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delving into the world of books and their authors this week alvarez's eagle rare man who lost the presidency you're forward and words mr johnson chairman of the freedom forum's first amendment center in the ladies and gentlemen once again welcome to word on words sitting with a delve into history they be talking to an author can primarily as a businessman he writes or because he loved writing and goes he loves history of our goldberg welcome to world where like you put a barrier it's great pleasure having and it's and it's it's i really enjoyed reading your book a man who lost the presidency i it's a novel it's a novel approach to a history tells me a lot of the people who were even more obscure most of them and people who've been vice president have the winning bidders men like you and write a book about movies offer so i tell people i'm a general contract

ran a route associate with looters begin with it i first got that if this book by kidnapping sixty lately after the kennedy nixon election and kennedy was holding a press conference the day after and he was asked what about vice president nixon who had that and this was before watergate was regarded problem probably his most outstanding bout president history and can be set back and read what about president nixon always race well run which i'm on the future not as awake with politically get rid of next day but i started checking footnotes in american history books and found that villagers where two worlds an american history and others thought they deserved better want some new nixon very very well as a politician you select the open little town the administration ended in chat an incredibly and even some losers who remain ruined by some income and present but you're right these loses particularly didn't fare very well and on i'm fascinated by how much i learned i

mean just to begin with one john c fremont that has the name margaret almost a pathfinder it's almost than a footnote in history had he been elected and not a very good politician not a very good campaigner really hadn't been elected he would have been as far as we know the only illegitimate president his scripts bastard eight call of arsonists of service of our preferences because that issue came up came up an ad campaign on during the campaign as you tell it is his son his mother was a young woman attractive arranged marriage by amanda server george washington's better and he was a very outwardly and they just nodded along and peyton manning for long migrated to the united states and to asian women marry reason they did

we had a very torrid love affair and schoeffler lowe that's correct to say after arriving in the actor returned the revolutionary war officer died and that you're a journalist but the vermont the tea was added news twenty five did the reaction was a legitimate the only candidate that i found that was the cause that issue on election berman election i don't think you have elected a wide aids i'm at all that there were you say i don't know because of that issue of the republican party was just knew but what vermont did was give the republicans a basis for future victory only four years later abraham lincoln was left was elected well you in some ways is very racist campaign is there was a slogan that the democrats used to be its fremont his city was first for boaters so for him

niggers free elections and fremont personally mother's that's right he actually had been invited to come and undemocratic said when he ran for the senate and the democrats or because he was from south carolina and had some connections to thomas harvey it's been an examination <unk> andrew jackson that it might be racist and he'd just were turned out he was when first senators from california over we would serve for first tore through nebraska to the island and the subdivision was well he's southern so he must support slavery so we won him as i can be and of course he went for the republican turnout he would he was very violently opposed to slavery and even after lincoln was elected and the war between states began and he was one of the major general he issued an emancipation proclamation making sixty one which really set up separate lincoln who thought that are just delivered to political free arabs as a fan those are who was

a winner and last the image i guess i admire as much from his treason by his sound to her fascinating man who was great never split their respective supporting the presence in preserving as will yes that's right steve he really won the presidency and made a variety was wrong is a broad that's right republicans honorably over leadership approved for the new returns of all three ninth symphony and well he had been a protege not a mini van buren no really it started as early work under them burn in the light or wrong it was very close and both racial singer but is saying well that's the end and the man is a campaign against the then he managed the campaign against the ulysses s grant of forcing more attention was a zipper that you mentioned ben berman he did early in his crude replica what's and so forth for them

it was written a lot of area and then he comes on to the to the same man is very popular you reform candidate for years he saw a boss tweed in new york boss tweed years probably the most corrupt and ritual in american political history of cornell's new york city that was close close to a quarter billion dollars in the opposing fourteen at an end tillman is recreated expose this and that's what proponents on to the national political stage and he was a corporation lawyer who made a fortune millions it would take stock as a railroad was getting into trouble he was the greatest road warrior and than gun and other corporations but then he came to each came out as of as reform candidate and an twenty one twenty one the campaign having built strong ties inside the party he was a very popular again and clearly won the popular vote have a honey four electoral votes and

ian eighty five because there had been some bumps didn't know twenty twenty electoral votes in contest bradley graham himself who's who dispatched our sherman to the south to infect sleep that the cause was was my family welcomes anyone strongly felt that the election in one two year and at one time there was some talk even of a minority being led by another unsuccessful candidate when winfield scott hancock fortune washington but till then his great credit did not want to sleep more civil unrest after the war between states which just was eleven years before images and an editor of the a's became president goes and not just because the votes were stolen this player but also because children in deciding to negotiate i was party to create or a commission like

decision making body and unfortunately one of his numbers led by revival this was the deal work but republicans were going to be chosen for the senate from democrats from the house and and no problem with family the us supreme court and that war i believe five republicans so two democrats and one independent never i thought independently selected but he resigned in the remote than the republicans led off to never vote accountable republican went republican and so he lived sony and so an election for the presidency was stolen anna wintour became a loser for now who among among those from the early days the country strikes you as the most personally i think the most fascinating from the record was set of individuals to work working for women when he was governor of new revenue or father of the erie canal copeland's ditch the altar of the pokemon to the

constitution and even in his early days when he was all twenty years of age he was the democratic republican person who was running answers to the federalist papers he was against john jay and people that caliper at age twenty eight and founded bellevue hospital and he was mayor of new work for years and years just grow announced and personal becomes scarce and thought that look when we said he thought the president ought to be the most honest and a person in the country be babysitting for the work when you're there are two candidates who were religious in the clay and when we turn around if there any more three down with thomas well the number of pecans you know some of this was used them since eugene debs of three terms of woman the minority party candidates lost

retired major goals or my departed cancer last three turn inside and reclaim it great mistake of antagonizing andrew jackson and john said they're away and then in a new will it's called crow bar or it just recently had on this program robert renee who is that one of the greatest authors in the country right side of song ended one of the most marvelous jobs and research the most honest and wonderfully average rate recently on in that i know own jackson jr was his book on clay which is just out this year is well worth your attention as i thought it was not too long ago but less than briefly about plainclothes because once he he ran the first time annie ran surprising third fourth or for the money or the law end and jackson ran second and john adams but jackson won the popular vote and the vote is in doubt goes to the house of the house lawyers speaker workplaces the clouds and dan

quayle is a line of your story exactly right then and it was call a corrupt bargain <unk> thought that he delivered votes to adams and as a result of that as was already deliver the votes that it's thought that he'd sold out his own state new state legislature head indoors and jackson presence of jackson was denied the president in that for a lot less in a play with your advantage and though we're jackson i'm a really big game are nominated but as a legislator for the nineteen twenty eight election and worn and i think of many opposed to korea making thirty two dairy to play let them think he had recovered having that image of course going to shoot corey early in his career corey had been against national by as timon longer supported that jackson was against it quite thought jackson had the great political story but and i found out there for

women even after jackson was out of office and eighteen forty four james k polk james k polk also contains a protege of an injection or a dragon and this is when john tower was just come out of office rather run again the andrew jackson uses and is enforced keep power from running but he just he he eagerly cooperate with every day and the polls three opponents of jackson nineteen twenty four it said nasty things about rachel and jack's never forgot the now forgotten and he blamed clay for that he thought that the editor who do the research and they expose a about and what was obvious things marriage jackson what we didn't know about air well so that's one of the three times as we might as well we're our own freedom loses we've just rises to the boy wonder the boy wonder oh boy art

at age twenty decided that he would be president and sixteen years later he was nominated for the first time that a good politician but clearly of touch with the american people a populist and he was running a tangible and prospered it was rampant and then the us citizen gets international expansion mode and he really was a pop was more of a never in person and you just did not catch the failing to report that his support was largely in the south no it was not just about the day in nineteenth century the beginning of the twenty seven eu and ninety six and then in eighty nine six in in nineteen hundred and then get at the religion course in that you know it is la and was so the most to be in the wi martin of example that morsi's iran and it's remarkable that and that the party continued to go back to work he has had a sort of last

days effort ended in june nineteen sixty and the two losses made it impossible for him by taking seriously amazingly brian came back eight years after his second the fleet and captured that captured that can then she was for purely a politician and ninety he was just concerned with that idea become frozen and this at that he was that you know there are great order the very disordered this time and in a time when that was considered it a great asset for any form for sure the reader otherwise but the ten states and came along we had television and we have a lot more manipulation and stevens it was a much harder no doubt i mean u m e is one of the lecture i mean and then in a classroom you'd been terrific it would be a compromise that i was i wonder if i wanted you i wonder how brian was

welfare in an electronic age well if his voice says as great as some people who are not competent all male critic he was almost suspect that he would still have a minute isn't that a great power out you know in this country we still look upon public speaking john kennedy's legacy and a lot of like that bill clinton has said that it will deter but it will be as the fastest ways to politician you said that the bomb was great politician and i think that'd be great politician that age you had to be a great orator you might get water and and then an n the president without being inaudible you know i'm a great audition you had sway people had the power or tory lady in a totally different way was a great once was as reporter but

douglas arizona say winds was much art i would like talk about love stephen douglas men who might've been present some world the year jacket of the book you raise a question or perhaps in the promotional material when soul ever heard haddad added to come out that the election of that you got out of that eighteen to come out different what's the time leon good question was was a compromiser he believed in the theory of popular sovereignty he was a north unlike most of the democratic candidates a of the nineteenth century he was told seven views he could tolerate slavery and he also had the ability to compromise which is a great political skill in a lot of cases and so that was may have been able to avoid the war although i'm a person i think there was no outcomes leverage the work the south was not really given up but many may have stalled the war for some protests

you had to make choices and this will solve those who had to leave out he clearly you couldn't include one is who loses a major afford for example the terrible george bush won't be in your jewish family car ride about it finally came walking how you do finally concluded that i was born just with them either party candidates because none of the other candidates have had told that much of impact on my own in a kicker election ross perot for example in this election one called fighting to the single popular vote observe vote with that is not save these people cannot impose election but i just didn't think they should be in the books or didn't quote sure when you made and you determined determined that you wouldn't go third party candidates and so that left out george wallace and john anderson

and would've left out of broken wallison and forty eight and was strom thurman third fourth candidate and but then you included clay because that really was before a period when you had two major parties that dominate well i can process and truthfully i henry clay and reclaimed made a terrific role of the presidency that year well not really probably would not include equated are animating twenty four indeed eliminating thirty two nations were forcibly as the major party so good and first just for chronological reasons they aren't the young character that i'm the most pressing both the sanctions are screwed are that is mild background journalist he was a pressman her family or her family or caribbean may know uses newspaper the hammer his own political

views that is an age when that was it fattens richard posner there's a slight with this fight that's what karl marx was one of his correspondence yes just a fascinating person before you knew it all march plus two of the top twenty that some people thought maybe had blank they were no pits a pro morsi was just plain mad at that's exactly right well you said go west young man that he will use the funds for trends won out in the end the book and he yeah he i guess if there's a visa known great principle but amanda became typical urban myth of paris he became a socialist and terminator in his early days he was a protege of an advocate of inequality and the american system and he wandered the streets of new york city during the minute you're in a panic in a depression and change fees and came socialist and no one informal socialist of his verdict he also became disenchanted at one point when one of their

political party won a major political parties and then and then i became a little rock well yes in a nineteen seventy two democrats were in such disarray that input for condos that wouldn't really have a route yes it really disenchanted with that with the thrust the republican party yes charles france's adamson that and some of those elections of that age join together and the democrats just jumped on that wide a year because they knew that in having one event where you would probably as hostile to the republicans and their sympathetic to build right on to the point that are proportionally had been very supportive of iran when cano that's exactly right what he visited and howard bryant attract and he thought that there was rampant corruption corruption go get a slide well the ceo and the other personality a few years later the stone know a person who i

found fascinating program causes campaign was so dirty politics was so dirty during that period was so mcconnell are sediment change the board at boeing painting by and come home but that was like the one in new york city and here is a man who was an irishman and the son of a catholic and his mother was catholic his father was presbyterian so he became presbyterian what a new york city in the last days of the campaign last ten days or so her presbyterian minister by the fineness run roman is a money remains bridge and the democrats might up fliers and that i'm out in fervently you're catholic churches before mass on sunday for election and james do you know i am the son of an irishman and son of a catholic last new work study by women are important votes send five votes with my team president mina says that's exactly right that campaign also produce and you cite in the book the

republican bibi mama westfall gone the white house on grover cleveland had simonton dr but he admitted he was honest about it did manage any advice for the job financially and you know you didn't reside in lebanon show you the rapture and across is somewhat obscure the dig at the democrats use was in addition to gently by a couple of them i was robbery are often the kid will quickly will be glad that the beer and it's less well known but just as funny and of course because he told truth i suppose notably the land of the dead there's some talk that during the campaign some dirty literature was brought to grover cleveland and he said is that all it an insidious is it not burn it yes he was known as a reform candidate who are on the margins we haven't talked about him but

they're there you write about barry goldwater and here is legitimate question i think as to whether we would come and meshed l'amour nature as deeply even though boal was the hawk characterize but johnson won just know what is where it was ok we'll never know willie would've gone and even an anomaly well known for him to have done what he wanted to do you would've had to build a constituency in the house and in the senate and now republicans than that to a long term calm but certainly his views were four different than than the johnsons are some the other levels of that time he if he had had his way he would have tried to and in the world much more quickly with much more braxton insecure and so there's no way really feller a song off the land forces a lot of them will probably all we may have gone forth with nuclear forces aligned then you might have heard about his work

when i met lee you're also there's a view of out humphrey is a fascinating character and we much more fascinating rich but then then at the time when he was alive and right here was a man who grew up in and sort of the typical american diet during very modest upbringing father was a druggist he became a druggist decided he wanted didn't politics fdr came through a tiny men fdr and became a lifelong democrat well known becomes a scoutmaster ghost wars and they say on a scouting trip and says i've got to get to politics goes to school get his political science to curry goes they'll issue it a magistrate he's an extremely poor this time has the sofa and the refrigerator one term to have money for food first family his wife who makes ends the cells and sam just a fellow students just to me what will be the ups and downs of life you know i wonder i think the day of george

mcgovern then walter mondale and mike dukakis loses her in your book james even though they are and continue to be sort of the house so little words a century from now the names will be is skewer in history and you're smart as yours and mine are john davis art mr cox our asia single facility we discussed today but for all the rich paul parker who ran against theodore roosevelt netting for no one's written a big autobiography moon unit but then it was prison american bar association with greater terms of his time yes but he's obscured the term loosely let me ask you are you now so fast that now writing that david of a wartime code well if i could to get rid of the business but i can't i probably read more than i love my work i do have plans for a trend to read another

work if if if those pressures or libya a letter a book on generals in the army were two generals and admirals of the army and navy are for aborted as a you know there's a vast in our research views on the soviets i almost have already others don't have time to get into it rather well the tribe to be trying to write something on a regular basis at the us balance the man who lost the presidency has been our guest on a word on where john sieger drummer this program was produced in the studios of wbez has been