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eight they're dreamt of a nazi world empire that would last thousand years well on the base of blood and rights what dream in their own terms through great showman martha don't have what is their grand design within which is within it a great frame that dated a move the bbc how do they go about achieving his design what price are they willing to pay for what are their chances of fulfilling this is a fifth of my series of talks on our age of overkill and other people's and leaders of mankind can save themselves from the idiocy of destruction i don't speak of course for any party or government for liberalism or conservatives i don't place again time is running short prose i speak as objectively as i can for the survival of humanity and for the continued greatness of an open
society in america and i want to talk today about communism as a friend as a man who may live in ten year plan for their economy and also made father reaching plans for their actions on a world scale revolutionaries who take our history as their framing the world is argo since the russian revolution we've learned that there's a restless dynamism an interview monica force by which half the world has prevented a law that may define what i mean by grand design i mean one that encompasses the world and spans history i mean one that goes beyond the lifetime of that particular movement ordination one that says today the world today the nation tomorrow the world and the everlasting future is ours i mean a political religion gives the individual
communist in our convictions of being part of something larger than themselves of being linked with his dad now there've been many in the past great individual conquers the film has had a grand design of his ill alexander the great was what when i traveled in india i found myself in areas to which they conquering tide of alexander's army that reached unlike other greeks alexander didn't regard asian peoples of barbarians and he achieved a fusion of native and we coaches wherever his army swept when he got his grand designs all like a dream the romans to have a grand design they built a world i'm julius caesar extended laws of frame of war he opened roman citizenship for many only conquered something was strom us they used to say i'm a roman cities that became a badge of pride of belonging to the roman collar know with the
challenge of new people's there was a failure of nerve on the part of the roll there've been two great efforts in modern times to use revolutionary nationalism as a frame for worldcom was one was napoleon oh came in the wake of a french revolution he built an army for the first time in history by putting the whole nation in our city governed by his sword and by legal coat and also by the legend he made himself but it didn't last because the idea power was not enough in the world of hunger for the color of an idea the other of the two was that he was more revolutionary than any of those i mentioned but it was the revolution of darkness a throwback revolution to the primeval and then we often forget our terribly close he came to success when he got the news of these great
victory and now the collapse of france you danced a little jig a triumph of side of his railroad car it was dancing on the grave of millions of human beings that was a dance of death what gave that answer grisly reality was that hitler like freud whom he hated for being a do it layer had discovered the realm of the irrational and the unconscious inside of men and so unlike freud he tried to use of world know if you do fail and then a new grand design took the center of the world today that a communist alana didn't have the resolution that he could set up a worldcom in a structure and twenty years he saw his successors for many generations as adding to the structure block by block and stalin he worked with a massive patients to the same man and grew show welcome sharma has indicated his own time scheme for us when he
says through his opponents in the democratic world but he says your grandchildren live under socialist that you say under communist dictatorship he says it presumably in a joking way but it's remote kind of joke perhaps a closer parallel then they won between well communism and the great job conquers in history as the parliament and religions in the past this is particularly true of the muslims and of their founder not under the spell of muslim holy war and the promise of an everlasting paradise for true believers and destroyed infidels political religion of the muslim swept over large stretches of asia and the middle east and africa iron and tried to create a religious empire you know towing be has put it very memorably when he speaks of a savior with the sword and the savior with the book bassist art world conquerors that i've spoken out from alexander to
napoleon with xavier's with the sword muslims who killed by the grand just as the crusaders killed by the bible were saviors of the book the bible and the qur'an have been supplanted now by the communist manifesto by mark says basque up a towel by lenin's imperialism you know there's nothing quite as ruthless as a man who not only kill you but believes he has the right and duty to kill you because he has a pipeline to god or what amounts to the same thing a pipeline to his his book his book tells him that he will inherit heaven or become a martyr and of something larger than himself and he destroys what has become a part of the dustbin of history and sweep it away and replaces it by something or let's understand that communism is more than russia modern china is more than a political party or a movement it's become a church or religion of political church in the political elite converting
infidels proselytizing killing infidels where it cannot convert them whenever it establishes as well as it did in russia has purge trials as it did in the late nineteen thirties and prosecutors heretics and bridges its ranks of everyone who doesn't adhere to the current dog in the car and heads of the church and their destiny is what the destiny had been of that created a revolution all the time to be destroyed by the revolution that they'll create i suspect of a historian of the future will see communism as a world moment to be sure a political and secular won but nonetheless the religion much of its forests comes from the fact of being a religion there are vast differences of course between communism and christianity as religion is it one thing they share each of them ascribed to me insecurity psychic needs of the people of its era
christianity was in its prime up revolutionary idea let's remember that it appealed to the poor and oppressed in the roman empire and offered them the prospect of equality and justice in the next world communism would be rides and persecuted christian churches is trying to make the same kind of appealed to the poor and oppressed it offers a different kind of problems that they'll find salvation in the next world but in this by becoming revolutionary but what kind of revolutionaries who they become well there've been two broad types of revolutions since the seventeenth century the first i would call revolution limited it was through limited revolution that the british transformed their absolute monarchy into a constitutional one they get it in promos revolution which was bloody and protracted to be sure but also they did it through the bloodless glorious revolution of sixteen ad a these were genuinely
revolution for freedom to be sure the meineke survive but that was a form of matter and england today is as free as any regime in the world and the american revolution our american revolution was also constitutional it was the french revolution which brought in the idea of unlimited revolution even before marks and when or rather if contain elements of both types i spoke in an earlier talk in this series about the french eighteenth century thinkers and you'll recall and i said that if you start with the idea of a man in society have infinite possibilities of perfection and the promises no limit and he did one other step and say that where everything is possible then no means are excluded and striving for your goal then you have they developed areas are now on france george russo strode to liberate mankind from the institutions that oppressed
he wrote men are born free yet everywhere they are in chains but in preparing the ideas which were to strike off their chains he didn't think about limiting the means less of a liberal french revolution carried within itself the seeds of the totalitarian revolutions in russia and germany and china the seeds of what live and plan and then hitler and mao tse tung were to do if this second type a revolution that bent on had in mind when he said that revolutions always devour isn't sure this doesnt take place in constitutional limited revolution chinese revolution devoured his children but not those of india or burma russian revolution did not those tunis are done or nigeria closer to home now the castro revolution in cuba as become revolution unlimited and has devoured his job and that's not true of the revolutions in mexico or venezuela in remarks was torn between two it is a
revolution leads to the idea of freedom and bear the idea of her in other words there were two marks says he absorbed and expressive a humanist tradition of western europe it also led to do something else and that's why they're going to mark says one is leigh marks of the british labour party in the scandinavian socialist party's the second is leigh marks of that russian and chinese about their innocence until nineteen seventeen it was not clear in which of these two directions late mainstream of marxism workflow management lennon was the turning point and he did it you know in the second liston most elusive way possible so suddenly that most historians of ideas ideas still haven't recognized how we get almost by a slight of hand he made a distinction between these two revolutions but i've been talking
about he called the first day bourgeois revolution he called a second the proletarian of money took a crucial step you made both of them part of the same revolutionary process and he insisted that no revolution could be considered completed until the first or the constitution along with walkways have been overthrown and replaced by the second other terrorists are a proletarian the second regime he defined as one in which the workers through their dictatorship refused to share power with any other class i could take all present communist vision of the new world order the what i call the grand design of communism and define in the same way as one in which communism refuses to share world power with any other socialist system they tell an interesting story about gertrude stein tower an american writer who spent most of her life in france she died in paris that or death that their
lifelong friend ms alice douglas was there and richard jared allison she said alice what's the answer now is looked at a sadly she said richard i'm afraid we don't know and then almost with her dying guess i was a paratrooper durant said well done alice what's the question in any society that's the big fact about the society which the question about lenin understood this lenin not lennon used to say that in every communist society there's a basic question i'm going to put it in my very imperfect russian script which is a dog a lot who owe all at a poor school hooper his role in kyoto who sends you
decide that i suppose that's the principle of revolution unlimited reduced to its was naked four there's another remarkable and it was just as interesting here he was once asked what socialists when his answer was socialism is a company he was saying in effect socialism or communism is whatever you need to industrialize the economy which you know it's only one side of it in the early days of the russian revolution they had of a checker basically police was there the ones to spare a victim on the grounds of gestation the thunder justice we don't want justice we want to settle accounts i think that those in skis setting of accounts was closer to the spirit of revolution and limited than lenin's idea of a coping the historian of the castro revolution to both understand its later phases best when he sees it in the same terms as a setting of accounts but let's
not stop with lenin stalin was the embodiment of the ruthlessness of a regime that doesn't regard any means as being excluded used to treat the heads of other communist states as if they were members of his own party apparatus ago who shot else is an interesting story and that stalin show them a letter he had written to detail at the time of the yugoslav break with russia in nineteen forty eight and how stella had boasted i will shake my little finger and there will be no more to go he will fall who shop told about this after stalin's death in that classic speech and is you know see stalin's crimes and stalin's culpa personality that telling about this episode oh gosh oh that'd you see to what ends stalin's mania for greatness lead to interesting phrases in that may endure for greatness as if groucho were saying that stalin had mistaken his own stature
for the shadow of his eyes but i asked isn't there the same menu for greatness i prefer to call it over reach over well but you find this mainly for greatness in the whole of communism when seen as a grand design as a revolution and limited has a political religion who shows historic condemnation of stalin's crimes of arbitrary power is ruthlessly against his own people that condemnation came very late in the history of stalinism and even that this combination that he made and the congress of a russian communist gave only a hint of the real scope and nature of those crimes in kenmore over from the mouth of a man was not had been bought and until that time you could never wholly wash away his complicity in the square russia has since then become a relatively conservative power and doesn't want to see
its prestige and influence destroyed by nuclear war it should that shouldn't blind us to the fact that could show hasn't abandoned the idea of unlimited revolution no the zeal of a political edge i don't mean the marxism hasn't changed and i don't mean that russia has failed to change marxism is not what it was at the time of marx or even a blender for example take a picture that famous press conference in paris after the collapse of the paris summit when cruz show than marsh amount of ski appeared together when crew shot rang the crowd of reporters that came into that room from every part of the world the two of them general n leaders sat there together the kind of tune that they've been using that to enact all the time in paris and it was hard to know which was substance and which was shot which was the front which was the real power what this shows is that communism has
become militarized since marx's day or take the existence of the whole array of seattle i'd states in eastern europe they can serve communist empire which would surely have shocked marks if he had been alive to see it or take the way in which the party itself has become the power in any communist society marx used to write there would be a withering away of the state that hasn't turned out to be true the party in every communist society has become the stay and any nation today which has a strong communist movement aiming to take over power should remember this should remember that party supremacy over the state and society will go with the victory of communism as a building principles should remember the truth will be party line votes that art will be party line on everything except science which is too important to be medical
too party government will be directed by the party to finally take boxes hope that when class antagonisms had been dissolved there would then be no ruling class no dominant class that hasn't worked out either the fact is that and no power elite has arisen in every communist society to replace feel and no one way is much more brutality and arrogance then they'll the best statement of this is in a book by nobody lives called the new class in which she last denounces the fat man in their big limousines with their chattering and gossiping wives and their cruel explosion of those below do us had been a communist but he became curly disillusioned and this was the picture of a new communist class ruling class that he saw this then is revolution and limit as it has developed internally and expresses itself in
communist world policy what a contrast it read this picture in the idealized one that the romantic revolutionaries still carry about in their tender minded imagination albert kennedy wrote a remarkable book called a rat a points out in it how strongly rooted in the feeling of rebellion is the only intellectual tradition of the west and he shows that much of the strength of communism lay in its enabling the young men to feel that they were allied with the powerful and inevitable forces of years they saw themselves as part of the wave of the future it gave them a less lonely and isolated cents from their self pity as victims they wear it like a juggernaut for all with history over the bodies of thousands and millions of their fellow human beings from being victims
they're ready to become executioners amuse odin sphere was a magnificent refusal of bills neither victim nor executioner b was the way he put it and he hadn't been an interesting passage in this book living men can be enslaved and reduce the the historic condition of an object if he dies and refusing to be enslaved it reaffirms the existence of another kind of human nature which refuses to be classified as an adult i want to talk now of the changes of gravity which have taken place in the homecoming as a grand design since lennon's life and the way in which communism has shifted from one to another group of revolutionary character carriers who are expected to carry
out the grand design since lennon car communism has been far more a strategy of our cars than it has been about and in this strategy of power was based on a working class it was to these men that he talked for him the kerry is a revolution where the advanced industrial work they were the ones or ah they were the ones who became part of the operators of the ruling it was these men to make the core of the communist very interesting thing of course is that and this was right then revolutions should have come first the western country in england in america and germany and france that shouldn't they didn't they came actually in less advanced country after lenin there was a a crucial shift in revolutionary strategy from the working class to the present and the chinese revolution one reason why
it came so long after the russian was that they made a lot of mistakes in china under russian direction mistakes by trying to push the revolution through as it a revolution of an industrial proletariat didn't work and lots of poe's genius lay in understanding that in a society of the losers and present the revolution would have to start with the president's in the villages these would be the people that would have to be on so you get a shift from the workers as revolutionary carriers to the presences revolutionary carriers the chinese peasants learned everything that had to be learned in order to make a revolution and build the state but now another shift has taken place in little more than a decade since that chinese communist now all over the world use the youth youth in the college's young professors writers and journalists professional people they're short they use the intellectual class i've seen this in india all through asia and africa
intellectuals have become the carriers of communist world revolution and in this role they form an axis with the younger army officers an interesting contradiction all over the world there are young people with feelings of fiery determination feeling that they're fighting for freedom and a passion for a fight these young people are there by rushing straight just rejects i mean of course and the intellectual speech and this has become the phenomenon of archive romantic revolutionary as rebel who voluntarily puts on intellectual straitjacket if this is the new communist strategy that i've seen working in asia the middle east the answer to the challenges to capture the imagination of the same groups of students writers a young journalist a young army officers and to make certain that they understand what is involved
and to fire them with the idea of a genuinely free society but they cannot be captured except in terms of the revolutionary tradition not in terms of the status quo the only way in which the communist challenge can be met is to offer to this young generation the chance to fulfill their expectations antidote intense contrary to come is to get them to see that under communism they are rebels who are willingly put into state acts but to get them to see that there's a great democratic and constitutional revolutionary condition which has not beat a totalitarian as it leaves eventually to freedom and democracy next week
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Communism As a Grand Design
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Lerner traces the principle changes that have taken place in communist doctrine and points out that the communists use history as a weapon in the same way that Machiavelli used "reason of state" as a weapon. He considers whether a drive toward domination is inherent in this armed doctrine. (Description adapted from documents in the NET Microfiche)
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In The Age of Overkill, Mr. Lerner concerns himself with five major forces in our contemporary world: nuclear weapons with overkill potentials; the nation-state explosion from which dozens of new nations are emerging; the passing of the old imperialism and its replacement by the two great power masses, the democratic and the communist world blocs; the increasing prevalence of "political warfare" - assault by means of ideas, economic aid, culture and the enticement of new nations; and the UN and its growth as a transitional force. From his consideration of these forces emerges the central theme: the classical system of world politics is being undercut; war as part of the power struggle is suicidal and therefore, no longer possible; the world is moving - and must move faster - beyond the power principle. The Age of Overkill is hardly light viewing and Mr. Lerner does not attempt to make it so. He is deeply aware of the seriousness of the subject and deeply concerned over its implications. But he is neither a pedant nor an alarmist. His own stimulating delivery is augmented by the judicious use of excellent film clips and slides. The Age of Overkill was produced for NET by WGBH-TV in Boston. This series consists of 13 half-hour episodes that were originally recorded on videotape. (Description adapted from documents in the NET Microfiche)
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"'The Age of Overkill' is a series of television commentaries by one of the most significant political historians of this century, Mr. Max Lerner. It illustrates the new forces that are determining man's fate, and considers the international rules that must be devised -- through knowledge and understanding -- for survival."--1961 Peabody Digest. Lerner traces the principle changes that have taken place in communist doctrine and points out that the communists use history as a weapon in the same way that Machiavelli used "reason of state" as a weapon. He considers whether a drive toward domination is inherent in this armed doctrine. (Description adapted from documents in the NET Microfiche) In The Age of Overkill, Mr. Lerner concerns himself with five major forces in our contemporary world: nuclear weapons with overkill potentials; the nation-state explosion from which dozens of new nations are emerging; the passing of the old imperialism and its replacement by the two great power masses, the democratic and the communist world blocs; the increasing prevalence of "political warfare" - assault by means of ideas, economic aid, culture and the enticement of new nations; and the UN and its growth as a transitional force. From his consideration of these forces emerges the central theme: the classical system of world politics is being undercut; war as part of the power struggle is suicidal and therefore, no longer possible; the world is moving - and must move faster - beyond the power principle. The Age of Overkill is hardly light viewing and Mr. Lerner does not attempt to make it so. He is deeply aware of the seriousness of the subject and deeply concerned over its implications. But he is neither a pedant nor an alarmist. His own stimulating delivery is augmented by the judicious use of excellent film clips and slides. The Age of Overkill was produced for NET by WGBH-TV in Boston. This series consists of 13 half-hour episodes that were originally recorded on videotape.
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