The Rochester I Know; 506; Charles Maloy

He was the kid who could be seen resurfacing roads or clowning with his friends. He was the kid who played championship baseball and basketball for his high school. But what this kid was best known for was his membership on Harry Wright's 1948 dream team. After graduation. Everywhere he went he was in demand to play football. Whether it was at Holy Cross or the Army. Even with offers to play in the pros his interest led to the law. By the 60s he'd become involved in politics first as a city councilman and later as the Democratic chairman. Today he sits on the bench of the Monroe County Court. Bill Pearce speaks with the Honorable Charles T. Malloy about the Rochester he knows. Hi I'm Bill Pearce. Welcome to "The Rochester I Know" we're delighted today today to have Judge Charles T. Malloy, Monroe County Court is our guest. This is only a half hour program,Charlie. So we're not going to get through half the things in your public and private life and ah we want to explore both, but let's start off off with where you where you were born and where you grew up in this community this is about Rochester. [Guest]Yeah, our whole family basically was on the south side I I was born and raised in

Strong Memorial Hospital area [Host] Hm mm. [Guest] in 1932 during the Depression. [Host] Wonderful time ta [Laughter] too; [Guest] it was a great time and a lot of open spaces there were it's all built up by the Strong ah Facility now [Host] Was the Hospital there?[Guest] The Hospital was there and the and the Community Hospital was ah there, but most of it was woods going up Crittenden Boulevard and all back and around Lattimore Road was all our playing area. [Host] Was School 49 there? [Guest] School 49 was built. I was the first kindergarten in there and ah I think. [Host] All open fields around School 40[?]? [Guest] All open fields it was just a beautiful place to ah play. Play and ah be brought up in. [Host] And what did you do growing up in the '30s on the south side with not not a lot of expensive things to go to and [Indistinct]. [Guest]That's right and there wasn't much money around at those times and and no organized sports, but we ah played football, basketball, baseball, and played out in all kinds constantly and ah [Host] Made up your [Guest] always found something to do. [Host] You made up your own thing. What did your dad do?[Guest] My dad well during the

Depression ah variety of things, but eventually in '36 went with the Rochester Gas & Electric and ah worked there until he retired in '60 some '63. [Host] Now if you're dead born here in Rochester? [Guest] Yeah, yeah. We ah ah we came here around 1827. [Host] Now by we you mean the Maloys? [Guest] The Maloy Family and I think my mother's side too they're done in Greece, but I don't have much information on 'em. [Host] And now where did they come from where did the Moloy's come from? [Guest] All from Maryland. [Host] Ah ha.[Guest] Every [Guest] Everybody in the [Host] Yeah [Indistinct] [Guest] Right down all from Ireland. [Host] Right. Yeah. Do you remember the county or you've been back there? [Guest] I'm going in May [Host] Ah ah ha. [Guest]I'm going over for the first time. [Host] Well this is the end of March when we're taping this-- you never know when they're [Laughter] [Host] Going to be aired.[Guest] Right! [Host] Sometime soon. So May May of 1995 you're going to Ireland for the first time? [Guest] First time, yes right. [Host]Ah ha. [Guest] But my great great grandfather built over on Bronson Avenue; it was Hunter Street then and that house is still there and then they build on ah other street. [Host] This is the early 1800s. [Guest]Yes 1827, [Host] And what did he do for a living when he

came here? [Guest] I think he was in the ah Stove pipes and ah furnaces: heating. [Host] Ah ha, ah ha. [Guest] And that kind of thing I don't know what my middle grandfather did, but the great grandfather but the uh but my grandfather was with Ellwanger Barry[Host] Ah ha yeah. [Guest] for 65 years. [Host] Now tell us who was Ellwanger Barry because a lot of generations who come along here and. [Guest] Well they're the nursery one of the biggest nurseries in the world. In fact, they planned and did the Royal Gardens in Japan. [Host] Hm mm. [Guest] And ah they were big; they, in fact, they donated I think Highland Park to the City. [Host] Hm mm. There's an Ellwanger Barry building down the street here. [Guest] Yeah. Yes that was part of it. [Host] Ellwanger Building [Guest] In the Ellwanger and the Leashings Family up on Mt. Hope Avenue. They're all part of the U of R Complex now, in fact, Peter Barry's House [Host] Yeah. [Guest] is part of that Complex [Host] Peter Barry the former [Guest] Former Mayor [Host] Mayor [Guest]Mayor. Yeah [Guest] Yeah. [Host] Gotta explain who all these all these people were. Ellwanger Barry [Guest] Oh sure. [Host] Ellwanger Barry distributed seeds [Guest] Seeds in [Host] All over the world [Guest] All over the world. [Host] All over the world you know we sometimes lose sight of the fact that this was really the Flower City.

[Guest] Oh yeah, I used to walk in the park --my grandfather and he'd name every tree in the place with the Latin name and also [Indistinct]. [Host] Yeah yeah, right. And what and what did he do for a living your grandfather? [Guest] He was with Ellwanger Barry [Host] Ellwanger Barry [Guest] He was secretary treasurer of the Company. [Host] And your dad was with RG&E. [Guest] Yeah. [Host] And they where where did they grow up? [Guest] On 209 in Linden Street right next to Henry Clune he was at 203. [Host] Yeah. Yeah. [Guest] And he and my uncle Charlie were very close. [Host] Yeah. We took the name of this series of programs "The Rochester I Know" from Henry Clune's book. [Guest] I have all his books.Ah ha, right. [Host] about growing up in the Linden Street era that's marvelous and your dad and my grandfather? [Guest] They're all part of the Linden Street Athletic Club.[Host] Really? Are they mentioned in Henry's book? [Guest] Oh yes, yeah [Host] Really? [Guest] My aunts and [Host] Ah ha [Guest] my dad and [Guest]I was in some of his columns there. [Host] Ah ha. And understandably my dad wasn't an athlete and I was. [Laughter] [Host] Now you know you went to School 49 then ah [Guest] Yeah. Then went over to Saint Monica's on the Genesee St. [Host] Ok, until when? Seventh and eighth grade then I went into the Aquinas Instititute [Host] and then Aquinas Institute which

was where is that? [Guest] It's down on Dewey Avenue. [Host] OK it's still there.[Guest] Still there. [Host] When did you go to Aquinas? What year what are we talking about now? [Guest] I graduated in '49, so '45 '45 [Host] All right '49. [Guest] All hop the buses at the Four Corners and [Host] Now, Aquinas in those years was famous for its football teams and hen [Guest] They developed. really big time ah. Well, they were always a pretty good football team. [Host] What even before the War? [Guest] Yeah, yes before the war I can remember. Ah ah, Ned Boheem was a great halfback for 'em and I always did --my sister was engaged to him and I always wanted to play for Aquinas. [Host] Ah ha. [Guest] But, it was became very big in the late '40s. [Host] Yeah. after the War. [Host] So you went to Aquinas in '45. Had you played any football before you went? [Guest] I've been playing frankly all my life since I was a little kid [Host] Sandlots? [Guest] Sandlots all the time. [Host] Backyards. In fact never played with equipment until I went to Aquinas. [Laughter] [Host] Gave you helmet helmet. [Guest] Right.

[Host] Ah, So you went there in '45. [Guest] '45 freshmen I played J.V. sophomore year and then played varsity Junior and Senior. [Host] Now what now what position did you play? [Guest] Played quarterback. [Host] You were a quarterback? What did they [Guest] They were T formation [Host] T formation. So you must have a good passing arm. [Guest] Well, I could throw [Host] and throw. [Laughter] I mean isn't that what the Ts [Laughter] [Guest] That's right. Yeah. [Host] The T is designed for [Guest] That's right. [Host] And to do it you've got to [Guest] Always throw [Host] You gotta throw.[Guest] It was a big operation, yo know. [Host] Why was Aquinas such a big deal? [Guest] Well Harry Wright. Ah, they brought him in as a coach I think and '47. [Host] From where? [Guest] It was Notre Dame. [Host] Ah ha. Now that is a very conscious decision what is it the Basillians.[Guest] Yeah. Yes. [Host] Father's ran Aquinas, right. [Guest] Right, and he just brought teams in from all over the country: Texas, Connecticut. [Host] You mean players [Guest] Teams. [Host] Teams. Oh. [Guest] Yeah. And ah then they drifted quasi into a a a prep school. There were some ah ah postgraduate ah players who were there.[Host] Ah ha. [Guest] We [Host] Post-graduate meaning fifth year [Guest] Fifth year. [Host] So you had some

players who played 4 or 5 years? [Guest] Yeah! We had about ah I think 3 or 4 in my year [Host] hm mm. [Guest] were playing there. yeah and ah it was big. There were big-- the uniforms everything went ah big. Had the Chicago Bear uniforms, ah, ah fancy stuff: kangaroo skin ah [?]plates[?] [Host] Did you lose any games? [Guest] Ah. We lost 1 night in junior year and then it was Jimmy Ryan was the quarterback. I was the second string quarterback and then the next year we tied 1 game that's all. [Host] You were first string quarterback next year? [Guest] We tied then. [Host] You had 1 loss and 1 tie. [Guest] Yes. Yes. [Guest]Two years. [Host] Ok, in 2 years marvelous. Now were there post season games? [Guest] No and we didn't all our games were at home at the end of the season they ah for a trip-- they took us down in New York City for a little trip and that was a lot fun, but it was ah [Host] Now you went to class while you were there. You became a lawyer [Guest]Yes. [Host] A lawyer later on -you must have had to do some reading and. [Guest] Oh yeah you went to class to get get into ah college and I had to have a B Average to get into Holy Cross and[Host] Ah.

[Guest] And [coughs] most of them ah when I was in college there were 35 on scholarship throughout playing throughout the country [Host] Hm mm. [Guest] and ah most of them they all got their degrees too so ah [Host] Ah these Aquinas football teams. [Host] We started out playing [Host] Where? Where did they where were they? [Guest] They they played in Red Wings Stadium. [Host] Red Wing Statium.[Guest] And they ah have ah oh 20-22,000 people watching them in Red Wing Stadium [Host] Red Wing Stadium is that [Guest] They'd have bleachers out in the outfield and [Host] Yeah, ah ha. [Guest] 6,000 came to see Harry Loos. He was very controversial. Also, he ah [Host] Hm mm. [Laughter] [Host] True. So, but then Red Wing Stadium no longer held them so what you built your own[Guest] Well, they built then they built the the stadium ah out on ah They named Hollander ah a Stadium and ah which has since been torn down and I never played in that ah year after I left ah they opened that stadium. [Host] How did Hollander

Stadium ever become a named? [Guest] Ah. Well, it became named; it was named ah after Don Hollander who was ah an unusual athlete that played for West Point and was killed in the Vietnam War. Just a wonderful person so ah [Host] But he was from Aquinas [Guest] From Aquinas. You know he was after me, but he was just a sensational person and ah athlete. Ah ah so they named the stadium after him which was very [Indistinct]. [Host] During those years you played quarterback for Aquinas '45 to '49. Ah, I presume there were a lot of a lot of you were you know wanted to go on to college and play ball somewhere. Did [Guest] This is still just after the Depression [Coughs] and ah ah many of us got scholarships. In fact, Heally Devore 1 of the first 2 teams that St. Bonaventure used at that time. But when I was at [Host] On Scholarship he wanted both teams on scholarship at St. Boni's? [Guest] Right, but ah [Host] Would you have gone to college if you hadn't played football? [Guest] No.

[Host] Yeah ah. [Guest] No probably not, they didn't have the programs they have today with MCC. And ah that's true [Host] Football really gives you an opportunity. [Guest] Yes. A lot of people think it was too big a program, but for us who got to college [Host]Ah ha. [Guest] It was very worthwhile and there were 35 of us playing throughout the country from ah Aquinas when I was playing at Holy Cross-- the 4 starting guards were all Aquinas. [Host] There were 35 of you from Aquinas playing on college teams?[Guest] Yes, 4 starting guards were playing ah at one time: 2 offence and 2 defense were from Aquinas so [Host] So now who offered you a scholarship? [Guest] I went to Holy Cross, Holy Cross and I think various other ah offers and the one thing Harry had me out as a junior so when Notre Dame wrote me after I had already decided to go to Holy Cross and wanted me to come in in January. They wanted me to stay at Aquinas. But if I got hurt ah I couldn't afford to give up a scholarship. And I'm very happy I went to Holy Cross and I did very well there and enjoyed it very very much. [Host] And

And you and you were quarterback at Holy Cross. [Guest] Yes. [Host] What kind of years were those? Now we're talking about early '50s. [Guest] Hm mm Yeah we played ah, you know, Syracuse and Boston College and ah we had ah Well when I was a freshman they lost 9 out of their 10 games, but the next year we went 4 and 5 then went 8 in 2, and 8 in 2. [Host] Hm mm. [Guest] My senior year we lost to Syracuse by 1 point they went to the Orange Bowl instead of us that was it.[Host] Hm mm. But they get killed down there, so I was sort of happy. [Host] Who killed them Miami? [Guest] Alabama. [Host] Alabama [Host] Ah. [Guest] I think they lost by 55 to 6 or something like that. [Host] So you're glad it wasn't you. [Laughs] [Guest]Yes I Calf [?] Stark was the quarterback for the U of R. [Host] Ah yeah, yeah. Now you're out of ah Holy Cross at some point [Guest] Hm mm. [Host] with a Bachelor of Arts and [Guest] Yes Bachelor of Arts, I took a AB ah in Greek and Latin Philosophy and English [Host] You must have known you'd want to be a lawyer. [Guest] Well yes yeah, in fact, I think Latin did more for me than a lot of my law school courses. [Host] Hm mm yeah you've got to bring back Latin [Laughter] (that's all there is to it) in school.

Now where now how do you get into the law business? [Guest] I went [coughs] Well, I went to Boston University and I coached there and was in law school. Ah And coached along with Harry Agahn[?] as a Buck DiNelli up there. [Host] Harry Agahn is a What fame you know why you know 'im? [Guest] He was Boston University and he was the first baseman for the Red Sox and [Host] That's right, yeah. [Guest] he got ah pneumonia went an died when he was a young man; he was batting around 314 very wonderful ah athlete-- the golden Greek they called him,[Host] Yeah, yeah, the gold, I remember; now who was the other person? [Guest] Buck Dinelli was the coach of the Boston University [Host] Yeah ah ah and you helped coach? [Guest] Yes, I was coaching and Mary and I were coaching quarterbacks and scouting. [Host] Ah aha. [Guest] And then I went ah in- Into the Army. [Host] Hm mm. Were you drafted or? [Guest] Drafted it was during the [Host] So you had no choice there this was a Vietnam. [Guest] Ah just after Korea in between the the 2. It was '50.... [Host] The draft is still on. [Guest] Yeah. Yes. You know went down there I can I was in charge of the unit coming from Buffalo to Fort Dix

and they knew I was coming evidently because and I got off there they said which one's Maloy and they said the Major wants to see you. [Laughter] He said, we we're playing up in Fort Devons want ta want to play? I said, good. So 15 minutes later I was on my way to Fort Devons to play a ball game for [Host] What is this; no nonsense about basic training and I mean whatever happened to basic training? [Guest] Well then I was into a unit in basic training then I'd be playing ball games, [Host] Ah. [Guest] so if they cut it short. [Host] Pretty nice life! [Guest] The Army was good until ah they got caught coddling athletes down in Fort Dix and I was the one that made the all Army team, so they shipped me out to the first Arctic Testing and [Host] You made the all Army team? [Guest] Yeah, so they nailed me. [Host] You were the most visible so [Guest] Yeah, so we went up to the first Arctic test center up in ah northern Manitoba, Canada. [Host] So you got in so you got a real job. [Guest] Yeah! [Host] What was that like? [Guest] Well very cold up there was that that's where[Host] Uh ha [Guest] They tested all the equipment for cold weather as one third colder than the North Pole and ah there are seals there and at our outer mess hall

there a polar bear got in there, so [Host] And [Guest] The next next week we had lessons on how to shoot a polar bear. They shot it 6 times before it ah [Host] Really [Guest] hit, but ah and they're still up there. I've seen ah documentaries on on your show on Churchill and the polar bears up there. [Host] That's the kind of thing PBS does all the [Guest] Yeah [Host] I remember the polar bears wandering right [Guest] Right through the town, yeah. [Host] Right through the town; they kinda come in and take over from time to time[Guest] Sure sure, yeah. [Host] Well you had had really had a a personal experience then with those polar bears in that town. [Guest] Yeah, it was interesting. You know the Army was good ah. [Host] Yeah. Now do you get you're out of the Army - do you get back to Rochester at any point? [Guest] I finished up law school at I was in the Army ah finishing up law school at Temple and then I came back here to Rochester and ah I went with the Woods Oviette [?] ah. Not the Woods Oviette, it was Oviette Gillman at that time. [Host] Ah ha. [Guest] And practiced law and then ah [Host] Did you have a specialty in your practice? or was it General? [Guest] General practice I was in trial work [coughs].

I worked for a couple of their trial attorneys there who were excellent teachers and I technically later on I thought I should share a fee with them; they taught me. So while I was doing things that they taught me so well. [Host] Now Now at some point along the line you become a judge, but you're involved in politics in this town in a major way. [Guest] Yes, in '60 I worked for Kennedy in the '60 Campaign campaign hitting out literature. [Host] That was a local campaign [Guest] Yes. [Host] for John Kennedy. [Guest] So then they asked me to run for City Council.[Host] Did you meet John Kennedy? [Guest] I I once, I've had a telegram he was supposed to get a testimonial for me up in Wooster ah I got a telegram on my desk from ah from him. I didn't meet him personally, but ah Bobby I knew ,and ah and ah Ted and a lot of ah John Kennedy's ah people. People who worked for him Kenny O'Donnell and ah [Host] Bobby was in town here once or twice. [Guest] Yes, he was ah the senator here when I was Chairman. [Host] When you

were chairman of [Guest]Democratic Party [Host] the Democratic Party now when [Sneeze] when did that [Guest] I was on a city council from ah '62 to '65 and then I became the head of [Host] Is that a Democratic city council? [Guest] Yes, the first one in a hundred years or something like that. [Host] That's when you used to run the school district too, right? [Guest] Oh yeah, we had ah that's in '63 we had the riots and we had a lot of problems at that time and it was interesting. I enjoyed it. [Host] Then after the city council you became [Guest] County chairman [Host] Ah ha.[Guest] County Chair [Guest] Until the Humphrey Campaign ah I was out to Chicago in the '68 [Host] Now what year? home free campaign [Guest] '69. [Host] '69.Alright, ok. And ah you ran against Nixon.[Host] Hm mm. [Guest] It was '68, the Fall of the '68 yeah. I was at the famous Chicago Convention there. [Host] Where they also had riots. [Guest] Yes, that was ah it was a scary time at that point going back and forth into the ah Convention Center at that time. [Host] Hm mm. Alright, now it's '68 '68 '69 [Host] '69 [Guest] And then I practiced law until '75. I was appointed to the City

Court bench [Host] Hm mm. And you've been on the City Court bench since 19 [Guest] City court for 8 years and I've been on the county court since '82. [Host] Now you've seen every politician come and go in this town [Laughter] and I'm sure you have your own opinion about everything from the whether or not we're going to get a baseball stadium to.[Laughs] [Guest] Oh yeah. [Host] Who's going to who's going to be the next county executive or the or the mayor of Rochester and I'm sure you're still active even though judges I guess. [Guest] Yeah we can't by law. [Indistinct][Host] By law.[Indistinct] [Guest] You always sit back and second guess. [Host] I really really can't get active in any of these things. Now you had some pretty interesting trials over the years in Monroe County Court and [Guest] They were all having interesting trials. Well, I had the Trematto Trial was. [Host] Ah. [Guest] Got a lot of press [Host] This is Tom Trematto you have to explain the background on[Guest] Tom Trematto was involved in ah I'm not sure what the venture was an art venture in the Powers Hotel he had borrowed considerable sums from ah ah people that ah

and banks up into 3 and $400,000 that ah ah was questionable security. I think, he used a rental car for security one $50,000 ah. loan. [Host] You mean he actually rented a car and used that for security. Collateral too. [Guest] But, But he ah the press had built him up ah. As quite a a entrepreneur and ah [Host] Well it [Guest] And went overboard. [Host] It was one of the big event in [Guest] Oh yes. [Host] this town that he was going to open up this colossal Art art venue [Guest] That's right. [Host] in the Power building in this historic place. [Guest] And he threw a great cocktail parties out there and they couldn't wait to loan him money. [Host] He just charmed everyone right out of their shoes. [Guest] Yeah. Yeah, I had to make the major case that I had was it involved a widow. [Host] Ah.[Guest] Who's ah ah Widow of a police officer and she had loaned him $50,000 which was diverted. And uh that's the case I tried with him when he ah

first he had Ferringer as an attorney. Famous. [Host] She ah loaned Trematto $50,000 as part of this? [Guest] Yeah. Yes and it was supposed to go into a joint account and went into a separate account and that was the charge that he faced in front of me uh and he had Ferringer as an attorney. Who was the famous ah criminal lawyer from Buffalo who was an outstanding lawyer. And then he ended up going pro se. [Host] Hm mm. [Guest] And ah he was convicted and uh and I don't know for sure where he went to jail. I was willing to throw in the other charge, you know uh, and sentence him, but he refused, absolutely said, he did nothing wrong and when he was tried by another judge he got uh He'd ended up doing about 5 years and ah got into religion and at that point in fact he wrote me and said he was thankful that he was in jail and in religion and.[Host] Hm mm. [Guest] Last heard I think he is probably in Florida some place. [Host] Was that a tough case for you? [Guest] Well, it's difficult for you if anyone goes pro se because you have

to ah. You gotta protect the people and and the job of both sides and ah, but also be careful ah how you handle ah someone who is representing himself because he really didn't have the knowledge to do so. So I had an attorney in the audience ah and helping him out and [Host] Judge Charles Charles Malloy you've been in this community; you're born here. Your family history goes back to 1820's. It's [indistinct] you've seen growth and I'm sure your parents have, you know, talked about, you know, the world is going to hell in a handbasket. Probably back in the '30s [Guest] Right. [Laughter] That's right. [Host] Or maybe nothing has changed but the the changes from when you were growing up out there in the fields around School 49 to today. [Guest] Hm mm. [Host] Has it been evolutionary has it been dramatic for you? I mean. [Guest] Oh yeah. [Host] Well you adapted easily? What's your impression? [Guest] Well, I was thinking about that and growing up, and, of course, I've loved this city and ah I remain and I live in Rockingham Street now.[Host] Hm mm.

[Guest] I've always loved the City. I think it's a wonderful place to be around. It saddens me in my position now and some of the areas that I walked freely, campaigned freely, ah like I said. I went to St. Monica's School. Last year I had a senseless killing right in front of St. Monica soon where I was playing brought up in playing, going to school there. I'm listening to testimony about someone being gunned down for being on the wrong side of the ah street. One witness even testified that it's a hobby of his. Count gunshots at night and in such a dramatic change from ah ah when I was being growing-up and I say, it shouldn't be. And it's one of the things on the fence. It shouldn't be. Those people should have the right to enjoy their neighborhood and every bit as much as I did ah growing-up. And that's a sad part of the City, but I think. There are some, in fact, the mother of the victim there is is Mrs. Smith who has that ah great program on "People against Violence" and she's done a great ah [deal] getting together with all the mothers

of the victims and ah trying to ah eliminate violence and I I think there is some improvement. But there's still an awful lot of just random ah killing that ah has been a big change. But there's also there's a lot of good. There's an awful lot of people doing an awful lot of good in this community which ah is the same as it was in many years and ah I I'm hopeful that ah That ah will build a [Indistinct] [Host] Maybe we've plateaued and maybe we're suddenly beginning to come to our senses about [Guest] I think so. [Host] what our responsibilities in this community.[Guest] I think so and ah political change is good that's one of the things ah ah it's good, you know. People as being a Democratic chairman they say, what'd you think of the ah election? I said, well I was happy and now we can we can criticize your fools for a while.[Host] Hm mm. [Laughs] [Guest] But ah. But change is good it. You start to see what's needed and what isn't needed in ah-- the problem is there's no money around.

And the federal government doesn't have money. [Host] Why Now why is that you know you grew up in a time when the community corporate leaders were around making a lot of the decisions. [Guest] Oh, yeah yes. Yeah. Well [Host] And putting money into projects.[Guest] Corporations, I think I think are controlled more on Wall Street, Wall Street. It's a bottom line situation and ah like, I think, Kodak just cut back on a program that they've been involved in ah for a number number of years, but it demands if they either ah ah acquiesced to ah the profit and loss statement. Or ah, ah they're out of there, but ah the general population, I think, is still there he have Compeers, you have all kinds of ah programs here that ah [Host] You are holding out some hope. [Guest] Yeah. [Guest] Yes, you got it, you got it, I think. [Host] Here it is (with) March 29th, so we're going to have a baseball stadium or, aren't we? I don't know when this program is going to air, but you want to stick your neck out? [Guest] Yeah, I'd like to see if they'd run a a stock offering to do it, I'd invest in it.

in a in ah a stadium there. Although I the liked Red Wing Stadium I was fine with that. I'd like to see minor league ball come to the forefront forget the major leagues. Judge Charles Malloy Monroe County Court thank you. It's been great talking with you today.[Guest] My pleasure! [Host] I'm Bill Pierce this is been "the Rochester I Know". See you next time. So long for now.[Music] If you would like a copy of this program send $19.95, plus $3.50 shipping and handling

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