Surviving Columbus: The Story of the Pueblo People; Surviving Columbus

What was the life like before the first time? People like before contact was mainly spiritual. It was so because the life of the people depended so much on the natural forces of nature. They spent much time meditating, sacrificing, praying, and fasting. During the summer solstice, the rainmakers, following the summer solstice, the rainmakers went into the key bus to meditate and fast so that they would rain. Again, this was repeated during the winter solstice. They went into the key bus to ask for snow. During the summer, they would also pray that they would have enough sunshine so that the plants would grow. Following the winter solstice, five moons after, they would go buffalo hunting and antelope hunting to the east. Each group, they usually had two key bus.

The two key bus went with their groups led by the war captains and his five assistants. The other key bus would also do likewise. Many months later, they came back when it was almost time to heal the corn plants as well as to irrigate. During that time, they had ceremonial dances after the buffalo and antelope hunters returned back. But the winter solstice were followed by animal dances. These dances were held in order to make the animal life and maybe plant life more prolific for the following year so that when they went hunting again, these animals would be available and also plant life would prosper. These were the reasons that they had these ceremonies in honor usually of the corn maiden because corn was the primary source of life.

There has been many stories written of the value of corn to the polar people because it is probable that after the discovery of corn back in the 5200 BC, corn made it possible for people to migrate and very likely the purple people migrated as a result of the domestication of corn. And corn has been found in many areas of the southwest indicating that the purple people have been here a very long time. What was their sense of world? Well, as I said earlier, their world was mainly spiritual. However, there were other people in other parts of the country that came to trade.

So this kind of made, they were a little larger, the churchy beaches that they called in Indian that would be the word, but it translated as bird people because these were the people who brought maybe parrot feathers from the south and maybe seashells from the south. And they traded with these people and the area would be someplace in northern Mexico, I think it's called Casas Grande. And these people came up to trade and very likely the purple people went down there to trade whatever they had. What were some of the other things that were fairly distinctive to these people prior to contact expansion that went a daily leg away of life, the way they lived and how they sort of interconnected with each other? Well, I guess mainly the people at that time did some trading. Some people made baskets and others made potteries for different purposes.

So this kind of trade went down and very likely certain areas produced certain kinds of plants, like one area of a pueblo would produce more corn. Many times flour was traded for utensils from a pueblo that produced storage pottery or baskets and at the same time later on when other tribes came to the area, they began to carry on trades with these people. I've heard of being said before the arrival of an estimated money go or out of that. There was some sense that they were coming on some of these people existed. Can you tell me about that? It is very possible although many historians do not want to accept the fact that other people may have been here.

This is proven by the fact that there is a mystery stone south of Albuquerque about 60 miles and about another 60 miles west often called a mystery stone. There were people here who wrote on that stone and it has been deciphered to be very likely a phonician script as well as by zenkin script. So very likely there were other people here very early but as we read in history books that when the Romans became powerful they closed the gates of Hercules and after that no one could go beyond the Mediterranean area except very later later the Vikings came from the other side of the North Sea to this continent. Sometimes around 900 AD.

Joe, tell me who the goddess was. And what was this story? Begoat case very likely was a war captain or war chief from the Pueblo of Pecos. You must remember that. Tell me about a good day. What kind of man he was and you know, essentially what kind of position he held on. It is believed that the goddess was a war chief or at least a war captain and in a company of one of his leaders very likely a kaseki.

They heard about the story that took place out west in Zuni the year before. When there was another story about more people like the ones who arrived the year before was heard they made plans to go out to Zuni to look into the situations themselves. So this is how begoat this and his leader very likely a kaseki landed up in Zuni and while they were there begin to communicate with the Spaniards and the Spaniards idea for coming to this area was to find resources. So when they found begoat this wearing some kind of a bracelet very likely made out of gold or silver or something they became very interested in begoat days and begoat days was able to bring them out to his country to show them the place first but at the same time the idea of the Spaniards was that maybe there was something that they were looking for further east from Zuni. And this is how the story started that led the Spaniards to pickles at that time because pickles at that time was a very large pueblo and became the leading source of mentor for the Spaniards as they begin to explore and conquer the pueblo southwest.

What do you think was the purpose of the real mind when some of the thinking that begoat days had is mind. What was he trying to accomplish here? He understood the discussion, had a certain power and ability to really wreak and have a demonstration and so forth. Tell me a little bit about what you think he might have been trying to accomplish and dealing with the Spaniards. Very likely they were very surprised that the people, the Spaniards were writing animals that they had never seen before and very likely saw that as a source of transportation because the Indian people at that time did not have anything. That compared to the horse and that would be one of the things that encouraged the two men from pickles to invite the Spaniards to their home area so that maybe eventually they could have the use of these animals to use when they went hunting parties or whatever.

What happened to the pueblo days when he brought them, I showed them around. When you were talking earlier about how he eventually took, I guess one of the little tents out to pickles and then later on he was chained and brought back. Can you tell me a little bit of a dust story, what happened when he came from Zooming and who he was with and how he did back over by the Coronado area? Very likely the, because this could not prove that the material or the bridge that he was wearing was made out of the material that was readily available.

Consequently the Spaniards got mad at him and put him in chains hoping that in this manner they could be led to the place of the source. But in the meantime they had picked up another man from another Eastern tribes whom the Spaniards called El Terco Turk because he resembled these people from the old world. And between the two they led the expedition into the plains to search for some of the sources that the Spaniards were looking for. And they used the Turk who very likely was lying and trying to get rid of them one way or another. And at the same time without communicating really, we got these at the same idea by now to just get rid of the Spaniards. But because he was not able to find the resources that the Spaniards were looking for, he was in chains until he made sure that he produced the resource material.

What happened? I'm not sure if it was Coronado or some of those villages around this Coronado area? What happened there? What took place there between the and understanding the several villages were wiped out? What happened? This was the Spaniards had returned back from their Eastern journey towards the winter, beginning of winter as they arrived in what is now the Bernalier area. And there were at least two or three villages there, one of them being Mohol and the other one I can't recall immediately. Anyway, the people there had to supply the Spaniards with food as well as clothing and blankets. And where there was not enough supply, they began to arrest the people to furnish more consequently, it turned into a battle in which the superior arms of the Spaniards took advantage of the Indians who only had both in arrows and clubs.

And wiped out these two villages who were not able to provide what the Spaniards wanted. What the Spaniards returned from the Eastern journey, they went directly to the Bernalier area that we know of, at least three villages there. One being Mohol and the other one are in awe, where the Spaniards entered the villages hoping that they would get food and maybe clothing as well as blankets to ward off the cold weather. And the Indians were not able to furnish enough food and clothing so that the Spaniards demanded more of these things, and the battle began with the availability of the superior Spanish arms, they were able to wipe out at least two of these villages, Mohol and the Arinal community.

Then after these battles took place, what happened to Mohol, what did he do after that? What was happening? Well, there's two questions here. One, how did the Indians in the area react to the widening out of these two villages, and what did Mohol do then thereafter? The Indian surfer survived the massacre, fled into the hills east of their village, and hid in the mountains. And after a time, Coronado returned back to Mexico or New Spain because they were unable to find the things that they thought were present here as rumored by the

survivors of their nearby expedition. What was then, to me, what was interesting, after Coronado left, what took place here? After everything was clear, that is, the presence of the Spaniards, the people gradually begin to return from their hideout in the mountains. And no doubt, information went through the neighboring communities along the Rio Grande about the people who were very destructive.

And thereafter, anything that happened related to the arrival of the new people, they were highly suspicious as to their good will or whatever. I mean, we're talking about these battles of massacres, but specifically, how were the Indian people treated? Well, the Europeans came from a world in which battles have been fought in much destruction. These kind of things were yet unknown to the Indian people, so they found the visitors or intruders very cruel in the things that they did. And that went on for many years, although when they arrived in this area, the expeditions had two leaders.

One was the priest, and the other one was the military leader. The military was not supposed to act unless they agreed with the priest that war was the only solution. So, the bubbles did not suffer as much as the Navy's immersicle and Peru, but still, there was quite a bit of suffering, destruction by the intruders. Running. The people in this received their name from the Spaniards because they lived in communities, and they were called Indios de Los Pueblos, which means towns, as compared to other natives that the Spaniards encountered who did not necessarily live in communities, but were nomadic.

And these thematic tribes, the Spaniards called Barbarios, something like barbarians, because the Spaniards could never really find where they lived and had no real homeland that the Spaniards could identify. Consequently, the Pueblos got the name Pueblos de Los Pueblos. And the relationship of the Pueblos to land was that they saw God in nature. Consequently, they respected nature highly because when you look at a high mountain, a deep canyon like the Grand Canyon, or the trees and the mountaintops, the cliffs, the valleys, all these things were in awe to the Pueblos, and in each of these, they saw God, so naturally they had much respect.