THAT

QUITE WELL IN TWO LANGUAGES, BUT CAN'T TEST IN ENGLISH. >> Steve: PARENTS SEEM TO WANT RELATION TO OTHER SCHOOLS. >> Margaret: THEY DON'T DO THE TEST MINE, AND DON'T HAVE HIGH INCOMPETENCE MERELY BECAUSE >> Steve: DON'T SET THEM UP TO FAIL. >> Margaret: RIGHT. >> Steve: YOU'RE RIGHT. >> Gene: I THINK WE WILL BE I THINK A LOT OF ALBUQUERQUE TEST. EXPERIENCE OF TALKING TO >> Steve: IT THIS DOES SEEM TO

EVEN A LITTLE SHOCKED, BY THE $750 MILLION NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF HEALTH STUDY OF 161,000 WOMEN. STRENGTHEN BONE DENSITY. AND WHILE THEY'RE AT IT, FORGET AMERICANS WERE STILL SCRATCHING THERE IS THIS DRAMATIC STORY IN WRONG. >> Margaret: STEVE, I REALLY PROBLEM WITH HEADLINE WRITING BECAUSE THE HEADLINE REALLY HAS AND I THINK THAT IF PEOPLE HAD MUCH MORE NUANCED, WHICH REALLY THE FACT THAT LOWERING FAT DOES,

>> Steve: DOESN'T THIS JUST FLY IN THE FACE OF COMMON SENSE? >> Margaret: BUT WE HAVE TO STUDIES. YOU'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO DO IS >> Steve: AND THAT'S WHAT A LOW-FAT DIET AT ALL. >> Dan: HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT HIGHLIGHTER, AND TEN MINUTES. >> Gene: BUT THE DETAILS THAT THE FACT THAT ALL TEST SUBJECTS >> Margaret: OR THE HORMONE >> Gene: RIGHT, THEY WERE ALL

PAST MENOPAUSE. STEVE, WHEN YOU TAKE THAT WITH? IT'S A BIG DEAL. >> Steve: YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY >> Margaret: I THINK THE OTHER WITH MORE TIME, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO SUBSTANTIATE THAT YOU >> Steve: AND THEY FOUND OUT >> Margaret: THAT'S RIGHT. RATHER THAN A ZERO VERSUS A TWO >> Steve: AND IT TURNED OUT IN DENSITY, WHICH YOU MIGHT EXPECT. >> Gene: THAT'S RIGHT. SO IT AT THE BEGINNING THE STORY. >> Steve: WE WERE TALKING THE TIME IN VARIOUS HEALTH

STORY CAREFULLY -- I WAS FOR PROSTATE PROBLEMS IN MEN. DOCTORS IS FIVE TIMES THAT AMOUNT. >> Margaret: I THINK THAT THE SO WE ARE A REALLY TALKING ABOUT AND SO WHAT WE KNOW TODAY ABOUT TRANS FATS, FOR EXAMPLE, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHEN THEY BEGAN THE >> Steve: DAN, WHAT DO YOU SAY? OVEREXAGGERATING AND >> Dan: THAT'S WHAT WE SAY. WELL, YOU KNOW -- >> Steve: HOW DO PEOPLE DEAL >> Dan: WELL, I DON'T DEAL TOO

SPAN OF THE PUBLIC. WHICH IS KIND OF AUDIENCE ALL GOING TO T.V. NEWS FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE KNOW. ACTUALLY, A NEWSPAPER LEADS MORE WHEN YOU OPEN THE NEWSPAPER, YOU READ A NEWSPAPER, YOU'LL SEE HEADLINES IN 15 MINUTES. SECONDS, A MINUTE. >> Steve: HOW DO YOU DIGEST THIS >> John: I DO A HUGE AMOUNT OF THAT'S IT. GUY, IS BASED ON LONG

CAN WEIGH IT AGAINST, AND WEIGH WHETHER IT MEETS THE SANDY TEST, >> Steve: THAT'S TRUE. HEADLINES AND MOVE ON. BEFORE WE GO, WE HAVE TO TOUCH DRUNK DRIVERS IN NEW MEXICO. TO PUBLICLY POST THE NAMES AND PICTURES OF CONVICTED DRUNK IS THIS NEW SCARLET LETTER GOING >> Gene: I WROTE A COLUMN LAST ADVOCACY, AND THOSE WHO ARE JUST REGULAR FOLKS, LIKE US, I THERE'S TWO TYPES OF FOLKS; THE THE WHEEL NO MATTER HOW MUCH GONE INTO THE PROBLEM.

>> Steve: THEY ARE NOT GOING TO >> Gene: I DON'T THINK YOU CAN AND THE FOLKS THAT MAYBE HAVE THEY MADE A MISTAKE. EITHER. >> John: I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THIS. SEEMS TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ALCOHOL, OR IMPAIRMENT LEVEL FROM POINT ONE TO POINT .08. >> Steve: IGNITION LOCKS, AND >> John: AND OF COURSE THE THE LEGISLATOR WHO PROPOSED IT DESPERATION. WORKING AS ALL THE REST, WHICH >> Steve: WHAT TROUBLES ME ABOUT ALL?

>> Gene: THAT'S RIGHT. >> Steve: I'M SORRY TO SAY, TESTS, AND NOW WE'D LIKE TO HEAR THE AIR. STAY TUNED. ON "STATELINE" UP NEXT. I'M STEVE LAWRENCE.