Woods & Waters; Paul Atwood

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Good for you. It's in waters that your host. But let it be. Our topic this evening is water something that we have been a great amount in the state of Maine. A year ago in this series of programs Paula put a bra made a remark in passing during one of our interview programs. Down the road Maine would finally recognize as well as all of its citizens that the most precious resource that we have is a thing called water. Fascinating topic and hopefully tonight you will know more about it. Paula's again I guess this evening and we're going to discuss the thing called Water Paul right off the bat Are there any mists with

respect to water. Oh lots of old wives tales and collection of myths that the. Population. Keep about water. I spent so many years and land damage a border. State. Outfit. Hearing the cases on water and I thought at the time when I got done after 14 years of hearings that I knew more about water nobody else in the state of Maine course I didn't. But then. There's a theory that water is in. In veins as much as pipes are laid down under the world. We had one followin. Down in number four and York County. Had a fire and he claimed the state shut off the water in his well by cutting off a road. Across his property. And he said the water came down from the White Mountains. In these veins. And he came around his house and his by and across to God. And down into

a ball go forward in front of his house and up across the road and into his well in the pasture and as well went. Dry right out the state built the road. Well I said Can you explain that. And. He said Certainly. You see what we're living on is much like a billiard ball. That's around. Massey said there's I don't know what is Iran Iraq or something. But it's just like a billiard ball and on top of that of all of the topography we understand like the lakes the mountains and everything are on this ball. And between the two the veins the water. And the great pressure of these these mountains. Force the water through these veins. Well I said you know if I'm as north of the road. And you know you are a well the south of the road how come the rain got cut off. Well he said down in this country all veins run from north to south. That's so you suggest why why is that he said because they have to get to the

water has to get to the ocean level it all comes and I thought this rather remarkable. I've never heard that one before like get down and parried one dime on Number one we had a case a. Man down there said that his well went dry because the state build a highway in front of his place. And that they cut the vein off it. And as well. Oh I said You mean it went from west to east. And he said That's right. And I said why are Van Gogh Westie down here he said has to get Passamaquoddy Bay. And I thought well that's two in a roll perhaps there's something to this and I waited I get up on. On route number one off near Fort can't we had a case up there. Follow up there said that. His rig as well was cut off in the state building road across his property. And severed the lane and as well. How do you know that. What was it going he said was going north west. North East. Well I said How come that vein of

water goes northeast up here and he said has to get to the St. John's. So that's one of the myths that this vein water in the in the soil as I was on top of this great dome we live on billiard ball. And. He said the pressure of the White Mountains over in his in the. Number four case drove the water down there and down in Perry they said the. Pressure of the mountains over north of Perry. And over on the yellow line kept the water going towards the Passamaquoddy. I thought this rather in my book. How does it flow. And so I think it goes every way. Do they are there are there are veins are water and the soil is no doubt about that. And but. I've heard all all all wells. Collapse and because the state build a road across it. We had one fellow in south China. He said the water in the south sign of the well water was

under the vein while I was under the bottom of China Lake and the great pressure of trying to weight force that water in veins. Across the road a hundred feet uphill under the state hey were you not back of his house and his behind and find me. When they built the highway as well went dry. And I said roll. What do you suppose did it. And he said well the vein was cut off by the state. And. Well I said Then you're suing the state for a thousand dollars for last year well he said that is right. Said Mr. So-and-so. If you build. If you had a neighbor next to you on the Moss Side and the fence there he dug a well right now that fence. And suddenly your well went dry and he got all the water you needed or what would you say said he couldn't say anything he's my neighbor. Well I said you've got several neighbors live down in front of you on the state highway people the state of Maine. They're your neighbors and they've dug they're down there six feet on the

road and you'd disown that shot off even a water. Well. I said then neighbors of yours too. He said I understand it you drop the case right there. We won that one. Well there are all these myths about water and that state full of them. How about the fall of the goes out with. All the. Crotch and makes a determination whether is water. Their work. Do they. Oh sure. And. I can show you some. Samples of it up to lemons mills. We've had that sort of treatment up there and one of the best witch seekers in the state was up there and looked it over and there's no doubt there's water down there. And contradict the whole theory that most people say there's water everywhere if you dig long enough you find it. There there isn't

water everywhere there are some areas and some soils and no water and. There were auto repair on top of it but it won't be any brains under it as they say. Because water does run in vain. But it is because it's not in pipes. It flows through the soils. Well why would a state like the state of New York. With even with New York City with all its people in the surrounding territories. Why would they be shows shot of water. It's just too many people using water at 175 of 200 gallons a day per person. Just isn't enough in the whole watershed. If you keep them they have to go beyond that they go to Delaware to get their water. And they pipe it down into a series of ponds and lakes and finally in the New York City. And there all is all the water down there. And the same things happen in Massachusetts. And those lakes and above Boston. And. Over towards Springfield. That happened though as now they still have

enough water for Boston. We're going to have the same situation here if I coasts ever prospers or has in other places. And what lodge a population. How do they get water for example open up in New York and some of those streams into New York City. They bring it down in two. Pipelines. And. Into some central place where it's a very aged and finally put into the system. Reza Boyett New York City is the last one I believe in that for a while he goes underground into the city. But. I'm on the West Coast they have a tremendous job out there San Francisco and. Ocean cities they are always crying for water. And they're. Picking up now in the Colorado River river and all the western mountains are supplying them of water and they still don't have enough. Because they're cultivate and

oppose valleys raising vegetables and I takes a lot of water. You mention crude in New York. I've some great fish and streams up there in days gone by I know you did a lot hashing out a lot in the headwaters of Delaware will remain and never say. They were good trout cup on top Fishel is still a great and put up to stream right round for round two right lot of brown drop but did it affect the fishery in any way at all when they started moving the water into New York. I never did. There was still good fishing up there long enough they got the water in the New York so I don't think at the ball that tall. I think of the fishing as upstream above the water source. A year ago as I said at the outset of this show you mention that it was our greatest resource. Do you foresee the day when we will be piping water. Do evilly build up areas right out of the state of Maine. I think it's only a matter of time before they'll have to. And. We

will be sitting on. The lifeblood of the. Cities on the coast because we have the water up here. I think you will see the day when water's like just on coke will be. Being piped down the coast. He was on the people down here. Will have to because. We won't get enough rainfall down here. To take care of it. And those great Reza voice and cataclysm Arista County. Are Really assets and cause the second masses is a temple that takes care of them. And replenish them and holds a watershed. You have to have both together but I think the biggest asset is the water. Recently you made a study of the Penobscot River. And they're always permitted into Bradley. Tell us a little about the history of that great river. Is it was normal in those days as the great river.

Well about seventeen hundred. Around. Seventeen hundred. And ninety so of. The. Survey was made and the fine lines lands of a hundred acres each were allotted off. A park hall and as one of the original cerveza came master says to do the work. And he laid out a series of lots to starting in the head and then and went up to the village of Bradley. I think there are twenty three lots all told and ten of them now and Bradley arrestor and in Addington. At that time. I abstracted. The. Properties for these different settlers. And by eighteen hundred and. Five or six. I had them pretty well settled as to who wore what. And there's a curious thing in there for the salmon fisherman. There is one follow on Lot Number five

in Bradley. Who conveyed the right to salmon fish on his shores and he was the only one that mentioned salmon fishing. He gave riparian rights. Oh yes he gave right through go out there and build traps. Fish off from his property years one hundred acres lot number five and Bradley. And. Wong to a man I think the name is Webb. But. His predecessor. Granted the deed to somebody to use the shore. Here's his fine for fishing. Who is a Mr. Blackman. Black man was the. Leader of the family you came in then. About. 18 18. And they survived in the valley and operated Londons Mills until. Eighteen hundred and eighty. That time they pulled up all their stakes and went west out to California. And Washington. First Mayor Cheye home ish.

Or a black one. And they went out there they took their know how. However of a couple of timber. Moved out to the west coast. Well who was Mr. Nichols. Nichols is one of the first settlers of. The. Settle that right around the bend is now and then. And. Upon that what is now called Seymour was known as Nichols pawn Nichols farm and the stream out of it which is now black mainstream was called Nichols river at the time. The old maps call it Nichols river. Nicholls was a pioneer. I understood he came from Ireland. He married several times and had told of some fourteen children. Caught in the records that I had access to. And that.

He was quite a carried up in the river above the bed and then as a rock a large boulder. Was now known as little straw. And the survey of the Indian Number four Township. Which was undertaken by Park Hall and his crew started at Nichols rock on the Penobscot River. How. You can you can find it is a small book comes in upon 178. A few feet up the road. Perhaps. Three four hundred. And. That rock is opposite the mouth of that brook. Well did Nichols use that rock as. Kind of a. Well a signpost to. Plot all of the land all the way to T-Mo pond. No I think the packed hall and when he was running out the number for Township. You see we had four Indian townships on the river. There was one to work on the Bangor side and three in force on the opposite side.

And number one started from bang on and went north up through. I guile. You came across to green bush. And on number three. And down on number four five now Bradley and. Milton Bradley and part of Addington were number four. And. Those lands were conveyed to the Indians by Massachusetts as a supplement for treaty. And then came the settlers from. Sad to do for such lands and cut that didn't work and build dams on the thing. And unions didn't like it. They appeal to the court in Massachusetts and they send up a whole boatload of surveyors malefactors free. There was a chamberlain Holland. And. One other I don't remember his name right now. And they came up and started running out the Indians land to find out whether or not these settlers were encroaching on

the Indian Indians land and they were. And the quartermaster says bought the lands and gave them to the original settlers for settling there. That's how they get in they were mostly New Brunswick people. Wasn't there a town treasurer. Who had a nice knack for picking up land. Well it was a. Mr. Black One first Mr. Black One. And. He had 1834 he was elected town treasurer of Bradley Bradley Bradley. And. One of the second selectman and treasure. Those days if you didn't pay your taxes they gave your tax deed for your land. And. Every time there's a tax deed wasn't paid on. Say ten dollars and forty three cents or whatever is do. All he do is call up one member's family and say hey you know I would like to buy a hundred acres of land and Bradley for $10 and 43 cents. Whether you pay the tax and show it and they give me a D. On the

first thing you know black one family. Mediate family and heirs of this fellow. Owned about 5000 acres in the town of Bradley. Right along the river are going back and all of the back and everything anything I had a damn sight on where you just saw a warder. And. The last the last black man that was eighteen hundred seventy four or five or Adam Blackman one of the original black men son. And. Bradley Blackman was the originator. You've got the town named after Mr. stream after the town named OK and that's how the stream got the news that's going to have a black eye in the brain. Bradley Blackman and Nichols apparently was the reason behind Namely was a predecessor for Dove of the Blackman. He was one of the early settlers of. The rebel lots along and then. Noodles came over this country.

And settled they are and apparently it was white a well-known fellow. Even got to rock the middle of Penobscot name for a medical software that's right right above the. Well you mention it we go. I got to bring it back to CIM over here. What's the problem out there with respect to water levels. Well and one thousand one hundred. And. Twenty nine. After several years of low water in the pond. The utility which supplied water for the town of ore and over and abroad or. Found that they didn't have any water in their mains. And in an emergency they went down to the outlet of the G-mail pond at that time. And built a barricade across the bottom of the top so a small dam concrete dam about 30 feet long twenty two inches wide and about four feet high at its greatest height. And that was enough to impound about

1 10th. In vertical distance of a pond. And that kept water in the mains of ore and Owen and Brewer. It wasn't put in any scientific reason. They just put it in there as an emergency so they wouldn't run. Why it was be out of water for firefighting purposes. So. The result of all that. Action was. Chemo started falling. The main dam. Lemmas dam built in 1790. Laud. Was breached. And the water was gradually falling down and. They built this barricade or rose so called Roll dam. To offset the lower waters they had nothing to hold it in that was running out. I've seen GMO down to nothing but a drizzle coming through the stream. And it's commonplace to see the stream down downstream between

lemmas mills. Bone dry you can wash it off and get your sold your feet wet. And it's those periods and if it hadn't been for the damage been in there. That was put in there which was a replacement for a natural dam. There isn't a scrap of it. They are at the foot of G.M.. And it's still there and great a pot. And the early builders of the dam took out part of that of Scotland and they built the dam of what they took out of the Scotland the ledgers mined right there they had a quarry right there. And they built this dam they put a gate in and for the purpose of holding the water for sawing in the middle of summer. The water in the pond dropped down they can they could raise the gate and still get was a saw with. It was a purpose of the dam it was never there to create a high water chamber. Well designed to stand that you've united to take the present dam that you've. Constructed in London's mills down four feet.

Of the main lake. And dropped him about two feet below its level at least three or four feet below where it should be. See these pawns. Have a natural high unnatural low. And the high watermark and shame always etched on the shoreline you can see it out there most the time. And the low water mark is not it stuck on the shore. It's right now it's a role that was put in there were lots of people out there consider that slow water over the dam or that role dam. Has nothing to do with low water at all. I think. She moved left to its own devices and its own and no runoff rain. Will be a lot higher. We've been at the mill. Leno's mill that we've been trying to hold chamber what one half of its. Normal Level.

And where in trouble for doing that because we do that. We don't leave any. Any show or uncovered of water. Let's all be grass on the outer edge of the pond. It's going to be it's going to go right now it'll be grass and needle grass and whatever goes out there. What happens to a team abroad. Well Chimo blog is going to drop two feet two with chains upon. And if she goes down two feet and elevation for water in Chino. Jima blogger 7000 acres of natural sponge up there. Is going to go down two feet to. Our Jimbo bar just feeds to things it feels as if feeds Blackmon stream all summer long part of its run off and the other half is is great bush strain. Bradley used to be known as great works.

Great stream comes into the Penobscot of gravity. And its source is GMO bog. And if you will or Cheema was 7000 acres of bog land wetlands down two feet. I've I'm wondering what's going to happen to. Those great works. This really doesn't take into account anything from natural rainfall and natural raising and lowering of water does it. Know it. That. It drains out all the natural rainfall that comes and someone stops. Rather than holding it. You see. The high water mark on most poems. Great poems in Maine as they call them. Is determined by. Natural. Elevations that come from the spring freshets. Yeah average of all the spring freshets is etched on the shoreline. Either in soil

washed away. Tree roots are exposed. Or rocks. If you go to a pond like. Philips. You will see on the on the granite boulders out there you will see the high watermark etched the legends are all. Just good. And you see it there. This saying same thing happened all the poems and unless one of these poems aloud to fill up. To its natural elevation. And drop down to it some level whatever that is. It is in trouble. Yet supposedly. At the some a level is zero down to within a tenth of a full. Year you've got nothing but lots of polluted water coming down there and in the flesh it out. If you had a pawn how thole. You got some semblance of. Regulation on the water quality.

And always. Got so many camps around it now. And so much pollution going into it. A lot of pollution. I think there is room in the septic tanks that are too close to the water. They also say that. One of the reasons that the they want the beaches in front of the camps is because that years ago the most settled they are. I said were when we came out here some years ago there was a beach in front of this place now where your photos are kept the dam up so there's no beaches anymore what they're talking about is a pond is down so low you can see the bottom. And these mud flaps like tall beaches out there. There's only one natural beach on G.M. that I know about and that's on the southwest side. That is. That storm made a naturally made beach. The rest of GMO. They only beaches there when you drain the water down to nothing. You show the bottom of the pond. That's

that's what they call beaches. So these people that. Claim that we kept the water up. Saying we're destroying the beaches. Qual absorber we have to leave it there. We've consumed the best part of one half hour. Well until we meet again I'm by love and wishing you a good evening my guest has been Paul that would load. OK. Whoa whoa whoa whoa. Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa who the who didn't. The global book load

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