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We see them every time we see them never know them until we need them. Well I always call. A serious Great. Visit the person in the hospital. I think they appreciate it too that you take the interest in the time to come back and see them will go up the mountain with Mt. Hood ski patrols. There's a resurgence in fundamentalist education. We'll visit Portland's largest church school to see why more parents are choosing a Christian education for their children. I believe that I basically always have been saved because I have always believed in Jesus Christ as my Savior and I believe when that time comes. I mean it seems some day. Jobs Some people work out of desire others work because they must. What makes people like or dislike their jobs is an attitude of feeling very ineffective. Frustration with all the forms that you have to fill
out. And we've had an increasing numbers of forms. Of feeling of frustration and this these are the changes I've seen in education in the last 15 years that. You. Good evening. Welcome to Front Street Weekly. In addition to those stories we'll discuss the advantages and disadvantages of Christian schools and we'll meet one of Oregon's leading businessman John Paston tini. With Oregon's economy in such bad shape unemployed are scrambling for any job. Recently when Matt announced it was receiving job applicants several thousand hopefuls showed up to vie for the relatively few openings. Today if you are employed chances are you would not leave your job on a whim or because of dissatisfaction. Sometimes though a job can be so unrewarding the employee is forced to ask is it really worth it. It was Picasso who said work is a necessity for me.
And Voltaire who wrote that word keeps at bay a great evil boredom vice and how do we find that work which gives a life purpose which enhances our feelings of value. And who or what defines exactly what is meaningful work with those questions in mind. From Street looks at people on the job we'll examine some occupations which many would reject yet are important in the framework of society and we'll meet two people who have questions seemingly for wanting occupations. On this bright sunny morning in Southeast Portland neighbors are delighted to see the familiar red and white truck of Steve Macinnis come down the street. Steve's job is demanding. It's tough and it's a job many people disdain because it deals with the refuse of other people's lives. Steve is a sanitary engineer or a rose by any other name. He is a garbage man. It's a job he believes in. And one he loves.
Being a garbage man it demands a lot out of you and. You know. That hours. Pushing. The stops and. The time schedule that you're on during the day. Do you approach each day with enthusiasm. Sure sure. Every every morning when we start out you look forward to going to work. Back. Do you ever get derisive comments about the nature of your job. The fact that you're a garbagemen people tease you. Sure everyone likes you like he's a garbage man. It was a bad time. I feel well what we're doing is really get really constructive. Would you comment. On. The statement that a man's job determines his feelings of self-worth. I think it's the personal satisfaction we get out of working with the customers and helping the customer in dealing with the customers. Every day. You know. Questions or answers. Stuff they help help for you being able to greet greeting
and getting to know your customers. Your clients. Christine Allen is a schoolteacher and a good one. Idealistic and eager when she began teaching 15 years ago today Christine faces disillusionment and possible teacher burnout. In fact Christine questions whether teaching will be her lifelong career. Do you worry about teacher burnout. Oh most definitely I would say we have experienced it. Tell me about it. There's an attitude of you feeling very ineffective. Have frustration with all of the forms that you have to fill out. And we've had an increasing numbers of forms. I'm feeling of frustration and this is these are the changes I've seen in education in the last 15 years that. The public demands more and more. From the schools. You know they expect us to do more and more things. And yet they're unwilling to support
financially. They feel that money is wasted and there's a lot of misperceptions on the part of the public as to what really happened in education. What do you feel are some of the greatest problems facing your classroom today. I find that students take a lot out of you. They require you know a lot of. And I this just in the ninth graders are what it was like they required a lot more loving. And so you by the end of the day you're really drained. Part of the dues and classes of 30 or 30 plus and trying to deal with each one individually because you've got students that have some skills but many of them don't. So you're trying to bring them all up and have them all learning equally or at least getting the basics down. And that can get very frustrated very tired. The thought of teaching another 30 years. Until I'm 65. You know I'm going away and I'm seriously considering looking at other kinds of
opportunities other things. Right. Gross says he has spent much of his life around the funeral business from his teens on. He worked for Coldwell colonial mortuary in college he planned a different career but the funeral business always drew him back. He presently works at the arbor and daily deals with the business of death. Does this depress him. No says Rod. Indeed he looks forward to the challenges each day brings. This business by virtue of its characteristics is challenging every day. The public is often wary of your profession. How do you combat this. Well I I work very hard and I think that families that see things being done and things happening feel that their money is well spent. When people find out about your line of business. Do they tease you or
kids come on with macabre jokes or dig a girl. Every day. How do you handle that. Well. I usually I usually say the punch line and that cuts them off right. What is the punchline. Well any joke you tell me. I bet I know the punchline. I do get into kind of a serious note about it. The funeral business is a sacred trust. I have I have a responsibility to protect the dignity of the dead as well as the confidence of the family. Would you comment on the value of a man's work. And its relation to his feelings of self-worth. The funeral business lends itself to a lot of variety that at one time we didn't think was really there. And my goal with this family this is to create a
customer service directly for them. And that's it. That's an exciting challenge. And every body's needs are entirely different from the last time we use it for business. A man's work has to be something that he does look forward to doing every day and doing his very best at He's got to bring his own character into his job. Dick Carey is a certified prosthetist which means he daily deals with victims of catastrophic illness or body maiming accidents. Dick creates the artificial limbs which help make bodies seem whole again. Although certainly Dick's work brings him into contact with sadness. He doesn't view that as an impediment to his career choice. If he had it to do all over again Dick would do exactly what he's now doing. He knows his work is needed and that he is
purposeful to face your job each day with enthusiasm. While I enjoy my work I enjoy working with people I enjoy the challenges that are offered to me every day. Every person that I meet this is a new and different challenge. There is no there is no straightforward answer to you know one particular type of adaptation is different on each person. Do you get close to the people. Who you fit for these artificial limbs. Oh yes I have to. I have to get very close to them. I have to be able to. Find out what their problems are and to try and come up with solutions for their individual problems. That person has amputated for life and they do need their prosthetist for life. You just don't put a leg on someone and never see them again. If you had to choose a career again would you choose this time. Oh yes. Literally with the man with a
CPA business satisfied clients a healthy income and the respect of his peers not feel satisfaction of his career. Tom Vance didn't know why he didn't know was that the nine dissatisfaction he felt every day was in part due to his seeming successful occupation. He had to make a change. I'd spent 20 years being a CPA and it occurred to me one day that people get shorter sentences for committing murder. And I as I say always did want to write. I got sort of turned away from it in college and I thought by golly I'm going to see if I can write. Was leaving you for. Selling the practice. Scary. Yes it was. I. Worked with my fear by going back to school to go break myself into writing by easy stages. And then I found out that I was breaking into a whole new world or at least one that
I hadn't been around for 20 some years and that was the work of the school from an improvisational acting class to working on a novel for his thesis. Tom's world at Reed College has all been preparation for a hoped for writing career. It is light years away from his certified public accountant in the age since I was a CB and now I want to be a writer. It could be argued that that's autobiographical but the incidents that I used rolling ended well are the changes in the book more relevant to the to some kind of inner psychological change rather than just career change. Possibly not. But if you're not successful. Well what I'll do is I'll call it. A sabbatical and go back to being a CPA. I know I can be a good CPA because I have been one for several years. But at this point I don't know whether I can be a successful writer. I don't want to
emphasize success too much but if nobody reads your work. Then it's too much like a futile gesture. What then have we learned about the role of our work and its importance to our worth. We have learned we would have to agree with Ralph Waldo Emerson who said I look on that man is happy when there is a question of success looks into his work for a reply. I think you feel really good at the end of the day. It's kind of like. You know everyone else goes out and plays racquetball and works out. We get it all in and the first part of the morning I get to be basically an optimist side to be optimistic about education. But I think we need to do a better job of selling the public. In what we are doing quality work. A job should actually be a freedom of sorts and a creative thing. Your job is what you are doing with your life what. You
know. If you're not happy in your work if you're not satisfied and your work outside of possibly having a hobby that satisfies you. What are you going to do. A person is what he or she does. And if you don't like what you're doing you're not going to like yourself much. It's nice to think that people could change jobs not just for economic reasons but for reasons of self-satisfaction as well. Yet we continue to have double digit unemployment. For example in 1981 13 percent of workers quit their jobs voluntarily the following year. Only 8 percent left their jobs for comparable reasons. One question remains can a person learn to be relatively happy in a job he would not choose to keep. Kevin McGovern you are the psychologist how do you advise people with this problem. Well you ask each person to try to find some specific happiness in their work role.
But how do they do this within the work role if the job is defined for them. Well if they're having a difficult time we ask them to speak with their employer to see if Job modifications can occur to see if they can change their schedule or to find another employee that they can job share some responsibilities with. OK worst case scenario they can't do anything to affect the job. What could they do outside of the job to make a life even if their job is unmeaningful then they may become depressed and anxious so we advise them to go out and find some other meaning in their life they might want to join a social organization a volunteer organization or fund a recreational activity that they can afford and enjoy it. Is there a danger when a person is unhappy with his job and he doesn't have a hobby or other outside interests that he might take his frustration home. Absolutely. Many people take home their frustration their marital problems problems with children increased alcoholism and drug abuse So you're saying find something purposeful whether it's your job or outside. That's right.
Enrollment in Christian schools is up considerably. One statistic claims the number of fundamentalist schools in the northwest region alone has increased from 177 to 222 schools this last year. Later on the program will ask some questions about why the enrollment is up in these schools and what impact this kind of education has on the student. But first on the shot has this background report. Two years ago. Those were the halls of cockroach's junior high. Part of the Portland Public School system because of a decline in student enrollment. The city lost its building to a Christian the largest Christian School in Portland. With a tuition of two thousand one hundred fifty dollars a year for a high school student. It's also one of the most expensive. Micro intended Boo-Boo's drive from their home in Vancouver Washington to attend Portland Christian. They are among a growing number of people who have
left the public schools in search of a fundamentalist Christian education. What are they looking for. Who decided to go back to high school and find out. Froggatt teacher banjo told us the school's basic goal in our purpose is to help them become. Crestline. More. Like Jesus. Expose them to the truth in the Bible expose it to them from every angle you possibly can. Accept Jesus Christ as your center of identity changes. If God is the center of things then everything must be revolving around him not around man. So my perception of all of life must change. Not how do I see this but how does God see this. It's for his benefit not for mine. I am the servant not the one to be served. I have a personal relationship with Christ.
I believe that I basically always have been saved because I have always believed in Jesus Christ as my Savior and I believe when that time comes I mean it seems some day when a student accepts Jesus Christ I mean really accept him not just lip service outward expression goes to Christian school but really accepts Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Savior then his relationship with other people deepens with his other students because the relationship becomes a spiritual one not just a social one. Also it was a time when I feel like babies. As Chris called. Last Friday morning the pep rally before the opening game of the season. Just like in school Kirtland Christian is out get a room.
We. Teach. What it means to win and lose from God's eyes which is to represent him. To have the right attitude and competition. It's. Very important. To teach us values right a better place to teach Christian values and playing basketball. Principal pros taught public school math for 14 years. He was never allowed to actively express his religious views. Things are different for him now. A Portland Christian. Teacher. Does more than just have the students pray for the correct answer. They really discuss mathematics in terms of God's creation. It tells us more about God and His perfect mind. It's no happenstance something in the way it works from our point of view. It's part of God's plan and part of God's perfect mind. This beautiful structure of mathematics is the way it is. You need to know the Bible to teach them of course. As I mentioned before in christhood and all the prayers
and wisdom and knowledge that includes history and story. So we decided to sit in on David Robinson's Western Civilization class by the way a little later in US history next year. We talk about this issue. We get to talk about the Holocaust. We're going to do a parallel study about that because it deals with this very question. How is it that God can use people that are horribly evil to judge his own people. Would will be like to be told say God gives you the visions of somebody who's evil. Because because you get you've got some problems. Can see how works without. Something more to your father killed would kill. Me. Read my life so
I transfer from a public school to a Christian school and Tammy give us their reasons. I feel I have a security that they don't have. I feel like there's somebody always there when they need them because Jesus Christ is like a father and a brother or my brother talked about all the time every night I that and just what I do today you know. So my family he was always gone. I was always home because like at 3:00 and I play basketball and stuff that I really wasn't involved in there was parties and stuff. That parties were using my hands because most of them went down. There and. I said that I get good friends there and you know I can happy I can tell what I took a little time adjusting to the challenging environment on a choir trip to Seattle
during his first year of Portland Christian. A friend broke curfew and stayed out all night. A week later he was caught cheating. I've been rebellious a few times and. Am not a perfect girl. I just happen to be revealed. I will try to teach. Right and wrong. The words we use our Sam. Righteousness for you all the time. Anybody else go to the library or in the Bible as you read in the New Testament of the book of Galatians. You find that it talks about being free in Christ not freedom not freedom to sin but freedom from sin and it's a matter of you submitting to the proper spiritual authority over you. It's not a matter of whether it's right or wrong. It's a matter of.
You. Why should I do it before God will do. The student really gets a hold. Of the fact that. They. Are a slave to Jesus Christ. Their attitude towards others begins change in terms of service to those of Jesus giving himself away. If I want to be Christ like then I also will do that give myself away. To. Live and live in their lives.
You see they care about your relationship with him. And now is making sure that you and stuff like that. Bible verses and stuff is that. No we're not training kids had to be stamped out like a particular stamp out of a mold. We're trying to teach them how to evaluate things through the mind of Christ in definition's building hedges and telling people they must walk in between. Education is teaching young men or young women how to use their mind how to look at everything that is before them and understand it discern truth. How does God look at them. He's obviously armed to the halls of a public school. Dress code for one gives Portland Christian a different look. David tuberose explained that rule girls wear dresses to school most of the time
not because we feel like. There's anything especially. Sacred about a dress as opposed to a pair of pants but simply because. We really believe that the Bible indicates that men and women are different. And are different and God made them different and different reasons. Enhance those functions and so we encourage men or boys and girls to look different and different manners. This should be the way to teach that. In all my life I've taught this has taught me this and so I just that's where I feel. Today. You asked me what I thought about women being submissive. I mean it doesn't hurt. If the wife helps the cause you know. It's not. Like my dad has never let my mom work.
But I think that if the wife I enjoy work if I'm not working I like her boring but I don't know if I'm if I think that if the wife wants to work I'm sticking up her duties at home. She should be able to work with the first team. That's really run against. Worker. And Christian played this time. The record was already 3 and the game tonight turned out to be a close one. We. Have one thing in mind that's to play towards excellence for you play for the crowd but for any of you God created it no matter what the school where it says we're out there working our tails off no matter what. And I thank you for my Daviess. He's a real encouragement to me and I pray that
he can get in this game tonight and I pray that he didn't hustle the way is always. So I think for his team that you've given us and pass it you get this intensity as we go out there tonight and. I Him to heal the state he needs because he's not feeling very well the man that didn't get very well in the parade. But he is he's a great guy and I think he's on this team from. The heart. The Davis family. Is paying. $4000 a year to send their children to a private school. What do you say to. Me. On my plus quality I. Push. Them. Into the society it's quite a responsibility to raise children. And as Christian here is the Bible instructs us to I'm not an issue of pride and everything. That is a principle involved. Where. We
feel that it's worth it. Students are courting Christians who are comfortable with the school's philosophy. Fundamentalists schools are increasing number. Some educators are concerned that an exclusively Christian education presents a few of the world's students being taught to feel different from those with other beliefs. I love the non-Christians because they're God's creation. God has commanded me to so I do. And they're humans. We were created in the image of God just like me. I see God in them. I just don't see the fullness of God. I'm putting the boot with to reading. Yes I suppose you could say that I didn't claim to be used to authority. It goes back to what the Bible says in Romans Chapter 13 it says we're commanded. To obey. The law. Private Christian education is growing in popularity in Oregon and
nationally. Apparently many parents feel their children need the structure discipline an emphasis on morality for which church schools are known. Despite the high price of tuition some public school teachers and other educators cautioned that the strict Bible based system may be too inflexible for students once they leave the church school setting. William Long is professor of religion and humanities at Reed College. Doctor long Professor Long Why is it that Christian education enrollment is up. I think for one reason parents see the need to have greater control of education and greater control of what their their own children learn. And that's the primary feature I'd like to stress. Well what impact are these schools really having on children of a positive nature. I think they are inculcating some principles that parents perceive are not being inculcated in the public schools. They are perhaps teaching the students something about the history of Christianity the understanding of the Bible. There are some positive
features that I think one can stress about the school. Now you're featuring a positive. There have been some critical comments also made by public educators. What are some of these comments the comments that I would like to isolate briefly relate to the film that we just saw. And my primary objection to the way that the Christian schools are oriented now is the understanding of the Bible that tends to underlie the curriculum stressed throughout is the formative understanding of the Bible as a text as a formative influence on people's lives. What I find though is in the use of the Bible there is a selective and generally self-serving attitude toward it. So you're saying it's overexaggerated or they're using just specific aspects of the Bible and a curriculum for example. It was stressed at the end of the film that students should obey the teachers and there was a reference made to Romans 13. Indeed that is that's a passage that is frequently used. But I think that such a passage needs to be understood in the
greater context of the Bible where the Obey obedience to authority is not only stressed but they're also disobedience to authority that is stressed to a. This is what I would call a selective use of the Bible that I find is unhelpful and gives the student the impression that there is a unitary understanding of what the Biblical text teaches us. So there is some selectivity there. Certainly. Also with us is Mr. Les Forney the principal of the West Hills Christian elementary school. Mr. Forni What are your views about Christian education. Why is enrollment. We find that enrollment is up at our school because we have families that are concerned about their children. They feel that it's a God given responsibility based in the Old Testament that they are to nurture and admonish their children in the things of the Lord. And as a result their responsibility is. Math being fulfilled in the schools in which they're in. So you're saying that the public schools are being irresponsible currently not using the word irresponsible as far as the public
schools are concerned. But what the responsibility is for the for the children and the parents. They want their children nurtured and admonished in ways that are not presently being taught in public school. Does this mean they want them to be more moral to be part of the Moral Majority. I think the statistics would show that they're concerned about a number of things. A lack of discipline being taught respect for authority. There are biblical principles moral attributes that are not being taught. And they want those taught to their children. Therefore in our country of course we have that freedom to choose. Now is one of the beauties of us one of the. As a principle and as an educator what happens to the child who begins in your school and has to leave the school because of a lack of funds or an inability to respond to that model of education or they lost sheep as they return into the regular curriculum. We have found that the great percentage of our students who have to transfer into a public school either because they go into a high school program or have to transfer out while yet in the grade schools. Not only are doing average but in most
cases above average. Are they carrying the Spirit with them or are they helping others in these other schools. We find that many of them are doing that very thing and they become model students in the public schools in which are attending. I see. But first along Mr. Forni this curriculum is based on the Bible. Is this really a fair thing to do to children is the Bible outdated today. Does it really respond to our current needs in society. I think there is a reading of the Bible the scriptures that in many contexts is proper and helpful for our society. But you also said there was selectivity only aspects of the Bible that were pulled out. The impression given from the film we saw and from what I know about this education is that the Bible functions in a way to give direct guidance to people for all of life's activities. And I think it's that principle that needs to be opposed not that the Bible cannot be useful in certain contexts. But the fact that the impression is given that the answers for all of life's crises situations and problems facing people
individually in our society are given in the Bible is an impression that I don't think is correct Mr. Fournier What are your thoughts about that especially when we think also about woman's role today. You know these women are asked to take a submissive role. And are they learning this from the Bible. We feel that and there are all of these aspects are taught in the Bible. There's not going to be a chapter in the verse that will give you the answer for a specific need. But the principles are there. So you're telling the students to believe everything they read in the Bible. We find God's Word the Bible to be without error. Yes without or don't we make human errors in interpreting the Bible. We feel that the inspiration of God's word was protected through that. And that there are no errors there as we see them. I said how about this aspect of blind obedience and corporal punishment. What are your thoughts about this. Well again it's a biblical principle and if you believe God's word to be true. And you're going to be an adherent to it then you're going to find that those are a part of your lifetime.
So you're saying it's positive to physically punish school and punish children in an educational setting. In our program we have a parent application form in which they say they are giving us permission to use corporal punishment but doesn't the state of Oregon call that child abuse. Aren't there laws about that. There are certainly child abuse laws. But if you were to come and observe corporal punishment in our school you'd say no that's not child abuse. And the reason being given to me would be that it's done with firmness and fairness. We pray with the students. We counsel them in love and understanding and it's never done in anger. That's where the abuse comes in and when it's done in anger. Professor Long What are some of the negative aspects what happened to some of these children that can't cope. I think in a number of cases of students with whom I have spoken perhaps after they get out of this particular school system at least some have mentioned to me that they felt that they were not prepared for life in the world. Indeed I suppose any educational system could
result in that. But specifically in terms of kind of the varieties of people they might have to meet in the world they felt that the education derived at a Christian school was one that didn't prepare them for that. So you're saying children become isolated they go through a Christian school then they need to go out into the regular environment and they're having problems coping with that. I'm not saying that's a necessary byproduct. I find that though it's one can tend to be more in that direction because again of the impression given there that the biblical understanding of things will give one a sufficient answer to all of life. Do you have an example of that where a child a person a student had a difficult time coping with their normal environment. After leaving a school. A person that I'm thinking of specifically mentioned to me that after graduating from a certain Christian school he felt that he was not prepared for that for college experience was not prepared for treating dealing with people who didn't come to the education with the same kind of pre-suppositions regarding a Christian view of the United States
history of Christian view of the West. Mr. Forney obviously you must be concerned about finances currently schools are expensive to run. What do you feel about tax credits or tax breaks for people who send their children to Christian schools or private schools. Money is always a problem isn't it. Absolutely. Whether it's in the public schools or the private colleges the doctor long is associated with or with my program. We've seen some wonderful things happen. We've been in operation for 34 years now. And that's one of the older schools in the Portland district as far as the private Christian school is concerned. It is a problem. And as far as the tax credits are concerned we would be in favor of their providing there weren't the strings attached. Apparently there will be and they're working on now. So you would want a parent to have credit for sending their child to a Christian school. That's correct. It is a double jeopardy that they have to pay taxes both to the public curriculum and the private curriculum that's often mentioned. Professor Long How about yourself go to a private institution. Yes.
Well I would disagree with Mr. Ford regarding that. Primarily because of my understanding of the purpose of public education which is not only to communicate certain information but to communicate an understanding of who we are as a people. And when people then seek education outside of that particular system I don't think support should be given them for that type of withdrawal. One last question. Are public schools failing in teaching moral to vote. Mr. Fordham. Well as I tell all of our new families that come in and inquire about enrollment I think the public schools are doing the very best job they can without divine guidance when they have ruled him out. They have ruled out a lot of the wisdom that they necessarily need. Gentlemen I want to thank you. Thank you.
In Oregon snow skiers who witnessed a serious collision on the slopes are required by law to give assistance but the majority of first aid administered is the responsibility of the ski patrol. Reporter Tamara Thomasson went to one of Oregon's most popular ski areas to see what life is like for members of the patrol. Snow skiing. A sport that more and more people are taking up and one that requires a great deal of balance and agility. If you ski on Mt. Hood you've no doubt noticed the excellent skiing capabilities of the ski patrol. They're hard to miss. In the blue and red coats with crosses on the backs and first day packs strapped around their waist. The people in the blue are the paid full time pro patrollers group in the red are members of the all volunteer Mt. Hood ski patrol. We work very closely with the Crow patrol and all of the areas they're basically
responsible during the week and then we come in and help them handle all the people that come up from Portland and on the weekends. No tears are required to patrol the slopes or administer first aid at least 12 weekend days. Over the five month winter season not an easy job and one that requires a lot of training. I don't think the public really recognizes us for what we are. They see us patrolling but they don't realize that in order to get our original first aid Guard we have to spend 52 hours I have to. We all have to spend eight hours every season and getting a first date. We have a lift evacuation drill but we go through every fall. CPR training avalanche training is a big organization. It takes a lot of administration. Are you doing today. In order to become a member of the Mt. Hood ski patrol. You must be at least 18 years old
but you don't necessarily have to ski well to become an attendant who works only in the first aid room one must pass the Mount Hood first aid and basic life support course when they're going to try and do something like this. Charlene Thompson is one of several first aid supervisors who seen a wide range of injuries over the last year. A sprinter. You. Saw this morning the tip factor. Someone in the parking lot. We've had people hit their head. We get people doing coal plants into their legs. People plants into their legs. Kids that sharpen their edges decide they're going to sharpen their edges and get carried away and to put their skis in their snow and have their gloves off and go. Charlene says spending weekends in a first aid room does have its rewards such as helping Roger Johnson feel comfortable while waiting for the ambulance. Johnson slipped and broke his leg in the parking lot. So I still have I'm distracted on Snopes. I probably the school parking lot it's very
dangerous. It's the early Saturday morning meeting at Timberline. In order to qualify for the hill patrols all volunteers in this room have earned an advanced first aid hard and a pass to strenuous ski test. They've all spent one season as an apprentice and two days learning how to ski with the aluminum sled for Anchia. Dave Hitchcock and Dick Puli are two old timers who have more than 40 combined years of experience on the slopes and they remember when driving a sled was really tough. When I started this trail we didn't have those states. We used a dog sled one regular wouldn't toboggan up and. Look like it's about. Going. Back. And she held on. And for years he's traveled a. Foot high to. The Mt. Hood ski patrol has been unique since its formal establishment in 1938.
It was the country's first ski patrol and now it's 350 members of all five ski areas on the mountain including Timberline during the summer months. All of the rescue equipment on the mountain belongs to the Mt. Hood ski patrol because of the equipment is so expensive. The rescue sled we now have a few years ago also for $120 something like $750 and something like that or something. Fifteen hundred. All right equipment is on a couple of fun. We haven't been successful in raising that cap or fund drive through various foundations and timers and the Mt. Hood ski patrol say the skiing accident rate has dropped significantly over the last 20 years because of improved safety equipment and better grooming of the slopes. Skiing is safer but still there are accidents. Approximately 500 minor and just as many serious accidents per winter season here at Timberline which is one of the smaller school areas on
Mt. Hood. The most common skin injury that share is a. And the trailer say if you like to avoid that kind of injury you should take school lessons to a professional periodically check your bindings and practice stretching exercises each morning before heading up the mountain. But if you are injured on the slope during the weekend and rescued by Dick Puli you can at least count on one visitor in the hospital. Well I always follow up on any serious break and visit the person in the hospital. I think they appreciate it too that you take the interest and the time to come back and see and see how they do it. He says he's practiced this friendly gesture for nearly 20 years but he's just recently realized how important it might be to the whole area because of the increased number of lawsuits springing up throughout the country by having friendly lift operators and a and a friendly ticket operator and good guys out in the parking lot. The first person you see in the morning. All of this helps to develop a good attitude.
And in my estimation it materially reduces the risk that the operator faces if the guy does fall down later in the day. He knows what the people are concerned about him being polite to him. And we do our part that and people love them. Jocelyn do our job right. It comes off with a happy ending if you rough them up in the morning. It's going to be rough and all day. And if he has a fall he's going to be hard to deal with. And you're likely to find him suing your. Dad cockades the paid ski patrol director at Timberline. Go ahead. He's a pro who takes care of administrative problems on the weekends while proudly training on the slopes to the volunteers. Best friends are volunteers. I could ask for and their program is very extensive and they've got hundreds of people that work with me and I think their dedication level just can't hardly be paid for it. Crockett says the biggest part of the patrollers effort should go to Hill's safety working the
Hill for hazards. We're not required to mark anything for the skeer responsibility code that is natural but that we do as a service to people mark the rocks work congestion areas try to get the traffic patterns laid out. I look at skin the smoke sometimes like a great big freeway and if I was a highway engineer trying to work out the difficulties sometimes. Occasionally skiers will turn up lost at the end of the day and if the person can't be found in the usual places patrollers will make a search. At Timberline Skeene out of the designated ski area is permitted. The patrollers don't want to go looking for anyone out there. They know what they're doing and it's up to them. I don't like going and risking my life to save lives when it comes down to. But at Mt. Hood Meadows they have a different attitude toward people who decide to ski out of bounds. I personally feel they should be arrested and they should spend at least a couple nights in jail and they should be treated as anybody else would be treated for
trespassing in an area that. If a skier is caught skiing out of bounds at Mt. Hood Meadows his expensive lift ticket will be revoked and he will be allowed to leave the area with just a warning. The reason for this strict policies avalanche danger and patrollers control that danger by closing off certain areas by cutting a not so dangerous slide path. So that's the deal we use is pretty extensive. Here is explosives. We actually use dynamite. We take the dynamite routes and go to learn it is on the Hill tons of sticks of dynamite into the snow loves to release the tension again and artificially created avalanches so that skiers won't trigger those avalanches later in the day. Avalanche control where it can be hazardous and frightening. Several of the patrollers have been caught but as a safety measure each patroller carries a scaly avalanche rescue
transceiver which continually sends out a signal is good. You can spend a lot of time probing around and looking around for a guy in a slide that and be a long way from where the guy is really. In this pinpoints where the skiers before you start digging a lot of time. If you get one of these things you're doing in a confined area and there's a good chance you'll find the guy if you're caught in an avalanche and buried your chances of survival after the first 15 minutes drop by 50 percent. So after 15 minutes you're in you're in big trouble. After a half an hour to 45 minutes you're basically looking for a body. Turner says avalanches are well controlled at Mt. Hood Meadows. Very few paying customers have been caught in avalanches in any of the designated ski areas. But proper patroller Jim Doyle had we had that happen for public and I was down and run that we now called Popeye after me. And I made two turns
in it and Bob me and carried me up to my neck. And I had to get dug out by two other patrolmen like most pro patrollers. Jim has an emergency technician card and he's an expert skier. These attributes come to good use during the week when the pro petrolheads job to rescue skiers in trouble on the slopes. Volunteers and paid patrollers are like admit that patrolling requires dedication hard work and living with miserable little army wards and few consider giving it up. I probably be in for the rest of the week. You know I look at some of the volunteers that have been doing this for 20 to 30 years and you know I just saw you know super people that are just go out. You know I just want to be one of the old men of the mountain someday I guess I'm vintage of 1920 I'm thinking that maybe I. Should hang it up but I enjoy it. I really truly do. Nineteen ninety nine point seventy five it's going great.
Seven. And perhaps more. Time according to Timberline director Dale Crocket. Half of all skiing accidents involving people over 21 are alcohol related. Apparently drinking and smoking can be as dangerous as drinking and driving. Convenience stores have become a part of our lives. Most are open around the clock allowing us the freedom to shop any time day or night. Tonight we're going to talk to the man responsible for a popular local chain of convenience stores. The Plaid Pantry market is. In the 20 years since its inception. That pantry has grown to include 130 stores with more on the way. In 1983.
With us in the studio tonight is John Paston Tini a man who was recently described by Willamette Week as a businessman with power. John thank you for joining us. I'm curious about the Wall Street Journal's comment about the recession how long and worse it's been. Do you think the recession is about to end. I don't think so. I. Heard all these reports from all these economists who say recovery is just around the corner but they've been saying that now for a year and a half. And I think it's going to be with us for a while there are too many people out of work. Interest rates still haven't fallen enough and it's just going to be a long time I think before the automobile industry picks up in the lumber industry. That's the dilemma that faces the state legislature. Now if you had some advice to give to the state legislature in terms of trying to balance the budget for example is a good deal of talking about a sales tax. What's your feeling about that. As a retailer I've always been against a sales tax for selfish reasons but I think it's the way to go as long as they have a sales tax that doesn't affect the low income people some type of rebate for them. But I think a sales tax is the only answer to solve the problems we have.
John you're continually expanding the Plaid Pantry markets. What is it about you that finds business. Encouraging here in this economy. Our type stores are small stores. We're not a big ticket item people don't buy very much from us. We're convenient I think next to money. The thing that the American people value the most is time and convenience stores do save time and that's why our business has held up really well. Time is an interesting concept that also has to do with the nature of the economy itself. The discussion is is that Oregon has to diversify its economy if we're going to survive. The question is how do we diversify and do we have time to really do it in light of your earlier comment with regard to you through the recession. I think that's very difficult. We're not the only state that's looking for high tech. Everybody wants high tech and tech industries. Now it's impossible for everybody to woo them in high tech industries really don't have all that many new employees compared to lumber or automobile manufacturing they really don't employ that money. I think high tech is great but we have to look for other types of industries that would be good for the state. For example what kind of industries might those be.
I really don't know a lot of people talk about the apparel manufacturing industry but a lot of those are thinking of moving to the south where labor is cheaper where the raw materials are and. It's it's difficult to to really look at the type industries that Oregon would be well suited for. I think the trade is very important proroguing know that. I think the future for talking about overseas trip overseas trade to the far east to China. John what about lag time people say that the Northwest one lagged behind other parts of the nation in terms of catching up and getting away from this recession time. I I don't think we're going to be that far behind you look at some of the states that going they have some real serious problems a lot more than we have as much unemployment as we have. The steel industry the auto industry those are never going to recover those people are going to be out of work forever. But do you think the timber industry will ever fully recover out here. I don't think it will ever fully recover but I think it will come back. To some degree where it will still employ a lot of people. But the legislature if I may come back to that was still faced with the problem of balancing a budget and some real questions as
to whether the governor's budget is really realistic. You've indicated that you do believe the sales tax is a possibility. Two other things have been talked about with the guard trying to balancing the budget. One is a lottery and the other is the net receipts tax. What's your view of those. Well the lottery will not raise that much money. They talked about raising 10 to 15 million dollars and that's not going to be enough to put a dent in it. The net receipts tax a lot of people don't like that. I don't think that will get. Passed the legislature. I don't even think there will be there will be anybody for it. There are no Republicans for it or no Democrats for and I think you're going to have to find other ways to balance. Currently one Republican governors. They are not the only one who was for ever. But John do you think we have any real business leadership here in this state. As far as individuals. I think we do. I think we have a lot of concern businessmen who are concerned about the welfare and the future of this state. You are or at least took the initiative in offering the stamp program or you want people to be encouraged and optimistic about their state. How did that work for you.
It worked really well we gave over five million stamps away of course that's not going to solve the economic problems of this state. But it does give the people a chance to become aware of the problems we have and let people around the country know that Oregon is viable and alive but that is certainly not going to solve the problems Oregon has too many other problems our income tax or property tax. To me those keep business away from locating here. Let me simply turn for just a moment say it is now this year at this point and you are starting out could you do at this point what you did in the past in terms of building this marvelous business that you have or what kind of advice would you give to a young man that was starting out. I don't think I would be able to build the type business that I built because it's already here. But I think there are all kinds of new businesses that we will see 20 years from now that aren't here today. And a lot of young people will have started their business and be successful 20 years down the road. So John and do I hear you say that you're optimistic about the future business in Oregon. Well I think Oregon is going to be here for a long long time. And business as well. And I think that if a
person is motivated enough that they're going to be able to do well no matter what the economy is like. That's all the time we have tonight. Join us next week good night. Boom Boom. Boom.
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