City Makers; 7; Mayor John Lindsay; Footage of Interview with John Lindsay

it's been the place as it leaves its own has got to be some you know both sides like a reasonable response to get a ship a chance to talk the population has

been mr harvey thank you mia love letters no ma'am we're going to we have a lot of security blanket the sea light is why did this job it is

you know no no our time here is there you come from a privileged background but the school for boys st paul school yale yale law school certainly a public office is not a vehicle for upward mobility someone for background why when you expose yourself to all of the conflicts and problems and misunderstandings

involved in public office at the technology officer america and sitting in your wealth if i may be permitted the roller pump a statement that while others because of that rather special privilege that i did and i went to a destroyer one too and distinguish the character a school for boys in this country which are models itself after they've been a system of playing at a public school and they seemed that another school says that as that the first order of services that to believe that moment of mankind and i don't take it you know i take that i have taken a grocer's that's a they're rather stuffy statement but thats true second i think that to my class at that school and also my class at college we had the highest percentage of course my classmates killed in world war two than in any other

class before after us by the mai mai high school are proprietors goes we call it class and he lost a certain killed and that now and i was away in public for three years and one goes through certain certain areas and makes certain resolutions so that i chose the public rather than the private road then finally a refinery one final person on the same point is that in my family it hasn't always been the center of my own my grandfather was an immigrant to this country they corrupted the no any nominee of white like so many other immigrants and that can united states in the way of a job as a uniformed officer there's a bank security guard and my of my own father and because the family couldn't afford one to work at age fifteen and we did not in graduate from moscow the vietnam war ended that until

he died at age seventy four so that but this in all of this as a breast is a little bit of tape of a history of the knowledge of pressure but i they're less demanding ways of serving the public in the impossible joe mayor city art oh i'm sure i was a very happy and enthusiastic member of congress of the congress for seven years and nine we enjoyed that life enjoyed living in washington during that period on top but that was not believe this year in the latter part of that experience where the scene was changing and obviously the action and they and then he does in the urban field and this is where this is where the the frontline trenches on this is where they key problems are for years people were saying why does everybody avoid it will this still avoiding

mediocrity in the political world as always sought an innocent the field but he just can't be left constantly have been in that area i do think that it requires a retention of everybody around who go in who decides that they want to sell them fully of the world i think that the first area of pressure and i don't care whether talking about domestic or international affairs the first air pressure still remains that big cities in this country if you look though at the mayor's of the larger cities of our country to see that it seems of the office of mayor is almost an expendable office mayor daley in chicago than having his problems mayor yury year has probably many more problems and he realizes oh wants to admit cavanaugh and to try and having problems and one almost give the

feeling that the deal may america large city is almost to say well this might be the end political service well one should not go in this business unless one is prepared to exhaust all political credit cards and if anyone has the notion that eli uses a steppingstone for flights for some other political office is wrong and should not view is that you never convince the press the press will always say that whoever it is words cabin or myself as somebody else or white of boston or goodfellas lois a well is an ambitious also just wants to be president united states army this kind and no matter how much it is said it just can't be the fact an ironic that way and up i i really believe and i've always believed that to be in america and a great large city that one should expect to be expandable and take away this particular time in history and i don't think it's necessary that it's a

sense of getting the reason for it is on the whole because the problems come close to being insoluble the non insoluble but they become close and it's the world's easiest thing because i've done it myself in the past and i watch other politicians do is the world's easiest thing for other politicians at other levels and state government in federal government and in between and also for people in general to cop out by saying you know listen that's hamlet this way cause it'll be the mayor's problem you don't have to worry about the nerve you know in the last analysis of as a terrible shortage of money and resources on and all the crushing pressures in an urban saying at other areas a you know a set of themselves in the last analysis of people stormed city hall because that's the first area of compliant and as a congressman i

notice when a week we also that we all know if we understood that it was the other guy's problem and we shortchanged the city or we didn't do what was right when he was in the last analysis that it may have been there would have to man the barricades and and that's you know a governor's nomination of this on our senators and our congressmen and indeed the liam the established empire only umpires or around the eyes and this their relationship with iran set to close city needs help and he is seven term we can't give the city help unless the federal government is the stage now where howard and go around those about you know everybody's right in the argument but when it comes down to the fact is that they that to bar all states of the cities are so hard pressed it there for the the big resolution of the problem there has got to be a massive an

injection of the federal interest it does have to be the old kind of interest doesn't have to be in a real system they'll know the old the voice of grants and aid and a matching grants and of the problems that the arm as to death to be administered by huge bureaucracies it can and should be something quite different and quite knew rather experimental in some ways but you see now the mayor's gerry kavanagh on detroit and kevin white in boston the elio in san francisco and so on and so forth slowed my dear friend ivan allen eleven was getting out of the business that is rather discouraged over the commitment of the country they're prepared to my non can possibly find solutions to this unless the nation as a whole which in the first instance must mean the federal government is prepared to mount something that is

that is equivalent to the effort that was mounted to work when world war two in this case as the enemy the enemy are all the diseases of the city all of the all of the pressures and tensions that exists there will have roots of sources yahoo is gonna be really liked is by a great huge manhattan project you know like mountain the atomic bomb nobody's done that yet and very few people didn't talk seriously about in effect the art director in understanding of what you're saying that the federal government is has been in fact training the city's embarcadero turning back to the cities and fiscal support which would be in order the savoy well that's too harsh about the story about money for a moment the pressure that in the last analysis the mayors have is for operating money the

capital money to build things is not too big we can build housing we can build schools we can build police stations we need and over large water pollution plant facilities and tremendous or assistant at any new housing and even subway systems and and housing we even can do that the summit all this can be done to some extent that really we've committed new york city to one billion dollars of city tax money alone for mass transit for the next ten years that's out of mandela's ear twelve new subway systems we could use three times that are big problem and the problem of their triton of boston and of atlanta cincinnati and cleveland new name and our big problem is a shortage of operating revenue to pay wages and salaries of police fire and sanitation man maine has meant to pick up the trash in the parks and on the streets to keep the beaches clean lifeguards inspectors and housing

operating money shortage is what strangling the cities here one must point out that the fifty years ago the percentage of federal money that was devoted to the urban scene for expense money type stuff was vastly higher than it is even numbered in a percentage and what has got to happen is that we must have relief from this pressure and one reason the pressure is so great is it all of the cities have increases our automatic and mandated in the cost of doing business that varies between fifteen and twenty percent a year set high in the big cities lesser of the smaller ones any r rated annual increase in return on revenue is not more than that the maximum of eight percent and the reason for that is is that we're stuck with a fixed base and revenue stream

than our resources that's the reason why i keep pushing our state and our governor and everybody else for what i call urban eight which is a tax sharing device under which the communities counties the villages the towns and the cities would receive a portion of the suggested a very minor percent of the one source of revenue that is flexible they leave income tax a lot of the chances of this as long as i think our company who come sunday at six to innovative into know at the present time for the hours a day but one that's got to come and by the same token the federal government ought to do the same in respect of states and localities the governor is pushing for this but as long as such a high proportion of the federal budget but it is devoted to defense and deadly sins we have not yet found a solution out of the vietnam war that we cannot realistically expect any major increase in support of the

city's of the federal funding is probably true well are we going to get that only actually have been anticipated by do have a deficit and a half billion dollars next year her that's almost automatically every year more lesson is not a serious is as serious as very serious cause it has to be discovered and the process of discovering it means if you also have to have he says the cost of doing business go up you pay higher wages and salaries that means that you've really gotta find it that you either have to load up more more taxes and you can do that locally all the time because you just you just drive people out but you're but iraqis say the only how to chop petzel resigned under the ovaries and you have to do with fewer people if you if you grant wages our increases at that and under the general cost that much you don't have the money to meet the course a major dealing with fewer people actually been other ways to make up for this and one always has

to be a greater productivity of the system and that means the introduction of systems management the rand corporation is one of the great editions we've got a city here that come from california to assist us and in making thoroughly modern m machinery the bureaucracy with which we deal with it's a great battle that has to go on all the time because every move you make to get more production obviously you have to deal with a fixed interest so unions that to who have come with good reason sometimes a stake in the status quo and you know not more production so that's at the newspaper industry's been through this for longer than this america the rand corporation really help you in new york city when you have those one of your almost peculiar urban problems very strong unions says police union foreign <unk> chipping away at it all the time i saw him as they report in today's

senate rand corporation with a new york to make a study done and it's not it's not a study it's a permanent partnership under which do you feed into inch by inch into the system of management techniques that permission to do this now you make you make little gangs and in each of the areas where we have major unions are we keep chipping away at it to be a way of what well i think that in the area of productivity they get more flexibility so that we can do we want to you know it's a funny over simplifies it a classic example of a past due with a struggle right now an unknown in police science a good holiday to get rid of the really outrageous three victims under which show even all he doesn't he was a red side of a five hundred and fifty million dollars a year that we spend on police now the red stone to help compensate for that they still reserved themselves the right to tell us how to use them and albany has restricted us

and the use of police to three equal groups police interrogate our chefs and what we like to do would be to use more police rhinos are as one when the people need the most protection which is between the hours of six pm and two am in the morning and this is a matter that nobody was outside for you you can now you can walk home from your place of worship to your home at four five o'clock in the morning and in the knowledge that you undoubtedly will be perfectly secure tried that eleven o'clock at night and you may have a problem and yet we are overstaffed on police at four o'clock in the morning and understaffed at eleven o'clock at night and all reasonable logic would lead to the conclusion that you ought to have the flexibility to use your memoir such fashion but you get maximum used response and that can be done in such a fashion that it can help the police to because of the shifts the shift system can be so arranged but their

home lives are easier as was oliver says italy today it really is then leads a very difficult time because it's constantly changing his shift over time each week in only goes one week is on from you know from forty afternoon until twelve midnight the next week is on from probably not located in the morning and the next week he does is often at more information and we just imagine what this does to your home life and your habits of sleep at all are assuming was the mayor that this is a massively logical thing to do though what about the epa now in this case their post and that's our job to the reason and the panda demonstrate by education and whatnot and as you know you can understand the opposition because where they thoroughly irresponsible police commissioner he could abuse of flexibility this day and age that is going to happen because the first place the public is not going to

tolerate irresponsible commissioners please and neither are the police unfortunately when you're nervous produce prior police commissioner now or bleary and most other cities and i know the struggle that immediacy to it that they have to upgrade people isn't commanding ellis grey uniformed service but the boys still remains a very pro fall organizations of the school employees to reduce the flexibility of increased efficiency increase management and so we certainly saw that yes but you know you get that you can also get the gains we just cut troop including owner and board member at large contract to one of our largest municipal organizations that having to do with that in the area of social services for the poor and there we've been very anxious to introduce a new management techniques and some new sciences here that would be a great benefit to the poor we believe and also save millions of dollars upwards of you know

thirty to fifty million dollars a year and the cost of it and the wi fi may get through after months and months of negotiations we find a concluded it in such a fashion that it was an agreement with the union that we do have the flexibility to phase out in fact thousands of workers who've been on the full time city payroll who can be more useful ways spend used in other ways and labor cost savings would be very great it really is a management productivity i'm over the last analysis and you know often it funny work and we've we've been able after careful negotiations and pressured counter pressure to get you into a level that the private sector has the same problem can in ali yeah we had we lost two newspapers and the city of new york and

largely largely because they've in the last analysis they gave up on the constant fight but themselves on an automated basis and they were unable to do so that was only one of the reasons you one can say that was the whole reason but it was a the cost factors were such that they finally decided that there was too much was city can't go out of business unless you just can't close a visit to get well you know we just can't just can't close down and say we're not the melody fireman anymore what you can to the most important problems plaguing our series today and use your term seemingly almost impossible solution well it's the one that you probably would expect me to say can but did that we've just been talking about it's a shortage of operating revenue i think that's the biggest headache that all cities are faced with that said run instance the answer that it's perhaps an over simplification but it sums up an awful lot about it really does sure you've gone from and talk about institutionalized

how you get institutionalized or whether they've public or private or some words in between to be responsive to government and one in the leadership in the government wanted to people at their roads on the other it again and have a response of and how do you establish perfect lines of communication that don't break down and end times pressure like umbrellas as those all important and i'm significant lead the constant grind that people in iran is a constant fight to find enough operating revenue to do business world if we look at those serb peasants reflect the fact that the middle class and upper middle class people are leaving the cities in greater numbers and we found no way over having them even those who work in the city's contribute to unpack my office yeah there's a bounce to that it is true that since world war two particularly an especially almost a

harrowing and probably coincidental with a mass migration of poor in the cities men and so it is true that there has been and out migration of the middle class the suburban communities and the great rise in population of suburbia reflects all it's not without any fiscal flow back in the city is now no fiscal flow back except for those cities now that have established regional what tax systems that the tax commuter we were the first to do that here in new york among others there are now almost forty cities do and in the last just the last two years of the last count i had was thirty six and i dont because again as i mentioned earlier they did not they'd been denied any flexible sorts of revenue but they do what you what begins to stem the tide of out make out migration of the middle class whites largely in the suburban areas is that is the increasing counterbalance of the pressure of this of

the suburbs themselves with it you try to get demographic data on this is also possible in the first place the decennial sunday is census is a salt arable they're not accurate but in between there isn't any honest count but is merely intel as members a little slow down the out migration and there's some movement back in the saddle so here is there is here in new york of young people particularly oh it is a burden for the cost is is very great but what does some of this and what we'll do more of it in the future is as it becomes increasingly apparent that the suburbs barb no burdens with the same terrible problems of the center cities have their bag a terrible time they're becoming overburdened on taxes or leasing think they are they have problems of the poor don't forget to give and that terrible storm it sixty seven when twenty five cities burned down forcing europe is not one during riots we had

this community occur in the suburbs won out to suffolk county in one westchester county and people are increasingly discovered that there is no escape from the urban pressure and we had a suburbia now people increasingly are finding that they're in the same horrible headaches and the pollution in a too many highways your bills a frightful cluttering up everything they are problems of the poor are very education a school systems and on top of that if they happen to commute into a central city areas they do until then detroit and as they do and services go on as i do in boston as they do in new york and other areas where there are suburban populations began to find it they have all same problems in government settings but daily double lives and they're not they're not on their sorrow enjoy your sinking in to the really the guts of the city life and it is a fact i think that civilization throughout history

has risen or fall and according to the strength of the central city areas and the reason one has got to operate under the assumption that these great cities are not only government that can be civilized is that there is no alternative and if one takes the assumption that they have to be dismembered or that they were they're not in any shape to continue as a viable forces and in america then in effect you're saying that that you're spelling what does that has got to be the deterioration of civilizations a whole another factor is being offered as a basis for inadequate revenue to operate our city is very very high proportion of tax exempt real estate in cities do you consider that an important factor in the art and science of the factory everywhere my dear friend johnny cochran the mayor of jerusalem in israel he tells me that one of the biggest problems that he

has is a busy incredible amount of property is tax exempt area as it's a big struggle we have somewhere new a third and our town there are ways that you can make adjustments here and should very carefully obviously you don't stop texting religious institutions and ella was a very institutions are really important than four instantly the involvement of the private sector and than a religiously oriented organizations and public work but what you can do is make various adjustments and we're beginning to do that with religious organizations in our city that by agreement understand that if they operate in office building for profit that this is an area where you want to talk about the proper contribution of texas roots some of our foundations are now voluntarily making contributions of in lieu of taxation voluntarily but quite a few of them at doing that than the other great areas of

tax exemption is ungovernable property in the municipal area if there are federal and state building's of summer and they're all tax exempt that can quite probably be adjusted and certainly are peasants year old gordon course we have huge post offices and heaven knows what else and this is an area where we're in some support it we ought to get and walter mills agrees we should get that but we never seem to be a leading down about is some competition on the federal government for the massive support that we give to the united nations does the term import institution in our city and we are we're about to make some massive investments and expanding areas whatnot for their use and benefit as crews weaved we want them here we're proud of them and other great pride or a city that alas the cost for tucson police for example along are very large and the arty beers over because we weren't all we have a huge international

body here we have i think of the ninety six consuls general the new york city all of which is good and right proper in fact i have two separate institutions and apartments that to each of them do nothing but worry about the health education welfare and happiness of united nations family and of the council's generals and their families this expensive we do this as a world city and as a as a last remaining city state doesn't work remains of the state but without the revenue to operate as the cities they believe they're out that again that's it's the same the same question we've just been talking about an obvious interest to be adjustments i think tax sharing is the one of it tnt it's almost important ones it's a it's a strengthening some congressional problems of growth that even though experimental of a workable i'm good

and that most certainly means data an innovation in the area of new experiments on urban life and we've been all you got to do what we are doing in our cities is creating devices under which large neighborhoods and communities and so organized themselves that with a reasonable government supervision they may receive federal money city money sometimes state money that's available and private money and do it all and no such fashioned that it can be a strategy for its total use them as such that you not only you know only if you wish to build can build houses but also provide a no sanitation services or maintenance for parts and

whatnot you know i mean you mentioned a moment ago lia wears a short of money in it and i said and i said capital money is not too difficult to get a good example the rebelling at the moment summer night tamm an intermediate size swimming pools a new york city and construction now enemies size for the city is very thick that huge balls but they're not the great monster ones that you've seen you know letter twice a sizeable and people with massive facilities for dressing in changing a somewhat smaller but still great facilities that were going on us marbles and we build vest pocket parks the problem is is in maintaining it ask you to build it you must have a lifeguard or more is you know was six year old child to be found ground at the bottom of the pool or the end of the day and you know i had made its people and watch it and this is the cost of this is the murderous thing that is so difficult and this

is one reason why we are increasingly taking our budgets that have been separate capital budget year expense budget there and are now gradually combining them into combine budgets so that we always know every time we'd plan a new school or swimming for a museum or a library say case maybe we know exactly what the shower is an the shadow area is that is that expense of cost to carry out where were now in our rent a crash program and certain run hospitals museums libraries but the killer on this is who's gonna be in the library to stafford and when you have a shortage of money where it really gets you is in that area not so much of the bricks and mortar the other problem a shortage of money so the common core says put it out and the related problems of inadequate services

housing health and welfare sanitation businesses means but as you've pointed out these are common to all of our large cities are there some well i can think offhand no one probably the seed for me to be peculiar today harper certainly exaggerated in the yard and that's the problem only competition among various ethnic groups that comprise i watched in the last year or two you become all sleep scapegoat center of the girls competing with other ethnic groups and the other ethnic groups and eating to keep the negroes from being out do you find this typically a sense of at the problem well as they are in the us if it's a problem i get a lot of exacerbating that is one that every city in the country has to go through and will go through but that didn't seem particularly disturbing more focused in new york city well these animals

really and dr coburn is always out in front the analyses that we got a lot of pressure now school system reservation you are you are welcome anyway you know something about being in educating yourself in that image stood in the reorganization school system was as having not only any other central cities but it's also happening in the suburbs in this country and you as i think you're well familiar about the two things that need need to one has to take note one is that most of the things that are happening in new york and disrespect our because there is innovation there is a change and we are the avant garde when it comes to trying to figure out the ultimate long run solution is to newark impressions of him there second

one should understand to vote even though we are first in everything in new york in my judgment the senate chamber of commerce now but once in a while the music graveyard word of a tidal wave we're not integrated in a liberal city that everyone in the whole country thinks we're going to face in the archives as the massive kind of radicalism is the way they say a certain level i say it is a great little town you know close automatically democratic and way out democratic in hand up all the old all your moles that people have in their minds in which they associate liberalism was certain results late ken on the york factory matter is the arc it was never a melting pot it's always been called that it is not it's a mess the ark is a community of many many communities and neighborhoods

and each of them has its own roots and its own habits and its own ideas sometimes its own biases and the arm one when you find in new york at this they say this is an italian neighborhood and this is an irish narrow this is the jewish community itself was on there's some value in the us if you find a neighborhood where other people say this is our neighborhood and we have our own shops and markets we sell special kinds of food we have street festivals and fairs that are ours are tied to their irish it's it's a jewish festival or you manage and this great traditions in history that go with this sometimes with a religious background to it that is all good at it and it provides stability what happens when these groups

compete because they seem vaguely an education issue well is they would argue will they started competing they start them in the sun as a competition begins when new groups tried to break it and this has been the history of this van that the whole history of love for migration and united states in new york city is that it was the first point of migration an irishman came in great numbers to our city and many of them one of the police department this was a government of first and last resort for many irishman there's great migration from the old world and from eastern and western european jews to new york city and because of history tradition and background they became the most important aspect of our school system oh good ride again here government which is visible government was the employer of

first and last resort of his case of battalions came to the united states and they came to new york first and i found out that that place that crack in the system that they can move into for employment was an area sanitation and so i'm glad because i made then finally the year than fighting there was their reserve after all this there was black migration it so happened it didn't come from across the water it came from another part of the united states but it was still in migration and one of the areas of tension and problems has resulted here is it is that they found no change in the system no area of garmin first a last resort know a private sector and then fast enough to this created terrible precious after going out on very encouraging thing you can i'm sure that you know susan know about yourself so far as the government is concerned it's like the police became a great area for for irish song that

in our system here health services is the area that has increasingly become they let the crack an assistant or another black man becoming oregon's and the result for the puerto rican to and the result is in the health services it is a massive institution public and private industry result is that you begin to see that rate wonderful thing happening here were these massive hospitals and clinics billings are being staffed by this particular aspect migration group and it is led increasingly leaving black's becoming the technicians moving on from there and the only area highly skilled there is interesting moving on from there and the medicine and it or does one of the great openers and one of the gray areas of stability for the future of this city and other cities too now you're a very silly was this history of ethnic groups competing with each

other and often in conflict in your turn you know and the kevyn orr the butt of many ethnic conflicts i think of the centralization struggle for example is an ethnic racial conflict among other things you are not your self identified or a member of any one of these ethnic groups to what we live that great silent minority majority a white anglo saxon protestant jewish italian puerto rican legal leg you are now requiring new york city and the group of you wish to god as eleven percent vote about how do you resolve the the ethnic conflicts that are brought to your doorstep didn't do well i do i prefer another thing in ethnic terms

no i don't like it that said it's a reality and it's the reality i had never i never like thinking in ethnic terms but i mean the fact of matter is that my job is to be the mayor of all people and let us or to do their other super world but one way the other about the relative merits of that success as a gaze baby but anyway that's as i say it i know that you are required to placate the one on all of these groups at various times if you make a decision which a jewish group i would think would be too pro puerto rican or negro it required just thought about that and i think when i you know i can say it and that fashion i as i said earlier what has to be done is still is this to lead to be innovative to bring about change for change is needed and to try to communicate and educate in the process and abilities such fashion that there's fair treatment

for all that in the obviously that's not easy to see their clothes without but you know it's over there it's got to be said that to we have made the effort to lead programs to develop them in the movement and then in the last analysis says got to baby the business of government if it's going to be a government at a time of history that is out in front and you cannot sweep all the singer robin you cannot there's no such thing as standing still knew it was chairman of the kerner commission and the outstanding thing about the commission was that it said rather bluntly that the racism was the basic problem in american society and i presume also american cities and that isis it was moving too rapidly for comfort towards two societies one black one white i notice that recently the kerner commission came up

with a yeah after report would suggest that the reagan pulled racial polarization increasing guest is actually accidentally commission i came up alert where they are an evaluation it was just a commission there are a group of people who were assigned to those who work or outside of a critical mission where they represented there its aspects of of life in united states and others crowd that came forward with england's new year after the kerner report that america was still listed on the state of our probably increasing polarization from east coast to west coast from off the south and parents and most especially in the urban centers and this is a handle some of this was increasingly on the rise in suburbia i mean this is this i think it's probably over accurate

evaluation of the situation that exists in the united states and it is one that that has to be dealt with some matter it a very grave concern about these this group of evaluate has pointed out that quite little haven't done since the kerner commission report by way of concrete positive programs designed to attack the problem and i think that's true in a hand on the other hand it may be that that were going through a period of time of when none out of which can come some some new attitudes you get to a point where this work there's only one thing to do and that syrup and that's to work to come together again now this not require commitment as i said earlier on the part of the country and the it's going to require some very difficult decisions on the part of the gunman in washington an all state governments in a local governments and all private people individuals

with scientists today are likely to the type of commitment with pj would be necessary part of a federal government in washington the next administration to deal with the what seemed me to be the electrical problem of race now stability of our cities well hard to it's hard to tell of we have not yet seen a development of problematic systems we're not the congress has not been on the receiving end of other ideas for the development of a vague a different society in escondido so one society role of a split society and i make sure that the administration in washington is working overtime on this question to see how with our structure legislation that makes sense i have i think the governor was very sensitive conscious of the problem they have better communication with this administration

your sense inverted communication as good communication it's a different it's a it's a different administration so it's hard to compare really in many ways the women in alaska six months to year the johnson illustration live in iraq so he was treated very generous i have no complaint received eighty three million dollars and they were real farms which is that both massive grant in modern times an example kelley another sixty five million and reservation in most cities money which was a very generous allocation to i have no look like they're really on the specifics of the administration to another illustration there is good communication with the cabinet with the white house so far as i'm concerned and i know that you now live they know how much trouble the country's in and that's half the battle that's a very specific things i think has to have it have to be dawn that's going to get specific because a conversation like this can get too

fuzzy the welfare system so this has got to be this has got to baby lay your area i think of the first attack by the administration in washington to relieve the pressures of the senate this cannot be handled by any single county in the first place or were too hidebound or with the rules and regulations it's too difficult to change it we can't give eighties new york about the welfare caseload yet fact we can do nothing about it that we're guided by federal laws to who goes on welfare and doesn't let iraqi people out of the artist it's a national problem it's one of the red migration california's that the biggest burden at the moment more than they are because the migration has hit west very rapidly and california has not on the migration of the poor but the migration of the retired the old and literal travels the job it being so big nba now suburban problem also and still a lot of

migration and he's got to be at all on a national basis there must be uniform standards his near uniform as you can produce it must be funded the national in federal way because it said that well if one could point to a single area that would release them pressure i would point to this one on these localities now adapt to the system as the kerner commission pointed out that the system is not only costly and therefore bankrupt but its no but it keeps people trapped in the cycle of dependency it encourages illegitimacy it to get it to reduce his dignity and therefore whatever federal national approaches adopted has got to be such as they overhaul a approach to it same time and that can be done in fact as to nixon appointed a task force that was a distinguished group headed by dr

mason of columbia dr ginsburg the ministry of human resources administration europe was a member of it and others and came up with a series of recommendation to the government they're perfectly sound and that represents i think the basis for a national problem as claire you are so knowledgeable are cities in the spirit of who made it can save your voluntarily not continuing in some way your involvement with you save yourself and features arias york city is concerned well i don't know can the first voice we'll have to make fairly soon because reelection year an ambient and the primary primary date set for choosing of candidates is quite early hits and in the middle of june and i still have to make a decision on the family's

soon as well and i stand for reelection from there boston is you obviously for collection of reasons your decision the greenwich families major problems are not so naturally naturally added was on tablets and judge mr levinson and always there as to where you can have the most impact and getting paler other people to wake up to the fact that there is an urban problem some areas have been the scourged other business in part because they do not think that the federal and state governments are really prepared to do something about clothes my friend ivan allen from atlanta i think one of the great players of all times an avid saved a sadness to the country of a vintage decided that they that the country is cut personal reasons to obviously that part of his problem is that he is he like a great many other mayors is of the view that job but now the

federal government state governments are going to get rid of the compound you know i'll come back to question i asked earlier why does anyone run the mayor of any large city and then enjoy the hair shirt and maybe there's always that human optimism that maybe some of the outlines of scenes of the people are under some people like the action you know another's don't they really i'm not a born here much like hero works on the other hand there are a lot of people do who's honshu whose urges khaled mind and world war two and spent three years in combat that would be a tax it was a preference i did not want to be in the front lines i want to be in the front end and back was a woman in the front lines

and that wasn't because of any heroics is is because i am wouldn't i would rather see what comes out of the end of the pipeline role in the stuffing stuff in the pipeline and a i found that in the congress that enjoyable and as productive as i found it and i thoroughly enjoyed seven years in the house of representatives like i found addictive they've even know that even though it was action oriented to some extent it's that still wasn't really the frontlines now these front lines are a little too hot at times because really blistering a no it's a it's too easy to sail would there be some peace and quiet because it's not going to be peace and quiet in this country as long as we have in all of the cities across the land and underemployment rate of thirty percent in the

big cities that's bad and as long as we have in all of the big cities school systems where in disadvantaged communities the dropout rate is over fifty percent and eighty percent of the angst is an ongoing on a high school which is true all big cities the district of columbia which of his comeback from as the worst problem of oil is the nation's capital right in the center of things and things are not going to win even though there have not been are really earth shaking a comic proportion right since the summer of sixty seven when we was on a summer for last when we had twenty five major riots and which parts of whole cities burned to the ground since then we've had we've had the greater quantity of urban civil disturbance is that we even have that again no new york

fortunately has been spared this kind of fire bombing technique called but nevertheless something's wrong and one has to understand that and you just cannot you just cannot run away from or for someone who voluntarily chose combat and someone who is what we met a vital world flat really exposed mayor mostly and i cannot conceal any warrant intent series of problems a new ad during her first term as mayor is my hunch that you will not seek the peace and quiet less exposed area public service thank you very much no no