An hour with Susan Estrich

what's at stake in the two thousand eight presidential election with the nation's still trying to sort out the collapse of many of our financial institutions two presidential candidates with very different views on the war in iraq and on the eve of the wedding either our first african american president for our first female vice president and many would say that the stakes couldn't be higher i'm j mcintyre and today and take your present we posed that question to a woman who has been called one of the most influential public intellectuals of the century susan estrich is a professor of law and political science at the university of southern california she's also the first woman to run a national presidential campaign managing the campaign of democratic nominee michael dukakis in nineteen eighty eight he's a frequent commentator on fox news and has authored several books including a case for hillary clinton she spoke it would hurt auditorium at the university of kansas sponsored by the hall center for the humanities she's questioned by a

panel of warhol center scholars that the brand of that jolt burnett katie over valor and dan thomson all began with a question about obama's campaign how big of a factor is obama's race in this campaign i love it when people stop an easy one i would say the answer to that one is picked the only question is how do you know if you say people in polls are you willing to vote for a black for president what is the correct answer yes now what's stunning is going what the correct answer is they usually go into effect i'll other thing is to be what i'm assuming is of your own party and he's fully qualified and has the requisite experience are you willing to vote for a black president that's not yet a hundred

percent right there are someday pope who will actually tell you that they're not willing to vote for a black for president and that's usually in the five to ten percent rate but every pollster rhino assumes at bath underestimated the real number so what i asked i don't ask if you are willing to go i ask about your friend's family and relatives i accept the euro iran and prejudiced person so the way as if that will put your not by boat what percent of your friends family wealth do you think that would be and willing to vote for a black for president and you are likely to get an exit closer

to thirty percent does that actually me that thirty percent of all americans will not vote for brock obama because of his race and secondarily how many of those people one the voting for many the real impact of race is going to be how many of the swing voters in the swing states who quo shouldn't be voting democrat based on their path history of voting democrat they found their economic situation based on their positions on issues we'll catch history or just my view obama differently because of his race and one of the things i have learned over the years and i've been a student of discrimination particularly gender discrimination that off to race

discrimination is the kind of discrimination barry knew people walk into the voting booth and that i'm leaving my country are qualified they should be in the kitchen three years ago they said that they don't think that much anymore what's more likely to happen now if they are evaluating qualifications in listening to what a person that's just that in deciding the way think of prisons experienced enough of the job people applying different standards for men i think it up with her enough that when i first became a professor at harvard law school at a i was the only woman in the race and i went to my first back in the evolving

esteemed people who i have had professors and that it was what do we need to regroup for the bat it was one of the funniest experience i've ever had with every single person in the room with a phd would literally raise their hand and say what we need are more people with a phd all the people who had like corporate law theory the supreme court were to say what we really need to find our more people who've done really well in law school and of clerks of the supreme court and at harvard i when it was finally my turn i raise my head and i think what we really need to find joined the faculty are more women what was clear was that every one of us

have looked in the mirror i describe yourself people have attended the late today that the most qualified person is someone who looks very much like that and so the question on obama right now is that nobody the validity than that day i'm not voting for obama because he's black the question is one of how many people are unconsciously holding him to a different or higher standard realistically because he thought i need to know how many people are lying to the pollsters and say i'm for obama when you know darn well they're going to vote for mccain one of the things that troubles me as they look at the polls there's really two questions one is do they have the universe right but the other question is i don't know myself a

single soul who is publicly for mccain but when asked about for about but i unfortunately you know many people who have to ask them will set one up and i know darn well they're planning to vote for mccain so the long answer your question is we won't know till election day how being attacked are ethan and was that anybody who doesn't think it's a significant factor lives in a different place than it i'm a question about john mccain's ticket sarah palin senate has cast a shadow of the collection and some say that it's revitalized the republican campaign but i do i wonder what other choices john mccain has made that is that have helped his campaign that were not focusing on because sarah palin has taken up so much of the media right now

one measure would add the truth is he's made it helped his campaign i think he was running a lousy campaign and me and you and they tend to rely on my democratic friends and they were feeling very confident they think he's really running a terrible campaign and i think they spent twenty eight years of experience they always get back and attacks so i think even before paleo either the honeybees saw the sort of strain of that did around the rock obama is the one and the messiah and i am the one thing that does the one hand he's a celebrity i think that was very clever of mccain and they're caught the thursday night of the democratic convention by saying in effect we all know he's a rockstar we don't know he's a celebrity that's what he does why should we be impressed by that very mr rock

star what has that got to do with over your problems like that that was the very first affected negative sort of the campaign was mccain turning obama into a celebrity rock stars as opposed to an experienced leader but make no mistake about the joys of pavement has really worked well for mccain now maybe it hurt mccain had picked a woman i said something which i will not repeat here because the taping for radio and the reason i said that was because they knew the choices that would accomplish at least a couple of the worst the obama convention bounce any less than twenty four hours after the convention with over who was talking about obama on new on that right now but who

with it but the effect been around joe biden well but everybody was talking about therapy and it absolutely cut off whatever happened thursday night as they set nj there's the night and by friday it with all about pain the second they pay leaked it was energized the base of the republican party which was nap in love with john mccain they can't really they were going to vote for the rapper bow but it maybe they were that only a few you were follow hockey give a little less money they're a little less rational and sean hannity and the religious right their salvation in therapy and the fact that mccain picture made them feel better about mccain that

happened and the one that was really the most troubling to me because it felt from my perspective like a self inflicted wound was what my democratic and liberal media friends could not resist do it now the first thing i did when i heard the name sarah palin was as this is where i started in politics research i got water her positions on critical issues i care about and i found for example if she didn't need support right to abortion in cases of rape or incest or rape survivor i find that shall we say a bear we probably position very troubling its code it a night so when i say

i'm deeply troubled it made flight i'd like to kill your bottom within the life so the first thing i think it was you know it's a historic moment for the republican party but i am deeply troubled i found a lot of her positions on the issues and their potential impact all women anger i'm fitting to make in this case and i want to know these guys on tv and looking at the blogs and they're going after two female and one absolutely transparent leaf like this right is the baby rally hearts or is that her daughter's what china mother has a teenage daughter who's pregnant had a mother of a teenager told elaine may i my favorite

that came over the weekend was one liberal commentator who shall remain nameless who suggested that maybe you think i've never had children that maybe the adequate prenatal care she received in her final pregnancy and or actually lying in the seventh month of pregnancy something i'll maybe dead because of the down syndrome hi thanks in most of these guys going to do if they are out of the air you excuse my french mocks at what they managed to do this was an obama per se i mean obama himself stood up and said my mother had me when she was at that was cut but he didn't stand up and condemn everything that was happening around them and exceed that bubbling up and he became the ammunition conservatives used to

pound the liberal media to convince women in particular many of whom were still wrestling at what they perceive as a sexist treatment of hillary clinton that here we got what they are doing to sarah kaler what they did to hillary questioning her as a woman single mother has no right to this high office they turned her into a symbol of something she yes that i worked if you look at the numbers she managed to attract to the mccain ticket natalie the uk was yet some of the religious right but a lot of interests from disappointed and disaffected women over forty who could identify with or not they agreed with her on any issue but because of the absolutely safest way

in which he was being treated by seemed like everybody and ideas will include this became clear i should say this is a disaster go after her on the issues don't challenger as a mother you will make arrests euro to win that at last weekend with a deformity with fake with two liberal journalist thinks the force of a bomb and i don't think one stop talking about my first problem was hanging it's not going to win or lose this election you guys gonna be focused on mccain and the economy that's the message but my second problem was one of them refer to her as governor did it and the other party and many case said that all the festive griffith and disappear because what the women in the audience heard was there be little her at the one and i think that both in the

film you were like candy the ammunition to be always and there is there was a we call man named skip i think yes but when you call bill clinton flipped well a half of the population does not connect and the way and say well you know we've been excluded from high office for you know two hundred years it's a wide have a column what so i think the bottom line is painting was a growing threat she has helped mccain the kkk twenty people together with any get fifty thousand mccain would be reduced to doing down diners like the lowest level of political campaign you know and gave him a very very lurid i read the other day where you are is the cherry pie nail it has energized it

but she's also helped him enormously among women voters and for good solid two weeks until lehman brothers aig fannie and freddie to get the conversation back to the economy and if obama's going away the economy the economy he's a lipstick on a blank yet an intentional with what you just said about the economy mccain has said that we're in tough economic times but the fundamentals are sound and as our economy and obama's newest contrast to say the least and i'm wondering what we might expect economically in the next four years if mccain selected possible women expect if obama was hitting questions that those guys didn't have answered and they want the case but obama has said is basically this is a

really terrible thing and the republicans are responsible and we're going to have to deal with it and frankly i will be if the senate on friday so i will be voting what mccain is set in a fire chris cox that one it or i like the fifth nobody who we rescue should make more than the present united states can imagine the guys at lehman brothers cut four hundred thousand dollars of their second year out of business or fabric but to be perfectly honest and i try to be honest i defy anyone other than their official spokespeople on television to tell me the three point plan or the four point plan that either mccain or obama has to deal with the

situation i don't have one either so i'm not saying it's easy and george bush for better or for worse is that a final moment in the sun but there are not a lot of good answers on the spot and part of the reason those of you who are democrats and i have been having this fight for a good twenty years about campaign finance at campaign finance as an extremely boring processed fish and it's usually very hard to get people energized about campaign finance but the reality is that the way the banking industry that the regulation with not just by giving money to republicans they gave monnett about that when you have an arms race for money in politics nobody in the queen when you have to raise the kind of money politicians raise they take it from everybody any time

with their hands when it comes to dealing with important issues chris dodd is the chairman of the senate banking committee he is received more money from officials of fannie and freddie as we now refer to them so partly than any other member of the united states that what he's on a sack or rock obama one of his top fundraisers was jimmie johnson the former head of the family and one of his top advisor used was frank race who replaced jim johnson after the what even is that both of these guys have been in wall street almost as many times as they've been in hollywood to collect change we had a fundraiser in we had a fundraiser and nothin just last week for obama was twenty eight thousand five hundred dollars for

dinner at five o'clock how many people in this room can afford to pay twenty eight thousand five hundred dollars for dinner at five o'clock no less per person one goes to be that that normal people do not go out and the ralston talk about obama's internet base he has been out there raising money on wall street just like mccain and the result is that what's the mine way you think it should be a democratic issue i mean we hear are these guys who were making millions of dollars a year who wanted to make more that wasn't enough so they convinced the government to loosen regulations so they could buy a very risky financial instruments which you yell at least temporarily gonna fall and they wanted the rescue

i got a brother who's got real trouble credit card rapping hold prizes potential for closure now it is rescuing again maddie this really i mean a few main street now on wall street but both democrats and republicans are frankly compromise on this subject by the fact that we told the the same trap and ed at the same trial comes back to bite you i mean i would let the figure unlike and fates will the republicans fall but bill clinton signed the bill that the regulated big aspects of the banking industry and he had a lot of support and money coming from wall street and obama's got a lot of money and support coming from wall street and the case got a lot of money

and support coming from wall street and the list of i have to say utterly horrified as i was driving before that and listening to an interview with newt gingrich to find myself agree with them have that to myself what is going on in the worlds then with the only honest nation and tomorrow is gingrich and he would say what i would do in bailing out wall street now while getting out of this why should the american taxpayer go about a million dollars more into debt when lehman is due a multimillion dollar bonuses and i'm driving my car say so i think he's not running for office in iraq

when to change the subject a little bit i was wondering what is your opinion of the electoral college and how will play out in this election you know when i lived in new england i hated the weather but you could do two things about you can curse the weather eva bahrain boats and my daughter just moved to new england i advised rain boots would any rational person to get particularly one like me who lives in california to come up with the electoral college i wouldn't know i mean the reality of the electoral college if you go to the real clear politics dot com and click on the electoral map what a stunning is how much of it is already filled and you guys a red hair a ufo soaring if mccain

did not win can fix but the scouts when i was about to start right there i live in california i look if obama kidnapped when california he is bart talks the reality of the situation is you look at the electoral map you take three quarters of the country and eliminate you can calorie did before you know who the candidate these in this state the worst democrats have to win and probably well and is in the state the worst republican half the rent and probably well and if they can't win these days only mean they'll be academics in the near future so the whole battle becomes a

bite for less than a dozen skits laughs actually people here vote in ohio florida honeybee billion vote in ohio don't know who they're going to vote for it's not just him battle for voters in ohio eighty percent of the voters in ohio but clearly you to included i already know who they're going to vote for about half of them make a constraint the lower for mccain about half of them make it his name nomo for obama this election is about how the swing voters in swing states which excludes all about why should that determine who's president here we get a

bunch of people basically wipe the least interested in politics of everyone we know who just so happened to live in ohio pennsylvania you know colorado nevada new mexico i mean walker they're still watching baseball in iran there's still waiting as i do every year the who's in the world series and then i get out my captain paul world fear is that the affair that if you're watching baseball and those people decide elections it but it's like cursing the french i mean i teach constitutional law is anybody going to change the electoral system not because what would it take to change the electoral system you have to get all these small state who are disproportionately important i would get ignored otherwise when everybody came to california to wrap up the popular vote and you have

to get them to approve a constitutional change of a gun to do it now i would bet the result is that you guess and i will not see a single political ad this year and the only way you have a better them at it i had to see the candidate if they come in like a vacuum cleaner i should note that big issue here is the money and leave it you know in general in california the deep field between las in beverly hills on a friday night i can buy this both candidates really a lot of the money so they come to california but they only come to look for money you won't see anybody know if obama shows up in kansas the question will be what your plane needed to land on in emergencies the changes that the answers the question will be

and meanwhile in my life i have to say i have spent so much time in ohio that i could still be registered to vote there based on the amount of damage that i'm curious what swing states that will be crucial and deciding the selection the usual isn't dead were theories here is the ohio near the ohio theory goes something like this if obama can win every state they carry one and just you are a little bit better in ohio the way then there's the an ohio theory which is obama doesn't need to win ohio if he can win colorado nevada and new mexico

obama constantly pennsylvania florida i have to tell you it's like a black hole at the president wants her to re ignite into thousand my mother mei she writes i think he's probably an election day and to be honest my money for coal law and election day is usually a fairly busy day for me and so i did and promptly return my mother's photo so she called again and he said to my secretary teller it's very important i think that i think that maybe he's sent this video he said he's not upset but it's very important that what could be important and thought hmm to make a long story short he did not speak to my mother until

that night and she was very concerned he left me a message late today she said you've got to call me i think what is that she says you've got to call al gore you know maybe go to jail because they are waiting to hear from the opposition they say my conversation with my mother i why am i think with top al gore or both she says well something has happened i sat her she says some of the ladies in my kind of many i'm really look concerns about alabama i think what happened she's there will of course i would never make the fifth day which means i make this mistake but it was very confusing the ballot and very hard to rate some of the vocal he say well not

at but some of my friends wanted me to college so you could sell out or that they might have voted for pat buchanan by the fdic so i think that my mother didn't words he never let me forget as the mother you play seven days to come down to the two thousand election is not going to be defined buy it was the ladies room at a local and now that evidence based way out more and pat buchanan on the bat nice ad where my mother palm beach county florida it was exactly in her hand and then you are a place they probably are about it

that was one of the ones he probably lead issues that you're on how that will know so you know i don't pretend to know much anymore according to my mother's reckoning i was responsible maybe for nine eleven definitely for the iraqi war certainly the justices alito and roberts let alone global warming all because again he was right i should have called al gore and told them there with the problem of the bounce in lake worth florida anyway i feel relieved the florist tough i think ohio will be about how i would be lying to you if i didn't tell you i am worried from the democratic point of view it was concern about whether

white working class lunch bucket democrats and married women over forty will go a baroque obama i had a funny experience some years ago when i was writing the book the case for hillary clinton this before obama got the picture it was actually well hillary was running for senate and there was a rule in her campaign she announced a stroll no one has to talk about anything related to the president so why make some cost of the women who were working for her who used to work for me and i said look at the ninth stories baby showers here now we would be happy to do it but we are not allowed to talk to anybody that i wanna know about baby showers if that i think how about what her electoral strategy would be they hang up a thought i thought i'm getting nowhere you need

somebody to tell me how you think of that thing out and no one from the clinton even good in operation will talk and i think that has got to be a way to get this kind of information i called the former president he said what any of the vote nobody will talk to me so i have just one little question i decided not to waste baby showers how does hilary with he's our eye and he started going to a congressional district by congressional district in ohio with and what kerry's margin of loss was among white married women over forty and he said to me anyhow it down and they never have are i think i know partly the congressional district by congressional district and cuyahoga county know and he had it down his theory was that hillary would when i doing better with white married women over

forty pretty good theory i use in the book i don't know if that's obama's recipe for success that's part of the tail and prop the neediest part of a race problem the problem in colorado and new mexico ms willis panic voters vote for obama and that's a different piece of the race question and i think that a separate rhapsody you know the two candidates in both absolutely in the gutter with the most you know they come pants on fire rats with a completely lie about the other one well while our pants on fire are the atom or any way obama's appearance on fire at is in spanish attacking mccain as being against all immigrants

but not really right amidst some point mccain wants his base is completely secure is going to stand up and remind people that he stood up with a candidate to fight against the leaders of this party for immigration reform and that might help ann leary is between the african american and hispanic community in many ways and that's just a reality so if he'll be the usual swing state within the lights went out in the florida ohio there will look at the map again and will say well how that aisle which is now fleeing obama nevada colorado and new mexico and some combination of those states will decide the election but it will be us in california and it will be when he says i don't know what your opinion is what the

ramifications will be for women in politics of sara taylor selected and what ramifications will there be if she is an object well it's a really hard one i wrote a whole book about how important it would be for women it's hillary were selected because i put nothing would shake things up more in this country then the legacy of a woman who was committed to the progressive policies to advance women for the president's i don't think say repeal it would describe herself as a woman who is committed to progressive policies to advance well so what does it mean you were like a woman who won one theme

finns for a very positive idea that you could be a wife and mother that you could have five children that he can pursue your ambitions they even get to the top that's a pretty powerful message on the one thing and the other once at the top for what i see as a positive agenda for women's rights and women's equality so what it had that had he had got a woman a woman who was a leader or you've got a token who was used the manipulation went into supporting a candidate who may not stand for the issues they believed so i think it's very tricky

r o it will certainly be sold particularly by the republicans if he wins as a historic moment for women and their historic firsts for women but i'll be you know just be a line dig very hard to support a person who doesn't believe that a rape victim should be able to have control of her own body that is you know we all have our fundamental issues and if the rape victim my felt that a real fundamental one for me so i don't know i think of mccain and pale in their elected and obama loses hillary will run in four years and i will have a woman i can

support but i have tried very hard but because i think it is the bear thing to do and also because i think it is the smart thing to get to avoid anything remotely resembling a sexist attacks on payola that criticizes her as a mother in that criticize her ambition or her choices to stay away from going after her husband and to stick with the issues and i think that we have to approach as a former supreme court law clerk on in your opinion how important is the selection of the next two supreme court justices and i'm always good this election changed the dynamics of the court depending on who is elected to be honest i think two things i'm a law professor i'm a former supreme court clerk it to the face this every day how

important is the court incredibly important might not be important to those of us who were you know white well off and well connected but it's very important to large numbers of people in this country who were the objects of illegal eavesdropping by wiretaps very important to young and poor women who don't have access to abortion there's a whole range of issues on which the supreme court will make critical decisions i have a picture hanging in my office at home of the supreme court when eichler there signed by justice and my boss is the only one who still off from that picture it's really weird and i look at it and he was then my age now i don't know how much longer he can hold on

but the reality of the situation is that the replacements are likely to come among the moderates and liberals on the court not the conservatives something that like the court would just stay the same you would seek liberals and moderates and i should that i put the justice stevens he was a ford appointed i almost didn't apply to protect it with a little bit conservative he's now the most liberal member of the court he will tell you that he hasn't changed at all everybody out we're four present for presidential campaigns and i have yet to see a presidential campaign that succeeds in turning the court into a voting issue people just don't vote i have pulled it up but wants to looking for a way to frame the issue

said the people will make that wage and between how white vote now determine not only the supreme court but off federal courts though the next twenty thirty forty years you contrive fifty different ways you tell people all the consequences at the end you say there is this if i can give you a few you've got about four now susan would you share your views of the health care policies and likely practices of the candidates as you see it how many of you have ever tried to go out by an individual health care plan summed up how many of you have failed i went out a few years ago i had the same woman take care of my children for twenty years until finally a successful working woman i'll find a great babysitter who's web for a long time the way my babysitter

did not have health insurance and i said to her in a certain point you have to have health insurance i'm going to get your health insurance i thought this would be not so far she was about fifty at the time she had no serious health the only reason i wanted to get her health insurance was because i was concerned that in the future as she was getting older if something should happen to her where if she should get sick frankly i would feel responsible and i didn't want a second the county's does she get turned down i've virtually every private insurance company in california write it because she had a pre existing condition of cast rights regular guest right to says tariffs he is

it was a story i don't hear an image i have to pay a thing did not at a prison with guest writers she had to be six month three gastritis void they will take their health insurance i can do it so she had to chose you because you didn't know perhaps that the six months of the difficulties of the samba world that i will pay any amount and finally we drive through permanente the hmo and they took it and at the time she sits in the get me a policy with a big deductibles were really only concerned about the innocent catastrophic like better policy without a detectable but admits she'd freak within a few years she developed and other serious condition early off your breath by one athlete resilient but everybody's

got early osteoporosis the pew survey we did know just we couldn't scrape so we have to wait until he had full blown off the operative now we know because we screen and you take a pill once a month and then you don't get off your breath i think she said to me i really would like to get out a kaiser i try to cross again they lacked me out the door they fit a person with early october roses and that's right so then i went back and i think i would at least like to improve the play because she's getting a little older she feels badly every time he goes to the doctor because she feels like for the first thousand or whatever it is i have to pay that because i would like you to get like one of these thirty dollars co pay plans so he can go as much as he needs to thirty dollars through the region in tight we feel the old field we could

change the plan within i think i get this thing back in the mail you have been denying the changing the plant i thought if they don't you realize she is both gastritis and early onset osteoporosis she had a little bit of high blood pressure everybody liked the issues she takes the pill if you know we're not expecting any new people who were on regular prescription medication i'm not going to ask but if anybody in this room over about forty five who was not on some form a regular prescription medication i write to lima to do about love to do with the polling is there are some of us some of us get the best health care in the world if you are really lucky and you have good insurance or a little extra money to pay co

pays you can get the best health care in the world here in the united states but the gap between the people who get the best health care in the world and the people who have no access to healthcare is to make a national disgrace and i frankly think that mccain's plan which is basically said to me but fire insurance on the market i want to say don't you know i was willing to pay whatever you call it can't only so i think properly framed health care should be a major an important issue in the campaign and what i worry about right now and this baby take suspects in the beginning is the impact of this financial crisis is going to lead to a new round of questions every time in particular obama proposes an effect

the question will now be how are you going to pay for it with another trillion dollars in debt on top of what we've already thought how much will you raise taxes by to pay for i was in the month up to him and i can only tell you one of the lessons of that campaign is well it was certainly true that sort of famous line that whoever is the next president of the united states will raise your he won't tell you i just it probably everybody heard that line and they said it's probably true that whoever is the next president will raise our taxes but the fact that you just told us so that you're gonna raise some even more so they were really very much that any insurer and healthcare which involves

raising taxes is now going to be a popular anthem final question that's as firmly university this is a bubble at apple question lot has been made of obama's connection with young voters do you think young voters will turn out in numbers to be a factor in this election and if so far they've polled well with only cell phones in orlando yet they both of them they are both of here's the bad news there were tell everybody in the room they do profile fights i i don't have a sense unless the other people of that all the polls are our uncles they don't call cell phones alerts that we're only so you know i hope so i'd like to see i hope so but because personally i'd like to see obama do well but also i think young people should cut and the reason social security and medicare are sacrosanct in this country is because all people

vote the reason children don't get health care in this country and college loans get cut at federal funds to higher education often are vulnerable because young people don't bow i just thank god knows how many years trying to encourage young people to buy up i can only tell you that you did in my consistent experience every four years as a democrat that we say will go on and wage a major campaign to get young people about and then as i was telling the story or later somebody i had be an opportunity mixing to run get out the vote and a county back in nineteen eighty ambulances going in the polling places i think i have the buses to the condos they feel that it is a more broth it as the paramedics did pay

paul we're not gonna miss about now what fortunately some of them like my mother couldn't vote right but at least they about it has been my experience over the years i would be nothing would really more both because i happen to be a democrat who was a matter of principle because they believe you know i believe in civic participation at our universities where you teach sivak literacy i mean we would never consider graduating as the guy who didn't know how to use the computer we graduate students who had no idea how to function in a political war you know i once said none of our students know how to move a stop sign and somebody raises their hand of the book it's stuff in the ground that i didn't mean it moved to stop that

get it both men get the hostages that then like move without a sign that moment itself so i'm careful with that when i would love to see the buses go up i would love to three young people poured at the polls but in all my years i've been telling pollsters that nursing home i've been filling buffett's the thing is that if the senators i've been filling boxes in our appetite and that many addicts and they have never appealed in colleges and universities so maybe obama can make that difference but we didn't see it that much in the primaries we really didn't we were obama beat hillary was in caucus states where it's all about organization a very small percentage of the voters come out i mean that's just the

reality we did not threatening california or ohio texas we did back in the primaries see huge numbers of young people will we see them this time i hope so but i wouldn't let the election allows her over time to forgo i want to sign up they are four holes and the solace the promotional also very very humorous you've been listening to things and castration the first woman to manage a presidential campaign she was watching by warhol center undergraduates dollars that a brand of pants jolt burnett katie over feller and dan thompson it was sponsored by the hall center for the humanities at the university of kansas was

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