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Get in vain for the column Ben is in. What is his name. And he's crew wasn't too well experienced and he had been doing most of the steering So finally got tired and wanted to lay down and catch a little nap so he asked me to take over and he said no I don't want you to hold it right for that star. So makes it all right. Captain so it went down a couple of hours and a half and when he got out he said Are you still holding you for that door. He said No sir Captain but I got to know it just good. I'm George Carey. As a folklorist and the many people who made the pass for the present. They do what they do in much the same way their fathers and grandfathers. In some cases they pass their skills and methods along to a younger generation. We'll meet some of these remarkable people. One of them is Captain Alex Kellow. He spent most of his life was a waterman on Chesapeake Bay.

I'm sure you've noticed he's a splendid storyteller. Where did you learn the story. Would you pick him up. Well as a kid I would sit around the old country stores over and listen to the old captains tell their troubles and their stories of what they did. And we referred to most of them as very few mysteries over there in those days. And I picked them up and they have stuck with me through the years and I enjoy telling one of the favorite characters. It always crops up in your stories about licking Billy Bradshaw. Captain licking Bill I used to call it that this happened during their annual can't make me headache young local boy there. Did some local preaching for him and he thought that he should be given the privilege to preach the opening ceremony. There can't meet. And so the campaign committee decided to let him do it. So he gets up there this morning with a large crowd and his tax was any cash before 7:00 anchors

and waited for the break that day and then he clammed up. He couldn't think of another thing. So he played it up the platform and comes back and he did and he cashed it for seven years and waited for the break that day and still nothing came. So he repeated the third time he said that he cashed in for seven eight hours and waited for the break of day can be raised up and said Brother it's 21 acres a will that the ship contains. You sound. Like you know you're always telling me about. You spend all your early years on the water. The boat sailed on when I was 14 years old. I went on get Jack Ruby Dee for my stepfather owned it at that time. When I first went on it most of oystering was done in Potomac River. And but then later on they passed a law in the state of Maryland that you couldn't enter into the county. So then we did most of ORSBORN into Chesapeake Bay.

You remember that one you told me about the fella who was delivering the Manowar. Remember he goes up the deal and the deals on it. What is that story. Yeah it was. Who is that called Brown. Brown had the Midas touch in the end those days in his old boat called punggye boat man showed his wealth by accumulating six or eight of those and he had seven or eight big farm. So Mrs. Brown sort of got a little stuck up you know and they built a big home up on the knoll there and so he had a young feller cat one of these punggye boats and. He told them he said I want you to go up the Nanticoke River and get me a load of manure for my farm. So the next morning the young fella got up and the wind was blowing about 25 or 30 mile breeze Southwest which was fair wind up and it cold. He got up real

early and got his up loader your board and that even the wind shifted down to the northwest which was a fire in back until 12 o'clock that night young fellow was up in front of Mr. Brown's home with his load of yours. Well he goes up knocks on the door and finally Mr. Brown comes down and she opens the door and she said yes. He said is Mr. Brown home. She said Mr. Brown doesn't live here. She said however there isn't Mr. Berger and he said I beg your pardon. He said Would you mind going in telling Mr. Brown that he Baho he's out here La Hobi which. When come Kellam want to work on the water at 14 you sail from here Smiff island in Chesapeake Bay. Where he was born and raised. We traveled with him to Ewell one of the three villages on the island where the captain recalled stories from his boyhood.

Kept coming out here today on Christmas Island on the boat. I was reminded of a story you told me about the. Sewing machine salesman that tried to find this place a long time ago. Yes that was Captain Hamilton Bradshaw we referred to him as Captain Hamm. He run the mail from the island to the mainland and back in this day come in over the past year which was the sewing machine sale. And when they got over in the third for why the wind was coming out of the north which they do in dead ahead and the strong ebb tide coming out and he was packing a beating that they would call it a narrow channel and he took him some time to get up there. It was a lican about and over time he'd go abody duck your head duck your head you know and that went on for about an hour or so binded they got a place to call Easter's point and he raised the sail off for a weekend to go down towards Tyler and when he did this was sailed and I looked at him he said Captain I don't know where the devil you're taking me but I know one thing. Come to judgment day this is one place the good Lord will never find

him. Well now I don't know so much about the sewing machine so you can find it he can too do. You know. To tell me. We were talking earlier about you know the stories in the old days and what was it like. Listen to those stories every night when they are suffering. They call that. They would gather up around the stores and swap their daily troubles and then set around watch and listen to them you know we weren't allowed to say anything in no way. Their motto was the children were to be seen and not heard. So I gathered up a lot of stories that I had memorized over the years by listening to those fine old John. What do you think the change that started more than the television. I think it done more to break up that sort of light than any one thing that I know. It

don't look like you will ever go back to because people don't have time to sit around anymore. I first came out. Here not our car. And. He was. Telling. Me mind you should you follow if we're lucky you've got color vision look bad. I've got to get home. You. Don't have no electricity. Oh come said Robert why don't you get your own TV. Dr. out to run drive by your door. He's a hell of a lot of things on my mind or I can't get. A rubber tired wanted by this old rich plantation owner whose health went bad. And the doctor ordered him away for about six months rest and he would lose all contact with his. Friends family and so in the end of six months he came back and his colored

servant Sam met him at. The pole and took him home and the horse and buggy and on the way and he said you know I've been gone six months and I haven't heard one thing from homes and what's happened since I've been gone he said Oh nothing he said. All except one little thing you said since you've been gone your dog died and she gets it done. I guess you. Said well what killed a dog. Well it seems your dog eat some bird house blaze. Burnt horse flesh to get ready. Know your barn burned down burned up all the cows and horses. Not good for the dog. Burn this. That's what killed the dog. Oh he said my barn burned. Yes said Barnetts. Bernie said. We'll have the barn catch fire. It seems so a spark flew over from the house and caught on to the barn burned the barn down and. All the horses paddle my friend fall overboard. Dog eat the bird. Horseplay. He said. My house burned the suggester the house that's completely destroyed. We'll catch far. Well said he

seems as though a curtain cut to the can candle cut to the curtain. The curtain cut to the roof far far and burnt everything down. He said they had candles burning in the house when we get gas and electric light. Oh yes you said Dad candles burning around. Coughing cough ensued. Who's dead always. That's another little thing I left out to you've being gone your mother in law died oh. Mother died. He's dead already. We're both dead. What he said. Kill my mother and law he said I don't know sir. But they saved us from the shock. Your wife is running away with the chauffeur said no side. No. New. And Georgia cemetery here is where the Reverend Josh was buried and he was known as the parson of the islands and he had a little log canoe called the Methodist and he would visit Tangier and Smith and

violence to his preaching and on his epitaph read Remember friends who passed by as you are the ones I am now and you will be prepared for death and follow me. Well my uncle Bill came up here and he read that in Hades sort of agree with it. So he sat down and wrote to follow you I won't consent. I know which way you went. There is no way that I can tell if you want to have you went to hell. Me. All that money. Can't. Buy. Like. I. No. He promised. I wonder. Never cease.

To be I love. For. God. It's friday friday. I am so. Sorry. I. Think. I.

Was able to bill read describer music of bluegrass folk country or traditional old calls of Bilbo and a mountain woman she was one of 13 children raised from Baptist hymns mountain balance and little County North Carolina today for her husband but my Some they carry on the family's musical tradition at their home and rising sun. My grandfather had the first telephone I remember in that area and it was on the wall. It was a crank phone and sometimes we take the receiver down and not many people had phones but we'd take the receiver down and sing for them on the phone. And I guess we just sang we sang If we had to work on. No particular time and my mother used to sing when she was cooking or anything here. Thank you to David.

DAVID I think it just comes natural for people. We've always had musicians here sometimes we have a house phone you can't even get in picking on singing and. They all watch each other if they're white and they'll watch cards you know and all of the other person and they go from one corner to another. We have music and you know all of them here you like to see this. The kids really like to see the kids getting together with their different kind. To show you the different kinds of culture shouldn't separate people. Music to me. Yes. That's love. And if we if we all work together. Regardless of whether you're a little man behind the scenes or where you are if we're working together I think that's what's what makes it so great. This next song is I think it's the story of the doubting Thomas. I'm not positive who wrote it but. We learned it off of an album of the Stanley Brothers. It does have that old mountain

sound of the primitive Baptist or the Hardshell Baptist and it's called I Am The man I. Drove me up I me and I. I. Found

I. Me I. I. Don't know where I. Am.

I. Would. Be hard for me just to say where and when. I got started because we always saying always right. Not particularly what you'd call professionally but we didn't have as many things to entertain them as they do nowadays so I guess we sang mostly in Blade 2 for our own enjoyment. You know that song that I've endured on the last one sounds like it's sort of biographical and that is I guess I'm just saying. Yeah. And that must have something to do with your. Growing up the mouth. Yes. You and many other people probably that I knew you know that had them. You might say headquarters in Michigan but I often say that maybe we didn't have pushbuttons you know and. That sort of thing. But what we did have. All the money in the world getting by.

On a day to day. I see the. Church.

As. This is Clark Castille Hunter trapper gunsmiths. You no longer roams back bull Ridge calling the wild turkey and tracking deer but the rifles he made by hand from the curly maple trees still shoot straight and true. The craft he loved is still alive in the shop of his grandson Keith once a coal miner who worked his way up to a management position. Keith Castille left coal mining to do what he really loves. Gunsmithing. What is it that particular about your guns that would make someone who really knew their stuff feel or recognize it. I believe that every gunsmith develops a style of his own and even though he can't recognize it himself it's rare I believe even through the engraving that I do on my rifles all the style of Engraving

the type of carving and the general shape of the stalk has a lot to do with it. Even a person that may be building rifles right close by me won't build a rifle the same way I do because we think differently in our head and our rifles may be equal so far as quality is concerned. But so far style is concerned mine will be a little different from his. Maybe it's through generations or years or it might be from something that. I don't think I don't know if it be passed down although he didn't my grandfather was a great one for balancing a rifle and he would pick his rifle up and he would expect that rifle without moving his head he had stayed in position picked the rifle up he should be looking across those sites when it comes to the shoulder. And they should balance up well enough to release your hand from the front of it like this and the rifle will bounce for you and stay in position and so forth.

Some of the things that you may have learned naturally from you sir from talking to people may have a lot to do to to develop your style of rifle. I do like to work on mountain rifles. It's lovely. I have been working with Wouldn't that plus the fact that you're bringing back a little bit of the image of the old you were saying also that the working on the done so many different types of things you never really get bored doing one thing. You say it's metal and then it's it's the woodwork and then of course the engraving they're in in all your engraving and woodcarving is is develop it and use the old original patterns. Now you don't say you laid down another old rifle and duplicate it to a T all the way through. It's rococo designs that they used in those days and never with a real rococo or sea scrolls scrolls. You can develop a lot of different different patterns and then you try to use the same pattern

throughout the rifle and your woodcarving or your engraving. And in a sense there's one thing that you try to pick up that I read someplace that's not the mix of schools. In other words if you're building at Bedford County rifle don't put a Lancaster County patch box on it like they say the Kentucky rifle was really built in Pennsylvania even that part of it makes me gives me a kind of a thrill today because a lot of my rifles has gone back into Pennsylvania. Keith you were telling me about you know your your grandfather being a great storyteller. Had one tale that when you went up there to go after huckleberries up in the hills there it was. Yes not too far from home. That really happened. It taught me a lesson quite a bit about snakes. Anyway he got up this morning and he said to Al Qaeda we better head for the mountains and some black or some huckleberries today. Raised him quite a bit for cobblers and for Jaman for pies and things and so off we went. At first before I started I said my goodness grandad we'd better not go there because the

snakes would be pretty bad today. He said well we have no no I don't mean we're not going to have a better day to get them so we just bring the shotgun in case we do get into trouble with our rattlesnake and we'll try it anyway. So off we went up to the huckleberry plains. And where we were picking huckleberries and all of a sudden here was this big rattlesnake. And he says my goodness Keith grabbed the gun. So I ran and I grabbed the gun and cocked back the hammer and I aimed at the snake and all of a sudden I saw a bunch of young ones out in front of it little fellows about like that. And a little tiny rattle can bite just as bad as the big one. So I thought the mice and all of a sudden the young one spotted me and they got scared and they raced toward the mother it's a legendary thing that their young ones all hide in her mother's mouth. And when they have something. Some fear around him. So I waited and here the little ones kept running toward their mother and it was popping inside her mouth and I thought well I'll just shoot them. Then I'll wait till everyone gets in and I'll shoot them and get them all. So when the last snake ran inside the mouth I just started to squeeze the trigger and the female swung around and threw its

tail in its mouth and started swallowing its tail and all of a sudden just poof in the mid air then I went to the snake. And then you told me that this is. The thing where you. Do the drilling out of the bowels of the the rifling does he have one of these in his backyard there. That money can he used quite quite frequently in. These early years. And this is part of it. This is one of this part of his body that other part of it is being rebuilt. His. Father before. Yes this is the part here the probably the most dramatic part of building a rifle or you actually have to cut it right down the middle of that barrel to. Allow that ball to twist in the air and stabilize in flight. It's probably the most important discovery in life are going to and then device. I'm curious as to how much of this you learned from your grandfather. And would he take you out say in his back. Yeah I remember he kept his particular rifling thing would show you how to

how to do it. Well in a sense but not really. Actually he wasn't that much of a teacher. And what you would call a teacher that was usually something that had to be done that day and that was a job to be done maybe this day it would be wet and we couldn't work the fields or something else. So would be much better to work on a particular rifle barrel that he had and then to work on that day. Keith do you ever do any target shooting with the grandfather. Yes a little bit. And he's good enough. I didn't do that. He was pretty good. You know he said he was a meat on our knees day in his life. To show you how it goes together. All right first thing you do George is put upon a charge of powder down the barrel. He pulled it out of this horn. Cold day. Horn. Wasn't holding up power for a full days. For that down the barrel. And you come back you get a pat. Do. It in your mouth. When you wet patch. It has a tendency

to wipe away any black powder residue that's built up in the barrel. Place it directly over top the barrel and the ball centered in the middle of the patch. The bowl or he placed on top of it and ram it down the barrel. Come back the ramrod and shove the ball on down against. The powder. Come back up to the end of the rifle. Open up the thing called the prison. Tottering to the pan close the prison up shake a little bit to get power back in the hole in the barrel. And that's slowed. It. Up. That's the way it far. Out. How far are those things accurate. About how far that you feel when you're about 200 yards or affect the brain. With a good charge of power it'll carry a real

well at 200 yards and you get yours loaded. She's carrying a 40 caliber gun. One thing you have to be careful about is the is coming from this side. So any time you're shooting. You take care of the person to stand aside you and it years ago. The country seems probably suggest hunters trudging home at dusk. But if you wanted to see these paintings you'd have to visit downtown Baltimore. They're not in a museum. They decorate window screens on East Baltimore rowhouse. One of the city's best known screen painters is Richard octave. And you know we were talking earlier about you know how you know you paint the screen and. I'm just interested in how you learned to do this you told me your father did it and he came over from the old country about when he came to New York first went to Czechoslovakia and then try and paint the screen over there. No no you don't turn it down.

He writes that he would hand in a pot with a punch or a butcher shop here and went to school and eventually got into art. Well did he take on the night like he did and then then what got him I mean are you might just take pictures. But not even the green people in there. They asked. Me. To. Do that and I finally figured out that that page my art picture. Why the screen right here nothing to do with. Somebody. So. He got the idea off the Japanese. Screen. And you can see. But you can see in different colors. So the original reason then was a kind of functional thing. Right. So people can look in the window. It was part of his style was concerned with you talking to me earlier back in the 30s when it was this wouldn't really began in the 30s.

He started to do one really heavy like he. Did he started with a certain style with the people coming in to see Palash and they wanted to know how the country or something. He had all these calendars when we started the art show. I saw the pictures on the calendar. They have put on the screen. And then he developed the style like low rent Bangalow that's something that's easy to paint and think real fast. And you sort of pick that out. So try to find your own something that goes fast and that that's what the people like. Things that I have. Well you know you talk about the style of the 30s as opposed to silent today just like clothes now that the long dresses and over that glove. Back in the White House we went to that room and a lot of shrubbery and more modern type one they want Bruges.

Now. That you have that you have one basic thing that you paint with a little red but you know that's still the best. Why. Why do you think people want these country scenes. I don't know I guess they're fed up with the city like you know what they want. That's their way of showing their. I. They can get everything right. I went to high school what happened during the summer for this. You learn as a child what to do when you pick up recipes and start for real. I grab the you and your kid. Do you think you don't want to be a good boy you know. MARTIN So you think he might pick it up and even to. The folk art of quilting has been around since colonial days when pioneer women were forced to make use of every bit of fabric that came their way. Like their great grandmothers the women here at the Holly Grove Mennonite church in Westover Maryland gather together to exchange the local

news and share of the pleasant task of building. Scraps from. Them. Michael. Come back. I want to. Become. One. So maybe so deal with it right. We have we have made some of that you. May.

16 somewhere. Else she. So. I guess I'm going to really. See her when she was quite small. Genevieve I know her when she was quite small. We live in Michigan. I'll be. Away. For. Love. Of

her wedding ring in the. Cold. Comfort. So. You brought your grandchildren. Not quite. Telling. How many grand. I have plenty of scrap to use to make. And I wasn't going to do much warmer. People keep at me. Last week at turning their wedding ring down. You sure do a lot of people there when trucks are afraid use. And then they get you know a blanket trailer park and a blanket to comfort

on top. I know you get hurt in the morning. That's bad if we had to keep warm. And then that man of mine his feet always got cold. Next you found on top of them. Falling on your feet. This guy right. Now. Is not. Yes they just

got despair. This is my this is my song raising my son is my song. Hey hey. Hey. Hey hey hey hey hey hey. Whispers Hi. This is my song

writing. My song Raising my. Say. They call themselves the little wonders it's not a reference to their size but to their stature in the eyes of God for 35 years the little wonders of some of the old gospel and Jubilee songs that joyfully express their faith. They meet weekly to practice for life church performances and for their Sunday morning radio program to broadcast from Haverty Grace matter one night

to coming up to sign up. Before we go on the map and you see it on my right sure it must die down. Do not try to make that up by preaching to my God. I'm afraid most of these songs are all original music. It's not too far afield from books. We do a lot of those things over to cover original stuff that just came from people's hearts.

Hard times to get out. This works out of the process to get relief to make themselves feel better. The songs themselves and say that they get relief from one the songs came from this. Way. Whosoever will let him come down the. River where they come from man and drink from the light do so come. So it will come no doubt always come and on man. Great from down down down line you will come me great come

come come let him come say hi. See when they come come come come come dancing from you. Do you sing in churches and churches I asked you to come and perform for them. Here Yeah. All different clubs all sinners and different people trying to raise money for some you know need to call themselves. And they figure that we can help them to raise some money. Everybody us to

go out and perform the Started from small man but now they are all lost and we don't use them. The world is a small man and we use it as man small in comparison to God. We are we are all small this way on ourselves to do things to help in any way we can help building. God's Kingdom for the betterment of mankind and to make the music profession try try to do something and not feel that we are going to or as we are getting older you know. We try to leave some Gladbach back. Some kids discover along the way they'll pick it up and go and help somebody else. It's like the things that really work and to have people like that. Yes I'd like

to see this group go on. I really would have sold everything. Mostly we sold it. You could make do. You couldn't deal with it. You can do the whole thing is you go sing to your own room to the audience and it's a great night. All right. My name is. Right. Whoa whoa whoa

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decades they have lived and worked together on the smell in the Catoctin range raising six children and making a living from the farce that surrounds them. Today they are great grandparents and the losers are still resourceful and independence in a way that for most of us is only a day dream. As a little girl I mean with you with your work from your grandmother. Oh yes. What kind of things. I mean do you say when you went over there. Well no. One thing is back in the bed I was only 11 years old the first word that everybody in my family told me how my mother had helped me along at home and well the first daughters didn't turn out so we need to needed nothing. Well she said you got to do better next time. And then they dare you to so. I mean so the main thing because everybody made their own clothes and these rugs I mean everybody I think made rugs winter time because it couldn't do anything else. They'd always save older strings like I haven't you were out of his clothes you'd always say that you cut your strings and

stuff. And when you've got a few minutes during the work on my rug my friend I can sit here and watch my breath and you'll be working all right. But you're tall you're strings about the same with. Grade them together and when you get them graded you. Solo around in this circle here to make rugs and you make them big. Some people may miss because their whole kitchen floor. Have you talked I your your daughters and so forth have you pass some of this. Yes I'll do that when they do. My daughter is doing a lot of things. Our daughters bakes in. And they can make a lot like this too. Oh yes. Yes my daughter she was up here like she didn't make quilts my $1. And she got her granddaughters 12 years old and she can do all this constant. Yes she really. Well in the

summer I mean weather like this. I don't get too much in the house because you know I'm outside and beat canning or cooking making jellies or baking bread. And then in the wintertime when you're at your sewing machine making your other things Samora all I get done is you can make jellies. We met in church I think I was only about 14 years old when I first knew it and at that time of school I covered my last school clothes. I went through the seventh grade. That's all. And I went to school in Washington County and. This thing here you do your work on what do you call that that you know languages is shavin horse. But the Pennsylvania German the

are switching. From what I've heard and you built this one. That's right. And as I say. There's no time way that people are saying. This this is something that you learn how to do from your father pretty much. That's right. In other words. In them days everybody worked hard. You could learn this from many by neighbors dozens of people that's the way to make living that had a piece of ground. He wanted to make chambers and he's telling the man and me to up a building. He hire a blind man that could do what and doing what he set and gave shingles a hundred thousands like this and he'd pay up so much a day for shaving him out. It sounds ridiculous but I have slept like this for 10 hours.

Shaved five hundred shingles in 10 hours. Now that he's here produce Shingo. Shave 500 jingoes like that in 10 hours. At the end of the day I'd receive a dollar a dollar a day for an hour. Now here. Are some. It. Would appear that Rubios helped put him to take on the account of Britain your joint and then now that is your design on Drew. That's the way it say. That's exactly right. But that is just your straight draw. Now in order to make that watertight I'm sure to reset that because your idea of the double room now you know they're in here and just got crack all crack was broke. And believe it or not Rydex shingle roof just as I'm describing here with that thinking this will last from 80 to 100 years. Well my father was Worton cross-ties. In other words you can just have this same thing that I'm

doing now only he was you and cross-ties place and make jingoes he went out one morning to work and right after he started to work and show Rain came up feel like I have to describe this. Charmaine come up he would use action on his back like that and started to get to dry. He was a great bond across the pay when he fell that X come over his back went right there cut down the whole thing. Them days you know really for help of any kind. I was George Winans who was 11 years old. He was crippled for one year and a half of that hand hanging there before he was able to work. He never had the doctor to mentor that's right you didn't go to doctors named him and I had to quit school. Demanded he was working with said if I quit and took his place he'd pay me the same wages. All right at that time I help support that big family while he was sick. So that reason I don't have any education and in other words there is

where I learned all this training this house down here that your father lived in when you lived in for a while was here but didn't you tell me that you built on to the end of that. Where did you learn that. So you started out in life or you want to build a house like that you go the ridge in a warehouse deal and see how he. Then you could come home and follow up with the same thing. Stoke run wild in this country from 1936 to go from store to above ground and made a profit. Everybody had their truck past you and you could buy the new one and evening would come in and come back home to sleep you'd have a place to sleep at night. That is really you know everybody had to have truck patches and everything because the animals was all in the room. But then after 36 hours to go come here and meet so many things private we started to make Hi we see right here like this. We speeded up our there where don't have cars here a horse and wagon we're or we're Hoeber Calvert

if you understand that come along with them. We had to put them in captivity in Panama and includes all my potatoes corn and beans and everything like that is groomed right on the ground here. I didn't have to bone about thing you come winter in a little bit a few. And then we used to write love notes of you. He lived over here not all of. And. We didn't dare let my mother know anything about it. So we'd sneak those for dinner later on. I was Magners on the team. So we get married in July. And. Then we stay home that winter. In fact. To be honest we didn't have enough money to go to housekeeping. I think I'd worked in different places around nothing. I had $150 and also I had a lot of money but it still wasn't enough to go to housekeeping. And so I stayed home when he stayed at his home. So you need a new house. This house he has finished. We moved in here. Nate. Forsman. Father was a

girl. It was a rainy day just like this her birthday be the 17th of October. Now big paws on a big pumpkin pies. I think I think about nine or 10 pies and I bake bread. And. So that evening my sister is coming out her. Her husband they live over Fox and they were coming over. And here they can me and. My husband were sitting in the kitchen. We had the kitchen that poor thing. And when. Her husband to me she said oh where is it that. Polls that should feel very good sort of thing. She's laying there on the bed. So tell her yes that was Mrs.. She said to talk to Wall and she came in she said Are you all right I'll sit down. I'll be all right after a while. So she'll be back out in the kitchen. She sat down and they thought of rest and the gifts. But. The next thing I knew my baby was born. I wasn't even in bed it was born on the floor and. I

opened the door and I was walking around. I said Paul I said You better go down get your mother I said. Or she just this baby. That's how my sister came to where I was at. And of. Course I. Did everything myself. I cut the cord and did everything myself. I even get up walk around and got the baby's clothes. He got his mother up when everything was over with. We had six children we had a happy family and all the children are real close to us. And. Which some of my friends I mean they've been married and divorced and they're separated which means that we never had much we're we were always happy. So I think that's also. Important in life. You are this thing getting out of making a lot of money. I had friends. They talked about was making a lot of money they had to have new cars and a brand new home and all this but that never never bothered me. I was always satisfied just to

be well and have my family well and. Have a place to stay in. So. And I think that's all anybody. Can do. That.

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