Inner-View; Interview with Bill Cosby

Interview with your host trout soup and. Hello on the topic is creativity and we're going to try to define it or describe it or talk about it. But in the person and with the person of Bill Cosby. Well. Thank you I think it would be helpful if we let you in on a big secret which we have been heaping that much of a secret but all these rest of at least most of these rascals are members of the rainbow company which is the city sponsored Children's Theatre in Las Vegas. And you should give yourself a round of applause because it's it's an award winning company and and therefore you all know everything there is to know about creativity right. Maybe when you start a little bit Bill about how long have you been in the business. Nightclub entertainment. 20 years 20. Not a long time you know. You don't think of it. It's

20 years because when you show you when I started then it comes to 20 years. But each day from the day I started. The day I made a commitment and that's a very very important. The day you make a commitment this is what you want to do. Seriously you market you. You enter the business when you no longer want to do it. The next morning you wake up and it really isn't there. And from then on in it still isn't there that's the day you're out of it. Describe if you could you made the comment. I was in my junior year of college I just finished football season. And. I was finishing up my finals.

And after my last final I knew that I would not be back because I had struggled the second part of my junior year academically only because I hadn't studied and I felt that I was doing a service to myself and the children. I would have to teach later on in our ways figured that I could come back to the college anyway. So I decided to. And made the commitment to go after becoming a stand up comedian. Do you know what it means to be to make a commitment to show business right now you're in the rainbow company or in your name. David Adler and how many plays have you been in. None fact I. Well I was in a play you know the one but it wasn't really the kind of production.

What play was in Latin. Do you understand what Bill is talking about about making a commitment to the theater isn't. I think so because when you make a commitment you have to I think you have to stick to it and you can't change your mind halfway through. Once you've made the commitment yourself so you found what you made a commitment that you had to stick with it or whatever other things it kept on getting in the way. Essential to the commitment. Mr. Adler is there speaking of. It is a way of saying to one's self. This is what I'm going to try to do. If I fail I will find out I cannot do it. There are many people who enter. This particular business this show business. Who just want to become a star.

And they see things on TV and they say I can do that. They don't know. They say I'm better. But they say I can do this. They go straight to Hollywood. They bothered to load themselves so that they have all of the tools because regardless whether so-and-so. Got the job as they were walking down the street it's still better to be prepared. Technically therefore the commitment has to do. With preparing oneself and being ready. Going to classes studying the art studying your craft. Which requires an awful lot of thinking. This entertainment business is one. That requires you be familiar with the likes of

playing chess. Three moves ahead. One certainly is a case of success the other is in case of failure. And the other case you have to wait and come back. You can go right to Hollywood where did you go to try out. First of all. Your own hometown is the worst place on the face of this earth. You will have to move. Dang I'm sorry. It's been very very serious and very very serious in Las Vegas Nevada. I don't think they've ever found anybody and they call it the entertainment capital of the world. But they've never really found anyone. They may have helped develop this many in all of the years that they've been open. Las Vegas Nevada City the entertainment part the hotel park is a place that requires the public.

Tell them. Who they want to see. Therefore you're going to have to leave. And it is as strange as it may seem. It's paradoxical. If I live in New York City. It would probably be the only city I wouldn't have to leave in order to be found because like 10 million people there and nobody knows who you are anyway. But you have to leave that city and go someplace else. Oddly enough of you're in Chicago. You can't be discovered in Chicago you have to leave and go to maybe Omaha who would probably write direct from Chicago. And then put your name there so people would look at that as a stamp of quality or Moema would go to Chicago and the people in Chicago would welcome that person and say it's lovely to have you here as an

actor as an actor as a performer so forth and so on. I. Was born in Philadelphia. I couldn't get a job in Philadelphia as a stand up comedian whether I was bad or whatever. That's an opinion. But I just couldn't get a job I had to go to New York City and Greenwich Village. I will not tell you how much money I made per week because I mean that shifts with the times 20 years ago or. Money whatever $10 to $10 a day. I was not starving but I wasn't comfortable. So. You live and please don't expect me to support you expected to become very very excited when you become a star and act like you became very famous. Bill when you started as a comedian did you tell jokes or did you tell

stories or. I never told jokes. I never had a feeling to tell jokes. I love jokes. I loved to listen to them. And I would tell. Good dirty jokes to my. Friends in private. But I've I've never I enjoy story more and I've always enjoyed something my grandfather my father's father did very well. And my father did very well as a matter of fact the whole side of the family. The thing that I enjoyed most was when all of those. As a child when all of the old people got together at the big dinners. And they called Stories and everybody laughed and everybody laughed. And that was a good time. Now summit Carolyn you say you you saw his act. What did you say you saw his name

and your name and you saw his act at the the stand up comedian actor or the sit down comedian actor that the children were. Tell me about it what what did you like you would not like. I like the way that it was like us it like you said it was more of a story than an actual joke. And it wasn't anything that. I couldn't hear and that maybe my little brother a little sister couldn't hear me but the whole family can enjoy a show. But what's so funny about telling about your family. Maybe it's just the way he says I don't know if using the show to what. What do you like about him. I like to do the stuff I had described my brother and I perfectly and and have and how he takes a story that could be the truth stretching. So it's really funny to listen to these stories come from your own home. Oh yes. How many children do you have. Five.

But when you say something. That happened at home. And and you stretch it you really have to because if I give you straight up about what happened when you did you do like this. But if I want to laugh then sometimes I have to. I have to color it. Example My 5 year old does what all of my children did but I just picked up on it recently which I think is very very funny. She knows that she's going to get No. For an answer on a particular question she's going to ask but she's going to ask it anyway. You see

so she will ask the question. And then give the No. Before you can give me an easy so it's very very funny. I said to her some time ago. She said Can I have a pretzel. I said no wait until after dinner. Well here she comes again. Dad can I have a pretzel. Mo you know you'll enjoy yourself if you just rock off you know knowing what I think and there's just money to me weather and listening to to kids when they're around their parents. Many of them do that their mom can i have you know and then they just walk off. Well grown ups do the same thing also. And it becomes pretty funny to listen to someone ask a question and before you can say no they already know the answer is No. And so the question is why did you ask.

And then on top of that why answer before any writing you know so much. My daughter did that. And she said no. And I said yes just to see what she would say. And she almost broke her neck turned back around. OK you find a situation in your home life that appeals to you and all of a sudden you see it being funny potentially funny to other people. At what point then do you take that onto the stage and relate that to an audience of comparative strangers. First of all comparatives OK but no one's no one's really a stranger the way I work. On less. They don't speak American. Even then I have not had that much of a problem becoming

at least simpatico. If no one if we don't speak the same language on the basis of everything that I do is that we are human beings first. Therefore we have behavioral patterns that are the same. Things do correlate. Children start out learning with their own priorities which are altered and changed by our by their environment. We have a certain percentage of people who won't. When 97 percent will usually they go from one extreme to the jail or to the wealthiest people on earth nut or genius you see. But I'd say

that if you wanted to hit the mainstream You'd be surprised at the percentages that the percentages and the times that you would take a shot at becoming quote unquote normal which nobody likes. But nobody wants to not be. If it's down to the stories then our human being related stories. Things will alter but basically an angry parent an angry mother. Talks the same way the male father. Talks the same way. Their likes dislikes those things usually run in the same pattern. Words may be different some. Some parents swear more than others. Some parents don't hit it all.

But still we're dealing with the number one medium and that is the child. You have to get people in the audience who might be offended by any kind of reference you make to someone hitting a child or. Oh yes sure. But then again you have the first thing I have to find out is if they understand what I'm talking about. To hit a child as I said before to the audience before there's a difference between battering abusing and giving what we used to call when I was a kid or getting a beating. Now this beating was you to change your priorities not to get the jollies off parents. You know this BD was to change your

priorities I. I was told to clean up the bathroom on Saturday. Well it just so happened that the day slipped by and he just went so fast. He. And my mother came home. The bathroom was finished so my punishment had to come. These things do not scar anybody for ever and ever. And as I said before some are not on stage. Some parents don't strike their child at all. They change the priorities of the ways. I've seen some children whom I feel needed some sort of different handling because they seem to be more in charge than the parent. But then again because a person will not strike did not mean they're

not bringing up a child who. Will be a person and society will be happy to have. Now is this what you meant when you said that he was relating to things like your brother and you. Yeah. Now what was what with the answer. Well I don't remember exactly that. Like remember when you know I can stay that way and my brother and I do that and a little confined and everybody packed in there and that's it. Read that relates to the situations in your own life. Sure you do. And telling the story I can just about. I can just about pull out what the children fight about because we have five of them when we come back we're going to ask you about that but also to find out how you got around to discovering

what Fat Albert was all about. We'll be right back with Bill Cosby. Thank you. We're talking about the nature of creativity and show business and with us is Bill Cosby.

Someone here Bill has had some questions and you have some questions you want to ask so I'm not going to want to. Did you really do all the vices on the Bill Cosby on Fat Albert show. No no no. How did that come about. It at the time. I was writing routines about. Myself as a as an adolescent. And the recalling of the fellers I grew up with. We had a fellow Fat Albert. And I began to work things around him and I found that he would be an excellent person to work with because I could make a hero out of somebody.

That most people never really thought of. Usually when you talk about a fat person. You think in the Falstaff way. So I decided to take this big person and. Make him a very very intelligent person one who could be the leader because he just wasn't fat. He was strong physically and mentally since he was in charge and give. An image to. Quote unquote a gang of kids who really don't have a direction as of yet. So Fat Albert represents the direction how many of you are seeing it. What's yours been on the air I guess. Pretty pretty close to 10 years. And it is it is it has been up against baseball and all kinds of shows and I

think the other two networks have just about given up on trying to do Fat Albert. It is a phenomena. Because it's a show that doesn't have all of the violence that they say is necessary to keep children's attention. It does not have of the loud loud noise. It also preaches. And hopefully teaches. That's why it is a phenomenon. No you were. Your name is Brad Haberlin and you watch that one. I think it's interesting about you know how the friends could get in and out different. I guess things that they do and how they get out of it. It's pretty it's interesting to watch. It's funny.

Yeah at certain points how they get stuck in certain situations and if you look at it because it's funny when you look at it for some other reason. I know I guess I just like it it's funny it's it's a good comedy for a cartoon and it's different from all the like you know all the other ones that. Are in like in space and just about just regular people closer to home. Yeah. But it also it also is is a little more. Not grown up but a little more mature. The the other cartoon shows. A form of oh wow golly what really and the very girl I'm going we're going to lose the pole. You know some of these shows really embarrass you when if you're watching them and you know that some intelligent people are

coming you wouldn't keep that on you. He said Do you feel that way. Well well I don't want anybody coming over if I'm watching. So we do yeah. And I would run in the car edging and yeah. But you wouldn't mind being caught watching Fat Albert. No I like it. I think yeah. And my Some of my friends watch it. You want to do you watch it with you soon. Why do you like it when you're your name. Why do you like it. I guess because it presents him with all your dainty children. Money and very close to home and stead of the space do you want you to have spring so we have. I love the brown Hornet ROA you say you don't do all the voices.

No I do Mush-Mouth. Well how do you be which is a voice that I took from a guy named Johnny Coles plays trumpet cornet. I do of course and then I do myself as a kid which gives me a headache because after go all the way up into the nose to do it and get that sound and then I do the brown Hornet new character who represents wonderful things and doing Fat Albert strain on the vocal chords as well. Yes there's an old man named Mud to sort of like the The problem with doing that too like trying to do wall to bring in John Wayne

without taking a break like that. How do you do it physically do you go in a series of them or what. Well it's animated of course will get. They'll send me about seven scripts to do my home and I set up a little recording studio in my office shut the door first I have to go around and tell five people you know that I'm going to be recording. Please hold it down and not fight or. At least an hour and a half. And one of them says I want to come and know you write some funny funny story about my son in this. And this is now 13 and

I think in this was eight years old. How old are you. Ten. OK. Eight. How do you. OK. Can you stand up. I just want the audience to see what. Come come here please. Now if you add one year this is the size that this was. What grade are you in. OK so you're capable of handling all sorts of things right. She answered herself. You think I'm going to ask you so we brought you what Fred. OK. So you can go sit down. I just want you to see the walk and how that was eight years old it was. And I took him out. I had to do some fat albert shows about age groups and I was in California so I drove to the studio and said you want to go out to the studio where we make the Fat Albert show. And he said

yeah. So we got in the car I would live with this dude. So we go way back and we go into this little cubby hole. And there are engineers engineers there and a couple people in this group the writers and I go through a door and into the room is a big glass so you can look right in and I get behind the mike and look through and I see all these people and my son is there and he's just standing there you know and they say OK Bill was script page so forth and so on and I started to do the voices you know. And that then they show all the scripts and I come up. To my son and he heard me he says.

I'm going around the house didn't get anything and was doing the voice of that oh he was proud of me. Thank you. Then he started charging kids. I remember when our son was young and my wife and he were out and they were talking about future and such and my son said gee I would like to do what my father does. And then I was there I came up and he turned around and said Dad what do you do. And it's a problem now how do you relate to the family. Because now they know exactly what you do or at least to a number of things that they do. How does how do they relate now that they know you are the celebrity that you want the recognition all over the world how do how do they deal with that and handle that.

I don't know. I really don't know because our home life is something that Camille and I take. Very very seriously. Trying to give the children formal education we give them an environment. We give them a fine school but we also stay on top. Of their problems. We stay on top of the great things that they do. So what we keep is really a family. The children see their mother not only. Looking after things and the whole but she works on on her degree. Also now she graduated two years ago getting a

master's she's now working on her doc Tauriel thesis. She has her office the children can see tons of books they come in to my office they see papers all over the place things written important pieces of paper been there for years just unfinished sketches or skits. The children see two parents who know. That. It's important to read what others have said it's important to listen to. They sit around the table with us and they listen to us discuss just about everything on the face of this earth. And they also realize that their father studied. To get into this business that nothing was really handed to a person who was just wandering down the street unskilled

not caring and educated. So. We remain I think examples none of us drink commuters not drink nor do we do any. Illegal drugs at all. We know we don't believe in it. A couple of our children have tried alcohol. One has tried two of them and tried pot. And we very seriously went to them and told them not to do it again period. For no reason except we just don't think that the children need to alter their personality by taking alcohol or smoke or coke or anything like that that they are free. When they are old enough and they want to leave the home. But our. House is as I said

when I. When I had to change my son's priorities. I've asked you to do things you haven't done them when I asked you to. I told you to do something you didn't do it when I told you so now it is the law. This is the law. And when you break it punishment comes only in taking away the little toys. Punishment is on the way. How would you like living in this kind of a house. Oh. I do. OK OK. Very similar yes. And so you like it. Yeah. It's you feel safe because. Your friends don't influence you and you have money your own you can do what you want but you know what's expected of you too. Yes.

Do you think you'd like to live in the Cosby household but that's like saying that you know that our parents don't come right out and say it's just that you want to make them happy so you don't do what they don't want to do. So I think that's the same. So when Bill Cosby says things like right now or other times you believe it I guess. I believe that our family has never had in trouble like that and I've seen families that have and from me it's hard for parents now that I've grown up and I see their ways of getting us to do things. I think that's probably the way I'll be when I get to have kids. Do you think it's a good idea for someone like Bill Cosby to to talk about this to other people do you think that helps other people. Think because he's influential to other people. And I've seen that. He he has many lines and at least that's the

impression everybody gets. This has put a great burden on you though. Oh gee whiz I have to be a spokesman for everything and people look at me I can't be more private about what I think and they're always in a glass case. I. Know it's a pain in the neck build to be counted all the time. Because the phone rings and it is someone you don't know who is saying I'd like to use some of your time. To say or do something. Getting back to the parent child situation the only way I can really make make the point better is the parent child situation is is one that I don't think anybody's really really happy.

If everything is just wonderful if the children are all doing everything just great. I don't think the parent still breathes yet. You don't breathe as a parent and I guess your children are or you're dead. Let's grant it. That's about the only way I can see that you can you can say well I feel good even if they graduate from college and go on to other things I listen to my mother. My mother was in her 70s. And this woman still puts money into the bank and her bank book for me in case I start to lose it. Now I mean that's really something if she can't have any more than $25000 in the darn thing. But she's got money prepared for the day when I start to

slip and chill business you know to get something to fall back on. We're going to come back and talk about one other part of show business and that is doing some commercials and what it's like and how do you will Ed. How do you do them and what do you do them. We'll be right back with Bill Cosby. The topic is creativity with Bill Cosby.

Thank you and I'm going to find out well I'm not really going to define creativity but I looked it up because I didn't want to be completely on this thing but I found that creativity is pretty much just the act of making something out of maybe nothing but just just the making you know making something happen or is that does that make sense. It isn't good though I don't know I think that's fine I don't know that you want to stop there though I also think that it's not only making something but being able to see connections between things I think if we talk about somebody who is a genius maybe we took Einstein or somebody I think you would find he had a very creative mind because he was able to take things that everybody saw and still make some kind of generative jump to something else or to find the interrelations of things. And Phyllis is this is Brian Strum who is the resident playwright of the rainbow company as well as one of the artistic directors and. And do you deal with creativity in an obvious way

or do you just let definitions sort of emerge naturally. Well when we're working in production I don't think we ever define creativity but I think that we encourage everyone to think creatively. Most of the exercises that we begin with with the acting classes or with the technical things we work on start from making creative decisions you know allowing people to find their own direction into a problem well will pose an acting problem for example or a situational problem. One of the ones that our managing director Jody Johnson likes to use a lot is you get home from school and the door is unlocked. Find a new way to get into the house. OK so apart from finding the key under the the mattress something like that people have brought home their pet elephant and blown open the door. Often you find people shrinking themselves down and climbing into the keyhole and all those I think are our examples of creative thinking and. You know the strange thing of course is that most children

think creatively anyway and if you just give them the opportunity they'll continue to think creatively and as actors. That's really exciting because that's what we want to be doing on stage 2 is to be able to think creatively and to come up with with new ideas so most of our directing most of our work. I think that the company ensemble is directed towards creative decision making and unfortunately a lot of adults stop thinking creatively or at least that but let's put this to a test of how many of you have seen any of the Bill Cosby commercials. What was the jello that's the one that really stands out to me on his jelly course at the writing. And why can't you tell us where you are. My name's Tara Turner hi and because you know how I was I was trying to sell the putting in the kids and they just stand there and it's like they're just naturally doing it. It's not like the stand there in the town the kids do this and do that. It's like they just react off of him.

Do you like that commercial. Why. Well I think it's funny how kids giggle over when he does and it's really funny my son. It's interesting to watch what what we actually have towards him and you like it. Yeah why. But it's funny. And it's funny it's interesting in that same time it is persuading the general trend but it's not like. Other commercials like. That Be consistent that the best way. Do you enjoy the commercial one. Because it's interesting to see you have a little kids kind of they kind of look up to him and they giggle and some Jell-O pudding and it's weird how you can make something like that. Interesting. Just a bowl of Jell-O pudding. That's all it is but.

But when you look at him doing it it makes an interesting OK comment about why they react the way they do. Now go back to the creative process of how that whole thing came about. Well first of all. Feel lower if you login since men do not. Or human beings do not create. What we do is take what is here. And we work with it. Therefore we co-create. Therefore we create. Children. I don't want to see those children. We are ready to shoot commercial. I don't want them to become familiar with me. I want to remain that image on the screen. That person they've never seen before. So they are rehearsed.

The director puts them in the chair that she or he wants them in. And a guy comes in sits and he he is a very stiff sort of well just stiff. Bill Cosby and these kids were hosts that. With this stiff. On purpose obviously. So that now they're ready to shoot. You must remember they have the parents have not fed these children so these kids will eat anything. And. They will eat beets at this hour. So when I come in. Bill Cosby. We shake hands and everything is up. Then we get ready to go and the puddings come down. And it's party time.

So all I have to do is say my lines. And the kids say that we have a great time. You see. The people General Foods are very very smart people because they don't mess with it. When you get to advertising and commercials then you will realize why I say there is no creativity. There's only pain in the neck. People. Who paid X number of dollars and they must try and pick. Out children are creative usually because they're either in a jam and have to get out of it. They're very good at wiggling out of things to make up things to come from. Well I don't know. Great creative live that

comes from children. Why did I. I don't know. That's about as creative as they're going to get. But if you set them in a situation where they're comfortable. I remember in acting the first acting class I had Frank's over there. And Frank said I want you to walk into the room and sit down. I want you to be the queen of England. And I walked in the way I thought the king should and would walk in. I guess the image that I got was from all of the books I had read and I sat down and I was very stiff and Frank ran a film of the king walking around and sitting down it was just the opposite of what I thought. But Frank said Now if you'll notice the people around the king they're the people who are walking as though Lou were king you see. So. This thinking you

cause is an excellent excellent way to get them to turn to twist to Ben and to come up with. And it is not unlike a thing that most of these children don't like mathematics. You see mathematics Oddly enough most teachers. Feed it to you in a way that you just get numbers but mathematics is really and truly philosophy. You start with zero. And then you have numbers. Well you want to know how many. What's good math. A gang gang of them came at me. But how many I don't know was too many. Well I only saw three. Oh

you see. But one ran away you see. You we get into philosophy so you should never really treat mathematics as though it was a monster as much as the same way you Fred. You move into a corner so you have to figure out how to get out of it without stepping in your own paint. You are going to be your neighbor when you stand up you're now a crappy sheriff and you're going to be additional for a commercial. You know I already did what you did. What was it like. He just went into a room and there was there are a few cameras and a television screen and they just had to say how do you say a few words. And I said do you want to know I was eight years old and you know anyone else auditioned for a commercial. So any pointers for them if they ever went in for a commercial.

Well it would be nice. If you like the product. The other thing is that. You really have to be up. They they want you. They also have a thing for the looks of the quote unquote prettier you are better looking or whatever they feel is American. So that excludes blacks and Asians and people who look at Taddy and unless they're doing something of value and by the time you break down all of those ridiculous picking. You come to really find out that if you're if you're blonde or you have red hair and another one they like is

if you if you if you have freckles and bangs and blond hair and red hair they will absolutely fall down over you. But brown haired cook unless you're really striking if you're dark you may rule out trouble angling for these things. If the part is let's say from age 3 from 3 to like 9 if you wear do you know the pigtails thing whatever it comes to look like. And speak to everybody. That's nice. Boys come in lookin like clean boys. Izzy was given some bangs part down the middle. You'll be fine. But.

Look at all the commercials. And take note. When you see them and see what the kids look like. You'd be surprised. They almost all of the same except Mikey you know once in a while you run into a commercial it's really really great. But but not many many. Other good children's commercials or commercials did to your age that you really don't like or why and what without telling us what the product is necessarily just just describe what you don't like about a particular from or explain a lot of nice. Nice things. Yes you're right. They just go on a lot of time. The thing that I didn't care for when I was a kid was I felt

cheated. On the size of things. Now I'm talking about this is before you could see the thing on TV. But they've found a way to cheat the size. For instance they'll show these cars on TV rode around the track and they look like they're doing about. 100 miles an hour and then when you see m the cars are like this and then you'll see another thing where a guy jumps on the bike. And these kids look like they're having a fun time. And then you look at the bike and it's like this and you have to really do it yourself from the jump board really that wonderful. You know and it really isn't. By the time they load up with music. And and take the size of the lid and put it on on the car so that it looks like it's going along great distance. Now I don't know. Maybe girls have a better time and are not

lied to as much like these dolls who comb hair and put the dresses on and I don't know. You know my daughters don't know the doll doesn't live that long it doesn't live long enough for beautiful to hair to fall out or it's going to happen. But I think that the stuff that they really want and they certainly want it when they see it on TV. When you pick it up it isn't the size that you think it's going to be. It doesn't go as far as you thought it would and it just isn't as much fun. Have you ever been so offended by a particular product or way of doing it that you would just refuse to do the commercial. Yeah high C was like it. I mean it just to me it just tasted terrible.

And the thing the people kept saying how expensive it was and I said well you know sugar costs an awful lot and I think this stuff is too sweet. So I fired him. You know one of the most successful. Players in commercials around now aren't you. I think I have hit commercials every time I do Texas Instruments Coca-Cola. Of course Jell-O pudding. And we just signed a new. Three year contract to do it. And the reason is because I really want the commercial. What I want is I want a commercial. To be interrupted by a pro and I know that in 30 seconds people realize of the 30 seconds of good feeling coming to a person is

is far more valuable. Than 48 minutes of some TV show. That's me entering around wrecking cars smacking mother in the face you know chasing chasing a crook up the hillside or telling someone that you're going to have his child. So I recognized a long long time ago these lite beer commercials for instance. They are so much fun. I don't drink beer but I just love it when those commercials come on because they are so funny and I enjoy that and I appreciate them. I don't even drink light beer. I buy them put it in my house and I say thank you for a little thank you for them. You know I've been watching whatever because as we all know there are some horrible boring commercials that come on. Well sadly we have to say thank you for being with us this hour is gone pretty

fast. Thank you Bill Cosby. Why.

Order the subject is creativity and the person is Bill Cosby. And with us in the studio are going to be a lot of children from the Rainbow company here in Las Vegas and we're going to talk about Fat Albert to the Jell-O commercials and a lot of

other things I hope you'll join us. Today.