Evening Exchange; Men's Health

Vigorously this is evening exchange for tonight Thursday July 30th 1992. Hi I'm called John on the tonight at 7. Even the exchange is all about men's health. Joining us will be a psychiatrist who will talk about the deadly attacks on the black male psyche at home and in the workplace. A family practitioner who will address the importance of preventive health care and herbalists Will suggested several natural therapies and the head of an impotence clinical will speak openly about a subject that is taboo to most men. And that's tonight at 7:00 evening exchange right here on channel 32. Prostate cancer stress. High blood pressure depression impotence. It's men's

health right. Coming up next an evening Xchange. Good evening and welcome to evening exchange. I'm called John on the last night. The topic was women's health. Tonight the men have their turn to talk about men's health issues. There are some men who feel that if they're not sick then hey why see a doctor for that I'm not sure what kind of doctor to see if they are ill. Hopefully our guest tonight can answer these questions and more. Joining me Dr. Theodore Watkins as a family practitioner. Dr. Edward Kirby is a professor of psychiatry from Howard University and Prem the been an herbalist. Gentlemen welcome. What tends to be the most common problem among the men who come to see you. I guess I would say that it depends on the age. OK. Young

men they tend to come for infections. Older men tend to come for in potency then there are others who come for you know their blood pressure is out of whack or but it's amazing that with men sexual problems seem to be a factor and it's going to be interesting that you have someone dealing with impotency later on later over and over. But those are some of the the major things that get men into that see the doctor from the bin. I don't know why but because you are an herbalist I suspect that maybe a higher percentage of your patients come to see you for general checkups before they get ill. Is that necessarily so. Well it's a combination with me because I'm also a clinical hypnotherapist. Right. And so many people come who have depression anxieties years and then their

sexual problems connected with that. So we try to first handle the cause if we can the behavioral problems that will lead to sexual dysfunction. Then we go into the herbal connection and there are many young people who come because they don't want to use drugs or any type of medical process right away. They feel that they can get a herbal solution to that problem. It would be a better solution. Dr. Kirby let me come at this backwards because yesterday we talked with women and I've been reading a lot of books by women lately where they're telling men in general and black men in particular look we know you have problems. But the fact that you have problems being a black male in American society is not the worst thing on the planet. There are those of us who have more problems so you cannot victimize us claiming that this society causes you so many problems. What is the difficulty that goes with being a black male in this country.

Well years ago I was asked. What type of psychiatric problems what type of emotional problems blacks had. And my answer was that they had every emotional problem that white people had plus the problems of being black in the United States. And all you have to do is pick up the newspaper and there is something in there I can guarantee you that's an assault on your self-esteem. As a black person you are the. Last to be hired the first to be fired. Many men can't fulfill their role as provider increases his hostility towards his spouse who has the right to want to be taken care of. So then we have a black man I think have a lot of depression. Much of it is

mask. Masking alcoholism. With drug drug addiction promiscuity. And that in itself leads to another problem because we have AIDS. 300 times more than than white. The rate in the black is about to be more than than it is and that's the highest for about 45 years. It's not that surprising. To what extent does it manifest itself. In stress and how would all of you gentlemen treat stress. Well I have. My practice is a holistic practice. And so I try to not just look at the problem that's the person presents with but also what is around that problem. It is fairly unusual for a medical doctor to have a holistic practice. Would you say that however it is a rising trend.

It is. When I started in practice about 10 years ago I was sort of a sore thumb. But I mean people didn't like doing this. Members of your profession didn't go out like I stuck out like I saw. I. I sort of develop a philosophy that I wanted to maintain the respect of my peers. While I practice holistic medicine. It's interesting if you read the textbook of medicine the textbook of medicine is holistic but the practice of medicine is not. All right. Why is that. I mean I know where it's in the eyes of some people going off at a tangent here but I think ultimately these are important issues. I think the reason that there are multiple reasons one it has not been emphasized. One professor when I asked him when I was in training I asked him what why aren't we doing some of the things that Nathan printed and preaches. I was on psychiatry. I mean on cardiology

and I was asked is extremely good cardiologists. I was asking him why aren't we doing some of the things that Nathan Pentagon is suggesting that we do to prevent heart disease. He said two reasons one the public does not want it to. There's no money in it. And I think that those are those are some realities. So a stumbling block therefore in in the public policy arena of preventive health care because because because it's perceived by doctors as having no money in it yes there's there's a large there's a large stumbling box still. Much of the money in medicine is in diagnosis diagnosis you know diagnostic procedures. And in. Operative procedures. So you know there there is a. There is a sort of a push not to

be holistic because you know you're you know you don't get paid for just sitting down and talking to your patient. Stress. I'd like to comment on what I keep going down that road. Right. It's not that doctors don't want to practice holistic medicine but your reimbursement managed care programs. I have a tendency to discourage a holistic approach. Dr. Watkins could not really afford. With say a Medicare patient to sit down and spend the time that it would take time. You have to get a product. Many insurance companies see medicine as a product. And they see us as working on a production line and therefore you have to move people along. As a consequence if you look at the income people who work

cognitively rather than with a lot of tests their income is much lower than those that use a lot of expensive tests so the family practitioner is the pediatrician. The psychiatrists are on the low lower end of the man on the totem pole. Yes because we have to spend time with our patients which is precisely what you do. Prem practitioners of holistic medicine. Spend at least about an hour with each patient when they come in is that correct. That's true. Tell us how you approach stress. Well. Along with Dr. Watson like is saying we're basically looking at the person the whole person. And again holistic medicine really requires a lot more work and so a lot more time to go into but stress has to be dealt with in my profession by looking at the real causes you go back to the anger in this person's life the fear the anxiety. And that's a burden on the body. We may not think about it because it's something we think about. I am angry with someone but that

burden we often confuse stress with tension because we tend to feel which is stress you don't feel in the same way I don't normally feel because it's so heavy that you think it's normal and until you can take it out of the body's presence then you don't really know the difference between what I feel like when I'm not stressed and what I feel like when I am so through a new science has got a new name but it's an old science psycho neuro immunology That's the mind body link. It's always been there. They just give it a new name. But through connecting the person with their body letting them talk to this body self you come up with another set of understanding processes and this is what we do with the therapy process is to get the person to talk to their bodies. Why is that in modern society we are seeing such a rise in stress and all of its various manifestations over and above being black in America. We're seeing overall rise stress.

Well the uncertainty. When I came through school I knew that even if I had obtained a bachelor's degree my economic. Condition would be better than if I just had a high school diploma. That's not so. Ph.D. sometimes or pumping gas. Most young people nowadays will have at least three totally different careers over a lifetime so there is instability there's breakdown in family support systems. I was talking to a person where the military used to be a good out for a lot of young black males. I can recall some very disturbed boys I worked with recommending they go in the army. They went and made a career. You no longer can count on that there. What did they call it downsizing in the military.

So there's a level of uncertainty in society that was not at the same high level when you were a young person. We know that high blood pressure is a particular problem among black males even though it is like other problems that exist in society at large. Is there a relationship between stress and high blood pressure. We believe that there is certainly one can in a laboratory hook someone someone up to. A blood pressure monitor and. Add stress to them and their systolic blood pressure will go up. It is difficult to to quantify that as far as a chronic problem and so what they call it essential hypertension when we can't find any other reason for the high blood pressure. B It's not due to a tumor.

Or is not due to something in the kidney or narrowing of the artery that we say it's essential hypertension and that gets more to the from a medical standpoint that gets more to the psycho. Medical aspects as stress. How do you treat hypertension. Well in my work if it's not just luck. And so it's not because of those situations you mentioned if it's because this person has lived in this stress for a while. First I get them to deal with their own anxieties. Looking at him checking them out making their priorities known to themselves then there are some herbal things that I can suggest to them. One is to use garlic. Garlic is an intelligent stress reducer in our society especially in the black community because we take in a lot of oils in our food. But if you put garlic and onions usually the garlic most of all the body tends to knock down high blood pressure or raised Llobet which it can do either one by its usage

is there. Is there a way to use garlic to excessively. I've heard complaints about some people who get so obsessed with garlics healing properties that they virtually radiate garlic. Well I have a partner who experiments with garlic garlic tremendously. So far he's OK. He's taken up to three to four bulb's of garlic a day. Oh and it cleanses the system but then it goes back to using it in conjunction with someone that can help you regulate your diet. So it's best to speak to a physician or with someone who is working with it. You know hypertension is a silent killer. Blacks have about I think about 100 times more than whites and it accounts for market ammunition in life expectancy.

We often have end stage renal diseases. Kidneys are shot from at. Males have a hard time accepting dependency. I know physicians who haven't had a physical examination since they went to med medical school. This is because this physicians have not had a physical as like another physician who told me that she she knows a lot of cardiologists who smoke. Cigarettes. Yeah that's amazing thing. And so what I try to do is when a person comes in. I think a specialist should make sure this person is under the care of a family practitioner or an internist to check out these other kids. Well I call it the silent killer hypertension. Blacks have a higher incidence of glaucoma and also a lot of diabetes and it goes undetected. And and by the time is detected there

is a lot of damage. Not my work. See people cycle therapeutically talk therapy we sit down and we talk. I try to help them find out who they are how they got to be the way they are the pressures that they're they're under. And usually if they can find that out they can do something about it. But very often I may have to use psycho trophic medications. Various sorts of what they call tranquilizers. Now people say I don't want drugs but I don't give drugs I give medication drugs has that streak. That's that's the kind of state connotation is that I never use drugs I use medication. With my patients that semantics shouldn't make that much of a difference. But it does. OK. And a long and now men that I have few men. Patients and I think that's pretty good because men have a hard time accepting dependency. I need help that's hard for men. I can handle it myself. I was just going to stop doing this. I started doing that to what extent does

diet contribute to hyper. Well I was going to say with hypertension as with most of the chronic illnesses I approach it I try to deal with some of that anxiety and you know lack of goals and so forth also but I try to try to look from a holistic standpoint. There are some dietary factors. We know that if we can decrease our fat we can increase our our Henri unrefined carbohydrates our fruits vegetables whole grains. If we can actually decrease our protein and it's you know there's a myth we think we have to have so much protein but we really don't we need a lot of protein in our society because of the dairy and the meat industry. But you know most countries don't eat a lot of protein. So we try to regulate the diet. We try to get people and goals say goals

is extremely important if you don't know where you're going you're not going to like where you end up. And that that in itself can bring a lot of stress. Exercise you know and. This year in particular I have even gone up on my expectation of my patients as far as exercise. And I tell them I want them to become athletes. I want them to function at their maximum potential. All right that is very interesting. We will pick up on that point when we come back. We do have to take a short break. Don't go away. We'll be right back. Come back the topic is men's health and we are joined by Dr. Theodore Watkins he's a family

practitioner Dr. Edward Kirby is a psychiatrist and Prim. the bin you've seen here before. He is an herbalist doc Watkins when he broke off you were talking about the value of things like exercise and helping to prevent hypertension or to treat it prevented and treated. It's a whole a whole process. You know I tell people I said that you know what I what I want to do is assist you in changing your life style. You know I said I don't know right up front. You know that is my goal to assist you. You are a mob boss. I'm not yours. I've I've seen somebody write someplace about exercise. They say you should not look at exercise as just a thing for the body. It is not just a physical thing. There's a spiritual aspect to it. Could you expand on that from your. Well exercise is basically a way of being as dark to walk and saying you don't want to just do it. It should be something you have as you existence

part of your existence. When individuals come in they want to do do exercise to lose weight or gain weight then they're not living that they're just putting up a goal that could not could be knocked down very easily. I tell people to do exercise just for the heck of it so that they don't put the expectations out so far. Right. And then they can live as if this is their breakfast or that line is part of their life. And unless people do that with their lives then all the work that the holistic medicine is offering is going to fall flat on its face. You cannot do that with holistic medicine you must become your own advocate for your life as Dr. Walker is saying. And we also believe that unless that happens regularly you're not going to go far in your own healing process. Let's talk about prostate cancer which seems to be. Increasing at least in terms of our understanding of it among men especially over the age of 50 years old. What I noticed Dr. Kirby is that I see a great many

commercials around town encouraging men who are over 50 to go get a checkup for prostate cancer and we get back to men not liking to have anything checked if there's nothing wrong if there are no symptoms at this point. How do you get people to do that. You hit 50 you start getting checkups. Well it's. It's very hard. And I know physicians who have never had a finger in their rectum did check the prostate. And it's sad because. Most of the cancer in men within is within grasp almost you feel. You take a look. You would pick up the bow low about cancers but there is this reluctance. I don't know what to do about it this reluctance goes to two to a lot of things that men have a problem. In. Getting examination. A lot of times I've

seen public health clinics under utilized staff sitting around. And so the facilities are there alive. We can say well these. Of. The services and the service is there getting people to follow through. It's it's very deep. I can testify that when you get examined for prostate the finger of the rectum is not the most pleasant feeling in the world. There is some discomfort there but it's well worth the effort. Why prostate cancer are so prevalent these days. Well we really don't know. You know many of the factors that were associated with prostate that we talked about were prostate cancer. They they're coming you know they used to say increased infections and black males were the reason but you can't really say that one of the things that we do know though is that prostate cancer is just like cancer of the breast is higher and people who are on a diet as high in

fat and so that seems to be a factor is higher in people who smoke cigarettes. It appears that the are some of the chemicals are concentrated in the prostate and and lead to prostate cancer I feel that probably diet plays a significant role because the prostate has caused the boom been bay bay by by impurities and and those are causing some problems. Now you asked the question in terms of how do you get people in. Well getting them in is sometimes extremely difficult. You need to get their attention. They need to have a reason to come in. You know I mentioned earlier a number of the young men when they come in they come in because of sexual problems. They get some kind of some kind of infection aldermanic comes in because he's not able to perform. But once we

get the man. Then what I attempt to do is to is to get on get on their wavelength try to meet them where they are and recognize that they want to live. All right. You know we assume that well you know he doesn't care about living but that's just not true. He wants to live. But we have to meet people where they are and often we have failed to do that. How would you treat them. There are two things could you of course I'm a maverick. I'm the on the the maverick. One is we're in the black community and in the world community there's a lot of education needs to be done and I think you're speaking to that with this program. That's the first doorway to really educate the community so that we easily talk about sexual matters and understand how this machinery works. Right. And in our work that's basically what we're attempting to do. But there are two things that concern me about prostate cancer because I have a lot of work around that. Number one

there are seven glands in our body. The first one being the testicles and the male and the ovaries and the female and the testicles as well as the brain kind of have a connection together. When you put zinc into your body that's where zinc goes both to your brain and to your testicles if you expand your body's usage of seminal fluid on a regular basis. You are losing a very essential part of your body's components. And you cannot keep doing that. You only get a certain amount of fluid to maintain this existence. So we find in our work that if you can keep the zinc level high and refrain from the loss of sexual fluids on a regular basis then the body then produces a different type of prostate development coupled with the fact that the rectum is this close to the prostate. And there's an open area between the two. So the prostate gland is about that Dick when infections in the rectal area move across the line. They can infect that

prostate very easily. So keeping the rectal area clean is very important as well as not losing the prosthetic fluid itself. Now of course the guys are going to say well I've got to be a man but there are some very important things that if they learn them about their sexual nature they would change their whole life. They would be amazed. And I think that's what we're talking about here. What are those situations that will allow that change. One is it's just like the rest of the six glands I mentioned the thyroid the adrenals the pituitary the piano and a few other glands. The fluid in the prostate should not leave your body except for the exception of having children. The ancients who have developed ancient medicine the Egyptians the Chinese and Japanese for six thousand years use processes to keep the prosthetic fluid and the seminal fluid in the body and by doing so you became much stronger much more resilient and the prostate itself became

good a good object in your body to keep going. After all it makes the orgasm happen. You want to keep it going. I had a college roommate who whenever we would be going out on a Saturday night would say I'm not coming nobody is going to relieve me of my natural fluids. And we all left. Now it would appear that he was making a lot more sick and a lot less than we did. However it is my understanding that if the enlargement of the prostate is discovered at an early point then it can be treated rather than if it is allowed to get into the backbone. One of the things we have to understand is that most large of the prostate is not prostate cancer. There are two types of in large and one is called benign prostatic hypertrophy and the others cancer of the prostate. Most people who have. Enlargement have the benign form. But we can now detect prostate cancer at a much earlier stage. Two things in particular there's there's one there's a new blood test that you

can do where you can. I just did it on a patient yesterday where you can draw the blood and send it out to the lab and they would detect a prosthetic enzyme. I asked phosphatase enzyme that can detect prostate prostate cancer at a much earlier stage. The other is there's something called Trance recto so not graphy where you can actually take a picture of the prostate and see cancer at a very high stage so that if a person comes in and certainly if there's if they come into an astute doctor and most doctors should be astute in the black community should be examining that prostate then and asking questions. Is there any change and the urinary stream etc. etc.. You know then one should be able to make a diagnosis is a very early age and it can be treated and treated.

How about a medication called Proscar which when it first emerged was thought to be not only very effective in treating prostate. Cancer or in a large amount of the prostate but which now apparently has some question because of side effects that they're saying that it might have. Can anyone comment on that. I can't really comment. The only thing I know I think it's been approved by the FDA has at hand. So it's in use at this point. Well I don't know if it's in use but I know it's recently been approved by the FDA how not use it in my practice. Ok how about heart disease. Another major problem. Among men and black men in particular. Well see. We have about 40 percent more heart disease than white. Have. I was looking at the National Medical Association News. And. The first story is a study reveals several arachnoid and enter cerebral hemorrhage is occurring more than blacks

as compared to whites. At the end of the article they talk about smoking. As a main contributor. And as you well know that many tobacco companies are targeting the black neighborhoods especially young black males young black males. The other article in here is hype. High blood pressure still is a silent killer. So we do have more heart disease. Then again it suggests the lifestyle. Yeah. You know we have more of everything just about OK. But the reality is one of the things that we need to understand is that we don't have to have more. You know it is a choice people are choosing to live and people are choosing to die you know. But ofttimes those choices are sort of subconscious. We need to bring it to the conscious level where we can consciously say well I want to live or you know I don't really feel that I'm worthy of living. Just let me die

you know. Well this is when you said that they want to live you know one of our biggest public health problems is black on black violence and homicide. That's the greatest cause of death in 18 to 35 year olds is is a homicide. On examining some of the. Young people you can almost see it coming. There is. A lot of actually staying tonight. It's almost like suicidal some of the things that they get involved in. So some people are very private. Let me relate that to what you were saying doctor because it seems that what you're saying is that a lot of people seem to feel that it is normal. For the incidence of certain illnesses to be higher among blacks than they are among. Exactly.

And you do feel that we shouldn't backstop that is going on you know it was mentioned earlier that every day documented it every day you're going to see something negative in the media about blacks. You know it's interesting to me I've commented on it twice now they've had two large drug busts recently in D.C.. All right. And you know all this money and all these men and the only people they have arrested are black people. You look at a TV you would assume that the people who are really pushing drugs in this city are black. But that's not so that's that's true. You know the people who are really making the money who all the planes and all the ships and you know are not black. In addition to several studies have shown that 70 percent of drug consumption in the United States is done in the suburbs by middle class people who many of whom work professionally for a living and that it's simply easier for the

police to concentrate on street level situations in inner cities. But maybe that's part part is political you see because the politicians determine where the money is going to go in terms of crime. And it makes a big deal for the president to look like he is hard on fry. Got to take a break. But I wanted to hear before we do that prendre been on heart disease on heart disease. You want to look at the body again and see that the body really has no place for negative energies. Anger fear frustration etc.. So we concentrate a lot of that emotional energy at the heart space and the heart's not going to take it. It's just not made for that kind of existence. So part of what we have to do is again get all of this negative energy out of our system start thinking better about it. So this is Dr. doctor that you've got to bring your self-esteem up or have someone help you do it so that you really think better about yourself. Otherwise heart attacks are going to be something that's going to come naturally to you.

As Dr. Dawkins says we don't need to have it any more. What do you say quickly to the person who said well my father had a heart attack. My grandfather had a heart attack. I have a genetic predisposition to heart disease. I don't want to hear the stuff about self-emptying family history and genetic predisposition. Not to say that you're OK and we need to understand. It's also very interesting that when you when you do it when we do treadmills and cornier angiograms the incidence of blockage in the block is actually lower than it is in the White. But we're having heart brother hit hit on it. We have all of this negative in us and our hearts are stopping not just because they're clogged with with cholesterol though there's too much in there but there are many other factors associated. We have to take a short break. When we come back we'll talk to the president of an impotence the clinic. Stay with us. We. Are back discussing men's health in this segment we will focus

on impotence reportedly there are 25 million American men suffering from some form of impotence. Now we are joined by George O'Brian the president of gentleness and impotence Clinic. Welcome to evening exchange. Please describe for our viewers the three most common forms of impotence three most common forms like. Inability to have interaction totally having an interaction not being able to maintain it and getting soft directions and on the outside of that well it's not technically classified as impotence is premature ejaculation. Now most men are very reluctant to discuss impotence generally and used to be reluctant to consult with any physicians or any professionals about it. True true impotence was used to be was a loss of manhood. It's on your mind on thing. And one last time you went to a doctor's office and on this questionnaire for physical says how's your sex life. Most people don't discuss it.

It's not it's a medical problem and it's part of the medical problem. Some of that psychogenic. There. And it's caused by other things. High blood pressure diabetes vascular problems all those things that you see on a day to day basis in your office. Our job is to let people know that it is not a loss of manhood. It's nothing to be ashamed about. It's a medical problem and it can be treated. It's not curable but it's treatable. Just like being diabetic. What do you mean it's not curable but it's treatable. You can if you're diabetic you can treat it just and live a great life. Use your insulin watch your diet and do the things you're supposed to do. There's no cure for impotence. It's treatable. It's 100 percent treatable the ultimate which is the thing of the past today almost as the implant through the pharmaceutical ration program can the pump and implant. If you're an impotent you can be treated and you can you can live a good life. We'll talk about the treatments in a second but it used to be my understanding that it may not

necessarily be a medical problem that it may be a psychological problem. And I'd be interested in your comments. Yes. And actually when a person comes in and is impotent you have to determine why that person is impotent and you there is a workup for for them. You have to exclude certain diseases such as diabetes such as hypertension. There are certain medications that can bring on impotence. We as we were talking in the interim are. Especially some of the medicines for hypertension that we used to use would make a person impotent. You know I rather die of a stroke than lose my ability to perform sexually. And I know that a lot of men simply stop taking the medication. The ones I found interesting were the ones who stopped taking them on weekends. They didn't want to take them. Maybe then I got to go out and perform on the weekend. I stopped taking them but then that puts them in

danger of having them. I think what I think what they need to know is that some of the newer medications tend not to make a person impotent. Then there are other things you know the garlic. The parsley zinc etc. things that you can do to treat hypertension that will not cause results present. Well there are people who come because they already have these situations in their lives and they don't know what they did. And that's what we try to correct for is get the medication out of your life. I just had an experience recently of a person who was on a medication for asthma and was impotent. So basically it was to get that medication corrected and once it was out of the system it took three months. Then the body responded correctly. So that has to be looked at. Now drugs as such are not always the drugs that we think they are. You can make at empted by giving them sugar the whole and you will fall

apart under that. Can I keep that in mind and post it. It really has to be a situation of looking at our diet and understanding that there are certain foods you can put into your body that will bring down your blood the beadle tremendously. And if you keep that going in your system for a long time of course you're going to have functional impotence. Let's talk about treatment because genotypes has a treatment which to my surprise according to your literature guarantees from the very first treatment an hour long erection which we will be extremely happy to do. Time time time wasting time. I guarantee you every day. Yes. That's what I thought I saw. You know what treatment the pharmaceutical direction program is effective for 95 percent of men with the problem. The other five percent of the people that we see that can treat them are usually the people they have to have the prosthesis for some reason and that's it that's a decision made by the medical staff at that particular

point how our program works. We recognize all the things that you're saying has to be true and takes part of the body and everything else there. The drugs that we use at this press Glenn and the one it's not John product it was a vasodilator. If you can't get blood into the penis you cannot have an erection. He can't keep keep the butt in the penis. You lose the interaction. So what the drug does is injected into the corporate tissues and the back end of the penis. Well there are no nerve endings. It opens up the vessels and brings the blood into the penis and keeps the blood in the penis for a period of an hour. Now on his first visit there he's given a full physical diagnostic and everything else there. We do the PSA scan to prostate and we have and he's given the test Jackson said when he leaves that he leaves with an erection he has to keep track of the duration and rigidity when he comes back in 48 to 72 hours. His information about rigidity and duration Plus the diagnostic bloodwork him tied together

his dosage his fix for him. He's taught how to use inject the system and he functions. He goes out and he functions where he wants to function where he wants to function so that people. Who have not been able to function for 10 or 15 years and they left there with tears in their eyes several questions. OK. First and foremost when he gets the first injection and he's supposed to have an erection for about an hour why. And he's supposed to the person is supposed to write down or whatever the information to bring back to you. Two weeks later why not just keep that person there because one of the myths of growing up is that if you have an erection for a long period of time and there is no outlet for it then it can result in a great deal of pain. As I recall another myth that is a myth that's accompaniment well is pain involved I'm sure you know if you've got the muscles in the penis. That. Hadn't happened stretching elongated for a period of time just like any other muscle in your body when you start using it you're going to get a muscle soreness. And we tell them that and we tell them to take some aspirin or

something to relieve that muscle soreness and that it will occur the first and second time until the muscle tone gets back into the muscles of the penis that they have. And so they understand that it happens to some people it doesn't happen to everybody. Second inject is the guide then is able to do himself yeah after a while. You're saying that this is the treatment and that there's no cure so that this is a permanent treatment. This is what the person does. There are as far as we know no side effects of this process according to the manufacturer which is Upjohn there are no side effects and there are no country indications to the medication. It's the safest medication there is one program first started. It started out with the parent. Now Tavern has a bad news type. It had effects on the liver tissue scarring cataracts and it was only effective for 20 percent of the people who had a problem. Then they came along and they mixed their own reputation and that was confected. Sixty five percent of the people with the problem. But again the base was prepared an and that had the same kind

of problems prostate gland. And according to the medical community and according to the manufacturer no side effects no. No problems no tissue scarring no liver problems etc.. So what got pregnant. Well one of the things that we do is to try to find out why a person may not be performing correctly. You know it's really amazing because we live in a society that's very much like a zoo animals in the zoo become impotent. But we don't have that in the wild so to speak the well meaning natural living processes. So somehow I think it's about whether or not we learn the reasons instead of developing treatment programs that continue for a person's life. This body is an excellent machine. If you treat it correctly then individuals will know how to make it work. Right. And that's what we're really aiming at in our work to help people handle this problem impotency. There are a lot of natural things you can do of course to bring yourself back to full stature.

But that has to be the again the work. It means the individual must want to work up on oneself as opposed to taking something to inject yourself. I know it sounds like a real job to make love with a needle on the side here but if I have a guy I don't want to have a needle in your life I go for it. But there are some things that naturally can be done. And if you know we would look for those things in our society and try to help each other I think that's going to be a good thing to do. And he's you know he's perfectly right. I mean there's some people who prefer to work with you and you program them to do things like that. And there's that segment of the population that wants to do that. Then there's the other segment the population that would prefer to work with us in our particular environment and then work or work with you and you're taking over. So there's this room his program is excellent I'm sure it works program works in his brain. So it's going to affect different

people. Dr. Watkins Yeah I think that once again one has to look at it from a holistic standpoint. Are there some people for whom the injection program may be the thing. There's some that it may be the thing for a short period of time. You know I like to I like to take people where they are and if they come in and if their main anxiety they need to have an erection if they aren't willing to go through the other things then hey I would I refer refer them for the injection. I would hope that we could also continue to work so that they would not be dependent upon that for the rest of their lives. You know many of them can be. I remember one patient of mine his his girlfriend came and complained and that's why we get embarrassed by stuff like that. That's why I guess it's good to start and going yourself guys don't get a girlfriend going in and out and so I asked I spoke with them and we talk and then he had

some serious medical problems. We took care of his medical problems. We put him on our cleansing program. We changed his diet. We got him walking. He came in one day. He had these black pants black suit pants this black sweater and this pink shirt he was Sharper's to be had. I smiled to the other. All right. And his girlfriend was smiling. And I said. What. He said man whatever you did worked. You know now I can't. You know he can't get enough. And what we did basically was change his lifestyle. We controlled some of the medical problems that he had and that for him was sufficient. Now some people would do that and they'll need more. And then we need to say all right we have something else or we may want to try some herbs and so forth first and then you know I think that it needs to be a a

gradual process. But you have to take the person where they come. You mentioned something about what I said. Girls calling it as many calls from women as we do for men and making appointments. And quite often their wives will come in with them and to do to go through what's happening there. And that tells tells us they're communicating. Because we had a this would be an interesting one for you. We had a young couple come in from the Maryland area and they were in their 30s you know very nice young couple. And he had been diagnosed diabetic. And he had sat down and he started to lose a sex drive exergy couldn't get an erection and he couldn't. And they came for consultation. And I said to them and talking to him and consulting him. I said Didn't your doctor tell you that you are diabetic. You probably would become impotent. And the whole lives woke up again. He said no nobody told us that. And so we did the examination on him and he AIDS

blood work and the meals he got the tests actually analyzing him back together. One simple thing nobody is nobody bothered to tell him that you could become infected with diabetes and isn't inevitable that with diabetes you will ultimately become impotent if you know is that inevitable is inevitable if your diabetes is uncontrolled. And by control. We now know that means to have the blood sugar normal. We used to call control having the blood sugar around 200. But the interesting thing to me and it used to. It used to bother me because they said well you can control the blood sugar but the complication of diabetes would not decrease. But that's not control control as being normal. So if we get the blood sugar normal and it's easiest to do that we work on the whole person. We get good exercise and eating right. We get to be excited about life. They get the blood sugar control and then the last comment is yours.

Well first of all I think the body really needs to be looked at as a whole and as we look at the process by developing the body all the things that we're looking at here together is really to turn to the community and has to really open up come in as come and find out what can be done. There are many processes available and in this way we can help the community tremendously. I have been really energized by this discussion because as prent pointed out and Dr. Watkins as you all have it shows that there are a variety of treatments and processes available and we would certainly urge all of you to make use of them but at least start the process by going in. We have to take a short break but we'll be right back. Welcome back. I don't know what it is but these hours we spend together seem to be getting shorter and shorter

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