The Line; 218; Carter Bundy and Rory Ogle

SRT Captions File Generated by MXFplus >> ANOTHER TRAGIC DWI CASE HAS

A SANTA FE MAGISTRATE TAKES THE RACE FOR NEW MEXICO'S 1ST ALL THAT TONIGHT ON THE LINE >> I'M GENE GRANT, YOUR HOST >> I'M GENE GRANT, YOUR HOST TO ALL NEW MEXICANS. LAW. WE'RE ALSO PLEASED TO WELCOME AND FORMER STATE REPRESENTATIVE ON AFTER A FAMILY OF FIVE IS KILLED IN A DRUNK DRIVING CRASH KILLED. PABST WAS APPARENTLY VISUALLY

AIRLINE HAD IN KEEPING HIM OFF THE ROADS. THIS IS A TOUGH ISSUE. ENFORCEMENT THAT'S ON OUR ROADS. IS THERE ANY RESPONSIBILITY HERE FOR THE AIRLINE, IN YOUR VIEW? >> YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE SIMPLE FACT IS, THERE IS NO WHETHER HE STOPPED OFF AT A HAD FIVE DWI'S, AND STATE LAW SAYS, WELL, IF YOU GET DWI YEAR THREE, THREE YEARS OF INTERLOXS. YOU GET INTERLOX THE FIRST TIME, TIME. >> RORY, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT ON >> WELL, I THINK I AGREE WITH

BECAUSE HE MAY BE GETTING A THREE OR FOUR ROWS AHEAD OF HIM. SO YOU CAN'T GUESS, AND THAT'S THEY WOULD BE LIABLE. BEING PLED GUILTY TO HIS 11TH GOING TO HAPPEN TO HIM? HE HAD NO BOOZE/NO BAR IN HIS OF HIS PROBATION. AIRLINES AND SAYING THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE HELPS THE PROBLEM >> WELL, I THINK THAT THERE'S A TREATED. MEANS THAT SOMEONE WHO WORKS OR OWNS A TAVERN CAN, IN FACT, BE

HELD LIABLE FOR ANY INJURIES IS SERVED ALCOHOL AFTER THEY ARE VISIBLY INTOXICATED. AND I THINK THAT THE STANDARD IS IF WHAT THE AIRLINES DID, IN THAT REASONABLE PEOPLE WOULD NOT THEY SHOULD BE HELD LIABLE. EDGES OF THE LAW BY, IN FACT, CREATING THAT LIABILITY. AND I THINK THAT IT BECOMES A WHAT WAS HAPPENING? TIME THAT HE WAS BEING SERVED THE ALCOHOL ON THE PLANE? AND THEN I THINK THAT THERE IS A SECOND QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS HIS BEHAVIOR >> I AGREE WITH MARGARET, THAT IF IT REALLY IS JUST SORT OF AN ALREADY FOR TAVERN OWNERS. WHAT I DON'T LIKE IS SOMETHING SOMEBODY, AND THEN WITHIN NINETY MINUTES THEY GOT IN A WRECK. SERVING THEM. IF THEY DRANK AT HOME. OF AUTOMATIC LIABILITY. >> I WANT TO ASK OUR LEGAL ALLEGEDLY, ASKED HIM IF HE HAD A RIDE? AND SINCE THEY DIDN'T FOLLOW-UP,

>> AGAIN, I THINK AS WITH ANY ASK. SO THAT THE QUESTION MIGHT BE BY ASKING THE QUESTION, AND WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. >> THE THING IS, THOUGH, WHAT IS CIVIL LIABILITY. TO DEAL WITH IS, THESE ARE PROBLEM ONCE, THEN WE CAN HAVE PROBLEM TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE TIMES, YOU'RE PUTTING MY FAMILY, >> WHAT ABOUT THE GOVERNOR'S

>> THIS IS A GOVERNOR WHO JUST HE'S HAD DWI ON HIS LEGISLATIVE STEPPED INTO OFFICE, BECAUSE WE THIS ISSUE. SOLUTION, THAT DOESN'T SAY, PUSH AROUND THE ISSUE. >> IS THIS NOT A REASONABLE >> NO. WE ALREADY HAD A TASK PERCENTAGE OF CASES BEING TO COURT. NO, PUTTING TOGETHER A TASK THE RUBBER NEEDS TO MEET THE TO GO TO JAIL >> IN FAIRNESS TO THE GOVERNOR, DWI'S, THE 12TH ONE MAY BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE FACT THAT

I THINK THERE ARE STIFFER THINK, A BIG BARRIER. HAS A LOT TO DO WITH EVIDENCE THAT A GOVERNOR CAN SOLVE ON HIS >> WELL, HE APPOINTS JUDGES, LAST CAMPAIGN, AND HE CAN TURN AROUND AND HELP GET RID OF >> WELL, I REGRET THAT THERE WE CAN FULMINATE AND GO ON ABOUT BUT THIS IS ALSO AN ILLNESS. FACILITIES FOR ALCOHOLICS. AND UNTIL WE DO THAT, UNTIL WE REALLY RECOGNIZE THAT THIS CAN ONLY BE DETERRED WHEN, IN FACT, IT IS TREATED MEDICALLY -- IT'S AN ADDICTION.

HAVE TO PUNISH, THAT WE HAVE TO I THINK THAT THAT MESSAGE HAS GONE OUT. AT THE BORDER WHEN, IN FACT, MAKE SENSE >> WHICH IS PART OF HIS TASK ALSO IN SANTA FE, PRESIDING ANAYA, JR. HAS INSTITUTED A HIS GOAL IS TO PROTECT THE DEFENSE ATTORNEYS, HOWEVER, CALL AND COUNTER TO STATE LAW. WITH THE NUMBERS FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE >> THAT'S CORRECT >> BUT PERHAPS HAS HE

>> I THINK WE NEED TO THAT IS THAT PEOPLE ARE ASSUMED MEANS IS THAT YOU CAN'T PUNISH THEM UNTIL THERE IS A FINDING, UNTIL THEY ARE AJUDGED AND CONVICTED, RIGHT. SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE A BLANKET RULE THAT EVERYONE HAS TO PAY $5,000, IS THAT PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE THE MONEY ARE KEPT IN JAIL >> WHAT'S THE DOWNSIDE WHEN >> THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU ARE TO IDENTIFY THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT GOING TO SHOW UP IN COURT. GOING TO SHOW UP, BUT THAT, IN VIOLENT AGAIN. JUDGE ANAYA TO BE DETERMINING

WITH THIS $5,000 CASH-ONLY BOND. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT, IN FACT, DOING. THAT IS, TO TRY AND MAKE A THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A TASK FORCE PERSON GOING TO SHOW UP, ARE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAKING SURE THEREFORE, JUDGE ANAYA IS REALLY >> HE SEES 2,000 CASES A YEAR, THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM. >> I THINK ONE PROBLEM IS THAT WEEK, WHO REALLY CAN'T AFFORD TO YEAH, YOU CAN LOSE YOUR FACTUAL FINDING, WHERE YOU WOULD MONEY THAT WOULD BRING THIS

COUPLE OF WEEKS. PROVEN GUILTY. SO I CERTAINLY WOULD TWEAK IT. SMART BONDSMAN GOING TO COME UP CASH FOR THE PERSON? ANYHOW. >> RORY, SOMETIMES THINGS >> THAT'S FOR SURE >> AND TO CERTAIN DEGREES, MORE YOU'VE HAD YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT ON WHAT THE >> I HAVE TO AGREE WITH FLIGHT RISK, AND THAT'S GOT TO BE REALLY THE DRIVING FACTOR, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S BEHIND THE HE OR SHE CAN SIT THERE AND MAKE WOULD THEN INCREASE THE BOND IF

THEY FELT THAT THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT. I NEVER VIOLATED THE -- WHAT IS IT? WHERE I HAD TO STAY AWAY FROM MY EX-WIFE AND THE KIDS, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. MY COUNSELING SESSIONS. ANY POSSIBILITY OF VIOLENCE THERE AFTERWARDS. IT WAS A ONE-NIGHT THING THAT FOR MY PART OF IT. TO SIT THERE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, BUT IF IT'S AN ARBITRARY, THIS VERY, VERY MORE DIFFICULT. THEY HAVE GOT TO GET GOING TO

WHETHER IT BE THE MAN OR THE THAT COULD EFFECT THE FAMILY, AS THAT'S BEING INCARCERATED AND BEING HELD IN JAIL BECAUSE THEY TO PROVIDE FOR THEM >> THERE IS ANOTHER ASPECT THAT TO DO WITH NEW MEXICO. NATIVE WOMEN ARE ALSO AT A MUCH GREATER RISK OF SERIOUS BEING KILLED, THAN WHITE WOMEN. VIOLENCE. TABLE, IS THE AMOUNT OF THAT IS, BOY ON GIRL VIOLENCE. AND THAT I THINK THAT WE HAVEN'T

GOTTEN THE NOTION ACROSS THAT AS WITH SEXUALITY, AS WITH DRUGS, THIS REALLY IS A DINNER TABLE UPON MOMS AND DADS, AND GUARDIANS, AND OLDER BROTHERS AND SISTERS, AND TIAS AND TIOS, AND ABUELLOS AND ABUELLAS, TO BRING THIS UP WITH THEIR KIDS, AND START LOOKING FOR WHAT THE AND THERE IS NOTHING THAT SIGNALS IT AS MUCH AS JEALOUSY. WHEN THE BOYS START -- AND I'M THERE'S SAME SEX, AND THERE'S FEMALE ON MALE, BUT WE'RE PRIMARILY TALKING ABOUT MALE ON >> YOU'RE GETTING AWAY FROM THE DISCUSSIONS AMONG THE FAMILY, UP IN COURT, AND I'D PERSONALLY SOMEBODY SHOT AND KILLED, WHICH

HAS HAPPENED BEFORE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS THEY WERE ACCUSED OF ABUSING. AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IF YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE >> BUT THAT'S NOT THE ROLE OF YOU'RE ACCUSED OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, WE LOCK YOU UP FOR TWO AND LOOK, IT'S NOT TOTALLY OUT OF LINE. UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. PROBLEM. POLICE FORCE TO PROVIDE LOCK PEOPLE UP WHO ARE -- >> BUT IT'S HIS JOB TO PROTECT >> THAT'S A FACT. FOR THE INCUMBENT, HEATHER

WILSON, VS. CHALLENGER PATRICIA HOWEVER, FOR MADRID TO WIN, RORY, YOU'VE BEEN AROUND THIS >> YES >> HERE IS A STRANGE QUESTION SHOULD THE DEMOCRATS CHALLENGE? >> YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS HOW FAR I THINK IF IT WERE CLOSE TO 500, YEAH, I THINK THEY SHOULD PRECINCTS, WITHIN ALL THE COUNTIES. PROBABLY. WE'VE BEEN SAYING, THE NUMBERS COMING IN OVER THE LAST COUPLE VOTE; 50/50. SO CONSEQUENTLY, IF YOU WERE TO YOU REALLY GOING TO PICK UP THE

>> AND I THINK A RECOUNT IS ELECTION IN FLORIDA, 366 VOTES, AND THE REALITY IS HERE, UNLIKE SECRETARY OF STATE, A DEMOCRATIC COUNTY CLERK, DEMOCRATS AND DEMOCRATS PUSHED THROUGH. >> I THINK MARIO'S EXAMPLE IS SITUATION, AT ALL. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT HAVE TO SPECULATE WHAT THOSE VOTES ARE. THERE SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS OF UNDERCOUNTS? THAT IS, WHERE THE BALLOT ISN'T SHOWING A VOTE FOR THE MAJOR EVIDENCE THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE

GOING TO LOOK AT, TO REALLY FOR IT >> MARIO AND I HAVE BEEN AT THE VOTES BY HAND. ARE ABSENTEE, PROVISIONAL, AND DONE ON ELECTION DAY, FOR PEOPLE WHERE WE'RE DOING THIS INTENSIVE SHAKY, BUT I THINK THEY HAVE I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE THE INFALLIBLE. THESE MACHINES ARE HAVING SOME ERRORS. IT'S SOMETHING THAT, AT THE VERY >> THE QUESTION THAT COMES UP THE REPUBLICANS WHO BOUGHT THE

>> THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A >> YOU CAN'T CONTROL THE ENTIRE WHEN IT DOESN'T COME OUT YOUR >> WE'RE JUST ASKING THAT THE IT SHOULDN'T BE UP TO THE WHETHER PEOPLE'S VOTES COUNT. I AGREE, AT SOME POINT, PROBABLY YEAR THERE IS GOING TO BE A LAW IS AN AUTOMATIC RECOUNT. THERE IS NO REASON THAT WE >> I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT UPON HAVE FAIR ELECTIONS, AND THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE EXACTING ABOUT I THINK THAT THERE IS SO MUCH CYNICISM ABOUT THE PROCESS OF SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, I THINK,

EXACTING, AND REALLY EXCRUCIATING IN TERMS OF THIS INDIVIDUAL, ONE BY ONE VOTES MATTER. >> RORY'S DAD, YOUR DAD HAS >> YES, HE HAS. >> WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN HEARING? >> WELL, I WANT TO GO BACK AND AND SAY, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE MACHINES. MACHINE TO DO THE HAND COUNTING, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT MORE THAT ONE. I SAID, HE'S BEEN DOWN AT THE WAREHOUSE, I THINK EVERY BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I WOULD

DONE IT, IS THERE ARE SO MANY CROSS-CHECKS, AND CHECKS AND WHEN WE HAD THE BUTTON MACHINES, SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT BEFORE THERE WILL BE A RECOUNT. >> YOU HAVE TO THINK, IN TEN >> WELL, AGAIN, YOU'VE BEEN THEY'RE GOING THROUGH EVERY THOSE OF YOU WHO FILLED OUT ARE THE BONDS ISSUES, AND WE CARE ABOUT ONE THING ON THE COUNT ON THE CONGRESSIONAL. CANVAS, BY LAW, OF ALL THE 98 PERCENT --

>> IT'S NOT OVER YET, AS THEY WE'RE GOING TO OUR PUT PANELISTS RAPID-FIRE FASHION. MEANINGFUL. SECURE WITH THE OPENING OF AT THE MUSEUM OF NATURAL TO HELP US GET A MEGABYTE -- WORD -- BUT WE HAVE A STAKE >> WE DID HAVE A ROLE IN IN THE WORLD, BUT IT'S SORT OF A IT LIKE, WHAT DID YOU DO WRONG? EXAMPLE, IS REALLY PUSHING FOR A MISTAKE AGAIN. >> I THINK WE'RE IN AN THAT'S PART OF OUR HISTORY.

AND I THINK IT'S TERRIFIC. BE MADE, FAME TO BE WON, BY >> THAT'S RIGHT. YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, THOUGH, THEY CAN TOUCH IT NONINCISIVELY WE DON'T NEED TO BRING IN NEW >> I LIKE THE IDEA OF GOING THE HAVE TO USE A LOT OF WATER. >> TIME'S UP. HOWEVER, YOU GOT THE IMPORTANT THE BIG AREA CODE DEBATE IS ALBUQUERQUE, SANTA FE, AND THE STATE WITH 575. >> IS THIS A "WHY" QUESTION? >> WAS IT FAIR? HOW ABOUT

QUESTION? >> I THINK THAT WE ARE A VERY WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. THAT THEIR INTERESTS ARE REALLY NOT EVER FAIRLY CONSIDERED. AND, THEREFORE, FOR WHATEVER JUST A LOT OF SIFTING AND BE MADE, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S ANY SURPRISE THE WAY IT CAME >> THAT'S TRUE. >> I THINK THE REST OF THE IT PROBABLY IS THE RIGHT IT WAS THE RIGHT DECISION. >> YEAH, I HEAR YOU. MARIO, THE NEW HOUSE SPEAKER IS SELECTION? >> I THINK IT'S GREAT. FARMINGTON.

>> RORY, YOU KNOW THEM >> YES, I WAS UP THERE WITH THE SPECIAL SESSION. STUFF LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THEY ON A MORE PROACTIVE ROLE. >> AND AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, WE HAVE NANCY PELOSI, AND WE DON'T HAVE JACK MURTHA. AND SO I THINK THAT THAT'S GOING >> WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN ONE >> I THINK REPRESENTATIVE FOLEY IT'S A LITTLE MORE DECISIVE IN AND MAYBE TO SOME DEGREE THAT'S AGGRESSIVE, AND I WOULDN'T WANT >> THAT'S ALL THE TIME WE HAVE, WE WILL TALK ABOUT MS. PELOSI TOPICS AND MORE CAN BE CONTINUED

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