New Mexico in Focus; 616; In Every Classroom: Getting to Real Education Reform

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HALF OF YOUR TAX DOLLARS GO DOES THAT MONEY BENEFIT AND WILL THE EDUCATION REFORM GETTING TO REAL EDUCATION >> Kate: GOOD EVENING. EDUCATION REFORM OFTEN COMES AND CATCH-PHRASES LIKE "WHOLE NEARLY EVERY POLITICIAN CLAIMS SCHOOL REFORM IS THE BATTLE BUT AFTER THE BUZZWORDS LAWMAKERS IN SANTA FE ARE SO TONIGHT WE ASK, ARE HERE TO GIVE US SOME ANSWERS TOM GARRITY, SUPERINTENDENT

FROM SANTA FE, DEMOCRATIC SHERMAN McCORKLE, PRESIDENT AND ELLEN BERNSTEIN, PRESIDENT THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US I'D LIKE TO START WITH A QUICK I WANT A "YES" OR "NO" ANSWER "YES" OR "NO", FOR THE KIDS AND ONE SENTENCE EXPLAINING LET'S START WITH YOU, ELLEN >> Ellen: I'M GOING TO GIVE IT I GIVE IT A "YES" IS THAN FEELING TEACHER BASHING, REFORM, AND THE REFORM IS >> Kate: SHERMAN McCORKLE? >> Sherman: WE WILL SEE REAL IT WILL TAKE THREE TO FIVE >> Kate: INTERESTING POINT.

>> Tom: YES, WE WILL HAVE REAL THAT IS THE FIRST STEP AND IT IS BECAUSE WE ARE TEACHING AND THE PROFESSION >> Kate: AND REPRESENTATIVE >> Rep. Ponce: ACTUALLY, I SAY "YES," BECAUSE OUT A COMPONENT THAT IS GOING PARTICIPATION COUNCILS, THE OTHER PART OF THE "NO" IS, >> Kate: REPRESENTATIVE PONCE, COULD YOU BRIEFLY GIVE US PIECES WITHIN THE REFORMS THAT >> Rep. Ponce: THE MAJOR PART AND THE INTENT THERE IS BE A REAL INTEGRAL PART THESE PARENTS WILL HAVE A REAL

THE OTHER PART IS THE MAIN THE THREE-PART TIERED GOING TO BE BASED MORE AND IT WILL BE A THREE-TIERED AND THAT WILL BE A MAJOR >> Kate: ONE OF THE BIG PIECES >> Ellen: I WANT TO ADD BECAUSE THE THREE-TIERED ATTACHED TO OUR RADICALLY WE KNOW THAT THE BIGGEST AND OUR ABILITY IN NEW MEXICO COMPETENT, QUALIFIED, SINGLE CHILD DEPENDS THIS IS A MUCH MORE

IT WILL ATTRACT PEOPLE. WHEN ALL AROUND US THEY ARE "WE HAVE DONE SOMETHING >> Kate: AND WE ARE NOT JUST WE ARE SAYING, "YOU WILL HAVE >> Sherman: THAT'S, I THINK, I THINK THERE IS ALWAYS SOMEHOW, IN LIFE, WE HAVE AND IN EDUCATION, WE HAVE AND SAID, NO, RESULTS ARE NOT AND UNTIL WE MOVE AWAY GET MORE TRAINING, YOU GET THAT'S WHY I'M IN FAVOR THE TEACHERS, IS THAT >> Tom: AND THE OTHER HALF

AND THAT, PERHAPS, IS GOING BECAUSE, BASICALLY, PARENTS BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT THROUGH A LOT OF VERY LOOKING AT THESE PARENT TO THE CONSTRUCTION COUNCILS YOU ARE REALLY GOING TO BE BUT, AGAIN, IT IS LURING TO SAY, "OKAY, YOU NEED TO BE >> Kate: HOW DO WE LURE THEM WE CAN'T MANDATE THAT THEY BE >> Tom: NO. BUT I THINK, FIRST AS A SCHOOL DISTRICT, THAT'S ONE PART OF IT. AND THEN YOU GET TO THE OTHER AND ESTABLISHING HAVE THE PARENTS NOT JUST BUT IN WORKING SIDE-BY-SIDE

AND HELPING TO DETERMINE WHAT >> Kate: THAT SOUNDS REALLY BUT WHAT WE ARE HEARING A LOT IN THE ROUNDHOUSE, IS THAT WHAT HE WANTS IS OF EDUCATION, AND HE WANTS DOES THAT HAVE ANY IMPACTS >> Rep. Ponce: I THINK OF COURSE, WITH THE CABINET INFLUENCE WHAT WILL GO BUT PART OF IT ALSO NEEDS INDIVIDUALS FROM THEIR LOCAL AS TO WHAT THAT SECRETARY THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GETTING, IS THAT THEY WANT A COMPONENT, THEY WANT TO HAVE A SAY

AS TO WHAT THAT SECRETARY >> Kate: SHERMAN McCORKLE, >> Sherman: LIKE MANY THE CURRENT SYSTEM CLEARLY IS WE HAVE 15 MEMBERS; SOME ARE THERE IS NO POINT >> Kate: AND ELECTED VERY FEW VOTERS ARE MAKING >> Sherman: SURE. SANTA FE JUST HAD ONE AND THAT'S WHAT ELECTED THERE IS NO ACCOUNTABILITY SO THE IDEA, ONCE AGAIN, IS DIFFERENT THAN THE REST WITHOUT KNOWING WHO IS

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS WE HAVE WORKED REALLY HARD I STILL WANT TO SEE A NUMBER >> Kate: WHICH MEANS TAKING THERE'S SOME CONCERN THAT IT >> Rep. Ponce: KATE, I HAVE I THINK WITH OUR LOCAL BOARDS, WITH THE SYSTEM THAT THE STATE I CAN ASSURE YOU AT THE LOCAL ACCOUNTABILITY, AND IT'S BEEN I THINK TEACHERS LOOKING AT WHAT THEY DO AND THAT STUDENTS ARE

ARE ACHIEVING, AND I THINK WITH THE SECRETARY CAN SET THE AGENDA THAT CAN BE BUT ALSO, IN THAT COMPONENT, >> Ellen: I WANT TO TAKE THAT IS THIS GOING TO MATTER WHAT REALLY MATTERS TO THAT THE RELATIONSHIP THEY HAVE I WANT TO TAKE THAT WORD TO GO BACK TO SOME OF THESE BECAUSE ALONG WITH THE TEACHER SINGLE SECOND OF EVERY SINGLE THE SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE AND PROVIDE THEM THE NECESSARY IN THE CLASSROOM TO HAVE

THE KIND OF PROFESSIONAL AND SO I THINK PART OF WHAT >> Tom: AND THAT REALLY GOES YOU ASKED ME AS FAR AS DRIVING ALL CHILDREN WILL BENEFIT WHEN THROUGH OUR STUDENT-BASED APS SPENDS THE MOST AMOUNT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT ALL GETS BUT WE HAVE CERTAIN SUPPORT AND THROUGH THIS NEW ABLE TO DRIVE MORE RESOURCES >> Kate: IS THERE TOO MUCH >> Tom: NO. I WOULD VENTURE BUT FROM THE STANDPOINT RESOURCES AND SUPPORT >> Kate: LET'S HELP WE ARE NOT TALKING

WHAT OTHER COMPONENTS MAKE UP >> Tom: WE ARE TALKING TEACHER SUPPORT AND LEARNING >> Sherman: ONE OF THE GREAT "ADMINISTRATION" SO IN 89 SCHOOL DISTRICTS, >> Tom: ABSOLUTELY. >> Sherman: AND UNTIL WE, >> Tom: NEW MEXICO HAS FOR DEFINING WHAT IS WE NEED TO GET THAT DEFINITION THAT WOULD BE A GOOD STEP. >> Rep. Ponce: KATE, OFFICE TO WORK THROUGH THOSE WHAT THE DEFINITION OF TEACHER WHAT IS DIRECT TO AND THAT NEEDS TO BE ONE

DONE, SO THAT EVERYONE IS THERE'S TOO MUCH FLEXIBILITY AND THAT'S MY FIRST CHALLENGE, LET'S GET THE EXACT >> Ellen: AND REALLY, THEY DEFINE ADMINISTRATION IS OFFICE, BUT ALL THOSE LAYERS AND THE CENTRAL OFFICE, ALL >> Kate: SOMEONE WHO IS >> Tom: YES, BECAUSE A TEACHER AND THAT'S THE ONE AREA EVERYTHING ELSE, INCLUDING >> Sherman: LET ME MAKE ONE WE HAVE WAY, WAY TOO MUCH ONE OF THE THINGS CREATE A TIME FRAME AND WRITE TWO YEARS LATER, ADOPT IT,

OUR SCHOOL CODE IS CONVOLUTED, AT ONE POINT, WE PUT IT >> Ellen: AND THEN IN TERMS A LOT OF WHAT HAPPENS OF PASSING POLICY, WHAT REALLY AND THAT'S WHY IT IS BECAUSE IT ALLOWS THE SCHOOL AND THE TEACHERS TO SIT DOWN AND HOW CAN WE BETTER SERVE >> Sherman: I WOULD TAKE >> Kate: I WANT TO JUMP WE WON'T SEE REFORM IN ONE AND WE ALSO KNOW REFORM LET'S GO AROUND THE TABLE NOW

AND CAN WE AFFORD TO SPEND IT ELLEN BERNSTEIN, I'LL START >> Ellen: WE ONLY HAVE THAT WOULD CREATE MORE SO WE NEED TO LOOK THERE WAS A BILL TALKED THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THEY NEED TO SAY, YES, WE WANT >> Sherman: YES, WE HAVE NOT NEED TO GET INTO >> Kate: WHICH VOTERS WILL >> Ellen: BUT IT IS ACTUALLY >> Sherman: WE DON'T NEED >> Ellen: YOU DON'T THINK >> Sherman: OF COURSE THEY DO. DON'T FORGET, UNDER THE IDEA THAT WE ARE NOT, AMOUNTS OF MONEY AND THERE IS ENOUGH MONEY

>> Kate: TOM GARRITY, >> Tom: ABSOLUTELY THE SCHOOLS THE THING THAT WORRIES ME IS IF WE HAVE A FLAT BUDGET, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT FROM NOW AS SCHOOL DISTRICTS WORTH OF FUNDING THAT GOES >> Kate: AND REPRESENTATIVE >> Rep. Ponce: WE NEED TO LOOK I WAS A PUBLIC SCHOOL AND HOW WE CURRENTLY FUND IT WE NEED TO STOP SAYING "YES" LET'S JUST PUT IT IF THE VOTERS WANT A BETTER EDUCATION, >> Kate: WE WILL GET THAT THANK YOU, ALL FOUR OF YOU, >> Rep. Ponce: THANK >> Ellen: THANK YOU. >> Sherman: THANK YOU, KATE.

>> Tom: THANK YOU. >> Kate: WHO BETTER TO SAY HOW HERE TO GIVE PERSPECTIVES JAMES CHAVEZ, A TEACHER AT RIO AND KATHY JONES, A TEACHER I'M HONORED BY YOUR PRESENCE. LET'S START BY TALKING A BIT NEED MORE OF FROM SANTA FE, >> James: I KNOW AND ALSO A LITTLE BIT MORE DEVELOPMENT SO I CAN GO OUT THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS. >> Kathy: I WOULD AGREE. I HAVE TAUGHT FOR A LONG TIME, AND I OFTEN FORGET THAT I'M AS JAMES SAYS, WITH MONEY, >> Kate: DO YOU HAVE >> Kathy: CURRENTLY, LAST

ON CLASSROOM SUPPLIES >> Kate: CLASSROOM SUPPLIES >> Kathy: IN FIRST AND 2nd SO IMPORTANT FOR CHILDREN, WHEN WE ARE STUDYING NEW WE NEEDLEPOINT FLAGS YARN, NEEDLES, NEEDLE >> James: LAST YEAR I SPENT I BOUGHT TWO COMPUTERS FOR MY CLASSROOM, AND I WANTED THE KIDS TO HAVE IT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT EVERY YEAR, IT GETS MORE AND YOU WANT THE KIDS TO HAVE >> Kate: I'M INTERESTED, MORE OF, AND YOU SAID SUPPLIES AND NEITHER ONE OF

>> Kathy: THAT WOULD BE NICE, THIS IS MY 31st YEAR AND I HAVE A COMFORTABLE LIFE. BUT, OF COURSE, IT WOULD BE AND I THINK A LARGER PAY SCALE WHO ARE NEW, OR THOSE PEOPLE I THINK THAT THERE ARE NOT TOO >> James: I HAVE TO AGREE. MONEY IS NOT REALLY -- I HAVE SO THAT KIND OF SUPPLEMENTS BUT I'VE SEEN TOO MANY REALLY THEY JUST CAN'T LIVE THAT WAY. THEY CAN'T AFFORD A HOUSE, >> Kate: THERE IS A BILL AND IF YOU QUALIFY

WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO TO SUPPORT >> James: YOU OFTEN HEAR IF YOU'RE RESPECTED IN WHAT I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK >> Kate: AND SCHOOLS HAVE >> James: I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN >> Kathy: ABSOLUTELY. RESPECT, PROFESSIONAL DISCRETION CLASSROOM TEACHERS ARE AND SOMETIMES WHAT IS MANDATED AND I WOULD LIKE THE RESPECT, AND THE PROFESSIONAL THAT ARE THE BEST CHOICES THAT >> Kate: LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME

STATE GOVERNMENTS, SCHOOL WHAT IS THE GOVERNMENT GIVING >> James: WELL, TO ME, IT'S >> Kathy: ABSOLUTELY. >> James: WE ARE TALKING TWO TAKEN COMPLETELY OUT NOW, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST BUT THE HIGH STAKES TESTS BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT SOCIOECONOMIC STUDENTS, I THINK TESTING IS A GOOD AND KEEPING IT AS HIGH STAKES >> Kate: WE KNOW THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE TEACHING, BY GRADE THREE, EVERYTHING SHOULDN'T WE BE DOING THOSE >> Kathy: I THINK MAKING SURE AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE

BUT I THINK THAT IS ALSO THAT I CAN DETERMINE A CHILD'S WHERE THEY NEED TO GO BY READING WITH THAT CHILD, A ONE-TIME TEST IS NOT A GOOD >> James: A PERFECT EXAMPLE IS AS THE ONLY HIGH SCHOOL THAT WE GET THEM IN 9th GRADE, AND YET THEY ARE BEING TESTED NOT TO SAY THAT THEY HAVEN'T GRADES, BUT BASICALLY, ISN'T ISN'T THERE ANOTHER WAY? >> Kathy: I ABSOLUTELY AGREE. I THINK ONE THE PROBLEMS IN PARTICULAR IS WE ARE I HAVE 1st GRADERS THAT COME BEEN READ TO THEIR ENTIRE I ALSO HAVE CHILDREN WHO COME

THE ALPHABET, AND YET BUT THEY MAY EXIT 1st GRADE WE NEED TO LOOK AT PROGRESS, >> Kate: A BIG COMPLAINT TODAY IS THE KID WHO GETS WHAT ROLE DO TEACHERS PLAY >> Kathy: WHEN I RECOMMEND FOR AN ALTERNATE PLACEMENT, THERE IS A GREAT DEAL THAT LISTENING TO THAT CHILD I KEEP FAIRLY EXTENSIVE AND THEN MAKING SURE THAT I DON'T THINK MANY TEACHERS I THINK MOST TEACHERS HAVE

>> James: AND ALSO, YOU CAN YOU CANNOT WATER DOWN, WHETHER IT BE THAT THEY ARE MAYBE NOT MAKE THEM DO AN ORAL BUT GET IN THE INFORMATION, . >> Kathy: AND THAT'S WHAT >> Kate: WE HAVE ONE MINUTE BRIEFLY ABOUT SOME WILL THEY HELP OR HURT WHAT >> James: I THINK THE TIER IT WILL HELP RETAIN GOOD AS FAR AS A SECRETARY GETTING RID OF THE LOCAL MANY TIMES I'VE DEALT AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING A LOCAL VOICE AS FAR AS THAT >> Kathy: AND I WOULD HOPE, THAT WE CAN FUND WHAT TEACHERS

>> Kate: ON THAT END, EARLY >> Kathy: I THINK CHILDREN CAN MOST KIDS ARE IN SCHOOL MOST >> Kate: HOW MUCH MORE TO SEE THE STATE MAKE TO EARLY >> Kathy: I THINK AND THE RESOURCES ARE THERE, SO IT BECOMES PREVENTIVE WHEN >> Kate: HOW GOOD ARE >> Kathy: I THINK THE SCHOOLS I'M PROUD OF MY CAREER, >> James: SAME HERE. WE HAVE SOME OUTSTANDING AND IT IS GET BETTER EVERY >> Kate: THANK YOU BOTH NOW IS THE TIME FOR IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN NEXT TUNE IN AGAIN NEXT WEEK I'M KATE NELSON.

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