Speech by Presidential Candidate Bob Dole and Follow-Up Commentary on New Hampshire Primary

The honorable United States senator from Kansas Bob Dole and Mrs. Dole. This morning we will hear an address from Senator Bob Dole of Kansas Republican candidate for president. Senator Dole grew up in Kansas purry during the Depression at age 20. He left college to enlist in the United States Army as a platoon leader in the 10th Mountain Division. He was critically wounded and decorated twice for

his heroic action in combat after the war he struggled to recover from his wounds. He finished college in law school and went on to serve in the Kansas state legislature and the county attorney's office. Bob Dole has been a member of the United States Senate since 1968 and is now Senate Majority Leader. I give you Bob Dole. Thank you very much.

An honor to be here. I never get this attention in the Senate chamber in Washington. Just dragged out. But I don't that's why it works but it is an honor to be here and I want to thank the speaker and the governor and Charlie Bass and Bill Zella my friend Judd Gregg. I'm very grateful for this invitation. Nothing like a good night's sleep. I have long been a fan of the great New England poet Robert Frost. But I found an area where. We have a very slight disagreement. You see Mr. Frost once wrote that New Hampshire and Vermont are the two best states in the union. I hope you'll forgive me this morning if I said New Hampshire and Iowa are the two best states in the.

One New Hampshire right. I don't disagree with is the only veteran of this chamber to assert his present United States our 14th president Franklin Pierce over a century and a half ago Pierce had this to say about Congress and I quote in a body where there are more than 100 talking lawyers you can make no calculation about the determination of any debate. And frequently the more trifling a subject the more animated and protected the discussion. Hasn't changed at all. And my colleague Senator Thurmond says he remembers hearing bears speak. I've had this opportunity once before. I appreciated it then and I know that there are

Republicans and Democrats those supporters and other supporters in this room body want to do just came the wrong meaning it happens everywhere. But I want you to know as you already know. That the eyes of the nation are trained here waiting for your judgment. Week from the day your judgment on who should lead America stand before you on this bright morning. In this historic hall. Is a very high privilege 208 years ago the people of this state rendered another verdict with a profound effect on America's future. On June 21st 1788 New Hampshire ratified the Constitution United States providing the necessary approval of three quarters of the states and the vote to ratify the constitution was important but so was the list of amendments.

New Hampshire attached to it. And let me tell you what the first one was you probably know and I quote that it be explicitly claim that all powers not expressly and particularly delegated by the aforesaid Constitution are reserved to the several States to be by them exercised. That became the tenth amendment the constitution and it states I care that a copy around here in fact. So what you started became the 10th amendment the constitution. Twenty eight words in length and we've dusted this off in the last couple of years and we've taken another look at it as your predecessors did in New Hampshire in 1788. And this is what the amendment finally said The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution and the Constitution and give those powers to the federal government nor prohibited by it to the states.

The Constitution didn't Privett power to the states then the powers are reserved to the States respectively or to the people. Now think about that for far too long. We've seen power drifting to Washington. And the government does a lot of good. Don't misunderstand me the Federal Government. We've had this power shift going on year after year after year administration after administration. And we believe we believe Republicans and yes many Democrats in the Congress are United States it's time to send some of the power back. As understood by our founding fathers and what was their concern. They were concerned about this domineering central government with too much power over the states and over the people. And so I'm running for bread because I believe we have reached the defining moment. A defining moment in our national history because we've drifted for far too long

away from the values and philosophy that shaped America. And I believe the choices we make this year it's going to be a long year. But the choices we finally make in November 1996 will determine the character of our nation. And the future of our children. Long into the next century. And that's why I believe that this election year and the election itself. And what happens here next Tuesday is so important. Look at the world we live in exploding all around us is a great global revolution regime after oppressive regime has fallen. As freedom replaces tyranny people everywhere are rising up to claim their god given rights to individual liberty as we did more than 200 years ago. Today the light of freedom and hope is shining in places where we saw despair and

darkness would always reign. And you can see it on the faces of the people who come to watch the leaders in Eastern Europe the former Soviet Union. They come to America not for foreign aid. They come to America and we have opportunity to discuss. Their problems our problems our relationships with foreign leaders some are young and some are old some are man and some are women. Some are leaders of the party. Some are leaders of their country and the one thing that I have found in common with almost everyone that I've met with over the last five years wherever they may be from when they leave they all say about the same thing. They say it sometimes with tears running down their cheeks. You know what they say we do they don't say we want foreign aid or we want this or give us this. What they say is we want to be like America. We want to be

like America. That's what they say. I mean. So there is this great paradox this new world of freedom depends on the restraint and inspiration found and time tested values. All the men and women have characters you know and this body. Can make freedom work and only a government controlled by the people can it's like the people's virtues. And as we close this century and prepare to enter the next. That's the challenge of America and that is why I have come to New Hampshire today. That is the challenge of America as we define our campaign and outline our agenda in the weeks and months ahead. It is not very difficult. Love of God love of family

love of community things like decency and honesty and integrity and discipline and self-reliance. Things that we learned from our parents. Things we try to instill in our children and our grandchildren. A willingness to sacrifice. Born from about boundless confidence in the future. These are the values the American people and I believe as you believe that they made us the greatest country on the face of the earth. They are the values I grew up with as many of you did. And I also believe that America's troubles today are due in a large part in a large part to the erosion of those values by our culture and our government and our institutions. And I believe that the secret to getting that country back on track is return of these basic values. As a matter of national policy. If America.

If America yearns for moral leadership it is not to correct a fault in the American people but to stop our government. And stop our culture from creating faultlines in our society. Truth and Hope are moral attributes. America needs right now in our leaders and each of us must do all in our power to provide them. And let me start with truth. Because we need some fixed points to help chart our course and truth. Not a bad place to start. It is true that the era of big government is over. President Clinton said as much in his State of the Union address. But it is also true that the structure of big government remains largely in place. It is still so large that it takes an average family. Hundred and twenty to 150 days of work each year just to support it. It still closes the

doors of businesses all across America. Tickly small business because of regulations and taxes and mandates. Small businessmen and small. Business women cannot tolerate. And it still betrays the poor with the welfare system whose failure is evident in the St.. Shame of our slums. And the violence of our streets and the decline of our families in a year of heroic effort. When Congress made our first assault on the Citadel the big government was one of our first acts. We followed the New Hampshire model and we passed a bill to end unfunded mandates. Which we think about the day has passed that we will pass the buck to New Hampshire because we don't have the money and require this legislative body the Senate and the House and the governor to come up with the money

to implement some mandate and leave on high. From Washington D.C. We passed tax relief for our family and think about it. What's wrong with giving back money to families with children. Eighty five percent of our package went to fat working families with children $500 tax credit for every child under 18. So if you have two children two thousand dollars three fifty nine or whatever. And we also Plast passed a measure to strengthen and preserve and rescue Medicare for the elderly. Much as we did back in 1983 when Ronald Reagan was president and Tip O'Neill a pretty good Democrat and speaker. And so security is about to go broke. As a way that we've got to stop this. Let's take it out of politics. We're scaring to many senior citizens and they did that and they formed a commission a bipartisan commission. And I was proud to serve on that commission with people like Claude Pepper the Democrat a Democrat

from Florida the champion of senior citizens and we rescued Social Security and the checks are still coming on time for 37 million Americans who are frightened to death. That their checks might not come at all. I remember going home to visit my mother. Your only income is Social Security and little rental income. And every time I walked in the IT AND I DON'T touch myself security Don't touch my Social Security because I'm not going to touch your Social Security. We're trying to save and strengthen and preserve it. And that's what the Medicare debate is all about. Let's stop right senior citizens. Let's stop frightening veterans. Let's lay it out let's do it. A non-partisan bipartisan way. We ought to do it the way we did 19 in 1983 with Social Security. So it seems to me that we're on the right track. I think one thing that we've done to people in New Hampshire like very much. As you do it every year

we presented a balanced budget for the first time in a generation. The first time in a generation we signed a balanced budget. And I would say to my Democratic colleagues in the chamber. You know after 40 years you got to give us a little credit. We waited 40 years. 40 years a long time. That we felt obligated to keep our promise to the next generation. This is not a game. This is not Democrats versus Republicans this is not Bob Dole versus Bill Clinton. This is not a course in arithmetic. It's a balanced budget. It's fundamentally changing policy. And why. Why. Because we're told by the experts. That if we do that.

Interest rates would drop 2 percent or 2 percent on a student loan a car loan a home loan or whatever and a 2 percent drop in interest rates is like a tax cut. And that happens every time you are required to borrow money. So it seems to me that we're on the right path. And I'm certain Democrats and Republicans in this chamber. Would agree on the right path. You want a balanced budget you're required to have a balanced budget. We say OK let's do it in seven years let's do it in seven years. The sad truth is all these things we talked about welfare reform tax cuts for same. Families saving Medicare a balanced budget didn't happen. Because President Clinton chose to veto each one. We haven't given up.

President says he still wants an agreement. Maybe so maybe not. But the point is this we have an obligation. Whether we're the United States or a member of Congress or a member of this assembly we have an obligation to the next generation. And some would say well it is true our economy has never been stronger in 30 years. Stock market all time high year and close to the bond market finished in a spectacular year. But the real average hourly wage is 5 percent lower than it was a decade ago two years ago. Family earnings were hit with the largest tax increase in the history of America. I said that one day on a Senate floor and Senator Moynihan a Democrat who was chairman of the Finance Committee correct me said No Bob it's the largest tax increase in the history of the world. So I've accepted his amendment. His modification. Is a big big tax increase.

Corporate profits are setting records but soaring corporate layoffs and middle class families feel less and less secure about the future. And there is a wide and growing gap between what the government has to say about our economy. And how Americans feel about it. And again as I said a balanced budget would have lowered interest rates on any loan you have. It would also free up capital create more and better paying job. We're going to reduce the capital gains rate it's not for the rich. We want to reduce the cost of capital. So more people could create more jobs and more opportunities for more people in New Hampshire and my home state of Kansas or wherever. And so we're going to continue to fight for a balanced budget and not only legislate a balanced budget. We're going to continue to fight for a constitutional amendment on a balanced budget which failed by just one vote. And we're going to find that one vote somewhere this year or next. Can we blame the pork

There once was a time when parents believed there was a community of adults working together to raise the next generation but no longer today parents feel their family and their values are under attack from almost every direction sometimes including our schools and no answer students are learning well but a national study just a little more than a year ago revealed that a staggering 40 percent. 40 percent of all fourth graders were reading at below grade level and 25 percent. Twenty five percent of high school seniors were functionally illiterate. And we can do better. Now those seniors are going on to college or out there in the job market. These scores are discouraging. And we must ask ourselves after spending billions of dollars. How can this be.

And we must answer this with a truth which is that a liberal education bureaucracy has hijacked our schools using them to pass on liberal ideas. We either don't share or don't think and get in the way of reading writing and arithmetic and we believe that's very important. And let me give you an example. Let me give you some of the documentation. One reason education fad is so-called outcome based education. Unfortunate too often the outcomes that count are not the facts learned but attitudes achieved willingness to cooperate and appreciation of diversity or to such attitudes affording to some to correct a kid's spelling risk bantling is called self-esteem. So we said let him be creative. All the Wrong instead. But in America mastery the language is a key to success.

And I've said for many many years. English ought to be the official language in America. It's not fair. We want our kids to speak English to read English. And to be able to spell and proper American English English and all the other languages they want. But if they learn English they're going to be left out left behind. And that's not fair to them and we understand it. And I speak the truth for a moment about crime in America. It is true that violent crime is down slightly from historically high levels but it is also true that we could soon be faced with a new wave of violent crime unleashed by what Professor John Dilulio of Princeton calls super predators young criminals who are totally merciless. Capable of committing the most vicious of acts or the most trivial reasons. A pair of sneakers maybe. A football jersey. A misplaced

glance mistaken for disrespect and you're out of here. And this prediction which has already begun to come true is a great source of sadness for all of us but our sadness must be matched with resolve and one of the remedies. Just one but an important one is to shift the focus of the juvenile system as you have done in New Hampshire. Teenage thugs must come to understand that every act of violence will have a consequence and the consequences call imprisonment the consequences called imprisonment. And teenagers who commit violent crime should be prosecuted as adults and should receive sentences commensurate to the danger they represent to society. If we don't change it is not going to happen. And I would just conclude by saying there is another attribute America needs today in

our leaders and that is the whole truth and hope. I think hope is at the heart of American character. We believe it's always possible to make. Tomorrow better than today. We want a better life. We want a better America better than our parents had they had a better life and their parents had. And we want to make certain our children and grandchildren have the same. Where do you find your hope. It's clear out too many in power today. Answer that question. Every good intention is followed by a mandate or some regulation. The source of every social ill is an imperfection in the people. The solution for every national challenge is another federal program. I remember one day on the Senate floor I was making a speech and I said in a sort of a loud voice now about me tax your memories and Senator Kennedy jumped up and said Why haven't we thought of that before. Was always somebody there with another federal.

And my point is this for too many. Focus I hope is found in Washington more government bigger government more meddlesome government and that's what they think it's all about. But I have a different philosophy and I have a different view. We don't think our problems come from too little government but too much too many regulations too high taxes. And we believe we must put more of our trust in the wisdom and goodness of the American people. As New Hampshire new more than 200 years ago we must find hope in the genius of the states you'll find in this body and others like it across America. Our greatest hope for reform is welfare. We want to send welfare back to the States. Back to Governor Merrill and back to you and let you make the determination and if we do this in 50 states again we're told by the number

crunchers. Save about 60 billion dollars over seven years. That's a lot of money. And if we send Medicaid back to the States we're told that's another eighty five billion dollars in savings that's a hundred and fifty billion dollars in just two big big failed federal programs. And I've got to believe the people in this Chamber justice sense even just caring and justice are concerned about the needs of the poor than any bureaucrat or anybody else in Washington D.C. whether you're Republican or Democrat and you can make it work. And we can save the money. And there's the Republican leader Senator Dirksen used to say Everett Dirksen a billion here and a billionaire soon adds up to real money. Now this is a hundred and fifty billion dollars in just two programs. And we want to send it back to you. And we believe you can make them work.

And I know the governor leads you can make them work and that's just the beginning. So I would conclude by saying this. I was honored to serve in the Kansas legislature a long time ago. It's a very special place. Because you are close to the people. People know where you shop and where you pick up your cleaning. And I'm told that if we had the same representation in Congress and you had in the Legislative Assembly here we would have 100000 members of Congress. But. That would violate the cruel and unusual punishment clause. In the constitution. So we're not going to try that. When I was here in 1987 I just had a victory in Iowa.

I remember my pollster came in the next morning whistling Hail to the Chiefs. And I looked around there was nobody there but me. Made you feel pretty good till after the election. I lost. I haven't seen him since. No they have paid him either. Come to think of it. That. Don't. Work. So I was. You know didn't feel good. I went home and slept like a baby every two hours. I woke up and cried the other way. Otherwise I felt great. And. Then I finally got over it. I became I was the Republican leader. I think George Bush did a great job in the Gulf crisis. I thought he'd be reelected in 92 and 96. Somebody

else would be running for president that didn't happen. Somebody else got elected in 92 and I. Knew you were there somewhere I did. I. Mean it's hard to tell a Democrat Republican when you're up here. You all look like nice people. I'm certain you are my parents. My parents are Democrats and the greatest people I ever knew. So. So I didn't think I'd be here today but when President Clinton was elected as a Republican leader I sort of became the point person. And we had our differences and we had our agreements and I hope the president on some issues and good on others like health

care stimulus package or the tax increase. But I asked him on trade issues and other issues. The point is it's a two party system. It's a strong two party system. It may not be the best in the world but I don't know of a better way. And so more and more I thought about. I thought about well maybe but then I went over for the 50th anniversary of D-Day. Maybe some of you were there. Nobody here old enough to have been there earlier but not a. Well maybe. Maybe. Yeah. They say your eyes are the first to go. And you know. But I remember being I was very very emotional and we were there to pay tribute to a lot of young men Americans and our allies and young women nurses and others who lost their lives on the beaches of Normandy with

Utah Beach or Omaha Beach. And as I said many times as I stood there in awe I guess and very emotionally moved. You wonder I said I wonder if kids ever think of their granddad ever being 17 18 19 20 years of age. I wonder if they ever thought of their dad ever being that young because they were the ones who were on the beach their dad and their granddad and they were all over America all over the world fighting for liberty and freedom and they we didn't know whether they were Democrats or Republicans. Nobody asked me when I was over there. They didn't ask our party affiliation. It's a very emotional day. And I thought about. The greatness of America and how great it would be if everybody in America could have been there on that occasion. What a shot in the arm would have been to all of us particularly our young people and I know you forget

the bad things you forget 50 years ago is a long time and we've had other wars since the forgotten war in Korea. We're finally recognizing with appropriate monument in Washington D.C. Vietnam the Gulf crisis Somalia now Bosnia and then I went to Italy. Where I've been forty nine years ago at that time. I came from the plains of Kansas so why I wound up in the 10th Mountain Division. With a lot of people of New Hampshire maybe some in his audience. And as we walked around the hills are about 300 of us 10th Mountain Division. Old soldiers and their families and our grandkids. Return of those hills that I'd climb a long time ago. And standing in those Italian heeled you'd think a lot. You think back. We all do whether we're 20 or 30 or 40 or 50 or whatever.

But I thought about the America of our youth I thought about the time I was standing there as a 20 year old second lieutenant and I thought about the America we risk our lives to protect. And I thought about some of the people that I had seen who were killed in action were never coming home. Who might have been doctors or legislators or nurses or whatever. And you also think about future generations about our hopes for future generations. And I thought about the America we live in today still the greatest place in the face of the earth and still a beacon of hope and freedom. And then I guess I thought because I was thinking about it anyway. It sort of underscored I said well maybe there's one more mission for my generation. Maybe one more call to serve. And I believe my

generation has something to offer the country something it needs right now. Someone who knows what made America great in the first place. Someone who knows a little about what has been sacrificed to keep us free and some of the do all in his power to lead America back to our rightful place in the sun. And so one thing led to another and I talked to Elizabeth about it friends about it and I decided well maybe there is one more. Bugle call out there one more race. Not that I'm looking for a job but I love America just as you love America. And we should never forget that this great country was sacrificed by men and women who want to make it a better country better for our children. We sacrifice because we love liberty because we love freedom. We pay a price for liberty we pay a price for freedom we pay a price for leadership.

And I've often thought that if ever the press the United States. I'll determine when troops are sent. Not Boutros Boutros-Ghali. Thank you very much. God bless America. Member from teen and apply yourself a member from the over

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See. You. There. Anyway. Thanks. I think that the way that Forbes has run the campaign here has really fundamentally changed the New Hampshire primary the use of television commercials. Not only has helped him to get his image out there but it also has made the other candidates escalate and use that tactic because they've had to respond in that arena when they would have probably chosen to stick more to the shoe leather type of campaign that makes the New Hampshire primary unique here. They would have chosen that. You know what could be right. No. Sorry. No.

OK. Sorry. Thank you very very much. This is really helpful what you said is like perfect. I might ask you to just repeat that thought just so that we can get it a little bit quiet. That's wonderful. OK. That's great. OK. Do you have to repeat it. OK. I think that Forbes has basically changed the nature of the New Hampshire primary by taking his message to the airwaves and running a really expensive kind of campaign. It's made the other candidates respond in that way as well. And so they've had to use television and radio much more than I think they would have under normal circumstances. It's certainly been expensive. This campaign has been more expensive than any other comparable history and in the history of elections and so I think it really has changed it. We're seeing people complain about it that usually have never complained for lack of money in this state. And so I think it really has changed the primary here. Why these candidates would have chosen to. Do the shoe leather over the mass media advertising.

Here because it's more real. It's cheaper. I think it helps them sharpen their campaign for when they take it on the road and run and the rest of the country. New Hampshire is the only place where people really do have to get out and work the diners the town halls and meet voters face to face and so I think it sort of gets them primed up for the rest of the campaign which is typically more what the Forbes campaign has looked like. You know the rest of the country sees the campaign much like what Forbes has run here in New Hampshire. So it's almost like it's a testing ground. People can float test. Exactly. Exactly. And get real reactions from people. And so I think it is you know in a way it's a kind of polling. It's much cheaper than the kind of things that we're seeing now in sort of setting a new standard has caused everybody else to follow that. Exactly. Exactly and so we've seen an explosion in television commercials but also a new kind of television commercial much more negative. And so I think by him setting the standard out there the rest of the campaigns have had to follow suit. And I think that's a shame because. We know it's much easier to say those things. Not face to face but over the airwaves it's not quite as personal and so I think it's also change the tone of the campaign.

That's that's excellent. One more question. You came in pretty badly in Iowa. What's it going to do to New Hampshire. If he had if he had done all of the retail politics would that have helped. Well I think it would certainly deepen his support. I mean what I think we see with the Forbes phenomenon is very. Confusing. Are you. OK. OK. Fine thanks. I'm sorry. I think I think what we see in the with the Forbes phenomena is very broad support but it's very very shallow because it's sound bites support. It's people see 15 seconds and they like that. But when they dig a little deeper they're not quite sure what they're buying. And so I think they're reluctant to cast their vote for him when it comes down to their time alone in the ballot box. So so now that he's he have probably a disappointing showing in Iowa and it needs to make up some ground quickly in a week. Is this style of campaigning going to hurt him whereas if he had done the traditional way of campaigning he would have been in better shape perhaps.

I think he would have been in better shape. I mean certainly would have been more grounded. I think when you run a strictly media campaign which That's pretty much what he's done it leaves you ungrounded because you're not rooted in the feedback that the new Hampshire voters can often give. And so I think it will come down to a bad strategy call on his part. Interesting. Was that a victory for Gore. Well I think it's a victory for the New Hampshire the type of primary that New Hampshire has which is grassroots shoe leather style and I think it it still shows that you have to do business the way New Hampshire does business which is face to face if you want to succeed here. And so I think it's a victory for the electoral process just because it shows that you really can't buy it. You might be able to buy a lot of influence and access through taking to the airwaves. But I think when it comes push comes to shove on election day that we'll see a turn out that reflects the depth of his support which I think is pretty shallow. That's your job. It's like I I've already finished the story and I know I've got to rework it because he showed so

poorly in Iowa. It's like why am i go to care for. That's great. Thank you much much. I keep thinking about this. Stuff. It. Does. IT'S ALREADY. Off the cuff. I think Senator Dole is a good statesman. Not as good as Bill Clinton. But I think you'll be offered the job to the best of the Republicans. What about the speech. What he said you found it might inspire and you know parts of it. You know I'm a Democrat but

I like most of what he had to say about balanced budget on issues like that. But I think you did a good job and I think it was inspiring to represent. Thank you very much. Sure. All. I'm just trying to get some reaction to Senator Dole great speech. Why. Well. I think he's a good speaker. He has. He has a lot of where he has a lot of personal charm. And I think that he. Said a lot of things without giving a lot of details but he did say to me he showed that he was

willing and able to lead the country. It was a pretty good. Did you find it completely inspired or. Was it the best of the candidates I've heard so far up here compared to which candidates were the ones that have come before the house. I like that the best. And the. Best. And what distinguished this speech from all the other ones that you really can make that distinction. I don't know I think he had an agent who's a good speaker. He had a good flow of information and any future with him. I think he's demonstrated a lot to. Understand the depth of knowledge of the situation and experience and he put it all together and he and did very well he's very articulate. It's great. Thanks. I just don't. Know where you're from I'm from. At first I asked. How do. You see you name. OK. Thank you very much. Get. Ready.

She did. She. Was. Great. And. Things. Anything. Over. Here I need a hard New Hampshire Public Radio. I'll see you tomorrow stick around. I want you to ask me what your reaction was to some of those speeds. I'm. Sorry. One thing I even see I saw a lot of similarities. In that you know he's pushing for the family accepting responsibility which I think a lot of other Republican candidates have been stressing. So I think those things are the same. On the other hand obviously I have to say

something on the other side that it would be. That. Is if you could have made changes he would have made changes by now. And I think that we need some fresh blood in there. And Obama says he's an outsider and he is except for the fact that I think his his experience having been in the positions of. Not of major importance when he was under Nixon and with. His name. Baker but I think that is just just enough to sort of know how you have to manipulate. And that's probably not a good word but I think it's appropriate. So what you said was that if Senator Dole was really going to shake up Washington and clean things out the way for instance Lamar is promising to do you would have seen that already so you're skeptical of that promise or you don't feel like you really can do it. But if he could have done it why didn't he before.

I mean as a majority leader in the Senate. It's a number one position then he should have been able to accomplish some of those things in the past. He's been there a long time. And so why does he think now that he's going to get that much better. I don't think a Republican Congress is going to do that much more for him. Very good. Thank you very much for your comments I appreciate it. Representative Barbara Speir. Downstairs. Or you can have. Just. One.

Week on this. No it's not me lying down there and I said what about me. So we're working there and they bring me back in there. And then on the other side it's not going to happen. And I want to report those comments and they just want them honest. There. Were going to be. I'm trying I'm not going to get in your way. I just want to get to this I'm going to ask everybody. You got to. Know is getting through that road. And this is actually in a little bit we're going to back everyone up so just you know this is not the problem. I can.

Say that in front of the my reactions to it. Yeah. I think that Bob Dole gave a fairly decent speech in delineating the difference between Bill Clinton and Bob Dole. Bob Dole favors cuts for college education. He favors sending programs back to the states without the funding to do those programs. He talks about veterans but yet he fails to admit that in his balanced budget program he would have cut 900 million dollars from veterans programs in the country. So I think it was very moving when he talked about being a teenager serving in World War II. It was it was something that you know obviously it's an asset to him. I think he intends to play on that. But Bill Clinton remembers veterans when they need help. He just doesn't simply recall history. I think. The. Promised to change Washington is that he's got a different philosophy from the power that's what Bob Dole has been a part of the

Washington power structure since John Kennedy was president uninterrupted. And you know for him to come up here now in New Hampshire and say he's going to change government. You know Bill Clinton's one is doing it with. We've got a leaner meaner federal government. Bob Dole seems to forget that Bill Clinton is doing everything Bob Dole says that he stands for. And I just think that if Bob Dole was serious about deficit reduction he would have voted for the Clinton package. No no it wasn't inspiring. I thought it was a it was a good speech for Bob Dole. I don't think you can take anything away from that. He had a little bit off subject and was entirely wrong by saying the U.N. had anything to do with the U.S. troops keeping the peace in Bosnia. That was a decision that was made by the president and now we're over there to keep the peace not to wage war. And you know he forgets you know those type of things. It was it was a typical speech I think of what all the Republican candidates are going to have a problem doing the Shia and that's pinning things on Bill Clinton. The economy is moving in the right direction he acknowledged the stock market going up the knowledge jobs being created he nods.

Corporate profits going up but he didn't acknowledge the good things that Democrats can do. And that's a typical political speech. In. Jim. Good. To. Get

into this. I mean for him to change. Yours. Three minutes from now. All right good match or is it. She says that Forbes is a lot more I would say it is a perfect candidate. All the above though I don't know Ali that all these experts like people who write for papers radio as well. But my main objective is to win New Hampshire I think coming out of Iowa obviously Pat Buchanan did well. I assume

it's going to be two of us here. But a week to go week from today are we believe our message is consistent mainstream conservative getting things done. Responsibility experience. We hope. And believe New Hampshire voters will buy into that. We get out of the mainstream. I'm just talking about Bob Dole. He'll have to define himself. He wanted to teach me how we never had a majority until 1994 and we had a Democratic president or a Democratic House. And finally in 1994 we finally got it all together and I recited all the things we've done on welfare reform tax cuts Medicare balanced budget all vetoed by President Clinton. And so we need to change that one last obstacle. Do I think changing fundamental policy in America any more power back to the states. You can't do it in the minority.

Right. Maybe not. Well Alexander's on the left or. Right you later feel it is by a lot. More. I remember when I was little you remember that. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah.

It. Then the day after. Are. You putting in place with all the mass media. All right. OK. But now he's come to fourth in Iowa. Where does that leave his campaign. The tenor of the debate and the debate here is why I think it's probably good news for New Hampshire and good news for Iowa and it shows in New Hampshire and Iowa can't be bought. And you had a tremendous amount of millions millions of dollars put into both Iowa and New Hampshire and it's shown the grass roots retail politicking is still the way to go. So what do you do. Thank you for just a second got working on this. Nature has always

done me. And now he's coming forth in Iowa where do you think that leaves the new primary and his candidacy. Well I think it shows that Iowa can't be bought and that running negative campaigns is not going to sell. And that it makes a lot of sense to have people actually vote rather than pollsters telling you who's in the lead they are. And the fact is that once again all the pollsters are saying that Iowa was arranged between Dole and Forbes turned out to be a race between two candidates for Dole. It just reflects the fact that all these pundits and talking heads and pollsters really don't know a heck of a lot and that people know what they want. And until you get to a real election in a state where people have a chance to go out and physically get in contact with talk with and get to know the candidates you're really not going to get a good read on the presidency in Iowa and New Hampshire. Are Still the only two states in the country which give you a small enough. Electorate so that candidates can go out and make that type of personal contact. If Forbes we're you know coming in a strong second or anything like that

would something be at stake with something be lost if his type of tactics was here. I mean we don't know yet. Still a week away I think it's pretty obvious force is not going to succeed here that his finish in Iowa was so dismal and reflected so much a rejection of his style of politics. That I can't imagine that it would be any more successful here in New Hampshire. You know I think he's going to rebound because the social. Agenda isn't as. Strong here as it tends to be in the Iowa caucus different electorate. Well it's a very different electorate. And yes we don't have a strong Christian right movement in New Hampshire. But we still have people who have a lot of common sense. And I always get folks who common sense and they generally reject people who come in and try to buy their vote or run grossly negative campaigns. And I think that's been Steve Forbes Just prop. 19. Clinton kind of declared himself comeback kid and

people willing to dump damage on the Democratic side asking for flowers and the draft dodging all those allegations and saying Oh we've met him in person we think we will take a chance on him. Forbes And that retail style campaign. Is. She. Now coming back to. In. Iowa. Well I think for us it's been a lot better shape to run a positive campaign. He was advised by people who poorly advised him in my opinion because the negative campaign was so overwhelming and so vicious that people I think have been turned off to the amount of money spent was a problem. I think it's a problem for all of us to see that type of money coming into these elections. But I think if it had come in enough with a positive spin where he was talking about what he wanted to do he wanted to lead this country. It would have had a much different impact and maybe made him a much more viable candidate in Iowa and certainly I think would make him more viable in New Hampshire. He's done one on one person you know he has like I think kind of right. And and it's important to do one on one. I mean that Ted pays off over the

years candidates who come to New Hampshire and Iowa and spend some time going around and seeing people getting. Allowing people to get a sense of who they are in a personal way have done well. George Bush did well. Bill Clinton did well. It's very important to get out there and do retail politics even though the national media may not like it because it takes them out of this out of the loop. You know the talking heads in Washington don't like because it takes them either. The fact is it works and it's been proven again in Iowa and I think is going to be proven here in New Hampshire. Thanks a lot. Me. Do I miss my. It's a common reaction to Senator Dole.

Sure thanks. I think it showed enormous courage of Senator Dole to denounce all the government programs taxes and regulations that he's voted for throughout his career. And I think that that's wonderful to see that he had the courage to do that. But unfortunately I don't think that we could trust such a man to ever bring about any of the things that he's talking about today since he's voted for all these same things over his life. We just have I just ask actually this just you just asked him that question said How can people trust that you have been the consummate insider for decades can actually make change. And he said Well never before in Congress at least not on my watch. These things happen gradually and he tried to do these things we tried to get Bill Clinton vetoed or propose. No he didn't. He hasn't tried a thing. He voted for the Department of Education. He voted for all the regulations that he now denounces. He voted for the quote bill he voted for the Americans With Disability acts the clear clean air act he voted for all of these things the things he's tried to do he spending. He hasn't tried to cut anything. He has tried to he says that they're trying to slow the growth of increase. What I

am proposing is huge spending cuts the first year cuts real cuts huge tax cuts the first year a balanced budget the first year. I want to get the federal government out of welfare completely not block grants back to the states but out of it the way it was before the 1960s when we didn't have a welfare problem in this country get government completely out of crime control. So it's back to where it the way it was before the 1960s when we didn't have a crime problem in this country. Get the government completely out of education. Absolutely. They all are. And every one of them has voted for all the proposals that they're denouncing now. And the other is the so-called outsiders. Pat Buchanan Lamar Alexander Steve Forbes They are all promoting more government Steve Forbes program will bring about a 2 trillion dollar budget within a few years. Pat Buchanan has not. He's proposing a 17 percent flat tax. How will that bring about. Because what he's he's hoping is that this will stimulate the economy so that revenues will grow so that they'll catch up with expenditures which will continue to grow and we will

balance the budget at about two trillion dollars. I want to balance the budget at a hundred billion dollars one twentieth the size of the government that Steve Forbes has in mind. Now you may not agree with me. You may think this is too extreme but I am the only candidate who is actually proposing a smaller government and introducing a specific program to do this. The others are just saying government is too big too oppressive. So we're going to slow the growth in this big oppressive government. Now if it's too big and too oppressive. Obviously the logical step is to make it smaller if taxes are too high then you make them smaller. You don't redistribute them by changing it to a flat tax so that you push the tax that was being paid here over here instead. And you don't give a tax credit to children which means that somebody else over here is going to pay more. What you do is you decrease reduce the size of government and then you use those savings to give tax relief to everybody. What I want to do is to get the government out of all the things that the Constitution doesn't authorize use the savings to repeal the income tax and replace it with no flat tax

no sales tax. Replace it with nothing. Simply save the money. So in effect I'm saying to every American if you're willing to give up your favorite federal program you don't have to pay income tax again as long as you live. Good. I appreciate it. Good. Thanks. Nice. And this is what is the station I used to carry cards with me but that's the whole fact we were on the floor. That's right. Yes right. So I enjoyed that. You heard it was good. Where were you. What what city was a. You are here just down the street actually about oh my mouth. Is that where you work. Yeah. We broadcast on the state pretty much as far as I think of Kerry. Oh give her our best. Thank you very much. Thank you Don. Bleachery got a press. Like this.

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