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her fb the fate of the civil rights bill is being made this week congressman howard w smith chairman of the house rules committee that happened to save the innocent passion theres no law that will happen in modern haitian deputy attorney general nicholas katzenbach i think that it passes doesn't firm because of that the us is for amateurs republican congressman john lennon and so i suppose the friends and i'd like to make sure that is why i don't want legislation should be very careful when dealing with the preponderance of this legislation so that we don't become divided among
themselves that message is competing with each other in national educational television presents at issue of commentary on events in the news at issue this week called on all ease civil rights commentator is devastated national affairs editor of other reporter magazine and visiting professor in public affairs at wesleyan university and many americans civil rights is labeled four calls to which this nation has been committed others civil rights means a demand for a radical change and an existing live life and amanda be resisted with the last ounce of energy start a civil rights can be said to have celebrated its hundred year when the centennial anniversary of lincoln's emancipation proclamation was absurd
and so it has more immediate meeting this week as a second session of eighty eight congress gets underway they attempt to define that meeting with little persuasion has become the number one item on the congressional agenda none of those before the house rules committee which constitutes a path to a traffic cop or legislation the rules committee is holding hearings presided over by chairman howard w smith a democrat from virginia who's always taken very seriously in his duties as chief traffic cop some feel it is willfully late in reaching this stage that's mitchel washington director for the national association for the advancement of colored people it's just me
he's trying to make me they made it legislation democratic party that we're making an absolute certain economic matters the democratic party rules committee has are individualized decision annie its implications
and other things any crimes russia's of a showdown on civil rights which still explosive stage last spring when the negroes of birmingham alabama led by martin luther king announced their own demands and then took to the streets the resulting confrontation between negroes and birmingham police shocked the nation so as well as math as national concern increased bozeman candidate spoke of the country on television republican
analyst the concern over civil rights culminated in a massive march on washington a quarter of a million men women and children came to the nation's capital and demonstrated peace agreement with visible further the chief purpose of the march on washington was to lobby for the civil rights bill of the farm bill can become a little bit less about a number of critical stages and the first day genocide rwanda go searching the view of a house judiciary subcommittee and so doing the phones at issue a committee whose chairman is congressman emanuel sought out of mark it now reaches the house rules committee presided over by congressman smith of virginia that must obtain close in order to reach the flow of the house of representatives there can be voted up or down and in the us
about the committee that less than make its way over to the senate a feather stages and the legislative process the civil rights bill is often referred to as a package consists in the ramparts of those pod strengthens guarantees for full voting rights in federal election once the second the section most bitterly disputed bars discrimination in virtually all public accommodations except retail stores with food services local barbershops and occupied movie houses of five or less rooms the third permits suits by the justice department to desegregate state for community and now are operated facilities such as beaches parks and groups with us there's technical assistance and grants to school district switched to segregate and permits the justice department in the school desegregation cases
next the civil rights commission permanent and expands its patents the sex discrimination and prejudice federal funds the seventh creates an equal employment opportunities commission with power to investigate discriminatory practices by private employers labor unions and the federal government could sell it authorizes account back on race of persons who register and vote as a possible first step and reducing congressional representation of those states which discriminate and five and nine section makes additional provisions for revealing civil rights cases in higher federal courts as the countdown on civil rights says the legislation has already survived one major crisis this occurred when the house
judiciary subcommittee ignoring the candidate proposals reported out a bill that was considered far more sweeping in its impact it took a month for friends in the night was before and substitute could be negotiated most enduring secretive hotel room sessions meaning to other justice department officials and republican congressional leaders much of the administration's strategy has been mapped within the walls of the justice department report andy stern spoke with deputy attorney general katzenbach who has been one of the chief strategists we knew that we needed a number of republican votes in them a number of republican votes to ask personally am a year in the house of representatives as well as in the senate their son had been straddling two to keep it from being partisan issue and
to make sure that the legal language of the set of the provisions were satisfactory to the leaders on the set what happened in eight and the subcommittee muslim and medicaid that result as yet those strong pressure for their civil rights groups were was important in terms of their constituencies at some provisions the suggestion of these groups and you hear that some of the provisions of the senate right now in the judgment of the administration that certain visions without accomplish those ken mattingly subcommittee and judiciary the attorney general said not an issue
and he meant by that was that in scotland reported that their senate committee been satisfactory to many members of congress and lots of security at harrison's appointment without essential yeah that there was embarrassed of the leading civil rights groups could not possibly inadvertent of security that than in either the house or they were the senate and this would have left an issue actually goes through who is in favor of civil rights and was the civil rights legislation which the administration fails is absolutely essential that today over the national debt is interesting to note that a seven as i may have to commemorate the dead in fact about the animals most members of the senate
committee permanent was finally vote again which is indication that their judgment was similar to the administration's judgment that that they're asked they asked the representatives congressman renzi was a liberal republican new york city served on the subcommittee and was initially an advocate of the stronger bill as a girl and on austerity aspect of cigarettes that decisions at the us customs nasser in this country and it lowers their comprehensive and then suddenly this is a passenger cars pour into his respects there the girl was not technically they are massive attacks that were made against it by demonstrations by the time the justice department and the administration have
been through that attack and the bear had been completely discredited that swelling and they just sit there and was doing i think in good faith and both believe that the jets passed in the house it's done that and i felt that it had to be a substantial cutback they're and they're in the questions that and the question that they're really succeeded and discredited know unfortunately and that's actually janet babin those sentiments of the liberal press the traditional suburban grounds of the gents besson has i think because it could have gone through the nose but a small group of gunmen who eventually determined to get out of the saudis of legislation that were made of different ways that closely and when their
sentences evan mallett members of republican members of the house judiciary committee in the government just that matters which meant that you had the combination of the administration and outside the administration working with those small group of republicans to chairman of the judiciary committee congressman sell a democrat from brooklyn also supported the subcommittee version but then went along with a compromise my own micro level as sherman those that an undue coercion egan a strong bill was very difficult to strengthen the only girls so that i felt in the interest of getting votes than half of footloose roman no official and that it would be
better at the regional go and present to being floated as cher committee were new as was an approach that i could get a bipartisan support that would be impossible ticket to get out of this video showed committee that wasn't possible an incredible without bipartisan support emerging so today at the republican members i felt it was essential that show crackdown that those somewhat and that we have a balance of good new rules committee i'm quite sure is going to go and newest committee has already failed and the nation those canals that if it does
not going to rule that we can get this ranch from the clutches of the rules committee by eight obtaining the requirement infringes on the socalled of this discharge petition when we get to maintain sanctions on the discharge petition and we haven't listened to one of red hair winnie then take control of the committee i had not beat the bushes as it were to get the required members should mention because of the ranch regret it so the rules committee has its eye on the third floor of the capitol building it is a place of power that inspires already been among those who disputed use of that power and then president knows the guy is eighty years ago
judge smith explains his ideas about the role of this committee the columnist robert novak now they and may have been the fifteenth avenue to challenge him controversial mm hmm in nevada not have an actor knowing about that and your opinion was chairman
chris evert or manhattan so are the many ad an actor mm hmm it is and only has a legend and they hurt when they have to show the ol arrest of the man education
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then he was a good afternoon no i've been very early and i never shared any male anatomy or not at the par and a big speaking german after that the rules committee cease to be an instrument of pollution and no mention of the ship that is not right
family and look there's been speculation the newspapers that the filing a petition to this challenge from the rules committee that has doomed to the first two to do that for hearings soon have the distribution that unfathomable this is at the back and now i i know you know i knew because of that there's a girl and a noted dancer that iran ended the show time to show him at yale
that i know i'm not meant to have an opportunity as an adult the yiddish it and accept the senate bill in the senate that mm hmm patients needed thank you one fact has become increasingly clear in recent days judge smith despite his opposition has no
hope of stalemate isn't right package in the rules committee most observers are confident if the past is a new president and it's the bipartisan coalition holds together as a representative chicago up the package in cocoa a few days later the us will still be a preliminary stage of the countdown for the best way to make its way through the senate which is traditionally been the barrier realm of most civil rights measures that's senator james eastland of mississippi chairman of the senate judiciary committee has not attended to give serious consideration to this new package most likely the senate leadership will be obliged to bypass instance committee and take a bill directly to the floor where would be exposed to that for not a bonus point senator passion the filibuster some administration strategists are convinced that there's no chance to avoid this test of sheer
physical endurance if their prediction proves correct and not simply be a test for the southern senators who conduct a filibuster it will also test the state garand the purpose of the bipartisan coalition which must maintain the homes to break the filibuster it will test the senate leadership especially majority leader mike mansfield who has been notably reluctant to clamp down on his colleagues by holding all night sessions but the legislative process will also be greatly affected by decisions made at the other end of pennsylvania avenue in the white house there will be a test of president lyndon johnson who has declared strong support for the civil rights programs which he inherited from kennedy a president has told himself alone from congress that he has ways of making his wishes felt as jim and so i suggested to us not doing bad rating among
them rotting shouting hectoring but in a very quiet way he has powers of persuasion yeah well that will cut out certain to mention a challenge the arctic and i am certain them appointments insight and patronage hundred and one way by which a president if he wishes to exercise is i haven't heard in the second and so on any intransigent house and senate where congress somewhere along the way the question of compromise bill again raises politics it is said is the art of the possible and then look in that it is not possible to pass a civil rights bill without sacrificing the more controversial sections well the legislative process with all the swimming in dealing with its closed or
conspiracies and it's opened in debates are either lives unworkable all one thing should be apparent to almost everyone in washington as well as elsewhere as the countdown on civil rights continues a great many indians beside the lawmakers are impatient when marking time plus it's
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Countdown on Civil Rights
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Representative Howard Smith (D-Virginia), chairman of the House Rules Committee which has been accused of delaying the civil rights bill presents his own views on the proposed civil rights legislation. Congressman Smith and four other distinguished members of the House will present their frank views on the controversial bill during National Educational Televisions At Issue: Countdown on Civil Rights. Appearing with Congressman Smith on the provocative half-hour program are Representative Emanual Celler (D-New York), chairman of the House Judiciary Committee; Representative John Lindsay (R-New York) and Representative William McCulloch (R-Ohio), both of the Judiciary Committee; and Nicholas deB. Katzenbach, deputy U.S. Attorney General. Douglass Carter, national affairs editor of The Reporter magazine, is the programs host. Mr. Carter also is visiting professor in public affairs at Wesleyan University, Middletown, Connecticut. At Issue is broadcast across the country on the National Educational Television network of nearly 80 affiliated non-commercial stations. The executive producer is Alvin Perlmutter. The producer is Leonard Zweig. (Description adapted from documents in the NET Microfiche)
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This program examines the background and current status of the civil rights bill from its original form as introduced by the late President Kennedy to its current status in the U.S. House of Representatives. So far the bill has passed only on hurdle approval by the House Judiciary Committee. The bill has been bogged down in the House Rules Committee, which determines the flow of legislation to the House floor. Rules chairman Representative Howard Smith (D. Virginia) has previously indicated he would not move the bill unless pushed. A discharge petition designed to bypass his committee has brought a promise by Rep. Smith for hearings this month. The host is Douglas Cater, national affairs editor of The Reporter Magazine, and visiting professor in public affairs at Wesleyan University, Middletown, Connecticut. Mr. Cater appeared in the first At Issue program. The guests include: U.S. Representative Howard W. Smith (D. Virginia), chairman of the House Rules Committee, has stated his intention to delay floor consideration of the civil rights bill for a substantial period of time. Rep. Smith has served in Congress since 1930. Prior to that time, he served as judge in the 16th Judicial Circuit in Virginia; U.S. Representative Emanuel Celler (D. New York), chairman of the House Judiciary Committee which approved the Kennedy Administrations civil rights bill and went a step further in barring racial discrimination in employment. He has served in Congress since 1922; U.S. Representative John Lindsay (R. New York), member of the House Judiciary Committee; prior to his election to Congress in 1958, he served as an executive assistant to the U.S. Attorney General; U.S. Representative William M. McCulloch (R. Ohio), member of the House Judiciary Committee. Rep. McCulloch has served in Congress since 1947 and before that he served in the Ohio House of Representatives for six terms; Nicholas deB. Katzenbach, deputy U.S. Attorney General, Justice Department, who was instrumental in drafting the compromise civil rights bill which passed the House Judiciary Committee. AT ISSUE: LET US CONTINUE THE CIVIL RIGHTS BILL: 1964 National Educational Television production. Running Time: 28:50 (Description adapted from documents in the NET Microfiche)
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30 minute piece, produced by NET and initially distributed by NET in 1964.
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At Issue consists of 69 half-hour and hour-long episodes produced in 1963-1966 by NET, which were originally shot on videotape in black and white and color.
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Executive Producer: Perlmutter, Alvin H.
Guest: Lindsay, John
Guest: Celler, Emanuel
Guest: Smith, Harold W.
Guest: Katzenbach, Nichols deB.
Guest: McCulloch, William M.
Host: Cater, Douglas
Producer: Zweig, Leonard
Producing Organization: National Educational Television and Radio Center
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