Illustrated Daily; Library Footage - Norm Ellenberger

Stan, did you get a question now, you're going to get a lot of back wall noise. Okay. Can we get a couple of those high school kids come in playing this court for background? Let's see if we grab a couple. Okay. Well, the main reason in my specific case was the case that I was involved in was such a high profile. Case with such great state interest. It was involving the state-owned and operated university in Mexico with its constituents throughout the entire state.

And I thought it would be good for the people to see the trial. I did it not for my exposure, good to snows, I've had enough exposure, I didn't need any exposure. I did it to just expose what the trial was all about. And I thought that I had a real basic feeling that it was up to me to do that and I wanted to do it. And after in retrospect as I look back at it, I would do exactly the same thing. I would still have the trial on television because I felt that I owed it to the state of New Mexico to get it out. And I think I would do it again the same way. Did you at any time during the proceedings, so I have second thoughts on the graph taking that decision? No, none whatsoever because it was my decision. It was handled quite professionally. Those that said that the camera was detracted from the court.

You didn't even know that they were there if you were involved after the first day, after seeing the first day. And there was no distraction. It was done in a very professional way. At no time, I guess maybe when I cried at the end when they convicted me, I wish the cameras weren't on me. But no, absolutely not. I had no feeling like that. How would you say that as you say something that it did have effects on the proceedings and that some people are too aware of it and maybe slandered their approach or their delivery because of the cameras? I don't think so. I'm sure that most of the lawyers don't want them. I'm also positive that most of the judges wouldn't want them. However, my particular judge has all the strength in the world and I know that it didn't bother him in any way. But I think that anyone that puts their show out in front of people has a little bit of a problem with it.

You can make mistakes and make mistakes behind a closed door and not have those problems. When you open it up to the public, immediately sometimes the color gets kind of tight. I think in some cases it's more of a personality thing than anything else. And then it's never been done before. You've got cobwebs all around the courthouses. You have cobwebs all around the state houses and things that are old and very fashionable. And this is something that Brand particularly knew around through the country and hasn't been done before and immediately have detractors. As far as the public is concerned and they're being educated in the form and so forth, what purpose do you think it served the public to televised them for safety? Well, it's a state university. It's a state problem. It's a public problem. It wasn't necessarily a private problem. I wouldn't go for murders and rapes on television in the very... We've got enough bad television. We've got a lot of bad television, so why put other bad programs on? Like the real juicy type things.

But when you get into a situation that mine was, I think my trial and trial similar to this, I think it would be... I think that it's important that the public is involved as much as they can because the public are involved. But it is their university, it is their program and it was such a high profile. And I think that that was important in cases like that should be here. Do you feel that maybe it was there any indication of the public being biased one way or the other? No, not by the televising. I think the public was biased by the trial. Well, I were here to discuss the trial, but the public was biased going into it one way or the other because of all of the advanced press. And just because of what Global Basketball and the importance of Praura Khan, it meant to... And that was meant to the state and that was one of the reasons why I wanted to have it on.

But as far as being biased by the trial, I think that's very hypothetical. I don't believe so. They have their opinions before they went into the thing. I don't believe so at all. Can the broader scope... Do you feel that the photographers and then the crews that were allowed in the world are professional and responsible in their... Do you have any... If you're going to have the public access by cameras in the courtroom, it must be done in a very controlled... It must be done with someone that has nothing to gain by it. In other words, one particular station or one particular element having a scoop over another one has got to be available to everyone. And it's got to be done in a very inobtrusive, unobstructed way because they can make a circus out of it. And the media would do that in an instant if they thought it would sell.

And I think that it's got to be controlled. And in my case, I have, like I said, if I were to go back to go through the same thing, I would do exactly the same way. Just because the professional way it was handled. Do you opinion why do you think so many defendants refuse to allow cameras in the courtroom for the trial? Well, they're probably advised by their lawyer, just probably advised by lawyer because he may not want to get up and put his show on the road, so to speak. He may not want to see... Have his butt kicked in front of 20,000 viewers. They're scared of it. That would be a personal thing. And then maybe the individual would be afraid themselves to have themselves viewed out publicly. And I think that it should be the choice of the defendant. Because it's tough enough to have to go to trial. And it's tough enough to put yourself out in a situation like that. And I think they defended whether or not he has the last say.

I think he should have a very strong say and whether or not he should have his show put on the road, so to speak. Well, that was my next question because of the U.S. Supreme Court's recent public authorities right to allow television games without the defendant. Well, I'm not really given it that much thought. I guess that had I had a negative attitude toward it and be on the other side of the fence, I might think differently. The big thing is, is the type of trial to me. The gory type of melodrama type thing. I don't think that belongs out there. But I think the type of trial, the one where there is a very vast, very broad public interest where the public is actually involved in their tax monies involved with the University of New Mexico. I'm not, you know, get it out there. Let them see it. I didn't have anything to hide. And I guess maybe that was something which helped me.

If I had to wear a black bag or myself and sneak around the corner because I had lots of things to hide, I might feel differently. I think that being a public person, I would like to see all trials of this nature be, have access to the cameras. I'm not going to, I was, but I can't. It's cost me over 100,000 already. You know, broke and I've got... Coast to coast. We'll get you on later, Bart. Your part will come after the commercial. After the dog food commercial. I don't have, I would do it. I would do it again the same way. Because, you know, I didn't have anything to hide. I was guilty before I went into the thing, you know.

And they had, we had to prove innocence. And it just never ever really worked out. I'd do it the exact the same way. But I'm not going to go back and fight all that. The way the thing has turned out, there are all of those people, I mean, the judge had brass balls. I mean, he was just, he had more guts. And it's turned out when he said the whole system has screwed up. The way the thing has turned out with this very unscrupulous thing of hiding 700 violations that the President of the University did. And we only found out about it after a business trial and he was able to get it out. That's why he was acquitted. And see, they hid that, hid all that from me. And they had that both the state and the University had all that information long before. I was even indicted. But they wouldn't, they wouldn't go fry me. I don't want to be involved anymore in that crap. I mean, in eight more months, my whole record is wiped clean. It's not like I ever even went to trial to begin with.

So I don't have anything more to prove, you know. I don't think so. See, one that really deep down inside here, I have a real good inner feeling. And I don't have anything to hide. I mean, the things that I did to hide weren't, they weren't anything. You know, I get credit for inventing the system, you know. The University taught it to me, you know. I'll have to admit, I polished it a little bit. It made it work a little bit better. But I didn't invent the system. Shit, I think I thought of all those things myself. What a bunch of crap. But fortunately, I've been able to swallow the vindictiveness and not make a real hastling thing out of it. I let them go. I don't have any problems with that. Like, I'll tell a story with that I'd like to. I got a movie working. Columbia's been in, they want to do a two-hour TV special movie the week.

But. This is for next year? Yeah. They want the right free. And now I get paid, I get paid if they sell it. Just stay right here. Give me that racket right in here. Now when you get down and when you hit on the backhand, the ball, you want the ball to stay as low as you possibly can. So the secret, the secret of hitting is bending the knees, is bending the knees. And then when you come down and come through, don't bring the racket up because the ball will drop. Get it back in your pocket. Now roll that wrist over. Just after you hit, roll that wrist over. And that'll drive the ball right down into the baseline. Most people come down in and they hit it and they slap at it. And they slap at it here.

And then as they slap at it, then the racket comes up. Okay. Now remember, we're going to get down there. Real low. Bend that knee. And then follow that thing through. And follow it through there. And I'm going to do, I'm just going to bounce it right in there and then you go ahead and slap it. Okay. And I'll step back all the way. Okay. Go ahead and hit it right down there low. Right now, if you see, if when you hit that baby and you hit it and then roll that racket, roll that racket down. Okay. All right. Okay. Okay. Now here we go. Now go bounce it right in there. Good low. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. This time follow right straight on through whether to roll that racket out here, you roll it too soon. See. Okay. You ready? Okay. Now. There it is. Perfect. See. Perfect. Okay. Yeah. Just remember, after it's, it's, after you hit that ball, you hit that baby and go right down there. And I'll back down out of your way here. All right.

You ready to go? Okay. See that when you brought it up, brought it up a little bit more. Okay. All down, down, down into the low and then follow that racket, that's it. And then roll that thing over. Okay. Ready? Perfect. See? Perfect. Good. See you again. How are you? You roll over. Perfect. See? Perfect. Perfect. Good enough? Good enough. Good enough.

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