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eunice talk tonight on health effects and depleted uranium i myself i'm a desert storm veteran so i can i know firsthand what it is talking about a little bird my first experience with the rookie was come across as information this to my stock has been courted by the peace and justice works any affinity for iraqi unity group it's co sponsored by the portland peaceful response coalition oregon piece works clear a fellowship for peace american friendship service committee the war resisters league woman a community meeting of religious society of friends quote unquote the clippers the oregon says physicians for social responsibility trap raucous our interview in massachusetts and the first unitarian ranchers as we were standing there to begin with there's some of the some things are some facts about dr akey that i didn't know and so assuming
he is the us so that i think your doctor delivered during his us from western illinois university fought with his master's in nineteen eighty six this phd from the university of illinois in nineteen ninety two dan rockey is a vietnam war veteran and go forward he retired just recently from an army has a major he was a part of the us army defeated during an assessment team in desert storm and the persian gulf janitors and activism after several members of his team became sick and so he himself became so without further ado
and what makes me a little nervous it's just a different house to be on a more you know and understand that a better warrior since nineteen sixty seven i continue to be worn and i didn't just retire her december retirement or so the army research just a few weeks ago i came in nineteen sixty seven as his two thousand and three for those you know the thing about the military a career issue for twenty years well i went through a full enlisted curtain a nice some nineteen years after it first illicit i started all over is a brenden second lieutenant oreos everybody freaked out when that happened you know women are strong all over india would you go were the purpose of war strictly to kill and destroy the kinds of the idea the
respected sharma well audie involved in this is totally irrelevant and he'd understand that the warrior goes to war to kill and destroy it it doesn't matter whether it's a man a woman or a child of that age where your uniform and it isn't on your side and it moves you shoot it it doesn't destroy it and other words the purpose or skillet destroyed totally pure respectable what happened in japan madeleine albright was also in town the night on the other side of town someplace and she said a long time ago the collateral damage is totally irrelevant well i don't know what your collateral damage is irrelevant collateral damage means the women and the children the hospitals the schools the church's it means anything that has destroyed or killed it men women or
child or structure deliberate thing that does not have a military value as collateral damage when we go to war we're going to use the most effective weapon we have and it doesn't matter what their health and environmental consequences that weapon are it's totally irrelevant i'm a warrior elite understand that when we go to war we're not concerned about ethics or morality in the last few years it's been an astonishing of that were you had people from warriors to individual church members to people in the peace movement of all things come together to speak out to try and stop or a pet which one trouble new companies and the voters in the congo wars are tribal leaders had started the war's put these together when you come of these
people are trying to talk to him about ethics and morality and what's right it what religion at doesn't even come into their work vocabulary is not part of their thinking you need to understand what a warrior is warrior has no one whatsoever portable latino person said at fifty meters doesn't matter whether to man woman or child horror doesn't get on food about thrown an artillery ron in someplace that shows your job hard to deal with when you go to war the job as the talented destroyed period and if i may on your site it's done away with now golf or two ladies and gentlemen golf or two was all told we plan and ready to go by the summer of two
thousand a lock stock and barrel is nothing new we started planet almost right away and i got called the planet right away some of medical operations officer an expert in nuclear biological chemical warfare envy when everything else i want to know what the effect because you wouldn't when you talk to a warrior to stop what they're doing you have to talk to a warrior from his perspective you have to get into the mind of a warrior and you have to get that warrior to comply with his own operational guidelines his own regulations and directors if they get them or to ensure that they do not issue a defective equipment to the troops but that's one more certain dollar i had to make sure that all the train in education they need that scalia stop a war a commander any good to send us
troops in the battle of the as a goddamned sixteen that works if he has a god medical backup and support it as it got the food in other words what we call the beast the blood of the bolts reality is now i sing love and peace and everything coming down from all over from all over the last few years the warrior dozen people who got understand killen is in the killing is enjoyable destroying is enjoyable let me tell you the high you get from killen is beyond comprehension and too many times but also made a decision to save lives and sometimes i succeeded and sometimes i failed
and failed too many times because of the weapons we use because of the tactics that are used to because of the total disregard for help in an arm of that sort i started it on false pretenses yet understand well what was part of iraq the united states and anyone rep kuwait away from our actually could control the oil flow resources and then we gave a green light to racked to invade kuwait when they started yelling about the finances in the money and accessed oil and we talk with walter we don't care what you do when you can know what an idiot and then we said and told the world that the iraqi army was arrayed along the saudi call at an iraqi saudi borders ready to overrun saudi arabia is ready to take over all the oil wells enciso entire region
and they weren't there and we know all that work they're well we won out there and if i manage their armor one out there it has tanks roll into mass of hail mary play run and right on into a rack and there was nobody there surprise when we want to ward off or once we knew i would repeat we know our rack possessed chemical biological missions why did we know cozy united states gave them too warm and we kept a receipt tolly confirmed in the regal commission report the subject of a made for tv movie we did called thanks so grateful nation starts and danson mr golden door now all right cannon and let me tell you lazy
junk overact use the boss they use nerve agents they use biological agents and they kick our book would go crazy for more problems however we know that chemical agent alarms were going off colbert's theater when the scud missiles came in over your head as remember that bj thomas song raindrops falling on my head there will be a public have instead parts for one year that i produce good book or my head is the maker nice day it's ok i'll put on my guest mess cannot hide under my campbell scott campbell's will stop rockets from your book so we made a crisis the senate decision in december of nineteen ninety eight that we would deliberately and willfully blow up rats chemical and biological stockpiles and nuclear reactors in place and we did
could you verify absolutely go to page three ninety of norman she's force cause autobiography a dozen take at work they told the world and then when the and a completion that wrong or we won in a blowup another hundred and five sides and spread that stuff all over the place and the kids got sick and i got sick and they started to die all the coalition got sick and iraqis got sick and the children got sick the collateral damage but i remember madeleine albright's a collateral damage is a relevant then i remembered as for your nose if i don't if it moves shoot it it would all movie either destroyed if it's not yours it at that year's the pain probably people painted rocks i know i
have to use while a disease painted rocks at but we want the war and we had all these problems with wallace the expo center is what iraqis use the stuff that we gave them honest that are used on the iranians that are used on i remember so we have all of the stuff that we screwed up with the immunizations remember most people just like that i don't get their immunizations at odd time when they need to get a look at the steps that protect them against all associates of diseases you don't do that i would think the school's record in those asian carp get in school but when the military brigades to do that we're going to apply everybody real class that will we got to do is give up the shots he'd shot
ten shots because what you need the district on the guys for about a resource that walked through the line i got a shot couple shots of the jackal were shots of each leg why <unk> are everybody got shot and everybody got security uses them with compromise and then they give the anthrax vaccine but because we didn't have an elbow that it was a secret shot and we use quite elite has yet evidence that out and the immune system was compromised in the guts and then we got all a hazardous materials that we use to one a city a community a record or industry whatever you have a military that we had jumped all over the place as we use that everybody got sick and then together the job is to kill and destroy so we'd blow up everything and kuwait would blow up everything interact around or watches tropical waited local want to stop in saudi arabia
and we really see all that toxic industrial chemicals that are used in agriculture medicine industry and education everybody gets a completion of a wrong war general franks of the corps commander called me in at borders officers that we got the senate or hazardous waste dump its popular rap can you take your the soccer yes sir and we thought everybody second with all the stuff spread all over and it was gone we brought back to take amc would be original big role and we walked away and everybody touches and that ladies and gentlemen wall and b o u gotta remember the job is what are the job is it to destroy a racquetball an article way anything better tactically like boyle wild fires perfect i mean if you want a tactical operation
create smoke contaminate your water saw like oh well choirs not so and then there's some discussion of us in some cases and you know horse of inorganic and organic compounds carcinogens and heavy metals that were released in the and complete combustion of all of the rock oil and we issue a direct order theater command headquarters nobody would be anywhere near this stuff without whole respiratory esteem protection without understand a warrior role is all day elites brought billions of a single bow it is immutable it's easily when the bomb cesar millan the cluster arms because all those jobs to kill the other garbo your guy up and we don't think that at that ever happens to us and everybody got
ok that'll only hold we got uranium in this is now nineteen ninety ok or rack invade kuwait so we can direct invaded kuwait i was in cleveland ohio on a stamp visit to a military air show and i spent a weekend with paul tibbets days from the mine anybody know paul tibbets is you ought to his commander the enola gay he's got dropped the first atomic bomb and we talk about the effects of warmer talk about the effects of war on man and to talk about the upcoming workers had already started
and then i spent two three days a week up through november teaching nuclear biological chemical warfare possess my especially there was much relieved when i got a commission in nineteen eighty six for i was seven at a slot that's a ninety four b forty as a fifty four before he it a combat medic an mbc specialist i got a direct commission because are pretty darn good my best friend declined his best to miss because he wanted to stay as an seo and work with the kids then on thanksgiving day of nineteen ninety i get sent to war for the work time i had gone to vietnam for my second to work on thanksgiving day of nineteen sixty nine and on thanksgiving day of nineteen ninety i did the same thing again now that's a little bit more than twenty
years but it don't matter warriors are warriors for life you're right so we got over there and all of a sudden we found out we got a prom were teaching ok there is no mercy medical progress put together has not been out there you gotta remember combat lifesaver program has replaced the medical program when i was a frontline combat infantry in the infantry second battalion of such research from nineteen eighty to nineteen eighty three i'm a medical team leaders called it was really promoted i was a charter company and i had an actual ninety one b mega each one of my company it before my platoons by this time you might have won qualified minute ditty empty at the company at all and i had a whole bunch of combat lifesaver that's about your introductory course the first native american red cross
where she start telling how to start ids so we had teachers and we get we're teaching for biological chemical war for because nobody was prepared as everybody says it's nothing but conjecture but i wasn't worried so much about a lack of use it on us as i was about israel israel use it on air buddy as about united states use in our own stuff on everybody in other words a toxic wasteland which it became and all of a sudden i get a letter in the us mail from the pentagon that understand military message system doesn't work for a loop i do a letter by the us mail gotta remember the mail goes through rain or shine colder snow always comes through a letter word are you did us mail and i got a letter from the pentagon the chief colonel in charge ahead health was assistant pentagon it says dear dog i hold
no do not do lieutenant not do sergeant rock not do flying squirrel do it but i started it about the health and environmental threats uranium emissions now this is right before christmas in nineteen ninety i enlisted in nineteen sixty seven and i go what are uranium nations i never heard of livestrong background were to rescue mercy medicine strong background of this exercise in engineering a laboratory are portions of safety couldn't take long to figure out that we have a real problem down the road and with the completion of the grime or the united states realized that all this uranium nations are the most effective thing you ever been to see in combat you gotta understand the proposal were still a distraught and do you run
as a silver bullet is all as warriors call it kills and destroys everything do you the dj robert abrams tank it not a solid roddy uranium to thirty eight that radi uranium to thirty eight is three quarters of an inch in diameter eighteen inches long and just the uranium rods itself weighs over ten pounds the saints are not coded they're not tapped the thing is all uranium to thirty eight contaminate will put tonia neptunium emory see a majority of two third sex so when those riders are not on the title terry you got to you got a big gun it's a hundred twenty millimeter ordered five
millimeter on him succeed as a what you were wrong ok we got rob's three two one you put the tank round in the back and you get understand your tank a default look only upload would be human ashes and that it goes a b u r their jobs or kill or destroy you don't know what health and environmental threats others want to kill or destroy she put that route into the breach of the gun close up that region the diner gets a targeted both pop and that rankles flying out there at three thousand feet per second flap trajectory it's on fire unbelievable energy in it against anything that it comes in contact with and when it hits it it's already on fire in that uranium around breaks open a sprawling what we call shrapnel or sprawling you have a firestorm beyond comprehension inside that vehicle inside that building and anything that can catch fire go boom goes and
anything that is a job losses and go boom goes and you have a catastrophic the purpose is to kill or destroy it we don't care what the health and environmental groups are now when you open up their brief uranium just goes flying back into the tank when you're outside of uranium because it's been spread out all over the outside the boar the gun on the mozilla too and all along the pappas contaminated and where it fits said vehicle building or structure mr the contamination so extensive that you must sign me you must work all respiratory and skin protection within fifty meters next absolutely required by the us army's common task for any manual that every war who gets reinstated everybody gets it and everybody knew this stuff was toxic from the get go now to take as a great thing right we got this a ten aircraft man this
is a war hawk slow and fast comes on down and destroys everything that's around fires they do you rub each individual ron history course or upon a solid uranium and that they'd far is that at four thousand rounds per minute that's one and a half tons of solid uranium on target home at usc the detonation from that sucker and as you go to work your job now all of a sudden they realize they've got a problem they understand that i'm just a second lieutenant first lieutenant ok all of a sudden i get a message or more the command headquarters this season somebody up but the pentagon told
normandy schwarzkopf gotta go find both get him clean up the do you miss unhappy order appear to do night to this day i figured out why they picked me to do this i can guarantee you that they wish they never head because they don't like what i concluded what i'm doing they don't like that at all so we got up there and i was always scary things i could say that was oh my god the casualties were terrific on the friendly fire for the us side there's a majority that he was killed and wounded were friendly fire for new radium lotions one the animation because it was i shoot ourselves cause you not understand the purpose the killing destroyed and his friend and he had said all rambled up because these commanders are all looney tunes that got these guys shoot at anything that moose there's you know a guy numb it out of the water to clean up our only friendly fire guys are
paid to clean up the front of our kids scrape it up now i do with a six inch putting it at all it's luck of crispy critters man you want to have a barbecue we are used to you well do you want to have a barbecue man i know they all cargo you know you shoot it you cut your meat it was worded do you round those crispy critters accept their people and we couldn't get medical care for the troops has nobody knew how to decontaminate a nobody knew how to clean them up nobody knew how to mend their wounds nobody even knew about what to do to go in there safely one finds some accord calls on modern day again to understand any time a general says eight and uses your first
made you know he ain't gonna have a good day because he needs your but they put your button from the machine gun and you ain't got a flak jacket and he says my second brigade commander second armored division had a bad day you want to open a lap and patchy but up so we went up there floating phrases or personal helicopter land in the middle of a minefield to be told raul destructive power like a typical raul with tippy toe to rile i have had to bring his wounds had a close is when i had it decontaminated and set himself i'm a combat medic health loses on the science teacher and i'm doing surgery on the back and won't tanks open a rack because the doctors and nurses had to touch it well why does lead on my red cross flight that i carried money bag
and back that tank i took care of that guy was santa monica merry way cause god understand he's a warrior he bought all shot up all one loser close is gonna go charge overseeing domestic debt he just keeps going i've played today is on permanent museum are at the commanding general's office for three third of medical brigade fort sheridan illinois was advise blow it all over an art that a war what we took that we found out we got up there we saw the wolves and lo and behold we started at the set we started to sit with and wanted to date because of its border by inhalation an adjusted and absorption it's bolstered respiratory problems it takes the known as far back as nineteen forty three and letter general leslie groves telling us military use radioactive materials to
contaminate your water soil it the original dirty bomb them all and what this memo came out they told it lock stock and barrel direct quotes guy's direct quote there are no ways to provide p p e there's no way to protect one from exposure and there's no no medical care there you can't do it ninety three in a cell that the internal medicine brought to irritation come in on one of you are so few days of criminal lung damage occurring much later you know in nineteen forty three now right now ladies in jail right now thousands upon thousands of our sons and daughters our second died from respiratory problems in golf or two and they can't get medical care
and they come home and they die on their kitchen or inattention in their living room i was up in boston in august that with us marines and i'd just come back one of those also said they're also get everything we can get medical care and so we better do it these are the folders what's going to happen they never got a medical care before that gunnery sergeant robb did in his living room two days later or you know at the us department of the answers about the respiratory problems right now it's really exciting the united states department of dance official correspondences as an outline landscape you know all as a profession medical professionals refer to metlife amidst a permit medical information this is the current literature if doctors and nurses don't see it in the current literature don't exist right back quo the apartment of fences advisor central command
personnel that cigarette smoking particularly the initiation of smoking might be associated with all these respiratory problems domestic october first two thousand and three totally astonishing it like hello i'm the uranium addition health effects now we started it basically started to go up in the rations we started second to control research and we were the medical care and nobody gave a tool or fried we know they were serious health problems we got understand what i did not drop a sunday are in massachusetts started the work and i do get a memorandum through the us army of that i get more than one memorandum on down from the command staff and one in particular that i got his caucus of trumpet offense nuclear agency letters and these are the new key guys usually operator doesn't blow everything up and kurt weill wrote to me and status quo
as explosive ordnance disposal ground combat units and civil populations of saudi arabia kuwait or act comic recently contact with the orders we must prepare to deal with potential problems toxic war souvenirs or with some of the issues that must be addressed all the particles as his uranium oxide does from expanded routes as a whole concert but baker particles and fragments remain intact rounds is a serious fault rare i did for a while i figured this out you know the us navy commander the average bottle for this label district that point blank told the tribesmen in this district that the uranium rods are soon up all over the bay out here in puget sound don't have any adverse health affects and they're not dangerous to you they told that to us congressman the navy admiral in charge of this desperate sad point lead nic in the memorandum go see jim mcdermott the day iran's were fired all over in puget sound
out of miracles pose no risk of harm to you quote crowe great reluctance the great conceits of this year mccain really more than likely the air more just flat lives number one open water why he lives would tell you why the lies he wants to continue the use of the lethal weapon uranium rounds nah i joined the military nineteen sixty seven okay i took an oath to defend the constitution against all enemies and ordered the mass i took an oath to obey the orders a bit of the orders and direct as he offers a bombing that goes on up to the president the united states i got the greatest or i'll never dreamed of in my life and to read this to you ok
this one's really get that understand and dissolute tenet ok apple to clean up this mess bottom drawer norman schwarzkopf in this and then i did the same for raven it says was now i hope that it's a serious health threat so arnold is probably and then i get this or to repeal los alamos new mexico anybody know what they make their bombs right studies and analysis went from lieutenant colonel michael seemed dated one march nineteen ninety one subject depleted uranium controversial there is a relatively among the lethality data for the iranian penetrators either the tank fire along parishioner the gao hugh grant park near a tent closer support aircraft the recent war has likely multiplied the number of uranium
rods started targeted by orders of magnitude it is believed that the depleted uranium penetrated were very effective against iraqi armor however assessments of such will have to be made there has been and continues to be a concern regarding the attack the dui on the embargo therefore had no one makes the case for the effectiveness of depleted uranium on the battlefield depleted uranium rods may become politically unacceptable and thus be deleted from the arsenal it really penetrated prove their workers are recent combat activities then we should ensure their future existence through service and the parma defense proponents are proposing is not garnered is possible that we stand to lose a valuable combat capability i believe we should keep this sensitive issue at mine
one ever after action reports are written respectfully lieutenant colonel michael c daley got a direct order to lie and cover up a help upwards of uranium is used on the battlefield at the same time the colonel gregory lyle said cool alpha particles or you might say it doesn't expand it rouses and often served a beta particles in fragments from attack rises a serious health threat now i know why that an atm over this district issued the rod off of the coast here you know why he has lied to congress would you know why he's while you are is a direct order telling a lie i did ally we got up there to clean this thing up and i don't understand the us military us navy says my team and i didn't do this work but you know all warriors get
medals they get a medal you know you might get some promotion points but you still got a pt boat can do pt anymore we could do pt during or cause we're already set well what we did out there under all oppressors conditions as we collect that contained secured research and medically duran contaminated impeccably applause prepare a detailed plan for the spoils of the contaminated what the court made a plan for execution what circumstances change completely developed an alternate plan and courted for execution and noble time a little supervision and the solo work advice medical importance of the hazards of the eu contamination and recommended martin porter affected individuals also did something else i established procedures survey captured and nick
weber has literal importation impact in a sense that the taliban i liked it when a plan comes together we wrote our reporter to park seen three months to process twenty four vehicle for shipment back to the united states that's fifteen abrams tanks and then i'm bradley fighting vehicles the rest of the bradley fighting vehicles that were shot up and destroyed with the us soldiers in them i buried in the desert with the remains of us soldiers i could not remove because when the stock goes up it's full of unexploded ordnance is for other kind of comeback that hazardous materials and all you gotta do is look wrong and unexploded ordnance in it blows up in your face and people die at three of my guys died i know
we wrote our reporter directed medical care the theater command directed medical care eye april thomas little direct the medical care for all these casualties be performed immediately this was in nineteen ninety one and the commanding general gave me a medal for dylan and i can't get medical care for not all of us from a park at least from it for the tens of thousands of us soldiers were exposed germans everybody of the coalition forces i can't get medical care for the iraqis that were boarded has survived i can't get medical care for the children that are dying the purpose of more secular destroyed and as madeleine albright stated collateral damage is a row well we got back her book now reports together us army without a total willful violation of violating us federal code
in the national a bar more protection act their trash and people here are tracing your ballot right here right now they don't care in the rear admiral of this district has told us progress in the residences area that he shouldn't be around all over the place out here and they will cause at romney doesn't care now you tell me we're anybody has the right to take solid radioactive waste and fraud in anybody's backyard weatherby in puget sound the pacific ocean chesapeake they the edges of puerto rico or interact is flat wrong and somebody needs to hold these cans accountable now we start what knowledge stuck together identified always problems and i get another order and now
like a lot of money i can't do it you can't beat it you frown upon by everybody around when you're sick and you go for medical care your frown upon everybody rock your call easier courtship was no surge of polite terms as ida were really use the words that are used force and we were all sit and let me tell you we used to run all day and jump and buildings at a single bow can do what you're in the army you're self esteem almost to nothing but when you're so damn sad that you can't do what it don't matter how well you wanted to how much you want to do it don't matter how healthy you work you can't do it and the families fall apart and the soldier falls apart and the pastors fall apart that are trying to take care of the soldiers because nobody remembered that
the pastor has a chaplain's somebody's gotta hold them when they're taking care of everybody else to fall apart couple days ago i gave a talk and ceo washington apollo congressman james mcdermott god bless that may yet another peaceful and a va doctor from the va hospital there and they told us how that apartment offenses will only verify by nice general accounting office did not provide the pre deployment health those roles required for all the troops before they went to war they are not provided medical care during the war and theyre not provided medical care when they come back for more because according to many statements caused by salty congratulations
ok so anyhow we got a real problem in the other night after i completed my talk and stand with the pastor of stand with militants was also the church but you know what and emma turner also knowledge saw was a pastor holy man and his arms as a father just thought outside a butcher shop no laughter and the men last friday or sadder adult all blurred together come in rapid city south dakota to give a talk and a woman stands up to the announcers my husband has died mother's sons all shot up just a bacharach and i got one more or to solve a bag and i don't know what's happening first option the
purpose of war sick you were destroyed in the commanders don't know how we're up to help in a bar militants and when the warriors center they don't provide medical care is verify and we wonder what's wrong and we went to war over illegal war claimed a racket weapons of mass destruction remedies in the forty five minutes they had all kinds of capability they could attack everybody around well they didn't have a defensive capability we won in the arctic there but simply waits and they've never found any of the chemical biological or nuclear bombs are also get ready to use and forty five minutes you know why cause we boom all up we knew we did scott roeder is set at i have set of consequences so richard bove were set up what's wrong well we put all the orders together were trying to get medical care and finally in march of nineteen ninety three the us army she was a direct a protocol for modern call for veterans with embedded depleted uranium
frightens quo no compelling evidence was far alluded to review the changes or surgical criteria for fragment removal and other words leave the uranium pregnant in the body you know i would tell you what they wanted to do quantification documentation of the talks a logical heavy metal toxicity and radiological cancer tissue across the force of them betty liu radiate pregnant by one measure an undocumented uranium levels any soldier uses in vivo and in vitro techniques that means inside outside the body determine the parameters of miles needed to translate uranium levels in the body and to estimate an increased cancer risk from exposure to really compare in the clinical course of the body's response to do you frightens with that of other ninety euphrates determine whether
clinically significant differences exist either do the chemical or radiological properties are depleted uranium and for the terminals for chronic kidney toxicity due to long term chronic exposure to elevated levels of uranium and just can't get medical care a science teacher but that is a lot he drew racked up telling to lead the shrapnel in the warriors to find out how safe they get i'll boss wrote there's a mild loss wrote this and at this tiny plot points stated goal anybody it's treating uranium anything greater than two hundred and fifty micrograms per day of tall uranium was in continuous weekly medical care centers are whole host of medical procedures year the toxicity two hundred fifty
micrograms for uranium army medical care or short order get the advanced at commander's order order that could be promised that the problem now in nineteen ninety four i don't recall active duty is the director of the depleted uranium product if i'm just a captain on the university scientists are morgan mr wyatt alderson i get re order back to active duty again ok now this is nineteen ninety four i came in nineteen sixty seven an already sick my staffers or a second i am right these are second eye and the children are second i am but i got to go back and figure out how to comply with written directives a general erosion sec gen odierno said provide medical care for everybody to provide education are treated everybody in figuring out a clean up the environment
ok now i got all these orders to emotion psyche says it's now generally or concerted the president as they said in march of this year the health and environmental threats the war is about the adverse effects are active propaganda afghanistan propaganda bought the guys a lot of propaganda and you know also said that about propaganda coming from us citizens and the actors puerto rico so we got up there we did all or teleport operate together in a lovely little girl tate until we reached our conclusions but at the same time i do research in nevada test site that understand our lives and sciences or university professor that sits down to read the book to try to figure out what the ultimate primal thirty regular rounds are persistent prize reader book determine whether or not they're safe or not
dog walker wilder stuff up by berner stop a major contamination i see what happens but let me tell you you can't get it published in the peer reviewed literature because there's no laboratory controls when you're blowing things up and people are dying around you and your training there's always a horrible know that's reality and that is just a problem of energy department in radio by last eight s on the end november of nineteen ninety four they got the test results confirm all medically approved the confirmed date of march six and nineteen ninety five that i personally was excluding uranium at over fourteen hundred micrograms per day they know i had kidney prawns i knew i had respiratory crimes i knew i had rats they knew that members of it had already developed cancer and died and they didn't tell me for two and a half years that i was creating
uranium to five thousand times permissible level even though crowd that since faded base was the enemy hadn't weekly medical care and it would have to be problems for a thing about two hundred and fifty i was or fourteen hundred that's what they did they would you think to do with a kiss or nineteen ninety three the united states was going to go into somalia where we're going to use your emotions in somalia over more drama around it tackles a really dangerous she got huge radium out they put our writer director for the pentagon requiring medical care within twenty four hours for anybody exposed uranium edition's quo we have the most of the smoke and the eu far it's resulted from the boarding the vehicles up well with the emissions or depots in which to be a mission to be in store working with and that's continued to you just residue from the virus had been without a structure vehicle was struck with the human notions covers everything
that's a writer director from the pentagon october fourteenth nineteen ninety three and it's never been complied with is this day for anybody for the majority of friendly fire for the coalition for the enemy for the children for the residents of jefferson proving ground in indiana for the residents of this region and you got an effort here you know in nineteen ninety two african is my doctorate i was as connor take over responsibility for cleanup effort and i go because it's a situation because you've got all this water canal got a columbia river the top contender with uranium emissions in uranium rods in uranium personally other trends are attics and their stuff is in the water and you people are directed and eaten the food the water and i actually very quiet and i talked to a
pathologist to the cantor's canada roberts wrote in the larry saddam through that whole system are way higher than support to be in this area october nineteen forty three what would put everything together or was real funny when i got order to do that the product i get one of those welcoming letters go to the army and he says go ahead and do the work and remember you get no funding got no money though not the adult that allowed just get the job so phenomenal mother order or we put all this stuff together and at one time an officer evaluation report yet another the military runs out of valuations doesn't serve as with the do everything they say can block a service on a subject matter expert on the effects of the plea during on a battlefield and semi intermediate reader comments i didn't
do it was work or not sure what i should launch an all that original question and nobody showed up the pope depleted uranium no threat us service direct call ceo paulson told answer may seventh two thousand and three corker is not really any differently so we know about where the people are actually tenor colonel michael sigman deputy surgeon for us army's fifth corps he said children play with its better tank shells would have to eat can practically suffocate under the plea hearing and residents before a health problems can occur segment told reporters a ten year study of us soldiers expose the depleted uranium or the ball four showed some of slightly higher levels of uranium phrases amir but no kidney problems knowlton there's a bone captures another study of those
available clean up the depleted uranium from battlefield showed no abnormalities he said while percent disability well my guys where they have cancers that are real problem is they're not given medical care anybody in golf or two because it's so there's no promise and yet we're going back and saying the kids to play with eight minute rounds greatly while since a serious health threat will curl send them us to talk to the analysts labeled this trip they both agree you could play was solid uranium around you control with a bloodied backyard cause you're immune from prosecution your immune from the was a man tied to your mutual was about well we put all the stuff together we develop procedures to clean up uranium contamination forest damage spirits are gone out there and
blown up equipment certain fired its top blown up rallies fully loaded locate lord would be human issues should not tanks and find out what happens there what i had verified one hundred percent from research in nevada desert ninety four ninety five confirmed what i knew from the desert nineteen ninety one you got a pleasantly pick up that entire describe it would put in your big hole you get physically pick up each and every radio broadest what lay under his government worker a while since a serious salt right there is you got to take a bulldozer and they got all that are about two hundred meters radius is about three hundred feet of put that into a big hole that you've got it covered already returned that will be able to churches schools are crossing guard on that stop and turns it up now we already did that would bury all tied to chemical munitions and they build houses on it and it turned out that everybody got sick and diversity is still second i'm anybody remember the term love canal
well funny you barry just recently read on how you barry oh act out you bury kuwait followed you barry how do you very concord massachusetts did you know a star that makes uranium rounds at concord massachusetts and the cancer's and the birth defects in the respiratory problems are devastating the children and resonance of concord massachusetts sometimes i get a little messy michael's soldiers them into medicaid from concord massachusetts to create this country and the town where our country was created is now a toxic wasteland where the children are dying from uranium rods made by the us army it's time to
stop the nonsense well we started our programs we got the training that we get the environmental procedures put together i wrote directed acted and made video for the us military the prominent that approved by naval i got medals all over the place for doing the stuff my whole team did and they don't teach anything to the kit right now those kids that went to war get maybe twenty minutes on common test rape and health and environmental threat uranium rounds and i can guarantee of her doing the research about the prom together it's forty hours and the doctors and nurses don't have to provide medical care but that doesn't matter respiratory problem caused by uranium rounds thank you from uranium which voters as they did in nineteen forty three mulder do from initiation of smoking while you're in the desert order after order is up here you want to know what really topped that off pro bob sheriff had radiation
safety officer for the pentagon washington dc in a response to kathleen sullivan in nineteen ninety eight answer this question army regulation says all actual or alleged overexposure ionizing radiation will be investigative report in our army regulation forty there's forty an army regulation three to five years for any incidence were investigative reporter during the call for nafta clear question that intersect at league had only answers kathleen had the regulations she talked all the satirical to talk to the doctors she knew that it had to be done government regulations apply to the army all the time you can exempt regulation just as your war and what colonel bob kerry wrote to kathleen sullivan pour over exposure to ionizing radiation is not applicable to the
point arming repeat that again or rich portrait of ionizing radiation is not applicable to deploy unarmed in other words you can zap the kids as much as you want with radiation from nuclear bombs ready like a mature uranium rods and the army is not responsible and it doesn't matter how much they did ladies and gentlemen if you know anybody was born a military today was a good employer they use the uranium rods are there that apart new boss like they want to do right now you better tell the lake again because or fly crazy better and come see the past three or should be better handle see psychiatry is because the army has stated very specifically or exposure is not applicable that employed arm well you know some of you guys ever tell a peace movement says i got involved in a peace movement through an arrest and how do the warrior gene involved in the peace movement and i'm going to sell
i teach law enforcement to contradict carter has been in the military since nineteen sixty seven my retirement or just came through couple weeks ago but you know when everybody got sick and we're trying to get everything done i could get it done now the second trip this week the president of the united states it billy clanton you're young or al gore nba history to make it off it'll look like kent can't ruin comparison of those two cards the secretary of defense told the prisoner the united states in nineteen ninety eight that during golf for one we had a hundred and thirteen individuals have survived friendly fire incidents not michaels a hundred twenty three but what what's the investigating officer and they told the president the united states on september twenty eight of nineteen ninety eight that a
hundred and forty of your sons and daughters require medical care for uranium if voters but they had only notified fifty six of all they told the plaza in the united states or four hundred twenty four the little from friendly fire and members of my team that required immediate medical care for uranium exposure as required by medical directors direct orders always slide from john what exactly got a little bit rocky but they only notified unintelligible if you listen to the pentagon briefing jim crow model and the last piece for rolling stone magazine we get that issue sold out all over the place to see a naked britney spears on the cover in our story and to you my story follows right after naked britney spears for some days you'll likely that you know it's like i got to get them at home and nobody said a word
disillusionment but they as state or oregon there provided medical care less and seven ios well yeah they're given medical care less and seventies let me tell you what happens on that well up the baltimore va finally the committee during april in march of nineteen ninety nine other says actor i got a point the center for disease control gulf war illnesses they fight all the health that's all michael brown's army i do have a combat disability for status specifically once i got sick and i found the problems by doctoring never called me back since nineteen ninety nine and never been returned with jerry wayne as sergeant bradley fighting vehicle was braley was shot by two hundred twenty millimeter rounds far by an abrams tank gunner he got it he was for shrapnel and never gave him the medical care because of the nineteen ninety three order leave the shrapnel in his body he developed tumors in his left shoulder with you rain
shrapnel embedded in his shoulder and right at the time obama less than a week after they took the tumors on a shoulder were up in washington dc is not a shoulder and it was ominous line is that the suitor stolen or they have just remove the tumors with uranium embedded in the tumors and the guy that wrote that directed the lead it likely that in there sat between the two lovers and he said sorry about you guys got up ruled that the tumors were caused by the uranium that's imbedded in the tumors that we just remove from her shoulder at the main it was there really couldn't do a billy club and induced low l gore knew what else poured into school well today ladies and gentlemen we use thousand tons in afghanistan the medical evidence and came back from direct analysis of the year are from the afghan refugees of the population's out there that live in
tents in caves in camels that they're screaming you write about five to seven thousand dr permissible level other a no uranium out there except the uranium rods which are winner we get the kids sick and i'm all over iraq saudi arabia kuwait which of the residents of the uk is puerto rico second i can't report about respiratory and kidneys we gather residents in the areas of jefferson proving ground southeastern indiana and my kids are much deficit and i can't get medical care and we know what the two catholic college football pool want you and all the group prayer mr prominent that of the first formal report calls or service member statistics dated may of two thousand and two really september of two thousand and two as well maybe two thousand and two two hundred twenty one thousand five hundred two of our nation's
sons and daughters that serve the person go from august of nineteen ninety through many of two thousand and two are now partly disable it anywhere from ten to one hundred percent white for someone for a nation sons and daughters they could run all daily problems in a single bot are now disabled then that destroys families communities and they can't get medical care as confirmed by and i says general accounting office refused to buy the printed one of those bills has refused to provide medical care outside and travel segment a said i don't need to get medical care for because there's no health affect and the kids are sick and dying all over the place it's due to smoking this way
when you go to war the purpose of course until one destroyed when you go to war you tell the soldier to charge a machine gun nests that you promise a medical care and what is happening today as the leaders of our nation the generals in charge of the military leaders of the pentagon and the president of the united states has remained on that promise to provide medical care to your sons and daughters when they send them to war with defective gas masks with m sixteens are jammed with and sixties it don't work with tires a blowout why does communicate a slanted education against an enemy that anyone and only and depress off the identity bible when another houses rupp taken a stop awake taken their jobs away setting up roadblocks film a temple appointed a point the search and their women
she says and we blew up a nation to free the balkans afghanistan a rack ladies and gentlemen i understand if there is a real threat against my nation i'll kill the heartbeat but there's no threat against my nation i'll be darned if i'm going to go to war and killed just for the pure joy of it or just to see what happens with cold disregard for collateral damage and cold disregard for the open a prominent that not only on our soldiers our coalition allies and i'm actually it's flat wrong i'm a warrior elite understand the warriors
mentality but you need to understand the warriors concern and when a quarter of a million of our nation's sons and daughters went to war and one wore an operable a disabled and now the catholic opera la for two was over seven thousand been medically evacuated our intersection all of castro's inner philip the hospital so fast that they're putting up and the hotels and motels around the military hospitals but that everybody in orbit or six soldiers were wounded in combat have to pay for their meals that's our been all over the news that's ok your serve our nation and he got shot up on weight to pay for your food i'm a warrior but there's something wrong i been abandoned by four years have been abandoned
the ideals of our nation of a bit abandoned the mothers and the fathers have been abandoned and we forgot something else we abandon the principles of the man whose house for him it's time for the nonsense to stop i come from a land a lincoln abraham lincoln tribe the judicial circuit a wrong right will and at sixty three when he dedicated a battlefield where the sons and daughters of our nation died at gettysburg fighting each other he made it clear that we never forget the sacrifice they may he made it very clear that we also need to remember something else and to date that last part of his talk is a dire threat in this nation
if you remember when on a memoir i said that last part of that speech said that government of the people by the people and for the people shall never perish from the earth when you abandon your nation sons and daughters where you abandoned what's right before god and morality when you go to work for geopolitical economic control totally disregard the health and environmental effects of war our nation i met with dennis kucinich the other morning i had the pleasure of having breakfast with him i got it i got a commitment from him to do everything that he can both as a member of congress and as a presidential correct direct candidate to correct the problems and bring democracy back to our nation to remember what lincoln's immortal words were several years
ago we had a copper it's under united nations' unesco child and the family in athens greece in the mega ran countries of the world under the united nations the leaders of the country all the nobel laureates old what was warriors and scientists and doctors came together to discuss the health and baumohl effects of war on children and then at the end of that talk at the end of the coppers be the club and i guess of the vice president of greece close the coppers you got nations of the world to north korea south korea and nations represented nations of the world that are fighting each other they're at war with each other while we're in the main draw and they close at coppers and they had a unesco a beautiful woman on a beautiful woman and my pleasure to know what about
children we got it together we got it together fb fb to reach peace because if we continue to
do more contaminated air water soil to kill our sons and daughters and they can say to kill the children of the world and make them sick the prophecy of this involves the prophecy of all nations the prophecy of all religious in all cultures the prophecy that a child actually just a peaceful variety of nineteen sixty seven yeah i'm a warrior but ladies and gentleman i made a conscious decision i want you to join me to de palma to be a warrior for peace will you join me thank you the peak it is ok the
question is what about all the astronomical cancer leukemia rates in everything there are happening throughout theory for uranium emissions are not absolutely confirmed ok no two ways about their there however one thing significant things happen at the center for disease control conference in february nineteen ninety nine march nineteen ninety nine we attempted to get a full epidemiological studies started all these not all the american wars but everybody else effect the president of the united states flat out stop now as far as cleaning uranium on your body after you get exposed to well if you could do well what's called though radio by leslie determine how much a god in their best articulation therapy rapidly you may be able to get out your body but anybody that's involved in medicine no circulation therapy isn't just for a more dangerous procedure it tears up a kidney and with cars all kinds of special precautions in a hospital well you came to get the
analysis within two months how you best articulation therapy that you need to do with them two ways we haven't got the analysis but within two months so what is it not just like i told general grocer nineteen forty three there is no medical treatment once you get zapped by radiation my life's been to destroy the soldiers' lives have been destroyed the family's lives had been destroyed thousands upon thousands of individuals and expose your emissions of lives have been destroyed in northern they can do for us medical use give us some stabilization to improve the quality of our life which you never get well next question then he'll get a four okay this she's confused because of the basic thing that were going out for saddam but then the
moccasin all of locations number one were not defending democracy in any new locations number two number two and explain something about or you don't care whether the dictator and it's a mindset oh you're i had a discussion that had a lot of discussions or the years on this one last couple years and he would come in here and the individuals in the peace movement that or not warriors are coming from an ethical moral point of view that's actually correct indeed in what you need to understand to understand the warrior and to stop the nonsense it's happening you got ago within the mind of the warrior and get the warrior to change within his own perspective you can't take a walk up to a warrior an ask i'm with him a hug and a kiss and ask them to stop let me tell you ive killed
no doubt there's other people who are there in the water it never dreamed how much of a high it is and you're going to do it well you get paid or not because the one the war and go on a war and bring him back from war is all about you and your friends want to get your job done a comeback ellen first animal tag on ninety three dollars a month and i talked to the nine three dollars and twenty cents and this is what it's really about what this is all about more than that in a relationship between the nuclear industry in that apartment offense that understand ninety nine percent of everything goes in the nuclear industry to make reactor fuel barges waste and that's what uranium to thirty eight years but that's with depleted uranium as your intimate support ninety nine percent of everything goes enters waste but what it but got all the stuff it's even more important in that most of what effect in your community right now
okay technology that we use in the industry and eight record for a medicine and housing development has got so many toxic industrial chemicals there were continuously put into our air our water and our soil there were incorporated in our food that were seen horrible catchers and birth defects and learning disabilities and respiratory promptly prompted a wholesale horseradish rational medical brahms their duty and romola occupational exposures call for ill as a quarter of a million of our nation's finest sons and daughters is only a snapshot of the real problem the real promise captain kelly says to also total agreement typically runs voices and wilderness and they don't know or has a friend of mine hope she gets a nobel prizes countries are ok to serve that job in a deal first when they get that a part of the base put in the white house would tell you she ought to be made the first cabinet level member the part of greece as my purse full opinion we are accounts ok
what this is all about to date technology is gone so while that the industrial look all toxic industrial chemical while article three a lot of use every try parked only have an effect than i was we have disregarded health in a bar built that's a technology on society and so when we bring up these issues and try to do this we're going at the whole root cause of what's happened but not if we all stand up and say no more there was some like denise nichols in chaplin sherman rebuttal but said a long time ago and i totally believe the right you wanna stop the nonsense you want to get everything back together will go to work together and we'd do something but what we do is we mobilize god's army to stand up to do what's right in the leader said don't wanna listener don't what tribal get him out of office it's been a bit as the leaders are in office and they do something wrong we give them a diet we
try and in one hangar book it's time to regain it and do what's right but regular order to do that we tell you you can't he personified inside the pentagon at this a department that's the us or the government did this no kilpatrick jackson sherry rumsfeld colin yeah what the woods pearl it get your whole bunch of other names that i know firsthand with if there's a lot more hope they hold accountable for what they've done that's four stops the money on average something also a push to say now this is going to be a sore point out the weather some other military personnel or not all agree with me but sometime fish that saved no more everybody knows during the nazi regime in what happened in germany the death camps and took a devastating toll on it but had disagreed with not just israelis
who was belgian the doctor was polish it was french was drummer quickly understand that the individual warriors and soldiers that followed those directives in order to mate a choice to bring those people on the gas and do all the horrible experiment on it there's no doubt in history what happened it was flat wrong but it can never happen again they'll make a recommendation you wanna stop the nonsense you would stop the friendly fire you want to stop the killing of civilians the children contaminate your water and soil when you get that tank gunner the far said do you round at no such wrongs common sense he knows it's wrong you take that gun to put on trial had a ten pilot that far said board op ed roth and kills everybody in the area we put him on trial that guided tour
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Health Effects of Depleted Uranium (disc 2)
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Dr. Douglas Rokke speaks at the First Unitarian Church in Portland, Oregon about the Health Effects of Depleted Uranium. He speaks about his experience cleaning up depleted uranium following the Gulf War and treating veterans exposed to depleted uranium. The event was coordinated by Peace and Justice Works and the Iraq Affinity Group and cosponsored by several other community groups.
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