The Line; 202; Max Coll and Dan Shingler

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THE DRUM FOR MORE PAY, AGAIN; ANOTHER ELECTED BODY IS IN HOT GET OUT YOUR CRYSTAL BALL. ♪ >> I'M GENE GRANT, YOUR HOST. CHESHIRE, POLITICAL CONSULTANT ROUND TABLE MAX COLL, RETIRED SHINGLER, EDITOR OF THE NEW RAIL RUNNER COMMUTER TRAIN HAS STATION. FIRST RIDE DOWN THE RAILS ON GET ON TRACK WITH THE COMMUTER

THIS STATE, OR IS THIS >> WELL, YOU KNOW, I WROTE AN AND I THINK THAT WHAT THE TRAIN IS GOING TO SUFFER IS PROBABLY A REAL BLAST OF CRITICISM IN ITS FIRST YEAR BECAUSE IT'S NOT CHANGING SOME REALLY INGRAINED INTO THIS THINKING THAT WE'RE IS IT GOING TO TOTALLY STATE? TO MOVE TO NEW MEXICO BECAUSE PROBABLY GOING TO HELP WITH EXCEPT IN INSTEAD OF NEW CITIES

TRAIN IS COMING THROUGH, AND I >> YEAH, THERE IS SOME THEY'RE BUYING PROPERTY, THEY'RE DEVELOPMENT BONDS, SORT OF LONG >> I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING MIGHT HAVE BEEN IF WE DIDN'T THAT'S EXACTLY THE PROBLEM WITH PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, LIKE THE THEY ALWAYS RUN AT A LOSS, ARE ALL OF THE PROBLEMS. HOURS, AND I COULDN'T GET A TRAIN DEPOT ON TIME AND TAKE GREAT RIDE.

PROJECT AND HAVE SAID THAT WE BAD NEWS. ASIDE FROM EVERYTHING ELSE >> BY THE SAME TOKEN, I-25 RUNS I MEAN, THERE'S TRAFFIC JAMS ON IT'S GOING TO PAY FOR ITSELF," ITSELF. >> I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY BECAUSE WHEN -- I REALLY STARTED ABOUT A YEAR AGO, WHEN WE FORWARD TO RIDING IT. -- FROM A RAILROAD FAMILY. GRANDFATHER WORKED ON THE

IN SEVERAL PLACES IN NEW MEXICO. RIGHT NEXT TO THE RAILROAD AND I THINK THAT IT'S TRUE FOR A LOT OF HISPANO FAMILIES IN NEW MEXICO, THAT THERE'S A REAL IDENTIFICATION WITH RAILROADS AS HAVING PROVIDED HIGH-WAGE JOBS, OF HAVING BEEN A SPUR TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND I THINK THAT THE WEST IS VERY CONNECTED TO RAILROAD TRAINS. BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCES, IT -- AND I THINK THAT WHITNEY IS MEASURE WHETHER THIS IS GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL BASED ON WHETHER IT MAY LOSE MONEY, BUT IT STILL OTHER, ANCILLARY KINDS OF OBJECTIVES FROM THIS KIND OF

INVESTMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE. >> MAX, THERE'S MARGARET'S BETWEEN BERNALILLO AND SANTA FE. ABOUT HOW TO PLUG THAT HOLE. LEGISLATURE, DO YOU SEE ANY ON THIS A LITTLE BIT FOR THE >> THEY MIGHT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WARMING, WE'VE GOT TO STOP ARE CAUSING IT, AND IF WE DON'T MOVE PEOPLE OTHER THAN AND ADD TO THAT THAT THE PETROLEUM THAT YOU RUN THE IN ABOUT 20 OR 30 YEARS TO THE

POINT THAT YOU CAN'T USE IT -- EVEN THE MIDDLE EASTERN SUPPLY, ONCE YOU COMPLETE A WELL, AN AFTER THAT UNTIL IT'S GONE, AND METHOD OF HEATING AND FUELING AND PROVIDING ELECTRICITY AND OTHER THINGS THAN FOSSIL FUELS, >> I THINK THAT MAY BE THE ISSUES AND, QUITE FRANKLY, HIGH GAS PRICES. >> RIGHT. >> ONE OTHER ISSUE, I THINK WE THERE'S NO REAL PLANS TO USE IT FROM SANTA FE ON UP TO TRINIDAD, COLORADO. THAT, I THINK, WAS A MISTAKE.

THAT PART OF IT WAS A MISTAKE. DONE, I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING >> I THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BETWEEN ALBUQUERQUE OR BELEN AND SANTA FE. THAT ARE IN, LET'S SAY, DADE TERRITORY, AND ONE LITTLE LINE KNOW, BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN COMMUTING. TERMS OF VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, THE THAT. CONTRACT WASN'T DONE IN A WAY OF NEW MEXICO. I MEAN, I LIKE THE IDEA.

I THINK EVEN I SAW SOMETHING VERY NEAT. >> IT SHOULD BE FUN. WE NEED TO MOVE ON FROM THIS THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT'S NOT PLAN TO PAY STATE LAWMAKERS. DURING THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SALARY OF JUST OVER $24,000 PER FULL-TIME, YEAR-ROUND JOB, OR THE ROUNDHOUSE FOR A LOT OF CANDIDATES? SITUATION, TO YOU? >> I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF TIME, YOU ABSOLUTELY OPEN UP THE

FINANCED CAMPAIGNS. LEGISLATORS, BECAUSE THEY SEE IT LARGER GROWTH OF GOVERNMENT, THEM, SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE THING ABOUT IT IS FOR LEARNED IN ALL THE TIME I'M THEIR TAILS OFF. GET CELL PHONE BILLS PAID AND WHO SAT UP THERE AT THE REPUBLICANS, THEY WORK UNTIL TWO COMPENSATED IN A REAL MANNER, DIEM. SCENARIO.

>> WE'RE GOING TO GO TO MAX ON DIFFERENCE IN YOUR CAREER, OR >> WHEN I STARTED, THE PER DIEM AMENDMENTS TO WHERE IT IS NOW. A MEDICAL PRACTICE OR YOU HAVE A SMALL BUSINESS THAT YOU'RE YOUR SALARY ASIDE, YOUR WHEREWITHAL TO LIVE ON ASIDE, TO GO UP THERE AND SERVE. YOU CAN DRAW FROM FOR LEGISLATORS. OF LENGTHENING THE TIME THAT THEY'RE IN SESSION BECAUSE YOU EXTREMELY SHORT TIME.

YOU CAN'T GET EDUCATED ENOUGH FACING YOU. WITH A SALARY. >> I WOULD HOPE THEY WOULDN'T. INTO IT PRETTY INCREDIBLE. ACTUALLY FUND STAFF MORE. EVERYTHING THEY'VE GOT TO VOTE THAT BE IN THE DISTRICTS AND UP PROBLEM FOR A WHILE. >> (INDISCERNIBLE) >> NO, I THINK THAT YOU'RE LOOKING -- YOU KNOW, IN THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS, IN THE THAT ARE THIS LARGE, AND YOU LIKE THAT. >> WHO CAN RUN UNDER THE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORK FOR

A LIVING. THAT YOU WANT YOUR LEGISLATURE. COUNTRY STARTED OUT, BUT THAT'S PEERS THERE. PAID. >> MARGARET IS, 24 GRAND >> THE ANNOUNCEMENTS THAT WE COUNCIL OF STATE LEGISLATURES THE VERY BOTTOM IN TERMS OF PAY. BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE FULL-TIME WORKERS, EITHER. SO I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE AROUND HAS BEEN ABOUT $15,000 A YEAR, IN ADDITION TO PER DIEM. THAT STILL PUTS NEW MEXICO CERTAINLY IN THE BOTTOM THIRD, BUT IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT TAKE TAKES TO DO THE WORK -- AND THERE'S AN ANALYSIS

THAT YOU'LL FIND ON THE WEB THAT LEGISLATURES, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S ABOUT WHERE NEW MEXICO BELONGS. MOVE TOWARDS SOME SORT OF PAY, GOING TO BE ANYTHING LIKE A JOB, I THINK IT'S MORE OF A CUT OUT THOSE THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY STEP UP TO BE >> IT IS A BURDEN TO SERVE FINANCIAL COMMITMENT FOR PEOPLE POINT, AND IT'S A START. >> LET'S GO ON TO SOMETHING STATE. RESTRICTIONS HERE IN THE

OF THE STATE IS DOING A LOT MORE IT'S IN A BATTLE NOW ON HOW TO WILLIAM TURNER. DO YOU THINK THIS IS PART OF >> WELL, ACTUALLY, THE DISTRICT IT WAS CALLED THE WATER COURT, OF OUT OF THE BOUNDS OF AND IT TOOK AN ENORMOUS FIGHT ELECTED BOARD. IT WAS POORLY DESIGNED, AS FAR THE PEOPLE IN THE VALLEY PAY AN ENORMOUS MILL LEVY TOWARDS THAT,

COMPARED TO THOSE THAT USE THE WATER, THE AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY, AND IT'S KIND OF THE SOUTH VALLEY IS CARRYING THE FREIGHT. AND THE ELECTION PROCESS IS REALLY BAD. YOU WALK IN, WELL, "HERE, I'VE NAME ON IT, AND I LIVE AT THIS IT REALLY IS. >> LET ME ASK DAN A QUESTION ON YOURSELF HAVING TO EXPLAIN MYSTERY. >> NO ONE KNOWS. INTELLIGENTLY ABOUT IT IN FULL. LEVELS.

KEPT UP ON AND VOTE ON THAT BEING ELECTED? REALLY ABOUT BILL TURNER OR HIS BACKGROUND. WHAT IS GOING TO BE MANY LONG AND THAT'S A RECIPE FOR CONTROVERSY AND PROBLEMS. >> YOU SAID THAT IT'S ABOUT CONTROVERSY PLAYS OUT IS IN THIS >> SURE. >> -- AS BETWEEN THE ALLEGED SUPPOSED TO HAVE ENGAGED IN. WORKING FOR A PRIVATE WATER BANK, RATHER THAN THE WATER -- ELECTED TO, YOU KNOW, TO

>> RIGHT. >> AND THAT CONFLICT IS UNDERSTAND PERFECTLY CLEARLY. YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THEY >> AND I THINK THE CONFLICT IS VALID, AND TO THE EXTENT THAT I REPRESENTING THESE INTERESTS YOU KNOW, IT REALLY HIT THE FAN ENGINEER OUGHT TO HAVE THE LAST BIT MORE OF AN ISSUE. >> WELL, WHERE SOME OF US >> RIGHT. >> -- YOU KNOW, IN THE NORTH >> LET ME ASK YOU ONE QUESTION THIS, ALL WE'RE LOOKING FOR OPEN AND THAT'S REALLY ALL HE'S

RISE UP? >> NO, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT HUMOROUS THAT EVERYBODY IS ANYBODY, AND YOU'RE GOING TO LACK OF, YOU KNOW, CONFLICT. SYSTEM. YOU CAN MAKE AN ARGUMENT ALMOST ANYTHING LIKE THAT. >> A LITTLE MORE DIRECT THAN >> YEAH, BUT AS WE WERE TALKING DISCUSSION SO THAT PEOPLE ARE SEE THAT IS WHEN THEY'RE AN THE DISCUSSION.

DISCUSSION IN PRIVATE. >> YOU'LL NEVER GET RID OF ALL GROSS RECEIPTS TAX, AND THEY YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T GET RID OF INVOLVED AND SO ENRICHING TO THE PERSON THAT'S CAUSING THE REMEDIED SOME WAY. I THINK HE OUGHT TO BE OUT OF >> WHEN IS THE ELECTION? >> I DON'T, NO. >> I THINK IF WE LOOK AT THE BEEN DONE IN THIS CASE TO MADE, COULD HE HAVE RECUSED AND IN THIS CASE, I REALLY -- I THAT WE COULD HAVE ISOLATED IT."

THAT, IN FACT, IT IS DISQUALIFYING. THAT'S THE WAY THAT I WOULD ANALYZE IT. THE ELECTORATE BECOMES MORE THAT PEOPLE JUST GO, "WELL, >> I THINK, BARRING RAIN, THREE DISTRICT WITHOUT TURNER, AND YOU'LL STILL BE SITTING AROUND >> IT MAY PLAY OUT ON DIFFERENT >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> WHISKEY'S TO DRINK AND WATER >> TWAIN, MAYBE? >> I THINK IT WAS TWAIN. >> FINALLY, TONIGHT, KIND OF A FUN LITTLE SEGMENT HERE, THE TIME CAPSULE TO BE BURIED AT

GENERATIONS CAN GLEAN INSIGHT ON WHAT WOULD YOU SUBMIT AND WHY? >> I THINK THAT I WOULD SUBMIT A LITTLE CHUNK OF DRY ICE, AND DRY ICE BECAUSE, IN FACT, IT'S CARBON DIOXIDE. RELATES TO SOME OF THE PRINCIPAL WARMING, FOSSIL FUELS, AND THE SO IT'S SORT OF CODE FOR A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK THAT >> NO (INDISCERNIBLE)? >> NO. >> WHITNEY, HOW ABOUT YOU? WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> I THINK I'D PUT THE MOVIE I MEAN, IT TOLD THE STORY,

I THOUGHT THAT ONE OF THE TRY AND REVAMP OURSELVES FOR THE RIGHT NOW. >> THAT'S PRETTY CLEVER. >> A TAPE OF "THE LINE"? >> DAN, HOW ABOUT YOU? >> YOU KNOW, I MISUNDERSTOOD. RETHINK OF IT. BILLS. WAS LIKE. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> THEY'LL PROBABLY SAY, "LOOK WHAT THEY WERE SPENDING. THEY >> MAX, I KNOW YOU LIVE IN >> I DO, AND BUT I THINK IT'S EMPTY WATER BOTTLE, AND I'D WRAP

BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE THE WE'RE GOING TO CONSUME IT MORE THAN WE CAN SUPPLY IT. ABOUT, AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE ABOUT. >> SOMEONE MAY DIG UP THAT >> THAT'S RIGHT. '80S THAT SEEMS TO HAVE COME >> '50S. >> OR EVEN '50S, EVEN, THAT'S >> CORNERSTONES IN BUILDINGS, >> YEAH. >> GENE, WHAT WOULD YOU PUT IN? >> OH, GOSH. AT THAT GUY WITH THE DREADLOCKS. YEAH, "WHO WAS THAT FREAK? I WHAT IS SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU >> WELL, I MEAN -- THE OTHER KNOW, A PIECE OF FENCING IN

ORDER TO SYMBOLIZE THE BORDER, AND REALLY, BECAUSE I THINK THAT BORDERS AND BOUNDARIES ARE YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE THINGS AND IT SEEMS AS THOUGH PEOPLE -- THAT -- AND THEY CARRY ALL OF THOSE THINGS, RIGHT? >> SURE. >> BUT THAT BORDER, THAT SOUTHERN BORDER, IS GOING TO >> IT'S HARD TO PICTURE >> YOU WOULDN'T PUT YOUR RAIL RUNNER? >> THAT'S RIGHT. TONIGHT. FORUM AT WWW.KNMETV.ORG/FORUM. JUST CLICK ON "THE LINE," TELL

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