New Mexico in Focus; 412; The Release of Wen Ho Lee

SRT Captions File Generated by MXFplus MAJOR FUNDING FOR "inFOCUS" IS CHARITABLE FOUNDATION, HEALTH, EDUCATION, ENVIRONMENT >> Chapa: WHAT STARTED

CASE SINCE THE ROSENBERGS OF U.S. NUCLEAR SECRETS ENDED SCOLDING PROSECUTORS THE AFTERMATH OF THE WEN HO >> Chapa: HELLO, AND WELCOME WHAT ARE WE TO MAKE CERTAINLY IT'S A STORY

DR. LEE'S CAREER ENDED MONTHS IN JAIL, AND IS NOW PLEADING GUILTY TO ONE THE GOVERNMENT FARED NO BETTER CRUMBLED, SECURITY A LAUGHING STOCK, FBI TO GIVING MISLEADING OF ENERGY AND JUSTICE HAVE EVEN THE NEWS MEDIA WAS LEFT ACCUSED OF RUSHING TO JUDGMENT WE ARE LEFT WONDERING WHAT IMPACT THIS CASE WILL HAVE THE NATIONAL LABS, HERE TO DISCUSS THESE ISSUES OF THE WEN HO LEE DEFENSE A REPORTER FROM THE TO NOTE OFF THE TOP THAT INVITATIONS TO DR. LEE'S TO COME ON THE SHOW, BUT AFTER THE INVITATION, BOTH PARTIES

BUT I WANT TO THANK MY GUESTS BILL, I WANT TO START YOU'VE BEEN PART YOU'VE BEEN WATCHING THIS CASE WERE YOU HAPPY, SATISFIED, >> Sullivan: AS USUAL FIRST OFF, I'M JUST DELIGHTED THAT HE'S NOW A FREE MAN I DO QUALIFY THAT. AS YOU MENTIONED IN THE PROMO, ALSO, I THINK THAT ONE IT WAS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THE APOLOGY WAS GIVEN, AND THAT APOLOGY, I THINK, WAS

IT WAS TOTALLY UNEXPECTED >> Chapa: DO YOU THINK >> Sullivan: I THINK HE SHOULD THE EMOTIONS INVOLVED IN THESE ISSUES ARE SO STRONG THAT REALLY SAID THAT WEN HO LEE IT'S NOT CLEAR HOW A JURY OF EVIDENCE AND EMOTIONAL THROUGHOUT THIS CASE, ALTHOUGH PERSONALLY I DO >> Chapa: BASICALLY, HE PLED

>> Sullivan: THAT'S CORRECT. HE PLED GUILTY TO WRITING BUT, OF COURSE, THERE WAS REMOVED THAT SAID HE HAD ANY >> Chapa: NOW, IAN, I WANT YOU WORKED ON IT FOR HOW LONG? >> Hoffman: I GUESS IT'S BEEN >> Chapa: AND YOU WORKED >> Hoffman: GENERALLY, LOS AND ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES >> Chapa: WHEN THE STORY CAME ME THE DATE, ACTUALLY -- IT THAT WAS IN MARCH? >> Hoffman: MARCH 6TH OF '99. >> Chapa: DID YOU FEEL AT THAT >> Hoffman: SURE. AND THERE WERE A NUMBER OF US

OUR HEADS AND WONDERING BUT IT BECAME FAIRLY QUICKLY PROBLEMS WITH THEIR COVERAGE, OPPORTUNITIES OVER TIME AND I THINK IN TIME, WE HAVE THEMSELVES ACKNOWLEDGE SOME AND REINVEST A NUMBER >> Chapa: THE REASON I MENTION BECAUSE YOU WERE FEATURED, ABOUT IN AN ARTICLE REVIEW," AS AT LEAST ONE COUNTRY WHO TOOK THE TIME AT LOS ALAMOS, AND ACTUALLY

WHAT WERE SOME OF THE, SCOOPS, BUT BITS ACROSS THAT MADE YOU REALIZE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THEIR >> Hoffman: WELL, THE "TIMES" DISPERSIONS ON SECURITY FROM PERSONNEL EXPERIENCE, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY EXTREMELY PATRIOTIC THESE ARE DEVICES IN WHICH THEIR ENTIRE CAREERS, I MEAN, THEY BELIEVE VERY AND THEY ARE NONE TOO CASUAL WHEN YOU TALK TO LEE'S

AND SO FORTH, BASED AND THEIR INTERACTIONS AS NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS, AND YOU HEAR A NUMBER OF TIMES THAT THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN, AND THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THE OTHER THING THAT WE FIND NOT UNDERGONE A CLASSIFICATION IT IS ACTUALLY KNOWN AN ACRONYM FOR "PROTECT DATA," RESTRICTED DATA BEING

CLASSIFICATION CATEGORY INFORMATION, AND SOME OTHER WITH THE MANUFACTURE SO, IT IS NOT UNTIL TO CHARGE HIM THAT ANYWAY, WHEN THE SCIENTISTS MATERIAL AS P.A.R.D. AS RESTRICTED DATA, IT IS RESTRICTIONS, AND SO IT IS NOT IT'S REALLY SOMETHING THAT IS >> Chapa: I WANT TO TALK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WOULD >> Hoffman: WELL, I WOULD,

I THINK FOR ONE THING, I'M NOT UNDERSTOOD SOME OF THAT WERE BUILT INTO I MEAN, WE HAD CERTAIN WERE BUILT UP BEFORE HE WAS NOTION THAT THESE WERE OF OUR NATION'S DEFENSE, WITH WHICH REASONABLE AND YOU CAN FIND ANY NUMBER SOME WILL SAY THAT SOME WILL SAY THAT IT IS AND SOME WOULD EVEN SAY IT IS GOVERNMENT, BECAUSE THEY HAVE

THAT HE DOWNLOADED, AT LEAST AND FOUND THEM WANTING WHEN IT >> Sullivan: ARCIE, CAN I MAKE I THINK THE REAL PROBLEM THAT WEN HO LEE WAS REALLY THEY DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS THEY DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS THE GOVERNMENT HAD ALL THESE THE GOVERNMENT HAD BEEN FOR MANY YEARS, AND THEY HAD LINED UP PEOPLE SUPPORT THEIR POSITION, THE DEFENSE HAD NONE OF THESE AS I SAID, THEIR SECURITY I THINK WHAT OCCURRED WAS CASE FALLING APART AS MUCH

PEOPLE DID COME FORWARD THE ARGUMENTS THAT IAN IS VERY CRITICAL, AND ONCE THAT BUT THIS IS AN INHERENT THERE ISN'T A WHOLE TEAM THEY HAPPEN VERY INFREQUENTLY. THESE PEOPLE AREN'T OUT THERE. SO, I DON'T SEE HOW IT COULD I HAVE THE HIGHEST RESPECT BY THE WAY, WHO DID BUT IT DID TAKE TIME, >> Chapa: HOW DOES THE FEDERAL >> Sullivan: WELL, IT IS KIND EVERYBODY IN THE GOVERNMENT THIS CASE IS JUST THE MOST ACCEPTS RESPONSIBILITY

BUT WHAT THE ARGUMENT WAS THAT IN THE INITIAL BAIL HEARING IMMENSELY DANGEROUS IN TERMS HE CONTAINED, AND THE TAPES WERE, THAT HE COULD GIVE THEM A CODE WORD OF THE COUNTRY, AND THESE WITH THESE IMMENSELY VALUABLE UNFORTUNATELY, THIS CASE WAS HARD TO DEFEND IT THAT ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE THE COURT WAS, I THINK, AND SO THERE WAS VERY LITTLE ABOUT WEN HO LEE'S >> Chapa: DO YOU AGREE? >> Hoffman: I DO AGREE

YOU KNOW, IT IS REALLY VERY A SCIENTIST WHO HAS BEEN DOING AND THEN HIS OWN GOVERNMENT WORDS ARE ALMOST THAT THERE ARE THESE TAPES CAN'T BE FOUND, HE HASN'T AND SO THE TESTIMONY USE PAROLLS, WHICH IS KIND FOR CODED LANGUAGE, TO BETRAY SO, JUST EVEN THE MOST FROM HIM COULD HAND THESE OF A FOREIGN POWER AND CHANGE

AND IT WAS WITH THAT KIND >> Chapa: WHICH IS >> Hoffman: WHICH IS AND OFTEN IS IN CASES THE STAKES ARE EXTREMELY HIGH, THE ARGUMENT, AND YOU'RE NOT SO, YES, JUDGES BOTH HERE IN DENVER BOUGHT THOSE AND ORDERED HIM KEPT DESIGNED TO KEEP HIM UTTERLY AND EVEN HIS CONVERSATIONS >> Sullivan: WERE HIGHLY >> Hoffman: WERE HIGHLY BY THE FBI, AND EVENTUALLY ONE AND THE FAMILY DOES -- I MEAN,

>> Chapa: SO, THE FBI WAS SO SUBTLE, HE DOESN'T EVEN >> Hoffman: NO, NOT THAT BUT JUST THAT HE MIGHT UTTER TO YOU AND I WOULD SOUND LIKE OF CONVERSATIONAL TIDBIT, GIVEN WERE, YOU KNOW, "THE WEN SAYS HELLO," OR ANY OTHER A CODE, A SIGNAL, TO GO AT SUCH AND SUCH A TIME, OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE, THAT WAS ALSO THE ALTERNATIVE SO, THERE WERE THESE RATHER

IN COURT IN THE TESTIMONY DOES COMING IN AND FORCES THE FBI MIGHT HAVE OVER HIM, AND WHISK HIM AWAY >> Chapa: DID JUDGE PARKER >> Hoffman: THERE WERE TIMES I WOULD NOT WANT TO PLAY POKER BUT HE CERTAINLY, DURING SOME NOT JUST WITH THE FBI, FROM PAUL ROBINSON, THE DECISION HE FACED

AND THE JUDGE SOUNDED RATHER >> Chapa: BILL, YOU'VE MET WHAT KIND OF FEELING DO IS HE VENGEFUL AT THIS POINT? >> Sullivan: I'VE TALKED WE HAVE HAD VERY SHORT COULDN'T GIVE YOU A WHOLE LOT BUT MY IMPRESSION OF DR. LEE HE IS NOT BITTER. I DO THINK -- HE DID MAKE IN SAN FRANCISCO MONTH -- HE MADE A STATEMENT WORKING HARD AND TRYING HE COULD, AND TENDING

AND TENDING TO HIS FAMILY, AND HE MADE A STATEMENT THAT ATTENTION TO POLITICS BUT WHEN I TALKED TO HIM, YOU KNOW, HE IS A VERY GENTLE MAN, AND A MAN OF RELATIVELY WHEN YOU GO THROUGH YOU KNOW, THE FBI INTERVIEWED AND WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN YOU EVENTUALLY SAY SOMETHING AND THEY SAY, "THAT'S VERY THAT, YOU DIDN'T SAY THAT

BUT HE DOES NOT SEEM BITTER. I DO THINK THAT HE DOES FEEL I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY HE DID NOT COMPLAIN, >> Chapa: WELL, THE FEDERAL >> Sullivan: WELL, I DON'T I THINK THERE IS A CIVIL SUIT AND ACTUALLY, TECHNICALLY, THE INTERVIEWS WITH WEN HO LEE BARGIN, I UNDERSTAND, ARE LIKE A TWELVE-MONTH PERIOD REOPENED IF EITHER STATEMENTS ELSE MAKES GIVE THE FBI FOR THAT REASON, THAT'S ONE WILL PROBABLY NOT MAKE A LOT

MAYBE EVER. >> Chapa: WHAT DO YOU MAKE I GUESS HE WON'T MAKE ANY DO YOU THINK IT WAS A CASE BILL, I'LL LET YOU GO FIRST. >> Sullivan: IN MY VIEW, WHEN IF YOU CAN CALL IT THAT, IN FACT, I SAW IT AS A FAIRLY AT A LABORATORY KIND IT WAS SORT OF A DAVID BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IN SOME I THINK THE DEFENSE MADE THEY PRESENTED, I THOUGHT, THAT THERE WAS RACIAL

THE JUDGE NEVER RULED ON THAT. THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THERE WILL NEVER BE A RULING, DEMANDED AS A PART BUT I THOUGHT THEY MADE WERE SOME PRETTY COMPELLING THE EMPLOYEES OF THE D.O.E. I ALSO THINK THAT IT DOES GO THAT SOME OF THE LABORATORY AMERICANS, HAVE BEEN SIGNALED >> Chapa: DO YOU THINK THIS >> Hoffman: I THINK RACE I'M NOT SURE IF IT IS THE MOST I MEAN, IN FAIR PART, HE PUTS

THROUGH WHAT IS DONE AND SO HE HAS TO, TO SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR PUTTING BUT I THINK MAYBE, YOU KNOW, RACIAL PROFILING IN THE SENSE AND RACIAL PROFILING ACTUALLY LOOKING AT WHAT FOR CHINESE ESPIONAGE IN THIS THEY HAVE EMPLOYED, YOU CAN FIND CHINESE WHO SAY THEY TEND TO,

AND YOU CAN FIND PLENTY OF THE WEAPONS LABS WHERE IT YOUR ETHNICITY IS, YOU'RE I THINK JUST AS COMPELLING, FOR REASONS, ARE SOME THAT PLAYED A ROLE >> Chapa: WE HAVE AND I WANTED TO ASK YOU VERY ANSWER IT, DO YOU THINK WILL CHANGE THE WAY THIS KIND WILL IT HAVE AN EFFECT >> Hoffman: WELL, CERTAINLY THE WAY ON THIS, HAS BEEN OF THE PINNACLE OF JOURNALISM

AND SO FOLKS IN MY BUSINESS >> Chapa: WELL, WE WILL HAVE BILL, I WANTED TO ASK YOU, >> Sullivan: THERE IS A BOOK VARIOUS BOOKS, AND THERE IS WILL PROBABLY BE THE NEXT >> Chapa: THANK YOU BOTH THAT'S "inFOCUS" FOR THIS I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS GUEST HOSTS, DAN VUKELICH, MY TWIN GIRLS ARE DOING FINE, JOIN US NEXT WEEK OF "inFOCUS." WE WILL PREVIEW YEAR'S 60-DAY LEGISLATIVE TO FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER HIS YEARS IN THE LEGISLATURE FOR EVERYONE AT "InFOCUS," I'M GOOD NIGHT.

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