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Some harsh economic realities from Julianne Malveaux quickly on the push and term limits in Prince George's County. All this this evening. This program by one of our most popular guess is Gregory for more than 35 years the human rights activist comedian helped fix that's fought for social change his length. He's legendary. Recent reports in the media concerning his health have caused some concern. In a moment we'll find out how did what I was doing for the time being. I'm fantastic. Joining me in this segment is another one of our more popular guests she is a natural and author of the book a path to healing. She practices here in Washington and is offering insightful advice help and nutrition welcomes you to the

degree we have heard reports and I don't get the work you have to do early in the morning. Early in the morning constantly for the past several years. But we've been hearing reports about you having cancer. Is it true that when there's a chance you have the worst for lymphoma cancer this is one of the one point you can cut out. You had a brain cancer a breath of last year you got out and then you know when I reported to my people this is the type of cancer you were in a new play it would have been and not in my knowledge and I decided to protest against him right now and then and then in the end of the several just the power of God I have hernias since I was a child when I ran from Los Angeles California to New York City three her new since I was a child. If I didn't way to type a break and you see me in a more know what I need

but I also knew a sprint at Southern Illinois. Yeah but I don't use them. But what happened to retire about our practice so you know it don't cost me not having checked the chicken hernias took the x ray in the x ray malfunction. And so that she would let me give you CAT scan and the process of that. He said well that's what they call a phantom. It was a shadow. You OK but in three days maybe they were just looking at the CAT scan for known no reason certain CDs call it if you must know. So they asked me you know it's going to if you were eating and I was to minister her and said Would you mind if we go down. Look at us around. It's the first time I kind of understood drug addicts and it some don't. They put some broken into and let me tell you the next thing I know they will tell me to put on my clothes I think if you have no recollection I say do you have to say yes you can even that way when I get to review drugs and and and they said that's

when I that's when they informed me no had not been playing around with this five years from now when it really hit me I wouldn't be able to sit here and tell you that this morning I walk a mile so I wouldn't be able to see and you know you don't I have no pain you know how do I feel now compared to feel the same way because I didn't realize anything was wrong when I just happened to know what. My thing is the mental thing I did not know because you know because you've got all these folks calling in with different things. I did not know the level you think people are scared of AIDS no no no no. See most folks don't know nobody that knows somebody with AIDS. Everybody knows somebody that knows somebody that have died from cancer and it's like one of the when people here would be just one of the Hora and I hear it. People have called me and confessed to me that they have cancer that would shock for you all to hear your story will I believe and so I guess I did you know and I had to be very careful when I'm talking publicly because I know the

fear. I've been very careful if someone say Well would you ever take chemo. Well how do I look you see and I would hear someone out here that don't know the level of nutrition right know or into systems like this here that know about healing and I don't want to give the brother the chance if it were a great take a moment I'd take a moment. You know we're going to talk about the kind of calls I heard the film everybody was shot would do with these what do you tell people when they see any form that isn't much less as he pointed out one of the more difficult. All right well one of the things he said which was very true is the mind is a very interesting instrument and use of our of our awareness or our bodies and the mind is what you know there are many studies now there indicating how the mind plays such a role in this thing called cancer and that's not to negate food or

air pollution and water pollution and thought pollution every other kind of pollution but the mind and body are really connected in many of the cancers that I see in my practice are women unfortunately who are victims victims of abuse victims of whether the abuse they're putting it on themselves through negative thoughts and negative conversations about who they are or whether they're victims of physical and sexual abuse. But a lot of that is anger turned inward. And their personalities that we see with different kinds of cancers clearly food is very very important. I mean you've been out there for many years talking about that long before I even knew what nature up with me was. But but I also have to say that you know I believe that not everyone should be vegetarians so we may differ a little bit on that end of things I believe it's based on blood type and I know that blood type A's are far more likely to have cancer for example than blood typo's blood type they should be vegetarian but typo's that's not necessarily something I would prescribe for a blood type.

But between personality between supplements nutrition there's a lot oriental medicine there's a lot that can be done to assist people going through cancer whether or not they choose the chemotherapy whether or not they choose the radiation. There is still assistance that they can receive through complementary medicine because the chemo doesn't is not directed to determine which cells are going it's going to eliminate the chemo eliminates every cell. So doesn't matter it's not discriminatory. Oh there's a cell. So we have to keep the cells that are healthy continually healthy juicing. I mean all of those things are part of What We Talk About When We Talk about working with a cancer patient in the mind is clearly important which is why homeopathic medicine is so important because we have to look at what are the false what's the false thinking. What are the ways in which the patient is talking to themselves what is the way in which the patient is out of harmony with God in harmony with God with their with their partners with their families. What has been the history of that patient. So the sociology of the patient if you will is just as important as

the physiology of the patient for cancer patients. And you know as you pointed out earlier our interest in a lot of these things sparked in the first place. Oh my God you know I think you cannot underestimate the power of that mind. No I'm going to give you example. I didn't want to tell my wife this one of my daughters was get married till after the wedding and then after the wedding the honeymoon I'll wait. And I show her the report and she went home. And so immediately I said women. You think I'm leavin you back here with your high school sweetheart. How is your mom. If he's not good and I see it first then I will probably leave this planet before you and when I leave you you'll be so old they will cheer you visited it yet. Then I asked leave the room and come back with another phrase or you tell me after 41 years of marriage. There are certain things I won't be able to share with you because I wasn't

going to let her pull my psyche ph down down. That's right that's right. Listen to this and that's it you can see folks out there. The number one killer in this country is cigarette smoke and close to God. But act like nine hundred thousand people a year and nobody lights up a cigarette today assuming they're going to get cancer. Think about this mind game. OK we know how many people die from driving drunk we know I mean people get here from other people. Nobody leaves the party. One more bright kids said But Mark I want to make it home now. If people who smoke cigarettes can be that positive. We have people who drive every night from the bar. Don't assume that they going to get a treat and not go make it home. Then I say how come those of us out here that find out some cannot give us that benefit of the doubt. And then you start seeing change. Once I start studying and looking in to

find out that the same way we deal with cancer today is not the moon from where the Romans big rigs and Egypt has been 3000 years ago it certainly has some strange crazy operations and they hit it with poisons. They would say I will take a poison worse than what you got right. Industry is the same thing. When you look at chemo in radiation you know what happens now. I'm 69 years old. We didn't believe that black or got cancer when I was born. Well we didn't when you don't know nothing that I don't know I didn't say that we don't believe they got it because you didn't have medical insurance and you didn't go to doctors to get checked up and you didn't get skinny. And you're saying you smell this funny odor and now today. You see people where you still wait. Now how come they waste away to date and didn't do it. It's the Madisons most 98 percent of people who die from cancer do not die from cancer they die from malnutrition. Now one of my stand up.

Didn't the little medicine. I'm saying no what you say it all. Which of fresh juices are you know this fly is very important and it is very important to slow up a drink of water and eventually just get enough rest. In other words would you spend some time changing the diet but if you if the doc in the medical people would the treatment be given all of a minute with all the various going just out preaching wise remains in how many people there. Amazing what you just said I know somebody who has cancer who because of the medicine individualistic doesn't have any kind of appetite but I don't see more energy here when I got it right. That's what would you advise someone you like to do. Well that's where the complementary medicine comes in that's where you have to teach people how to take care of themselves in terms of the juicing if they don't want to eat then they can use green juices seaweed it's that kind of going to get minerals to get vitamins certainly taking supplements is also

important anti oxidants and clearly again working with the mental emotional state I got to lay in the belief that your state needs I are going to grow sober and have no appetite and they never stop drinking they never stop smoking. It was about Balts. She didn't mind what use it meant everything that I don't lose the appetite for that. Everything that's about here I want to say something also to about this thing called cancer. Sometimes I find as I write in my book about cancer NH I.V. AIDS for example that any disease is an opportunity to do greater healing to come into a greater oneness with your God with your family with relationships with things in your past that have haunted you with things that you haven't particularly been very good about in terms of creating forgiveness for yourself and for other people.

So any time you have some long term chronic disease which I consider cancer to be and not a death sentence you have the opportunity to do even greater healing that healing of the physical body necessarily but healing of your spirit healing of your soul healing of that part which actually does the healing. That part which actually does the taking over of the system so that you can continue to live a life with quality. It's the holistic approach that we're talking about when you get in bed. But I can give you here with your expertise about nutrition about ask you about some of the issues the movement and you are fighting against genetically engineered food Frankenstein That's also coming. That's an issue you were talking about 25 years. Let me tell you something. Never before in the history of this country have America almost exploded to our hostility in you. We were about to explode when we determined we was going to keep shipment of that generic food and then all at once when they found out how serious it was when a friend said if we have to break up all relationship then a funny thing happened. Gore birds maybe.

Who said we will no longer use genetically altered so it be because our market over there will not trust us and we begin to see what supports blowing me away. If there's no movement on this just so then we have to accept we have a game. Yeah they had experience on mice rats and cat would be genetically engineered potatoes with most of more and it's a mainstay of what has happened with the mutations and you know so you're right. And very similar I read about 6 when I was in newspapers every week and it's my European newspaper. I mean I know who you are and what you are. I still do not have the papers about the horror of how it's almost a form of mind control. It shuts down the system and the American people. There's something wrong when hopefull soon to getto can get free sales of that loan to somebody. It's up to the odd take on United wins in the.

Why agree with Dick and one of the things I want to say is one of the reasons why we have so much more cancer now when you were saying you know it when you were little boy people did. We didn't get that much cancer we didn't get that much cancer 75 80 100 years ago and we certainly didn't come here with cancer I say that all the time you know we did not we had respiratory problems but who wouldn't. The way we were crammed into small spaces but we didn't have cancer we didn't have diabetes we didn't have hypertension. But all of a sudden we see this overwhelming incidence of cancer. It's coming from our foods it's coming from where it was coming. Some stress in your life. It's coming from all the things that beat up when I mean System day to day we have to be vigilant we have to be vigilant we have to take charge and make different choices. We have to you know one of the things that shock you about cancer cancer is really a gift from God and His word cancer is something happens in the body that malfunctions and the protein cannot be assimilated.

The protein stored oxygen in the body within three days you would die from oxygen privation except there's a god intelligence that since these cancers say to go in and destroy the protein now that will give you two a couple years it would give you. So we sit and look and see how this body is put together. But when you look at black health we are less than before 12 percent of America's population. Eighty seven percent of everybody in America can you doubt it. But that's when we had black median is less than four percent of America's population. Eighty three percent of prostate cancer deaths of black million somewhere we've got to stop and say there's something wrong with it it's wrong to cure what are we doing wrong. It can't be all die and we have to look at the stress we have to look at the effect that a white racist system keep in this in the body. What effect it would have on the liver and one starts to live it down I'm gone let me talk about this. Civic incident since you mention the system and racism you just got back from Detroit where you

apparently met with officials of Lord and Taylor. People have been reading the story in the newspaper about how a security guard of the Lord's and volunteer apparently choked a black man to death but apparently didn't do it with his hands he had some questions saying that he did it. What did you find out let me tell you in for you gang bangers out there I wish you could have been it is me you hear the Al Sharpton's to hear to Joe Madison the leader here there says it was big in Taylor lowered Taylor into space. We met with the mole people on the Mall and let me tell you have Vishy CDs. There's a tape that they say is circulating on the exchange. A white columns rolled you can see the shot that has been really in meat and

before we knew the wife will include a black woman. So I had. Absolutely take a in a Detroit car police department have it they showed it to me. So all we're doing that is why now why. Because nobody's told us about the incident. All the words of Al Sharpton in so it's a way to hold women it's normal procedures. People are shoplifting because like if you were I would refer to Barclay got to speed it up or running out of time I'm sorry. Put some in your bag so you automatically let it out. What we found out there is no tape. That's a rumor out there and 15000 people showed up and for the first time they want to sit down and talk for the first time be admitting that all those boards were not black it was one white security go we have the autopsy report and it was only because of that

that they indicted someone had it not been for that huge amount of black but she went up there probably would have been no indictment they were trying to justify and they saw. Lifting allegedly involved and I don't know it was World War doll a bracelet and an eight year old child and these glowing were in civilian clothes. It was outside the place. So how would you feel if you sold someone put in to put handcuffs on you ate your child in civilian clothes and when the mother ran away with a point in the mouth when the father came back that he was in the front to get caught they grabbed him and it was over. He was defeated and he had spent $6000 last month and $400 to date at this happen. We're talking about a situation that occurred recently in Detroit and I'm afraid we're out of time means of course that we're going to have to have a great weekend with that often back again but they are gracious people and I'm sure they will come back Andrea the author of the book a path to healing. Thank you both for John thank you for your good looks and always thank you to seeing you as if you are get was on it as a matter of fact I didn't know until he showed up on the show the guy who was with to

the left unless it was Jonathan I'm guessing from public that you can see we don't live the same with the shorts with the expanded been isn't it. You seem to have a little a little down. Regular gets even experienced as a new book out. She's an economist a

graduate of MIT and these this witty that are used in economics is the economist by training but by choice. She is a political commentator and columnist. You know her from her appearances on several television shows including even exchange her new book Wall Street Main Street and the side street a Mad Economist Takes a stroll. By now you know who we're talking about. Welcome Julianne Malveaux good to be with him. Well good to see you here in another capacity of this book is a compilation of your columns during the course of the past four years why did you decide to go why you're in about 20 papers nationally as well as in USA Today black issues in higher education but they don't have a national distribution and lot of the folks who read me here in their kid want to put something together that represents a fraction maybe 10 percent of the work I've done over the four year period I write between three and four times a week for various outlets. But it was a challenge and it was one that I was happy to deal with and did looking at when someone said it

was four years of social history and just looking at the four years of writing. Well since you're such a regular guest on even it's James I think it should be appropriate. But I thought you were court instead of asking her what to talk about unemployment but it occurs to me that I was covering the economy and the Labor Department and it was a bit unkind was sponsored by then. That's been addressed as Hawkins one of the it's called the full employment in those days we had unemployment and inflation rates both in Good Night and The Full I'm going the bullet point was considered a bill put 6 percent unemployment that would be one of the bad ones and it was we're going to get in close. Now we have an unemployment rate that's around 4.7 percent. Nobody poll of the full in one mind. Well let's talk about the bill for it's actually I was privileged to be in the White House at that time as a junior staff economists.

You were busy manager what not all of the teenager 976. I wish I was 20. OK. Her In any case the Humphrey-Hawkins bill was written out of the frustration that the people who do economic policy in the United States never have coordinated policy in my in my book I talk a lot about Alan Greenspan at the Fed and a lot of people we've had some dialogue about that with the Fed the job is not the whole lot of the Fed's job is the money supply and money. So who's taking care of unemployed people who's taking your ball. Nobody or what Labor Secretary Alexis Herman of whatever the labor secretary is has a subordinate position to the chairman of the Fed so implicitly has to she will be given money or priority. The people the Humphrey-Hawkins bill were back again one thousand forty six there was a bill of economic. I can't think of the exact name of the bill but it justified the creation of the Council of Economic Advisors and it basically defined with economic well-being was the Humphrey-Hawkins bill with our global bet and it said that the purposes of the economy should be balance prices

and full of color and it was an attempt to rewrite the Phillips Curve which at that time was seen as an economic syllogism that unemployment and inflation went in opposite directions and as you see it that way. What we saw was something that was quite high misery index which is defined as a combination between on of one rate and the fields curve with nearly 20 percent you have high inflation as well as I would but. That's 6 percent and seen as something that was unattainable 525 as it was that is the number on the tail of the time it is looking at 8 percent. And remember by 1980 the early Reagan years we had double digit unemployment overall which meant that for African-Americans we read pressured levels of unemployment. However when Hawkins was passed it was a sad concession that it was simply a rhetorical statement. And the actual outgrowth of Humphrey Hawkins can be seen every February the Economic Report of the president is reduced to two pages which are the Humphrey-Hawkins pages which is this is where we are with the Humphrey-Hawkins votes doesn't it does not require the

promulgation of in public policy doesn't require the institution of training programs doesn't require employing enough people to do more than two pages and economically for the president. It's a rhetorical gesture that says unemployment is still boardin to happen at a time when inflation was our priority was the hope for some of you but exactly and Gus Hawkins Augustus Hawkins who will be girlie into the Congressional Black Caucus out of Los Angeles is an absolutely brilliant African-American man kept employment education and training at the top of the boat. So let's talk about the 4.7 percent that nobody read report about to refer us to its full employment because we know that it is not full employment but everybody seems to agree that it's an improvement over what for. However President Clinton among others acknowledges that it is problematic that as he points out that at least 37 cities in the country the unemployment rate is the biggest twice that much so he has come up with this plan involves being able to give subsidies to those

who provide venture capital and guidance for doing business and in the cities and some tax breaks for people who set a business that would be invalid. I'm not that it's better than nothing but it's not good enough. You're creating intermediaries where you don't need to the people who need the assistance of the unit of Lloyd and these businesses who want to come in and take advantage of tax rates. Quite frankly are looking are profiteering. You know what we're looking at here is that they have people who assisted in cities without necessarily being there you have inner city small and medium sized black owned businesses who probably need as much help with not war as some of these others are coming in. I applaud the president we're knowledge in that it's 4.3 percent not all that high and it certainly isn't the 4.3 percent that we're experiencing now is very different from that that was experienced about years ago. You have too many temporary part time workers included in the number of too many people yet without health insurance which is why you hear 4.3 percent when when I hear your point you were pulled out the way you prepare you.

See this is an issue I would get you better data better than what. But you know when people hear this a thing Gee economic expansion macroeconomic ecstasy micro-economic the number of temporary or part time double digit rates in our 30 percent rates for young people who drop out of the labor market all create a different reality. This emerging markets legislation certainly does address that but I think it dresses it in sufficiently. It's talking about businesses coming into inner cities and doing well I mean it's not talking about better preparing the labor market. Nor is it talking about it this is the inner city. Also it's you know we're talking about Julianne Malveaux has a new book Wall Street Main Street and the side streets. It's called Mad Economist Takes a stroll. And what you have just heard and seen is just an example of the kind of opinions that you read about if you read in this book which is a compilation of some sort or years of college and I wanted to kind of update some of the issues that you wrote about which is why I've started there now I want to go back

to some of the wind in the book one of them is the arc with bad mortgages and what those bad mortgages will or will not do for people who are generally most concerned about or talk about. Bank merger movements have created these humongous banks but left people hearts. Let's use Washington as an example Hart's War who lost with having to walk to a bank. I have about a third of the Black knew this is right and that is it has no checking or savings no banking relationship thanks primarily to check cashing places because they don't have access to more and more banks require you to have a credit rating. Simply put your money in them. Now this does create opportunities for black owned banks in Washington with gifted have several of those because they can induce a niche marketing by a large It separates people banking services and this is problematic. That means no credit rating no track record to reliability. Try to buy a home and you know there's a huge gap about forty eight percent of all African-Americans and adults near to

70 percent of all whites. Even with interest rates being with they are people paying rent that's equivalent to a mortgage you don't have enough African-Americans involved primarily because of the efficiencies in credit they think are partially a function of the bank and the bank burdens I think have been driven by profiteering and get again and no regard for new days. You know I never thought I would say anything nice about al the model. I really never in my life time thought I would but Al D'Amato was a champion of the Community Reinvestment Act and the current chair of the Senate banking committee Phil Gramm of Texas a bull Graham being in a lot of this. Not all of them and community reinvestment will you ways we could make sure the banks at least exhibited some responses. You also expressed some concern about how the average banking consumer would be affected by this because of the fees that these vets are known to put on and because of the apparent agreement among the banks rather than beating these fees can be put on without really explaining why these fees are needed the one you were upset about.

Most of all that if there's a few to go to an outside why are people also paying fees now to go inside the bank and deal with the real life human beings that let you know that was the proposal that is to call the bank floated a couple years ago and when they floated that proposal it just struck me as I do about it but I read you well you know Maxine Waters who was on the House Banking Committee and many others reality against it but it's come back up because you have had enormous banking consolidation. But you basically are saying to people no matter where you are you're going to hasten the acts of the banks are. Let's talk a little bit about the other issues outside of the two of us in this book. One of them one of two of my favorites live in many of us the Million Woman March with the wild 1970s when you were opposed to the odds that you would be so oh you're so having mixed people. I was opposed to the rhetoric as I recall there was this notion that black men should come and take back their families I might take a back and move you know to be paying child support and get it over with don't take

back anything we can share we've got to leave it's taking back and snatching back and that kind of rhetoric I think the rhetoric with anti-feminism the fact that women were uninvited uninvited in the room by the you know we were seen as pawns on a chess board and that that was problematic. However as you know I mean I've run a fairly open house and all the majority of the Million Man March you know by half a dozen folks sleeping on my floor going to the march and asking for rides at the time I was broadcasting. Also with their work I had some responsibilities as a broadcaster. So we're not gleefully. But I did go and found that the interview among the brothers would have imparted that with something worth noting. I also found the film afterwards. You on the bus have to be a good and uplifting film and I felt called to a lot of men who were friends and colleagues like my attorney. You're just really different really brought up with the bias of all these brothers feel good about it and I know they're not kids who am I to throw rocks at it.

Still at the Million Woman March. Julianne Malveaux among other places up here there and probably will be a million people maybe. How's And what's been the first of all I underestimated obviously. It's you know again I think these marches are about the you know black people going up and people wanting things wind direction wanting to belong to something wanting to build it up with. I don't have a problem that I have a problem. Now I wrote a piece in USA Today that got me vilified by these crazy sisters from the nation who in the name of sisterhood decided I was in a. But anyway you know if you want to mark some watch your dollars out of wife full on that's something you might try marching. You know we come together we don't know what I mean so I think we're both a million man march which would better organize and probably have better attention and Million Woman March. What has been the legacy and I think you have to say that then you put that together had a good time

will you wouldn't want the city of Philadelphia. Less than half a million dollars it's a lot Lou what the Philadelphia Eagles will dominate in that city. So I think that's a valid relatively good evening. And another couple of new columns in this book has to do with your discomfort. You have lots of boards more diversity and more to coach one. Well when diversity means that we're not going to look at the individual hoping that a part with side will become white folks will use it more for a little fella kept in the légion. Tiger Woods words we don't have any identity that is that. The fact is that America's original sin racism the original sin of ethnic Native American. You take the second set of words it's like we can talk about whites and people got to talk about the legacy it is that Congressman John Conyers consulate raises. Legislation to give us not simply to study them. You cannot decide on the total. That's why the fact

is that the economic consequences experience is that African-American and we even measure them. And it's simple and let's talk a little bit about that because on the one hand people will say that Julia and all those highly critical of what they're doing what the Sitch suggests in this case you have people who have different histories of entry in the United States Native Americans who are here to begin with and they were removed and you have the Africans being dragged over slaves. And since then you have had a number of different ethnicities who have emigrated here you go voluntarily but usually for economic reasons or the group you seem to be suggesting that then the problems of discrimination and racism that the old and the North that they cannot be looked at as one more post group that's being discriminated against. They have to be looked at in terms of the individual histories of solutions to their problems found on the basis of that individual system. Well I'm not suggesting that every time there's a higher that we go out and do a sociological treatise and say OK well you know let's think about slavery let's think about the fact that Mexico was an expletive. Well

what I'm suggesting is that in the present situation we need to deal with I think like golden It was insufficient. So you have a diverse work where you walk in there and see Asians and white people that's not sufficiently diverse the diversity movement has been so co-opted that you had diversity literature I do some diversity speak in training but that I didn't look at it was last year with a new business magazine said diversity was when you had a white woman from the northeast and one from the south. And these were diverse experiences and they're scratching my head saying excuse me this is another way of saying no black will you. Well you know and so I simply think that we have to focus on outcomes a lot of people don't want to focus on outcomes and I think that we've got a lot of verbiage along the way to prevent us from focusing on our moms that we talk about both altruism and you know the metaphors we always use our food you know the salad bowl you know the melting pot. No I don't want you know this is not a venue thing. I mean this is about it.

Because ultimately that's what's most important one of the things that makes you come across to the votes of the people with expect with a liberal therefore she will really be a threat to the world let the rule of the diversity as you can be expected to take certain positions on certain issues. How come you don't seem to simply follow the liberal because the liberal mainstream needs I mean there is no such thing as marching lockstep I think in March lots that the critical thinking is about looking at what we think American American should be like. I don't think we think about that. What kind of country do what does it mean to get there. There's a mean that we swallow facts because we all want to get along. You know Rodney King's Can we all get along the most profound state with the brother at the end of the dissent blows the hate was ever allowed to make it and we all get along. We answer is no we can't not when you have a museum in Washington D.C. not a monument the SLI don't tell me all the old bones at the bottom of the ocean that do not tell me that these contributions

not deserve to be lifted up and we all get. Are you saying you're opposed to those of the other. Not at all I'm saying that. I'm not opposed to it I think it's fine to be there I think it raises very important questions. I've questioned why the people who had the history here that is no longer than this country have no tribute to our heritage. When people hear an economist with Europe with the problem of poverty in order to solve the problem of poverty which we need to do is give money to poor people. It raises eyebrows and they say that she wouldn't know what she's talking about. It's you know MIT told me one time that they get more calls and we were asked without really get a degree there so we have about six of those they put our names on the side of old people that they really are you know what it means is that people are always trying to act as if we're people have economically deficient brain we have to get solutions if you have a problem economic depravity solve it or give the money I mean you have to have some big algorithm to say that you know we'll give you food stamps instead of

food or cash. Come on you know. You can't buy toilet paper. I'm talking about people. If you get them I will have to go there but please don't. But just think about it I mean it's a paternalism that underlies the way we treat you when you want to you want to say you. Well you know we think you should use your paycheck for food so we don't give you food stamps in lieu of your paycheck you know that if the society simply gives cash to the first poor person that it's wild spending bet cash on prostitution or illicit drugs that will stereotype the entire Indian stereotype the congressman. I mean even I would argue with that. But any time you know any type of the first time someone asked for a raise or you say raised by alcohol suddenly everybody wants a raise isn't wrong. I don't think so I think that we have to trust me. There are other things besides money that matter. Certainly access to education matters. Certainly this whole notion of how we live in a civil society and how we educate each other to live in a civil society matters. The whole issue of civility and how we

speak to each other all the issue of how we define public goods and our environment in terms of public transportation other things matter but ultimately we look at things like our school like quality of life. Money does matter and the whole lot here is reading that you have it doesn't and I want to say that I think you're back and we haven't even got to talking about the criminal justice system and we're just about out of time so don't start won't move with the system because we don't have another three hours here we have enough time to tell you the Julian Lobo's new book it's called Wall Street Main Street and the side street a Mad Economist Takes a stroll. What you will see do appear noble when we lose analysis of you here at a regular basis but on the book little accident. In November when voters in Prince George's County go to the polls the presidential nominees won't be

the only issue on their minds. Voters in the county will decide on whether to repeal the local law that limits the county executive and council members to serving two consecutive terms in office. Right now seven of the council's nine members and the county executive are barred from running for their offices in 20 02 County Executive Wayne Curry says he's in favor of repealing the term limits law. That's how you know how some of the Prince George's council members feel about the possible repeal of that law joining us in this segment is Thomas Hendricks shot of the 3rd District good to have you here and if you would be and want to Maloney of District 1. Welcome to you all the way. Mr. Henderson the voters voted in 1992 for term limits in Prince George's County. Why does the county council now decide that the voters should have the opportunity to vote again. We have it is a very substantial number of people who live in Prince George's County today that did not live in Prince George's County. Then by one estimate

perhaps as many as three hundred fifty six thousand people in as much as term limits limits one's democratic options. I believe these new residents ought to have an opportunity to vote on it especially since 300 perhaps as many as three hundred ninety six thousand people who lived in Prince George's County in 1992 have since departed I think it's wrong for the long since departed to limit choices for those newly arrived. Well it was in the county council that impose term limits in the first place residents of the county felt strongly about it went out. Gathered signatures. Did on the ballot. Got it voted for. Why not just leave it to the residents again. Well I believe my responsibility to my constituents is to facilitate democracy for them. I don't think it's fair for me to say to the many residents of my district that have moved into the county since 1990 to which quite a few of them that your options you have no choice with respect to

this option and if you want to choice go out and get a bunch of signatures. People of this county empowered me to give them that option. I believe it's my responsibility to use Mr Maloney. How do you feel about the my colleagues are so enthusiastic about you and their minions there by running again and your youth out that they put not one but two term limit he will build on the ballot last Tuesday. One for the county executive you know for the cost of the county executive for the question they will say that to. No person shall be eligible to serve more than two consecutive terms for the council but the county executive may run as millions he wishes. QUESTION He says that no person shall be eligible said No person shall be eligible to serve more than two consecutive terms executive. But the Council of these and they may run again. It's an interesting what theory supports both those rather

conflicting propositions and I think the voters will probably be somewhat amused confused when they go to the polls on question they question the because of their adopted two term limit provisions on the council in the county charter which conflicts with the other and this conflict is so pronounced that the proponents and not all council incidentally voted to use the gun about 6 to 3. And I think that is really hard with Scott and who's with Darren Wilson. Marvin Wilson over the opposing argue Scott the only Republican who are on the on the council that is absolutely right. You really did your homework a little bit. And so they've got something it's not going to be on the ballot which will say that if both of them take take effect then term limits for both are repealed. Although if you look at the bills themselves you're going to have to question a term of it would be a question the term limit. You'll have two different term limit provisions on charter in the charter.

You could easily read the language just the other way. Indeed would is the technical sense we're talking about a technicality here. These two measures do in fact conflict Mr. Henderson. What is the. Device but the County Council has decided to use to resolve that of now at the conference in adapting the legislation the council adopted legislation to fact that both are adopted. That particular section charter 3 0 7 8 repeal that's the impact of adopting both of them in any way. I might add that the attorneys for the county council have advised that in fact they are not they are not and like you there is no legal problem so the technicality has in itself. So if the voters vote in favor of both of them that would mean in effect that term limits will have been with you. That is good. Why are you Council member Maloney proposed for the repeal of time in the end.

Well the same proposition that allowed or did 17000 people to take up the station and place it on the ballot. Same propositions same questions in the same circumstances that the don't hundred 5000 people vote. It still exists today. Knowledgeable potentiality but the actuality or abuse in a trench in the government political incumbents and government in the county which is essentially a one party and where most of many if not most elections are uncontested. The opponents of the term limits have always said well the voters should have their choice each election. But what kind of choice is it in Prince George's County where a great many elections for county council and for county executive are unopposed. You had no choice there. And that's the way it has been a one party unity for a great many years.

But it's your party why are you objecting. If not more than a question of Rob here to represent more than just a party here to represent what I hope just a vision of you choice and when that occurs in transfer of power takes place regardless of whose party is involved and the friends that you find situations it would be just be reading out of the paper the other day of the county executive putting heat on contractors to do this and that or making favored contractors favored political cronies giving them advice on tracks. That doesn't matter whose party is involved. The taxpayers are being disadvantaged by that whole situation. And but if you have contested elections they really have no choice. Last Nineteen ninety eight nobody ran against the county executive. In general I know he did have an opponent in the prime in the primary he did but it was an under financed

primary election of the opponent who didn't know until three weeks before the filing deadline whether he was a Republican or a Democrat. That was if it was a fiction if we're going to blame that on Tom. I'm not blaming it on terms I mean I'm I'm saying term limits as a remedy for that kind of a situation. As far as the council is concerned or the nine incumbent councilman had no primary election and no general election position. All it took for them to get re-elected was to put out $25 filing in the election office and others had really fictional type or not unrealistic and not very well financed opposition to that. So. It was hard it was a source of tournaments is concerned I am not here that already where you take proposition term when it is altered in all circumstances and everywhere. A An essential element of good government. Even though 58 million people live under in peril and as of now what I'm saying is terrible

image was every main Prince George's answer to you and your dues problem and I think in very broad terms I've tried that one. Just ahead a shot Mr Maloney makes the argument that you're basically a one party state and that the only way that there is going to be fresh blood in office is if there are term limits. If you and your colleagues are simply seeking to perpetuate your own tenure in office and that if there were term limits then there would be some guarantee that you would not be able to sit in that position. Indefinite. I think we ought to trust them but I think people can be trusted to choose to send me back to the office or choose not to do so as the case may be or with respect to my colleagues who were elected in 1990. Who have been acclaimed for the job they've done on Prince George's County Council. I don't see why their constituents or not have the opportunity to send them back or to get rid of and keep others as the case may be.

Your own position you can run in 20 0 to bet is going to force the point of the film. I was not assuming that I did it in a special light and then you were re-elected in 1998. So you are technically serving the forst term that is correct for the time. Let me say further on this business about it self serve and I think that's very on there with my colleagues who unlike me in more than one number two. I don't think it's any more self-serving for my colleagues to put something of this kind on ballot to determine whether they can run again and then just go ahead and run again if that happens then it is for those who are proponents of term limits to impose term limits on a certain group of people and then when the CHP came up and turn around and run for the seats which at least for the leaders of the term limits campaign from 1992 did exactly that. One is no more self serving than the other. I think the real beneficiaries of

repeal term limits are the people I believe people can be trusted to choose their leaders will not choose their leaders. I think that's what democracy is all about. And I think term limits are fundamentally on them. As to the two party system business. Yet Democrats tend to predominate in Prince George's County. I think if Republicans want to have more of the following in Prince George's County Republicans need to represent the interests of the people of Prince George's County and national state and at the local level. Well the same about unable to do that. That's their problem. We should not take power away from the people with Prince George's County because the Republicans have. Been unable to take positions of which to be Mr Maloney you are not a Republican so I'm not going to ask you to speak on behalf of publicans. However I will ask you your point of view. The fact that Mr. Hendershot is pointed out that the population of the county has shifted significantly since

1992 with some one hundred and seventy six thousand moving out and about a hundred and fifty six thousand moving in and that many of those the majority of those moving in are African-American and that in 1992 the majority of African-American voters voted against term limits and so I guess what he's saying is that now that there are more African-American residents of the county they may probably feel the same way about term limits as those African-Americans who voted in 1992 in other words the party want to throw it out. Well first of all I don't think history made any reference to the race of those who moved in or moved out in this discussion I'm sorry and I have been reading his literature. Well I'm not but I mean at least somebody's not going to be here to play a race card because which we play a race card. You ignore a lot of facts for instance or we have four black members of the County Council.

Two of those members were replacements for white county council members who previously held those seats but for term limits those seats would still be held by black members or by white members in districts which they now represent. So I don't think that that's a situation or consider air proper consideration. Secondly I doubt these figures I think the most of the people new residents of Prince George's County are people who were born since 1992 and those who didn't vote in the election in 92 and who are yearning to vote now for term limits repeal them are for the most part under the age of 8. But nevertheless we have a situation. If that were the case why weren't all these people out in the shopping gathering signatures as we needed to and placing this on the ballot themselves. Where is this groundswell to get to and it doesn't exist. If when you

have a population change you're going to amend that particular part of the charter that restricts your attempt to run again. Why not. As someone pointed out in our hearing you know that the whole charter and put it up for grabs again and see where the new voters want to go back to County Commissioner government that existed 30 years ago or any other provision in the charter. You say the same thing about trm that came on four years ago the tax gap and everybody said well these new voters who want to have their say it tax caps and they had their say have they put it back on they put it in the butt and why why by wider margins than than before. But it's on the ballot no point worrying about it's on the ballot now. These are you time limited in plenty. Indeed I am and I've also I have said that regardless of the referendum I will not run again. Very consistent me to do so. Having taken an active role in placing thing on the ballot

in securing its adoption and now enjoying to retain its position as party chart but I do trust them to and I trust him so much as I say that when they have spoken and spoken rather recently on lighting just 8 years ago that what they have said ought to be retained in the charter until they themselves take the effort to do that and this that is not a good. That's all the time we have in this edition of the best of me. Thanks for watching.