American Experience; The Murder of Emmett Till; Interview with Sen. David Jordan, Mississippi senator

ok so first listen we owe it to hear that until summer where we were and appear local theater greenland and know we're looking at doing a song written fiction film and joseph cotton but to the movie and just as we walk out of the movie on our home was thrilled to see snow and we heard on radio that they'd found the border from chicago and no we can't walk in and those days we didn't have television agreement their radios island was hunted all this late august and have a battle scenario fannie and we heard more from chicago and just we all the strange to her i'll listen to it because they knew he misses without that he was dominant architectural wealthy she and bill with a chin low price more which come out when she announced net and

they don't even the news that more more acute turned radio from across the state from across the country and even internationally to pick up national anthem and analysts are sisters boarded been found that listeners and money mississippi which is ten miles north of greenland wells has is that ok what was the reaction your reaction end of interesting the robot the anger and the whole congress here and so when we knew something had to be done because imus earlier rollie at the abolition china face trying to reassure people that well and everybody would crimea will come home and people what is free but those of us who were

you know were more and written were critical referee because we came through a system that was very evil very oppressive to plan for americans and we're here in the past talk about the atrocities when they are right there for americans americans the most today's industries and the nation that we ever heard of that instrument mix of us as we were in college and as much for years we were angry about that why why they told you know other things of the legends and things like that he would say why did your parents living in the morning in the morning why japan's tell you about that because in those days a grown up in mexico don't miss the years from mississippi are we were trying to fully lit home to go up to play whenever you do stay in your place

won't waste we send in those days because mom and that i love you because we obey but they also forces we chopped cotton picked cotton that they had experienced cases were monks have been directing less interactive than just create fear and all right you're here and i mean it's it was something that we could witness in terms of there were just ten miles away in it about it isn't about real people who are afraid to talk about it we can house in close to work and whisper about and multi year griffin told black community but in spite of the fear the anger will stay across their windows and rick potts of the conversation and all

other parts of the north who were canceling about what was happening to us and then the whistle and when they start coming in at the trial has a job the band ok just calming us on my commitments to be concerned about what we are all heavily on with obama and somebody else hear what happened to us and that was significant and that with that drive and even though the anger and if they gave us a song of hope so we begin to deport our sales and began to wonder why things like this mishap we came to the conclusion that all the weight of the chain we would have to be involved in the judge and we have to do more so that created a kind of fighting spirit from his from that point on the history and to happen in mississippi a people begin to take action in the lawsuit mr

seidel your parents told you about lynchings in and told us what you what you should do a what not to do to keep you say was that yes it was a shake the men to skate as board by whites in five hours or young people or white because i could not say yes sir it was you and i said yes sure i call and call that was supplemented meal with meanness or something that creates a narrow one and we have been angry but not as much until until page which were the straw that broke the camera but we randomly chosen this

is and in spite of the fact that we were brought up that we have a certain place to stay with us through education in concentration we will soon talk about roses at the times for sir getting some education and a bass line tell me the story about being picked you know coming out as a story of canada's wait wait but waiting to take your energy sometimes more skills as a boy it imported i was working a store spillover i assume that song everything that so let your bootleg liquor and everything is the twenty or was working i was pumping gasoline and i was working in the store and

i was doing everything that you're so stay so a halt in krakow it was legal what they were able to sell it and liquor go around behind the store and she is drinking when they get into costly and sometime it won't come back to this new development and this is they were not allowing veterans to a city and its plant's owner went on to sign a white man car parked in the economy the only the bacteria and a man got out and kicked him down to the ground and starting and his family was grand jury's still going to require that was the target of the insurance crime and then he went in the store and asked stuart given counseling particularly about that time prime minister olmert and gotten away found in children's going on if

i've gotten now moreau still people asked you not to do not kill ten thousand and you say that when you whistle well i was struck out of work this is the same story of oregon's eleven year old and i was to that ball thousand and seven and the plantation owner not going to have a guy who work on so that the system our lives albee says that once it and the island so it's used as soon be witty success will be a lesson you could call a chorus and he tried to make me say yes this could be at that time that i know anything

else to say so he started to let me go psychologically that heard even on to this day that's what about military that so we weren't going to use all four decades to trains that complicated institutions ill i guess you can say i think is going to happen this is to say i was working in the store because i was working in the story and in couples who love and spewing ash four seven on a bottle of whiskey and i went in and that involve risky and brought it up to them and the seven a unified vision look around upfront and say well this is theo smart they're still be new

then again with crimes and well we gave this is needed and they got out on twitter call it struck me to turn and as a young boy alone you know eventually go off bing why did you go to cause i want to try because of all my peers the top when it happened the person when that scene happened so angry we need to persuade the rest that we'll have one call one group it was that let's go to the trial go somewhere around forty years or less go

see and so they agreed to reopen to warn each got about gasoline goes silent and when we arrive the whistle nothing white people white people local people who we knew who we thought would have no interest in the trials they'll absurd and as we were going up to try to get to see special projects you can just go into the situation back up in the bakken up in a corner and we're trying to make it big and just to try to make it so someone so well this is brandy mathias muller i go say of course that she is someone with an ass congress passes politicians in congress when the show is

where you from seeing from michigan and no yes liz to your party are in not be in the competition from illinois and mrs the deal is you press this deal so what i ask him to come here one one to report so i didn't know we hit in humid conditions and i must admit it was a little different after american coalition an absolute monarchy but at her job or adam clayton powell what i know there were two announced a sampling pulse urban education committee rob are no conscience and that comes in and extends a much eventually within and when we really began throughout the year we had to go to another section of caution did was down near the

front but when we went in this week to see the arrangement just for this young african americans came in and see what our focus on us yet those say these guys are really comes through cause it was a reception of responses but we were fractions and cart wheels and again we had to go to so we were at another level what the asset look at the way these contractors so on the cup and that's an odyssey is a big cabinet voted thus then i'll get rid of saddam and his bubble why the restoration as well and they may impact on this information can have their children

grandchildren and heavy battles caisson and present in it though they were the ones and the culture in on it were just some mockery of justice in iran to see that from base don't want to tell all my wanted lealan that nobody here was no but here what happened to us this case they are we're actually finding that was determined within us and we get some outside help that is what lubricate the wheels of justice has gotten too and that the fight was created in us who were locals who worked for me who knew we had to do something to change a shameful conditions because what colleen had come home in reality

call me all the atmosphere like at the atmosphere over there on september on a certain narrow mandate that condition something that hadn't come along and was fine and soon as that this whole new orleans unlike in the physical format mysterious force the atmosphere the welsh very hot but at this hero of the moment for american mice great great it was hotly their own shorts atmosphere of the weather in most places out there or september eleventh was

how there were additional seen in france as well white people worse than typical so many cigarettes in a one year war they want snow and that they're always kind of folks really and they all would look in there those of us who are coming in and they all felt that the trial be a martyr so they went was not worried about it they'd be undone but to me they were fact that the national press and possibly international press was observing for the first time and history mississippi this atrocity and they were angry about that engine that was shown in their facial expressions that those of us who were in there were angry too but they were still do offer americans but there was still some fear because

we might have become we don't know who would choose us unmanned us from benin about whether dr that we have to go we had to be done so that when you sell it or mess you know it was that at the photos and says amy why people you know they want to be when you call anger among the pictures is more intimate know why when the white people made it's the center for been exposed they were concerned about mississippi this being exposed in their mind this was a significant because no but usually hear what happens to a broad mandates so this was an embarrassment to the home and they want a real doctor and many instances was expressed through the

press that they thought was and my mockery in terms of having to go through this process of trial because this uses his daughter nobody cares and that's what the ringer about and they were angry about the concern though is this situation we were angry because we had no singing it was sucked in that have been brought to us is a younger generation in oral roberts was the year because they had been tone and some moments in these kind of atrocities happened before so just don't mix their explosive situation than it does how recent days in and you're seeing congressman davis there's first congress when you're a song may be

the first black first black elected official with your also black photographers there at the trial couple black voters let reporters was there something different and he didn't open your eyes that they were as though all is it that you are a bit different from who you could be as the black person in the delta yes it was an inspiration to see congressman it was the first one he led the fish in a gritty city and it was an inspiration for to see a coalition come to mississippi and about men because it this close as upset the focus was like a band of age just awesome because there was reported and many others to see black people campers taken pictures in an inn and there was something that never seen before and it was something

new but it was encouraging to us because it created us that some broad outlines that somebody cared about what happened to us and cousins and what this was an inspiration this little stimulation this was something that will that created the fight in us that we could not control from henceforth acted in two days spent last that we've moved forward and we did it because it was the beginning of the fight for justice even an innocent victim one thing that's amazing to me is is this the white people's reaction to to the emmett till murder is is that the white people mostly without a pull together you know as you know as as a community and in those know it was a whole large scale objections but it was

a war we got into bed together intended to families get well that was the tragedy of your band together and they had many ways a copy of dawn to get involved in that we love you this is where they were sight of men we love you do you different from a group that is trying to get up in a city about that the boys ben or even keel but don't you get involved in that part you see in atlanta bought it and don't even go out there we love you you were first for a long time this kind of psychological effect on black people the end this what bryant's new bill but they may well leave offering to talk about and when i talked with they were eating they need some kind of really so quite quite

strike to give that really what they would be a little sad because he was a young guy or niche and i'll miss and i hear someone telling us that you know part of this and achieving do that and i'll take some shortage a wife a few things from the store home and he had a couple of beers you know you we love you always have a job this long as we're here this comes to budget because what had happened to me personally and when that scene happened what my peers the town of maladjusted to that nonsense there was that that that the goal of these chicago these common than he was a religion or feasible that you

yes it was in fact one of these radio station from chicago i think that the gentleman's name that moment that they flew over greenland drop on the roof so as is their historical lessons my question is going to be ninety year is in it you know and he's acknowledged that we don't know what they're going to give me the whole story so what happens was you there was a real and that the chicago riots was on no way mrs nelson vehicles to come to green light to shoot up the town and kill law people and white people hurry that's why they will get together in getting guns and getting ready in well as a new set of captain found himself forced because they were co workers but that really came from chicago from radio station where this

job is talk about the tragedy of the situation and that was and that that should be done but now that that did not materialize it was a rule but someone from chicago they file review of motown and dropped leaflets down to city park to try to get this case in palo down now but it was the panthers were dropped but no one came in great now but the hostility that the white reason for the welsh on that and say you know because they were suspicious of him was not working for the animal was not in workflow so no sign of the people who should you know an actor chose to go to a hotel lobby really would probably have a beer snob

and suspicion that they just other words they took over our communion time a patrol in london that period of time and then michael taylor the head here agree with that all reporters today and the amazing thing about it the white reporters from our stately of the age well and we've outgrown mississippi last not too integrated in terms of what reporters to stay there but they stayed any way across the west did not come to the table tennis you renee so they were in the law review with the mission that was a kind of assurance that let us know that we have some frenchman someone who can you know once the sceptical that was a great in order to start the movement to roll in it pays well ms moreno you

guys going to go with gray was the lowest strata like it made me feel inspired me i will a strong role that day he was there isn't that ran all prices from a man who'd been minute they were the meters because one is funny i guess the end of certain way so that at the end of the naacp image couple make a second time those lawyers were his act to the equator of these two person or violently jade of amal doctors and brian's reason us a review and then the last decade i wonder whether this is the end he appeared

last couple of me and we're still talking and so something else if you say their names you know so what happened to dig dig of the modern rides businesses after the verdict after the trial they'd also been this and many in the city but they have relatives here agree with that time was living with them here that premise to agree with what parents were would do is get credit boom going bust up in paper that we care about them every two weeks a one and it got paid a film about that one a listener and there are brian's wife we live day so so the story you were asked to leave a year that's what i mean the bronx creating havoc on a possible illegal rites that would feel for what they they because stay away from that store and they did

and they had to leave iran i went in to some primal county in the issue a corporation that and rupaul women's rights to find him just a year for fifty four the rover's born their supreme court decision in the desegregation of the schools in rome and one of the family didn't have much effect here for a long time but you know as my one right were beating him until they were talking to him about you know saying oh you think a good enough league schools so talk about this you know old and in the context of it was before this that the brown versus board rest

of the beginning at least you know in some people's minds that there was going to be a change set true yes and the language in mississippi was that before is what happened to iran warning in the streets though mississippi that they were never integrate and allow the enrichment never goes through children's this was a massive having those braces for that was to test ms of the situation then in may seventeen nineteen fifty four decision and now the mississippi and get this the organized insistent council reorganize on that would be anybody get more active all of this was getting ready for the us is second civil war you call them we just didn't test in terms of

people getting brace for so in the tv or face in a way couldn't reveal the fear that mississippians head to wallace integration in terms of effect use of young block or coming from chicago their waist down here want to integrate lemons and this list the reception that they got in terms of what was coming our way in terms of furlough at that rumor seems to be the case i saw a film that the citizens' council made about the wonders of segregation innovative film about how wonderful said data would it was a funny film when you look at it now but they were

embarrassed about soviet union they thought that this was the right way to be yes they want that we put at the head and understand you know you got to make a mistake when he made people call saw collin or to perpetuate what they wanted to do in terms of cheaper label in terms of people injured people in certain places and at the same camp they are guilty of all they can to draw people need an all women's holding years deal but this was a class you don't put it into practice segregation always been rounded body and i'm good sense would know with another beginning mccomb says sometimes

interrupted it you mention women and on a couple of about that movie is that seems it was it was a list of people something that she couldn't kidnapping to you know the success that there was this wasn't there is no that was one of the main avenues is you know don't listen alone it was not so much that it was a way of life in mississippi when our women this was on the streets or in the store you have to step back and many blacks were to remove their hats from the hit when no one ks but certain that one does on the street you have to develop the street there was a way of my list facts we're like they demanded that you do and all for one one have to

say it was napier didn't come to look at me you wonder what the case might have been assessed me and begin in sometime teams with three legs so we talk about a way of life in this part of the country that was enforced by law about the chores we don't need a law stephanie walsh chip wrapper were certain kind of system where his bulky white men agreed to have the right thing certainly head of the household to allow him to get a certain portion of my an idiot white men all didn't

allow the sharecropper work a certain pot of my own hair by that thing down the new but that was not true because we farmed forty acres and we may fourteen pills when you can pick the diesel and the making of the crop all it features all of the ultimate to make the court came out our share this year was appointed deal with no deductions and he took on a deduction costs and make them across the line and chop and then pick and kind and all of that she and i had a ford bales and any chart in jerusalem now what happened the first of march we would get something like forty dollars and more gwen and although the two months and had to excuse me one oliver two weeks this for them

out to keep us going and we have a lot of foreign oil a walk through all this when cotton openly all has been a cappella choral than we could get a little money out and sees weekly prevailed we soon give birth without getting caught in order to have money to bat who won that seat and here you have a week where the good fit and had all then we would have no money to go get food and food shop he uses a credit at the end of the year marked a decent wage plan to send up less will pay all one really mean we call it so the most practitioners still selling and so until but in the whole question marquardt one that you'd go deer hunting some toys announced they go somewhere else and you take a

vacation come out about six or seven days before question anymore so we were able to clear up that eighteen hundred dollars twenty bales of cotton but there were some who came out behind coming up i admit that you owe money you did not repeat them and these people have children and those children who had their shoes and have lived here colin and what happened yet go right to that still and our money into next year corps a hundred dollars mainly letting him a question and hope that he'd come i'll mention some came on an old pharmacist tyrant an unknown to get out of their own and now the break even so what happened the cotton in that kind of the senate for chicago and you know found

that only to get out of the news of the situation beautiful for formal political it was yes it was yet christmas was great because of the time momma cooked dough a place she kept them in a suitcase big truck in the house and they picked up an odor in and we would have a connection with her own pool can or the other things like that or a little candy and what we have to send him to have fireworks in things that we wish it would go a little money and it was great because without seo we can enjoy one another eating and shooting fireworks and do what would rule country boys

knew that do and as long as the white man stay away from last week that we can enjoy massive amount of snow so we love each other and the tortoise founder that you know my people didn't have an inspiration but then locally they knew brussels now not all of the president's new assistant president was an apple and an orange and he was some small toy with it and was there a whole day just as well be done that there is hope and deep down inside we can it's always a one man about the first i guess he's only getting it open six one mile

in private first arrest there a hope that something will be done but the downside we knew it would happen simple fact of course it never happened before we knew we knew the system that nothing would be done but what kept us hope in holy known by somebody else here mose wright yeah angry white people you know what did it take for him to stand up and point these guys these two white men and say that's in an open court it took an awful lot of courage and the bottom line at the most use the term that he was just the dawn

he happily mississippi that time i don't believe in any weaker version of it not the atmosphere at that time in illinois and again my question certainty that he can say well if you're that when he did that get to say you know women's rights to their own separate deals when mose wright's point insuring crops to cook pointed out juniper mob and crime took a lot of courage to do i knew then that activists who know or this eight division i he could no longer than state of the city because of that the heat to around this case this for the first time they brought that i will have a kurdish they point out two white men

accused of murder a kidnapping murder a young men usually i can be afraid to even say anything given opportunities and so this was great coach can do this what's the what's the ivy league that what's what's the legacy you know what what what did what do you learn from the hole in the case are in that something can be done about our situation but we didn't happen except in everything that happened to us to create a new kind of fighting us that we didn't my time in milan loosened a bit of plantation we don't mine who's in charge when in mind in charlotte

when mine people's kirsten zemke name something had to be done and this was it this was the time to move because it involves mississippians dolphins did not just will pass but this weekend ten year old as a head of the last hundred years or so the it was just a time for awakening it was a wakeup call for us you know the other side the beauty of time the beauty of this is the head of the doctors to reverse cotton soybeans all of it and its people the way but those who profited from the sweat and the only goal of the poll the porno that benefit

our sheer in this region even ali low this land he made in the water with just two years of him at richmond all but you know the air in georgia to the full capacity you have always suppress any doubt that he helped to irrigate and to make a song rich so that was the tragedy of the most beautiful we still love the swamps the leader was widely thought we want to join my right here at home and so appell american life from there we would call it i call folks only let the mystic ago when it was put up to protection system whenever a plan that we used to say that eleven when walker most to show trying to kill him

and he just couldn't make his bid and they were out of four says just a whole what we began asking a lot about the beauty of this is a beautiful gentle yes it is this beautiful this remotest regions this place is calm skies blue or slow lanes world grain of all time joe this beautiful sufficient and so forth but the problem with that open and here is someone that only one group of people here is that there are resentments in this a year sharecropping reward sherrod brown sugar and here

in well i'm sure i'm sure i'm right thing it's by the pay