Woman; 020; Birth Control Part 2

No. We're leaving on a previous program when our guests were docked to Stamford co play Mr. Stephen Sylia. We discussed birth control for the sexually active teenager. Tonight we're going to present a contrasting viewpoint. Our guest is Dr. William Marah. Dr. Merritt has been Professor of Philosophy at Fordham for the past 18 yes. Dr. Mary there is a trend nowadays is that to give teenagers more control

more freedom of their own lives now do you think this Contro should spread to the area of sexuality. No not at all that it sounds very popular and I think the youngsters seem to think with favoring them when we the adult generation say you're on your own. We'll give you freedom but I offer this observation that a youngster who's been on Earth for 18 years may possibly look toward the older generation the parents the teachers and so on for truth for guidance for insight for values and I think it is the great mission of the parent generation and those who have the parent also entrust to the education of the children. The great mission is to expose before the youngsters crew or insights which might possibly help the youngsters in every area. And I think when it comes to sex. We have before the average young person of today we have acted as if sex is some some sort of biological drive and a

band that unfortunately gets you into trouble unless you take precautions so therefore show them what the contraceptives are and get out of my hair. And I think that's a we're shortchanging view. We have not told them anything of the mystery of sex the mystery of love the meaning of life the meaning of death. This entire context against which alone sex could be understood had been blacked out. So I don't think the youngsters of today are especially fortunate. I don't I think that they are the impoverished youngsters of today because they don't know and they haven't heard anything but to me a biological viewpoint of sex that teenagers might come back at you and say well we're not considered appendages any longer of our parents. We have the right to vote. We can be sent to war we can in certain states marry without our parents consent should we therefore not have the right to determine whether or not we have intercourse before marriage.

Well yes I like it. Since you are in a sense the teenage advocate. I like this declaration of independence on your part. But the point is that however old or young you are. Never mind that you reject your life originally depends on your parents and the state and the medical doctors and the policeman who gave you some sort of order. But I would suggest to teenagers and middle class and middle aged people alike that the entire mystery of human life ultimately depends on something called God. And what do you call there is a bit of the barest mint when people want to speak about God but I simply say we are walking this planet for 45 years someone for 18 years and we are like a mysterious apparition. We don't know our origin. We don't know our destiny. We have 60 or 70 years on this planet and that death. And there's at least a great religious tradition which tells me of the teenagers that God made you

not you yourself. And then I would suggest to the teenager before his declaration of independence completely that perhaps he is dependent upon a personal God who does have the right to tell him never mind whether to have sexual intercourse before marriage but also whether he should kill or not. Look my you are not still on that. You noticed that the teenagers allegedly make a great to do about how honest they are and they're so exercised over the hire of killing. And my point is why ought we not to kill me. Who is telling them to kill right. At least in this case they suddenly recognize a law. Hire them themselves which forbids them to kill children at me and they don't like dishonesty and phoniness so I also suggest to them that may well be a divine law. Ultimately by the way for their own benefit. Which tells them to pose that's their bodies in chastity and purity. Until they are able to donate

their secrets to someone they love in a permanent one. I see your point but in view of the reality of the situation that more teenagers today OS-X inactive than ever before. What should we do about this. Well I mean I think whether what I say or not is heard I mean I'm not going to change thing. What we are doing about it is say Go ahead go ahead but protect yourself. That's the way a big responsible I would add my lovely voice saying Have you ever thought of not going yet. Have you ever heard the word chastity and dealt with now. Have you ever thought of keeping your bodily integrity and your spiritual integrity till marriage. So meanwhile I admit that what I say is not going to change immediately but I would like to flatter the young people more than my contemporaries in the teaching generation and I would like to offer them at least the idea that there's something about sex which is a deep mystery. The very fact that a new man comes into

being through sex is very mysterious. It is much more mysterious than any electronic phenomenon or anything in chemistry or physics that you yourself teenager with all your hopes and brains are on this earth because a man and a woman united. This is a great mystery and I would offer it to the youngster this ideal of purity premarital chastity if at least I would say this that if a man fall at least let him understand that it's a tragic thing. A said all thing that he's squandering himself. But nowadays we have this kind of pseudo scientific object the view of things or what we scientists now know where babies come from. As if it took science to tell us this and we're going to equip the youngsters with with what they need to prevent this nasty thing called pregnancy. But not a word. About the deep experience of sex not a word about the way of sex drugs.

Unfortunately many of these teenagers are not willing to accept this ideal in view of the fact that something like 50 percent of the girls who reach 19 have already had intercourse. What would you advise I mean is there any group of people that you would I'm talking about teenagers advise birth control for no. Well as I say that I know I don't advise it. The only reason someone would propose it would be that we know their logic is that for heaven's sake we know they're going to get have intercourse we know that if they don't pay protection they'll get pregnant. So pregnancy is the worst thing in the world therefore to avoid the pregnancy let's use contraception. And in the narrow framework I could even understand that if you are so hopeless about the younger generation that you despair of ever teaching them self control. Why I imagine it's better to commit the lesser said of contraception than to allow illegitimacy and probably abortion which to me is unspeakable. People far worse than

contraception but I would worry about this however. You know even a few years ago those who were pushing for contraception they simply wanted to write that anyone who wanted a contraceptive could go to the drugstore get it and as you know in Connecticut there was a law against contraception which had to be repealed by a Supreme Court either. But nowadays we seem to think not only do we need the right to have contraception but we should have massive government and massive government promulgation. So we're telling the youngsters go ahead we know you'll go ahead there's no hope that you won't go ahead. We even want you to go ahead but be responsible and I think this is a wretched utilitarian and impractical view Simberg percent of the population has this view that doesn't say a prayer in the president's commission on population control took a poll and this was in actual fact the finding now that they wanted public funding public grounds to enable researchers to go ahead and research

from the safe contraceptive methods so the teenagers and they were primarily talking about teenagers should have the facilities. Yes you know but not at all impressed. I'm not saying by polls the polls are probably accurate but. I'm not impressed by anything so magical as the will of the people that I am not at all persuaded that everything the people want is good because I think I could make a good case out for the fact that for example in the south 80 percent of the Southerners wanted segregation and Jim Crow but that didn't prevent us from fighting for what is right and what is just so true. If you tell me 70 percent of the adults want these brats of that was to take protection I simply say well maybe these adults need a little education and spirituality and I think it's an abomination that the government which ought to stand for what is right and what is just which has the majesty of law allegedly within its competence that the government turned out to be

nothing more than a kind of him distributing the prophylactic before the boys go on leave. Do you think that if less control were withheld the moral climate of the country would improve. I don't know if merely withholding it now we would have to have some sort of an evangelization. But you see what we're doing that and I notice you have an English accent so presume to acquaint you with a Malcolm Muggeridge if you know him. Right now he was rector of a college in Scotland I believe and one of the youngsters in that college demanded contraceptives. He resigned as rector of the college and given the beautiful speech about responsibility and about. Purity and he is not an especially religious man but he's an honorable intelligent man. What we're doing with this contraception phase where telling people to avoid the consequences of their own action. It's as if we have people who want to shooting guns and then we finally say

well let's put rubber bullets in that. The youngsters are going to shoot anyhow but instead of killing the neighbor Let's put rubber bullets in. So this craves for instead of solving the problem of promiscuity and permissiveness we simply want to try to avoid the final step by contraception. And I say you're short changing the youngsters they then they're not happy. I have been with young people all my life and I'm not even all that old. And. I have never seen such an unhappy group as the freshman in college and sophomores on that picture. And of course they have the world at the footstep they've been flattered to death that they are the law that nobody's going to tell the bell shall go thou shalt not. They have never been told the word and they've never been brought into the mystery of life. And I don't know what they're doing with this newfound permissiveness. They're certainly not happy. Now what do you what do you think about these new laws where a teenager can go

regardless of whether or not his parent gets the consent. And yet that's control. Yes. Never mind that also now on abortion. My big field by the way is not necessarily this question of contraception and teenagers I've been very worried about the sex education programs which are being massively introduced into America. But even in the Procureur schools and I know that the end result whether it's sex education or of these new laws permitting surgery and an abortion without apparent prevention the end result is simply that to push the or to pull the child. Away from the family unit and this seems to be very wonderful toward the child. But I say when you destroy the intimacy of the family when you act as if mom and dad are stupid idiots who don't need to know when even should know what you and your sister doing. I say you quickly destroy the one stable building block of the society because as bad as mom and dad

may be in an individual case we all turn to the Big Brother and I'd much rather have mom and dad who at least they have a bond of love for me than some professional child worker who's got her Ph.D. in how to keep a job. The happy. News that an expert on sex education you've lectured in what 27 states right now not so sure now three Canadian provinces and I don't know. What do you think of the idea though of sex education being taught in the schools in conjunction with parents educating the children along these lines because presumably parents do have the primary influence on educating the children in this area and what they says he's got to say is going to have the last effect. Now if it's well done in the schools do you think this will just you know I had no objection to them when sex education merely meant a serious biology including human reproduction I had never any objection to that nor simple if it meant a half hour film on menstruation or even if people were

just a half hour film on the day. But as you know the typical sex education curriculum begins in kindergarten and then to signal your high school 30 years. I simply like to know how long to get me to tell the people the facts of life. So what they're really trying to do is not merely give the youngsters the knowledge that might be necessary for the story but their indoctrination of the youngsters into a flat pseudoscientific. Anti birth abortion mentality and by the way not in conjunction with parent but sometimes without the parents and often without the parents consent that there are hundreds of thousands that are outraged parents who simply have no political vehicle whereby to vent their outrage because if they pull the trial out of one school the other school is just as bad. So because there is a kind of monopoly of the school system whether public or Procul those paradigm I saw it I was a boy

disenfranchised well in ideal times of course sex education should be taught at home but very very often parents feel uncomfortable with discussing this this topic with their children. They also feel that their repressive sort of upbringing in this area on their own impishness stopped them from doing a thorough and complete job. Now in these sort of instances what is a child to do. What are the alternatives. Well I say that I grant that a youngster ought to know it and it would certainly be ideal that his knowledge come from those who are most intimately concerned with him namely of parents but a default of that I would have no objection to say counsellor. When I went to high school there was an individual counselor but it was always done privately one to one and it wasn't dragged out for 12 years and they didn't have the graphic slides of models and demonstrations and discussions there was a kind of hush reverence. Indicated to the young person that we are dealing with something which is not like the rest magickal history but it involves the basics of human life it is a great mystery whether you

believe in this whole reality the structure of them and the reality of birth of the reality of nakedness. Revealing oneself to another so that in my way which is not at all a utopian ideal. A single counsellor whom the parish press talks to maybe gives him something to read and that's it. But we don't make a cult. We don't have graduate courses and we don't build up a multimillion dollar empire of trading. And when would you advocated being incorporated perhaps into different classes such as biology hygiene physiology and that's the new pitch but you see then they become sex obsessed. If it were that in a given right moment a certain correct allusion is made to sex a picture of literature which by the way I wish they taught all of that and and your teaching. Tolstoy is the resurrection the resurrect a beautiful novel which very few people

know. It concerns a man who has seduced a woman with him. I would have no objection to a bit of clarification for people what the doctrine is but you don't have to give a diagram that none of the nine kinds of abduction. So but you see what your question is certainly asked in good faith with those people who want to integrate Sex and the curriculum. I go toward such good faith. They have a kind of sex session. They are pro idea. Besides they can't even think of a respirator without sexing it up. What do you think this is going to add to that rather increased promiscuity. It certainly has that you know that for all the heartfelt moaning about how these youngsters need sex to be better youngsters. It turned out wherever they've introduced it promiscuity rises and surprisingly enough even venereal disease you would at least think that in the case of VD where information would suffice. But all the sex ed would help but I'm absolutely certain that it's week where they've had sex education for 23

years than erial disease is now considered pandemic and the the royal surgeon they gave the government to do something about. Now that after 23 years of that dated back to the place did the trouble with us is not that we were in for a nation but that we like we have been coddled no one has told us about the challenge of life and the meaning of life and the truth of the mystery of birth and death. We are a pagan three without much culture there and the children are paying the price. Pet bird in one respect. Terrible before the other. Here is seven psychologists specially specializing in adolescent problem such as Dr. Calvin Broderick insist that sex is not of that much interest to a teenager without the complete picture of love and intimacy and promiscuity is not the result of these changes in sexual mores. The increase in premarital sex is primarily amongst

people who are going steady. All people who are engaged more than what do you say to this so in other words we have a lot of explosive that's productive Rodriguez I'd rather they have sex but I wish I could see people in love I really mean it but I have a young heart. Have something of the poet and maybe I would understand even though in my ethical view if you had intercourse outside of marriage it's always more or less said. But at least intercourse in a love situation represents a deep meaningful experience. But I would say from cursory observation that the typical intercourse is so boring to people I mean that's why I think we have such a right and perversion. But the normal intercourse is something like taking your of your morning cigarette with coffee. Now they're rather casual about the culture no. And then they bring the girls into the dorm and there's none of this earth shaking or at least the poetry of the South

donation. But they are not just in the suburbs as my great teacher Victor Hildebrand said. We cannot flatter ourselves that ours is the oversexed generation we actually know when it comes to an appreciation even of the charm of such that every gypsy every Don Juan appreciate expects better than this board laboratory do which it being cultivated precisely by this man show up among the so-called scientific community. Talk about the scientific community how do you interpret the fact that all of the major medical organizations such as the I and they and and so on have come out in favor of giving teenagers bass control sex to be active. Yes first of all I am in no way impressed by the FEMA that also came out in favor of abortion and I think that that I interpret this as saying that therefore the medical profession is quickly on its way to being correct it barly corrupt morally degenerate. I also say that it is no secret why these major

organizations are pushing contraception because people like Dr. Mary Calderon have a entree into these organizations they don't bother speaking to mothers on a picnic. They go to the top convention of the nurses the PTA the A.M.A. and they convince these poor harassed doctors that the kids absolutely need it and the doctors I guess so because the doctor is no more expert at this problem of moral problems QAD than as a janitor but he at least sees the result of it. He probably says OK I guess so but he never bothers asking whether there's any evidence that contraception cuts down promise illegitimacy cuts down unfortunately instances of the wealthy. Do you think there's any correlation between premarital sex and infidelity and marriage. It no doubt is this that I would want to I was asking myself once is there a problem of overpopulation in there Probably yes in certain areas. And

I said what would happen if everyone had sex only in marriage and everyone married for love. I think we have to import people from bars. In other words I doubt very strong way whether all to all too many marriages that have an element of love in them. This could begin fascination name it some some girl might be afraid of being lonely. And obviously as the French say without benefit of sociology without love leads to love without marriage and that says it all. You don't need all these researchers saying 87 percent of the cases when the wife is in love she looks for the milk that is I say sir no rule of thumb. Laws are rules that you can apply the rule of thumb is that if we had marriage for love that before us said the devil. And that love is the casualty don't kid yourself they talk they have all kinds of speeches they make these tapes with floods which are so inartistic about what but I mean this touching thing which you

find did Dr. Zhivago between Laura and Dr. Zhivago this touching thing which you find Shakespeare in all the great literature of the world. I would say is nonexistent in the typical sophisticated pseudo scientific mentality. In view of the high rate of divorce amongst teenage marriages I presume you would not advocate trial marriage but what are what do you think about a modified version of this. You know my modified version is called engagement. It's an old institution and you told the youngster go out go on a date dance play gay sports and so on but retain your physical integrity there's nothing superstitious about this that your nakedness and your sexual time of yourself donation self-revelation and they should be reserved for your spouse not for every truck driver or every roommate that you happen to bring into the dark. What do you think about the literature that's on the market these days all these

how to do it manually sell sex instructions on using these have an effect on kids. Yes I think and I think that if for the most part phone needs a purpose we've done good and we ought to sweep if we scrap the whole thing away. And first of all the mere fact of Saxo as if you have to instruct in the techniques of search I mean they act as if this is the great thing that I read somewhere that said if I teach a kid how to putt that we have to figure out all the books are technique. So if we swept the ball away and gave them a little book even Persian poetry or a few good love story the teenagers would be better off that big saturated with this had this reputation and tedium and ultimately it lead to tedium and boredom. But this whole trend pervades to movies and as I stay away from the movies and you don't have a television I don't know. I don't want my children to be disadvantaged.

Can we just go back to to sex education one more time. Would you at all advocate doctors perhaps gynecologists giving courses in the schools and health classes. Oh no I would say What are they going to teach that if it if it's the mere facts of life that Junior wants to know how come he's on this earth how come mother keep bringing home a brother. Well the mere facts of life don't require a gynecologist to speak write and read what anyone can do and I keep trying to tell parents that if you are a wife and a mother you are an expert when it comes to this. When it comes to the meaning of love or that that's a different problem literature should teach that religion might teach that human relations course might teach that you need a gynaecologist for for certain problems of pregnancy. But if I don't when I'm teaching someone how to say for example I don't bring it across a throat specialist and say you know the time to live this way and all that but just illustrating if you have a strep throat she goes to the doctor. So to the average woman doesn't have to know every fiber of every little thing she

has to know what she needs to know to be a wife and mother. Is there any remote problem. Get a check where you get everything else. But there should be some kind of a happy medium shouldn't the between total ignorance and too too much information in a poll was conducted and why I don't get it you know we just showed that 60 percent do you know I school girls in New York State did not know when they all viewed it. Anyone knows what she said. I don't mean the time. Well well let's say that this bit of knowledge which by the way is useful only for those practicing the rhythm to be sure you can put that on the post. Thank you very much. We'll be back again next week. Join us then. Goodnight from. Or.