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The. Black people's problem is no longer hungry bodies. But hungry my. Child. Is not. Likely. To.
Rise. To. Power to the people. I'm Jim's drooled in the early 60s the great education was thought to be the key to good education for black America. In recent years it has become apparent that the quality not the color of the educational environment is the significant factor and the quality and effectiveness of any educational system must be determined by the relevance of that system to the students it's meant to serve the needs and make educational programs meaningful to black people has become our major concern to black students in the white world of the university campuses has offered little and will contribute to the realization of himself as a total person. The omission of black curriculum and black faculty and of more than a minimum of a minimum of stellar black students allows white students to continue
their ignorance of black America and deprives black students of the cultural development which is considered an integral part of the education in the university at university campuses throughout the country. This deprivation leads to tensions frustrations and ultimately the conflicts. Some actual headlines that have appeared in newspapers recently. At Northern Michigan University 150 black students clenched fist during the national anthem. Seeking classes on Afro-American culture culture and more black teachers at Washington University students said in seeking more black studies at Wisconsin State students were suspended after demonstrations demanding black history and black faculty at Kansas State. That was five hundred thousand dollars in damage caused by fires at San Francisco State. After more than 13 months of sit in demonstrations shutdown's administrative hassles student and teacher strikes arrests rallies
verbal and physical attacks from the state's governor down to fellow students. Turmoil continues. Representatives of students and teachers from San Francisco State visited Brandeis January 8 1969 Brandeis University after all American students seized Ford hall one's right to say college or American education. I am trying to see whether you are getting higher education. Do you want to try to raise your.
Go on January 18th 1969 at 2:30 p.m. in. Sympathy with students from San Francisco State College and with their younger brother and sister students from the King and Timmothy schools in Roxbury. Members of the Afro-American organization at Brandeis University in Waltham Massachusetts took over an administration building for home. Demands are not negotiable and must be said in black and white with the appropriate signatures to demand as follow. One. Applicant started the pardon power two high five. This means that the committee must have an independent budget of his own to
year round for one of black students by black students headed by a black director. The number of students keep white people where I am should be double next year and the administration should support and actively campaign but necessary to find three of them at the black directors for the UP WITH down and see where people overlap. For immediate action on the part of the administration to have that the first is the very just the part that was messed up and after the American center designed like 6 really clarification the position of the wepe students within the university structure and in the areas of finance to a mission to Brandeis criteria for satisfactory expulsion of the white student who shot a black student for the Christmas holidays. Sure it must be accepted in the present form only with changes accepted by
blacks. The you must be up. And just about recruitment of African students. And if we go and they would like to see the recruitment of black students work and economic needs both in say the student totally from members of the aristocracy and Africa. 10 miles King Malcolm X for scholarship for only at all campuses black students this should include transportation and see where people can own up to graduation from university. And may I add also that I've been reading about officials and other officials at the University and also we were caught out of it. Now we it would give a short history of the arrest and change that we've had to go to here. The statement we prepared is as follows. We the black students
Brandeis University declared our unanimous support the efforts of liberation waged by brothers at San Francisco State College and the cabinet of became timbales the schools the racist reaction of the just demands of our flight problem is not unique to that college or to the school board school committee of Boston but has manifested itself throughout the epidemic since the United States and especially here at Brandeis University our efforts to control the administration with demands that both experts like the present president President Dean justifiable quolls principle has proven only to be a subterfuge of white supremacy. We shall continue our efforts to promote the rights of black students and all black people to earn the respect of our manhood. No what is this racist society. You
and You. We applied for and got a budget from the. Student council which all student funds on campus. We worked with that budget and. Brought out some. Other. Black people round the country. Those that come and go. We've. Been in April. Dr. King was murdered. And on Sunday following the. Murder of the white students on campus wanted to get together have a guild session. So we decided to try to organize them around some demands. And we spent as most of the night talking to them and then we went and presented 14 demands to the administration the following day which was Monday April 8th. We split
the demands up at that time into immediate demands and ones with two long range the immediate demands of that time were in African Studies Department headed by a black male recruitment of black students by black students and directed by black employment of black people at all levels of the University of my. Martin Luther King Jr. scholarships for scholarships. The long range demands were at 10 percent of the student body black by 1971 Afro-American Studies. Concentration again headed by a black graduate scholarship in a graduate college for black people who wanted to go to grad school and were willing to teach in the black community for the first five years after they got out of grad school. Well we told them that we'll find the black students give us $2 an hour
hire five or six of us and we'll go out and find the black students. We had a response of over 3000 people who were interested in Brandeis and we tripled our enrollment a black students on campuses Lloyd said one of the demands of ours to further intensify this because there's not that big backlog of blacks and so we have to get in contact with. And yet the university is dragging their heels on these points because they don't particularly care to look over this big black backlog it seems. OK. I think we can you know kind of throw the thing out in the group. Thing. You. Know. What we want more black students we can make more middle class white. How do you think an African Studies thing is just one part of a whole university. You know this is a little it wouldn't really make that much of a difference.
You know everything else is so white oriented. The problem with the black community is that there hasn't been a group of people with skills you know so-called middle class skills or whatever you want to call it who have been oriented to helping the masses of the people they have been oriented to become white people. And it seems to me that all. I think that it has there's a fight that has to be fought on all fronts. And like the white university this is not I mean we what we accomplish you will make a difference and I'm sure that we will we get what we want here. San Francisco stated it will encourage schools black at schools both black and white to you know work for change just because the black universities function are the same Instead as the white universities. And that's why Mr. Black just had a black administration in itself isn't the answer. You have to
have is a man who spoke to us today from San Francisco State that you have to have a black as opposed to a nice university and I think the African-American Studies Department controlled as we conceive of it to be controlled by black people will be operated in the interests of black people will be teaching them learning things that will instill the proper values and attitudes that we need to have. And I think that that is a substantial step and I think it will make a difference in the world to be the basis of making all the difference in the world. For change you know what. I. Felt like. You. Were.
Standing. For over. I just. Wanted to go out and got it. You can. Get. Through. You want to. Be. Like. The. Final. Resolution.
The. The. Rest are. Nothing because they. Are all just the great people and. You understand nothing here so. Who. Are he's going. To be. Around here. In the. Newsroom. So here we go.
Although the Brandeis Afro-American group 9:44 demand's containing thirty two components. The one basic issue is not dissimilar to that in public school situations. What is the decision making role of students. The Brandeis student group demands that an Afro-American Studies Department be established and that they select the chairman faculty members throughout the country shudder at the kind of precedent that would be set by permitting students to select the chairman of a university department as a university administrator Brandeis president Mar's be Abraham does not himself have the privilege of making faculty selections traditionally faculty members choose new colleagues from among their peers. Impasse. The faculty won't give in. The administration lacks the authority to give in and the Afro-American students cannot give in. Meanwhile with each additional 24 hours of their occupation of Fort Hall Brandeis functions better and better without the building thus weakening the students. The advantage of it is going to become.
Probably problem. I hope to because I don't. Demand it. I want to go around town. Are you afraid of the circumstances. I'm afraid I admit that. But at least if I get attacked. By a survivor. Like me and hit me I'll be killed. That's my boy. Why. Why would you rather go to. The island of scars on my body. Prove that. I'm. Tired. Of this. Crap and I've. Taken. Because I didn't die. You know. The whites the blacks the right stuff and they got the crowd like this. I
think. Most. Kids here yeah except for the position. And. They are. Willing to struggle. I think. When. You want to. Deal with the ideal. Sometimes that is good and sometimes it pushes. The issue. The issue in this particular instance is racism and has to be dealt with with the kind of third. If you can't deal with it like that. Then you are always going to get caught up in the man's. Negotiation process. Which is no substitute for white supremacy. I know the white students feel that they're being racist because what are we doing we're just standing here. They can't accept the idea that they're actually irrelevant to the whole thing and so therefore they get to get indignant and they have to defend it was terrible.
That's all it did Blaxland school just like white like white students are in a position of powerlessness and the only power that the right is that they have at the moment is the fact that the fear inside force and that power is. Guys seriously believe that guilding And that's that's the first the first criteria that that prison university has put upon negotiations. Seems absolutely absurd. I mean that's what I call negotiations. My daughter has and always will remain open to any member of the Brandeis community faculty student organization who have grievances to present represent the policy and practice of this administration. I met with the students and for all ask them to vacate the building so that we could begin the negotiations of grievances under conditions befitting members of a university. And let me just say here I think is there are some demands.
Made to the university not once but. Twice and these demands that you know you know about the use of magic in any event. You know. We're not demands we're not implemented. And those that were and as I said in my statement you know we're just too poor to be a sort of substitution of white supremacy. It's not an easy thing for a black kid on a scholarship at Brandeis University to say to hell with you know my future in this academic world either I can have it would be relative to me or I'm not going to have it at all. It's quite a hell of a decision. And you have so many like you to make this decision. I think it's you know tremendous demonstration that together together the new breed of black man is being born and that America wakes up to wake up to this fact.
It is doubtful if Brandeis or any other major college institution understands the nature and the needs of their Afro-American students efforts toward this understanding must be demonstrated by action and implemented by changes to discuss the significance of the actions by Brandeis act after all American students. And to help bring about a relevant. Educational atmosphere. Say brother has invited a group of individuals each particularly qualified to speak on the issue. Their discussion will be modified by Henry Hampton. Moderator Jim I hope not my motto. Good evening and welcome to say brother. It's been eight days now since black students at Brandeis University first took over Fort Hall and the confrontation still continues. Tonight we have several guests from Boston's black university community to discuss with us the issues involved months and perhaps to offer some prophecies on the future surrounding the situation at Brandeis. To my extreme right is Miss Doris Francis who is a student of journalism at
Boston University and a native of New York. My immediate right is Mr. Ricardo Mallette who was one of the students from Brandeis his undergraduate graduate. Pardon me but he was also a graduate of the undergraduate school or something. He is presently a graduate student in the field of social welfare and community organization to my immediate left is also another student from Brandeis who came here from Fort Hall to discuss the issues with us this evening. And this is Randy Bailey who is a major in sociology to his left is Ms. Mrs. Bernice Miller of Jackson college she's an associate dean at the college and to her left is Skip Rifan was a student at Harvard University is chairman of the Afro-American group at Harvard. Before we began our discussion I'd like to read a statement from Dr. Lawrence Fuchs who is a professor of American civilization at Brandeis. Dr.
Fuchs was scheduled to appear on this program. Quote upon his arrival at the studio he decided it would be more appropriate not to have a white professor on a program devoted mainly to a discussion of black feelings and opinions on the concerns of black students at various universities in the Boston area. I think we thank Dr. Fuchs for his understanding to begin with. It's been eight days now. And Ricardo what is going on. Brenda at this present moment. What is going on at Brandeis I think is a. Sort of a microscopic experience of what will be going on. In the United States. We have a set of a group of black students who have determined to make. This community that is a nice community and the educational experience that has to offer relevant to them. And they have decided
we have decided to make this experience relevant to us by demanding. Certain. Conditions. Minimal conditions which would make it better than us. Randy do you think the danger of a violent confrontation this past now settled down to now. At this point a day process. The position of the students in Fort Hall. Is not one of violence. We are there demanding our rights as students of a university those black students demanding the right to get relevant education and we have not threatened violence. We are saying we are in this building to get our demands. We have not stated that we are going to. Have violence. We have been threatened with violence but we are not you know stating that we are going to bring violence.
Do you think the situation will resolve itself peacefully peacefully then. I hope so. B. And. When you win we say will it will. Will it resolve itself peacefully. What would you consider a resolving of the situation finally getting recognition that black people in the university are going to have education relevant to themselves. This is all we are stating. This is an issue of black people having relevant education this is not an issue of student power as was clearly demonstrated in the film. And you've said this because after listening to the broadcast when at the very beginning of the film we heard a young man say our demands are non-negotiable. Had this as this at any point been spelled out as to exactly what you mean that we are here to stay until our demands are granted which is what non-negotiable means it can't be cut down. We are not going to be any attrition. That's it. Has this been said. Yes. I mean
specifically out of the category of non-negotiable Yes. Communications President Obama we stated why we stated that the demands are minimal. The university has already agreed in general principles. They have agreed that they support these demands. They have agreed to them since April 8th 1968. Immediately after Dr. King's murder when we presented the now we are stating is we want the implementation because we have been negotiating since April 8th. At that time and we are saying that we have not had this situation resolved. Ricardo would you like to speak. Well I could use you. You said it. And let me ask you a question. You're a black administrator in a predominantly white college. Jackson college is a tough university and you could very easily. It's conceivable that you might get caught between this kind of response on the part of black students and the administration. How do you what are your feelings about what's occurring at Brandeis right. Well of course immediately we were hoping that we will be able to respond
to the needs of our students so that we don't get caught. You know that's a heck of a bind to be caught in. And there's a tightrope walker you know who walks that you are lying that type. I don't know how one does it to do it one day at a time it's like being an alcoholic and you hope you don't fall off and you hope you do it satisfactorily. But. I have a feeling that has nothing to do with a third ear. You sort of feel what. I feel it because I'm black. I kind of feel what's wanted there that probably is one of the problems of the Brandeis kids there's nobody who's black who's high enough up in the administration to communicate across the lines without going through all the channels you know likes you say well I know how they feel and I don't know how they feel and I know because I'm one of them isn't they. It's only they and I because they are students and I'm not. That's the focus right there. But I think that's what's important. And Ricardo as
a black student at a predominantly white predominately is not really adequate to express what some universities are. But in a predominantly white institution where do you go as a black student to talk to someone who can offer an understanding ear about your problems. And there are specific problems as a black student in that circumstance. Who do you go to aggrandize. This is a. Funny question for me because I've been at Brandeis for five years and the first year I was at Brandeis 1964. There wasn't. Many people you could go to because there weren't many black people around. But at the present time. Who do you go to you go of course to your black brothers and sisters students. And I must add. This year because of increased enrollment and because of the. Demand for the blacks by the black students that we needed a black advisor Mr.
Nathan Johnson. Or black advisor. As performed this role very adequately is a very black person. And he is a person who understand the needs of black students and who has been trying to communicate this need to the administration. What's his role in the university itself. Well right now he's been given many titles to black students. Just think of. Think of it as a black advisor. The administration prefers to think of him as the. Assistant Dean of Students. But. In realistic terms it is indeed the black advisor to black students. Other than this. There is they for American society. This is where most of the black kids go. We hash out our problems. We. Have seminars each week and black ideology black thought black feeling.
We ironed out our own problems. We've tried to bring soul food to the campus. Have sold parties. And. Just being a minority. Of a minority or Brandeis and as you said a predominantly white university the necessity of feeling blacks is more overwhelming than it would be if you were an all black college or another predominantly white institution that was Harvard. Skip Griffin. Harvard seems to have avoided the kind of confrontation that Brandeis is undergoing. What are some of the factors that are important. Well I think each university is different in its response to black students. Harvard has not taken a rigid stance agree Brandeis or some of the other schools to this point been somewhat understanding. However you know the whole process of negotiations seems to be slowing down.
We still haven't had a black curriculum developed. I think the main reason why there hasn't been any conflict at Harvard is precisely because they are trying or they seem on the surface to understand the problem and are trying to move towards some solution. Do you have some plan by which you can determine if them if they're moving fast enough or if they're moving in directions which are actually required in other words you know at one point do you say things are not happening quickly enough are happening to our satisfaction. Well that point comes February the 11th when the faculty decides whether or not they're going to approve the CPS recommendation to establish a black studies department and to hire black professors to head up this department and to establish a Afro-American center as a place for you know where black people can go and socialize and discuss ideas about what they want to do in the future. To this point Harvard
has a process through which you go through to make any innovations in the school and the c p is the first major step and they have approved program. C.P is a committee on educational policies and is there an executive job involved there. Will there be one single person for instance. Are you demanding demanding that there be two people to head up a black studies department and that they be selected by a committee of students and faculty members. You know we would like to think. We like Brandeis feel that it is necessary essential that we you know prove the person who is selected to head up this department. Doris you go to another university which seems to have been part of what troubled Boston University was the scene of a black take. I believe it was the Administration Building was the president's office president's office. And yet that was successfully resolved without a violent
confrontation. Well I think I think the major difference between you and Harvard would be you and Brandeis is that there are different personalities involved and we happen to have a president who was chosen because he's very good looking man and he's a perfect man. And he never comes off looking badly in the press and he went when you know it became known that the building was taken over he held an immediate press conference and he immediately worked to see that things would be done and as a result we have these things that people at Brandeis and people at Harvard are asking for. We have a center. We have you know increased you know enrollment of students and they've made room in the dormitories for Roxbury students to come and live you know which is something that they didn't do if you if you live near enough school to commute they usually wouldn't
give you a dormitory room but they have made efforts to see that black students from you know the surrounding Boston area where you know could live on campus where the university students in Boston at Boston University able to choose the person who heads up programs mainly concerning blacks. Well as a matter of fact the man who heads the Center John court right. I understand that there is there is there is a lot of dissatisfaction with him. People. Like to toss around words like Uncle Tom and they call him Uncle Tom. I know the man personally he was he was in my school a professor my school a public relations professor. He's divided into schools and my particular school school I mean he was a professor and he did me a very great favor once because I was a black student and I feel that the man is trying. The kids main gripe with him is that he he is you know part of the administration he tries to work
with the administration for the kids and you know everyone is you know in their sort of bomb throwing bag these days. And so there's a lot of dissatisfaction with him they want to depose him but they haven't got a real case. Randi. I've been listening to radio talk shows this past week and you've managed to become the starting topic of conversation. But seriously you are risking quite a bit. You're asking an educational future you're asking. Conceivably bodily harm. What a series of incidents took place to bring you to the point where you were willing to risk you know a future and good health to achieve a certain goal. Well as I stated on April 8th 1968 right after Martin Luther King's murder we presented a series of demands to the university which was spoken to in the film. And one of those demands was the setting up of an Afro American
affairs Advisory Council which will be made up of five administrators five faculty and 10 students seven black and three white which we're going to make sure that these demands will be implemented. Now. In. July President Obama before he became president of university became a member ex-officio of this committee so that he would know what he was getting himself into when he became president Brandeis and then he chaired this committee since his inauguration in September he's been chairman of this committee and this committee has been trying to get these to me as implemented. Now the demands that we have presented are the same demands. That we presented in April. But except for number seven because number seven happened right before Christmas and not at
that time and we have been negotiating and negotiating these demands through this advisory council. And what is what has happened is we have not gotten what we wanted we asked for an Afro-American and African Studies Department. What we got was a concentration in fact and now we are stating is what we have to have these things which have been negotiated all this time I'm trying to reach for that personal decision making level one of the young men is. One who has to take into consideration the whole history of black people in this country is not only the Presidents situation at Brandeis is what that situation and the confrontation symbolizes. It symbolizes. A demand by black people to gain power. In an environment that influence lives. Now a lot of these men and women I
should call them are not kids because they have made this decision. I've. Come to realize. That their fathers before them their great grandfather before them. Been living in a country. Which have not allowed them the right to be men which have not allow them the right to assume that decision making processes which influence their lives. And these men and women in Fort Hall. Are demanding the right to be that men and woman. And they are willing to die. I mean DIE FOR THIS RIGHT. Its a simple matter of power. Its the whole way you achieve victory. We have to achieve victory the way we want it. We do not want it handed down to us like. Well this is a piece of pie. And what I'm going to give you because you behave a
good boy. And this has been the sort of the general way in which victory has always been given to the black man. And we are not taking that anymore. We want victory the way we've outlined it. We want a piece of that power. Either you want to give it to us or you're not. We hope that this see this temperament will be won which would be planted at Brandeis and grow and blossom throughout the United States. As I stated earlier in the program that was happening at Brandeis is a microscopic. Example or model of what will eventually happen in this society. Colombia for instance which is you know one of the first you know takeover type situations places like Colombia and this recent takeover at Harvard. Young white student sitting in on the faculty meeting and the you know the results that time at
Harvard they were they were they were put on probation I think they were suspended at Columbia and nothing has happened at Columbia in spite of all the blood all the pictures. How is the decision reached to take over that building. What what makes you believe in the efficacy of taking over the building in view of the fact that people who've taken over buildings have only failed you know with administrations with schools. You're asking me what was the rational plan behind taking over for the Hall other than like taking over Fort Hall rather than any other kind of demonstration like why that sort of a demonstration in particular. First of all for Hall houses the communication the switchboard for the university. It houses some valuable equipment plus the fact that houses the one little room. Where Mr. Johnson I said before the black advisor has his office in this one
room or center. Ironically. That black people have come together to hold their meetings and to speak with Mr. Johnson and so forth. And ironically this building we happened to be in the moment we made the decision. So things just happened like that. I got you said and you said that there have been failures but for example in San Francisco State I think by no stretch of the imagination is that a failure particularly because any time you make you force the people in the state to confront the trustees of that university and their rigidity people like Rafferty and Ronald Reagan and actually begin to create significant changes in the university structure or at least pose the question of change. But is not a failure but a stake a state college I think would be different than a private college. Do you see what I mean people wouldn't be paying taxes and people would probably have a lot less at stake the public something like Columbia highly private university something like Harvard.
You know say Harvard is where most powerful businesses are interested in current and past president Columbia would agree that their students have failed. But you know when Mark Rudd was here he said that the chief saying that all they got was the dean's office doors were open and he said that in spite of the fact that you know there was all this fighting and everything that he said that it had done nothing. The demonstration to change Columbia. The fact is that this is not another Columbia. What are we and what we are in fact stating is that there are not black faculty people at Brandeis. There is a visiting lecturer. But there is not there are not permanent black faculty people at Brandeis present. What we are stating is that black people at Brandeis now consist of the students and this is not a part you know just to the power. It happens that we are students. But the essence is that black people have to control their destinies within the White
institutions of this country to make it relevant to us. And we are not approaching this you know in the level of student power like Columbia. This is an issue of our black people going to control our destinies in the institution at Brandeis. The case is that the only black faculty member that there is at the moment is a visiting lecturer. And so the thing is we dont have the this is not the same thing as Columbia. This is not just power. This is the whole issue of how black people are finally going to be able to control them. We are not stating that. We want the student power of Columbia we are stating you know do we have. Do black people have the right. We are putting it. But we say black people have the right to control their destiny within the Constitution or Brandeis. It has to be that the students are the people you know don't you think.
You think that student power is involved if students are going to choose a faculty head. Isn't this isn't this isn't this a big issue the big issue that John just in case. No I don't know. I think there's a danger of interpret any moves made by black students as student problems per se. Because I'd like to think that black students are an extension of the black community and that the struggle on universities is just an extension of the struggle of black people. And I think the rationale behind taking over a building comes out of the understanding of the relationship between the powers that be in black people. I think black students today understand that we are powerless people and that these universities are power groups and we understand that power never concedes anything without a struggle whether it's a moral struggle or a physical store and this is what we have to deal with the other thing is that taking over
a building represents a new form of protest and non acceptable form of protest. And this whole matter is hooked up in gaining one's freedom if one protest by the rules which have been set down by the power structure one is really not becoming free from the man who still under the man's grips you know all that. But you know you are a person who's got one foot in the academic community and the other very distinctly in the black community you know where where are we going from that perspective. Well I was going to say one thing that I think we ought to clear that up very carefully. I would think that if we sat here and talked very much about the we can talk about the tactics because we've seen you know taking over the building but I'm sure the tactics are part of who you know of a strategy that was very well planned and if it is if this is true and we do think of the black campus as a faction or a part or an
arm of the black community certainly we are going to go into a large conversation about strategies on the air. I hope not. I'm certain that there will be a part of that so that would you know that would take care of that I think it is really very true that large power groups do view power in a mercantile sort of way like a discrete item and if we give you some of it we have less for ourselves I think there's another way to look at power. It can be it can be shared. I think this is what we're talking about in the community that when we govern and we wish to govern in a group of students parents and community leaders this is the. Organizing principle behind the king cabinet. I think if I'm reading you this is what you're saying. I don't think that we're really saying what we it's been interpreted to us as I don't think I think it's exactly what you say it is that if you take one if you take it out of one one
group's hands and give it to the other group then you have the same kind of situation accruing. What you're saying is that you want a group of people. On your choosing with representatives from each segment in the university to sit down with each having an equal vote to choose the persons that are going to do this thing that you want done. Is that what you say. Well we have a center the administration the forum the whole question here is the selection board who is going to select the director for the that for American Studies Department. Now the proposal that we sent in a while ago was that the blacks three black students of Brandeis would be on this committee and three black academicians which we would choose and. The dean of faculty from Brandeis who was white. We would accept this person on the committee that this would be the committee. Reverend Virgil would say this very eloquently yesterday in the Martin Luther King
birthday service which I attended which I spoke and he stated the issue very clearly that this is the area of black culture. I think that all of us here agree that when it comes to black culture which is in essence the Afro-American African Studies Department that black people know what black culture is. I'm sure we have had you know courses where we see that when black students are the only black students are the only black people in the room becomes a process of white people picking our brains to find out what is it like to be black. Now we already know what it's like to be black and that is not the issue of the African American Studies Department we already know what it's like to be black and for us to sit there and to answer to white students. You know this is what it's like to be black. We aren't getting anything out of the Course and what we want is black people. They are controlling this and we are stating it is not this election that's going to control the department. This election was to make sure that we get the right director we want a state once we have examined every possible
person that we can come up with that we have chosen the person that epitomizes what we want to and that's what we are as black people. And I would assume black people all over the country would assume that you know this is what we call you know the person who is going to lead the way in this department. And then that person is free. The selection committee is dissolved. That person starts through the university procedures in directing that program. Now we have stated you know we wanted to partner with the right to hire and fire which clearly states that we don't want the selection committee does not want to control that department. We want to make sure that it gets offs is set off right by a black person which we have full confidence in the selection committee goes goes into is no longer in effect. And we are sure that this person the director or the chairman of this department is the one who is involved in the hiring and firing committee clearly stated and that to me is not that the selection committee control the problem but that the
department chairman controls that department. And I think this is the issue right here raised by this are black people who know exactly you know what it's like to be black to sit in black horses to have white people ask us what it's like to be black or a Black people going to be running this program and letting working within the framework of we already know what it's like to be black which the white students will get out of this. Plus the added dimension of black people demonstrating what black art is. This is the whole issue of the program. This is essential if any black studies as we call Afro-American African Studies Department is going to be of any relevance to black people and to white people. Now which just relevant to white people they were asking us what it's like to be black. We're telling them we aren't getting anything out of it. And this is the situation that we've been at. Let me ask if we can clear one other thing here. There's been a lot of confusion about the number of demands of tenants. The president said something about 30 to what the facts around the can address himself to that question. X it's like as I stated these demands had already been negotiated.
They already know what these demands were and we've presented them as shorthand for now stating just what we know what the demand was. The administration said we don't exactly understand what you want to say. So we wrote out. Point is to me and point by point you know what this demand means and that now they've added this up on state to society to demands. No an issue right here is the fact that we have stated that the brochure be sent out. Of the brochure call the blasting to Brandeis be sent out immediately we have been writing this post and the ministry has been editing it. You know we started it on June 9 1968. No we don't know. As for the administration the fact that the brochure has already been sent was sent to the publisher. Now we state it in a point of clarification is that the book should go out immediately and any future thing. The administration asked the American organization to do on behalf of black people be done by black people now
we want a recruiting program which administration says are gonna give us now we need a film for recruiting. This is going to be a vital issue. Black people are going to be able to write to make all the film do the editing. The administration who is mainly white going to tell us what is relevant to other black people this is the only issue here. The administration has not addressed himself itself to this particular issue and this is why we are still in the building. They have not addressed themselves this issue. They have not said yes. They have not said no. We're waiting for that answer. Yes I know. Let me ask you another question here. Do you think that what's been occurring in Fort Hall has been fairly accurately reported in the White press and the city of Boston I don't think you can fight a black revolution with the help of the white press. Lately in the last couple of days. The press has been. Attempting to be a bit more objective about it. You know like newspapers we tried to allow only black reporters and
they most probably tried to report objectively what was going on in the building. Of course they had to send it to the Home Office and. They all just want to take the most controversial aspect of it for editorial papers that they had to sell their papers. And they're also quite. Silly. It's been basically in the last couple of days reasonable. Not totally It has improved in the last couple of the last couple of days. What. What I think has sort of counteracted the sort of false equivocations of the press is that we've gotten this out like bullets out which has been written inside of the building. By the students inside the building and this has been the most objective report or press Felisa you can say we've had has the university made any offers for. Their use of their public relations department or help of that kind.
No she's not. I knew the answer very quickly. Can we just get. Round robin opinion here. Is this kind of seizure and confrontation process going to continue. Well you just touched upon a point that I'd like to extend on a little bit. I think confrontation will continue but only if the process of negotiation fails. What most people don't realize is that a confrontation or a seizure is not the first step. These people have gone through a process of negotiation the people of San Francisco State went through a process of negotiation. We at Harvard have gone through a process of negotiation. You'd think it's going to continue and that fun will go Sheraton's are not fruitful. And you have to resort to other forms of protest because you know I mean the demands are central to the survival and development of our people. We only have a little time left but if we didn't have to go college by college you
know as I say about the black community school by school or neighborhood by neighborhood. And we wouldn't have to go this long route and finally end up with a frontline kind of thing. But I have no feeling that we won't have to go that. And I add that I believe when you say that it is true that we're going to have to bring it out in the open after it's all been negotiated out and when it comes to what will you settle for and that's really what the last stage of the negotiation means. Will you settle for this. We both hope very much the same. I'm sorry we're out of time I found too enlightening and interesting experience. I'd like to thank all of you for having joined us tonight and we're especially Randy and Ricardo. Best of luck. I'm sure you were going to make it if not in this particular instance and we will all make it within days. Black power on the university campus. Slightly altered. But equally effective. Say brother thanks you for joining us and we'll see you again next week. Good evening.
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Say Brother
Black Power on University Campuses
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Program examines the student takeover of Ford Hall at Brandeis University, an administration building Brandeis students occupied during the filming of the program. The first portion of the program features black and white footage of the takeover, including an enumeration of student demands and a statement to the press by university President Morris Abram. The second half of the program consists of a panel discussion of Black Power on university campuses. Discussion panel is moderated by Henry Hampton (Founder, Black Side, Inc.) and features Brandeis students Randy Bailey and Ricardo Millette, Boston University student Doris Francis, Harvard University student Skip Griffin, and Associate Dean of Jackson College Bernice J. Miller (the show incorrectly gives her name as Beatrice Miller).
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Brandeis University; African Americans Education; Education Political aspects; race relations; Universities and colleges Administration; Civil Rights; Student protesters
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