New Mexico in Focus; 944; Amy Goodman, Ludella Awad, and Science Fair in Socorro

>> FUNDING FOR NEW MEXICO INFOCUS PROVIDED BY THE MCCUNE CHARITABLE FOUNDATION AND THE NELITTA E. WALKER FUND FOR KNME-TV AND THE KNME-TV ENDOWMENT FUND AND VIEWERS YOU. THIS WEEK ON NEW MEXICO JOURNALIST AMY GOODMAN SHARES THOUGHTS ON THE 2016 >> 80% OF PEOPLE ARE NOT AND THAT GOES TO THE ISSUE, I THINK, OF VOTER OBSTACLES. >> AND WHY COMMUNITY MEMBERS CONCERNED ABOUT THE LEVEL OF TRAUMA THAT YOUNG PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING IN NEW MEXICO. >> NEW MEXICO INFOCUS STARTS NOW. THANKS FOR JOINING US FOR NEW MEXICO INFOCUS. TED CRUZ AND JOHN KASICH OUT OF THE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL RACE THIS WEEK. THAT MEANS DONALD TRUMP IS INTO THE CONVENTIONS AS THE PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE. NOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS NEWS? HAVE YOU CLOSELY FOLLOWED THE NATIONAL PRIMARY CAMPAIGNS?

WHAT ABOUT LOCAL CAMPAIGNS? GET IN TOUCH WITH US HERE AND TELL US WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT PRIMARIES. VISIT NEWMEXICOINFOCUS.ORG OR CONNECT ON FACEBOOK OR TWITTER AND WE ARE STARTING THIS SHOW WITH THE LINE OPINION PANEL. >> A GROUP OF STATE EMPLOYEES RECENTLY TESTIFIED IN FEDERAL COURT, AND I GO BACK TO THAT, FEDERAL COURT, THAT THEIR SUPERVISORS IN THE HUMAN SERVICES DEPARTMENT ASKED THEM TO FALSIFY FOOD STAMP EMPLOYEES ALLEGED THIS WAS TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD QUALIFY ASSISTANCE, WHICH MUST BE PROVIDED WITHIN SEVEN DAYS BY LAW FOR PEOPLE WITH CERTAIN LEVELS OF INCOME. NEW MEXICO IS NOT MEETING FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR PROCESSING APPLICATIONS MEXICO'S CENTER ON LAW AND POVERTY REQUESTING THAT PUT AN INDEPENDENT MONITOR IN PLACE TO OVERSEE SOME IN HSD, INCLUDING, OF COURSE, FOOD ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. AND OUR LINE PANELISTS ARE TO DISCUSS THIS ONGOING CASE. I AM JOINED THIS WEEK BY DAN FOLEY, FORMER NEW MEXICO HOUSE MINORITY WHIP, MERRITT ALLEN BACK. SHE'S FROM BOX ULTIMATE, LLC,

BELIEVE. >> OPTIMA, LLC. >> LAURA SANCHEZ-RIVET IS AN ATTORNEY WITH CUDDY, LLP, AND SOPHIE MARTIN, AND EDITOR OF DUKECITYFIX.COM. >> OFFICIALS ARE SAYING, HSD OFFICIALS SAYING SUPERVISORS DON'T DO WHAT IS BEING EMPLOYEES KIND OF GOT THIS IN THE PAPERWORK. SAY FEDERAL COURT AGAIN THESE FOLKS WERE TESTIFYING THE U.S. MAGISTRATE JUDGE OATH. UNDER OATH. AND I WOULD HAVE TO THINK FOLKS WOULD HAVE THEIR ACT OF TIGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND NOT HAVE A CLERICAL ARE RECORD. >> MY EXPECTATION WOULD BE THEIR ALLEGATIONS WOULD HAVE BEEN TESTED BY A LEGAL TEAM IS BRINGING THAT CASE, THAT THEY -- THAT THERE WASN'T A WHOLE LOT OF UNCERTAINTY THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT. IT IS A SERIOUS MATTER AND ONE OF THE THINGS YOU TOUCHED THE INTRO IS IMPORTANT. IT IS NOT THAT THESE EMPLOYEES ARE LOOKING -- IT IS NOT CASE. THIS IS A SITUATION IN WHICH

WHAT IS BEING ASKED FOR IS A MONITOR FOR HSD. AND WHEN WE THINK ABOUT NOT NECESSARILY THE MERITS OF THE CASE OR WHETHER WE BELIEVE ALLEGATIONS OR NOT, HSD IS NOT IN A GREAT PLACE IN TERMS OF PUBLIC PERCEPTION. THIS IS NOT THE ONLY REASON FOLKS HAVE CALLED FOR MONITORS FOR HSD. AND, YOU KNOW, IN NEW MEXICAN, SANTA FE NEW MEXICAN, DAY BEFORE, A PIECE ABOUT HOW EASTER SEALS AND HSD ARE IN A BIG BATTLE OVER MONEY THAT HSD WANTS FROM EASTER SEALS. IT BRINGS US BACK TO THAT BEHAVIORAL HEALTH ISSUE. THIS HAS BEEN A REALLY TOUGH COUPLE OF YEARS FOR THAT DEPARTMENT AND THIS JUST HELP. >> EASTER SEALS, GET THE FULL NAME OF THE ORGANIZATION. IT IS IMPORTANT TO GET OUT THERE. >> LAURA SANCHEZ-RIVET, INTERESTINGLY, AGAIN, WE HAVE SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE ALLEGATIONS, PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO KEEP TRACK OF ALLEGATIONS, NO PROBLEM THERE, BUT THE FEDS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE THIS OUT, TO GET TO SOPHIE'S POINT FEDERAL RECEIVERSHIP

HSD FOLKS SAY THAT IS A BAD TO GO, BECAUSE IT WOULD UPSET THE SYSTEM TOO MUCH, END UP COSTING THE TAXPAYER MORE SERVICES WOULD BE RENDERED EFFECTIVE. ARE YOU BUYING THAT? >> NO. >> MY HISTORY OF LOOKING AT FEDERAL RECEIVERSHIP IS THAT THINGS GET BETTER QUICKLY. >> I AM NOT SURPRISED THEY ARE PUSHING BACK AGAINST THAT, ARE COMING UP WITH ARGUMENTS. HAVING A FEDERAL RECEIVERSHIP MEANS YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHAT IS HAPPENING, SOMEBODY IS MONITORING EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING. FEDS ARE BASICALLY IN YOUR BUSINESS, MAKING SURE IS WORKING RIGHT AND USUALLY WHAT DOES HAPPEN IS THINGS IMPROVE. YOU GET SOME, YOU KNOW, BETTER PROCESSES THAT COME OUT THE SYSTEM TENDS TO IMPROVE. THIS IS A SITUATION THAT DEFINITELY BEGS FOR THAT KIND OVERSIGHT AT THIS POINT. SOME OF THE ALLEGATIONS ARE REALLY EGREGIOUS. THEY WERE BEING TOLD, WERE BEING TOLD BY SUPERVISORS TO ADD ASSETS TO APPLICATIONS. IF YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO BASICALLY ASKING FOR EXPEDITED REVIEW OF THEIR CASE FOR FOOD STAMPS. AND EXPEDITED MEANS SEVEN THESE WERE PEOPLE THAT WERE

CLEARLY AT THEIR WITS END IN TERMS OF FINANCES, DESPERATELY IN NEED OF FOOD STAMPS. WHAT THESE EMPLOYEES SOME OF THEM WERE BEING TOLD TO DO WAS ADD ASSETS TO THE APPLICATION WHICH WOULD TAKE THEM OUT EXPEDITED PROCESS AND TAKE A LONGER REVIEW AND OTHER THAN TO, YOU KNOW, CASES IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO CLEAR OUT A BACKLOG AND THEY WERE HAVING SOME THEY WERE TRYING TO PREPARE IN TERMS OF A METHOD TO TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE PROBLEMS WITHIN JUST BACKLOGS AND OTHER ISSUES, THAT IS A TERRIBLE WAY TO PROCEED AND I JUST FIND IT REALLY EGREGIOUS AND I CAN'T IMAGINE A SITUATION THAT WOULDN'T BE MORE APPROPRIATE RECEIVERSHIP KIND >> IT IS INTERESTING IF I CAN ADD, HEARING YOUR DESCRIPTION SOME OF THE ALLEGATIONS, GOING BACK EVEN FURTHER, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT HSD -- ONE THINGS IT WAS DOING WAS IT HAD SYSTEM IN WHICH IT DENIED CLAIMS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT DATE IT WAS PUT IN, AUTOMATICALLY DENIED, HAD TO BE SOME SORT

IN ORDER FOR YOU TO GET YOUR SEVEN DAY CLAIM. THESE ARE THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE IN THE SOCIETY. YOUR ASSETS HAVE TO BE DOWN TO ALMOST NOTHING. AS LAURA SAID YOU HAVE TO BE DESPERATE AND THESE ARE NOT PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE RESOURCES FORCE HSD TO DO ITS JOB. CENTER ON LAW AND POVERTY, IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, IMPORTANT WORK THAT THEY ARE DOING. BUT WHAT MAKES IT ESPECIALLY EGREGIOUS, IF THESE ARE CORRECT, THAT HSD, POPULATION IT IS SUPPOSED SERVING, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALMOST NO WAY FIGHTING BACK. >> WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT ADDING ASSETS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT $400 IN SOME CASES, PUTS THESE FOLKS OVER THE EDGE FOOD IN SEVEN DAYS TO OVER 30 DAYS. THAT IS THE PART THAT HURTS HEART. IT REALLY, YOU KNOW, IT IS A SYSTEMS PROBLEM. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM HSD. I WONDER IF YOU HEARD HOW DO YOU FIX THIS? IT SEEMS TO ME RECEIVERSHIP IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO. THIS HAS BEEN GOING AMOUNT OF YEARS NOW AND SOME AMOUNT OF SUITS, AS A MATTER

FACT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT PUBLIC ASSISTANCE, IS A REAL PROBLEM IN NEW I HAVE HAD THE HONOR OF BEING ABLE TO WORK WITH ST. FELIX PANTRY IN RIO RANCHO AND THE STORE HOUSE IN ALBUQUERQUE. ST. FELIX PANTRY FEEDS 1000 FAMILIES A WEEK IN RIO RANCHO. YOU DON'T THINK OF THAT AS DEPRESSED. THE STORE HOUSE SERVED 2.8 MILLION MEALS LAST YEAR. THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AND THIS REMINDS ME OF THE SITUATION VA IS GOING THROUGH, A SIMILAR THING WHERE BUREAUCRATS, OR I DON'T MEAN TO PUT THAT LABEL BUT GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES WHO DIDN'T WANT TO CHANGE THEIR OPERATIONS TO MAKE THEM MORE STREAMLINED, INSTEAD FUDGED PAPERWORK TO COVER UP WHY THEY WEREN'T PROVIDING FEDERALLY MANDATED BENEFITS. HUGELY PROBLEMATIC AND WHETHER IT IS A VETERAN OR IT IS A HUNGRY FAMILY, IT IS INAPPROPRIATE. >> DANIEL, AGAIN, WE HAVE GOT

SITUATION WHERE SOMEONE, LAURA MENTIONED THIS, KIND OF IN PASSING, BUT THEY WERE GOING HAVE VISITORS COMING, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CHECKING UP IF THEY ARE, IN FACT, DOING THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO SEVEN DAY LIMIT. THIS IS WHY THEY ARE NOT DOING IT. SEEMS TO ME, IF YOU HAVE ALL THE WAY UP AND REBOOT THIS WHOLE SYSTEM. IS THAT THE RIGHT WAY TO GO YOU? ARE WE AT THAT POINT? >> THIS IS WRONG, THERE IS NOT DOUBT ABOUT IT. YOU ALSO, WHEN YOU READ THE ARTICLES, THE NUREMBURG IS NOT GOING TO BE APPLICABLE. EMPLOYEES SEEM TO BE SAYING, SOMEONE CAME IN AND TOLD ME I SHOULD DO THIS, SO I DID IT. IT IS WRONG. I DON'T DOUBT THAT AT SOME PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DIRECTING BUT THERE IS ALSO GOING TO BE STEP BACK TO LOOK AT ARE SOME THESE FOLKS COMPLAINING, WERE THEY KIND OF ON A LIST BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T PROCESSING STUFF FAST ENOUGH, AND THEY DID SOME THING TO POTENTIALLY CAUSED TO GET IN TROUBLE AND NOW THIS IS THE RESPONSE. WELL, WE WERE TOLD TO DO THIS. IT IS DOESN'T MATTER TO ME WHO TELLS YOU. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE GIFT OF DISCERNMENT. >> DOES IT COUNT THAT THESE

PEOPLE CAME FORWARD, TO YOU? DOES THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE AS OPPOSED TO BEING EXPOSED LIKE PRESS ARTICLE. >> IT DEPENDS. I HAVEN'T READ ENOUGH TO KNOW HOW THEY CAME FORWARD. WERE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE PROCESS OF BEING REPRIMANDED OTHER ACTIONS? WAS THERE ACTIONS TAKEN THEM FOR OTHER THINGS AND THEY SAID THIS IS A PROBLEM. WHO KNOWS WHAT CAUSED THIS TO HAPPEN. I AM GLAD THAT IT IS OUT IF THIS IS A POLICY, I DON'T CARE IF IT IS A POLICY SECRETARY DOWN, GOVERNOR DOWN, SECRETARY DOWN, REGIONAL OR JUST THE OFFICE MANAGE, IS NOT THE WAY THE SYSTEM YOU'RE CORRECT, THESE ARE THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE AND TELLING SOMEONE THAT WE HAVE ADDED, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE 400, IT COULD BE 50, NOW YOU ARE GOING TO WAIT AN ADDITIONAL 20 TO 30 DAYS TO GET FOOD BECAUSE SOMEONE DECIDED THAT, WELL, WE THINK YOU GOT MORE THAN $200 YOUR CHECKING ACCOUNT IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE. >> FEDERAL RECEIVERSHIP, IF I CAN INTERJECT, MY VIEW IS THIS ISN'T A STATE PROGRAM.

THIS IS A FEDERAL PROGRAM ADMINISTERED BY STATE IT IS FEDERAL MONEY. SO, I THINK FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS ABSOLUTELY WITHIN THEIR RIGHTS TO COME IN AND FIX OUR PROGRAMS. APPARENTLY, IT APPEARS FROM ALLEGATIONS WE ARE NOT TO DO IT. >> THERE IS NO DOUBT WE ARE COMPETENT. I AM JUST NOT SURE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS COMPETENT. I AM NOT SURE ANY FORM OF THE GOVERNMENT IS DOING THIS VERY COMPETENTLY. >> THEY ARE WITHIN MAY NOT BE A GREAT OUTCOME BUT IT IS APPROPRIATE. >> WE HAVE THIS ISSUE BENEFITS. IT'S BEEN GOING ON HOW COME WE CAN'T GET OUR ARMS AROUND THE IDEA OF JUST VULNERABLE PEOPLE SOME FOOD. >> IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, REASON THERE IS PEOPLE TESTIFYING IN A FEDERAL CASE, BECAUSE THIS IS ACTUALLY FROM 25 YEARS AGO. SO, THEY HAVE JUST REOPENED ISSUE AND 25 YEARS AGO, THE ISSUE WAS, WHICH IT CONTINUES BE, THEY WERE NOT THE PROGRAM APPROPRIATELY. THIS HAS BEEN REOPENED AND NOW FACING RECEIVERSHIP. SO, I MEAN, THERE IS DEEP

SYSTEMIC PROBLEMS HERE, INCENTIVES ARE NOT THERE SURE PEOPLE ARE DOING THINGS CORRECTLY. >> IS THAT PART OF THAT THE FUNDING? >> I WONDERED ABOUT THAT. WHEN I READ IT, IT SEEMED LIKE AS A STATE, WE HAVE SO MANY OF OUR STATE SO MANY OF OUR STATE THAT WHEN YOU HEAR ABOUT THE TREMENDOUS BACKLOG, IT IS NOT NECESSARILY THAT YOU THROW AT THAT SORT OF THING, IS PHENOMENAL BACKLOG AND MY SENSE IS THAT IF THEY HAD APPROPRIATE STAFFING LEVELS, APPROPRIATE TRAINING, HAVE TAKEN A BIT OF A BITE OUT OF THAT. >> WE TALKED AT THIS TABLE AND I'LL BE THE ONE THAT SAYS IT, AND WE'LL GET EMAILS ABOUT IT, IT IS THIS WHOLE PATRONAGE SYSTEM WE HAVE IN NEW MEXICO. WE ARE HIRING -- THESE WHEN GET TO THE STREET LEVEL, YOU KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT WANT THAT ARE DOING A GOOD JOB. THERE IS ALWAYS A LOT OF THESE PLACES WHERE COUSINS

AND, YOU KNOW, GIRL FRIENDS KIDS OF PEOPLE IN POWER, SAY, PUT THEM IN THIS DEPARTMENT, PUT THEM IN THAT DEPARTMENT IT KIND OF PERMEATES. I DON'T THINK PEOPLE REALIZE WHEN YOU TAKE THAT BAD APPLE STICK THEM IN THIS DEPARTMENT AND OTHER PEOPLE REALIZE THERE IS NO ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THAT PERSON AND CAN'T BE FOR ME. IT IS A PROBLEM WE HAVE IN NEW MEXICO WHEN IT COMES TO HIRING FOLKS IN STATE GOVERNMENT. WE DON'T SEEM TO BE ATTRACTING THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST JOBS. >> WHEN WE COME BACK WE'LL DISCUSS A NEW REPORT ON THE LEVELS OF TRAUMA BY YOUNG PEOPLE HERE IN NEW MEXICO. >> I THINK THAT THIS IS A SYSTEMIC PROBLEM IN GOVERNMENT WHERE THERE IS LOCAL, STATE OR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. INSTEAD OF SAYING HOW DO THIS PROGRAM OR START ANOTHER PROGRAM, HOW ABOUT TAKING LOOK AT PROGRAMS THAT EXIST GET RID OF THE ONES FAILING PUTTING THE MONEY TO THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE WORKING. >> JOURNALIST AND DEMOCRACY HOST AMY GOODMAN SPENT SEVERAL

DAYS IN NEW MEXICO AS PART NATIONAL TOUR. MS. GOODMAN HAS A NEW BOOK CALLED DEMOCRACY NOW, 20 YEARS COVERING THE MOVEMENTS SHAPING AMERICA. SHE SAT DOWN FOR A FEW MINUTES IN THE STUDIO WITH NEW MEXICO INFOCUS PRODUCER SARAH THEY TALKED ABOUT THE 2016 ELECTIONS, WHO INSPIRED AND VALUE OF INDEPENDENT >> AMY GOODMAN, THANKS FOR TAKING TIME TO SIT DOWN >> SO GOOD TO BE WITH YOU, SARAH. >> BUSY 100 CITIES TOUR. >> I KNOW I AM IN NEW MEXICO RIGHT NOW. >> YOUR NEW BOOK, DEMOCRACY 20 YEARS COVERING THE MOVEMENT CHANGING AMERICA, OPENS UP REFLECTONS ON COVERING THE ELECTIONS HAITI IN 1995 AND PREPARING FOR THE 1996 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS HERE IN THE U.S. WHAT DO YOU THINK ELECTIONS TELL US ABOUT THE STATE OF OUR COUNTRY, STATE OF >> I THINK WHAT IS CRITICAL IS PEOPLE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE. I MEAN WHEN I WAS IN HAITI PEOPLE FACED ENORMOUS BOTH POLITICIANS COULD BE DOWN, PEOPLE GOING THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE

VOTING. IN THIS COUNTRY AT THAT TIME HALF THE PEOPLE VOTED, WE WERE LUCKY. THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE. IN THESE PRIMARIES WHILE THERE IS A GREAT DEAL OF WHO COMES OUT FOR WHO, WHAT IS REALLY IS THE SIGNIFICANT NUMBER IS 80% OF PEOPLE ARE NOT VOTING AND THAT GOES TO THE ISSUE, I THINK, OF VOTER OBSTACLES. IT IS UNACCEPTABLE IN THIS COUNTRY THAT THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT IS BEING EVISCERATED. IN TEXAS YOU CAN'T -- YOU HAVE TO SHOW AN ID BUT IT CANNOT BE STUDENT ID, THOUGH YOU CAN A GUN LICENSE. WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT THIS COUNTRY? PEOPLE WHO IN ANYWAY HAD WITH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. IT IS A BIG UNTOLD STORY, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE CANNOT VOTE IN THIS COUNTRY PERHAPS THEY SERVED TIME IN JAIL. AND IN SOME STATES YOU CAN VOTE AGAIN. AND IN OTHER STATES LIKE

AND MAINE, PRISONERS VOTE FROM JAIL. WE NEED TO OPEN UP ACCESS. WE JUST HAD A PRIMARY IN ARIZONA. THERE WERE 200 POLLING PLACES LAST TIME IN PHOENIX, LARGE LATINO POPULATION. NOW 140 OF THEM WERE CLOSED. HOW COULD THIS BE. THE RATIONALE WAS GIVEN MONEY. WHY OPEN ANY POLLING PLACE, EVERYTHING. NO, YOU ENDANGER DEMOCRACY. >> DO YOU ATTRIBUTE THAT SUPREME COURT DECISION AND THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT OF 2013? >> THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT FACT THAT A NUMBER OF STATES NO LONGER UNDER SCRUTINY IS A MAJOR PROBLEM. WE NEED TO INCREASE VOTER PARTICIPATION. FOR EXAMPLE, IN MANY STATES ELECTION DAY IS A HOLIDAY. OR IT IS ON A WEEKEND. HERE IN THE UNITED STATES IT DIFFICULT. IF YOU HAVE A SITUATION LIKE HAD IN ARIZONA WHERE IT TAKES FIVE HOURS TO VOTE AND YOU'RE WORKING THAT DAY, YOU HAVE GOT TO LEAVE UP.

YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO VOTE. WE HAVE TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE ALL ELIGIBLE VOTERS CAN VOTE THIS COUNTRY. THAT MAKES DEMOCRACY >> HOW ARE YOU COVERING 2016 ELECTIONS DIFFERENTLY COMPARED TO OTHER MEDIA? >> WE FOCUS ON MOVEMENT. IT IS SO IMPORTANT. BECAUSE MOVEMENTS MATTER. MOVEMENTS MAKE HISTORY. I MEAN, THE DISPROPORTIONAL COVERAGE OF DONALD TRUMP, NO MATTER WHO YOU SUPPORT, INCLUDING DONALD TRUMP, THE KINDELL REPORT SHOWS IN 2015, GOT 23 TIMES THE COVERAGE OF BERNIE SANDERS. ABC WORLD NEWS TONIGHT GAVE 81 MINUTES, SANDERS GOT 20 SECONDS. I WONDER WHAT SANDERS DID FOR THE 20 SECONDS IN LOOK AT MARCH 15. THAT WAS ONE PRIMARY NIGHT, CALLED IT SUPER TUESDAY THREE. MISSOURI, ILLINOIS, OHIO, FLORIDA AND NORTH CAROLINA. THEY PLAYED THAT NIGHT OVER CORPORATE NETWORKS. THEY BROUGHT YOU MARCO RUBIO'S SPEECH. THEY PULLED OUT BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WIN FLORIDA.

JOHN KASICH'S SPEECH. HE WON HIS FIRST PRIMARY, HILLARY CLINTON HAD WON THREE STATES BY THEN. IT WAS OHIO, FLORIDA AND NORTH CAROLINA. BY THE TIME SHE SPOKE, THEN WAITED AND WAITED FOR TRUMP, SHOWED EMPTY PODIUM IN ONE OF HIS FLORIDA MANSIONS AND THE PUNDITS WERE ALL FILLING THE TIME, YOU KNOW, THE PUNDITS YOU GET ON THESE CORPORATE NETWORKS, WHO KNOW SO LITTLE ABOUT SO MUCH, EXPLAINING THE WORLD TO US AND GETTING IT SO WRONG. FINALLY DONALD TRUMP SPOKE, OKAY, TED CRUZ SPOKE. THEY PLAYED WHAT HE SAID. WHERE WAS BERNIE SANDERS THAT NIGHT? HAD HE FALLEN ASLEEP, HAD HE TAKEN THE NIGHT OFF, WHY ANY OF THE NETWORKS I AM TALKING FOX, MS-NBC, CNN. HE DISAPPEARED. THERE IS SOMETHING WORSE THAN NEGATIVE COVERAGE AND IT IS VANISH SOMEBODY. >> THE NEXT MORNING NOW, WE PLAYED EXCERPTS OF BERNIE SANDER'S SPEECH. HE SPOKE BEFORE THOUSAND OF PEOPLE IN PHOENIX, ARIZONA. WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT IT BE REVOLUTIONARY ACT TO PLAY SPEECH OF A MAJOR PARTY

PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE ON THE NIGHT OR THE MORNING AFTER A MAJOR SERIES OF PRIMARIES. IT IS UNACCEPTABLE WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THIS COUNTRY. EVEN THOUGH HE HAS BROKEN MANY RECORDS FROM FUND RAISING, 44 MILLION-DOLLARS IN MARCH, HILLARY CLINTON'S 29 MILLION. THE NUMBER OF DONORS WELL OVER SIX MILLION. IT IS NOT ABOUT WHO YOU ARE AND WHO YOU'RE AGAINST, HAVE TO BE FAIR IN THEIR COVERAGE. AND ONE MORE THING. I CALL FOR AN ELECTORAL SEASON WITHOUT POLLS. I KNOW THAT SOUNDS EXTREME, THINK ABOUT IT. WHY ARE POLLS SO IMPORTANT? I MEAN, WHEN I AM TRYING MY DECISION, DO I CARE WHAT THINK OR MY FAMILY THINKS? I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE ISSUES ARE THAT THE CANDIDATES THINK ARE IMPORTANT, WHAT THEIR RECORDS ARE. THE WAY THE NETWORKS DO IT, IT IS SORT OF LIKE IT MAKES IT LIKE A HORSE RACE, RIGHT? THIS ONE IS AHEAD, THIS ONE IS BEHIND. AND THEN YOU COME TO THE DAY

THE PRIMARY AND THE POLLS ARE WRONG AND SO THEY SPEND PERIOD OF TIME TALKING THEY GOT IT SO WRONG. WHAT THE NETWORKS NEED TO DO SPEND THE SAME MILLIONS OF DOLLARS NOT ON POLLS BUT ON INVESTIGATING RECORDS AND POLICIES OF PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, WE HAVE POLLS. PRIMARIES AND CAUCUSES ARE NATURAL POLLS AT THE END THESE ARE FACT BASED. THEY ARE NOT SPECULATION. YOU FIND OUT DEMOGRAPHICS VOTERS, YOU FIND OUT BREAKDOWN, AGE BREAKDOWN, ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT, BUT WHY NOT BASE IT IN FACT. THE POLLS THAT WE ARE WITH SHOULD JUST STOP. >> YOU WERE ARRESTED REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION IN ST. PAUL. OTHER JOURNALISTS HAVE BEEN ARRESTED THIS YEAR AT TRUMP RALLIES? WHY DOES THAT CONCERN YOU. >> I AM GRAVELY CONCERNED THIS. IT WAS NOT JUST ME. I WAS ARRESTED IN 2012, THE FIRST DAY OF THE REPUBLICAN CONVENTION IN ST. PAUL.

WE HAD BEEN COVERING THE PEACE PROTEST, OUTSIDE, 10,000 LED BY SOLDIERS WHO HAD BEEN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN. I WENT TO THE CONVENTION FLOOR AND WAS INTERVIEWING DELEGATES FROM ALASKA, JOHN MCCLAIN, PALIN. I GOT A CALL THAT TWO HAD BEEN ARRESTED AND BLOODIED BY THE POLICE. I SAID WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THEY ARE IN THE TV STATION DIGITIZING TAPES. MY COLLEAGUE SAID, NO, COME QUICKLY, SEVENTH AND JACKSON ST. PAUL. THEY WERE COVERING A PROTEST THAT HAD BROKEN OUT IN THE AFTERNOON AND THEY WERE ARRESTED. NOW, I SIMPLY WENT TO THAT CORNER TO GET MY COLLEAGUES RELEASED. I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM. I RACED TO THE CORNER. I SAW THE RIOT POLICE LINED THEY HAD FULLY CONTAINED THE AREA. I WENT UP TO ONE OF THE RIOT POLICE OFFICERS, AND I SAID, EXCUSE ME, WE NEED TO HAVE OUR REPORTS RELEASED. IT WASN'T SECONDS BEFORE HE RIPPED ME THROUGH THE POLICE LINES, TWISTED MY ARMS BACK, SLAPPED HANDCUFFS PLEASE, SIR, I WANT TO SPEAK

YOUR MANY COMMANDING OFFICER. DON'T ARREST ME. HE PUSHED ME TO THE GROUND AND CHARGED ME WITH A MISDEMEANOR INTERFERING WITH A PEACE OFFICER. IF ONLY THERE WAS A PEACE OFFICER IN THE VICINITY. NOW, ULTIMATELY BECAUSE ARRESTED, THERE WAS AMOUNT OF PRESSURE BROUGHT ON THE ST. PAUL MINNEAPOLIS ALL THE AUTHORITIES, THOUSANDS OF CALLS, EMAILS, TWEETS, DIFFERENT FORM OF SO AFTER A NUMBER OF HOURS RELEASED AND MY COLLEAGUES BUT I WAS ONE OF 40 REPORTERS MORE ARRESTED AT THAT IN THAT WEEK. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. LATER THAT NIGHT I WAS BROUGHT BACK TO THE CONVENTION IN THE NBC SKY BOX AND BEING INTERVIEWED. WHEN THE CAMERA WAS TURNED AN NBC REPORTER CAME OVER AND SAID, HEY, HOW COME I DIDN'T ARRESTED? WERE YOU OUT COVERING THE PROTEST TOO? >> HE SAID NO. >> I SAID, OH, WELL, I DON'T ARRESTED IN THE SKY BOX IT'S OUR JOB TO COVER THE DELEGATES, TO GET INTO THE

CORPORATE SUITES OF THE DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN CONVENTIONS, WHO IS SPONSORING THESE EVENTS, AND TO GO OUT THE STREETS WHERE GUESTS ARE AND THERE ARE OFTEN THOUSANDS OF THEM. DEMOCRACY IS A MESSY THING AND IT IS OUR JOB TO CAPTURE IT AND WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO GET A RECORD WHEN WE PUT THINGS RECORD. >> AMY, WHO WERE YOUR MENTORS AND PEOPLE YOU LOOKED UP TO IN EARLY YEARS OF YOUR CAREER? YOU HAVE BEEN DEMOCRACY 20 NOW. >> THESE 20 YEARS HAVE BEEN AN AMAZING EXPERIENCE. I WAS A JOURNALIST SINCE I WAS KID. MY PARENTS, MY GRANDPARENTS WONDERFUL ROLE MODELS. THEY WEREN'T INVOLVED IN JOURNALISM BUT IN LIVING AN ETHICAL LIFE. AND I SAW JOURNALISM AS A WAY LOOK AT THE WORLD, TO ALSO THE PEOPLE, THE HERETICS, THE WHISTLE BLOWERS, CHANGE THE PROFITS, WHO DEEPLY CARED ABOUT MAKING THE WORLD PLACE.

AND THAT HAS ALWAYS INSPIRED AND I HOPE IN DEMOCRACY NOW SO HONORED HERE AT NEW MEXICO PBS THAT WE BROADCAST THE GRASS ROOTS GLOBAL NEWS HOUR, THAT WE PROVIDE A FORUM FOR PEOPLE TO SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. WHEN YOU HEAR SOMEONE SPEAKING FROM THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE, WHETHER A PALESTINIAN CHILD OR AN ISRAELI GRANDMOTHER, AUNT, AND UNCLE FROM AFGHANISTAN, A KID FROM EAST LOUIS OR THE SOUTH VALLEY HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE, IT CHALLENGES STEREOTYPES AND CARICATURES FUEL HATE GROUPS. WHEN YOU HEAR SOMEONE SPEAKING FROM THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE, YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY ARE FROM. I DIDN'T SAY AGREE. HOW OFTEN DO WE EVEN AGREE FAMILY MEMBERS, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND SOMETHING WHICH MAKES IT MUCH LESS YOU WANT TO HURT THEM. THAT IS IMPORTANT. THAT UNDERSTANDING IS THE BEGINNING OF PEACE. I THINK THE MEDIA CAN BE THE GREATEST FORCE FOR PEACE ON EARTH INSTEAD ALL TOO OFTEN IT IS WIELDED AS A WEAPON OF WAR

WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE TO TAKE MEDIA BACK. >> AMY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SPENDING SOME TIME WITH US TODAY. >> I AM GENE GRANT BACK AT THE LINE TABLE WITH THIS WEEK'S OPINION PANELISTS. THE ALBUQUERQUE JOURNAL A NEW STUDY SHOWS YOUTH IN NEW MEXICO ARE, QUOTE, OFF THE CHARTS, END QUOTE, FOR EARLY TRAUMA. THE STUDY EXAMINED SEVERAL MEASURES OF TRAUMA, INCLUDING NEGLECT, SEXUAL ABUSE, FAMILY VIOLENCE AND MENTAL ILLNESS DRUG ABUSE. THE STUDY FOCUSED ON TEENS IN THE JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM FOUND THAT TEENS IN NEW MEXICO EXPERIENCE ABUSE AND NEGLECT A RATE SEVEN TIMES HIGHER THAN THE REST OF THE COUNTRY. THAT IS A HUGE NUMBER. ALMOST SHOCKING WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE BALL AND CHAIN OUR KIDS ARE WALKING OUT THE FRONT DOOR WITH AT AN EARLY AGE IN TRYING TO DEAL WITH SOCIETY. HOW DID THIS HIT YOU WHEN YOU FIRST SAW THE STORY? >> I WAS STUNNED. IT HIT THE SAME WEEK TOGETHER CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED AND THE PULL TOGETHER IS ALREADY GETTING A LOT OF SCRUTINY, AS A COMMUNICATIONS PERSON MYSELF, I AM HOPEFUL BY IT,

BECAUSE IT IS A CALL TO ACTION CAMPAIGN. AND THEN PEOPLE ARE SCRATCHING THEIR HEADS BECAUSE THE SAME FOLKS THAT DO NEW MEXICO TRUE ARE DOING PULL TOGETHER. I WILL SAY THIS, NEW MEXICO WORKS, AND THE REASON IT IS IT DELIVERED ON NEW MEXICO IS A UNIQUE, COOL STATE, BUT THEY ALSO BUILT AN ORGANIC CAMPAIGN WITH BUY-IN FROM LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES, AND THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY DYING TO PROVIDE CONTENT AND MAKE STORY REAL. IF THAT APPROACH WERE APPLIED CYFD, IT COULD BE REALLY INTERESTING. FOR ME, THE QUESTION IS CAN CYFD, WITH CURRENT RESOURCES STAFF, CAN THEY DELIVER ON THE PROMISE FOR BETTER OUTCOMES OUR CHILDREN. >> IT IS LOFTY WHAT THEY ARE SAYING THEY WANT TO DO. >> DOES THAT MEAN THE FIELD EMPLOYEES FEEL VALUED AND ARE EMPOWERED AND CAN ACTUALLY DIFFERENCES IN FAMILY LIVES? ARE THE MANAGEMENT MAKING SURE THEY HAVE RESOURCES THEY NEED.

I THINK IT IS GOOD TALK. CAN YOU DELIVER? THEN YOU RAISE THE STAKES WITH THESE NUMBERS. THE STAKES COULD NOT BE >> GOOD POINT. I LIKE THAT A LOT. >> TOUCH ON THAT, IT IS ONE THING TO UNDERSTAND THE TRAUMAS THAT GO INTO A CHILDHOOD HERE IN NEW MEXICO ANOTHER THING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. DOES THIS DO SOMETHING FUNDAMENTALLY, WHAT CYFD IS LOOKING TO DO WITH THIS CAMPAIGN? >> I MEAN I AM NOT SURE POINT IT IS VERY NEW AND JUST GOT LAUNCHED. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT SOMETHING BE DONE BUT I THINK IT IS MORE THAN JUST THIS PARTICULAR CAMPAIGN. EARLY CHILDHOOD ISSUES, THIS NO SURPRISE TO ANYONE, IS PROBLEM AND THIS PUTS SOME SPECIFIC NUMBERS ON IT, BUT IT DEFINITELY IS NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE ISSUE WITH CURRENT JUVENILES. IT HAS HAPPENED FOR PROBABLY HERE IN NEW MEXICO. SO, YOU KNOW, THE STUDENTS OR THE YOUTH THAT WERE PART STUDY, IT WAS IN 2011, THERE 220 YOUTH WHO WERE BASICALLY DELINQUENT WHO WERE

IN 2011 AND OF THOSE 220 -- A NUMBERS PERSON SO I THINK THIS, TO ME, WAS INTERESTING. OF THE 220, 190 WERE BOYS, AND 30 WERE GIRLS. OF THOSE 190 BOYS, 20% HAD REPORTED SEXUAL ABUSE OF SOME SORT IN THEIR PAST, 50% HAD REPORTED PHYSICAL ABUSE, PHYSICAL VIOLENCE. OF THE GIRLS, AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT 30, 66% OF THEM REPORTED SEXUAL ABUSE, 75% REPORTED KIND OF PHYSICAL VIOLENCE. SO, IT IS A SMALL SAMPLE SIZE YOU CONSIDER EVERYONE A PART JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM AND IT IS JUST FOR THOSE INCARCERATED IN 2011, BUT GIVES US INTO WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF YOUTH WHO HAVE SUFFERED SOME KIND OF A TRAUMA EARLY IN CHILDHOOD. YOU PROJECT THAT OUT INTO THE POPULATION, INTO CURRENT GENERATIONS, BASICALLY ADULTS NOW, YOUNG ADULTS OR OLDER ADULTS, INTO WHAT KIND OF PROBLEMS THEY HAVE HAD LIVES AND YOU SEE IT IS MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM AND ONE WE HAVE TO PUT RESOURCES INTO. FOR ME LOOKING AT THESE

THE CAMPAIGN IS ONE STEP, THINK WHAT WOULD REALLY BE HELPFUL IS A WHOLE LOT MORE FUNDING FOR EARLY CHILDHOOD, LIKE MULTIPLE EFFORTS THERE BEEN AT THE STATE LEGISLATURE FOR YEARS. >> DOES THIS NOT BEG LOOK AT EARLY CHILDHOOD INTERVENTION. DO THEY NOT STRAIGHT OUT CRY FOR SOMETHING? >> THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN VERY CONTROVERSIAL BECAUSE THE IDEA IS TO TAKE A PERCENTAGE OF THE PERMANENT FUND AND PUT IT IN EARLY CHILDHOOD AND PERMANENT FUND IS SUPPOSED TO BE USED A RAINY DAY. >> I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT GETS LOST. I AM NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU BUT THE PERMANENT FUND IS FOR EDUCATION AND EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION FALLS THAT UMBRELLA. WE SEE THE DIFFICULTY THAT ARE HAVING LATER ON IN THEIR EDUCATIONAL LIVES AND PERSONAL LIVES, IT ACTUALLY DOES SEEM LIKE AN APPROPRIATE USE. I APOLOGIZE FOR CUTTING I THINK YOU'RE MAKING AN IMPORTANT POINT. >> DANIEL, TO GO TO LAURA'S NUMBERS, SHE LOVES NUMBERS, TOO. 1000% OF THOSE BOYS, 190 BOYS

WERE AFFECTED BY PHYSICAL NEGLECT. 100% OF THOSE KIDS THAT WERE INCARCERATED. AND I'M THINKING THESE NUMBERS ARE ACTUALLY A LITTLE MORE INTERESTING THAN A BIGGER, BROADER NUMBER. THESE ARE KIDS THAT HAVE FALLEN OUT, FALLEN THROUGH THE CRACKS. AND WE HAVE A REAL CLEAR LOOK NOW AT HOW THE SKIDS GETS GREASED FOR KIDS TO GO DOWNHILL. IS THIS A BIG ENOUGH ISSUE WE HAVE A SERIOUS ENOUGH AND STUDY TO BEG ANOTHER LOOK EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION? >> NOT AT ALL. BECAUSE AS I HAVE SAID MANY TIMES AT THIS TABLE, I AM NOT CONVINCED THAT EARLY CHILDHOOD INTERVENTION IS WHAT FIXES IT. WE'RE SPENDING MORE MONEY AND THERE IS MORE PROGRAMS CHILDHOOD. WE HAVE HEAD START. WE HAVE ALL THESE PROGRAMS HAVE EXISTED FOR YEARS. THEY ARE NOT WORKING. >> THEY ARE NOT WORKING THEY ARE NOT ADDRESSING WHAT KNOW NOW? >> I DON'T THINK THAT IS ACTUALLY TRUE. >> THERE IS NO MATRIX THAT HEAD START HAS BEEN EFFECTIVE RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR WHAT MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT THEY ARE DOING FOR WITH THE NUMBER OF CHILD GOING UP, LOOK AT WHAT WE ARE DOING IN NEW MEXICO, NUMBER OF KIDS THAT ARE IN THESE

THE NUMBERS ARE NOT DECLINING NEW MEXICO AND WE HAVE BEEN SPENDING. WE HAVEN'T BEEN SPENDING AS SOME PEOPLE WANT BUT THEY HAVE BEEN SPENDING A LOT MORE MONEY ON IT. SO THE PROBLEM IS AT THE END THE DAY WE HAVE TO GET SERIOUS ABOUT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO ADDRESS PROBLEMS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS SPECIFIC QUESTION THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE CYFD CAMPAIGN, AM NOT SURE I AM A FAN OF SPENDING 2.7 MILLION TO GO OUT AND TELL PEOPLE, WE SHOULD ALL GET TOGETHER AND WE CAN MAKE LIVES BETTER. WE SHOULD FIGURE OUT WAYS TOOLS TO PEOPLE FOR THAT CURRENT EXIST. I'LL FINISH BY SAYING THIS, AGAIN, I THINK THAT THIS IS A SYSTEMIC PROBLEM IN GOVERNMENT WHETHER IT IS LOCAL, STATE, OR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. INSTEAD OF SAYING, HOW DO THIS PROGRAM OR HOW DO ANOTHER PROGRAM, HOW ABOUT TAKING A REAL LOOK AT PROGRAMS THAT EXIST AND GETTING RID OF THE ONES FAILING AND PUTTING MONEY TO THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE WORKING, INSTEAD OF THIS GOING TO CUT EVERYTHING 10% OR ADD EVERYTHING 10%, 10 PROGRAMS AND FIVE ARE FAILING, TAKE THAT MONEY FROM THOSE FIVE AND GIVE THEM ONES THAT ARE WORKING. >> I AM STILL ON THIS THING,

SEEMS TO ME WE'RE GETTING NEW EAR OF UNDERSTANDING OF IF YOU DO NOT WANT PEOPLE ROBBING YOUR MOTHER, YOUR HOUSE, YOU BETTER FIX IT ON THE FRONT END BECAUSE IT IS GOING YOU A LOT MORE MONEY TO FIX IT WHEN THE KID IS 19. >> I AM NOT SURE THIS IS GOING TO END UP BEING ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE BLIPS THAT WE NEVER ADEQUATELY ADDRESS. THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME -- MAYBE NOT THIS SPECIFIC INFORMATION BUT THIS IS NOT FIRST TIME THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE EFFECT OF POVERTY, EFFECT OF ALCOHOLISM AND DRUG ABUSE IN FAMILIES. THE EFFECT OF PARENTS WHO THEMSELVES WERE NOT PARENTED WELL. WHO BECAME PARENTS TOO YOUNG, THE LACK OF SEX EDUCATION, I MEAN, WE CAN GO ON AND ON. THESE ARE ALL CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE BEEN HAVING FOR AT LEAST DECADES. I CAN ONLY TALK ABOUT THE ONES HAVE SEEN IN MY LIFETIME, WE CHIP AWAY AT IT AND CHIP AT IT AND WE DON'T SEE OF CONCERTED FOCUS, NOT

POLITICIZED, EFFORTS THAT WHEN WE FEEL LIKE THIS GROUP OVER HERE DID A GOOD JOB, WE ARE FOLLOWING THOSE LEADS FEEL WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE WE ARE UP >> IT IS NOT JUST THE ADVERSE OUTCOMES FOR KIDS. IT IS WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE WHEN THEY GET OLDER. THE HEART DISEASE, ALL KINDS DIFFERENT PHYSICAL AILMENTS COST THE STATE MONEY. >> MOST OF THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HEART DISEASE. THEY ARE IN PRISON BEFORE >> HERE IS THE POINT. IT COSTS THE STATE MONEY, PEOPLE BECOME ADULTS AND THEY HAVE ALL THESE SYSTEMIC PHYSICALLY BECAUSE OF THESE ISSUES EARLY ON. IT ENDS UP COSTING US ANYWAY. >> I DON'T OBJECT TO US MORE MONEY ON THIS ISSUE BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT EARLY INTERVENTION IS THE ANSWER. IT MIGHT BE FULLY STAFFING CASE LOADS ARE INCREDIBLY THERE IS A REQUIREMENT TO SEE EVERY CHILD A CERTAIN NUMBER

TIMES PER MONTH AND ONE THING THAT IS NOT FUNDED ARE THERE USED TO BE DRIVERS THE -- >> TO GET TO THE APPOINTMENT. >> AND BACK, SO NOW THE CHILD ADVOCATES IN A GIVEN DAY ARE GOING FROM RIO RANCHO TO BELEN TO THE EAST MOUNTAINS AND THAT IS LESS AMOUNT OF TIME THAT ADVOCATES HAVE WITH THAT >> HERE IS A BIG ISSUE. ALL OF THIS STUFF IS A PROBLEM BUT WE KEEP GOING BACK TO WE WANT THE FAMILY TO BE HELD TOGETHER. AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO REALIZE, SOME PEOPLE SUCK AS PARENTS, THEY ARE NOT GOOD. AND AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE GOT TO SAY, THE GOAL IS HOW -- >> WE DON'T GIVE UP ON THEM? >> AT SOME POINT YOU DO. WHEN YOU HAVE EIGHT KIDS HAVE BEEN A HORRIBLE PARENT EIGHT KIDS AND IT AIN'T ANY BETTER, AT SOME POINT -- >> WE SHIP THEM OUT OF STATE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FOSTER PARENTS. >> WE'LL GO BACK TO THE 2.7 MENTIONED FROM CYFD AND JUST IDEA OF A NEW MEXICO TRUE TYPE CAMPAIGN.

IS IT GOING TO MOVE HEARTS AND SOULS? IS IT GOING TO BE AN EFFECTIVE CAMPAIGN? IS IT A CALL TO ACTION? >> WHAT IS DIFFERENT IS THAT IT IS A CALL TO ACTION FROM THIS ADMINISTRATION DEPARTMENT ITSELF. THERE HAS BEEN CALLS TO ACTION ALREADY FROM ADVOCATES, FOR YEARS. TRYING TO GET MORE RESOURCES, MORE ATTENTION ON THIS ISSUE. I THINK, YOU KNOW, I AM GLAD THAT SOMETHING IS BEING DONE I DON'T THINK IT IS ENOUGH. >> ONE POINT, I HAVE DONE A NUMBER OF CAMPAIGNS LIKE THESE ON THE FEDERAL AND NATIONAL LEVEL. I DON'T KNOW HOW I WOULD SPEND 2.7 MILLION-DOLLARS IN NEW MEXICO. >> WE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE. I DON'T THINK IT IS THE GOVERNMENT THAT IS SUCCESSFUL DOING THIS. THERE ARE A TON OF NONPROFITS NEW MEXICO THAT HAVE SHOWN UNBELIEVABLE PENCHANT FOR SUCCESS. THEY HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL CONTINUE TO NOT GIVE THEM THEY NEED. >> LAST WORD. LATER THIS HOUR, THE LINE ABOUT CHANGES IN POLICE DEPARTMENT'S USE POLICY. >> REACH OUT TO US ANY TIME ON

SOCIAL MEDIA AND JOIN THE CONVERSATION. NMINFOCUS ON FACEBOOK AND TWITTER AND FIND EPISODES AND WEB EXTRAS AT OUR WEBSITE, NEWMEXICOINFOCUS.ORG. >> LADELLA AWAD, A SYRIAN AMERICAN BORN IN THE U.S. IS A JUNIOR AT ALBUQUERQUE SCHOOL OF EXCELLENCE, AND JUST PUBLISHED HER SECOND BOOK OF POETRY. HER COLLECTION OF 45 POEMS TITLED SAD PIANO MUSIC INCLUDES INTERVIEWS WITH FOUR SYRIAN BORN U.S. RESIDENTS AND PRODUCER SARAH GUSTAVUS SAT WITH LADELLA TO TALK ABOUT HER EXPERIENCE AS SYRIAN AMERICAN TEENAGER LIVING IN ALBUQUERQUE AND HER HOPE FOR THE FUTURE OF THE COUNTRY THAT IS STILL HOME TO MANY OF HER RELATIVES. >> LADELLA, NICE TO MEET YOU. >> NICE TO MEET YOU TOO. >> YOUR IN HIGH SCHOOL AND YOU HAVE ALREADY PUBLISHED TWO BOOKS. WHAT DID IT FEEL LIKE WHEN FIRST BECAME A PUBLISHED

>> IT FELT AMAZING. IT FELT LIKE I WAS FROM THE SCHOOL AND EVERYONE KNEW ME AND THEY ARE LIKE, WOW, YOU WROTE A BOOK, THAT IS GREAT. >> WAS THAT A DREAM OF YOURS FROM THE TIME YOU WERE LITTLE. >> I ALWAYS HAD A DREAM UP IN FRONT OF PEOPLE MY STORY, BECOME A PUBLISHED WRITER, TALK ABOUT LIFE, REALITY, IMAGINATION. >> WHY POETRY, WHY DOES THAT RESONATE WITH YOU? >> I FEEL POETRY HAS MORE EMOTIONAL AND LIKE, I FEEL WHEN I WRITE POETRY I HAVE THOUGHTS WHEN I WRITE, AND I FEEL LIKE IT IS CLOSE WHEN I WRITE IT IS FROM MY HEART ON ALL KINDS OF THINGS, DREAMS, YEAH. >> YOU WRITE IN YOUR FIRST BEHIND THE COVERS, IT IS ABOUT HUMAN BEINGS AND THE MASKS WE WEAR EVERYDAY. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO YOU? >> THE MASKS WE WEAR EVERYDAY, BASICALLY PEOPLE WILL HIDE WHO THEY ARE, TRUE FEELINGS, WHO HIDE BEHIND THE COVERS AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE, THEY DON'T KNOW WHO THE PERSON BASICALLY IS UNTIL

KNOW WHO THEY ARE. >> DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU DO >> I MEAN, EVERYONE HAS YEAH, I MEAN. >> SO, BUT DOES YOUR POETRY BRING A PART OF YOU OUT TO PEOPLE THAT YOU MIGHT STRUGGLE WITH SHOWING THEM? >> YES. >> HOW SO? >> I FEEL LIKE BASICALLY ABOUT MYSELF IN THE BOOK I WENT THROUGH THINGS DURING, YOU KNOW, BULLYING, BEHIND THE COVERS, BUT I WENT AND DISCOVERED PEOPLE, LIKE I DISCOVERED PEOPLE LIKE ALL THE TIME. THERE IS ALWAYS THOSE PEOPLE THAT PUT ON MASKS, DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE BASICALLY. >> YOU'RE SYRIAN AMERICAN. IS IT HARD TO TALK ABOUT BEING SYRIAN AMERICAN TODAY? >> IT IS A LITTLE BIT. THERE IS A LOT OF HATE GOING THOSE DAYS AND ALL THAT, BUT, FEEL LIKE I AM IN A FREE COUNTRY. I CAN TALK ABOUT WHATEVER AND, YOU KNOW, BEING I AM REALLY PROUD TO BE WHO I AM, TOO, YEAH. >> HOW DO YOU BRING THAT PART WHO YOU ARE INTO YOUR POETRY? HOW IS THAT IN YOUR LATEST >> MY LATEST BOOKS TALK ABOUT

LIKE I TALK ABOUT SYRIA AND I TALK ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON, I ALSO TALK WHERE I AM COMING FROM, PERSONALLY, LIKE HERE IN AMERICA, HAVING FREEDOM OF SPEECH, HAVING TO WRITE I WANT AND NOT BEING KILLED OR HIDING OR, YOU KNOW. YEAH. >> DO YOU KEEP IN TOUCH WITH FAMILY IN SYRIA? >> I DO, I TALK TO THEM REGULARLY. THEY ARE NOT IN A SAFE PLACE, THEY ARE IN A SAFE PLACE, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT IS HARD WHAT IS GOING ON. >> THERE IS A LOT RIGHT NOW. >> UH-HUH. >> HOW HAS THAT INFLUENCED THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOUR FAMILY IN SYRIA? >> LIKE BASICALLY IT TALKS I MEAN, BASICALLY THEY TALK -- THEY DON'T TELL ME WHAT IS GOING. THEY JUST SAY THANK GOD WE ARE IN A SAFE PLACE. OTHER PEOPLE AROUND THEY ARE BEING TORN APART, HOUSES ARE BOMBED, BUT I THANK GOD THEY ARE IN A SAFE PLACE. YEAH. >> DO YOU WORRY ABOUT YOUNG PEOPLE IN SYRIA TODAY? >> I DO WORRY ABOUT YOUNG LIKE ME THAT DON'T GET EDUCATION, THAT DON'T GET FUTURES, PEOPLE THAT JUST

HAVE A LIFE BASICALLY. EVEN THE YOUNG CHILDREN, LIKE BASICALLY ABOUT THE YOUNG CHILDREN, CHILDREN MY AGE AND YOUNGER. >> WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT THAT YOU COVERED IN YOUR SECOND BOOK >> BASICALLY ABOUT TALKING LIKE THAT LITTLE KID ELAN, THE LITTLE KID THAT WAS A REFUGEE WITH HIS FAMILY, HIM AND HIS BROTHER WERE CROSSING TRYING TO RUN AWAY TORN COUNTRY AND THEY DIED AND ENDED UP DROWNING AND HIS DAD ONLY ONE THAT SURVIVED, ABOUT THE LITTLE CHILDREN AND THE GROWNUPS, ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE FROM SYRIA. >> YOU WRITE IN THE FIRST PERSON. HOW DID YOU GET INTO THAT TO DO THAT KIND OF WRITING? >> I GOT INTO BASICALLY GOT A LOT OF NEWS, WATCH A LOT OF NEWS, MY FAMILY WOULD TELL ME STORIES, BUT I WOULD SEE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE SEEING THE NEWS, SEE THE NEWS AND SEE CHILDREN, PEOPLE GETTING INNOCENT PEOPLE, BASICALLY, THEN I GOT INTO IT AND I WAS LIKE, WOW, YOU SHOULD FEEL FOR THOSE INNOCENT CHILDREN THE OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD, YEAH.

>> WAS THAT DIFFICULT FOR YOU EMOTIONALLY, TO CREATE SADNESS IN YOUR LIFE TO PUT YOURSELF THAT PLACE? >> I DID CREATE SOME EMOTION. EVERY TIME I WOULD SEE THOSE LITTLE CHILDREN, INNOCENT PEOPLE, HUMANITY BASICALLY, I WOULD FEEL REALLY SAD, SEEING MYSELF IN THE SAME POSITION AND SEEING IF I WAS THAT POSITION HOW I WOULD >> WHAT DO YOU HOPE PEOPLE GET OUT OF READING YOUR BOOK AND THINKING ABOUT THE CURRENT CONFLICT IN SYRIA? >> I AM HOPING FOR THEM HUMANITY, HOPING FOR THEM TO FEEL WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE PEOPLE OF SYRIA AND YOU KNOW MAYBE WE SIT DOWN TABLE AND EAT WITH FAMILY HERE IN AMERICA, BUT PEOPLE AND OTHER PLACES ARE BEING APART, LIKE INNOCENT PEOPLE BASICALLY PEOPLE GETTING, YOU KNOW, KILLED EVERYDAY, YEAH. >> DO YOU THINK WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS ENOUGH IN NEW RIGHT NOW? >> I THINK WE SHOULD SPREAD NEWS A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I MEAN, WORLD NEWS THERE IS A LOT ON AND ALL THAT, BUT HERE MEXICO, WE SHOULD FEEL

PEOPLE AND, YOU KNOW, JUST REALLY PRAY FOR THOSE PEOPLE IMAGINE IF WE WERE IN THE SAME POSITION HOW WE WOULD FEEL. >> ABSOLUTELY. WHAT ARE YOUR HOPES RIGHT NOW FOR SYRIA? >> MY HOPES FOR THEM IS PEACE, FUTURES GOING BACK TO WHERE WERE BEFORE. THEY HAVE BEAUTIFUL HISTORIES, HISTORIES DESTROYED SOME PARTS OF IT, BUT HOPING FOR THEM BACK TO THE SAME PLACE BEFORE, HAVING FAMILIES KNOW, JUST BASICALLY PEACE. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ SOME OF YOUR POETRY NOW. >> SURE I WOULD. THIS ONE IS CALLED ELAN HIS LITTLE ANGEL AND THIS ONE BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT THE LITTLE KID I WAS TALKING ABOUT BEING A REFUGEE, THE REFUGEE CRISIS THAT IS GOING ON. SO, ELAN, THAT SERIOUS LITTLE ANGEL. I AM WATCHING THE NEWS HERE IN SYRIA, SAD STORY, THAT MADE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE CRIED THE WORLD, A BROKEN HEARTED HEARING ABOUT THE INNOCENT CHILD'S BODY WASHING AWAY WATER.

DROWN, TRYING TO RUN AWAY FROM SYRIA. A LITTLE BOY CROSSING REFUGEE WITH HIS FAMILY, WITH WINGS LIKE A BIRD GOING TO HEAVEN. ELAN, A SYRIAN BOY, DROWNED IN THE SALTY WATER THE HIGH WAVES FLIPPING WITH HIS MOTHER, WHO DIED WITH HIM, AND THE ONLY PERSON SURVIVED, HIS FATHER, HEARING SCREAMS OF PAIN AND FEAR, WE HEAR THE FATHER'S SCREAMS, HIS BROKEN HEART, HEARING INNOCENT CHILDREN AND INNOCENT CHILD DYING FOR NO REASON, MY HEART CRY, WHAT HAVE THEY DONE? WE SEE THE CHILDREN LIKE INNOCENT BIRDS DYING FROM FIRE AND WAVES OF WATER, TRYING TO GET AWAY SEEING PEOPLE DEAD IN THE WATER. SO, BASICALLY THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT ALSO THE OTHER CHILDREN THAT DROWNED AND YOU KNOW BASICALLY REFUGEES THAT DROWN THE OCEAN AND ALL THAT. >> HOW DO YOU TALK TO YOUR CLASSMATES ABOUT THIS, WORK YOU'RE DOING? IT IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT AND DIFFICULT TOPIC.

HOW DO THEY REACT? >> I TRY TO MAKE THEM FEEL YOU KNOW, TRY TO MAKE THEM FOR HUMANITY, TRYING TO REACH OUT FOR HELP -- WE ARE HERE WE ARE STUDYING IN CLASS HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY HERE. AND THEN I JUST HAD TO TELL THEM, WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE NO EDUCATION. WE GO TO SCHOOL AND EVERYDAY. MAYBE THEY DON'T GO TO SCHOOL, MAYBE DESTROYED, THEY ARE SITTING ON THE FLOORS TO GET THEIR EDUCATION AND MAYBE NOT. >> WHERE DO YOU HOPE TO TAKE YOUR WRITING IN THE FUTURE? >> I HOPE TO BE A JOURNALIST, BASICALLY TALK ABOUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST BASICALLY ABOUT JOURNALISM BUT TALKING ABOUT REALITY BUT ALSO POETRY. I WISH TO BE A JOURNALIST, YOU KNOW, COMING UP AND TALKING ABOUT THINGS IN THE REAL WORLD AND ALL THAT. >> ARE THERE OTHER STYLES OF WRITING YOU'RE TRYING OUT NOW? >> I AM TRYING A SHORT STORY. POETRY, I ALREADY TRIED BUT SHORT STORY, TALKING ABOUT BULLYING AND HOW I EXPERIENCED BULLYING THROUGH MY SCHOOL BUT BASICALLY TALKING HOW I WANT TO TALK ABOUT MY STORY BEING BULLIED AND OTHER

STUDENTS AND PEOPLE THAT GO THROUGH SCHOOL AND THEY ARE BEING BULLIED AND BEING A VICTIM, BASICALLY. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR STOPPING BY TO TALK WITH US. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, THANK >> WELCOME BACK TO THE LINE, JEFF PROCTOR WITH NEW MEXICO IN-DEPTH REPORTED THIS WEEK THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S NEW USE OF FORCE POLICY. THE STORY IS PART SERIES ON THE JUSTICE SYSTEM JEFF REPORTED THE CHAIR OF THE CITIZEN OVERSIGHT BOARD SAYS THE BOARD WAS LEFT OUT OF THE PROCESS OF DRAFTING THAT POLICY AND RAISED CONCERNS THE LANGUAGE OF THAT NEW WE'LL GET INTO. LAURA, WHAT DO YOU MAKE ABOUT THE LEGAL CONCERNS AROUND THERE IS LITTLE BIT WE HAVE TO PARSE OUR WAY THROUGH. OVERALL, WHAT IS YOUR SENSE OF MS. MOORE'S PUSH BACK. >> SHE MADE LEGITIMATE AS MY HUSBAND CONSTANTLY REMINDS, LAWYERS LIKE TO PARSE WORDS. WE LIKE TO USE VERY SPECIFIC WORDS AND PARSE OUT THEIR MEANINGS. FOR ME, LOOKING AT THIS, THE FACT THEY USED THE WORD MULTIPLE TIMES, MORE SO THAN

ANY OTHER TYPE OF POLICY LIKE THIS, AND THEY HAD -- AT LEAST THE STORY I READ FROM JEFF PROCTOR CITED TO OTHER CITIES' POLICIES ALSO AND COMPARED OF HOW MANY TIMES THEY USED FEASIBLE VERSUS REASONABLE AND ONE OF THE ISSUES MS. MOORE BROUGHT UP IS THAT THERE IS A STANDARD BASICALLY WORLD, THERE IS DIFFERENT STANDARDS THAT YOU USE AND ONE IS THE REASONABLE MAN REASONABLE PERSON STANDARD. WHAT WOULD A REASONABLE PERSON DO IN A SIMILAR SITUATION? IT IS A VERY COMMON STANDARD USED IN CRIMINAL LAW IN PARTICULAR AND IN THIS SITUATION, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD WHAT WOULD A REASONABLE DO IN THE SITUATION RATHER USING REASONABLENESS STANDARD, THE POLICY USES THE FEASIBLE IDEA AND SPRINKLES THE WORD FEASIBLE THROUGHOUT. WHICH MEANS IT ISN'T ABOUT WHETHER IT IS A REASONABLE STANDARD. WHAT WOULD A REASONABLE DO IN A SIMILAR SITUATION. IT IS WHAT IS FEASIBLE FOR THE OFFICER AT THAT POINT. SO I THINK THE ALLEGATIONS OR THE CONCERN FROM MS. MOORE AS WELL AS OTHER PEOPLE WHO AT THE POLICY, THAT GIVES

LOT OF WIGGLE ROOM FOR JUSTIFYING ACTIONS FROM PARTICULAR OFFICERS. SO, IF SOMETHING IS FEASIBLE, THEN IT BECOMES, YOU KNOW, IS A JUST A LOT MORE NUANCE RATHER THAN WHAT A REASONABLE OFFICER WOULD DO. I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE CONCERNS. THE OTHER THING THAT MS. MOORE BRINGS UP IS A LEGITIMATE CONCERN IS THAT THE POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD AS WELL INVESTIGATIVE ARM, WHICH IS CIVILIAN POLICE OVERSIGHT AGENCY, WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE DRAFTING OF THESE POLICIES. SO THEY WEREN'T PROVIDED AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THEM, TO COMMENT, TO GIVE SUGGESTIONS. SO IT SEEMS TO BE JUST THAT WAS CREATED WITH THE DOJ AND APD WITHOUT INPUT FROM THE CITIZENS OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE WHICH IS AN IMPORTANT BODY IS SUPPOSED TO PARTICIPATE AND REPRESENT THE PUBLIC IN A LOT THESE ISSUES. >> THE PUBLIC IS EXPECTING THE EXACT THING LAURA WAS TALKING ABOUT TO BE PART PROCESS. WE WERE TOLD WE WERE GOING PART OF THAT PROCESS. WHY IS IT PROBLEMATIC FOR THE BOARD TO NOT BE THERE IN THE

LONGER RUN? DOES IT MEAN THAT APD IS GOING TO HAVE THE FINAL SAY VERSUS PUBLIC OR JUST SORT OF NEGOTIATING HERE AND HAVE SOME WAYS TO GO. >> WE ARE TALKING AND WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE OVERHAULED AT APD, I THINK EVERYONE WOULD AGREE, IS CULTURE. THE DOCUMENT WITH TO WHAT IS FEASIBLE AT THE INSTANT IN TIME, THAT GOES TO THE BAD OLD CULTURE. THAT DOES GIVE WIGGLE ROOM. THEN, SPENDING $100,000 BOTHERING -- NOT BOTHERING TO ENGAGE THEM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY SPENT 100,000 ON, NOT BOTHERING TO ENGAGE THE OVERSIGHT BOARD ON IT, I THINK IT LOOKS BAD PERCEPTUALLY THAT THE CULTURE THAT WE'RE GOING RESPOND TO WHAT DOJ TELLS US BUT THE CULTURE ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE. >> THAT WAS MY SENSE READING AS WELL. WE CAN GIVE THEM ROOM TO PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT.

EVERY ORGANIZATION OR INSTITUTION THAT HAS BEEN CALCIFIED, IT IS HARD THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO. BUT IT SEEMS TO ME IF THE CITIZEN PART IS NOT PART PROCESS, THE WHOLE THING IS A FRAUD AT THAT POINT. >> THAT IS VERY STRONG WORD. >> YES IT IS. >> BUT I THINK THAT PART WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN HERE THIS GREATER INVOLVEMENT OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE AND TO MERRITT'S POINT, IT IS WHAT WE EXPECT. IT IS CLEARLY WHAT THE MONITOR EXPECTS AND THIS COMING ON THE HEELS OF OTHER COMPLAINTS AND ACCUSATIONS ABOUT HOW THIS PROCESS IS WORKING, IT JUST ISN'T VERY PROMISING TO SEE THAT. NOW, OKAY, SO, MAYBE THIS IS A PROCESS THAT APD HAS TO GO THROUGH, TO WORK THEIR CULTURAL PROBLEMS, ET CETERA. BUT THIS IS A COMMUNITY THAT EXPRESSED OVER TIME AND VERY CLEARLY THAT WE WANT TO SEE CHANGE HAPPEN FASTER THAN THAT THIS IS AN URGENT ISSUE US AND DICKERING OVER, WELL, THOUGHT YOU TOLD US NOT

ANYONE ELSE WHEN THE DOJ SAYS, THAT IS CLEARLY NOT THE WAY THAT WORKS. >> I AM GLAD YOU EXPANDED THAT LITTLE BIT. THAT IS PART OF THE WHOLE PROCESS THAT HASN'T BEEN GOING WELL. >> IT DOESN'T SEEM AT LEAST ON THE SURFACE, LIKE APD HAS THESE ELEMENTS AS SERIOUSLY AS WE EXPECT THEM TO. >> (INAUDIBLE). >> SHOT BY POLICE. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> THEY SHOT 40 PEOPLE. >> NO WHERE TO GO BUT UP. >> AT THE END OF THE DAY THIS LIKE A BAD EXAMPLE OF GROUND DAY, THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN. IF THEY DON'T LIKE THE CITIZEN BOARD DON'T SHUT THEM OUT, ENGAGE THEM IN AN OPEN WHAT THEY ARE AGAINST AND WHAT THEY DISAGREE WITH AND WORK IT OUT. THEY ARE JUST CREATING -- I DON'T KNOW WHY -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY. THEY ARE CREATING THIS FEAR OF SOMETHING IS BEING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND IT IS NOT GOING TO BE DONE RIGHT.

NO MATTER WHAT THE FINAL IS, THE PEOPLE OF ALBUQUERQUE ARE GOING TO SAY WE DON'T LIKE IT. IT IS BAD LEADERSHIP, BE STEPPING UP AND SAY, LET'S JUST STOP ALL OF THIS AND GET EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM AND IT'S GREAT OPPORTUNITY THE MAYOR SHOULD SAY, I WANT BRING THE CITIZEN BOARD OFFICE, THE PEOPLE, FEDERAL PEOPLE INTO MY OFFICE AND BUCK STOPS HERE. WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO MAKE IT WORK. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MORE OPPORTUNITIES THE MAYOR IS TO GET TO DO THAT. THIS IS THE GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING TO HIM, HE NEEDS FORWARD. SOMEONE HAS TO DO IT. THIS IS NOT GOING TO END GOOD FOR ALBUQUERQUE. THE FEDS ARE NOT HAPPY. CITIZENS ARE NOT HAPPY. POLICE ARE NOT HAPPY. I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY IN THIS PROCESS THAT IS STEPPING RIGHT NOW AND SAYING CONTRARY WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE THINKS, WE'RE HAPPY. THE POLICE ARE UPSET. LAWYERS ARE UPSET. GOVERNMENT IS UPSET. JUDGES ARE UPSET. NOBODY SEEMS TO BE SAYING HAPPY. I DON'T THINK THAT IS GOOD FOR THE CITIZENS. >> THAT IS ALL THE TIME FOR THIS WEEK. WE ARE GOING TO END THIS WEEKS

SHOW WITH A LOOK AT WHAT SOME THE MOST PROMISING YOUNG SCIENTISTS IN OUR STATE ARE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. WE STOPPED BY THE NEW MEXICO SCIENCE AND ENGINEERING FAIR SOCORRO LAST MONTH AND SOME STUDENTS FROM NEW MEXICO WILL HEAD TO PHOENIX NEXT WEEK FOR THE INTEL INTERNATIONAL AND ENGINEERING FAIR. >> SCIENCE FAIR PROJECTS ARE VERY CRITICAL. THEY FORCE THE STUDENT A VARIETY OF SKILLS. IT HELPS THEM LEARN HOW TO CREATE. THEY HAVE TO LEARN THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD IT PROPERLY. THE STUDENT HAS TO LEARN HOW CORRECTLY WRITE THEIR INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, WRITE RESULTS, CONCLUSIONS, SCIENTIFIC FORMAT. IN ADDITION, STUDENTS HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO PRESENT THE INFORMATION; PRESENT THEY HAVE TO HAVE A VARIETY OF SKILLS. >> FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T BEEN IN SCIENCE, I REALLY JUST GETTING IN AND TRYING IT WOULD REALLY CHANGE DOING HANDS-ON EXPERIMENTS, BECAUSE SCIENCE IS FUN. I REALLY ENJOY IT, GETTING TO

WORK WITH EVERYTHING THAT IS AROUND US, TECHNOLOGY, EVERYTHING WE USE IN DAILY LIVES. SCIENCE AFFECTS US EVERYDAY. THIS IS REALLY AWESOME. >> SCIENCE FAIR TAUGHT ME ALOT ABOUT THE ELECTRIC CHEMISTRY BEHIND SALT WATER BATTERIES HOW A BATTERY WORKS. >> IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO FAIRS IT IS HELPFUL TO HAVE A MENTOR BECAUSE IT OPENS MORE OPPORTUNITIES AND YOU CAN DO MUCH HIGHER LEVEL PROJECT. >> JUDGES JUST HELPED ME SO MUCH. THEY ARE LIKE MENTORS FOR YOU. >> JUDGES GAVE ME TIPS AND SUGGESTIONS FOR WHAT I SHOULD IN THE FUTURE. I'M TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION FOR NEXT YEAR'S PROJECT, WHICH PLAN ON PRODUCING MORE OF THIS PROJECT AND FURTHERING THE RESEARCH. I SAW A KID AT MY SCHOOL AND HE IS BLIND. I WANTED TO MAKE A WAY FOR HIM TO BASICALLY GET AROUND EASIER AND BASICALLY GLASSES THEY CAN SENSE OBJECTS IN FRONT THE ACTUALLY HELPED ME FIND I WANT TO DO IN LIFE, I WANT

PURSUE EITHER ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING OR COMPUTER ENGINEERING. NEW MEXICO TECH IS ONE OF THE COLLEGES I WOULD PREFER TO GO TO. >> I THINK SCIENCE FAIR IS A GREAT EXPERIENCE. YOU GET WAYS TO SHARE YOUR INTEREST IN RESEARCH AND ALSO, EVEN TALKING TO OTHER CONTESTANTS AND LEARNING ABOUT THEIR OWN INTERESTS AND WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. >> HAD A GREAT TIME DOING MY EXPERIMENT AND EVERYTHING. SO, I HAVE ALWAYS HAD A LOT OF FUN LEARNING AND DOING ALL THE SCIENCE. >> I HAVE NO DOUBT I'LL STAY TOUCH WITH ALL ASPECTS >> WITH MY SCIENCE FAIR AM I GOING TO KEEP WORKING ON IT. NEXT MONTH-AND-A-HALF I HAVE LEFT IN THE SCHOOL YEAR

DEVELOPING IT, TESTING NEW METHODS AND HOPEFULLY GET IT WORKING BY THE END YEAR. >> THIS PROJECT HAS BASICALLY CREATED A WHOLE DIFFERENT OUTLOOK FOR ME. I THINK THIS PROJECT HAS COME THE POINT WHERE IT IS NOT EVEN ABOUT SCIENCE FAIR ANYMORE BECAUSE IT HAS REWARDED ME SO MUCH MORE THAN THE SCIENCE COULD GIVE ME. IT IS DEFINITELY NICE TO COME ACROSS THAT KIND OF RESEARCH. >> I AM GENE GRANT. THANKS FOR JOINING US THIS FOR NEW MEXICO INFOCUS. JOIN US ONLINE TO HEAR WHAT LINE PANELISTS HAD TO SAY A NEW LAWSUIT AGAINST ONE ALBUQUERQUE RESTAURANT OVER MINIMUM WAGE VIOLATIONS. AS ALWAYS, WE APPRECIATE AND EFFORT TO STAY INFORMED ENGAGED. SEE YOU NEXT WEEK INFOCUS. FUNDING FOR NEW MEXICO INFOCUS PROVIDED BY THE MCCUNE

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