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FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM, CALL IS ANSWERED FOR BIG CHANGES IN OUR STATE'S JUVENILE JUSTICE THE NEXT HALF HOUR. >> Steve: HI, I'M STEVE JOHN DENDAHL. PASTOR IS SITTING IN FOR HARDLY RETIRING -- DISTRICT AT THEIR PARTY'S CONVENTION STATE DEMOCRATS OVERWHELMINGLY THE COUNTRY HAVE PASSED THIS JANICE, IS THIS A REAL AGENDA?

OR A BACKFIRE? >> Janice: WELL, IT'S HARD TO BE BUT I THINK YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THE CENTRAL COMMITTEE REFLECTS THE GRASS ROOTS OF THE THE BOTTOM UP. >> Steve: SO IS THIS THE >> Janice: I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY TEND TO BE PEOPLE WHO ARE THOUGHTFUL, WHO REALLY CARE ABOUT ISSUES AND WANT TO BE ALWAYS LISTEN TO THEM. THAT'S WHERE THE RUB IS. >> Steve: IN FACT, POLITICIANS >> Janice: THERE IS A TENSION TO CONTROL WHAT THESE PEOPLE WHAT HAPPENS, WHAT THEIR ELECTED

OFFICE. >> Susan: BUT I THINK THE FOR AN INDICTMENT. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. THE INVESTIGATION. UNFORTUNATELY, AND I UNDERSTAND CONGRESS, THE REPUBLICANS IN AND OTHER REPUBLICANS, ARE NOT NEED TO BE SUBPOENAED TO DO THE >> Steve: REPUBLICANS ARE USING >> John: WELL, THE DEMOCRATS, THEY'VE BEEN SCREAMING ABOUT DID GET IMPEACHED. DO, WHICH IS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF

PEOPLE WHO ARE SMALLER THAN THEY ARE AND VULNERABLE. HAVE BEEN TRYING TO PULL BUSH AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IMPEACHMENT IT'S ALL JUST TO BRING HIM DOWN >> Gene: PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED. THE TENOR OF THE ROOM WHEN THIS >> Steve: THE STATE CONVENTIONS? >> Gene: THE STATE CONVENTIONS, I DON'T THINK IT WILL HAVE MUCH ELECTIONS. >> Steve: BUT IT WAS A BIG >> Gene: IT WAS A BIG SURPRISE, AND I THINK THE PEOPLE AT THE I DON'T REALLY THINK THERE'S INTO THAT. THAT'S REAL? >> Janice: WELL, THERE HAS BEEN

THE GOVERNOR. HAVE THEIR VOICE HEARD. >> Steve: THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE ROOTS DEMOCRATS I TALKED TO WHO WITH A POWERFUL CANDIDATE. >> John: AND THAT'S A POWERFUL >> Susan: THEY ARE NOT DOING THE INTO WAR. IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN BEEN BENEFITED TO THE TUNE OF THROUGH TAX BREAKS, OKAY, BUT THROUGH NO-BID CONTRACTS, THROUGH FRIENDS, THROUGH THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY, MAKING IN THIS COUNTRY, AND WHO NEED

HELP. >> Steve: I THINK WE ARE WAITING >> John: IT WOULD BE NICE IF UP ON BUSH. >> Janice: WE ARE MOVING BACK LEVELS HERE. ONE IS THE STATE LEVEL, AND ONE BUT AT THE STATE LEVEL. AND ABOUT THE NEED FOR STATE BOTTOM TO BE TALKING TO EACH EACH OTHER, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS HAPPENING. >> Steve: IF YOU WERE RUNNING >> Janice: PROBABLY NOT. >> Steve: AND WHY NOT? >> Janice: WELL, OF COURSE, IT >> Steve: HOW ABOUT STATE >> Janice: FOR STATE SENATE, NO, >> John: YOU DON'T HAVE THE

>> John: RIGHT, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT'S APPROPRIATE, BECAUSE >> Steve: BUT SHOULD THIS KEEP >> John: WELL, JANICE IS SMART, >> Gene: PATSY WAS RIGHT TO I MEAN, YOU CAN'T GET ANYWHERE WITH IT, HONESTLY, UNLESS IT'S A >> Steve: AND NOT ONLY PATSY ALONG YOUR POINT, BECAUSE THERE >> Susan: THAT'S RIGHT. >> Steve: -- ON ANY OF THESE VOTE DEMOCRATIC BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO IMPEACHMENT BUSH. NATIONALLY, YOU THINK, JOHN? >> John: NO. I MEAN, MY PRESIDENT HAS DONE THE RIGHT THERE, ANY MORE THAN A SNOWBALL

>> Steve: THE POLLS DO SHOW >> John: I'M CONCERNED MORE AND SO IS BUSH. >> Janice: IF THE CONGRESS SAYS IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IT IS. >> Steve: HIGH CRIMES AND >> Susan: YES, IT'S PRETTY BIG. SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST THE LAW AND IT IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE, THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE TO ME. AND THEY HAVE YET TO COME UP WITH A LEGITIMATE JUSTIFICATION COURT, WHICH IS NOT A RUBBER STAMP, BUT REAL CLOSE TO IT, IN >> John: I JUST READ A STATEMENT THE PATRIOT ACT -- NO, I'M SORRY, HELPED WRITE THE FISA

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO CONVICT >> Steve: WE ARE NOT GOING TO DISCUSSION -- >> John: BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO >> Steve: LET'S MOVE ON FROM IT DOESN'T GET MUCH HOTTER THAN CLEARLY THIS IS A BIG ISSUE IN OUR BORDER WITH MEXICO. CRIMINALS. >> John: THE ANSWER THAT I'M OR ILLEGALLY. STATES IS SOFTENING OUR IMPLICIT BECOME AMERICANS. THAT WE HAVE WAY TOO MUCH USE OF, OR ENCOURAGEMENT -- YOU KNOW USED TO MEAN SUCH NICE THINGS?

>> Steve: THE SENATE'S VERSION >> John: WHAT ABOUT I AM WAY MORE CONCERNED ABOUT TO BE ARABS, OR WHATEVER THEY IRISH AND SO FORTH CAME HERE, THEY BECAME AMERICANS DARN FAST. THAT'S GONE. >> Gene: YOU'RE USING IMMIGRANT TOWN OF BOSTON, AND I MEAN, ASSIMILATION IS A >> John: I'VE BEEN IN THE PROBLEM THERE. >> Gene: BUT HOW QUICKLY IT >> Janice: AND IT'S A

>> Gene: RIGHT. >> Susan: THE KIDS LEARN IT. >> Janice: MY GRANDPARENTS, ON GOOD AT ALL, AT SPEAKING >> Susan: BUT THE KIDS DO. >> John: ENGLISH IS ONLY PART OF >> Steve: ENGLISH IS THE >> John: THE UNITED STATES -- >> Steve: YOU REALLY CAN'T DO >> John: EXCEPT THE ACLU AND A >> Gene: I THINK PEOPLE CAN >> John: THIS WAS A REQUIREMENT THINK A GOOD MANY ARE NOT. >> Susan: THIS BILL, THE SENATE BECAUSE IT SAYS NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE TO BE PROFICIENT IN CIVICS AND YOU HAVE TO LEARN. SO YOU HAVE TO LEARN MORE THAN DIRECTION.

THE OTHER THING IS, IT STILL SENATE BILL, BY THE WAY, YOU ARE ANYBODY ELSE GET INTO THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY. YOU BOTH INELIGIBLE? YOU ADMIT YOU'RE HERE ILLEGALLY, YOU ADMIT YOU'RE DEPORTABLE, YOU WAIVE ANY RIGHT TO ANY JUDICIAL FROM BEING DEPORTED. >> Steve: THERE IS SUCH A >> Janice: I JUST DON'T THINK THE BOOKS THAT ARE NOT ENFORCED, THE BORDER THAT WE EXPERIENCE WITH THE PROBLEM OF THE

12 MILLION PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN THE U.S. WHO GOT HERE SOMEHOW AND SO YOU HAVE TO TRY TO BE DIVIDE THE PROBLEM, AND THINK ABOUT IT IN A CALMER WAY, AND WHERE WE WANT TO BE. >> John: WE ARE GOING TO SEND >> Steve: WHERE DO WE WANT TO BE IMMIGRANTS TO BECOME CITIZENS? >> Gene: THIS SHOULD BE A PATH CALLING FOR AMNESTY BLANKETLY. CITIZENSHIP. IS IT GOING TO TAKE ELEVEN YEARS THIS WEEK. DIFFERENT VERSIONS.

A CONTRACTOR TALKING TO UNCLE SAYING, "WELL, WE CAN BUILD THIS AND IT'S AN AMAZING CARTOON, IT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE POINT >> Susan: YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT >> Gene: YES, EXACTLY. THOSE 12 MILLION PEOPLE, HOW THIS WHOLE ARGUMENT, TOO, WHICH I'M NOT CONVINCED THEY ARE BEHOLDER. >> Janice: DOING NOTHING HAS AN PASSING LEGISLATION SOMEHOW WOULD FREE US FROM THE CURRENT CONSEQUENCES. >> Steve: THE GOVERNOR HAS SAID, BILL. IN THE COUNTRY LEGALLY.

>> John: OH, YES, THEY WERE. >> Susan: AND THEY WERE NOT >> Steve: NO, DEFINITELY NOT. BILL AT ALL, AND DOING NOTHING MAY BE THE ANSWER. >> Janice: THAT'S NOT AN ANSWER. SYSTEM HAS BEEN PRETTY MUCH LIKE FOR ALL OF OUR CONCERNS FOR ANY IMMESHED IN IT. FOR A NEW DIRECTOR, HAS ALSO MEAN IMPORTMANT REFORMS. SUSAN, FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE, >> Susan: WE'LL START WITH SPRINGER, THE DETENTION FACILITY FOR BOYS. >> John: WHICH IS CLOSED AS OF >> Susan: RIGHT. WELL, IT'S NOT

BUT THE PROBLEM WITH BEING IN WHO HAVE BEEN ADJUDICATED DELINQUENT, WHO HAVE COMMITTED DELINQUENT ACTS -- OTHERWISE KNOWN AS CRIMES -- HAVE, A LOT PROBLEMS THAT YOU COULD -- I MEAN, THEY'RE APPALLING. BUT MOSTLY SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND COUNSELOR POSITIONS UP AT SPRINGER HAVE GONE UNFILLED FOR YEARS. TREATMENT THAT WAS ORDERED BY >> Steve: CLEARLY. >> Susan: ALSO, THE SECURITY SOME OF THESE KIDS -- I DON'T COMMENTARY, YOU KNOW, THAT GET $12,000 AND THE LAWYERS GET, YOU THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL INJURY

COMMITMENT BY THE DEPARTMENT, BY THE CHILDREN, YOUTH AND FAMILIES DEPARTMENT, TO PROVIDE WHAT OVER A YEAR AND A HALF PUTTING DATA. INTERVIEWING THESE KIDS, IS AMAZING. AND FOR THE JOURNAL TO TAKE -- AT IT. COURT -- EXCUSE ME? >> Steve: WASTE OF STATE MONEY. >> Susan: RIGHT. AND I WILL AND FAMILIES AND ITS PREDECESSOR AGENCIES, THAT LASTED 25 YEARS UNTIL THEY WENT THROUGH SIX SECRETARIES, UNTIL THERE WAS A

SECRETARY, MARY DALE BOLSON, WHO WHATEVER YOU SAY ABOUT HER, IS DEAL. >> John: WELL, I AM VERY CLEARLY BOLSON. GUTTED AND WHICH WAS DOING A >> Gene: WHAT'S THE ANSWER? >> John: I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE I WITH THAT ALICE KING HAD, GOT BRUCE TO CREATE THE DEPARTMENT, AND IT HAS BEEN DYSFUNCTIONAL IN WHICH I SIMILARLY DISLIKE, COULDN'T HAPPEN TO A NICER BUNCH >> Janice: IT IS NOT THE WHOLE JUVENILE JUSTICE PART OF THE PROBLEM. ABOUT IT.

WHAT'S SO REMARKABLE IS THAT IN NEW MEXICO, WE HAVE MADE SO MUCH PROGRESS ON GETTING PARTIES WITHOUT RUNNING TO COURT. STATES LATELY ON SOME TOUGH THIS OVER," THEY LOOK AT YOU NEW MEXICO IN THE LAST 15 OR 20 IN A WAY THAT MAY HAVE A CHANCE >> Susan: AND THE PERSON AT CYFD DOWN TOGETHER WITH THE OTHER SIDE AND SEEING WHAT COULD BE JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM WAS MARY >> Gene: I THINK THE JOURNAL THIS WAS LAST SATURDAY. ABOUT THIS WHOLE SETTLEMENT THAT

$12,000 FOR THE FIVE KIDS A VERY BIG ICEBERG, THAT THIS STATE NEEDED TO SEE ALL OF THIS I THINK HAVING THE COURTS ACLU TO STEP IN IF YOU NEED TO. >> Susan: IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, CONTRACT. THESE KIDS, THEY CAN GO TO COURT. PLAINTIFFS IN OUR CASE, ALL RIGHT, THEY WAITED. TIME WE GOT RELIEF. AND THEN WE SPENT -- YOU KNOW, SPENT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DECREE TO DO.

>> Steve: THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE >> Janice: I DON'T SEE HOW YOU AND SUSAN ALREADY MADE THE POINT >> Steve: I SURE WOULDN'T WANT FEES AND COURTS THAT'S GONE ON AND EVENTUALLY YOU COME UP WITH >> Susan: THESE LAWYERS ARE ALL FAT CATS. >> Steve: I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE MONEY. >> Janice: BUT YOU HAVE TO LOOK ONE OF THEM IS, WHAT HAPPENS TO POINT TO ME FOR A LONG, LONG PUBLICLY. >> Steve: DEALING WITH THE >> Gene: ONE OF MY PROBLEMS IS >> Susan: WHEN YOU SIGN AN WRONGDOING, THEY WOULDN'T SIGN

>> Gene: I WOULD HAVE LIKED A >> Janice: I WONDER IF THE WOULD BE INTERESTED TO READ EXACTLY WHAT'S IN THAT >> Steve: I THINK IT IS. I HAVE TO GET YOUR COMMENTS ON A ACTUALLY CONSIDERING LETTING AND I THOUGHT FLYING COULDN'T >> Gene: THAT'S A TERRIBLE IDEA. WE ALL APPRECIATE NOT HAVING TO IT'S A CRAZY IDEA. >> Steve: I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS. >> Susan: THERE IS A SAFETY CONCURRENCE, THEY MONITORED THE RADIO FREQUENCY INTENSITY ON 37 COMMERCIAL FLIGHTS.

AND THERE WAS ENOUGH TO POSITIONING. >> Steve: THE GPS. >> Susan: RIGHT, WITH THE GPS, >> Steve: THIS WAS AN ISSUE. >> John: IF THE FEDS FIND OUT WE AS PASSENGERS WANT TO HEAR >> Steve: EXACTLY. >> John: AS I MENTIONED TO THEY HAVE TO BELLOW INTO THEM. WE CAN TURN THEM ON, TALKING TO ONE OF MY KIDS ABOUT ARRIVAL, BUT SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE IN PARKING LOTS, THEY BELLOW INTO >> Gene: AND TERMINALS, ALREADY, >> Janice: IT REMINDS ME OF TO SMOKE IN RESTAURANTS AND

BARS. THEY'RE TALKING ON THEIR CELL PHONES. >> Steve: PRESUMEDLY THEY GET A >> Susan: EVEN IF THEY DON'T GET BECAUSE THEY CAN STAY ON THE PHONE AND GET TO THE PLACE. >> Janice: BUT THE CELL PHONE >> Gene: BUT YOU'VE GOT THE >> Susan: THE RADIO FREQUENCY PHONES. BUT THERE IS ONE WHERE THERE WAS A 30-DEGREE -- AND YOU KNOW, 30-DEGREE DIFFERENCE IN THE GPS OUT AND CREW CAME OUT, AND SAID, TURNED IT ON AGAIN; BACK. >> Steve: I THINK IT'S JUST DROP US A LINE AT

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