The House We Live In; 11; Julian Huxley

many many and scott the world between in this close to panicking and the card at the university of pennsylvania probes these areas with his guest today sir julian huxley evolutionary biologist former director general of unesco author of numerous works including evolution in action and religion without revelation so you and i think it's the most pleasure and a date on saturday night in the fight of your presence is a testament to the fortunes of the subject the subject is the house we live in mandarin and violent we have thought through the business of uniform way we asked her secrets an actual scientists doctors about the evolution of matter because less

than the life and the evolution of that the best theologians theologians to speak about that concept of god man and nature have historically we've had a psychologist a physiologist talk about that depends on major and i wouldn't you for a synthesis you are you are the ef spokesman for evolutionary humanism which isn't to your own view and is is to have it at a day center in haiti read all five cutting i saw a couple of days ago a krishna and that eminent and splendid man muslims now the vice president of india said that from major tragedy of today is that the major religions divide men moment i'm writing men in mutual understanding and goodwill i agree with that photo why why is that so we're adaptation himself gave the answer

said by that the magic claims and prejudices and there i would again agreed with that but i would go still further and say that might not facing up to all the facts revealed by mother knowledge which revolutionizing our view of the universe with a full face of contribution greater mutual understanding but to do that they got to make an effort to get in but understanding of what that often risky as a lot of the misapprehension as to what religion really isn't as the knife was more definitions of religion when mormons count that as far as i can see the only definition is that it was a normal function of that strange legal reason we call a man that men living in the social community the cultural tradition and transmitted socially transmitted framework of ideas and there are certain types of experienced a witch than a religious is always

been giving all experience is involving reverence and all on one day and place of the facts existence and the us desire for a sense of communion with something outside yourself for intimidation with the movement who are strays of cannot ourselves which has begun more continuing and a desire to get away from this sense of guilt that almost everybody has to achieve a sense it's a celebration song i think everybody would agree that experiences of that sort are religious but when you are so what is a particular function which religions perform i knew when i just as it is that they are to help them cope with the problems of his destiny their nature to extol nature

has played some role in the universe and so on and this any religion always has and always steers it always involves some sense of reverence and the sense of the sacred is often called it even and contemplating the most familiar thing norway's of course has some kind of framework of beliefs and principles which are formulated and rational way which one may call its theology of the show it always has some code of morals of a what not to do what not to do what to do and i am only some form of expression of its of religious feeling lebanon worship or in sacred awful in well whatever it may be to the point that i would like to make is that they the theology of the belief system family going so

is i think the decisive factor because it gives the approach to the problem of destiny and determines a great deal of the morals system of miles and also determines the the way in which you express your religious sense and i must say that i feel that and what i'm going to say it i'm not going to try and deliver all the great religions of the letters and find that neither the management so i should confine myself talking of the basic aspects of christian theology when a lot of those ideas undaunted in christian theology already being abandoned the idea that this was centrally idea of the physical hailing the

physical evidence on the ground to find out an enormous circle of birth the idea of the creation of the world and the organisms in it in this essentially in the present state and comparatively recent periods the idea of the last judgment not too far away from the idea of a blasting damnation even the head of the press more devil is that our and unsalable been abandoned that they are tending to fade out but i would say that i'm much more fundamental changes needed something i think in the big festival got christian theology and end all theologies of established religions of based on a fundamental dualism a cleavage between what is regarded as natural and what is regarded as supernatural marks and totally different way what is regarded as this material <unk> the

spiritual world it's loud quite clear as a result of scientific work in all sorts of deals that old phenomenon operative a natural part of a single unit three po there's no such separate thing no entity of mind or spirit that we are all we all we human beings are how unified my view is you will have to go then equally fundamental way starting idea that god the idea of god is a hypothesis it's a theoretical construction of man's mind to account for the effects of existence not course of basic mystery of everything is just a fact of

existence itself with the concept of this was given this extraordinary world which will be gone without asking but the easiest way to account for this basic mystery the strangeness is to assume that it was made by some external or created otherwise completely mysterious and of course the man finds himself surrounded by all sorts of an inanimate forces which at the chairman and binge on his existence and hours of the storm and earthquake thunder lightning and authentic disease and so on then of course in turmoil phenomena which he was confronted with dreams and madness

and inspiration and the lord yes to transcendence and the gift of prophecy and so forth but in all these cases it's much seems to be much simpler to describe the existence of these facts to the intervention of some external plus more honest person will be enough away <unk> child describe the personality of some sort to inanimate objects and so the primitive man in the same way in the lead distance of inspiration and it affects only yuma score inspirations bigger than you is ascribed to an intervention of a divine being inspiring you gradually festival a primitive my man's mind but save the personal being inside the phenomena inside to those very useful

for storms or whatever it may be then he puts divine being behind the phenomenon you had the gods of the storm the guard says he and so and then finally a man's inescapable tendency towards unity and see like all these beings in a single a single personality so that you get many states getting placed many guardsmen involved in place to run run the whole thing is based on this hypothesis of that into being supernatural beings our moral as personal nature which incapable are capable of interfering with natural events and human events including human events in human mind i think that's a business on buddhism is that while i was talking the first jack davis was a lot of acting in all practical there's a legitimate has got that wyoming's come in often as incentives would do was

developmentally of the review of evolutionary humanism as a scene from christian theology what i'd like us to more suicide out of the idea of god as a basic office itself for most theology is inclusiveness christian theology me basic hypotheses gets elaborated into elaborate theory for instance in medieval scholastic theology but unfortunately the basic of pulse this just doesn't seem to get through and that leads to all sorts of self contradiction i mean you if as the theologians say god is omnipotent all powerful legacy and all wives on the benevolent all good then how is it that so much waste and suffering misery and cruelty and stupidity exists and well i think to me it leads into a complete intellectual mr om parts and then also new facts which show festival it

the world was not creating anything like its present state oh no that was created at all and maybe we don't know any rate yet it is now it has evolved but that financial means secondly there's no evidence whatsoever for any and it's supernatural entity had recorded so that your mind body develops but even actually from the singer on the basis of its genetic inheritance and so and it's quite clear that the claim that we're all descended from the single couple it is not truly the old or an organic feces and all those populations never from single couples there certainly was no such as comical adventures of ford man we found that epidemic disease in earthquakes and so on or not you can actually cause for that matter the natural barrier and that's natural phenomena there's nothing no such thing as nichols' in the audience and said they'll misinterpretation org on

that you know something else and most important of all this novel is a modern five half the unconscious and repression and development of conscience and the super ego and so on which definitely shows no and i'm outside like divine intervention is is necessary to accomplish that city's human psychology course all sorts of scientific theories started as matt prophecies vietnam just a hypothesis when it was first shown that so his evolution gradually modern atomic theory has developed their eleven and they go through the facts and are capable of leading who new knowledge and having predictive value and value in an application and that's where the difference comes i think very often i find that would like boy that is this that science of course is that is a method of getting knowledge and

is essentially a an open system it's a self correcting system which is always leading on to something new continuity from of god and the dead before whereas or theology i essentially closed systems which they pretend to some sort of absolute certainty are usually about revelations or else the ecclesiastical pronouncements they depend on the set of dog russert conflict with those of other religions and other sects and so that inevitably divisive and content to get unity by just finding the lowest common denominator reason for treating them i think you need then you kind of you have all these lies about the highest common denominator of the direction that you wish that you would like to have the scientific knowledge and used as a basis for man's behavior and you wish list of your immune system is a superior device because it is inevitably self correct

that is the iraq army on the intellectual side i would say absolutely that must have systems which are self correcting an open incapable of development and i would say that i am in front of a different moment can talk in any detail about what sort of religion will join willow run by the new religion but i think you can see certain certain principles that anything which doesn't i mean there is this universal desire to come to grips with one's destiny which is a essentially religious design anything which means that as it is religious system is a religion which helped me go and i would say that in a theology that does arise know first of all it's got to be the unity of those voted to divest its got to be relevant

an applicable in principle to all societies and two to an indefinite continuance in time nothing is as they open themselves it must insulate came to a unique superior materials special truth which nobody else can get it must be comprehensive aiming at any rate to live to tape for all kinds of phenomena of the universe into into account astronomical geological record whole notion in a psychological social and so on and it mustn't dismiss anything as piers second i'll claim that special rights for itself i think at the basic elements in an annuity over there will be this festival that it will and proclaim that man

is a part of nature is not something outside the city made of the same at it then these works by the same image is the most methodical and notes around he has the same type of mine joked about in a different way and further been mined in animals you as and he is he exists on this planet and he shares this planet with all the other organisms would have developed out you've got to take the ecological view of theology is part of the ecological you've been talking about this and that's that's a nice flavor and future reporters though he is a part of nature he is a user is unique to me here's the lake is dominant by product of evolution on this planet after they discovered after over tonight

half billion years of slow advancing improvements and the author of natural operations of natural selection and we're just beginning to be able to define his destiny destiny is the possibility of a nato meeting in evolution on this planet new advances the new improvements including himself recalls greater heights a major achievement and then with this other background and at least another two enough billion years ahead of him from doing it as long as he doesn't be stupid enough to sense of love as a call for that process as another man sixty years old estimated the rest of nature the advantage of independents vote in business is that one of our fears from from i think they have that and tv bad and the republican says

i they're fighting for the gifted comic that is terrible out what i wanted to see as well if you can't take in point is a new patent thinking isn't even that humankind put forward some of the principal along with that will have to be to work for that day in your new theology for instance you will take this into account the man has the possibility of leading on evolution versus trump for unification funded think that service for reverence for wanda will and also above all for thinking about the almost limitless possibilities in his own nature and in the rest of the night and i think the thing with food list it if you really think about it is that the average human being probably doesn't realize moment a fraction of one percent of his possibilities of a

moment and of course it has to be done in this village of center of weeks research and humility two and three lions come in our knowledge and self correction and when they did go away i do know i would've said of greater fulfillment and greater achievement through lower elevation of these <unk> with including all sorts of tom fenton was i think that would've been with this is through an astrologer they're going to be fine but there are so many times when we're in man feels he's cramped in a prison partly a material prison got to social prison and part of the prism of his own self veteran a go in any activity which helps to transcend his own self in fulfillment through the orphanage in your food some knowledge that it is something of

value and that sort of thing you want to get to that you want to do it the individual human being and the whole evolutionary process to transcend itself in highland more fruitful foreigners asians of david meltzer the group which has does not exist in western religions is a digital agenda satisfied with with them i would say two years and then of course if you had if you do have a point but i won't make again when i made it before but it is very important and that is that we now have thanks to new knowledge in physics astronomy or special about their genetics but also especially in psychology and also in human history and so she hollered do we have a new vision of and played some role in that this is a new vision of

that recovery is not so new and this the new vision is the thing which will which will dictate the framework of the new religion and that will dictate new morality for instance the league obvious why michael ecological morality of not merely just exploiting the material resources manager soil line in a list of the things that some sort of water conservation idea what some idea of reverence and when i just come back from african influence in africa looking at possibilities and conserving and credible and one for live and share you have something quite unique and that in this conflict should demand now occupied by these glorious wild animals be turned over to cattle agricultural industry or show to generate some of that be kept for they rarely

extraordinary and enjoyment or it's unique enjoyment and experience to see these things on future generations and the whole world and ecological it practical because lebanon is more profitable if you had to keep one name on it and crop the circus for meat institute and tried for cattle from his arizona law if you have a friend who would suggest there was a presumption in favor of a natural that if the sun's rays fall upon her native ground of the microorganisms in the insects plants and animals in the thick of the sun's energy and as a way of crete is at an organic farm and businesses or justification in respect to whether or not that benefits man well i didn't believe that it not your man has got through the long running the characters live skit from that if he can do it in a way which is in an open way and leads to greater fulfillment i

mean after all wearing clothes and cooking real food and growing crops under or improving and they can take some some cases pending which isn't the next natural has gotten a mystical value and self taught at normandy done very mystical but about you know not certainly not enough to move the plan to see it in an informed citizens who have an absolute value of those things of you know the jews of that the indispensable fall on the farm netanyahu said that if you have a habitat natural habitat it had an absolute value i don't see that stole i mean not only inhabitants of that habitat we have put out what you want to do that i mean i it's value is any value must be relative to the direction of evolution that's when relative to that absence than their absence of our curriculum he was a pharmacist will

vote for that is the point of them as you know it with you he's got certainly no right now absolutely naylor i just to exploit the rest of the planet to what he thinks is an advantage if he tries to do that he won't had himself unless the plan that the disaster that he has the right to see to try and find out what is the best way of conserving and utilizing these resources which are given to in fort lee that's our fulfillment of the whole planet and it's said that evolution i think that's the part that there is a basic relativity there's no nothing which is absolute that would disagree with that now absolutely morality in no absolutely nothing else but everything's relative to relative to the direction of the election law that solution and that's they are really looking for you know the officer some role here to help us through the landscape of that that

there's not an awful lot of conservative people that are visible but do they have a little better and i'm so glad you brought and not only to make his relations with neighborhood but he was also create beauty and said about them as what he's doing now and that's one of the new things we can do they needed to create things of value us and our lives and beauty attorney also the surface it shows some of the other within which mimics this i mean sue tells the fees will is a totally new type of organization of matter which which has an extremely high value in itself says the maintenance is that sound well obviously i'm a landscape architect of the natural tooth and i write a letter to the data which man could show that the data which he's a signature as an object of alaska most important of all well for length about having just not the city of fife and i mean that again sometimes you'll be your best way of getting exciting and

interesting affected by contrasting man's position with nature sometimes that phenomenon whose life in an authentic you want contrast as well as the foliage dictate noble and ennobling physical violence as awful your revolutionary humanism will help us to do that says thank you very very much for julian huxley in the cards yesterday has been through june and that's the pilot is poet essayist evolution in action and religion without revelation in the card is the chairman of the department of landscape art picture of the university of pennsylvania a landscape architect and city planner of high powered this is andy tee national educational television