A Word on Words; 1035; Kaye Gibbons Dunne

were there others this week jay gibbons talks about the charms for the bureau's four or downwards mr john c give our chairman of the freedom first amendment center at vanderbilt university and welcome to world war and i would add back an old friend kate evans she's written four books in five or six years and we had a heroic almost every time you unpublished on that's almost your book is about to crack the top ten on the bestsellers sits twelve well actually that sounds like either now and if you'd like to say it's la our tank that well it's so first tamara thank you know that's a good sign this book a chance for the easy life

clarissa charlie kate your grandmother owned begin by paying you what i think is a hack i read about charlie kate and sophia your grandmother and your mother and i thought you were writing about you know i you got it right but an image became embedded in my mind that this is kay's grandmother and mother of the writing as she narrates as marty merits was so much you that i found myself thinking of kay's grandmother and mother now there came a time when margaret's own life began to emerge as an adult

in the hospital and i know it wasn't you because mr out in and out no i just i've imagery invaded by a no longer thought the martyrdom today and no longer thought of you as marek i don't know if that means the writing was less compelling on whether you're well it's just my own sense of your persona but but something happened in my mind is over the book that is that me before that the writer really was writing fiction them out too it's always weird character driven moment to moment are wallace heard that he didn't change your mind at that because the right now has less compelling so let's let's get rid of that and because you said that it then narrator same day grow up or become an adult come in and will become a one and when she took the job at the hospital and i feel like during the process of writing this book i became an adult

this book was written during a town of intense when bizarre table in your life were made to california for a biblical forty days and forty nights to forest yes i would have come back earlier it is the alcohol yes i would've come back earlier some people think i did it for the biblical forty days simple is because it sounds good and southerners like it when things are good but i needed the thirty day advance purchase a non airline tickets to fly us that sounds really there for ten days and the rest of the time i was just waiting for a good deal and this brought shame urges as a one in a nashville that added to have a name like that clearly had nothing to do with riding there's any way less compelling well let me talk a little bit about the first word character

clarissa who insisted on being culturally gay who was a midwife and more than a midwife who was a medical doctor without having a medical degree to curate an eu and ann and say them and provide a good deal of wisdom and raise a lot of halal a process where does she come from i think it's a place isn't i haven't decided which place the first place but i got her from a from where i gather was not maternal grandmother using a plastic personality of the nepalese are lots in fiction she made it appear says then the main grandmother and alan boston fourteen she had thirteen straight can i could use that but she was on set a southern eccentric she ain't and came from all good old southern stock in good shape bounds good lines and could look at someone and tell if they were well born she was a lady at the peter taylor novel that

our side she made by slice it in her backyard and she would try back and forth from her house to get out building making site and she was spared and she had a magical patients and insurers for instance when i was eight i had chicken pox and she can dance made that as you could on an old army jacket and be locked up in her chicken cage it was a remote irani out and she got a tobacco stake in baden decided to start taking shape and she put a sticker it to lock the door and it's this same to go on or dies and when i came out today as lerro was skewered of course of a scare chicken pox don't hang around that line she took credit but charlie kate is a real dealer yes yes i mean it

becomes a time when one night when the mother charlotte a snot comes to her and says are hurt my husband and i want you there in that i want to use the medicine the new and then she want him as you all know it's she says not me i'm on the deal and she says i can i can say it but i cannot night i can make them well but i won't like and so a woman and said i have to find some ways to give her some humanity as a way of running and a kicker and other plans she comes from is and she is to mate as sgt close an approximation allen foster as i can find she's what i had known past returns insane and someone who knows me better than i know myself which is not a big threat that still it has occurred said three women with three splendors of my personality and there's not the narrator who is quiet end intellectually driven

and has not quite sure of herself and about every other buyers than like that and then there's something else his dying and passionate and very worried about what the world thinks of her especially the male population and my dad more often an outlet sank and then there's the grandmother hey says what she says thanks in is convinced that she's always write an island that like a salve blowout i like your that were alive and soft lime the personality and his work and i'm starting another one ran away they can and making it where people to cover i was annoyed about women and silly that's exactly why they dive bombing you know you treat women as such occurs in this book i mean first of all the first call your grandmother's a forebear of the

ferryboat you taken away from his job and make him a gopher for a blacksmith we have now been since leaving that job is his ticket it was his responsibility and man made decisions that are what they believe to be a natural consequences of that action taken upon them by one segment go about reacting and then they get paid back for a woman there's a scene where you take your father mandy's and bid snoozing snoring star is snoozing and snort your mother goes to his pants finds his wedding ring in the pathway came up out of a sound sleep not quite wakes him up as wise is not on your left wing thing and why did he sat there are he's giving his senate hasn't returned swelling are feeling that means that i'm so what should happen here and i thought he should stop a newsroom well there was a bachelor at the tribunal or from cerebral hemorrhage an outside bombing and in me and kill anyone on da da da da

this time being accused of killing men say i had died command and do it and then the wife refuses to believe that he died of anything other than in ground selfishness charlie kate's husband your grandfather left us came back and she wrote that she wrote when she served as she has the money for their part or she was a woman of means or so been like charlie played in indiana i mean she's a very well to do yes she hasn't woman she used the money to bat literature except for thomas wolfe and she then they can ride thanks for getting my father you say will fall as a lark and i get a feeling using thought was a line that came from raiding likely the blotter latter day a father as well as the client works for con father and learning about the perception that counts for cities it's had a father will bring us a memoir

now when neither but the perception that people in oxford had about the stories that he told being so complicated and sad impenetrable and i love father i define something's hard to get that that literature this one of the hallmarks is that it's not there on the surface that we have to date daughters one of my very favorite writers of our time but the boys from oxford to i'm gabriel garcia marquez and peter taylor and i think that so a woman from oxford made the comment that she had never heard of the art with the top county jefferson none of these places father was riding back and she couldn't understand fiction she thought it is writing about what he caused mississippi places need a car spun something a nap and she was put out there that was not silent i had the feeling that an awful lot of people saw themselves and somewhat he wrote and that put them out or us beyond

redemption and what about you to people in need and where you come from see themselves in your books mirren particularly and you know about oh boy is that broadcast in north carolina state do the bare nuts i wouldn't say themselves in my work because i don't write about any any body that's real it's not based on reality whatsoever and there's not a man in north carolina i would not like the city at night that there's not a man in north carolina he is in this box and i don't know the idea of that be brought up the pointed out riders having to explain why this fiction how much of this is true and how not true as much a home the other day a gentleman came up to me and he said i have read this transfer the easy life and i would just have each night that there are no

rapid song pass the tank river and i can't i told him that i knew that in but i needed for there to be wracked that's on the river and because i was a writer i could put in there for one of them and he thought that that was not a christian of maine it had lied about the landscape i said early on maybe i'm a loan to go back to truncate for a moment and i said that in some ways ms schuler she was weird and in some ways the mother was weird i suppose her take new mothers taking up a list of names quite a character was so natural evolution a woman like man whose husband and a traitor and then dyed it took her a while to get over right when she

met mostly by and i saw her it was so weird relationship is the last that long can they like to get in i loved it again you know pointless debate i thought finally i found a man who liked and then just before it's gonna marry him up your mother and your grandmother find out there's another one walking around and that his first wife has come to tell us and they punish him so no wall at what it should have talent are that she was coming or you should look at to create a nice man who doesn't do anything but nice things my goodness the rains gong all and being a nice guy order you did that to a new creative it she i needed to that there was an ex wife and my life i needed an issue up cause i wanted to

limit argument they've lived some people had to come in to them as a man and as for them tom is live in the mad him so much and that i made his mother on a fellow i met his mother they mail political the columnist and the forties which she would have been quite a lady and had a quite an exception to us and apple has admitted the mail comes and i married bin laden that wonderful neighborhood at home right down the street from your friend frank daniels in a poem in a lovely home and i started writing about that house and fell in love with it and because i can imagine what it looked like inside somebody's class way just so you can really see how art imitates life and it's a good man thomas yes now starting in a new book and i'm sorry that he's not a good man you know

you bring tom and there isn't a man an artisan and i want a nine and something like live fire in the end he and he's not here so will one of lucifer bubba dudley given the corps yes in that there is some good meal and an eye just had this not so hot experiences not everybody can be robert kennedy and franklin roosevelt made illegal back to europe run loan from and i said she was weird an unruly and talk about the circumstances that runaway and her life i mean here's a woman whose sister she hadley the county goes as committed suicide yes sister lost her child who was under own supply and stuff like light and then when the child died her husband will not lay down room hacks and skills enhance a good man amanda the time and that i knew him and then on them unknowingly set our

young away from us ma and who could be that moved by grief for a baby who died to go out and and end his life is america's economy in a new book lust a parapet most know he lasted about a half page of classes along paris jean jacques who is that hacking areas have the virtues one is a third man who is in the south you know what we say when we mean when we say he drank some level some level that's why it is not a heroic figure no idea let's just ask about the comedian is that your grandmother's sister camille year after her husband and dies for summer with theodore roosevelt vs writes love letters from the present to herself try

i couldn't think of any more of a pathetic way to something a right then to hear him to have him write him back sang and then she was not you know she was similar to right she was not i don't know if i can say she's not a bright person that she was moderately illiterate and then for her to have this life going on it was it was very sad for may and her twin sister who's the main character the book could not bear to play in the place and she's the sun and kind of husband and live and so she said great candidate harm you also take your of your run to be expected shot at the yankees' well you say that this is margaret talk to time maybe is that as you said there was that there was an exchange and margaret is explaining it to us

as i remember and then she says you know i'm a southerner talks to a song about the personal thing is yes she was asking the boy if he was very bright boy in the hospital he had never learned to raid and she says honey what if you'd like to learn i can help you in and she says unfriend ses that keepin on the southerners can talk to each other like this as long as they don't do it in its condescending manner but if he had heard the slightest yankee accent and the voice he would have told me what to do with the sale and they asked for and use it again and southerners always that that i still detecting the source and paranoia when i go about the country when i open them out there reception from something a not too well informed people that because i sat on this side like this i must not be too bright in an orange and actually had someone say that to me when

an accent she ate and now as when i want to be ann foster are charlie play originally brought out that i can't because i'm a sudden gotten either side a bank ceo you can rip the throat that mean whoever says they're never going to live a suggestion about that it didn't wind up in the new book wonder i didn't they not only have known that totally gone out to be castrated one to operate course is just to talk about them behind their backs which if a seven one and can deal with any other why that was on television with john singleton talks about a lot of it so i go there and let's talk about let's talk about we thought that charlie caitlin let's talk for a moment about another bad man a medical doctor she undid us and i know that because he was a man that he was the man who was but he was a man who happened to be bad in and he was

so firmly established in the community in the medical community and i'm sure he will be did some very good things that he treated people at his convenience and after charlie take ten dollars when she came and tehran to stay out of the swag and it and she was she was treating people here are very popular and you say he thought that because she was coming in from the sticks that she would be so grateful for that ten dollars that she wouldn't take the money and go from strength that she is one and if names and so that only encouraged her and i hadn't drank a little thing if you need have no medical malpractice gone on it's always good if they drink in the you have a new survey among early on to the perfect man charlie another kind of automatic and screen comes back

practices in the end he and i didn't forget about this at a polaris william tell was he was a nice man delayed in the book but what what was wrong and they like anything nothing i mean it really is i don't know who he's modeled after but he's a wonderful man a wonderful doctor a great humanitarian and a great friend of the market in our family is not all actor act i'm getting married this summer he's he is said i needed a personality so i took that nothing and size and slapped down ciao snyder with edible or so overdue i had been an and i needed a personality so i took it out procreated at least that yes they can get married because he was so much younger then she'll and then she was i'm actually work now charlie another comes back into town heat you really sell them is charlie case

over and he rejected the idea of marrying so to try to widen since he was a nice guy when i look them up early or sophie's life would've been much happier if she had married charlie another as opposed to that man in your shoes you get married that day she married a sharply when she could have had a hand and i i thought the lionheart about that and i thought about how many times in life i had been introduced to someone at another person and said this man will be perfectly and we may not like each other but as last year that that's set in this time but thank you have it have been wonderful life and that's the way the war it was a simple issue of the chemistry not being there and i didn't need to have any reasons that i usually put in votes for the reasons people don't get together and so many times it has to do with socioeconomic excluded

when you cut charlie matter of sophie's life or when sophia did you know he was gonna come back later in the book isn't it yes because i had written that more cars and as a matter fact i made him the administrator of the veteran hospital and i'm a pen name or less beholden to a trial i can't because she synonyms go in and i wanted to show the greater how he turned out and then i'll what i can write him in as a young child it has been said that selling writers and i guess it's a dying breed and mature young so this is not going be dead for a long time huge symbolism make points and that they do it intentionally in some summers worked as an intern i thought oh as soon the book

margaret curling up with the fever did grandmother waiting to be found with a case of intended symbolism of some sort would have this aliveness maintain band i guess i wanted to create an essay nan aron of tranquility and b eno wanted to shadow whenever there was a death the grandmother did what my family always day which was to hang there and an heiress and picture frames for the cradle with a towel with anything and stop clock so that that and in we would hang pictures time so these spirits would get caught in them and stop the clock to fix the time of death and the body had to be carried out to have speak first night at first and so she bears are those rituals that our life she has seen her grandmother day ann margret at about twenty five years are as always look at them as symbols and they've met nothing to

harm they just symbols in a nice ritual and like the why not going to a family reunion is something nice i did my family but for the older people it is something to me and it's a way of connecting that with past said that's what i wanted to have that come full circle at their land they did come full circle with the next book in half or into an aria it is an app and a salad and asked him five years with the promise that there be plenty more where that came from a little place is a little money playing all packages and nine the play will pages and i don't know what happens on how age and that's worrisome failing and when i spoke to her server i got to go home and figure that out this is so much more fun and figuring out you joined us i was so when did it i know it here others cried about it and and she said in an

earlier interview for the interview they're unhappy and grouse a but when the cameras turned their sweet and ready to hop that merchandise and do that at any why hello take you to finish this book ten pages will become two fifty an hour here because the store has been incubating for a very long time and it's i think it's going to start going the way alan foster get i don't know where that i feel one of their selling foster's coming out to it took six weeks to write you feel driven to keep it a secret applaud a well i dont know things are i don't have a plot there's the big thing that happens in this book is set up oh one and is now a physically abusive relationship and it's how she got herself together and she's not a typical victim

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