Of People and Politics; 13; The Cartoon

the subject of this cartoon was so enraged many storms of caricature by dna and he had the artist put in prison he was to move really affects the subject of this platoon was sent back to prison on a spanish joint un recognized and the madonna's now has grown as well you mustn't to lead the corrupt former boss of new york's tammany hall ministry despite that dan's of change but the vernacular record of coddling is still vital challenging by the sephardic questioning hypocrisy and kept confounding the smog the cartoon of course uses or the symbolism of american politics to the right and to instruct and sometimes two and rage and distinguished guest tonight is one of our finest practitioners of cartooning the work of robin about because when you have more than two hundred newspapers across the nation and over seats he's the winner of two good surprises for cartooning and numerous other journalistic what's now a block and the continent the

peak ashley editor of the editor ed page of the new york times by his newspaper doesn't think its own editorial cartooning isn't i was simple he said now i appreciate a good captain was represented by the political cartoon does tend to resent its argument for the kind of brutality and an inherent unfairness which are characteristic to me that the times had read in expressing our editorial point of view when asked about that i'd like to ask how you react to the criticism of political criticism rather cut by i know that i don't think has anything

necessarily unfair about a political cartoon characters as long as it's expressed as opinion which of course it hasn't and we don't feel that there's anything unfair about dramatic criticism were criticisms on which opinions are expressed in which a man says he thinks this is good math and that seems to have the most unfair thing that could be done would be to give the reader the impression that that everything is equally good or bad and and not to something needs to be corrected and i'm unsure the bus recovery at her quote attributed to danny that the hottest fires and how reserved for those were the times of great crisis and the greatest the greatest live rock and the science right i think this is true i think it depends on the situation depends upon lead the individual was expressing his opinion and i think there are things

about which we never cried bloody murder one when the occasion calls for it and in the cartoon to do that is that it should be done now travels when you gradually moment with the compton is there something visible and that the continents as the bachelor actually more abundantly editor and weird i don't think so really in our people understand that a card is a card family understand that they've that features or exaggerations on the sizzle recognize and taken the relatively new england's not like my doctor in a photograph or you know it is an expression of opinion and i think that the main thing as well as it's used properly and whether the person who is behind the curtains real sincere conviction landers is on the right side of the subject the new joke about the exaggeration of features and the democrats either as it has one major political figure in this country and spent a good deal of time being concerned about the image of him that you had created for your

exaggeration of his physical characteristics i do mr nixon and in the public mind perhaps in some segments of that picture was this venice yes i think so mr nixon's not the only man has a five o'clock shadow at a vivid than some people know senator mccarthy out that they were a couple of men and i emphasize this physical characteristic what they represented politically certainly am and in my opinion and tomatoes nothing on forever as they should be representing them the problem that we have here in the studio i got the pleasure of her company as we go through

that that's because dannon and if you do make some comments that actually can begin leaving with a comparable this is a plan by hogarth and so a couple of hundred years old and other subjects out of ruth is entirely up to date versus on campaign spending and insanely of the candidate here offering valid so instructions and putting money in that hand can of surreptitiously sea otter as a sign which says the fringe candidate far does allow monitors as <unk> the scattering kinds around the issue of campaign spending is just as much alive today is as it was then and this is the and competition for discussion now we come to one of the greatest of a curtain as soon as romney a certain and the greatest is it as an artist it mentioned that there may be and put in jail for the gargantuan carter and serve six months for that i'm getting some

credit therefore where what was done by dom at another carter was a time of big and the feel and the publisher in this is forty lowenthal aid and the for creating as personable and urging his cartoons to the one that put in jail for six months to really do the same sentence a dominant what's particularly interesting here is as the quality of the nays are though the three dimensional quality of these faces an even members of the french government and an enduring these things isn't what she achieved this result by actually modeling them in clayton kerouac out of those and then they are using those as a studio models were for the faces would shoot we're going on paper i the interesting thing about the interesting things about it is that that is not cast in bounds and so long after dawn leader had died

the most unusual pieces of sculpture that so that we have a domino was a great sculpture a great artist and i imagine other heroes of the interim we have one of them is final figures you can see the video titled head that it didn't know and sculpture but also the entire full figures is very good as well as we go on to lead to be more american cocktail yes this is one of the early american coach of the swimmers of andrew jackson and as a trial and the rats leaving a falling house and were the rats the rats ironing his cabinet members this was at the time look at eton scandal and some of it i cabinet members did resign and really interesting things about this is that as his vote and then burns taylor hare van buren did not laborers and not as hasty about living as processed doesn't really the

beginning of something that a criticism in cartoons and all in all they were there earlier ones and even more of a values chamber pots and all kinds of things and these things and curtains and in those days and didn't matter opening men's faces on rats was not the worst of the coach them and that was done in those days i suppose some of our politicians and i haven't really thankful for that back at that stage of the game i think so you know you cannot imagine some years ago there was a a very nice man as a senator had written about governance and speaking on and history and so on and the end of the book incident occurred profiles in courage which later on became known and the house in and talking about that his research for the book and saw he said if anyone messed up of that mike urchins and politicians through translation they collected the countries regardless of the people he was writing about news but because they are right because president kennedy

had a great sense of humor about some of her other presidents have they reacted with the same sense of years of your candidate i think president truman i had a good deal of humor about this and i think one of the reasons was because it spent his entire life in politics from just a given takeover of a president eisenhower was less happy with president clinton that doesn't happen that advocates and other things and that has sent with an infinite growth rose then a great subject for a cartoonist you have them in in many ways sometimes and i think there are some of the sky and cartoons about like i mean there's one of colombia's say mr lincoln gave me back my five hundred thousand songs and honestly cause i was affected by the way that reminds me of a

story this was playing on the fact that he had a sense of your age or drugs are now under this has capitalized on by some of the cartoonist military analysts make of the uncertainly for him to come to unwrap the same thing is going on a long time in new england and rebecca doing that korean war for example criticizing president truman for beings and photographs smiling and wearing a sports shirt well boys were dying and korea connection between kitchens things but nevertheless as i was been the subject of criticism you know and there isn't another lincoln and this is a much much kinder one this incidentally was is as a very well known was drawn after reagan's reelection bid doesn't have a title i'm here it's often been weakened without <unk> i mustered in a plug for the cartoonist and the cartoon deserves the title and goes one that was not the same without the time the fact that he was going to be

in and terence fletcher and this is a kind of lincoln an effective them remember another tanker well and one of the kindest of the coach and the search concerning lincoln was thomas nast didn't criticize him in arlington called remembered this record insurgents one man wouldn't regard nasa as a recruiter for his cause was was best way that we are ahead of the notoriously corrupt and rank and nasty as much as anybody to destroy that line and this cartoon which is one of the simplest most famous the body of the treatment this actually looks very much like mostly that that money baghdad incidentally the diamond honestly is not a cartoonist exaggeration boss tweed actually wore a fifteen carat diamond there now or i characters of the trade when

i was sitting in this detail from a curtain time let us pray as a group of ranchers and this nest based on a statement that trade made which was that was crusading mascot during one cartoon after another shocking that it was not going to blow over nothing so finally the family and the training itself when you say that the title of this cartoon is not as prey which is aggressive plan upon the vultures get on that am i mistaken and remembering that early in our political history the cartoons instead all kinds of balloons coming out of the figures with yes they did that they are capable of loans for courts and the law except those days people like to have something to read that inevitably the newspapers magazines we have today and sometimes controversial individually chorus master bomb for a weekly paper and the principal characters

the record unfortunately now this of course is another famous nascar john about the reality shows a reminder of the pruning tammany ring and the answer that there's a famous quote this is a particularly interesting one because you mentioned earlier about our trade was apprehended after he had been jailed after he had an escape achieved a remarkable ease because there are very lax about keeping an eye out to cuban to spain where he was picked up by someone who saw this curtain at the original charge of the region's tourism has picked up for so many odd thing for best lead the middle and that that he was a grocer the rest of them couldn't read us initially sent a picture of this meant to connect these two have a nice and so that's

how the story got an interesting for kidnapping now nest in fact became the subject matter of her curtains end of this is run by the upper we begin the famous cartoonist one of his earlier ones are literally a tightly massed on the front page of another weekly a nest and that figured in cartoons early another weekly publications so which a true cartoons about him that you have that distinction of being the subject of veterans oh yes oh absolutely i asked to go back just a moment of this last trade picture cartoon trade is in prison closes as an indication that there are the cartoons been successful and sending jessica jones and then success and

sent him to jail unless for assad he would get a regular courtroom and showed a huge investor in his legs sticking out a line and the germans had only other and saying it's the best or saw that there's nothing get out of the area near jennings bryan who was a favorite subject for her charms of course is a three time candidate for president who came in for lots of them but there are other things that that girl in the show and this character was the fall and dinner pail of that slogan which was is patrolling in cartoons and magazines the judge arm i was a powerful weapon against them and here's brian literally buried under that homeowners fail make a difference going couldn't be more different from that when i listen as the

lead of the new masses group of characters so much back where it was one of the best artists in the early stages very good artist alice was published a year ago is called southern exposure very stark simple courage a really simple but very effective something extraordinarily contemporaneous about this one it's hard to believe that it was done quite so many years ago years ago it was done many years ago but at that same service and contemporary malcolm combined amount to accept that there'd been so much of that type of lynch i think this is a coach owned by robert minor another film from the masses this was on a nineteen fifty in this culture and their mothers hear this is the wrong line but that could soon as quote under this moment in bristol and they can show a very very good one it is run by it and he was on the same school at the the radical approaches the

victims of consciousness about what was going on an accent coach owes unless one one of his best known image of identifying diseases to very perch overlooking up at the sky are going to say anonymous a giant and look at the star stake his bed bugs now it's interesting you mentioned this the messes coach jonas heritage on mccutchen of the chicago tribune but he also was concerned about the worship of the almighty dollar and the summer the end about social conditions before the new deal and saw and he did this cartoon of a membership and it causes that reaches the dollar and this is really the same type of courage and women rate about the same kind of conditions as some others menu mess is gorgeous and there is the chicago tribune she remembered a famous cartoonist brian duffy so many cartoons about the ku klux klan during its heyday in the parties and the

klan as this and anand the scar jumped to save the face of the man who was unmasked himself and they can upload them as as sagan put it on again as a lot of the filibuster as a live great character created by rand kirby in the same way that thomas nast incurred chillingly the elephants and the tammany tiger could be created this character for prohibition and as the runners are rapidly expression on is his face that he was a very formidable challenge and cartoons and those views throughout the entire country as a no longer the curtain of his great ones incident liquor they also created his own figure for gop chair the family has come full circle and alleys republicans many of them in kabul some of them in jail and other

crying tammany at the dallas know this was during the campaign which al smith ran for president remarkably effective campaign and i think north korea greatest despite the fact that in the election didn't come out as you mean cartoonists now ii as mama fitzpatrick so very good coach on and thousands in counseling and remove those immigrant attending as this man reading noticed think they were really saying it seems there was a mini depression and all that was in nineteen thirty five and the first test on that is a very amusing fitzpatrick this was done and roosevelt was running again and again and again and that has coincided with a buddy at drafting and then in the army and he has the he had to actually sitting in front of the chicago bears coach ago were being a

conventional is how as something that there was no signal that we're driving tour and his mouth and the title next reagan dyspeptic and as the bad news let's get him to come around romero i would say is one of one of the greatest of our curtains really from standpoint of that that punch or an hour from what he had to say in such a mess this is known as best this was at the time of the spanish and wonderful caricature of of chamberlain their early years on prop as franco air miscellany and cutler and they're saying i miss mr there's nobody here by the spaniards really remarkable is writer director about hitler himself very direct and there is one moment where i idolize a pirate shirt and he called stepping stones to glory in the stepping stones low labor and

spineless leaders of democracy a responsible for going as far as in the senate there's a less of the universe the most effective caught tuna and i like that as ramon to turn to some other very very effective cartoons and they are caressed your own this one i think that everyone will recognize an imminent death row that was so senator joseph mccarthy is distinguished from the president only a doctor from a fake leather and using his own favorite question i have here in my hand in his hands are getting very well scored from his family documents senator mccarthy again and they're being faced by president eisenhower was you'll recall reluctant to take him on and prisoners have a drawing from his skill really a feather and saying haven't cares for president eisenhower again i was there mr nixon as the presidential nominee and they're selling

is this is a clean shaven heads washington and unshaven the pending unknown how he did that the time in the end i think the nineteen fifty four campaign i i call that the store campaign which monitors were sick around the country it wasn't i have done this a couple of characters a rather fun because certain loser dirksen and how to get home now is the evan kalish a hotel as we've been telling him in washington aggressive than killing legislation but the interesting thing about that is that their press interviews and tv occasional tv interviews came to be known as the album charlie show and the tv shows get receiving letters letters a mansion

asking why isn't this tv brought me an entirely sure most of your models there is a line which was going to mean for the region later appeared in nineteen sixty two and the little negro said the jim crow schools saying i'm eighty i was born on the day of the supreme court's decision and this was really truly a nineteen sixty four inch of saying i'm in the conditions don't sign this was from i think it recognizes political character is senator goldwater is his living as an intersection and opening of those it lingers interpreter section and simon caller stephanie mcmahon some time to tell me what the cia said yesterday just about battling anyone would mistake york politics you're not exactly a nonpartisan person and ike lead us not in a semi sovereign independent we could discuss it to another continent really has no partisanship and that is your

pictures is nuclear or the tug mcgraw and i wonder whether this famous cartoon his book u particular feelings about the cartoons of not running the snow nearby mining and drive about nineteen forty six seven billion for many years and they're starting with the atom bomb and the hydrogen bomb and sand kept getting better and better and i'm getting to do the reaction from from people coming to leave a final a frightening creature which is what it's supposed to being really frightening it is to use those as easily have been right you're frightening me but some questions to you and me in the meantime i guess the big question that we had time for in a short answer that is how would you summarize your basic philosophy of political cartoon i think and ratings but making anything

as to try to be right under the affective and i think the idea that at least for the counterculture and i'm interested in is to try to say the right thing at the right time to say particularly the thing that needs to be said even that may not be a popular in with partisanship i know that's there's nothing about posen japan and independence it seems to me is not a matter of being a listener letter saying if it means to be set in a particular time and often something that the others are not so i can because this is just a very time when i must have to say that time has run out on us this evening over thirty years ago walter lippman wrote of the cartoons of roland kirby he said that are good examples of how the liberty of opinion can be effectively exercised for they turn the best tradition of the english speaking world which is that the uncompromising exercise an opinion is quite compatible with their willingness to go on living with one's opponent a disagreement of parties does

not imply the dissolution of the community and their deep differences need not lead to a record low of donations so roland kirk and future historians examine khartoum part of the fix than six decades of the century i'm sure that one defining who reads a breeze for your efforts mr bergen thank you so much for being with us the peak is both it's

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